Reason.tv and Drew Carey on 20/20 with John Stossel

[WestSkier11]

I am a true libertarian up to the thought of no Govt roads. This ridiculous. It's the govt's job to provide safe channels for commerce to be done.

[pressbox1492]

baldy

[EndoSmoke16]

Drew Carey don't love Ohio anymore it's becuz they don't hav marijuana dispensaries there. Da price iz wrong bitch 

[defgill]

Liberal= govt worship. Nothing liberating about saying "more govt will solve this problem."

[zigzigerblat]

Wow, they were very reasonable until they lost me on the privatizing the highways. The last thing I need is a slime ball greedy corporation overcharging and under-maintaining highways to the point I can't afford to use them. I already can't leave my 100 sf apt because money is being sucked out of me every step I take outside. Unless you make an excess of money you are slaving 24-7 to survive in this country now. I need surgery and would only be able to get it because of a government program.

[EffieReal]

@zigzigerblat Yeah, it's seems intuitive that government should continue to run the highways. However, I just watched this: watch?v=TIG0M4WT0s0 and found out that basically the feds have collected gas tax for decades but didn't use it to maintain the hwys. They robbed the funds just like they did to social security. Anyway, our highways are currently past the due date for rebuilding and the gvmt has no plans to fix it. If a private company did that we could complain to the government.

[zigzigerblat]

@EffieReal The problem is that any company that is stealing from the public on a scale like that is going to give money to politicians and will be above the law, like the oil and banking industries. Government IS accountable to the people. Corporations only motivation is profit and monopoly, with no regard for the public or even common decency.

The life blood of our economy is our communications, energy and transportation infrastructure and by definition there can be no competition.

[rmcdaniel423]

So . . . it grows naturally, can be made better with a little cultivation, has some health benefits, some people love it & others hate it, it's a lovely shade of green, its sale and distribution is controlled by the government, even though it shouldn't be . . . yup . . . you guessed it . . . I'm talking about broccoli.

And MJ.

[Jaasau]

One more reason to love drew carey!

[AroundSun]

"Liberal is not what liberals are. There is nothing liberating about being a liberal. If you are calling for greater control of our lives by the government, that's the opposite of liberation. The modern day liberal has nothing in common with the Jeffersonian concept of liberal and liberty. So if we have people who call themselves liberals, who are subscribing to an ideology that is the opposite of the spirit of our founding documents, then they are on the wrong, and yes, bad side of things."

[ctminarchist]

bullshit

[petion2010]

What we must understand is that it's hard for people to give up power. We've been relying on the government for so long that it will be hard for it to give up the amount of control that it exerts on our society.

[itcol]

A good fence is necessary- just add barb wire, and eliminate free education, birth-right babies, and free healthcare. Protecting our borders is one of the few things that IS Constitutional. Just pattern it, as well as airport security, after Israel.

[goPistons06]

government is a scam from which you can't get your money back

[migkillertwo]

If Barack Obama has balls or principles, he'll grant a presidential pardon to Charlie Lynch.

[blardosplats]

@migkillertwo

Sadly, I doubt that Obama has either.

[imre1000]

Public roads are difficult to let a private company run as the land they use is limited. I still think it would be better in private hands - I just don't think any politician, not even Ron Paul would survive trying to convince the public of this.

[dons123111]

@imre1000 Not at all. There is indeed limited space, but roads could be bid out every few years to the best bid. I travel on toll roads, and they are better then most public roads. The govt owns the land, but does not run them, finance them or maintain them. The police are allowed on them. What you save in tire wear alone is worth the tolls, instead of gasoline taxes.

[imre1000]

@dons123111, who comes up with the money to build them?

It can take over 10 years to get a return on a road. If a private company can lose the bid after 5 years - why would they build it?

[dons123111]

@imre1000 depends on the road how long it takes. Besides, most roads are already in place, they just need to be turned over with the private contract. Contracts are part of our Constitution. Our constitution is about freedom, not about morality or equality in a Nanny State. If we gaurantee freedom, we will have equality and morality, whereas the Nanny State you will eventually get neither.

[JanisXAChambers]

Who's with me, 'Bullshit' should be taken out of the context of a cuss word and simply mean "That which is utter nonsense".

