yep... 12 minutes lost to a stupid fucking moron with no sense of how the world works. I bet the dumb bitch doesnt even know about 9/11/ wat a moron. LOL
What a beautiful person in touch with emotions changing them in others for the better. I find this very rich, thank you for sharing the perception and making me aware.
Before the developed world can take a stance on torture, we need to prosecute those responsible for torturing prisoners of the American government. George Bush Junior comes to mind, and a few others in his administration.
i have a better solution to you , eliminate the need for lawyers by educating the public on the laws that they are governed by , and eliminating the notion of precedence , that each case should be judged on its own merit and not how some other case that was kinda like your own but not quite. If everyone is a lawyer then its much more fair isnt it
Homosexual activists understand the power of words.
Please visit my channel to watch a one-minute video clip in which popular atheist author Richard Dawkins admits that homosexual activists "hijacked the word 'gay'".
The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate because it, unlike the word "gay", actually describes the behavior/attraction/relationship being discussed.
The word "gay" helps homosexual activists push their agenda.
There have been many words that started out as a euphemism or pejorative which have been adopted by the people they were used against, and turned into something neutral or even positive. They wouldn't be using the term 'gay' if it wasn't first used by bigots like you apparently are.
ok great..start with USA..others will follow. torture is practiced systematically in ALL countries but America and Israel do it viciously and publicly and yet they keep accusing other countries of violation of human rights. sigh
Yeah, hassle the "93 countries" because they're poor and stupid and need us to come in and tell them how to run things because we know better. How about cleaning up our own house first? The onus of proof is on defendants to show innocence beyond reasonable doubt rather than, as it should be, on the state to demonstrate guilt beyond reasonable doubt.
Torture is practiced by most countries in the world, maybe with the exception of nordic european countries. Before Bush torture was practiced by the US as is by most democratic countries in secret. Now the US practices torture in the open, and since Obama it also assassinates citizens, dismissing the rule of law and replacing it by the rule of exception making us all complicit of crimes against humanity.
@mohamedgna The reason behind Obama ordering the assassination of US citizens is the logic of exception that Bush previously and Obama now promote, this logic dictates that under exceptional circumstances the rule of law can be sidestepped and the president can order the assassination of anyone he pleases. This development is in fact a betrayal of the social contract established between the individual and society in all democratic countries, to wit: the respect and protection of human dignity.
@TheOzomahtli so it's basically disregarding a system that works to a certain extent to increase the powers of the president. but aren't laws put for the same reason this idea is being promoted, I mean the patriot act shitty as it is in its disregard of human rights, it sets a standard by which human rights can be disregarded in the interest of defending the nation and its people from terrorism, but this is just giving the president absolute power which is even more unconstitutional.
I find myself often getting overwhelmed with the numerous problems of the world, wishing there was some singular perfect solution to it all, and it often seems like there is because I can imagine a world without these problems. Of the notions of solutions which I can muster there is always a massive overturning of a complex system. This I find is a problem in of itself, because it prevents people from wanting to do the one thing they know they can do about a problem.
@dookiecheez "Complex systems" have been overturned many times, only to be replaced by another complex one. But I agree with your sentiment. I think this talk shows real change happens from the ground up, rather than the top down. And it will always be a work in progress. This is one of the best TED talks as well as Alberto Cairo's talk, very inspiring amazing people.
FACT: Prison itself is torture. Doesn't matter if prison guards never physically touch the prisoner: more than 10 years confined in prison is hell on earth. Soldiers in war are crybabies by comparison: a quick violent death is nothing compared to dragged out prison sentences.
Especially so when the prison term entails widespread physical and sexual abuse by fellow inmates with no effective intervention by guards. Or when no serious attempt is made to provide the education, counseling, and social work necessary to help the inmates avoid returning to prison after they are released.
For the last damn time people: TORTURE IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE AND INEFFECTIVE! Think about this for two seconds and its obvious. If you harm someone repeatedly, they will say whatever they have to to get you to stop, and whether or not what they say is true, accurate, etc is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS MAKING THE PAIN STOP.
@ciplogic That's not an easy solution because very few governments lack the corruption to even do something like that. As for individuals themselves choosing not to trade with another country, it would be difficult to convince every individual to do such a thing, and a black market would surely occur if it was illegalized.
That's why we still can't call ourselves a civilization. If we can't deal with these issues, might just as well leave everything for some Messiah to sort out? Fortunately, there are people out there that think differently and do what they can to make many things happen;-)
Scenario: There are ten people. Nine are innocent, one knows information. That information could save thousands of lives. You could get the information by torturing the ten people. What do you do? Does committing a lesser evil to prevent a greater one justify it? Or is principle more important than practicality?
@Tyneras But there can be gain. They follow up on all of the leads and one of them ends up saving lives. This is just a hypothetical situation. Torture, like many things in the world, is never black and white. I'm not justifying torture or cruel and unusual punishments on any human beings, I just don't think you can quantify things so simply as some people think. So long as humans desire power, they will use the harm of others to solidify the foundations of their empires.
@knucklez2 Remember, you have 9 people who CANT tell the truth (because "I'm innocent!" is assumed to be a lie if you're torturing them) and one person who will be giving you false leads or wild stories. You're going to have to torture all 10 people for a long, long time, and may never actually get anything. You'd be better off buying more spy drones and drafting people to put more soldiers on the streets. You can be turned in as a terrorist because your neighbor doesn't like you.
