1812 was a failed war of US conquest. Madison's goal was the annexation of Canada including the final expulsion of all Brit presence from the continent. "Mere matter of marching" ring any bells? To be victorious, all we had to do was boot you out of Canada. This proved remarkably easy, even though we were horribly outnumbered & faced huge logistical barriers. It was NEVER GB's intention to retake her former 13 colonies, only to defeat Boney & defend Canada, hence our victory.
"In a relatively rare admission for an American scholar, a leading US historian who authored a provocative new tome about North American military conflicts states bluntly that Canada won the War of 1812.Johns Hopkins University professor E Cohen, a senior adviser to former US secretary of state C Rice, writes in his just-published book Conquered Into Liberty that, “ultimately, Canada and Canadians won the War of 1812.”
“If the conquest of Canada had not been an American objective when the war began, it surely had become such shortly after it opened,” Cohen argues in the book. “Not only did the colony remain intact: It had acquired heroes, British and French, and a narrative of plucky defence against foreign invasion, that helped carry it to nationhood.” - Eliot Cohen, eminent US historian.
The book also echoes a key message trumpeted by the fed Conservative government in recent weeks as it unveiled ambitious plans to commemorate the bicentennial of the War of 1812 over the next 3 years: that the successful fight by British, English, French-Canadian & First Nations allies to resist would-be American conquerors (battles such as Queenston Heights and Chateauguay) set the stage for the creation of a unified and independent Canada a half-century later.
Now, more than ever, even American historians (including D Hickey, E Cohen, P Wilder, J Eisenhower et al) are finally admitting what we've always known - the War of 1812 was nothing but an American debacle.
american did well but it must be said that the British won the war of 1812 yes america stopped the British but they failed in the taking of Canada which was there main goal
@Knightrider9091 Many goal of the British was also to take land from the US i come from the frontlines of where the war was fought and 100% American victory.
@TheIceman567 sorry i'm confused what do you mean you agreeing with my point that Britain won? yes america kept it's lands but Britain didn't wont to take control of america as they sign the treaty which they got a better deal than the america's did, but the whole war started as america thought they could take Canada easily. Also the president of america at the time said that if he new the British were going to defeat napoleon so quickly they would not of started the war with Britain
@Knightrider9091 No where you are wrong Britain wanted to take northern Maine which they called New Ireland And wanted to take northern Minnesota. But after Baltimore and Plattsburgh and Sackett's Harbor. The British new the war was not one they could win. The US even showed up the Royal Navy and cause insurance prices to go up at the admiralty. And also rased British war dept as to why they came to us in 1813 looking for peace.
@TheIceman567 you america had been beaten out of Canada yes Britain did not get all of its objectives but you lost more mean and did not manage as many of your objectives as the British did. we still had Canada you didn't and after the war you economy was effect as was some northern states and your capital. that why Britain won the war of 1812, and if anything watching this video should have proved it to you. Yes Britain did not get everything they wonted but they did better than america
@Knightrider9091 facts? you just stated a shit load of speculations. Wellington's brother in law was killed at New Orleans...the Royal Navy lost 3 frigates in 4 months...such a loss rate never happened in 14 yrs of previous naval warfare with France.
At Plattsburg, the British force outnumbered the Americans 5 to 1 and never crossed the lake in the intented invasion since a few USN sloops controlled it.
10,000 men were simply called off. And we burned York down and won more battle.
@Knightrider9091 The USA Won the war Impressment stopped US free trade went on. And we got fishing right in the gulf of St. Lawrence. And the British attacked America and outnumber the US most of the time and were driving' back. eye for an eye. Since the US got what it wanted from ghent it was an American victory. sorry old chum facts are facts.
@TheIceman567 you got your facts wrong mate even the president of america at the time said that he wouldn't of attack Britain if he new they would be finished in Europe so quickly. yes you may of defended your country but it was at great cost to your navy and your economy and your country
@Knightrider9091 So to Britain as well. That's why on November 4 ,1813 British Prime Minister Lord Castlereagh offered to negotiate a peace treaty with Madison. Tells you something about the War.
@TheIceman567 no Britain did not say anything like the president or america did, also it was the american president which started the treaty talks, also in the war america lost more casualties than Britain in the war. American failed in there main objective take Canada Britain didn't in defending it and keeping america out and making you pay for it.
@Knightrider9091 We didn't pay for it to win a war you don't counter attack and claim a victory in that chase you lose by trying to invade America. And is 1812 Madison sent a peace for Britain you you tommies turned it down and on November 4 ,1813 British Prime Minister Lord Castlereagh offered to negotiate a peace treaty with Madison. Tells you something about the War. Helps to know your facts first kid.
@TheIceman567 ha ha i do no my facts but the point is you failed in your main objective and the main reason there was a war, which was america wonted Canada, Britain successful stopped america. Britain then attack 6 of your states and took control of your capital, yes you did fight back and stopped Britain but how can you call that a win?
@Knightrider9091 well first it" wanted" not "wonted" you just showed me a lot. Well you claim to know your fact i'd rethink your books you read. Because Britain never again messed with American shipping after the war And our goal war never to take over canada it was to draw out british troops but if you knew facts like you claim you'd know that. and rased british dept high that why the British PM came for peace
@TheIceman567 just cus i can't spell that means nothing, and if even said in this documentary that america wonted Canada as they wonted more land not to draw out the british troops as at the time 90% of them were in Europe fighting the french. you may of raised British debt but it also heavily affected your economy and you trading and after the war the British still had it's empire
@Knightrider9091 Yes. But to claim a victory you stop at your own border not cross it and then get your tail handed to you. But your spelling show's me your just a child. So i really can only take what you say as a joke since you've been wrong on lot's of things so far.
@trouzerpants thanks and ye just another american thinking they wont even though Britain defended Canada and attack there country and burned there capital
@TheIceman567 The war of 1812 was a draw, but if someone has to lose it was the US, for the simple reason that if you start a war and when it ends everything looks exactly as it did before the war started you have obviously lost.
@DanielHAkerman No we won the British tried to also invade the US if they wanted the win they would have just stop at the border but instead tried to invaded to US and lose and badly. you have obviously lost.
@TheIceman567 Britain did stop at the boarder called an Armistice & tried to make peace.
You negotiators demanded Canada & your armies launched assault after assault upon Canada until with no other choice Britain pulled troops out of Europe which had better things to do & sent them to raid your coastal cities.
You couldn't attack us anymore because all your troops were needed to defend.
Once it was your communities in flames then you wanted to talk peace.
@Eddythebeast666 So to Britain as well. That's why on November 4 ,1813 British Prime Minister Lord Castlereagh offered to negotiate a peace treaty with Madison. Tells you something about the War. Kid am i gonna have to burn you again?
@Eddythebeast666 And really this is why New Orleans happened and Baltimore and Plattsburgh? Seems to me the British crossed the border. And their goal was to take part of the louisiana by taking New Orleans know your facts kid.
@TheIceman567 Spain was an important British ally during the Napoleonic wars & they had a claim upon New Orleans which they had leased to France.
It did not belong to Napoleon any more then then the Native lands which he sold to the US.
Spain asked Britain for its return. Britain told them it was unlikely but would try.
The news that a British force was en-route caused the cities leadership to draw up plans of surrender but Jackson threatened to destroy the city himself & imprisoned leadership.
@Eddythebeast666 Yes and because of Spain being a British ally General James Wilkinson takes the Spanish fort of at Mobile in Alabama and occupies the region from Mobile to the Perdido River. AKA West Florida.
@TheIceman567 There was also the US/Spanish 1812 Patriot war where you invaded Florida & got your asses kicked. Your commanders scalp was presented to the Spanish governor there. You later had to pay Spain for the land you tried to steal.
What part of Britain being involved with a much more important war in Europe don't you understand?
The US was never more then a distraction. A buzzing fly that if it can be swatted that would be good but driven away works just as well.
@Eddythebeast666 Euh We didn't lose dumb dumb the The Patriot War went on till 1818 when the US under General Jackson took the land and after Spain Bitched about it we paid them around 15 million dollars for East Florida.
