@NVDawg1 Hmm, try checking out iamramekin's videos on counter steering. It's like this, if you want to go left....you push the left bar forward or not really turn just like apply pressure to the left bar like pulling it down which pulls the bike left. Same thing for the right bar, at least that's how i understand it. I don't ride, but that's what I think, sorry I can't be of more help...hope ramekins video helps you!
Sooo, I am explaining to the Occifer that I meant to be turning left, but I was taught to turn right first before I try to turn left. Sorry, but he is not going to buy my story why I crashed into that other vehicle. Help me out here.
SOOO, I should turn left before I want to turn right???? This makes no sense to me. I just move the bars left if I want to go left. I still don;t understand this concept.
@NVDawg1 You don't understand the concept because you haven't ridden, or at least I'm assuming you haven't ridden. Just do this, get on a motorcycle or bicycle. How do you turn when at a speed greater than 10 mph? You don't turn the handlebars in the direction you want to go, you barely turn them in the opposite direction to create fall on one side. Once it starts falling, the bike leans over and turns.
One of the things that confused me the most in my MSF class is when they told me "press right, go right. press left, go left." I went on to show them what that means to a lot of people, my instructor understood and agreed to a certain extent with my suggestion. For anybody having trouble understanding that concept, when they say press, it's almost a pulling motion, but imagine you are trying to pull the bar end to the pavement. Main point: press refers to a parallel motion, not perpendicular.
Every video says, push right, turn right. Confusing as f***!!! I have concluded, if you want to turn left, a bit before the turn, you turn a little to the right first, then actually turn to the left so that the center of balance is leaning inward (toward the left) as you take the turn to compensate. The upper part of the bike and yourself will naturally want to go to the right due to centrifugal force, and this is how you keep your balance. Higher speed = more leaning in. Wrong?
@TheNightmareSequence It's going to be hard for people who haven't ridden to wrap their minds around this concept. By pushing left, you are barely turning the tire to the right. That slight inbalance of the front tire going right causes the bike to fall to the left. When you are at speed and do this, it won't fall over, it will just initiate lean. But yes, more speed means you can lean more.
The easiest way to explain counter steering, is to "experience" or "feel" it is...
Drive in a straight line on the left side of the road in second gear. Hold the handle bar with your right hand. Hold slightly with the left hand(for safety reasons) Now gently, VERY GENTLY, push slightly with your right hand. The bike will go to the right. Play around with the concept in straight line. Pull and push slightly with the right hand. Hope that helps.
@Tremor123321 I understand the concept and the point some are trying to make, but yea. Turning the front wheels x axis to the left (pushing right hand) when moving forward means the rest must follow in the same direction, to the left. Compensating, or setting up position for the lean makes more sense. I noticed I was unintentionally turning right a bit just before my left turns to lean inward with the bike. You must lean to offset the centrifugal force by lowering the center of balance.
i thought i know how to control my motorbike but after watching this video, i become puzzled......... i think we only need to countersteer when the speed is beyond a threshold, in which after the threshold if you turning to the left, you swing handle bar to the left will cause your bike to fold and so you counter steer to sort of lift it up? please spend some time and take a look at this clip......... this is very clear showing counter steering /watch?v=NQ7dTFyF5jg
countersteering is, when you push slightly on the left handle, you are knocking the bike out of balance and it begins to fall to the left thereby starting your turn which you now control by the amount of pressure put on the handle. the rider simply stays with the bike and does not have to lean eathewr way !
countersteering is, when you push slightly on the left handle, you are knocking the bike out of balance and it begins to fall to the left thereby starting your turn which you now control by the amount of pressure put on the handle.
so when you push left you go left, i get that, but when your bike leans, do you then move the wheel into the corner? then when you come out straighten up?
@ferrarithedude You initiate the bike into the corner and hold it with lean and then just naturally come up. I really cant explain it. You will understand once you ride.
i tried this today and it worked! i was like oh shieeeeet lol... nah but maybe now i can take curves better and not like last time when i almost whent off the road LOL!