@knucklez2 Why would someone tell you the truth because you're pouring water down their throat? Doesn't it make sense that they'd say what they think you want to hear so you'll stop hurting them? You make no sense. Beyond that, how is harming the other nine to supposedly get a confession out of number ten even remotely ethical?
@Raithulu Ethics are subjective. And you underestimate the power torture can have over someone's mind. Torturers don't simply harm someone and stop when information is given. It's a precise, systematic process to discover information from their prisoner. What about the torture of someone who is a known terrorist? Would you accept that? After all, to another person that terrorist may be their freedom fighter. There's a reason people are tortured today. It's because torture is effective.
The problem with the ticking time bomb scenario is that you already have to know the information you are trying to extract in order to know who to extract it from. It's logically absurd, and every attempt to defend it is morally repugnant.
Get God to watch this video because the hell he created is getting full of "sinners" he knew would sin before the foundation of the world but blames them anyway because....he can. LOL.
@MRL1985 Precisely. I'm at an utter loss why people can't comprehend this. Its simple logic. Its got nothing to do with being a bleeding heart liberal.
To all those who have commented about America and torture, torture is a global issue. Its eradication involves a worldwide initiative. We cannot fight violence with violence, because inevitably further violence ensues. This is an issue of justice and humanity, which was recognized by nations through the Geneva convention after WWII.
@MrZxcasdqwe007 I condone all forms of torture, no matter where they occur. However the debate does not need to be confined to one region of the world.
@sea2beefree Need i remind how the untied states was instrumental in pushing for the Geneva convention when its came to trying Nazis for war crimes. Since 1991 the United States has been the world's dominant superpower, it hosts the UN Headquarters itself in New York City, it pays between 25% to 22% of the UN budget and also how since 1985 the U.S. Congress has refused time n time again to authorize payment of the U.S. dues, in order to force UN compliance with U.S.
@sea2beefree and yet you still continue to believe the complete and utter bullshit that the UN wasn't built to support a unipolar world with a single superpower. Furthermore you argue that the Geneva convention was recognized by nations after WWII, when the US has been in blatantly in breech of it most notably since the 2003 Iraq war and no one, not the UN or not one of its 4 other permanent members or the developing nations who provide the bulk of UN's peace keepers did anything.
@MrZxcasdqwe007 Did you even read what I wrote? I wrote about the Geneva convention, not the UN, don't put assertions about the UN in my mouth. Yes, nations did recognize the Geneva convention, I never mentioned which nations, or which breeched those obligations. I'm only trying to say that torture occurs worldwide. The Geneva convention has played a role in stopping torture in times of warfare and conflict, albeit none which the USA has been involved with. Examples, Chechnya and Yugoslavia.
@sea2beefree also it worth mentioning that the 5 permanent members of the UN including the US reserve the power to veto any substantive resolution.Since 1989 the US has dissented against security council resolutions on 12 occasions out of 17 total instances when a permanent member vetoed. Of these 12 occasions, only two related to issues other than the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
@sea2beefree In 2009 the US. abstained from Security Council Resolution 1860 which called for a halt to Israel's military response to Hamas rocket attacks and the opening of the border crossings into the Gaza Strip.
@sea2beefree As you were writing your comment, the US congress was passing the NDAA 2012 (S. 1867) bill which in section 1031 brings torture home to US citizens. The US doesn't follow the Geneva conventions. There is no one big enough and good enough to stop them.
@LudicrousTachyon I am not defending what the United States of America do, I am only noting that torture is not confined to to one nation. I agree that torture should never occur under any circumstances by any country, including the United States of America. Too much of the debate on this comments page is about one country, when this video is about so much more. When people protest against torture they often forget that it occurs worldwide.
I'm insulted by this woman's crass naivete. What, more due process rights and earlier access to counsel will prevent unjust detention and torture? Is this woman kidding me? Has she at all been paying attention to defense and security acts that have been passed in the United States this past decade? Or recent drone executions of U.S. citizens by the U.S. government? If the fucking "shining beacon on a hill" is kills their own citizens with no due process, what the fuck does she think will happen?
@YawnGod Let alone collateral damage caused by bombing.
Obviously what is happening in Syria, what's happening all over the world with unlawful killings, terrible prison conditions (which could be considered torturous), corrupt police and political officials is terrible, but come the fuck on, woman, and grow the fuck up. The only thing that will stop these primates from unleashing continuous atrocities would be mass extermination, and obviously that's off the table.
@acr08807 Ron Paul has no clue how to run an economy. The Federal Reserve, and to a lesser extent, deficit spending, kick in to limit the downside of recessions. The people who want the government out of the economic recovery business (including Paul) will cause housing prices to crash even further, which will crush the banks, cutting off loans to businesses, and we'll be back in 1930. The time for antigrowth policies is during a boom, not when you have 9% unemployment.
There will definitely always be injustice, as there will be famine, disease and poverty. But right now all we can do is reduce the numbers of injustices and reduce the number of people in poverty. The problem with most people is that they run around shouting how they think they can save the world but they are not being realistic. Stop trying to save everyone and save as many people as you can.
The US has set the worst example they could. First, redefining an using torture methods they'd traditionally been ... Second, advocating it publicly. Now the Republican candidates openly advocate waterboarding as an acceptable tool, to put it mildly.
You begin setting standards against human rights violations by being an example and a role model.