@Eddythebeast666 On 12 January 1814, American Patriots establish Fort Mitchell near what is today Ocala. They establish the "District of Elotchaway of the Republic of East Florida", and claim the land for the United States. The governor of Georgia denies any support for the Patriots, many of whom are wanted in Georgia for tax evasion. In April 1814, Secretary of State James Monroe denies support from Washington.
@TheIceman567 The Patriot War lasted from 1812 - 14, and was secretly supported by Madison, who withheld his authorisation when the news reached Europe. The Patriots went ahead anyway and got bogged down in a guerilla war with Spanish loyalists and Seminoles. After they were defeated, Buckner Harris - one of the last, remaining "Patriots", established the "Republic of East Florida." This was a hindrance to James Monroe who was busy trying to buy the province instead.
@Ninja1275 Yeah really and this why we had the last laugh by invading Florida in 1818 under General Jackson. My fellow American you should know your country's history :)
@Ninja1275 negotiation euh In 1818 the US invaded my fellow American from the 51st state it was called the Seminole War gotta look up your country's history pal. this why we had the last laugh
@Eddythebeast666 "The US was never more then a distraction. A buzzing fly that if it can be swatted that would be good but driven away works just as well." And this why the US is still around to day. Pretty much in control of Canada and UK today.
@TheIceman567 Dude You can't even control yourselves.
Who was it that had to be put in charge of the NATO operations in Libya?
This is a team effort. If you want to go at it solo feel free. If we don't agree that a mission serves our interests like Iraq we are happy to watch you stick your dicks in that meat grinder.
If you want to led then led just get a grip on your selves. Do you even know where you are going anymore?
@Eddythebeast666 Really Canada was one of the last countries to join the bombing and it was a US drone and a French 2000 that hit Gaddafi. While Again the Canadians used US bases in Italy nice try just following again nice try. And yes you Canadians are i've been there before ;)
So in my class text book i learned usa was always driven to arms by british but they cant be the bad guy on the other hand usa invade canada so making them bad guy why is that war rembered by usa
The British were seizing U.S. ships and forcing our citizens to serve in the British Royal Navy. They were arming Native Americans to attack U.S. frontier settlements. They had attacked U.S. warships (See: Chesapeake–Leopard Affair). The British still claimed the Great Lakes and had designs on the Old Northwest (like Michigan). Plus lots of French Canadians wanted freedom, so the USA tried to bring them into the fold!
@kepler1000 You were supplying a European tyrant in the same mold as Hitler. That was why your ships were being hassled. You were encouraging desertion from the Royal Navy - we were stopping your ships and recovering deserters, hence impressment. There was never any evidence we were aiding the Natives - even Madison offered no proof. The French Canadians despised Americans even more than they hated the British - notice how they fought and beat American forces at Chateauguay?
@MarineGuild Yeah really. The Quebec act called an intolerable act by the American revolutionaries gave French speaking Catholics full rights of citizenship in the British Empire which was even greater then the freedoms they had under the French Monarchy. The Royal proclamation of 1763 acknowledged Native sovereignty over their own lands.
Jackson had to threaten to destroy New Orleans himself to prevent them from joining the British. Where are the French who joined your nation? Quebec is French.
@MarineGuild What happened to the Natives who joined the US side? Did they prosper? Or did the Natives who stood beside Jackson later go on record cursing his name wishing they had killed him the moment they first laid eyes upon him.
What happened to the Black slaves who helped defend the US?
Freedom & Bravery are fine slogans but when talking about a war where Britain was acting far more in line with those principles the the US was you might want to tone it down. Unless you were being ironic?
@Eddythebeast666 Absolutely nothing. I was in a rush. Basic point is, America was found on religious freedom which they did not get from England. In which time, they were over taxed, they had no right to their religion, and the country was ruled by a king who we now know has physiological problems.
@MarineGuild That is a gross oversimplification. While some of British colonies & migrants to the colonies were motivated by a desire for religious freedom the vast majority were nothing of the kind. Most were financially motivated. Cotton, Tobacco, Spices, Sugar excetera.
Nor did religion play any role what so ever in the Revolutionary war as most Rebels were of the same Anglican faith as endorsed by Britain.
Britain was a parliamentary democracy. George III while mad was replaced by a regent.
@MarineGuild You keep dancing around the true issues of the Rev. War which was motivated almost entirely by money.
British Colonial expansion in to Native & French colonial lands had started a number of conflicts. French/Indian War & Pontiac Uprising. Britain then passed a number of very unpopular laws & taxes to pay the costs of the war & prevent further conflict with Natives & French.
Watch "The War that Made America" here on youtube it will explain what led to the Rev war.
@MarineGuild I should also point out most religious founded colonies were dismal failures that were even more intolerant & bigoted then anything experienced in Britain.
The reason why your founding fathers went with a secular government as they had seen the result of those experimental colonies first hand. I don't believe they admired them very much.
I love how you tools bicker back and forth as if you were there, as if you're representing something when you've likely yet to experience anything outside of Walmart. Too many people bark out of their asses with empty words. If anyone's too "patriotic", then the stick is up their ass and that's a fact. Let the retards suck Uncle Sam's dick, they're nothing more than yesmen and cattle. We all know who won 1812 and if you don't, you're an idiot. I say, don't be a puppet to idealist propaganda..
@nigee1970 As I said before, I had no hate for England or the British Empire until you fellows started all this with your hatred and lies about my country and people. It is you who are the haters here, not I. However I must admit my anger does tend to get the best of me at times ( I am a very passionate person) If you and the others are willing to discuss things without further hate and name calling, I shall do the same.
@nigee1970 I had no hate for England or the British Empire until you fellows started all this with your hatred and lies about my country and people. It is you who are the haters here, not I. However I must admit my anger does tend to get the best of me at times ( I am a very passionate person) If you and the others are willing to discuss things without further hate and name calling, I shall do the same.
The English are also the first ones to have invented the idea of concentration camps in their war to take gold from the Boers in Africa, they slaughtered women and babies all in the name of their Evil Empire ! The British were exterminating people long before Nazi Germany in the 1930's. The Brits were the first true Nazis, the Brits exterminated the Boers but they never could exterminate Americans! We are good at killing British scum, ask John Lenin from the Beatles LOL!
@mwillis1000 When Wellington took Badajoz in the spanish/ portuguese border during their war with the French ,the British committed huge atrocities such as looting, Rape, and of course Murder of civilians.
And what? The French did none of those things?? We werent the only ones, see racist people like you seem to forget many of the bad things we did were accepted and carried out by almost all other nations.
@mwillis1000 RACIST! LOL! Yes I am racist against a bunch of pale faced white people from England who try and opress my people and take over the world. Epic fail man, Epic fail to the Max !
@cylon85912 Apparently you haven't been looking in our faces Yankee. To busy running away it seems.
In 1812 Tecumseh & his native coalition allied with the British Crown against the the villains who tried to exterminate his people. Sorry but the racist label sticks far better to Americans then British especially this war.
I Am Mi'kmaq & my family have fought under the British Union flag for many generations.
@Eddythebeast666 I'm not a yankee, and don't call yourself a native indian of canada when you ally yourselves with the empire that killed blacks in Africa, Irish in Ireland, Indians ( the real Indians) in India ect. Yourpeople were nothing but Britians bitches there and here in America. Good thing we got rid of their Indian allies and defeated them in the Indian wars here in the states LOL! As for my skin color I am not obessed with race as you are so I will not say.
@mwillis1000 And I can't believe I have to educate the British about theirs ! But that should not surprise me, the British have a well deserved reputation for arrogance, I see it is well earned. You lost get over it.
@mwillis1000 Copy what ? Sad little British piggy. You lost the war, you lost all the major battles and you took no territory from us at all ! You failed to enslave the American population and your forces were forced to sign a peace treaty. Face facts you lost get over it.
You did copy my comment fuckwit. American goals were to kick the British out of Canada (Failed), conquer Canada (Failed and create an empire (FAILED), our goals were to hold Canada (Achieved) and to push back the Americans (Also ACHIEVED). We didnt want or need land, thats why we didnt gain any.