@gabrielf1911 from what i understand its pushing down and pulling up.. don't take my word for it though, im not a rider, but from watching hundreds of videos, this is what i can gather.
This is WRONG. You are not pushing or pulling up or down. The motion is a push forward away from you or a pull backwards towards you. Any up and down movement (say, movement up or down a vertical axis for the sake of argument) is purely incidental and is a function of your body position and how one's arms must move when leaned forward on a bike. There may be some upward or downward movement, but the actual motion is a push and pull as I described previously.
what happens if you lean into the direction you turning for example left. and turn the handle bars left. will you turn left? i mean counter steering seems to work by unbalancing the bike so the gravity does the rest but isn't dangerous if you do it too much and tire slide without good traction.
Yo I'm going to be taking a motorcycle training class this upcoming year and I just had a question or two. First of all your video helped me out. But does it take awhile to learn how to steer? Or do you learn it pretty fast? And do you suggest me taking any of the other training programs that they have like the intermediate or advanced classes after I'm done with the first one?
@CHROMEBULLETS When you get on a motorcycle for the first time it feels very weird and awkward, but if you stick with it you will get the feel for it pretty quickly. It took me about 20 minutes to begin to understand how to steer.
I understand counter steering,but is it an alternate way to corner or is it the only way to corner? Can you choose to use the handlebars to point in the way you want to go or do you have to countersteer to go around any corner?
@A7xRc You can't point the handlebars to steer around a corner at more than 15mph, it just won't work. When you ride a bike you will understand. It's confusing if you haven't ridden. It's very natural if you have ridden.
@interstella64 Thanks. I remembered it from when i took my course last summer. The instructors gave us a huge speech explaining the science behind it (which i thought was pretty damn cool) and summarized with that sentence at the end. One more good rainstorm here to clear the gravel and the roads will be safe enough to ride on. I cant wait!
@mtbjdm No, you can lean the bike without counter steering. But if you plan on really getting low, you need to start counter-steering, as leaning can only get you over so far.
@Iroquois14 hi...seen your video tryin to learn more about bikes but dont have anybody to ask about them so i got a couple questions hopefully you can help. idk what bike is good for starting off and what would be good for someone about 5' 10"? if you could help me out id appreciate it
Not to nit pick brother but that is not counter steering and body positioning has everything to do with riding. I have to constantly reteach people that have been giving bad advice. You are just leaning the bike and you are riding way to close to the double yellow. I don't think you know what counter steering is.
Not to nit pick brother but that is not counter steering and body positioning has everything to do with riding. I have to constantly reteach people that have been giving bad advice. You are just leaning the bike and you are riding way to close to the double yellow. I don't think you know what counter steering is.
@Iroquois14 Dude don't be pissy about it! The only reason I said something was because you were giving bad advice and looking like a fool. When you personally have to pick dead bikers up off the ground maybe you will understand what I do. I wasn't trying to get into a pissing contest with you because I realize you are riding and enjoying it. And I won't argue with you, I am too respected and I have done way too much for the biker community!
@Iroquois14 sure NP and you get of your horse period! Your video is wrong and you give horrible advice! You may have some friends on here because you are a nice guy but truth be told your skills are terrible. You should respect the fact I am telling your this and Man up, swallow your little Ego and take the advice!
Again with the great tips! This clears up some of my "how much should I pull" questions from your video examples and stuff. Oh, and I did opt for the Zero Gravity "Double Bubble" on my GS500F. Awesome!
@TheKhanvict786 You don't have to rev match when downshifting, it just makes it easier on the engine. Yes, whether you rev match or not, it will have the same effect.