It's only cheap if you look at it narrowly and don't consider the big picture ..and only look at things in the short term, while ignoring the long term.
Sadly, narrow-minded ignorance of the big picture and short term thinking, is far too common.
They're the main reasons for all the worlds evil and inequalities.
...and the only reasons for the recent financial crisis.
HOW CAN WE TELL OTHER COUNTRIES NOT TO TORTURE, WHEN THE USA PRACTICES TORTURE!!! MAYBE WE SHOULD GET THINGS RIGHT HERE FIRST, BEFORE WE GO FFFUUCCCKKKIIINNNGGG WITH OTHER COUNTRIES.
@masterkkoosh How about we stop torture all together in all countries? Why wait for the US to get their act straight? Also, the caps lock has practically killed any credibility your comment had.
This woman is an angel. Torture benefits have been disproven over and over again. Rumsfeld/Cheney clan claimed it worked, but when pressed on methods/questions/etc...their PR guys say "oh, no no, thats a seeeeeeeeecret!" What a load of shit. Stop trying to convert the U.S. into another Iran!
Everyone I met who was pre-law said "I want to be a lawyer so I can help people..." But if they really wanted to help people, they'd practice law in Cambodia where people rot in jail without access to lawyers... really they just go where they get paid the most.
so if I tortured you via whatever means your twisted mind can come up with and told you "I won't stop until you tell me what I want to hear" and you made a confession to make it stop you think it's okay and actually right for you to spend your life in jail only to be tortured more everyday? alright, you're a dumbass or a troll, or both.
@stride7860 your example operates in a vacuum. life does not. not all circumstances are of equal stature and some scenarios absolutely require torture. you can choose to be close-minded and ignore the validity of torture and its purpose, or you can express you're ignorance by calling me a troll.
Sure some situations require torture, that doesn't mean torture needs to be legal in all situations just because it's necessary in a few. We make exceptions and break the law when times like that happen and the truth is in MOST circumstances it's NOT necessary and it's just a bunch of assholes in power abusing their power. Your inability to examine your own arguments is why I call you a troll, not because i'm ignorant. You're not a complete idiot just someone who doesn't think much
@Brianap21 But were you listening to the video? She talks about people in developing countries who are tortured for stealing bikes, or two diapers for their children. She talks about people who haven't done anything, but have confessed to escape pain. I'm pretty certain you're talking about an issue that is unrelated to hers; in which case, I may agree with you.
This isn't a liberal vs. conservative issue - she did not mention America.
@GeneralGrove I'd say they should just rewrite it, not take it out completely. The first time we have someone who turns himself in, is all but guilty but for lack of concrete evidence, and we ultimately have to let him go, there would be twice as many people arguing for the system to go back.
Though I do see where you're coming from. Confessions shouldn't be "concrete proof" of anything either, as anyone can confess to anything without merit (I'm just struggling to think of common reasons why).
@WheresTheAnyKey1 You're fine with someone coming into your home, detaining you without trial, and torture you to make sure you don't know anything -or- to make you saying something that's beneficial to the ones torturing? Please don't be a tool.
Not everything is the fault of the US. Torture has been used as an investigative tool at least since the emergence of the state, maybe even earlier. Such comments are not helpful. I in no way defend torture as a means to an end, however the US is actually fortunate to have some semblance of a peaceful democratic system albeit imperfect. You wont, as of yet, be seeing the same brutality other governments of developing us on their citizens. Just as any immigrant from one of those places.
@Moonanite Just because it is something that has been done since this nation was founded does not make it right.
As an occupier I can tell you that the government IS showing the same brutality that many developing nations are. I have been on the street when the police round up and trash the belongings of entire camps of homeless people. I have been present for mass beatings and pepper spraying for refusal to give up our right to sleep in public space. They just aren't shooting us yet.
Not to mention the sleep deprivation tactics (kicking people in their sleep, yelling out in the middle of the night, running back and forth through camp for no reason...etc) they have been using on us and constant harassment (jeers, theft of individuals property, refusal to listen to us even after asking a question, they have been violating their own codes of conduct and standing orders to do so),
@Moonanite the US aren't the reason torture exists but rather the reason it might persist as a valid investigative technique:
The country likes to see(and project itself) as the moral arbiter of western society whilst it's politicians use the general term "national security" as an end to justify the means of limiting civil liberties.
This does not mean that the US are solely responsible for "intense interrogation", yet one can assume that they'll budge only ever so grudgingly.
yep... 12 minutes lost to a stupid fucking moron with no sense of how the world works. I bet the dumb bitch doesnt even know about 9/11/ wat a moron. LOL
SOSTacoJohnson 4 days ago
i have a feeling im going to want me 12 minutes back...
SOSTacoJohnson 4 days ago
What a beautiful person in touch with emotions changing them in others for the better. I find this very rich, thank you for sharing the perception and making me aware.
tobewithyouhoo 4 weeks ago 2
Before the developed world can take a stance on torture, we need to prosecute those responsible for torturing prisoners of the American government. George Bush Junior comes to mind, and a few others in his administration.
HeatherSpoonheim 1 month ago
Lofty goals.
Reality?
Not likely.
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Easily the most inspiring video I've seen so far this year.
VineOfTheSoul 1 month ago
i have a better solution to you , eliminate the need for lawyers by educating the public on the laws that they are governed by , and eliminating the notion of precedence , that each case should be judged on its own merit and not how some other case that was kinda like your own but not quite. If everyone is a lawyer then its much more fair isnt it
slysci5 1 month ago
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have none of you seen "24"? torture works
YodaMan19 1 month ago
@YodaMan19 TV isn't real. Please, find a grasp on reality.