@cylon85912 If you had fought against the empire for these reasons you might have a point but that was never the case.
You don't get to hold our past against us unless you have taken a higher moral path but that just isn't the case. You preformed no better when free of our influence & in fact taught us a few lessons on cruelty.
There would be no USA with out the British Empire. Your lack of respect for the Empire that spawned & nurtured the English colonies just shows you deserve our contempt.
@nigee1970 Oh well let me correct that then. When i wrote "cocksuskers", I meant to write " dickheads" . And when I wrote "engilsh" I meant to write " "child molestors" . There that is a much better description fo the English people.
@nigee1970 Well, You said they were not i proved you wrong. And two your hands don't count as women. So what, my English is poor this is youtube if anyone has to make their spelling 100% on this thing really needs a life really bro make the grammar not only show people you're a racist but a 40 year old nerd. and ignore me show me you have a life. And for that's a hint for yah. And Say Hi to your parents for me :o)
@nigee1970 ......... the procurement of which had been accelerated by the US Navy. This was agreed in March 1982.Under the agreement, the United Kingdom made a 5% research and development contribution. And you can even read the Wiki Document where Obama tells the Russia's all you Nuke counts and where they can be found. And 40 years old yeah sure more like 15 years old. Because if you wrote a comment like that and you're 40 man then that mean you still have to be a virgin.
Trident missiles are provided to the United Kingdom under the terms of the 1963 Polaris Sales Agreement which was modified in 1982 for Trident. British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher had written to President Carter on July 10, 1980 to request that he approve supply of Trident I missiles. However in 1982 Thatcher wrote to President Reagan to request the United Kingdom be allowed to procure the Trident II (designated D5) system...........
I know many of you have had enough of these English inbred cocksuskers lying about their cruelty and warmongering that they have done over the many years of the British Empire ( which is thankfully now dead) if you hate England as much as I do than please feel free to check out my latest video " Down with England" and feel free to express your opion without the harrassment by fat, arrogant, and vile Englishmen. Death to Enlgand
@Eddythebeast666 " what are cocksuckers"? hahahahaha ! now who is the ignorant one. Crawl off and die you fat engilsh pig. ( you do understand what that means don't you) ?
@nigee1970 Well yes you're right "subs that launch 'em are all designed & built in the UK by BAE Systems" Warheads no. American made even with America locators are even American made. Well then that percentage you better go to all their homes and talk to 'em. But yet coming from a man you wants to kill Jews and said so himself. I think not. No i don't care because this is why Britain and Canada need America today. And No i don't care, It's loser Kids like you who still live with mummy andDaddy..
@mwillis1000 A true man and an officer will accept a defead. A stupid pussy can't. I love America and Britain but it does not take a geneus to see who won.
There is a tendency to have Ego maniacs with delusions of grandeur with a few Ignorant buffoons mixed in for spice to write their history for them but most are pretty good people.
As in Crushing the American armies that had invaded Canada chasing the fleeing remnants back to their home land, sacking their capitol, raiding their coasts, bombing their Forts until they signed a treaty that granted them nothing of what they had declared war over.
THAT'S VICTORY! AND ITS OURS!
What you got there is a steaming pile of defeat my American friend, just because your politicians called it Victory pudding doesn't mean you should gulp it down.
@Eddythebeast666 ......they got some possession of western land dumbass. we destroyed y'all in some battles too. nobody surrendered and no leader got captured. treaty signed. nobody won.
@BamaDillon You can win every battle & still get kicked out of Canada with out getting what you came for loser.
What land was gained by the US was stolen from Natives in violation of article IX of the Ghent treaty. A vile act that left a stain on American honor. What you could not gain in battle you resorted to petty thievery to get. (Not for the 1st or last time ether.)
US behavior towards Natives was a disgrace & every one of you should be ashamed.
@Eddythebeast666 ??? so you are saying that we could have made you surrender in the states and still lost the war because we didn't win in canada? OOOOOHHH i see. dumbass
I said the number of battles won does not matter. Washington lost most of the battles he fought in the Rev war, the French victory at Yorktown still granted the US victory.
The fact that the US started the 1812 war as an offensive engagement with ambitions & wound up back at home fighting for your existence is proof just how badly the war was bungled.
It is only by depicting the war as a fight for US survival that the illusion of victory is created.
@Eddythebeast666 eh if the war didn't start then we wouldn't have had good trading, your soldiers would still be aiding the indians, and we wouldn't have gotten part of the western territory
The only reason trading was disrupted was because of Napoleons activity in Europe. With Napoleons defeat trading resumed as normal.
The relationship between Natives & British never ended, there were no Indian wars in Canada nor any wild west. Many Natives & slaves fled to or tried to flee British protection in Canada to escape murderous US expansion like Chief Joesph & Sitting Bull.
@BamaDillon No, I wish there had been proper aid to the Natives. Most Canadian & British historians just parrot the same lie because it makes them feel superior to have helped the one side in the conflict that was completely blameless.
After the Pontiac uprising British had a treaty oblation to give gifts to natives & trade in good faith that's all that happened. Madison implied British provoked the attacks but it was a lie.
The US murdered natives & stole their lands. We were the good guys.
@BamaDillon Do a little bit of research of your own.
Madison's 1812 war speech is online, as is Harrison's report from Tippecanoe.
Madison's words are "It's difficult to account for the activity & combinations which have for some time been developing themselves among tribes in constant intercourse with British traders & garrisons without connecting their hostility with that influence"
@BamaDillon There was never any proof presented that Britain was the reason that Natives were hostile In fact if you read Tecumseh's own words & story it is crystal clear he had every reason to be hostile to the US & British with out any encouragement from anyone.
Fact is every British resource was focused upon Napoleon there wasn't enough equipment to supply Canadian militia let alone a hostile Native force that had every reason to hate British as much as the US.
@Eddythebeast666 .......it has been proven that the us ACCUSED them of doing it. i never said they actually did it. i'm just saying that there were other reasons for invading british canada than just to "take it over"
@BamaDillon Why did the US attack the Natives? To take Native lands.
Why did in the middle of the 1812 war did Georgina's waste resources to attack the Spanish in Florida? To take their lands.
Please think for your self.
While fighting Napoleon Canada was poorly defended if the US succeeded in taking Canada just what was it do you think Britain could offer to the US to get it back?
Impressment had already ended.
Its like a bank-robber caught in the act, claiming he only wanted a loan.
@BamaDillon Yes Britain did & every bloody horror is well documented. Britain was an Empire in the Age of Empires they don't make excuses.
That is what is so infuriating about this garbage the US calls history I could forgive the past mistakes even Natives have our share of shames but you bastards keep acting as if you are Gods gift to the world.
The conquest wasn't in the name of freedom or any such noble intent. This show is insulting & dumbs down Americans who should know better.
@Eddythebeast666 nah the thing that irritates me about this is that i'm one of the only americans that pay attention to this stuff and i bet quite the majority of britian looked at this vid. the brits and canadians are the only people that call the historians wrong no matter how much they prove it. and us americans know our history very well. and pretty much daily life was created in america. you bash america using american technology XD
Why? Because Asians are more adept at math (majority of programmers at MS etc are Asian.) Silicon Valley is full of foreign talent; many new US based IT tech-firms are headed by Europeans & Asians.
"Colossus" (UK) was the world's 1st "proper" computer i.e. electronic, programmable & digital; Alan Turing (see "Turing Complete"), known as the "Father of Modern Computer Science & AI." Much "US" tech has come from GB and Germany (at times, begged, borrowed, bought or stolen..)
(1) ARPANET was created by Licklider and other Americans in the 1960s and became the core to compose the global Internet.
(2) Americans created the first useful personal computer
(3) Alan Turing (was a great man) who was arrested by the British government because he was gay, was forced to take hormone injections and ended up going crazy and committing suicide because of the British legal system, and here I though we Americans were the gay basing christian fanatics?