Such a bold word that accurately labels the various things that have put us where we are now.

Thank you Pen and Teller, I'll say the word Bullshit Proudly.

[johnhall77]

Don't forget that Limbaugh and Carey are friends.

[strawberEfieldz4ever]

ARE YOU SERIOUS???!!! lol

[Joeyland]

@johnhall77

false information son

[residentzombie]

Awesome, I never knew Drew Carey was a Libertarian.

[truthsabre7]

Get the book " Bad Trip"

[DonJack1776]

Wow. Right-wingers used to say that they wanted to privatize the roads as a joke.

[cornbreadjunkie]

Funny thing about Drew Carey. He's part owner of Seattle's soccer team.

I wonder how in the world he would have a soccer team if the city hadn't built a massive football stadium. He and his ownership group might have been able to afford to build their own stadium, but for some reason he wasn't suggesting that his group not be at the public money trough.

[ab1tchslap]

@cornbreadjunkie

Are you saying that we need the government to build soccer stadiums?

[repo1911]

mmm government cheeseburgers

[Hedronox]

We're at war with the mexicans? o_o

[FatherTime89]

The things you learn from loudmouth politicians.

Seriously when the fuck did 'we are at war' become a good justification for any stupid shit some conservative wanted.

[Joe402]

I always get sad when I remember that Drew Carey is a Libertarian.

His show was funny except for the never-ending store episodes, those sucked ass.

[srhpenquin]

The nazis exhibited far right conservative characteristics as well as far left socialistic ones. Don't get caught in this trap on either side, then everyone schools you on how you got it wrong. There is a false left-right paradigm right here in the u.s. waiting to swallow you, to pit you against the other side. All the pundits work for the same employer: Slavery Inc. Create your own reality. You are right. Don't let them tell you what to think. There is no difference in their ideologies.

[WayfinderX]

Wrong. Fascism is purely a leftist ideology. The left can be nationalistic (in fact, they often are); it's not uncommon these days to be internationalist. The Nazis never advocated free enterprise, low taxes, and freedom for all. And neither does the left.

[daizee106]

Not many People can grasp this idea. They have been brainwashed. But you are dead on my friend

[oilhammer04]

Thanks for bleeping the profanity.

[nilesmc]

It's so refreshing to be able to scroll down and see that every comment on the page has complete sentences.

[eggyfranchise]

socialists also strive for equality. is that really that bad? oh no socialists strive for equality we have to stop them. I'm not saying that they are good it's just it's funny how the right leaves out important details to raise their agendas.

[fleskebille]

They want to force equality by removing freedom and self reliance. If everybody got one prison cell each, same food etc, that's equality too, except for the bureaucrats who are the class above that gets to decide. Maybe if they took turns being bureaucrats, so everybody spent equal time of their life being a bureaucrat?

[eggyfranchise]

Yes nazis were socialists but all the right wing devils conveniently leave out the "nationalist" part. That whole America for Americans and fuck Mexico attitude that conservative devils have is the same attitude Hitler had towards Jews. Nationalism is far right not left. Although socialism does have more in common with liberalism than nazism with conservatism both were more totalitarian than left wing or right wing. You people will believe anything Glenn Beck says. LOL he's not even libertarian.

[fleskebille]

Glen Beck is a phony.

[RealTime88]

@fleskebille More like a traitor. It was all good until he went to Fox. Drew is a libertarian, John Stossel is a libertarian, etc. And yes the government is not the first answer to every problem in America.

[EssiacHempLaetrile]

CANCER CURE = HEMP OIL

[seesnapefly]

Drew Carrey is so funny xD

[thinkchip]

In a capitalist free market with the rule of law and strong respect for individual and property rights (like our Constitution demands) good business people win because then serving the customers is the only way a company is successful, not subsidies, regulation and other wealth-destroying immoral government interventions. The free market is the best way for roads and everything. it empowers and respects the individual. Barak W. Bush wants the power but I say Power to the people!!!!

[thinkchip]

it's not privatization that leads to fascism. the only reason that's a danger here is because we've gotten so far away from constitutionally limited government. the way you get fascism is when government (ignoring people's natural rights) helps or ignores when business harms people or the competition. The Constitution was created to protect people from the often treacherous, brutal force of government AND the rotten, unethical scum businesspeople that seek it's favor.