@Iroquois14 That is the worst advice ever given!! You absolutely have to match road speed with engine speed, try that on my bike and you will get killed! It has nothing to do with making it easier on your engine! That is why they made slipper clutches! Dude stop giving advice you will get someone killed. Blipping your throttle is an advanced technique and works extremely well. I urge you not to listen to this guy he is will make you a statistic! Sorry I had to comment this is dead wrong info
@CorruptArsenal213 By giving the engine just a bit of throttle when you downshift you can make the clutch engagement smoother, which reduces clutch wear and head bobbing on downshifts. On my GS500, you DON'T have to do this, but it is recommended. Now, on a Hayabusa, that might be a different story. But chances are someone that rides a Busa isn't looking for videos like these.
On a ride yesterday I was thinking about your push and pull comment and came up with this. Are you a pusher or a puller? Sportbike riders are usually already pushing slightly on both bars due to the lean forward and so they just push a little harder on the side of the turn. Cruiser riders are upright or leaned back so they naturally pull a little on the side opposite the turn. They won't change their seating position to push. Wa'dya think?
@kuosion If you are interested, here is a promo vid of Keith Code's Twist of the Wrist II. At about 1 45 it goes over countersteer but the video contains other great riding tips mostly centered around cornering. Watch and then leave your friends in the dust in the twisties and be safer at the same time. watch?v=XAeFrk7CU_w&feature=related. I have watched the whole DVD and would highly recommend it.
@NVDawg1 Hmm, try checking out iamramekin's videos on counter steering. It's like this, if you want to go left....you push the left bar forward or not really turn just like apply pressure to the left bar like pulling it down which pulls the bike left. Same thing for the right bar, at least that's how i understand it. I don't ride, but that's what I think, sorry I can't be of more help...hope ramekins video helps you!
tyler16666 5 days ago
Sooo, I am explaining to the Occifer that I meant to be turning left, but I was taught to turn right first before I try to turn left. Sorry, but he is not going to buy my story why I crashed into that other vehicle. Help me out here.
NVDawg1 1 week ago
SOOO, I should turn left before I want to turn right???? This makes no sense to me. I just move the bars left if I want to go left. I still don;t understand this concept.
NVDawg1 1 week ago
@NVDawg1 You don't understand the concept because you haven't ridden, or at least I'm assuming you haven't ridden. Just do this, get on a motorcycle or bicycle. How do you turn when at a speed greater than 10 mph? You don't turn the handlebars in the direction you want to go, you barely turn them in the opposite direction to create fall on one side. Once it starts falling, the bike leans over and turns.
Iroquois14 5 days ago
One of the things that confused me the most in my MSF class is when they told me "press right, go right. press left, go left." I went on to show them what that means to a lot of people, my instructor understood and agreed to a certain extent with my suggestion. For anybody having trouble understanding that concept, when they say press, it's almost a pulling motion, but imagine you are trying to pull the bar end to the pavement. Main point: press refers to a parallel motion, not perpendicular.
YZ125Broski 3 weeks ago
Its not that hard people... If u wanna go left u push on ur left hand, if u wanna go to the right then u push on ur right hand
509Razoo 1 month ago
pulling the handlebar up or towards you to initiate a countersteering?
Longboardmaestro 1 month ago
Every video says, push right, turn right. Confusing as f***!!! I have concluded, if you want to turn left, a bit before the turn, you turn a little to the right first, then actually turn to the left so that the center of balance is leaning inward (toward the left) as you take the turn to compensate. The upper part of the bike and yourself will naturally want to go to the right due to centrifugal force, and this is how you keep your balance. Higher speed = more leaning in. Wrong?
TheNightmareSequence 1 month ago
@TheNightmareSequence It's going to be hard for people who haven't ridden to wrap their minds around this concept. By pushing left, you are barely turning the tire to the right. That slight inbalance of the front tire going right causes the bike to fall to the left. When you are at speed and do this, it won't fall over, it will just initiate lean. But yes, more speed means you can lean more.
Iroquois14 1 month ago
@TheNightmareSequence WRONG!!!
The easiest way to explain counter steering, is to "experience" or "feel" it is...
Drive in a straight line on the left side of the road in second gear. Hold the handle bar with your right hand. Hold slightly with the left hand(for safety reasons) Now gently, VERY GENTLY, push slightly with your right hand. The bike will go to the right. Play around with the concept in straight line. Pull and push slightly with the right hand. Hope that helps.
