i am a 1st dan black belt from shitoryu and 4th dan black belt from shorin ryu kodokan karate. when my first grading in shito ryu this was pinan shodan. but in many junior tournments some people did as pinan nidan and some of them as pinan shodan. really confusing, so really this is pinan shodan or pinan nidan?.
this is unbelievable, how u got 6th dan at the age of 17!!!!!!!!!!! i think at least 16 years needed for going 6th dan after black belt. so u got black belt at the age of 1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???
@CacoalShitoRyu Este, que es shodan(aunque algunos les cambian el nombre entre shodan y nidan), es el primero de los 5 katas.
En parte de ahí que no entienda que algunos confunfan shodan con nidan, llamar "segundo" al primero katas, o "primero" al segundo no tiene mucho sentido.
@midgarzolon Pero que tonto eres. En shito ryu este kata se llama Pinan Nidan (originalmente Heian Nidan), asi aparece en el libro Invitación al Karate-Do de Genwa Nakasone y Kenwa Mabuni, libro que el actual soke y hijo del fundador, Mabuni Kenei, afirma haber utilizado como libro de cabecera toda su vida.
Respecto al orden, cito directamente del libro: "Existen cinco grados, Sodan, Nidan, Sandan, Yodan, Godan [...] Este orden (2-3-1-4-5) es el que seguiremos a lo largo de este libro.
@MORIel39 Dejando a parte tu impertinencia y falta de educación, y habiendolo visto unas veces mas, insisto. Esto es Sho-dan(o shodan, pero no sodan, menos mal que el tonto soy yo ^^), como bien dices el primero de los 5 katas, nombrados así por orden de complejidad (ichi-1, ni-2, san-3, shi-4, go-5), y el único en el que no se realizan movimientos de pie por el mismo motivo (es ilógico enseñar patada antes que a moverse correctamente).
Miraré el libro que comentas, me sorprendería tal error.
@midgarzolon Es cierto que me he excedido tildándote de tonto, mis disculpas, me ofendió tu seguridad para afirmar que tanta gente incurriera en un error, incluso sentenciando que no tenia sentido cometerlo.
Veo que no tienes costumbre de leer textos traducidos del japones. En estos se mantienen algunos términos traduciéndolo solo fonéticamente, asi pues, puedes encontrar los mismos términos escritos de diversa manera: Pinan Shodan-Sodan, Harai uke - barai uke, geri waza - keri waza.
@midgarzolon Que estilo de kárate practicas? Si es Shito ryu, deberías saber que Mabuni Kenwa es su fundador y que discutir lo que dice en Karate Do Nyu Mon, del que es coautor, es cuanto menos impetuoso.
Tu dato sobre el orden de complejidad no es correcto. El orden de los grados que estableces es el que utilizaba Itotzu en Shuri-te, pero los maestros de karate posteriores alteraron el orden en que los enseñaban porque consideraban que la dificultad no era progresiva.
@poketrainer84 That is depending on styles. In my style its kihon kata after that pinan shodan (meaning pinan number one), pinan nidan (two) and pinan sandan(three) I might be wrong but thats how I got it.
@hsh31 Yes, this is the same as heian nidan in shotokan. Gichin funakoshi sensei changed it when he changed the name. Depending on what organization you are with in shito ryu. Such as, hayashi ha, calls these heian like in shotokan. But there original name is pinan
Some styles do this as shodan, others as nidan. I have an idea that the numbers were reversed at some stage because this was an easier kata to learn first. Our style calls it pinan nidan.
@Gruwy10 Originally this was called Pinan Nidan and was practiced after Pinan Shodan. These days it is common to practice Nidan first and Shodan second but most shito ryu and wado ryu dojos will keep their original names. Meaning they'll call this Pinan Nidan. When Funakoshi changed their names from Pinan to Heian in Shotokan he also swapped the names of Nidan and Shodan around so that the first kata was called Heian Shodan. Many dojos in other styles followed suit. Many didn't.
In response. BOOOOOO... which means wrong here in Japan. I live in Japan Mr. pocket trainer. I got the info from the source "Headquarters located in Asaka City in Japan " you can ask my 8th degree teacher if you would like though...
100% correct ! I study Shito Ryu at the Headquarters located in Asaka City in Japan,close to Tokyo....In response to...Originally this was called Pinan Nidan and was practiced after Pinan Shodan. These days it is common to...
Oh I see what you ask about that move, and yep, it looks weird/bad.
I think he should make his Sico Dachi lower, because he looks almost like standing normally.
Sico Dachi (as It was tought to me) is with butt at or almost at your knees level, feet pointed in 45 degrees, straight back. Well done, the position gives you a strong stance, try it out yourself :D
I'm an old student of shotokan...Brown 1 (one more exam for black). I kinda disagree with ur katas... kumite might be gud, but katas are showy more than practical...kiais are used for increasing power... The cat stance is too short... even for defence and at the last part, what is that cutting down motion? No opponents that stupid to come so near...
Hi, I did this kata many times and what I know is this:
That cutting down motion is called chuto barai ( sweep with chuto, chuto is the side part of your hand opposed to the thumb).