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Please visit my channel to watch a one-minute video clip in which popular atheist author Richard Dawkins admits that homosexual activists "hijacked the word 'gay'".
The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate because it, unlike the word "gay", actually describes the behavior/attraction/relationship being discussed.
The word "gay" helps homosexual activists push their agenda.
lightandbeautiful 1 month ago
@lightandbeautiful
Agenda? To be accepted as PEOPLE?
There have been many words that started out as a euphemism or pejorative which have been adopted by the people they were used against, and turned into something neutral or even positive. They wouldn't be using the term 'gay' if it wasn't first used by bigots like you apparently are.
Keovar 1 month ago
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TheAsymmetrical 1 month ago
this is a world ran by psychopaths until we stop following them we are all torured, physically, mentally, spiritually etc etc -
ehpl 1 month ago
Torture is inexcusable barbarism.
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The CIA gave prisoners to Gaddafi so he would torture them and the West would have no blood on their hands.
gusphraba 1 month ago
Where can i E-vote ?
twistedbass15 1 month ago
Torture can never be justified
monkeyrecordsnz 1 month ago
wow what a great speaker, the emotions sounded really sincere
tarohoa 1 month ago
ok great..start with USA..others will follow. torture is practiced systematically in ALL countries but America and Israel do it viciously and publicly and yet they keep accusing other countries of violation of human rights. sigh
Eliya55 1 month ago
0:45 including america
Arghira 1 month ago
torture = :(
Lojikish 1 month ago
Yeah, hassle the "93 countries" because they're poor and stupid and need us to come in and tell them how to run things because we know better. How about cleaning up our own house first? The onus of proof is on defendants to show innocence beyond reasonable doubt rather than, as it should be, on the state to demonstrate guilt beyond reasonable doubt.
gasdive 1 month ago
no lives,no problems
47crazed 1 month ago
Torture is practiced by most countries in the world, maybe with the exception of nordic european countries. Before Bush torture was practiced by the US as is by most democratic countries in secret. Now the US practices torture in the open, and since Obama it also assassinates citizens, dismissing the rule of law and replacing it by the rule of exception making us all complicit of crimes against humanity.
TheOzomahtli 1 month ago 30
@TheOzomahtli please explain the part about Obama, because many people are saying what you just said.
mohamedgna 1 month ago
@mohamedgna The reason behind Obama ordering the assassination of US citizens is the logic of exception that Bush previously and Obama now promote, this logic dictates that under exceptional circumstances the rule of law can be sidestepped and the president can order the assassination of anyone he pleases. This development is in fact a betrayal of the social contract established between the individual and society in all democratic countries, to wit: the respect and protection of human dignity.
TheOzomahtli 1 month ago
@TheOzomahtli so it's basically disregarding a system that works to a certain extent to increase the powers of the president. but aren't laws put for the same reason this idea is being promoted, I mean the patriot act shitty as it is in its disregard of human rights, it sets a standard by which human rights can be disregarded in the interest of defending the nation and its people from terrorism, but this is just giving the president absolute power which is even more unconstitutional.
mohamedgna 1 month ago
If you want to stop torture then you need to stop the BIGGEST rogue state in the world , the USA !!
because everybody else is doing on the ground that the "world cop" is doing it.
it's such a shame that the nazis were tried for war crimes but the americans were not , and you still wonder why you've torture !!
VoiceOfAleppo 1 month ago
I prefer the chaos...always amusing.
dswellhauser 2 months ago
@dswellhauser and i prefer chaos when it hits scums like you !!
VoiceOfAleppo 1 month ago
I find myself often getting overwhelmed with the numerous problems of the world, wishing there was some singular perfect solution to it all, and it often seems like there is because I can imagine a world without these problems. Of the notions of solutions which I can muster there is always a massive overturning of a complex system. This I find is a problem in of itself, because it prevents people from wanting to do the one thing they know they can do about a problem.
dookiecheez 2 months ago 3
@dookiecheez "Complex systems" have been overturned many times, only to be replaced by another complex one. But I agree with your sentiment. I think this talk shows real change happens from the ground up, rather than the top down. And it will always be a work in progress. This is one of the best TED talks as well as Alberto Cairo's talk, very inspiring amazing people.
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MultiAhka 2 months ago
FACT: Prison itself is torture. Doesn't matter if prison guards never physically touch the prisoner: more than 10 years confined in prison is hell on earth. Soldiers in war are crybabies by comparison: a quick violent death is nothing compared to dragged out prison sentences.
mphello 2 months ago 2
@mphello
Especially so when the prison term entails widespread physical and sexual abuse by fellow inmates with no effective intervention by guards. Or when no serious attempt is made to provide the education, counseling, and social work necessary to help the inmates avoid returning to prison after they are released.
AdNeeb 1 month ago
Very interesting topic. horrible speaker and talk. People are getting overshadowed by the topic.
Brust90 2 months ago
For the last damn time people: TORTURE IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE AND INEFFECTIVE! Think about this for two seconds and its obvious. If you harm someone repeatedly, they will say whatever they have to to get you to stop, and whether or not what they say is true, accurate, etc is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS MAKING THE PAIN STOP.