Tremor123321 1 month ago
@Tremor123321 I understand the concept and the point some are trying to make, but yea. Turning the front wheels x axis to the left (pushing right hand) when moving forward means the rest must follow in the same direction, to the left. Compensating, or setting up position for the lean makes more sense. I noticed I was unintentionally turning right a bit just before my left turns to lean inward with the bike. You must lean to offset the centrifugal force by lowering the center of balance.
TheNightmareSequence 1 month ago
Thanks mate your information is the best I've heard so far.
2jdefr 3 months ago
i thought i know how to control my motorbike but after watching this video, i become puzzled......... i think we only need to countersteer when the speed is beyond a threshold, in which after the threshold if you turning to the left, you swing handle bar to the left will cause your bike to fold and so you counter steer to sort of lift it up? please spend some time and take a look at this clip......... this is very clear showing counter steering /watch?v=NQ7dTFyF5jg
lyclycsms 3 months ago
aint u counter steering while riding a bicycle ???
NoJokesOK 3 months ago
countersteering is, when you push slightly on the left handle, you are knocking the bike out of balance and it begins to fall to the left thereby starting your turn which you now control by the amount of pressure put on the handle. the rider simply stays with the bike and does not have to lean eathewr way !
ctguy591 4 months ago
countersteering is, when you push slightly on the left handle, you are knocking the bike out of balance and it begins to fall to the left thereby starting your turn which you now control by the amount of pressure put on the handle.
ctguy591 4 months ago
i just realized i do this on a bicycle while going pretty fast in relative terms
27Mussolini 4 months ago
Is it not he same as riding a bicycle, with turning...?
DoyleVonFrankenstein 5 months ago
so when you push left you go left, i get that, but when your bike leans, do you then move the wheel into the corner? then when you come out straighten up?
ferrarithedude 6 months ago
@ferrarithedude You initiate the bike into the corner and hold it with lean and then just naturally come up. I really cant explain it. You will understand once you ride.
Iroquois14 6 months ago 2
i tried this today and it worked! i was like oh shieeeeet lol... nah but maybe now i can take curves better and not like last time when i almost whent off the road LOL!
CALI2TEXBOY 7 months ago
define push and pull.. like are you pushing the handle bars forward and pulling it towards you?
gabrielf1911 7 months ago
@gabrielf1911 from what i understand its pushing down and pulling up.. don't take my word for it though, im not a rider, but from watching hundreds of videos, this is what i can gather.
02danielc 4 months ago
@02danielc
This is WRONG. You are not pushing or pulling up or down. The motion is a push forward away from you or a pull backwards towards you. Any up and down movement (say, movement up or down a vertical axis for the sake of argument) is purely incidental and is a function of your body position and how one's arms must move when leaned forward on a bike. There may be some upward or downward movement, but the actual motion is a push and pull as I described previously.
opmike343 3 months ago
@opmike343 Cool thanks.
02danielc 3 months ago
@gabrielf1911
Yes.
opmike343 3 months ago
what happens if you lean into the direction you turning for example left. and turn the handle bars left. will you turn left? i mean counter steering seems to work by unbalancing the bike so the gravity does the rest but isn't dangerous if you do it too much and tire slide without good traction.
gaivoron 9 months ago
Yo I'm going to be taking a motorcycle training class this upcoming year and I just had a question or two. First of all your video helped me out. But does it take awhile to learn how to steer? Or do you learn it pretty fast? And do you suggest me taking any of the other training programs that they have like the intermediate or advanced classes after I'm done with the first one?
CHROMEBULLETS 1 year ago
@CHROMEBULLETS When you get on a motorcycle for the first time it feels very weird and awkward, but if you stick with it you will get the feel for it pretty quickly. It took me about 20 minutes to begin to understand how to steer.