@kepler1000 The first computer was built here in Britain - COLOSSUS. With which we cracked the German Enigma and Lorenz machines. Even the basis of the computer began with Englishman Charles Babbage in the 1800's. Just like it was us who split the atom - without which that little bomb of yours (which we practically gave you), would never have worked.
Turing's treatment was despicable but who are you to lecture us? Slavery longer than anyone else? Racial segregation until the 60's?
Even today, there are many parts of the US (especially the south) that are still deeply racist. I have travelled extensivelly across that vast land (only corner I've yet to see is the Pacific North-West) where some still believe the only good nigga is a dead one..
The basis for the 'net is "Packet Switching", invented by the Brit scientist D Davies at NPL (UK.) ARPANET got wind of his work and merely furthered it, even using Davies' name whilst further work was simultaneously carried out at NPL and CERN (where the English genius Berners-Lee invented the web, without which the 'net would be useless.)
World's 1st "proper" computer was "Colossus", built by Flowers & operational in late '43.
@kepler1000 Are you learning anything here? Behold the pissing contest that results when certain idiots try to claim the world should bow down to the USA for the creation of the computer which while the USA did play a part can in no way claim sole credit.
@BamaDillon Listen I don't want to insult your nation unjustly but you have to realize just how terrible the people who founded it really were.
The whole idea that the USA had a right to kill natives & steal their lands is the most monstrously evil racist bigotry that has ever been conceived by any nation.
Don't get me wrong It happened here as well but not on the same scale. Sugar coating these horrors just propagates more lies.
@BamaDillon I'm Native. (Mi'kmaq) nothing would fill me with more pride & love for Canada then to know we had aided Tecumseh's confederation in their struggle to be free & keep their lands in the face of American monsters but its a farce.
I've been looking for the historical evidence of that aid for years. Countless historians say that it happened but never present a shred of proof to back the claim.
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1812 was a failed war of US conquest. Madison's goal was the annexation of Canada including the final expulsion of all Brit presence from the continent. "Mere matter of marching" ring any bells? To be victorious, all we had to do was boot you out of Canada. This proved remarkably easy, even though we were horribly outnumbered & faced huge logistical barriers. It was NEVER GB's intention to retake her former 13 colonies, only to defeat Boney & defend Canada, hence our victory.
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CANADA WON WAR OF 1812 US HISTORIAN ADMITS
"In a relatively rare admission for an American scholar, a leading US historian who authored a provocative new tome about North American military conflicts states bluntly that Canada won the War of 1812.Johns Hopkins University professor E Cohen, a senior adviser to former US secretary of state C Rice, writes in his just-published book Conquered Into Liberty that, “ultimately, Canada and Canadians won the War of 1812.”
trouzerpants 1 day ago
“If the conquest of Canada had not been an American objective when the war began, it surely had become such shortly after it opened,” Cohen argues in the book. “Not only did the colony remain intact: It had acquired heroes, British and French, and a narrative of plucky defence against foreign invasion, that helped carry it to nationhood.” - Eliot Cohen, eminent US historian.
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The book also echoes a key message trumpeted by the fed Conservative government in recent weeks as it unveiled ambitious plans to commemorate the bicentennial of the War of 1812 over the next 3 years: that the successful fight by British, English, French-Canadian & First Nations allies to resist would-be American conquerors (battles such as Queenston Heights and Chateauguay) set the stage for the creation of a unified and independent Canada a half-century later.
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Now, more than ever, even American historians (including D Hickey, E Cohen, P Wilder, J Eisenhower et al) are finally admitting what we've always known - the War of 1812 was nothing but an American debacle.
trouzerpants 1 day ago
american did well but it must be said that the British won the war of 1812 yes america stopped the British but they failed in the taking of Canada which was there main goal
Knightrider9091 2 days ago
@Knightrider9091 Many goal of the British was also to take land from the US i come from the frontlines of where the war was fought and 100% American victory.
TheIceman567 2 days ago
@TheIceman567 sorry i'm confused what do you mean you agreeing with my point that Britain won? yes america kept it's lands but Britain didn't wont to take control of america as they sign the treaty which they got a better deal than the america's did, but the whole war started as america thought they could take Canada easily. Also the president of america at the time said that if he new the British were going to defeat napoleon so quickly they would not of started the war with Britain
Knightrider9091 2 days ago
@Knightrider9091 No where you are wrong Britain wanted to take northern Maine which they called New Ireland And wanted to take northern Minnesota. But after Baltimore and Plattsburgh and Sackett's Harbor. The British new the war was not one they could win. The US even showed up the Royal Navy and cause insurance prices to go up at the admiralty. And also rased British war dept as to why they came to us in 1813 looking for peace.
TheIceman567 2 days ago
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TheIceman567 2 days ago
@TheIceman567 you america had been beaten out of Canada yes Britain did not get all of its objectives but you lost more mean and did not manage as many of your objectives as the British did. we still had Canada you didn't and after the war you economy was effect as was some northern states and your capital. that why Britain won the war of 1812, and if anything watching this video should have proved it to you. Yes Britain did not get everything they wonted but they did better than america
Knightrider9091 2 days ago
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@Knightrider9091 facts? you just stated a shit load of speculations. Wellington's brother in law was killed at New Orleans...the Royal Navy lost 3 frigates in 4 months...such a loss rate never happened in 14 yrs of previous naval warfare with France.
At Plattsburg, the British force outnumbered the Americans 5 to 1 and never crossed the lake in the intented invasion since a few USN sloops controlled it.
10,000 men were simply called off. And we burned York down and won more battle.
TheIceman567 2 days ago
@Knightrider9091 The USA Won the war Impressment stopped US free trade went on. And we got fishing right in the gulf of St. Lawrence. And the British attacked America and outnumber the US most of the time and were driving' back. eye for an eye. Since the US got what it wanted from ghent it was an American victory. sorry old chum facts are facts.
TheIceman567 2 days ago
@TheIceman567 you got your facts wrong mate even the president of america at the time said that he wouldn't of attack Britain if he new they would be finished in Europe so quickly. yes you may of defended your country but it was at great cost to your navy and your economy and your country
Knightrider9091 2 days ago
@Knightrider9091 So to Britain as well. That's why on November 4 ,1813 British Prime Minister Lord Castlereagh offered to negotiate a peace treaty with Madison. Tells you something about the War.
TheIceman567 2 days ago
@TheIceman567 no Britain did not say anything like the president or america did, also it was the american president which started the treaty talks, also in the war america lost more casualties than Britain in the war. American failed in there main objective take Canada Britain didn't in defending it and keeping america out and making you pay for it.
Knightrider9091 2 days ago
@Knightrider9091 We didn't pay for it to win a war you don't counter attack and claim a victory in that chase you lose by trying to invade America. And is 1812 Madison sent a peace for Britain you you tommies turned it down and on November 4 ,1813 British Prime Minister Lord Castlereagh offered to negotiate a peace treaty with Madison. Tells you something about the War. Helps to know your facts first kid.
TheIceman567 2 days ago
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TheIceman567 2 days ago
@TheIceman567 ha ha i do no my facts but the point is you failed in your main objective and the main reason there was a war, which was america wonted Canada, Britain successful stopped america. Britain then attack 6 of your states and took control of your capital, yes you did fight back and stopped Britain but how can you call that a win?
Knightrider9091 2 days ago
@Knightrider9091 well first it" wanted" not "wonted" you just showed me a lot. Well you claim to know your fact i'd rethink your books you read. Because Britain never again messed with American shipping after the war And our goal war never to take over canada it was to draw out british troops but if you knew facts like you claim you'd know that. and rased british dept high that why the British PM came for peace
TheIceman567 2 days ago
@TheIceman567 just cus i can't spell that means nothing, and if even said in this documentary that america wonted Canada as they wonted more land not to draw out the british troops as at the time 90% of them were in Europe fighting the french. you may of raised British debt but it also heavily affected your economy and you trading and after the war the British still had it's empire
Knightrider9091 2 days ago
@Knightrider9091 Yes. But to claim a victory you stop at your own border not cross it and then get your tail handed to you. But your spelling show's me your just a child. So i really can only take what you say as a joke since you've been wrong on lot's of things so far.