Raithulu 2 months ago
17 dislikes? Some Hannibal Lecters out there, or die-hard US machos!
sensibilita 2 months ago
Except the US will not be subject to the International Criminal Court ... we would see many of their 'statesmen' behind bars!!
sensibilita 2 months ago
tsetse fly
mcnegro 2 months ago
We should stop physical torture period.
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Fuzzy192006 2 months ago
To Vishna
yuridaman 2 months ago 18
Torture should be BANNED, everywhere!
People like Karen Tse help helpless people.
dewinthemorning 2 months ago
What's easier torturing people or defending an torturee? Keep Rocking Karen Tse! MERRY CHRISTMAS
KonstantinaNYC 2 months ago
Do you have this in with Spanish subtitles? Thank you
yass9229 2 months ago
A beautiful person with a beautiful heart.
housecry 2 months ago
The easiest solution to stop torture is to not buy from that country. A black list for those countries to think that is a losing issue to torture.
ciplogic 2 months ago
@ciplogic That's not an easy solution because very few governments lack the corruption to even do something like that. As for individuals themselves choosing not to trade with another country, it would be difficult to convince every individual to do such a thing, and a black market would surely occur if it was illegalized.
RKAddict101 2 months ago
.....Hey, she's got cankles! So there's way she knows what she's talking about right?
metalsusa1 2 months ago
That's the first phone I've heard in all the TED talks. Surprisingly late.
xilliah 2 months ago
shes hot
Pcoar 2 months ago
Really? A four year old boy constructed that whole sentence at the end? Let me meet this child, I may change faith.
froyboy4life 2 months ago
Stopping torture is a nice utopy but is as realistic as stopping wars or arms sales. It may be popular but it won't happen.
Silmarieni 2 months ago
@Silmarieni
That's why we still can't call ourselves a civilization. If we can't deal with these issues, might just as well leave everything for some Messiah to sort out? Fortunately, there are people out there that think differently and do what they can to make many things happen;-)
natushkatzm 2 months ago
@Silmarieni so? does this mean we should do nothing?
unkaodya 2 months ago
how can people be so convinced that torturing people for a confession is reliable? wtf?
Finiras 2 months ago
Truly one of TED's best talks. Great subject and she is a very gifted public speaker.
fiercefunky 2 months ago
giving a torture talk dressed all in pink, that seems inappropriate
quaxk 2 months ago
Jack Bauer hit the dislike button 15 times.
DannyPhantomBeast 2 months ago
Scenario: There are ten people. Nine are innocent, one knows information. That information could save thousands of lives. You could get the information by torturing the ten people. What do you do? Does committing a lesser evil to prevent a greater one justify it? Or is principle more important than practicality?
knucklez2 2 months ago
@knucklez2 You get 9 people telling you anything they think will stop the torture, and one person lying. You've harmed 9 innocent people for no gain.
Tyneras 2 months ago
@Tyneras But there can be gain. They follow up on all of the leads and one of them ends up saving lives. This is just a hypothetical situation. Torture, like many things in the world, is never black and white. I'm not justifying torture or cruel and unusual punishments on any human beings, I just don't think you can quantify things so simply as some people think. So long as humans desire power, they will use the harm of others to solidify the foundations of their empires.
knucklez2 2 months ago
@knucklez2 Remember, you have 9 people who CANT tell the truth (because "I'm innocent!" is assumed to be a lie if you're torturing them) and one person who will be giving you false leads or wild stories. You're going to have to torture all 10 people for a long, long time, and may never actually get anything. You'd be better off buying more spy drones and drafting people to put more soldiers on the streets. You can be turned in as a terrorist because your neighbor doesn't like you.
Tyneras 2 months ago
@knucklez2 Why would someone tell you the truth because you're pouring water down their throat? Doesn't it make sense that they'd say what they think you want to hear so you'll stop hurting them? You make no sense. Beyond that, how is harming the other nine to supposedly get a confession out of number ten even remotely ethical?
Raithulu 2 months ago
@Raithulu Ethics are subjective. And you underestimate the power torture can have over someone's mind. Torturers don't simply harm someone and stop when information is given. It's a precise, systematic process to discover information from their prisoner. What about the torture of someone who is a known terrorist? Would you accept that? After all, to another person that terrorist may be their freedom fighter. There's a reason people are tortured today. It's because torture is effective.
knucklez2 2 months ago
@knucklez2
The problem with the ticking time bomb scenario is that you already have to know the information you are trying to extract in order to know who to extract it from. It's logically absurd, and every attempt to defend it is morally repugnant.
AdNeeb 1 month ago 2
how to get rid of torture...rename it "enhanced interrogation techniques."
twizelby 2 months ago
TED has been putting out some lame speakers lately, might have to stop watching. Why support ignorance?
eatchiles 2 months ago
@eatchiles so stop watching.
justforwatchingcraps 2 months ago
bleeding hearts get no results - it's her own inner battle that wins.
eatchiles 2 months ago
95% of statistics are bullshit
dizzle42008 2 months ago
Get God to watch this video because the hell he created is getting full of "sinners" he knew would sin before the foundation of the world but blames them anyway because....he can. LOL.
metalsusa1 2 months ago
@metalsusa1 omg thats so funny i almost lol'd too. you're such a funny, clever and relevant person to any conversation about this video.
justforwatchingcraps 2 months ago
@justforwatchingcraps Hey why don't you write for the Conan O'Brien show. Your about as funny. Does your mother let you on the computer unsupervised?
metalsusa1 2 months ago
@metalsusa1 she does, any other relevant questions?
justforwatchingcraps 2 months ago
@justforwatchingcraps Wow. Did you spend your charm school money on booze?
metalsusa1 2 months ago
@metalsusa1 yes....so are you like a baby boomer?
justforwatchingcraps 2 months ago
@justforwatchingcraps Your wit bores me.
metalsusa1 2 months ago
@metalsusa1 i don't believe that...i think you're impressed.
justforwatchingcraps 2 months ago
If I was getting tourtured, I'd probably admit to anything as long as they stop... Give almost anyone enough pain, and they'd do exactly the same.