[Santarchy]

I don't want the government running the highways but I want even less corporations running them. This shit is a total sham to replace the tyranny of government with the tyranny of corporations. Same shit but even more removed from citizen influence.

[SymAmineC8H11N]

yes lets stop the liberal nazis from illegalizing or drugs & munitions

[eggyfranchise]

first of all liberal and nazis are complete opposites, conservatives are nazis. second liberals are on libertarians side on the drug war issue you fucking moron. half the responses they gave were liberal responses and half were conservative answers. thus making them libertarian

[SymAmineC8H11N]

uhmm.... a liberal & a nazi can be both 1 in the same. & you'd be suprised about how much liberals want to regulate things when it comes to drugs.

[tak178]

Nazis were in fact "National Socialists", and Facsists.  Progressivism and Fascism have more in common than Conservatism and Fascism...that's just a fact of history.

[zappawizard]

you are wrong actually.

Nazism is often considered by scholars to be a form of fascism. While it incorporated elements from both left and right-wing politics, the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the right. Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, Pan-Germanism, racism, collectivism, eugenics, antisemitism, anti-communism, totalitarianism and opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism.

[tak178]

Actually I'm not wrong. A little bit more study on Nazi philosophy and it's ties to progressivism would help you in this regard.

Eugenics, anti-Semetism, anti-Parliamentarism, Collectivism, Government-instituted Racism, and Totalitarianism are firmly on the left side of political thought. Pax Germania was firmly rooted in those beliefs. People say that fascism borrows from left and right, but Germany's take on it was decidedly Left Wing, where as Mussolini's take was decidedly Right Wing.

[RustyIronloins]

You are sort of right, but mostly wrong . . . the problem is that the term "liberal" has come to mean almost the opposite of what it originally meant. That fact alone kind of screws up your argument.

Classic Liberalism ≠ liberal

[Dancingdude1992]

Nazi stands for nationalsozialistiche or: the National Socialist German Workers Party.  The Nazis were far leftest. Eugenics and Racism are left wing.

[JoshuaSkye]

Another right-wing idiot. The Nazis were far-right nationalist conservatives. Hitler hated socialism and liberalism and openly denounced them, its well documented. Liberals need to stop letting republicans lie about history. Socialism, like democracy, is a wide spectrum of beliefs with leftists, rightists and moderates. The German leftists were Hitler's only opposition. The Social Republicans loved Hitler. Fact!!! Look it up.

[dankalmanson]

besides capitalists and jews (who held a lot of the nations wealth). Hitler was a socialist although not a Marxist. He was a national socialist to which each individual is property of the state. Marxist and national socialists are equally evil because of the centralization of power and no protection of the individuals right to life, liberty and property.

[jcdmachine]

It may be true that Hitlers opposition were leftist socialist and communists. But lets face it, the one thing a leftist, socialist or communists hates is another of his own kind that disagrees with him. Socialism is a big tent of hate. they even hate each other.

[MtnDwarf2]

Sorry Josh but your are apsolutely wrong. The nazi party was the nanational socialist workers party. This is 100% fact. All forms of fascism came from socialism. Communism and fascism are in practice the same thing they are just forms of statism. Big government always leads to totalitarianism. This is the fact that the totalitarian egalitarians (democrats) in America do not understand because none of them have studied history, political economy and economics.

[RuflessRecords]

Joshua Skye, "hitler hated socialism" is that why he called himself a National Socialist? The Nazis kind of combined socialism with nationalism and so don't neatly fit on either side, but like good socialists, they did nationalize industries, institute price controls, increase the size of the govt bureaucracy 20% between 1933 and 1939, attack religion, jailing hundreds of pastors, support euthanasia, etc etc.

[RuflessRecords]

JoshSkye, looking further at what you said, when did you decide to make up the non-existent term "Social Republican" in the context of 1930's Germany. There were Social Democrats, there was no such thing as Social Republicans. You're right Hitler hated the leftist Social Democrats, and the Communists. However, he did murder the rightwing former Chancellor of Germany before him, Kurt von Schleicher. And Nazis did murder the rightwing leader of Austria Englebert Dollfuss before it was annexed

[SaganAppreciationSoc]

If you think the Nazis were left-wing, then perhaps you also think GW Bush was a defender of the Bill Of Rights?