In conjunction with the position he makes (sico dachi), it's a defensive movement intended to block or decieve a kick directed to your crotch or stomach. Althoug, this is a kata for the first levels, so could be to teach a more practical move later.
They have much more than one for every belt. There are tons of them, for example my sensei requires that we know all of our previous kata and 3 more advanced kata for our black belt.
in wado we go from the jun zuki to a short cat stance and we hold for a second than do a yohan nukite in a shika dachi stance. is that just the differences in shito from wado? I thought if pinan nidan should be the same in every style right?
P.Nidan is indeed different in Shito and Wado (mostly the last part you've wrote about, and then the downward/outside deflection after gedan barai is done with lots of variations). Fortunately, it is one of the LEAST messed-across-different-styles pinan kata (check out sandan)
I, for one am glad he moves so deliberately in this video. This Kata is called many different things depending on the type of Karate you are learning.
i agree with u he's like a robot no emotion when u do these katas u should have an anger emotion plus there are no "eiai" its not "kiai" i thought tht as well good until my first brown belt until when a couple of the people class were arguing and my sensei told us the correct one and it is "eiai"
Since when "should" a martial artist go through his forms with anger? If someone's truly mastered his craft, he should flow through his forms with ease, and not "anger" and unnecessary struggle.
Also, what significance does "eiai" vs" kiai" hold? Is one really "right" and the other useless?
As for the video itself: it's shown for instructional purposes. If he was running through it quickly or screaming through every move, it would distract from the techniques being used.
I with you man. the reason for karate and all martial arts is to find a peace within oneself and learning to fight with skill, cunning, and understanding. being angry will blind a person and make them unable to truly face a opponent and win.
The word in Japanese is "kiai." Everyone's kiai is a little different. And anger doesn't help at all. A real martial artist keeps a cool head and thinks when he fights.
@PraiseDivineMercy No, the point of fighting is to react. You're not supposed to be thinking about what you're doing and just do it. Anger should not affect any thought put into technique because there should not be any thought in the first place. Good technique won't be affected no matter what the emotional state. A good kiai is a good exhale, not emotional state.
That's incorrect. There should not be any emotion involved with it. Only focus. And the kiais you are supposed to show your "hata"? I think it is? Correct me if that's the incorrect word or spelling. But your hata shows your spirit, your focus, and your determination. Not anger.
the version im taught we put a deeper shikodachi stance in at the end of pinan nidan (and as i commented on pinan shodan, depending on the organisation really depends if this is pinan nidan or shodan, the version of pinan shodan that uses this kata as i trained for waz using south west and south east angles at the start, but now the katas r performed on the normal north east south west angles and not so much the tangents (except near the ends of the katas). This is the major differences! ^_^
Your shiko dachi should be completely balanced. So you're in the exact middle of your balance both horizontally and veritcally. If you want to test your stance have someone that weighs slightly more than you come and stand on your legs while you're holding a strong stance. If you're too high he'll slip, if you're too low you'll crumble under his weight. ^.^ Just a helpful tip.
pinan shodan is the first kata and this is the second but we started learning this first ^^ OmG im gonna cry! his punches and sword strikes (They r sord strikes right?) r like friggen amazing! ^.^' god i get it im a whiste belt but holey crap! I dont think ill ever to this right!
That's not true. You have three stances that you'll often see in shitoryu karate (Although there are more) which is your cat stance, forward stance, and "sumo stance" as I've found easiest to call them and have others understand. Your cat stance should be short, tight, and defensive, your forward stance I would hope is obvious, forward but still balanced like how you would push a car, your sumo stance should be completely balanced for every side, it's good for holding and throwing other people.
Kiais are often used at when one feels like they are most necessary and often varies much upon the sensei and style being taught. Although, I believe for this video they purposely lack it because of this factor and for demonstrative purposes. =)
graded yesterday for yellow stripe (shukokai karate) and Pinan nidan was my Kata. It looked slightly different, especially the horse stand in the end and the cat stand at the beginning but I do like how powerful this one sounded.
bueno, es que segUn entiendo shito ryu utiliza la notaciOn okinawese (pinan) ya que el estilo es de alla, mientras que shotokan (mi estilo) usa la japonesa (heian), al rato es algo de tu sensei... pura vida
ah, pinan nidan, the first kata i ever learned, when i was 11 i think. ok, i varied a lil from the one shown here, we had two hits more, but that's a bout that.
cool to see the old stuff again, almost forgot about that!
One thing that is different about shito-ryu compared to other karate styles is the stances in the kata, they are higher - more like kumite. This kata is a good shito-ryu kata. However I miss the kiai! I was away from practise during one year (22 years ago) and when I came back Pinan/Heian 1 and 2 had swapped. I have never asked why.
I have recently begun learning Karate, and I'm doing Shito-Ryu. This is the 2nd Kata that I have to learn (first being Shihosanshiki) and Sensei explained that Pinan ni (meaning 2/second)-dan is taught before the first one because it is simpler (there may be other reasons, but I'm not aware of them) and so easier for beginners to grasp.
Shito ryu, is one of the major karate schools of Japan, Shito is a name given by a Okinawan, Sensei Kenwa Mabuni which is taken from the surname of his two teachers.