TheIceman567 2 days ago
@TheIceman567 or maybe i'm dyslexic?
Knightrider9091 2 days ago
@Knightrider9091 and you're in the Royal Marines don't think so.
TheIceman567 2 days ago
@TheIceman567 i never said i was in the Royal Marines i am training to become one thats what i said you read it wrong
Knightrider9091 2 days ago
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Ignore Iceman, he's a fool.
trouzerpants 1 day ago
@trouzerpants thanks and ye just another american thinking they wont even though Britain defended Canada and attack there country and burned there capital
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TheIceman567 1 day ago
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@Knightrider9091 But my fellow American i find it funny you come to this video and just like others to just to cry. Yes a no lifer to me.
TheIceman567 1 day ago
@TheIceman567 The war of 1812 was a draw, but if someone has to lose it was the US, for the simple reason that if you start a war and when it ends everything looks exactly as it did before the war started you have obviously lost.
DanielHAkerman 2 days ago
@DanielHAkerman
Iceman is to be ignored. He's idiotic.
trouzerpants 1 day ago
@trouzerpants says you child
TheIceman567 1 day ago
@TheIceman567
Wanna argue with eminent American historians, too?
Fool.
trouzerpants 1 day ago
BTW - Your English is dreadful.
trouzerpants 1 day ago
@DanielHAkerman No we won the British tried to also invade the US if they wanted the win they would have just stop at the border but instead tried to invaded to US and lose and badly. you have obviously lost.
TheIceman567 1 day ago
@TheIceman567 You are missing the point. The Americans started the war and did not achieve anything, therefore they lost.
DanielHAkerman 1 day ago
@TheIceman567 Britain did stop at the boarder called an Armistice & tried to make peace.
You negotiators demanded Canada & your armies launched assault after assault upon Canada until with no other choice Britain pulled troops out of Europe which had better things to do & sent them to raid your coastal cities.
You couldn't attack us anymore because all your troops were needed to defend.
Once it was your communities in flames then you wanted to talk peace.
Eddythebeast666 1 day ago
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@Eddythebeast666 So to Britain as well. That's why on November 4 ,1813 British Prime Minister Lord Castlereagh offered to negotiate a peace treaty with Madison. Tells you something about the War. Kid am i gonna have to burn you again?
TheIceman567 1 day ago
@Eddythebeast666 And really this is why New Orleans happened and Baltimore and Plattsburgh? Seems to me the British crossed the border. And their goal was to take part of the louisiana by taking New Orleans know your facts kid.
TheIceman567 1 day ago
@TheIceman567 Spain was an important British ally during the Napoleonic wars & they had a claim upon New Orleans which they had leased to France.
It did not belong to Napoleon any more then then the Native lands which he sold to the US.
Spain asked Britain for its return. Britain told them it was unlikely but would try.
The news that a British force was en-route caused the cities leadership to draw up plans of surrender but Jackson threatened to destroy the city himself & imprisoned leadership.
Eddythebeast666 1 day ago
@Eddythebeast666 Yes and because of Spain being a British ally General James Wilkinson takes the Spanish fort of at Mobile in Alabama and occupies the region from Mobile to the Perdido River. AKA West Florida.
TheIceman567 1 day ago
@Eddythebeast666 Seems to me the British let down Spain.
TheIceman567 1 day ago
@TheIceman567 There was also the US/Spanish 1812 Patriot war where you invaded Florida & got your asses kicked. Your commanders scalp was presented to the Spanish governor there. You later had to pay Spain for the land you tried to steal.
What part of Britain being involved with a much more important war in Europe don't you understand?
The US was never more then a distraction. A buzzing fly that if it can be swatted that would be good but driven away works just as well.
Eddythebeast666 1 day ago
@Eddythebeast666 Euh We didn't lose dumb dumb the The Patriot War went on till 1818 when the US under General Jackson took the land and after Spain Bitched about it we paid them around 15 million dollars for East Florida.
TheIceman567 1 day ago
@Eddythebeast666 On 12 January 1814, American Patriots establish Fort Mitchell near what is today Ocala. They establish the "District of Elotchaway of the Republic of East Florida", and claim the land for the United States. The governor of Georgia denies any support for the Patriots, many of whom are wanted in Georgia for tax evasion. In April 1814, Secretary of State James Monroe denies support from Washington.
TheIceman567 1 day ago
@TheIceman567 The Patriot War lasted from 1812 - 14, and was secretly supported by Madison, who withheld his authorisation when the news reached Europe. The Patriots went ahead anyway and got bogged down in a guerilla war with Spanish loyalists and Seminoles. After they were defeated, Buckner Harris - one of the last, remaining "Patriots", established the "Republic of East Florida." This was a hindrance to James Monroe who was busy trying to buy the province instead.
Ninja1275 15 hours ago
@TheIceman567 The problem was solved when Harris' scalp was presented to the Spanish Governer by a Seminole Warrior.
Ninja1275 15 hours ago
@Ninja1275 Yeah really and this why we had the last laugh by invading Florida in 1818 under General Jackson. My fellow American you should know your country's history :)
TheIceman567 14 hours ago
@TheIceman567 Spain wanted to get rid of Florida anyway. But your attempts at invasion failed - which is why Monroe resorted to negotiation.
Im British not American. What makes you think im American?
Ninja1275 14 hours ago
@Ninja1275 negotiation euh In 1818 the US invaded my fellow American from the 51st state it was called the Seminole War gotta look up your country's history pal. this why we had the last laugh
TheIceman567 13 hours ago
@TheIceman567 Patriot War 1812 - 14. In which you lost.
End of war.
Negotiations for it's sale in 1819.
Can you understand this my American friend?
51st State? No mate im from Britain. Not that fascist hell hole you currently live in. How's Buffalo doing after we burnt it down?
Ninja1275 2 hours ago
@Ninja1275 He is from Buffalo.
He is butt hurt about what happened in 1812.
Eddythebeast666 12 hours ago
@Eddythebeast666 "The US was never more then a distraction. A buzzing fly that if it can be swatted that would be good but driven away works just as well." And this why the US is still around to day. Pretty much in control of Canada and UK today.
TheIceman567 1 day ago
@TheIceman567 Dude You can't even control yourselves.
Who was it that had to be put in charge of the NATO operations in Libya?
This is a team effort. If you want to go at it solo feel free. If we don't agree that a mission serves our interests like Iraq we are happy to watch you stick your dicks in that meat grinder.
If you want to led then led just get a grip on your selves. Do you even know where you are going anymore?
Eddythebeast666 1 day ago
@Eddythebeast666 Well if you knew anything we left Iraq last year. I don't know you tell us you keep following us like lap dogs.
TheIceman567 1 day ago
@TheIceman567 Left Iraq did you? So if I were to look up how much money you spent on Iraq in the last six months it would be zero?
There won't be hundreds of billions going to civilian military contractors?
You got your troops out dude but your dick is still fully inserted.
Eddythebeast666 1 day ago
@Eddythebeast666 Yeah at least were still getting some :)
TheIceman567 1 day ago
@TheIceman567 Dude. That ugly louse ridden Ho is not doing your dick any good.
I don't want prop up your already inflated ego but you can do better so get your self a shot of penicillin clean yourself up & get back in the game.
Eddythebeast666 1 day ago
@Eddythebeast666 Well this Ho is your Ho since you folllow us around like a lost puppy :)
TheIceman567 1 day ago
@TheIceman567 Canada has had no official presence in Iraq or Vietnam ether for that matter.
We were happy to led NATO operations in Libya. Gaddafi dead in less then a year.
If we were the type of people to boast I believe that would be some thing we would rub your noses in.