Iroquois14 1 year ago
@CHROMEBULLETS Also, If you want to take the intermediate or advanced courses, feel absolutely free. It will only make you a better rider.
Iroquois14 1 year ago
I understand counter steering,but is it an alternate way to corner or is it the only way to corner? Can you choose to use the handlebars to point in the way you want to go or do you have to countersteer to go around any corner?
A7xRc 1 year ago
@A7xRc You can't point the handlebars to steer around a corner at more than 15mph, it just won't work. When you ride a bike you will understand. It's confusing if you haven't ridden. It's very natural if you have ridden.
Iroquois14 1 year ago
Counter-steering will initiate a turn, leaning will allow you to maintain it.
tucsondog 1 year ago 7
@tucsondog wonderful short explanation!
interstella64 11 months ago
@interstella64 Thanks. I remembered it from when i took my course last summer. The instructors gave us a huge speech explaining the science behind it (which i thought was pretty damn cool) and summarized with that sentence at the end. One more good rainstorm here to clear the gravel and the roads will be safe enough to ride on. I cant wait!
tucsondog 11 months ago
Sorry but this is the worst explanation of counter steering ever.
originaldub 1 year ago
i dont understand this at all i hv a bike but all i do is lean is that counter steering/?
mtbjdm 1 year ago
@mtbjdm No, you can lean the bike without counter steering. But if you plan on really getting low, you need to start counter-steering, as leaning can only get you over so far.
Iroquois14 1 year ago
do you countersteer to initiate the turn?
utubeteam6 1 year ago
@utubeteam6 Yes
Iroquois14 1 year ago
@Iroquois14 hi...seen your video tryin to learn more about bikes but dont have anybody to ask about them so i got a couple questions hopefully you can help. idk what bike is good for starting off and what would be good for someone about 5' 10"? if you could help me out id appreciate it
thx
crankthemfreckles 1 year ago
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Not to nit pick brother but that is not counter steering and body positioning has everything to do with riding. I have to constantly reteach people that have been giving bad advice. You are just leaning the bike and you are riding way to close to the double yellow. I don't think you know what counter steering is.
CorruptArsenal213 1 year ago
Not to nit pick brother but that is not counter steering and body positioning has everything to do with riding. I have to constantly reteach people that have been giving bad advice. You are just leaning the bike and you are riding way to close to the double yellow. I don't think you know what counter steering is.
CorruptArsenal213 1 year ago
@CorruptArsenal213 "that is not counter steering"..... right on dude. Tell me how to do it since I obviously can't. Oh wait....
Iroquois14 1 year ago
@Iroquois14 Dude don't be pissy about it! The only reason I said something was because you were giving bad advice and looking like a fool. When you personally have to pick dead bikers up off the ground maybe you will understand what I do. I wasn't trying to get into a pissing contest with you because I realize you are riding and enjoying it. And I won't argue with you, I am too respected and I have done way too much for the biker community!
CorruptArsenal213 1 year ago
"I am too respected and I have done way too much for the biker community!"
Get off your high horse.
Iroquois14 1 year ago
@Iroquois14 sure NP and you get of your horse period! Your video is wrong and you give horrible advice! You may have some friends on here because you are a nice guy but truth be told your skills are terrible. You should respect the fact I am telling your this and Man up, swallow your little Ego and take the advice!
CorruptArsenal213 1 year ago
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Enjoyed watching your video.Need to brush up on my counter steering skills,cheers.Derek from Scotland
gallopingrider 1 year ago
Enjoyed watching your video.Need to brush up on my counter steering skills,cheers.Derek from Scotland
gallopingrider 1 year ago
Again with the great tips! This clears up some of my "how much should I pull" questions from your video examples and stuff. Oh, and I did opt for the Zero Gravity "Double Bubble" on my GS500F. Awesome!
imandytran 1 year ago
good vid man. and heyy chick rider :)) u get her number??
ashe929 1 year ago
@ashe929 Nope. She was with the other new guy.