Ryu means school. There are excellent references on the net or preferably research from a world renown historian Sensei Patrick McCarthy.
I called this kata Pinan Shodan, in other parts of the world it will be Pinan Nidan but where I live it has been always the Pinan Shodan, I know that there is enough difference between they, though not the why of which in a site it calls of a form and in other one site of other form... This Kata was the second one that I me learned and I think that it is more difficult that other one... Is only a observation ^^
Shito-ryu had been most often described as a combination of Shotokan and Goju-ryu. It is also generally known that its teachers utilize formal exercises (kata) from many Okinawan sources. Unfortunately, such explanations fail to adequately describe just what Shito-ryu really is.
wow ive had a lot of time off training and im trying to remember all of te katas i am 2nd Dan and i still need to recap on the Nidan katas i feel so ashamed!!!!
I agree, I went to a World Tournament in Japan last year and we were taught that in this Kata your long stances should be clearly different from your normal front stance, watching this vid i noticed that the guy doesn't really go low with this LFS
@Me3330 won nationals with many pinan kata so i shud hav been up 2 scratch!! but i have been training quite a bit since that last comment, taking my fourth dan next year, cross fingers! hows ur training goin may i ask?
I just got my 2 stripes for my orange belt. I can do this better than he did. yes, his technique was flawless, but he forgot something very important, until he did the scorotch knife-hand, he didn't look once!
he missed out two moves the yodan 1 and yodan 2 actually i live in britain so it might be different if you live in england to look up bob taylor his my teacher best ever
This is the kata i am doing for orange belt. This is a great example, though missing the kia, and i feel like his knife hand block stance was not low enough at the end. All in all a great performance.
dont worry its easy i got it 2 years a go wot you need to worry about is pin shodan its so confusin i only just made it youl have that 4 your blue or purple im brown
my sensei says that we got to get down in nekoashi dashi as more as we can; but he is very small and it's easy for him to keep that position steady, but not for me, i am not so tall but not so small, but it's hard for me to do it well.
I think he has very nice Arm technics, but take a look at his stand. That should be Zenkutsu-Dachi and Sanchin-Dachi. I thinks its too high. But this is Pinan Nidan from the Shiro Ryu Karate.
this is pinan nidan. taking shito ryu karate at my college now. my sensei learned from sensei fumio demura when demura first came to this country from japan. this is nidan.
thing is that they revert it since this kata is easier than Pinan Shodan and therefore it is better for beginners to learn this one first. (Shodan and Nidan actually mean First and Second afaik)
some shito ryu schools call it pinan shodan. while other deviated branches of shito ryu call it pinan nidan. some senseis swop the order of the kata numbers. dunno why lolz....
I have recently begun learning Karate, and I'm doing Shito-Ryu. This is the 2nd Kata that I have to learn (first being Shihosanshiki) and Sensei explained that Pinan ni (meaning 2/second)-dan is taught before the first one because it is simpler (there may be other reasons, but I'm not aware of them) and so easier for beginners to grasp.
Shorin- Ryu is kindda diferent ;)
fearlesslion100 1 month ago
i am a 1st dan black belt from shitoryu and 4th dan black belt from shorin ryu kodokan karate. when my first grading in shito ryu this was pinan shodan. but in many junior tournments some people did as pinan nidan and some of them as pinan shodan. really confusing, so really this is pinan shodan or pinan nidan?.
MrAjithmanjoor 5 months ago
@MrAjithmanjoor On Shito Ryu it's called Pinan Nidan , as it appears on Karate Do Nyu Mon, from Genwa Nakasone and Kenwa Mabuni.
MORIel39 1 month ago
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MrAjithmanjoor 5 months ago
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MrAjithmanjoor 5 months ago
Goodness me i am on Chatanyara no Kushanku (6th Dan) and i have forgotten all the basics. Time to freshen up my memory :)
MrSnazzyness 7 months ago
@MrSnazzyness
you're on 6th dan with 17 years old. When you started training karate, in other life?
extremduke 7 months ago
@extremduke He is not 17 he is 42 he is my uncle. I am 17
MrSnazzyness 7 months ago
this is unbelievable, how u got 6th dan at the age of 17!!!!!!!!!!! i think at least 16 years needed for going 6th dan after black belt. so u got black belt at the age of 1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???
MrAjithmanjoor 5 months ago
wow this is awesome and plus this is the kata i am on right now
vampgirl12341 8 months ago
thata like the easiest on of them all
ps360dudette 9 months ago
It's not easy to move a feet with the same hand side...
lepivert 10 months ago
Very stupidly i learned Pinan Shodan before learning this one and all i need to grade is nidan, silly.
AdamusUmbra 10 months ago
@AdamusUmbra So you got seriously hurt by learning Pinan Shodan first, right?
eisbombenhagel 2 months ago
esto es otra linea de shito... los katas son en otra ordem
CacoalShitoRyu 11 months ago
@CacoalShitoRyu Este, que es shodan(aunque algunos les cambian el nombre entre shodan y nidan), es el primero de los 5 katas.