[EssiacHempLaetrile]

CANCER CURE = HEMP OIL

I dare reason TV to interview Rick Simpson and his cure for Cancer.

[scflyer55]

MMS

[EssiacHempLaetrile]

MMS? please explain

[Bound4NH]

The only place Stossel was off track was the issue of "private" Texas toll roads. We killed those because they weren't private at all: the state was going to use eminent domain and tax money to seize land and build roads, then turn it over to a private contractor.

Let private companies purchase land and build roads, and then charge so that they can make a profit.

Using the power of the state to direct profits to favored private companies is the economic model of fascism, not freedom.

[zappawizard]

exactly, privatization in this country will lead to true fascism.

[MooseOfReason]

Free Charlie Lynch. That would be real "change".

[PPPosse]

"SECURE OUR BORDER".........lil"Dog"

[robragland]

We should not break down resource availability based solely on profit. Road's exist to serve the several functions beyond business travel. Safety and freedom of access/travel are also reasons for roads to exist. Emergency access to alternative routes to/from a given area may be used too infrequently to be "profitable" and as such would not be opened/maintained by these corporations. As such, for example, when the time comes when we need these roads they are unavailable.

[badonkadonk34]

Your comment is completely unrelated to anything discussed in the video. They were speaking of selling toll roads. 10 out of 10 times private owners will run the roads more efficiently than the state. It has proven so in every sale thus far. Good luck.

[robragland]

My comment was directed at your overly generalized statement: "The only roads that should exist are proftiable ones." Well, I hope overly generalized. Otherwise it's asinine, as I point out in my response. Why are you wishing me good luck by the way?

The concept your raise of profit being the only way to determine if someone is doing a good job is also interesting. So research into infrequent but deadly diseases should be measured by the monetary compensation placed on the lives affected?

[badonkadonk34]

I generally end my comments with good luck if I have room - nothing meant by it but a genuine good luck. I never said profit is only way to determine if someone is doing a good job. But, I do believe you need to view money as human capital and debt as a claim on future human capital. If you do, it makes the tough choices our society is faced with a bit more real. I think there is a morality issue of loading my kids with debt for whatever the cause. If general welfare decisions are

[badonkadonk34]

Made at the state or local level and paid for in full with taxes, I am fine with that. I can have a hand in the decision process at the local level and you can be sure when you take from people immediately, they will let you know if its a bad idea. I have a problem with DC spending on bullshit and not taxing the people, but using debt and inflation to pay for it. If they did tax for all the bullshit, you, my friend, would be a libertarian too. Good luck.

[robragland]

I may BE a liberatarian, you don't know. I just may use a different bar to measure than you/others. As for DC spending and not taxing to fund "bullshit", the difference between each of us is what we define as "bullshit".

Unless you are trying to say that spending and not taxing (i.e., debt spending) for ANY reason is bullshit in itself.

And you actually did say profit was the ONLY way to measure: "Earning a profit is the only way anyone can determine whether or not someone is doing a good job."

[robragland]

I would prefer to see more emphasis placed on the competitive nature of business, and how the competition would be open and enforced as such. Who couldn't win a race when we break the legs of the other runners, or spike the Gatorade? Sure, business is not all winner takes all, as there are plenty of customers to go around and we usually don't see sole-source monopolies.But would the government ensure fair/honest competition, as I don't think the market can adjust fast enough w/today's tech.

[badonkadonk34]

I didn't say anything about profit - you have me confused with Leo. Anything that is not constitutional, is bullshit - but we can disagree. Again, states and local govts can do whatever the people who live there agree to. I want the government to enforce the law. From where I sit, almost every regulation is an attempt by that industry to limit competition. Remember, the U.S. mkt is 300mm people making independent decisions every second of every day, not just wall street.

[badonkadonk34]

And the mkt is trying to return us to a semblance of normalcy. Money is human capital. The US does not have the human capital to live like we do (we borrow China's human capital). The mkt understands our cash flow (human capital) can not sustain our debt (claim of future human capital) and is trying to correct this problem. It will be painful, but it can not be stopped. We can not have a govt this large financed by debt, it is unsustainable. We must make tough choices. Good luck.