Of course we aren't like that. XD
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@Eddythebeast666 Really Canada was one of the last countries to join the bombing and it was a US drone and a French 2000 that hit Gaddafi. While Again the Canadians used US bases in Italy nice try just following again nice try. And yes you Canadians are i've been there before ;)
TheIceman567 1 day ago
When did the History Channel start sucking eggs? They forgot to mention Hitler's occult connections to the war of 1812{sarcasm).
tertommy 1 week ago
So in my class text book i learned usa was always driven to arms by british but they cant be the bad guy on the other hand usa invade canada so making them bad guy why is that war rembered by usa
MrProductionK 1 month ago
@MrProductionK
The British were seizing U.S. ships and forcing our citizens to serve in the British Royal Navy. They were arming Native Americans to attack U.S. frontier settlements. They had attacked U.S. warships (See: Chesapeake–Leopard Affair). The British still claimed the Great Lakes and had designs on the Old Northwest (like Michigan). Plus lots of French Canadians wanted freedom, so the USA tried to bring them into the fold!
kepler1000 1 month ago
@kepler1000 You were supplying a European tyrant in the same mold as Hitler. That was why your ships were being hassled. You were encouraging desertion from the Royal Navy - we were stopping your ships and recovering deserters, hence impressment. There was never any evidence we were aiding the Natives - even Madison offered no proof. The French Canadians despised Americans even more than they hated the British - notice how they fought and beat American forces at Chateauguay?
Ninja1275 1 month ago
Ha, great insult there, ya fat redneck.
mwillis1000 1 month ago
what about the black founding fathers? Like Wentworth Cheswell?
anthonyehooker 2 months ago
First time I ever thumbed up the credits lol.
planetrockford 3 months ago
America; the home of the free and the brave! Hoorah!
MarineGuild 4 months ago
@MarineGuild You do know that Britain did more to advance Freedom in the world then the USA did right?
Eddythebeast666 4 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 oh rly? kings, queens, can only practice Catholicism ye no.
MarineGuild 4 months ago
@MarineGuild Yeah really. The Quebec act called an intolerable act by the American revolutionaries gave French speaking Catholics full rights of citizenship in the British Empire which was even greater then the freedoms they had under the French Monarchy. The Royal proclamation of 1763 acknowledged Native sovereignty over their own lands.
Jackson had to threaten to destroy New Orleans himself to prevent them from joining the British. Where are the French who joined your nation? Quebec is French.
Eddythebeast666 4 months ago
@MarineGuild What happened to the Natives who joined the US side? Did they prosper? Or did the Natives who stood beside Jackson later go on record cursing his name wishing they had killed him the moment they first laid eyes upon him.
What happened to the Black slaves who helped defend the US?
Freedom & Bravery are fine slogans but when talking about a war where Britain was acting far more in line with those principles the the US was you might want to tone it down. Unless you were being ironic?
Eddythebeast666 4 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 What natives. Are you really brainwashed by the Liberal media? Manuscripts and documents prove them as drug smoking 'animals.'
MarineGuild 4 months ago
@MarineGuild What are you smoking?
Eddythebeast666 4 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 Absolutely nothing. I was in a rush. Basic point is, America was found on religious freedom which they did not get from England. In which time, they were over taxed, they had no right to their religion, and the country was ruled by a king who we now know has physiological problems.
MarineGuild 4 months ago
@MarineGuild That is a gross oversimplification. While some of British colonies & migrants to the colonies were motivated by a desire for religious freedom the vast majority were nothing of the kind. Most were financially motivated. Cotton, Tobacco, Spices, Sugar excetera.
Nor did religion play any role what so ever in the Revolutionary war as most Rebels were of the same Anglican faith as endorsed by Britain.
Britain was a parliamentary democracy. George III while mad was replaced by a regent.
Eddythebeast666 4 months ago
@MarineGuild You keep dancing around the true issues of the Rev. War which was motivated almost entirely by money.
British Colonial expansion in to Native & French colonial lands had started a number of conflicts. French/Indian War & Pontiac Uprising. Britain then passed a number of very unpopular laws & taxes to pay the costs of the war & prevent further conflict with Natives & French.
Watch "The War that Made America" here on youtube it will explain what led to the Rev war.
Eddythebeast666 4 months ago
@MarineGuild I should also point out most religious founded colonies were dismal failures that were even more intolerant & bigoted then anything experienced in Britain.
The reason why your founding fathers went with a secular government as they had seen the result of those experimental colonies first hand. I don't believe they admired them very much.
Eddythebeast666 4 months ago
If America had invaded London and burned the Houses of Parliament who would you say won the war?
studio3films 4 months ago
I love how you tools bicker back and forth as if you were there, as if you're representing something when you've likely yet to experience anything outside of Walmart. Too many people bark out of their asses with empty words. If anyone's too "patriotic", then the stick is up their ass and that's a fact. Let the retards suck Uncle Sam's dick, they're nothing more than yesmen and cattle. We all know who won 1812 and if you don't, you're an idiot. I say, don't be a puppet to idealist propaganda..
Denji2006 7 months ago
USA won. Britain lost. Better luck next time Britain. LOL!!
4evrLALakers 7 months ago
@4evrLALakers What did the US win? A chance to rebuild Washington? #LOL
Eddythebeast666 7 months ago
@4evrLALakers America lost, they failed to invade Canada and lost most of the battles.
uafchris 5 months ago
AMERICA WON, BRITAIN LOST, CANADA REMAINED BRITAIN'S LOYAL OBEDIENT BITCH. THAT IS THE TRUTH GET OVER IT
coldbloodid 7 months ago
@coldbloodid You like to think you won, but you didnt :D
Ninja1275 7 months ago
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@nigee1970 As I said before, I had no hate for England or the British Empire until you fellows started all this with your hatred and lies about my country and people. It is you who are the haters here, not I. However I must admit my anger does tend to get the best of me at times ( I am a very passionate person) If you and the others are willing to discuss things without further hate and name calling, I shall do the same.
cylon85912 8 months ago
@nigee1970 I had no hate for England or the British Empire until you fellows started all this with your hatred and lies about my country and people. It is you who are the haters here, not I. However I must admit my anger does tend to get the best of me at times ( I am a very passionate person) If you and the others are willing to discuss things without further hate and name calling, I shall do the same.
cylon85912 8 months ago
@nigee1970 You're telling me i mean a 41 year old virgin still using youtube. Man you need a hobby bro. Again say hi to your parents for me :o)
TheIceman567 8 months ago
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The English are also the first ones to have invented the idea of concentration camps in their war to take gold from the Boers in Africa, they slaughtered women and babies all in the name of their Evil Empire ! The British were exterminating people long before Nazi Germany in the 1930's. The Brits were the first true Nazis, the Brits exterminated the Boers but they never could exterminate Americans! We are good at killing British scum, ask John Lenin from the Beatles LOL!
cylon85912 8 months ago
@nigee1970 Thanks, I will. Death to England !
cylon85912 8 months ago
@cylon85912
Oh, remember 9/11?
mwillis1000 8 months ago
@mwillis1000 When Wellington took Badajoz in the spanish/ portuguese border during their war with the French ,the British committed huge atrocities such as looting, Rape, and of course Murder of civilians.
cylon85912 8 months ago
@cylon85912
And what? The French did none of those things?? We werent the only ones, see racist people like you seem to forget many of the bad things we did were accepted and carried out by almost all other nations.
mwillis1000 8 months ago
@mwillis1000 Wow! Something else having Yankees bitching about our bad old Imperial days isn't it? I don't think cylon85912 realizes who made who.
Seems America blames us for creating them.
Pity we can't undo that mistake. #LOL
Eddythebeast666 8 months ago 11
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LOL, they seem to forget we are their founding fathers. And many of their presidents were born in Britain or had British family and roots.
mwillis1000 8 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 I know, your "children" are better than you, s'amazing.
Skabur123 5 months ago
@Skabur123 Yes. While its true many of the British Empires "children" are troubled a few have done very well. LOL
Eddythebeast666 5 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 Lol
Skabur123 5 months ago
@mwillis1000 RACIST! LOL! Yes I am racist against a bunch of pale faced white people from England who try and opress my people and take over the world. Epic fail man, Epic fail to the Max !
cylon85912 8 months ago
@cylon85912 Apparently you haven't been looking in our faces Yankee. To busy running away it seems.
In 1812 Tecumseh & his native coalition allied with the British Crown against the the villains who tried to exterminate his people. Sorry but the racist label sticks far better to Americans then British especially this war.