MRL1985 2 months ago
@MRL1985 Precisely. I'm at an utter loss why people can't comprehend this. Its simple logic. Its got nothing to do with being a bleeding heart liberal.
Raithulu 2 months ago
To all those who have commented about America and torture, torture is a global issue. Its eradication involves a worldwide initiative. We cannot fight violence with violence, because inevitably further violence ensues. This is an issue of justice and humanity, which was recognized by nations through the Geneva convention after WWII.
sea2beefree 2 months ago 24
@sea2beefree two words for you "Guantanamo Bay"
MrZxcasdqwe007 2 months ago
@MrZxcasdqwe007 I condone all forms of torture, no matter where they occur. However the debate does not need to be confined to one region of the world.
sea2beefree 1 month ago
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@sea2beefree Need i remind how the untied states was instrumental in pushing for the Geneva convention when its came to trying Nazis for war crimes. Since 1991 the United States has been the world's dominant superpower, it hosts the UN Headquarters itself in New York City, it pays between 25% to 22% of the UN budget and also how since 1985 the U.S. Congress has refused time n time again to authorize payment of the U.S. dues, in order to force UN compliance with U.S.
MrZxcasdqwe007 1 month ago
@sea2beefree and yet you still continue to believe the complete and utter bullshit that the UN wasn't built to support a unipolar world with a single superpower. Furthermore you argue that the Geneva convention was recognized by nations after WWII, when the US has been in blatantly in breech of it most notably since the 2003 Iraq war and no one, not the UN or not one of its 4 other permanent members or the developing nations who provide the bulk of UN's peace keepers did anything.
MrZxcasdqwe007 1 month ago
@MrZxcasdqwe007 Did you even read what I wrote? I wrote about the Geneva convention, not the UN, don't put assertions about the UN in my mouth. Yes, nations did recognize the Geneva convention, I never mentioned which nations, or which breeched those obligations. I'm only trying to say that torture occurs worldwide. The Geneva convention has played a role in stopping torture in times of warfare and conflict, albeit none which the USA has been involved with. Examples, Chechnya and Yugoslavia.
sea2beefree 1 month ago
@sea2beefree Or none which the USA instigated.
sea2beefree 1 month ago
@sea2beefree also it worth mentioning that the 5 permanent members of the UN including the US reserve the power to veto any substantive resolution.Since 1989 the US has dissented against security council resolutions on 12 occasions out of 17 total instances when a permanent member vetoed. Of these 12 occasions, only two related to issues other than the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
MrZxcasdqwe007 1 month ago
@MrZxcasdqwe007 I am against veto power, it should never have been introduced. If you have any proposals to remove it, I'm open to suggestions. ;)
sea2beefree 1 month ago
@sea2beefree In 2009 the US. abstained from Security Council Resolution 1860 which called for a halt to Israel's military response to Hamas rocket attacks and the opening of the border crossings into the Gaza Strip.
MrZxcasdqwe007 1 month ago
@sea2beefree Just to sum it all up people who are commenting on America and torture have GOOD reason's to do so.
MrZxcasdqwe007 1 month ago
@MrZxcasdqwe007 May I remind you that torture occurs by other nations. Injustice is a global issue, not an American issue.
sea2beefree 1 month ago
@sea2beefree
Don't you mean condemn?
AdNeeb 1 month ago
@sea2beefree As you were writing your comment, the US congress was passing the NDAA 2012 (S. 1867) bill which in section 1031 brings torture home to US citizens. The US doesn't follow the Geneva conventions. There is no one big enough and good enough to stop them.
LudicrousTachyon 1 month ago
@LudicrousTachyon I am not defending what the United States of America do, I am only noting that torture is not confined to to one nation. I agree that torture should never occur under any circumstances by any country, including the United States of America. Too much of the debate on this comments page is about one country, when this video is about so much more. When people protest against torture they often forget that it occurs worldwide.
sea2beefree 1 month ago
wow, a bunch of snowflakes just gayd up my screen. amazing the time we're in.
AndreLeCoz 2 months ago
@AndreLeCoz weird...my screen got more strait...
justforwatchingcraps 2 months ago
If your awesome, you'll keep a snowflake in the air till the end of the video
BLOOMS 2 months ago
or just stop 12 year olds stealing bikes
jafro8 2 months ago
I'm insulted by this woman's crass naivete. What, more due process rights and earlier access to counsel will prevent unjust detention and torture? Is this woman kidding me? Has she at all been paying attention to defense and security acts that have been passed in the United States this past decade? Or recent drone executions of U.S. citizens by the U.S. government? If the fucking "shining beacon on a hill" is kills their own citizens with no due process, what the fuck does she think will happen?
YawnGod 2 months ago
@YawnGod Let alone collateral damage caused by bombing.