[robragland]

I apologize, I was wrong. I did confuse you and Leo.

I also believe in the Constitution setting the limits and powers of the govt. I like the summary you gave about that a lot.

Some regulation is protecting the uninformed (and uninformable?) from the informed. Pharm, chemical, electrical, biological food safety, fraud, etc. Economic protection requires informed consent which requires information.

I've gone off topic perhaps from the video and commented on comments. Enough said. Thanks.

[badonkadonk34]

Good debate. Take care Robrag.

[josephk35]

The "REASONTV" in concert with dishonest ideologues like Stossel would better be called -- We can rationalize anything.

What the likes of the Reason Magazine Libertarians and Stossel fail to address is EVIDENCE.

Reason -- as a concept is extremely valuable. But they leave out equally valuable corollary to this capacity -- Namely EVIDENCE

Reason without EVIDENCE is masturbating in a dark closet. While it may bring You personal satisfaction, it provides nothing and likely leaves a bigger mess

[badonkadonk34]

Joseph - please visit mises website for volume after volume of "Evidence" on libertarianism. Please read Mish Shedlock, John Hussman, Kyle Bass, and Peter Schiff for volume after volume of "evidence" presented back in 2004-2007 about today's crisis. Why is Stossel a "dishonest ideologue"? Obama is a "dishonest ideologue" when he puts blind faith in Keynesian policies because it serves his agenda. He used fear to jam a $1T bailout down our throats despite decades of evidence against it.

[josephk35]

2 Right Wing Ideologues agree to agree -- what a shocker!!!

Anyone uprating this over the medical marijuana segment is an idiot.

It is better to look at the last half of the segment to really get the flavor of what these ideologues are all about. Privatize the roads -- so that the ONLY roads that will exist and be kept up are the "Profitable" ones? Universal Pre-K is a bad idea not because of any REASON -- rather simply because they don't BELIEVE it will work.

[muddywood]

Pot will never be totally legalized because GOVT wont be able to totally control it like alcohol.

Why you ask?

Because anyone can easily grow pot. Anyone can mare beer or booze for their own consumption but its difficult so people won't bother.....but they would grow pot if it were legal.

And if people did grow it then the GOVT wouldn't collect any tax revenue.

It's all about tax revenue.

[colonelmatterson]

I agree with a lot of this, though the basic idea of a preschool initiative is something I have a lot of respect for. The impact preschool has on kids in their formative years is tremendous. Since "free" is a heavy lift, a targeted subsidy might be a better approach...

[AshillaBeige]

If anyone here learned to read and write well at a young age, I can pretty much GUARANTEE your parents taught you that, and not the public school. I can also pretty much guarantee the kids who weren't so fortunate didn't learn to do that until much, much later and that you were annoyed by how much time you had to waste in a boring classroom when you could have been home.

[Atheistplumber]

Great video!!!!

[SaganAppreciationSoc]

So do Drew Carey and John Stossel have Mexicans working for them?

Drew Carey: pro home-schooling.

Private roads? These clowns forget history.

As for government "run" diners, well there should be special free-market diners for people like Carey and Stossel where there are no government health codes, no health inspections, and no hassling with USDA/FDA-inspected foods.

[JasonQLD]

SaganAppreciationSoc

Yeah, these guys should read "The Jungle" before they decide to deregulate the food industry.

[SaganAppreciationSoc]

Or even "Fast Food Nation".

[MtnDwarf2]

The Jungle failed to understand what actually created change in the food industry. The normal story for most of these issues is that government came in and forced business to behave. The greatest check on business is and always has been competition. What truly changed the meet packing industry was the advent of name brands for meet products. This essentially started bringing reputation into selling products so that now companies product sales would decline if they got a bad rap.

[MtnDwarf2]

The first company that started using name brands for their product had their sales sour forcing all other companies to fallow suit. This huge innovation led to greatly increased quality in meet products well before government regulation came on the seen.

[th3soulreaper]

I don't recognize him without the birth control glasses. XD

He is good though.

[XanadooXeno]

I now have much more respect and admiration for Drew Carey.

[jeffreywooten]

awesome possum!