I Am Mi'kmaq & my family have fought under the British Union flag for many generations.
What color is your skin? #LOL
Eddythebeast666 8 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 I'm not a yankee, and don't call yourself a native indian of canada when you ally yourselves with the empire that killed blacks in Africa, Irish in Ireland, Indians ( the real Indians) in India ect. Yourpeople were nothing but Britians bitches there and here in America. Good thing we got rid of their Indian allies and defeated them in the Indian wars here in the states LOL! As for my skin color I am not obessed with race as you are so I will not say.
cylon85912 8 months ago
@cylon85912
Why only look at what the British did then?? When every other nation did it and what we did was though acceptable at the time. Fuckwit.
mwillis1000 8 months ago
@mwillis1000 LOL ! Nice to know I am getting under your skin old chap(wink).
cylon85912 8 months ago
@cylon85912
Your not under my skin, i just cant believe i have to educate Americans about their own history!
mwillis1000 8 months ago
@mwillis1000 And I can't believe I have to educate the British about theirs ! But that should not surprise me, the British have a well deserved reputation for arrogance, I see it is well earned. You lost get over it.
cylon85912 8 months ago
@cylon85912
LOL, you copy my comment! Sad wanker. So how did we loose when we met our objectives but America didnt?
mwillis1000 8 months ago
@mwillis1000 Copy what ? Sad little British piggy. You lost the war, you lost all the major battles and you took no territory from us at all ! You failed to enslave the American population and your forces were forced to sign a peace treaty. Face facts you lost get over it.
cylon85912 8 months ago
@cylon85912
You did copy my comment fuckwit. American goals were to kick the British out of Canada (Failed), conquer Canada (Failed and create an empire (FAILED), our goals were to hold Canada (Achieved) and to push back the Americans (Also ACHIEVED). We didnt want or need land, thats why we didnt gain any.
mwillis1000 8 months ago
@cylon85912 Dude your capitol was sacked.
How in Gods name do you qualify the defense of Washington as anything other then a major battle?
Your arguments are not rational.
You are like Monty Pythons Black Knight.
Eddythebeast666 8 months ago
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@cylon85912 If you had fought against the empire for these reasons you might have a point but that was never the case.
You don't get to hold our past against us unless you have taken a higher moral path but that just isn't the case. You preformed no better when free of our influence & in fact taught us a few lessons on cruelty.
There would be no USA with out the British Empire. Your lack of respect for the Empire that spawned & nurtured the English colonies just shows you deserve our contempt.
Eddythebeast666 8 months ago
@nigee1970 Oh well let me correct that then. When i wrote "cocksuskers", I meant to write " dickheads" . And when I wrote "engilsh" I meant to write " "child molestors" . There that is a much better description fo the English people.
cylon85912 8 months ago
@nigee1970 Well, You said they were not i proved you wrong. And two your hands don't count as women. So what, my English is poor this is youtube if anyone has to make their spelling 100% on this thing really needs a life really bro make the grammar not only show people you're a racist but a 40 year old nerd. and ignore me show me you have a life. And for that's a hint for yah. And Say Hi to your parents for me :o)
TheIceman567 8 months ago
@nigee1970 ......... the procurement of which had been accelerated by the US Navy. This was agreed in March 1982.Under the agreement, the United Kingdom made a 5% research and development contribution. And you can even read the Wiki Document where Obama tells the Russia's all you Nuke counts and where they can be found. And 40 years old yeah sure more like 15 years old. Because if you wrote a comment like that and you're 40 man then that mean you still have to be a virgin.
TheIceman567 8 months ago
@TheIceman567 Russians*
TheIceman567 8 months ago
Trident missiles are provided to the United Kingdom under the terms of the 1963 Polaris Sales Agreement which was modified in 1982 for Trident. British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher had written to President Carter on July 10, 1980 to request that he approve supply of Trident I missiles. However in 1982 Thatcher wrote to President Reagan to request the United Kingdom be allowed to procure the Trident II (designated D5) system...........
TheIceman567 8 months ago
I know many of you have had enough of these English inbred cocksuskers lying about their cruelty and warmongering that they have done over the many years of the British Empire ( which is thankfully now dead) if you hate England as much as I do than please feel free to check out my latest video " Down with England" and feel free to express your opion without the harrassment by fat, arrogant, and vile Englishmen. Death to Enlgand
cylon85912 8 months ago
@cylon85912 Who are you calling fat, inbred, lying, warmongering... What are "cocksuskers"?
Are these not the descriptive terms more often used about the USA?
I have a one word response for you.
Ignorant.
Sums you up nicely doesn't it? I imagine many Americans will agree & will ask you not to speak on their behalf.
Eddythebeast666 8 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 " what are cocksuckers"? hahahahaha ! now who is the ignorant one. Crawl off and die you fat engilsh pig. ( you do understand what that means don't you) ?
cylon85912 8 months ago
Clear American victory.
TheIceman567 8 months ago
@nigee1970 That write. Gotta get some lifes kiddos. The 300 million plus say so.
BTW Tell your parents i said hi!
TheIceman567 8 months ago
@nigee1970 Well yes you're right "subs that launch 'em are all designed & built in the UK by BAE Systems" Warheads no. American made even with America locators are even American made. Well then that percentage you better go to all their homes and talk to 'em. But yet coming from a man you wants to kill Jews and said so himself. I think not. No i don't care because this is why Britain and Canada need America today. And No i don't care, It's loser Kids like you who still live with mummy andDaddy..
TheIceman567 8 months ago
Claer victory for Britain.
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@mwillis1000 A true man and an officer will accept a defead. A stupid pussy can't. I love America and Britain but it does not take a geneus to see who won.
TheIcelandicPatriot 7 months ago
@TheIcelandicPatriot I wouldn't call Americans stupid pussies.
There is a tendency to have Ego maniacs with delusions of grandeur with a few Ignorant buffoons mixed in for spice to write their history for them but most are pretty good people.
Eddythebeast666 7 months ago
@TheIcelandicPatriot
Exactly you blind FOOL, it wasnt a yank victory, if it was they would have made an empire, did that happen???? NOPE!
mwillis1000 7 months ago
@mwillis1000 Like i said i thought you meant the war when the british came, not the canadian war. There is no need for bad language sir.
TheIcelandicPatriot 7 months ago
@mwillis1000 victory? there was a treaty signed dude.
btw you spelled CLEAR wrong fucking toothless brain fag
BamaDillon 1 month ago
@BamaDillon Yes victory.
As in Crushing the American armies that had invaded Canada chasing the fleeing remnants back to their home land, sacking their capitol, raiding their coasts, bombing their Forts until they signed a treaty that granted them nothing of what they had declared war over.
THAT'S VICTORY! AND ITS OURS!
What you got there is a steaming pile of defeat my American friend, just because your politicians called it Victory pudding doesn't mean you should gulp it down.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
@Eddythebeast666 ......they got some possession of western land dumbass. we destroyed y'all in some battles too. nobody surrendered and no leader got captured. treaty signed. nobody won.
BamaDillon 1 month ago
@BamaDillon You can win every battle & still get kicked out of Canada with out getting what you came for loser.
What land was gained by the US was stolen from Natives in violation of article IX of the Ghent treaty. A vile act that left a stain on American honor. What you could not gain in battle you resorted to petty thievery to get. (Not for the 1st or last time ether.)
US behavior towards Natives was a disgrace & every one of you should be ashamed.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
@Eddythebeast666 ??? so you are saying that we could have made you surrender in the states and still lost the war because we didn't win in canada? OOOOOHHH i see. dumbass
BamaDillon 1 month ago
@BamaDillon Where did I say that?
I said the number of battles won does not matter. Washington lost most of the battles he fought in the Rev war, the French victory at Yorktown still granted the US victory.
The fact that the US started the 1812 war as an offensive engagement with ambitions & wound up back at home fighting for your existence is proof just how badly the war was bungled.
It is only by depicting the war as a fight for US survival that the illusion of victory is created.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
@BamaDillon It is only by depicting the war as a fight for US survival that the illusion of victory is created.