En parte de ahí que no entienda que algunos confunfan shodan con nidan, llamar "segundo" al primero katas, o "primero" al segundo no tiene mucho sentido.
midgarzolon 5 months ago
@midgarzolon Pero que tonto eres. En shito ryu este kata se llama Pinan Nidan (originalmente Heian Nidan), asi aparece en el libro Invitación al Karate-Do de Genwa Nakasone y Kenwa Mabuni, libro que el actual soke y hijo del fundador, Mabuni Kenei, afirma haber utilizado como libro de cabecera toda su vida.
Respecto al orden, cito directamente del libro: "Existen cinco grados, Sodan, Nidan, Sandan, Yodan, Godan [...] Este orden (2-3-1-4-5) es el que seguiremos a lo largo de este libro.
MORIel39 1 month ago
@MORIel39 Dejando a parte tu impertinencia y falta de educación, y habiendolo visto unas veces mas, insisto. Esto es Sho-dan(o shodan, pero no sodan, menos mal que el tonto soy yo ^^), como bien dices el primero de los 5 katas, nombrados así por orden de complejidad (ichi-1, ni-2, san-3, shi-4, go-5), y el único en el que no se realizan movimientos de pie por el mismo motivo (es ilógico enseñar patada antes que a moverse correctamente).
Miraré el libro que comentas, me sorprendería tal error.
midgarzolon 4 weeks ago
@midgarzolon Es cierto que me he excedido tildándote de tonto, mis disculpas, me ofendió tu seguridad para afirmar que tanta gente incurriera en un error, incluso sentenciando que no tenia sentido cometerlo.
Veo que no tienes costumbre de leer textos traducidos del japones. En estos se mantienen algunos términos traduciéndolo solo fonéticamente, asi pues, puedes encontrar los mismos términos escritos de diversa manera: Pinan Shodan-Sodan, Harai uke - barai uke, geri waza - keri waza.
MORIel39 3 weeks ago
@midgarzolon Que estilo de kárate practicas? Si es Shito ryu, deberías saber que Mabuni Kenwa es su fundador y que discutir lo que dice en Karate Do Nyu Mon, del que es coautor, es cuanto menos impetuoso.
Tu dato sobre el orden de complejidad no es correcto. El orden de los grados que estableces es el que utilizaba Itotzu en Shuri-te, pero los maestros de karate posteriores alteraron el orden en que los enseñaban porque consideraban que la dificultad no era progresiva.
MORIel39 3 weeks ago
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CacoalShitoRyu 11 months ago
Thank you for this video!!!! This kata has given me trouble, and I need to learn it for my yellow belt test this month....thanks!!!
FeliciaMirage 11 months ago
es pidan shodan,no pidan nidan
AlphaCanidae 1 year ago
Oh Shit! I am going to do this on wednesday!
sill567 1 year ago
@sill567 don't worry, it's a piece of cake ;)
PassionForHisWord 1 year ago
@PassionForHisWord Yes! I made it!
sill567 1 year ago
@sill567 good job!
PassionForHisWord 1 year ago
No kiai's?
PassionForHisWord 1 year ago
@PassionForHisWord Yeah! Thats wierd!
sill567 1 year ago
why i do the same kata and i get 5.6 point and my friend do it really bad and get 5.9 and i lose =( that sucks...
AXOL58 1 year ago
@AXOL58 probably 'cause you sucks =p
235jerry 1 year ago
@235jerry wow nice help stupid
AXOL58 1 year ago
where is his kiai?
lanothebest 1 year ago
en shito ryu no se llamaba heian nidan?
rocketfrako00o 1 year ago
@rocketfrako00o en mi escuela lo conocemos como heian nidan
LuukazDK 1 year ago
venga chino y tu eres negro tu lo que eres es gilipollas esto es pinan shodan y te lo dice un amarilo retrasado
outme23 1 year ago
i just learnt this im red belt XD
billybobongames 1 year ago
this is pinan shodan
Danicsz 1 year ago
is this heian nidan?? im lost ! i switched from shotokan to shito ryu
hsh31 1 year ago
@hsh31 this is the second kata in shito-ryu its after kihon kata
deathmetal9842 1 year ago
@deathmetal9842 It's actually the third kata. The one aftef kihon kata is called pinan chodan.
Thyretify 1 year ago
@Thyretify
no its actualy called taikioko shodan
poketrainer84 1 year ago
@poketrainer84 That is depending on styles. In my style its kihon kata after that pinan shodan (meaning pinan number one), pinan nidan (two) and pinan sandan(three) I might be wrong but thats how I got it.
Thyretify 1 year ago
@hsh31 Yes, this is the same as heian nidan in shotokan. Gichin funakoshi sensei changed it when he changed the name. Depending on what organization you are with in shito ryu. Such as, hayashi ha, calls these heian like in shotokan. But there original name is pinan
sepai40 1 year ago
in every move he is suposed to shout HUS!!!
zx7gp 1 year ago
Thats pinan shodan lol..
Gruwy10 1 year ago
@Gruwy10 it isnt ;)
Thekapstok 1 year ago
@Thekapstok No it is. I found out that Pinan Nidan and shodan were name exchanged. SO THIS IS Pinan Shodan.
Gruwy10 1 year ago
@Gruwy10 not anymore ;)
Thekapstok 1 year ago
@Thekapstok what the hell! When i had an blue belt exam i did this kata as pinan shodan!