[Dalhedaren]

omg I love him now <3 :D

[JoeTube27]

GOd that FAT PIG COP sounds like a DRONE. He should be locked up.

[grraadd]

O! Great stuff! You are fast like a lightning! I just heard about that program on the radio and here it is :-)

[thegzspot]

GREAT VIDEO!

[wisted]

This special will be fantastic television.

[shersondf]

First if you are going to build a effective wall it has to be around the entire united states, so...you want to pay for it? or end the Drug war, cripple drug cartels income by 60% by ending marijuana prohabition, We gave Mexico 100 million dollers to fight the drug war.....the Drug cartels profit about ten billion dollers a year selling drugs, so who can afford more weapons? The answer is right in front of your face, just pull your head out and you can see it.

[aallppiinnee]

The obsessive focus on drug legalization and complacency toward illegal immigration will continue to drive the Libertarian movement into the ground.

[LiberalshateAmerica]

aalippiinnee- I agree, build that damn wall so big you can see it from space!

[darkreign16]

Congratulations, you listen to Mark Levin and are capable of quoting him. Oh wait, you forgot the quotation marks.

[aallppiinnee]

So does that mean you agree or disagree? I'd rather see some critique of the point than an irrelevant jab about who else may have made it.

[darkreign16]

I agree that most people are too stupid to realize the importance of ending the war on drugs, yes. I also think that emphasis on ending it is part of what distinguishes the Libertarian party from other parties.

Just as Levin would not/does not want to change the republican party to fit more with society, I wouldn't want the Libertarian party to compromise their values. Fair enough?

Save money by ending the war on drugs = fiscally conservative sense

Freedom to choose = socially libertarian

[aallppiinnee]

My point is that you will never be able to reach that goal by starting with it.

[TehBANN3D]

That's because the platform of electoral politics is the wrong one to begin with.

[MagnusIan]

I love how much they say "bullshit." : D

[Transitiving]

"bullshit" speaking of good tv

[CrossoverManiac]

I was with them until they got to the part about private companies running roads. A company could arbitrarily deny access to people or small businesses as a means of start and maintain a monopoly. I believe private companies has as much business running roads as the government running business. Keep these entities out of each other sphere of influence.

[whoo689]

Every state should just secede from the union and be its independent country. It's time to rein in the power of the federal gov't once and for all. I don't need these jackasses claiming to represent me and all my countrymen and passing the most idiotic bills, spending like drunken sailors, and forcing me to pay into ponzi schemes like SS.

[JasonQLD]

whoo689

"Every state should just secede from the union and be its independent country."

They already tried that. Read your history books.

[DasCrushinator]

When was this?

[Amy31415]

Love Drew, love ReasonTV, love Stossel, love the Stossel-Stache the most.

Five stars!

[darealdjnutz]

How is Drew Carey a star? He's a fat hack.

[hotforshoes]

I feel like Drew Carey doesn't even necessarily know how to support his arguments, even though it's a good thing to be lending his well known name to a cause.

[chopsky]

I concur. From this small segment, his argument appears to be "government sucks!". Not much of an argument there.

[Aristotle100]

govt. does suck, whats your point??

[chopsky]

My point is that's not a good enough argument. You have to justify that.

[Aristotle100]

This is true haha I agree 100%. Hopefully this special is more than just that, although w/ Joh Stossel as the host we are almost assured of a well argued, well informed hour of television.

[burnhippiesforfuel]

i couldn't figure out when to comment. i love reason tv. GET OUT OF MY FUCKING DINER! red sweater chick looks hot saying 'bullshit'

[Libertarianist]

11 days till Charlie Lynch gets sentenced.

[truthadvocate]

theracemixer, too lazy to even make an argument? I think you're comment is bullshit! Why? Because you don't back up what you say with any valid points. There, that wasn't too hard.

[theracemixer]

can't be bothered

[whoo689]

Are you some statist welfare liberal who thinks the solution to problems caused by gov't, like high healthcare costs, is MORE gov't?

[austinisi]

this looks like it was put together differently than stossel's other stuff. maybe it's just because they tried to throw so much stuff in.

[Deadbirdcheese]

Woot! Go Drew! :)

[txballoonman]

Brilliant!  Watch Parties!

[pakratmak]

You guys absolutely have to post this episode online.