Obviously what is happening in Syria, what's happening all over the world with unlawful killings, terrible prison conditions (which could be considered torturous), corrupt police and political officials is terrible, but come the fuck on, woman, and grow the fuck up. The only thing that will stop these primates from unleashing continuous atrocities would be mass extermination, and obviously that's off the table.
YawnGod 2 months ago
@PoooTeeWeet Give Ron Paul one term and we'll be a Third World country ourselves.
acr08807 2 months ago
@acr08807 "Give Ron Paul one term and we'll be a Third World country ourselves." Please explain.
poopynonsense 2 months ago
@acr08807 Ron Paul has no clue how to run an economy. The Federal Reserve, and to a lesser extent, deficit spending, kick in to limit the downside of recessions. The people who want the government out of the economic recovery business (including Paul) will cause housing prices to crash even further, which will crush the banks, cutting off loans to businesses, and we'll be back in 1930. The time for antigrowth policies is during a boom, not when you have 9% unemployment.
acr08807 2 months ago
The problem isn't a dearth of lawyers, it's an excess of tin-pot dictators.
acr08807 2 months ago
There will definitely always be injustice, as there will be famine, disease and poverty. But right now all we can do is reduce the numbers of injustices and reduce the number of people in poverty. The problem with most people is that they run around shouting how they think they can save the world but they are not being realistic. Stop trying to save everyone and save as many people as you can.
LomTang 2 months ago
How to stop injustice: move to a better planet.
We'll still have injustice long after I'm worm food...
Truthiness231 2 months ago
How to stop torture: Eliminate Sovereign Immunity.
CurtHowland 2 months ago
The US has set the worst example they could. First, redefining an using torture methods they'd traditionally been ... Second, advocating it publicly. Now the Republican candidates openly advocate waterboarding as an acceptable tool, to put it mildly.
You begin setting standards against human rights violations by being an example and a role model.
I found the video lacking in denouncing this.
pbezunartea 2 months ago
Torture is cheap?
No.
It's only cheap if you look at it narrowly and don't consider the big picture ..and only look at things in the short term, while ignoring the long term.
Sadly, narrow-minded ignorance of the big picture and short term thinking, is far too common.
They're the main reasons for all the worlds evil and inequalities.
...and the only reasons for the recent financial crisis.
ZarlanTheGreen 2 months ago
How to stop torture stop watching this video...
itchybo510 2 months ago
How to stop torture: Redefine torture, just like USA did with waterbording.
SirArghPirate 2 months ago
9 people dig torture.
dreaminginnoother 2 months ago
they should probably not run the snow machine on stage during ted talks.
dreaminginnoother 2 months ago
Stop torture by voting Ron Paul
nvcn00 2 months ago
Cops are asses
Typho0n86 2 months ago
@Typho0n86
FUCK THE POLICE!!! Only good scene from the Hangover 2
Geebsee 2 months ago
Bradley Manning is being tortured
Lawlow1978 2 months ago
HOW CAN WE TELL OTHER COUNTRIES NOT TO TORTURE, WHEN THE USA PRACTICES TORTURE!!! MAYBE WE SHOULD GET THINGS RIGHT HERE FIRST, BEFORE WE GO FFFUUCCCKKKIIINNNGGG WITH OTHER COUNTRIES.
masterkkoosh 2 months ago
@masterkkoosh Let's start getting things right by hitting that cap lock key, cowboy.
TheKarmaComedian 2 months ago
@masterkkoosh How about we stop torture all together in all countries? Why wait for the US to get their act straight? Also, the caps lock has practically killed any credibility your comment had.
LadyofTheSummer 2 months ago
I think this was pretty weak for a TED Talk..
guitarmaestro078 2 months ago
I like making towers with the snow
asseeninYOURDREAMS 2 months ago
@asseeninYOURDREAMS Its pretty cool, and goes well with this video...she is such a giving person.
qigong1001 2 months ago
This woman is an angel. Torture benefits have been disproven over and over again. Rumsfeld/Cheney clan claimed it worked, but when pressed on methods/questions/etc...their PR guys say "oh, no no, thats a seeeeeeeeecret!" What a load of shit. Stop trying to convert the U.S. into another Iran!
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LUVYOUSTILL 2 months ago
Everyone I met who was pre-law said "I want to be a lawyer so I can help people..." But if they really wanted to help people, they'd practice law in Cambodia where people rot in jail without access to lawyers... really they just go where they get paid the most.
Cannibalzz 2 months ago 2
I have a better idea. Lets expand torture to apply to politicians. That would stop torture.
Spencerianism 2 months ago
This is something you can take for granted living in the states, very nice message to pass on.
1IdeaAhead 2 months ago
torture works... get over it liberals. "due process rights" are an arbitrary set of "rules" to acquire information. by any means necessary...
Brianap21 2 months ago
@Brianap21
so if I tortured you via whatever means your twisted mind can come up with and told you "I won't stop until you tell me what I want to hear" and you made a confession to make it stop you think it's okay and actually right for you to spend your life in jail only to be tortured more everyday? alright, you're a dumbass or a troll, or both.
stride7860 2 months ago
@stride7860 your example operates in a vacuum. life does not. not all circumstances are of equal stature and some scenarios absolutely require torture. you can choose to be close-minded and ignore the validity of torture and its purpose, or you can express you're ignorance by calling me a troll.