Gruwy10 1 year ago
@Gruwy10 this is like 6th kyu
Thekapstok 1 year ago
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Gruwy10 1 year ago
@Gruwy10
Some styles do this as shodan, others as nidan. I have an idea that the numbers were reversed at some stage because this was an easier kata to learn first. Our style calls it pinan nidan.
Toshinkai1 1 year ago
@Toshinkai1 Im from Jyoshinmon so its pinan shodan in our club.
Gruwy10 1 year ago
@Gruwy10 Originally this was called Pinan Nidan and was practiced after Pinan Shodan. These days it is common to practice Nidan first and Shodan second but most shito ryu and wado ryu dojos will keep their original names. Meaning they'll call this Pinan Nidan. When Funakoshi changed their names from Pinan to Heian in Shotokan he also swapped the names of Nidan and Shodan around so that the first kata was called Heian Shodan. Many dojos in other styles followed suit. Many didn't.
TheNishido 1 year ago
@TheNishido 100% correct amigo! I study Shito Ryu at the Headquarters located in Asaka City in Japan which is close to Tokyo.
ninjamaho 1 year ago
@ninjamaho
no, its actualy called taikioko shodan
poketrainer84 1 year ago
@poketrainer84 ,no, its actualy called taikioko shodan
In response. BOOOOOO... which means wrong here in Japan. I live in Japan Mr. pocket trainer. I got the info from the source "Headquarters located in Asaka City in Japan " you can ask my 8th degree teacher if you would like though...
ninjamaho 1 year ago
100% correct amigo! I study Shito Ryu at the Headquarters located in Asaka City in Japan which is close to Tokyo.
ninjamaho 1 year ago
100% correct ! I study Shito Ryu at the Headquarters located in Asaka City in Japan,close to Tokyo....In response to...Originally this was called Pinan Nidan and was practiced after Pinan Shodan. These days it is common to...
ninjamaho 1 year ago
mi estilo es shito ryu y comunmente es heian pero su nombre antiguo es pinan
OSCARAZM 1 year ago
?¿ oh... en mi escuela este kata es pinan shodan y mi estilo es shito ryu...
KibaHinata97 1 year ago
@kaliman90- thanx... but still puzzled
Mangoose95 1 year ago
It was great I cheached and everything was right
saiflatifi 1 year ago
@mangoose95
Oh I see what you ask about that move, and yep, it looks weird/bad.
I think he should make his Sico Dachi lower, because he looks almost like standing normally.
Sico Dachi (as It was tought to me) is with butt at or almost at your knees level, feet pointed in 45 degrees, straight back. Well done, the position gives you a strong stance, try it out yourself :D
kaliman90 1 year ago
cool awesome
snehilsan 1 year ago
I'm old student too of shito ryu .....Black 1 dan :D...
you should move you head to the way you atack or defend.....the power is excelent and the speed too...nice exe :D
sergiumabuni 1 year ago
I'm an old student of shotokan...Brown 1 (one more exam for black). I kinda disagree with ur katas... kumite might be gud, but katas are showy more than practical...kiais are used for increasing power... The cat stance is too short... even for defence and at the last part, what is that cutting down motion? No opponents that stupid to come so near...
Mangoose95 2 years ago
@Mangoose95
Hi, I did this kata many times and what I know is this:
That cutting down motion is called chuto barai ( sweep with chuto, chuto is the side part of your hand opposed to the thumb).
In conjunction with the position he makes (sico dachi), it's a defensive movement intended to block or decieve a kick directed to your crotch or stomach. Althoug, this is a kata for the first levels, so could be to teach a more practical move later.
Hope it helped.
kaliman90 1 year ago
A ver, para empezar, eso es pinan shodan, y.......¿sabes lo que es un KIAI????(me parece que no...)
katsa1997 2 years ago
@katsa1997 Hahaha Pinan shodan? Entonces tu haces Shotokan porque solo alli estan canviados, y en el caso de que hagas shotokan no es pinan es heian.
Silkroad126 1 year ago
They have much more than one for every belt. There are tons of them, for example my sensei requires that we know all of our previous kata and 3 more advanced kata for our black belt.
Me3330 2 years ago
Pinan Nidan = Heian Shodan
Pinan Shodan = Heian Nidan
WarrenChu000 2 years ago
no, thats not true....!!!!!!!onononoonono
Pinan SHodan is nidan but do to his complex kata (its harder than the other) sometimes some tachers show shodan as nidan and nidan as shodan!!!
tinotrivino 2 years ago
in wado we go from the jun zuki to a short cat stance and we hold for a second than do a yohan nukite in a shika dachi stance. is that just the differences in shito from wado? I thought if pinan nidan should be the same in every style right?
ChicanoHispano 2 years ago
Nope... I've even seen differences among the same style. Don't worry about the individual moves but consider the meaning behind the techniques.
Shudoman 2 years ago
P.Nidan is indeed different in Shito and Wado (mostly the last part you've wrote about, and then the downward/outside deflection after gedan barai is done with lots of variations). Fortunately, it is one of the LEAST messed-across-different-styles pinan kata (check out sandan)
steyrmatch 2 years ago
Wrong. Pinans vary greatly from style to style.
aiepoposorp 2 years ago
what are those last steps called 0:38
emoxbioch 2 years ago
Disclaimer: I am a white belt.