Iroquois14 1 year ago
hey,
does engine breaking and downshifting using blip method differ at all?
will both methods have the same overall affect?
thanks
TheKhanvict786 1 year ago
@TheKhanvict786 You don't have to rev match when downshifting, it just makes it easier on the engine. Yes, whether you rev match or not, it will have the same effect.
Iroquois14 1 year ago
@Iroquois14 That is the worst advice ever given!! You absolutely have to match road speed with engine speed, try that on my bike and you will get killed! It has nothing to do with making it easier on your engine! That is why they made slipper clutches! Dude stop giving advice you will get someone killed. Blipping your throttle is an advanced technique and works extremely well. I urge you not to listen to this guy he is will make you a statistic! Sorry I had to comment this is dead wrong info
CorruptArsenal213 1 year ago
@CorruptArsenal213 By giving the engine just a bit of throttle when you downshift you can make the clutch engagement smoother, which reduces clutch wear and head bobbing on downshifts. On my GS500, you DON'T have to do this, but it is recommended. Now, on a Hayabusa, that might be a different story. But chances are someone that rides a Busa isn't looking for videos like these.
Iroquois14 1 year ago
On a ride yesterday I was thinking about your push and pull comment and came up with this. Are you a pusher or a puller? Sportbike riders are usually already pushing slightly on both bars due to the lean forward and so they just push a little harder on the side of the turn. Cruiser riders are upright or leaned back so they naturally pull a little on the side opposite the turn. They won't change their seating position to push. Wa'dya think?
Moosepiesandwich 1 year ago
@Moosepiesandwich The GS has a very standard seating position. It's a bit of a mix between sport and cruiser. I usually do a mix of both.
Iroquois14 1 year ago
people can try this easily on a bicycle for starters , its an almost natural movement we do it without thinking
roninsoul 1 year ago
Ive been riding bicycles for years isnt that the same concept as far as counter steering?
Ethan1993m 1 year ago
so fun...
TmanDmc 1 year ago
you're so fun...
TmanDmc 1 year ago
Nobody wrecked! Cool!
dsmith308 1 year ago
Were you the sweep?
nightrider250R 1 year ago
@nightrider250R Yes siree.
Iroquois14 1 year ago
This camera setup looks like something I would come up with. lol
My last video was actually the first video where I didn't have some camera or audio mishap.
Great video as usual!!!!
krayziesensei 1 year ago
Interesting Vid.
pulse0000 1 year ago
I retract my comment for the safety of others.
kuosion 1 year ago
@kuosion lol. Are you doing summer school? We need to ride soon.
Iroquois14 1 year ago
@Iroquois14 Yea... unfortunately. I still need to replace my front tire.
kuosion 1 year ago
@kuosion If you are interested, here is a promo vid of Keith Code's Twist of the Wrist II. At about 1 45 it goes over countersteer but the video contains other great riding tips mostly centered around cornering. Watch and then leave your friends in the dust in the twisties and be safer at the same time. watch?v=XAeFrk7CU_w&feature=related. I have watched the whole DVD and would highly recommend it.
SMSBJM1981 1 year ago
i have a 97 schwinn 10 speed and im always couter steering
sneakyfellow 1 year ago
@sneakyfellow lol But, u do actually counter-steer on a bike too sometimes....
krayziesensei 1 year ago
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kuosion 1 year ago
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kuosion 1 year ago
@kuosion so very wrong you are. You need to watch twist of the wrist 2 with keith code.
SMSBJM1981 1 year ago
@kuosion You are going to have a hard time controlling a motorcycle without the handlebars =P
Iroquois14 1 year ago
the hardest topic to explain very good job of it
67kneil 1 year ago
Its true I think all bikers do it, I've only licensed a maybe 2 years and as my confidence grew I noticed myself counter steering on nice twistys
Thanks for sharing
markbeermonster 1 year ago
If you pay attention to the steering head, you should notice that it turns in the direction you lean even though you are pushing the other way.
The dynamics are actually pretty interesting mathematically. And surprisingly complex.
Fudmottin 1 year ago