Brianap21 2 months ago
@Brianap21
Sure some situations require torture, that doesn't mean torture needs to be legal in all situations just because it's necessary in a few. We make exceptions and break the law when times like that happen and the truth is in MOST circumstances it's NOT necessary and it's just a bunch of assholes in power abusing their power. Your inability to examine your own arguments is why I call you a troll, not because i'm ignorant. You're not a complete idiot just someone who doesn't think much
stride7860 2 months ago
@Brianap21 But were you listening to the video? She talks about people in developing countries who are tortured for stealing bikes, or two diapers for their children. She talks about people who haven't done anything, but have confessed to escape pain. I'm pretty certain you're talking about an issue that is unrelated to hers; in which case, I may agree with you.
This isn't a liberal vs. conservative issue - she did not mention America.
TheBermuda 2 months ago 2
Take confessions out of the legal systems all together.
GeneralGrove 2 months ago 17
@GeneralGrove I'd say they should just rewrite it, not take it out completely. The first time we have someone who turns himself in, is all but guilty but for lack of concrete evidence, and we ultimately have to let him go, there would be twice as many people arguing for the system to go back.
Though I do see where you're coming from. Confessions shouldn't be "concrete proof" of anything either, as anyone can confess to anything without merit (I'm just struggling to think of common reasons why).
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LUVYOUSTILL 2 months ago
How to stop torture? Maybe stop setting the bad example! Hypocrites...
BeortheMad 2 months ago
this is fantastic
iameean 2 months ago
when are these talks recorded? Do they happen every day ?
ritvarsdortans 2 months ago
Did anyone press the snowflake button? Because my screen began to snow
TubingwithZiarie 2 months ago 39
@TubingwithZiarie You do know that you can wipe them away with your cursor?
ThePhotory 2 months ago
@TubingwithZiarie
indeed pressed it as soon as I saw it not knowing what it does lol
faztclix 2 months ago
@TubingwithZiarie Yes, me too. After half of the video she was hard to see on the window. Didn't really help the serious topic... ;)
Sic7777 2 months ago
@TubingwithZiarie Did you try moving the mouse over the video screen? It moves the snow away! :)
LiliFromHali 2 months ago
@TubingwithZiarie hahaha first time, and the snowflakes kinda distracted me from the troubled speaker.
eatchiles 2 months ago
@TubingwithZiarie if you move your mouse on the screen, the snowfalkes move:)
rachelaleece 2 months ago
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HowToStopTorture 2 months ago
Easy, stop people from doing bad things. (Degrees of). No need for 12 minute video.
WheresTheAnyKey1 2 months ago
@WheresTheAnyKey1 wow, arent you a genius
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LUVYOUSTILL 2 months ago
@WheresTheAnyKey1 You're fine with someone coming into your home, detaining you without trial, and torture you to make sure you don't know anything -or- to make you saying something that's beneficial to the ones torturing? Please don't be a tool.
DimmedDiamond 2 months ago
End torture as an investigative tool?
Not until the US stop existing
MCAMVP 2 months ago
@MCAMVP
Not everything is the fault of the US. Torture has been used as an investigative tool at least since the emergence of the state, maybe even earlier. Such comments are not helpful. I in no way defend torture as a means to an end, however the US is actually fortunate to have some semblance of a peaceful democratic system albeit imperfect. You wont, as of yet, be seeing the same brutality other governments of developing us on their citizens. Just as any immigrant from one of those places.
Moonanite 2 months ago
@Moonanite
Edit:seeing the same brutality other governments of developing nations use on their citizens.
Moonanite 2 months ago
@Moonanite Just because it is something that has been done since this nation was founded does not make it right.
As an occupier I can tell you that the government IS showing the same brutality that many developing nations are. I have been on the street when the police round up and trash the belongings of entire camps of homeless people. I have been present for mass beatings and pepper spraying for refusal to give up our right to sleep in public space. They just aren't shooting us yet.
TheAnubisDrake 2 months ago
Not to mention the sleep deprivation tactics (kicking people in their sleep, yelling out in the middle of the night, running back and forth through camp for no reason...etc) they have been using on us and constant harassment (jeers, theft of individuals property, refusal to listen to us even after asking a question, they have been violating their own codes of conduct and standing orders to do so),
TheAnubisDrake 2 months ago
standing orders to NOT* do so.
TheAnubisDrake 2 months ago
@Moonanite the US aren't the reason torture exists but rather the reason it might persist as a valid investigative technique:
The country likes to see(and project itself) as the moral arbiter of western society whilst it's politicians use the general term "national security" as an end to justify the means of limiting civil liberties.
This does not mean that the US are solely responsible for "intense interrogation", yet one can assume that they'll budge only ever so grudgingly.
MCAMVP 2 months ago
I think I like the girl.......
michaeldeng1981 2 months ago
brilliant! very inspirational!
clintonlopez 2 months ago
What if we didnt NEED lawyers to defend ourselves
lothrazar 2 months ago
@lothrazar astute call ...we have been used long enough ...the legal system is exploiting the very people it was designed to protect ...the innocent
gaiagale 2 months ago
i love the snowing function
xrbk17x 2 months ago
So you're saying lawyers are the solution to torture?
Something just sounds wrong to me about that. What if, instead, people were able to more reasonably defend themselves? Seems more scalable to me.
websnarf 2 months ago
lol goddammit, i hit the snowflake button on a video about torture...
BJ219 2 months ago