The hand motions are called shuto uke gedan or lower knife-hand block.
The stance is called shika dachi or horse stance.
cyberfat 2 years ago
oh ok, I thought it was called Pinan block
emoxbioch 2 years ago
I, for one am glad he moves so deliberately in this video. This Kata is called many different things depending on the type of Karate you are learning.
worrisome1 2 years ago
But this is pinan shodan, not pinan nidan.
NotKira 2 years ago
Not in my dojo it isn't. This is nidan.
PraiseDivineMercy 2 years ago
lol like a wooden robot he should make long shikodachi and kiai
IronBrain147 2 years ago
i agree with u he's like a robot no emotion when u do these katas u should have an anger emotion plus there are no "eiai" its not "kiai" i thought tht as well good until my first brown belt until when a couple of the people class were arguing and my sensei told us the correct one and it is "eiai"
ihbo7 2 years ago
Since when "should" a martial artist go through his forms with anger? If someone's truly mastered his craft, he should flow through his forms with ease, and not "anger" and unnecessary struggle.
Also, what significance does "eiai" vs" kiai" hold? Is one really "right" and the other useless?
As for the video itself: it's shown for instructional purposes. If he was running through it quickly or screaming through every move, it would distract from the techniques being used.
Good vid imo
bnostoppingme 2 years ago
I with you man. the reason for karate and all martial arts is to find a peace within oneself and learning to fight with skill, cunning, and understanding. being angry will blind a person and make them unable to truly face a opponent and win.
ChicanoHispano 2 years ago 2
Wish I saw this reply earlier. Thanks; I'm glad there're others who understand that principle.
bnostoppingme 2 years ago
The word in Japanese is "kiai." Everyone's kiai is a little different. And anger doesn't help at all. A real martial artist keeps a cool head and thinks when he fights.
PraiseDivineMercy 2 years ago
@PraiseDivineMercy No, the point of fighting is to react. You're not supposed to be thinking about what you're doing and just do it. Anger should not affect any thought put into technique because there should not be any thought in the first place. Good technique won't be affected no matter what the emotional state. A good kiai is a good exhale, not emotional state.
justSalty 2 years ago
That's incorrect. There should not be any emotion involved with it. Only focus. And the kiais you are supposed to show your "hata"? I think it is? Correct me if that's the incorrect word or spelling. But your hata shows your spirit, your focus, and your determination. Not anger.
Me3330 2 years ago
the version im taught we put a deeper shikodachi stance in at the end of pinan nidan (and as i commented on pinan shodan, depending on the organisation really depends if this is pinan nidan or shodan, the version of pinan shodan that uses this kata as i trained for waz using south west and south east angles at the start, but now the katas r performed on the normal north east south west angles and not so much the tangents (except near the ends of the katas). This is the major differences! ^_^
gianttrials 2 years ago
Your shiko dachi should be completely balanced. So you're in the exact middle of your balance both horizontally and veritcally. If you want to test your stance have someone that weighs slightly more than you come and stand on your legs while you're holding a strong stance. If you're too high he'll slip, if you're too low you'll crumble under his weight. ^.^ Just a helpful tip.
Me3330 2 years ago
pinan shodan is the first kata and this is the second but we started learning this first ^^ OmG im gonna cry! his punches and sword strikes (They r sord strikes right?) r like friggen amazing! ^.^' god i get it im a whiste belt but holey crap! I dont think ill ever to this right!
kurmis94 2 years ago
Believe me you will. Train hard and you will =]
aiepoposorp 2 years ago
It's called a spear hand or ikitae I believe? Spelling is probably incorrect. And it just takes practice mate.
Me3330 2 years ago
like wooden like tree
bloodfury5 2 years ago
It should be long stances in the Pinan katas......
jensg 2 years ago
That's not true. You have three stances that you'll often see in shitoryu karate (Although there are more) which is your cat stance, forward stance, and "sumo stance" as I've found easiest to call them and have others understand. Your cat stance should be short, tight, and defensive, your forward stance I would hope is obvious, forward but still balanced like how you would push a car, your sumo stance should be completely balanced for every side, it's good for holding and throwing other people.
Me3330 2 years ago
nice but more energy
thas what my sensei says
ELCHAFLAN 2 years ago
I believe he keeps the kata simple for demonstrative purposes
Me3330 2 years ago
y el kiai
donde quedo??
ma5oner 2 years ago
Ya..kiai on the three supposed punch blocks were absent, and they were just regular puches. His up block couldn't stop a falling branch.
Still don't see many of these guys looking before they start their turns..id have a fist of fury waiting.
Renderedtext 2 years ago
that is pidan nidan if you whant to know and that is coming for yellow belt testit is not pidan sodan
Fireforce13 2 years ago
hey loser you are doing that kata wrong
Fireforce13 2 years ago
lolx, that was pinan šodan, he was like a robot
Techh76 2 years ago
Este kata no es el pinan Nidan, es el Pinan Shodan. Al menos en Goju-Ryu
22nov61 2 years ago
gay.
spankerius 2 years ago
Todays Special effects ;P
Nicoiscoolye 2 years ago
Excellent, but where the hell are the kiai?? Meant to be one at 0:23 and 0:35.