The problem with that is that the US would never have been in danger if you hadn't started the war!
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
@Eddythebeast666 eh if the war didn't start then we wouldn't have had good trading, your soldiers would still be aiding the indians, and we wouldn't have gotten part of the western territory
BamaDillon 1 month ago
@BamaDillon Not True.
The only reason trading was disrupted was because of Napoleons activity in Europe. With Napoleons defeat trading resumed as normal.
The relationship between Natives & British never ended, there were no Indian wars in Canada nor any wild west. Many Natives & slaves fled to or tried to flee British protection in Canada to escape murderous US expansion like Chief Joesph & Sitting Bull.
You could have expanded peacefully as we did.
Fucking butchers.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
@Eddythebeast666 you still aided the indians
BamaDillon 1 month ago
@BamaDillon No, I wish there had been proper aid to the Natives. Most Canadian & British historians just parrot the same lie because it makes them feel superior to have helped the one side in the conflict that was completely blameless.
After the Pontiac uprising British had a treaty oblation to give gifts to natives & trade in good faith that's all that happened. Madison implied British provoked the attacks but it was a lie.
The US murdered natives & stole their lands. We were the good guys.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
@Eddythebeast666 oh yeah suure the historians who spend their whole lives researching this shit are liars huh
BamaDillon 1 month ago
@BamaDillon Do a little bit of research of your own.
Madison's 1812 war speech is online, as is Harrison's report from Tippecanoe.
Madison's words are "It's difficult to account for the activity & combinations which have for some time been developing themselves among tribes in constant intercourse with British traders & garrisons without connecting their hostility with that influence"
See. No proof, just guilt by association.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
@BamaDillon There was never any proof presented that Britain was the reason that Natives were hostile In fact if you read Tecumseh's own words & story it is crystal clear he had every reason to be hostile to the US & British with out any encouragement from anyone.
Fact is every British resource was focused upon Napoleon there wasn't enough equipment to supply Canadian militia let alone a hostile Native force that had every reason to hate British as much as the US.
It was a lie.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
@Eddythebeast666 .......it has been proven that the us ACCUSED them of doing it. i never said they actually did it. i'm just saying that there were other reasons for invading british canada than just to "take it over"
BamaDillon 1 month ago
@BamaDillon Why did the US attack the Natives? To take Native lands.
Why did in the middle of the 1812 war did Georgina's waste resources to attack the Spanish in Florida? To take their lands.
Please think for your self.
While fighting Napoleon Canada was poorly defended if the US succeeded in taking Canada just what was it do you think Britain could offer to the US to get it back?
Impressment had already ended.
Its like a bank-robber caught in the act, claiming he only wanted a loan.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
@Eddythebeast666 that is called conquering. britian did it a lot
BamaDillon 1 month ago
@BamaDillon Yes Britain did & every bloody horror is well documented. Britain was an Empire in the Age of Empires they don't make excuses.
That is what is so infuriating about this garbage the US calls history I could forgive the past mistakes even Natives have our share of shames but you bastards keep acting as if you are Gods gift to the world.
The conquest wasn't in the name of freedom or any such noble intent. This show is insulting & dumbs down Americans who should know better.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
@Eddythebeast666 nah the thing that irritates me about this is that i'm one of the only americans that pay attention to this stuff and i bet quite the majority of britian looked at this vid. the brits and canadians are the only people that call the historians wrong no matter how much they prove it. and us americans know our history very well. and pretty much daily life was created in america. you bash america using american technology XD
BamaDillon 1 month ago
@BamaDillon It's the half assed history & inability to give due credit to anybody else that ticks everyone off.
World Wide Web was created by British engineer and computer scientist Sir Tim Berners-Lee, now Director of the World Wide Web Consortium.
Fact is the luxuries the US enjoys in daily life are in fact contributions from the world.
Almost nothing the US tries to take sole credit for creating actually originated there or didn't get vast improvements from others.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
@Eddythebeast666 ...the computer we know of today is american and you need a computer to use the internet. youtube and facebook are american :)
BamaDillon 1 month ago
@BamaDillon This isn't multivac. Today's computers composes many innovations some of which are American but not as many as you seem to think.
Charles Babbage is credited with inventing the first mechanical computer.1837
Alan Turing the father of computer science.1936
Both English.
Konrad Zuse creator of the world's first commercial computer was German.1940
Claiming sole credit for the modern computer for the US or even those web sites is just ignorant.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
@Eddythebeast666 back then everything was invented by the british
BamaDillon 1 month ago
@BamaDillon Well we got a lot of stuff from the Romans.
All modern innovation stands upon the shoulders of giants of the past.
Britain's biggest contributions where all built upon other earlier works.
I believe the first steam engine was Greek.
There is little point in boasting about this stuff. The Asians have been kicking our asses for decades now.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
@Eddythebeast666 it's because they're asian. asians are mentally disciplined to do that stuff and do it right the first time. i have no idea why
BamaDillon 1 month ago
@Bama
Why? Because Asians are more adept at math (majority of programmers at MS etc are Asian.) Silicon Valley is full of foreign talent; many new US based IT tech-firms are headed by Europeans & Asians.
"Colossus" (UK) was the world's 1st "proper" computer i.e. electronic, programmable & digital; Alan Turing (see "Turing Complete"), known as the "Father of Modern Computer Science & AI." Much "US" tech has come from GB and Germany (at times, begged, borrowed, bought or stolen..)
trouzerpants 1 month ago
@Eddythebeast666
(1) ARPANET was created by Licklider and other Americans in the 1960s and became the core to compose the global Internet.
(2) Americans created the first useful personal computer
(3) Alan Turing (was a great man) who was arrested by the British government because he was gay, was forced to take hormone injections and ended up going crazy and committing suicide because of the British legal system, and here I though we Americans were the gay basing christian fanatics?
kepler1000 1 month ago
@kepler1000 The first computer was built here in Britain - COLOSSUS. With which we cracked the German Enigma and Lorenz machines. Even the basis of the computer began with Englishman Charles Babbage in the 1800's. Just like it was us who split the atom - without which that little bomb of yours (which we practically gave you), would never have worked.
Turing's treatment was despicable but who are you to lecture us? Slavery longer than anyone else? Racial segregation until the 60's?
Ninja1275 1 month ago
@Ninja1275
Even today, there are many parts of the US (especially the south) that are still deeply racist. I have travelled extensivelly across that vast land (only corner I've yet to see is the Pacific North-West) where some still believe the only good nigga is a dead one..
trouzerpants 1 month ago
@kep
The basis for the 'net is "Packet Switching", invented by the Brit scientist D Davies at NPL (UK.) ARPANET got wind of his work and merely furthered it, even using Davies' name whilst further work was simultaneously carried out at NPL and CERN (where the English genius Berners-Lee invented the web, without which the 'net would be useless.)
World's 1st "proper" computer was "Colossus", built by Flowers & operational in late '43.
US tech is based on British and German tech.
trouzerpants 1 month ago
I could even go further and state that everything the US has, has at some point been BEGGED, BORROWED, BOUGHT or STOLEN from elsewhere.
"Standing on the shoulders of giants" is an apt phrase that springs to mind..
trouzerpants 1 month ago
@kepler1000 Are you learning anything here? Behold the pissing contest that results when certain idiots try to claim the world should bow down to the USA for the creation of the computer which while the USA did play a part can in no way claim sole credit.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
@BamaDillon Listen I don't want to insult your nation unjustly but you have to realize just how terrible the people who founded it really were.
The whole idea that the USA had a right to kill natives & steal their lands is the most monstrously evil racist bigotry that has ever been conceived by any nation.
Don't get me wrong It happened here as well but not on the same scale. Sugar coating these horrors just propagates more lies.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
@BamaDillon I'm Native. (Mi'kmaq) nothing would fill me with more pride & love for Canada then to know we had aided Tecumseh's confederation in their struggle to be free & keep their lands in the face of American monsters but its a farce.
I've been looking for the historical evidence of that aid for years. Countless historians say that it happened but never present a shred of proof to back the claim.