JackDaniels267 3 years ago
Kiais are often used at when one feels like they are most necessary and often varies much upon the sensei and style being taught. Although, I believe for this video they purposely lack it because of this factor and for demonstrative purposes. =)
Me3330 2 years ago
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wakipore 3 years ago
graded yesterday for yellow stripe (shukokai karate) and Pinan nidan was my Kata. It looked slightly different, especially the horse stand in the end and the cat stand at the beginning but I do like how powerful this one sounded.
Omikron404 3 years ago
porque tan altas las posiciones?
JosefaXcreep 3 years ago
when do you use kiah in this kata for shito-ryu genbu kai? After the three up-blocks?
Geoff 3 years ago
kihon kataaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Angel2092 3 years ago
este es el kata pinan o heian shodan del estilo de karate syto ryu
Fdo. 18543 federación madrileña de Kárate karateka de cinturón marron con 11 años de experiencia
bhcec 3 years ago
How many kata'a do Shito ryu have?
ISD782 3 years ago
k mal a exo esta kata viva el kuro.obi
jorgitounionero 3 years ago
Its Pinan Shodan
Este es el Pinan Shodan
Javiiyu 3 years ago
no si es Pinan Nidan de Shito Ryu
Gokubabo 3 years ago
ke no se llama Heian Nidan??
delgadoagz 3 years ago
ke pagliacciata
88baron88 3 years ago
... O.o mmmm io esta me la stoe aprendiendo pero se iama Heian Nidan D: xDD
i wish i could do the movements more faster.. xDD
Lechxim 3 years ago
es porque tu estilo es shoto kan, y esta kata es de shito ryu
novocrk 3 years ago
de hecho mi estilo es Shito Ryu.... O.o
Karate do-Shito Ryu... O.O?
Lechxim 3 years ago
bueno, es que segUn entiendo shito ryu utiliza la notaciOn okinawese (pinan) ya que el estilo es de alla, mientras que shotokan (mi estilo) usa la japonesa (heian), al rato es algo de tu sensei... pura vida
novocrk 3 years ago
shotokan lo llama heian,en itosu kai lo llamamos piñan,lo principal no es hacerlo rápido sino con potencia al terminar el movimiento,saludos.
La15chivo 3 years ago
yo aun no me se pinan shodan xD
HiperShadow58 3 years ago
I do Shotokan Karate, can someone please explain the difference between Shotokan and Shito-Ryu Karate please.
us93cgmc 3 years ago
shito ryu it´s okinawan,search in google you can find everything.
La15chivo 3 years ago
its actually supposed to be the form after Pinan Shodan. why they do that I dont know!
rebornchildss 3 years ago
ah, pinan nidan, the first kata i ever learned, when i was 11 i think. ok, i varied a lil from the one shown here, we had two hits more, but that's a bout that.
cool to see the old stuff again, almost forgot about that!
finnmephisto 3 years ago
Nidan¿?
jocarosanchez 3 years ago
One thing that is different about shito-ryu compared to other karate styles is the stances in the kata, they are higher - more like kumite. This kata is a good shito-ryu kata. However I miss the kiai! I was away from practise during one year (22 years ago) and when I came back Pinan/Heian 1 and 2 had swapped. I have never asked why.
brombyk 3 years ago
I have recently begun learning Karate, and I'm doing Shito-Ryu. This is the 2nd Kata that I have to learn (first being Shihosanshiki) and Sensei explained that Pinan ni (meaning 2/second)-dan is taught before the first one because it is simpler (there may be other reasons, but I'm not aware of them) and so easier for beginners to grasp.
FutureCascade 2 years ago
SatvaDust
Shito ryu, is one of the major karate schools of Japan, Shito is a name given by a Okinawan, Sensei Kenwa Mabuni which is taken from the surname of his two teachers.
Ryu means school. There are excellent references on the net or preferably research from a world renown historian Sensei Patrick McCarthy.
wirihana66 3 years ago
ryu means style .....jeez
chibilarry 3 years ago
School and style are synonymous. a "Style" can be considered a "School of Thought". You are splitting hairs. Jeez :P
davefarber 3 years ago
I called this kata Pinan Shodan, in other parts of the world it will be Pinan Nidan but where I live it has been always the Pinan Shodan, I know that there is enough difference between they, though not the why of which in a site it calls of a form and in other one site of other form... This Kata was the second one that I me learned and I think that it is more difficult that other one... Is only a observation ^^
Neksain 4 years ago
This was my first kata, I love it...
lepivert 4 years ago
Shito-ryu had been most often described as a combination of Shotokan and Goju-ryu. It is also generally known that its teachers utilize formal exercises (kata) from many Okinawan sources. Unfortunately, such explanations fail to adequately describe just what Shito-ryu really is.
CCBRFTATTHFF 4 years ago
wow ive had a lot of time off training and im trying to remember all of te katas i am 2nd Dan and i still need to recap on the Nidan katas i feel so ashamed!!!!
bethanyanthony 4 years ago
My sensei (4th Dan) tells us it takes long after your black belt to master any pinan kata, so I think you're alright.
Me3330 2 years ago
I agree, I went to a World Tournament in Japan last year and we were taught that in this Kata your long stances should be clearly different from your normal front stance, watching this vid i noticed that the guy doesn't really go low with this LFS
Zer0systm 1 year ago
@Me3330 won nationals with many pinan kata so i shud hav been up 2 scratch!! but i have been training quite a bit since that last comment, taking my fourth dan next year, cross fingers! hows ur training goin may i ask?
bethanyanthony 11 months ago
Well in Shotokan it's opposite
And they are called Heian
CCBRFTATTHFF 4 years ago
This is Shodan not Nidan
CCBRFTATTHFF 4 years ago
is nidan, shito-ryu style
chibilarry 3 years ago
nidan man, nidan
chibilarry 3 years ago
I just got my 2 stripes for my orange belt. I can do this better than he did. yes, his technique was flawless, but he forgot something very important, until he did the scorotch knife-hand, he didn't look once!
Biomajor2006 4 years ago
yeah, I noticed that he didn't look while doing the kata.
To me, it looks like they are deliberately very casual about it and are focusing only on the major movements.
Talis29 4 years ago
good
NuMaWi 4 years ago
he missed out two moves the yodan 1 and yodan 2 actually i live in britain so it might be different if you live in england to look up bob taylor his my teacher best ever
animeking112 4 years ago
In dento mabuni shito ryu, Kenei mabuni line's, is Pinan Nidan, it's OK. It have the old name.
orbelus 4 years ago
Hm...... His front-stance isn't consistant throughout the kata......
MonsterMashKiller 4 years ago
in Wado-Ryu, the style I am learning, this is called Pinan Shodan. In case you wanted to know.
awesomeninjahacker 4 years ago
This is the kata i am doing for orange belt. This is a great example, though missing the kia, and i feel like his knife hand block stance was not low enough at the end. All in all a great performance.
rockinthepearl 4 years ago
dont worry its easy i got it 2 years a go wot you need to worry about is pin shodan its so confusin i only just made it youl have that 4 your blue or purple im brown
animeking112 4 years ago
Im really confused. every time i look for pinan nidan its always pinan shodan but its just labeled pinan nidan
inoshikacho9 4 years ago
i am prety sure that kata is pinan nidan.
yubuko 4 years ago
yes it is
animeking112 4 years ago
i feel his stance is a little short :\
Maybe if he stretched his leg a little wider apart his punches would have more power ..... :)
xYouRockMyLilWorldx 4 years ago
This was an great video of pinan nidan. The only thing that was missing was kia. 5 out of 5.
DagAreHalland 4 years ago
This was my first kata, but my hands were high on the last few moves and not low.
JoshLucas5 4 years ago
this is pinan shodan in my style... pinan nidan is pinan shodan @_@ confusing
Xfactorlight 4 years ago
in mine too :P
CuRRoiDe 4 years ago
this is the first kata i ever learned. On yellow belt. I took exam for that to reach the orange belt :P
AgentSmithPRO 4 years ago
I take Shorin Ryu Okinawan Karate-Do. Pinan Nidan is the same in my style xcept in the end, I use neko dache.
b4b3lov3r 4 years ago
i learned it but we call it heian ni-dan why??? oh and im in shito ryu to
killer429 4 years ago
Pinan is the okinawan way to say Heian (japanese).
DonJandroTiroLoko 4 years ago
vice versa actually...small technicality lol
kempobrad 4 years ago
my sensei says that we got to get down in nekoashi dashi as more as we can; but he is very small and it's easy for him to keep that position steady, but not for me, i am not so tall but not so small, but it's hard for me to do it well.
wm1983 4 years ago
it looks like pinan nidan. we're learning it in class, but he stands when he does his punches.
Biomajor2006 4 years ago
I think he has very nice Arm technics, but take a look at his stand. That should be Zenkutsu-Dachi and Sanchin-Dachi. I thinks its too high. But this is Pinan Nidan from the Shiro Ryu Karate.
FennyBuck 4 years ago
this is pinan nidan. taking shito ryu karate at my college now. my sensei learned from sensei fumio demura when demura first came to this country from japan. this is nidan.
ibanezgirl27 4 years ago
thing is that they revert it since this kata is easier than Pinan Shodan and therefore it is better for beginners to learn this one first. (Shodan and Nidan actually mean First and Second afaik)
Yorii 4 years ago
this is pinan nidan. taking karate at my college. my sensei learned from sensei fumio demura when demura first came here from japan. this is nidan.
ibanezgirl27 4 years ago
some shito ryu schools call it pinan shodan. while other deviated branches of shito ryu call it pinan nidan. some senseis swop the order of the kata numbers. dunno why lolz....
yurnero85 4 years ago
I have recently begun learning Karate, and I'm doing Shito-Ryu. This is the 2nd Kata that I have to learn (first being Shihosanshiki) and Sensei explained that Pinan ni (meaning 2/second)-dan is taught before the first one because it is simpler (there may be other reasons, but I'm not aware of them) and so easier for beginners to grasp.
FutureCascade 2 years ago