The largest pyramid in the world is not in Egypt, but is covered in jungle in Guatemala. Built by a king after the order of Pharoah, and not some chief in a hut. The legend of Quetzacoatl was born in Guatemala that a "white bearded God" appeared to them and taught them. I testify to you that it was the resurrected Christ that taught the descendants of the Maya. The Maya practiced baptism, circumcision on thier men, and sacrifice when the Catholic Spanish found them. John 10:16
Only the most gullible, uneducated people would take this trash seriously. The Native Americans aren't from the Middle East. There is no genetic or linguist link between the two civilizations. Go read some real history books, and you'll see how none of this is compatible with any serious attempt at understanding history. The Native Americans came here from Siberia some 12,000 years ago. They weren't Jews who got here a couple thousand years ago. That assertion is just, frankly, ludicrous.
@jewz456 You are clueless too. The small group of them did, and they were killed off. Just because it's like finding a needle in a haystack doesn't stop the veracity of the truthfulness of the book of Mormon. It's the word of God, and humble people will receive a witness of the Spirit.
@mormondefender26 So in 600 BC, this guy magically acquired the technology to build a ship that would let him cross half the world, even though that type of nautical technology wouldn't appear for about another 2000 years. The Bible is full of stupid, historically inaccurate things, but the Book of Mormon takes things to a whole new level. No serious scientist, anthropologist, linguist, or scholar takes any of this stuff seriously. It's complete bullshit.
@jewz456 No he didn't acquire it, god helped him build the ship. His brothers had the same idea as you did "how the heck would you know how to build a ship"...but he still built a ship.
Some people didn't believe there were any civilizations in the Americas, but archaeologists found the Mayans.. People also thought that Joseph Smith was crazy for thinking that America would become a great country (America was still a new country..remember?), but oh hey look. It became one of the world powers
@mormondefender26 Right. This guy built a ship capable of crossing the entire Indian Ocean and the Pacific Ocean in 600 BC? No one thought that the Americas were empty. You need to read the history of Spanish colonization. There were definitely very advanced societies when Europeans finally got here (2000 years after "Lehi" did). Joseph Smith is a moron with a criminal record of defrauding people. I would feel sorry for you, if it wasn't so painfully obvious that this is fake.
no...what this video is really all about is how the Mormon mind can come up with all this rationallity, their idea is so illogical that it defies reality, a small vessel crossing the vast pacific ocean on bravery alone? ...egads, somebody please give them a real fantasy book to read! How about Moby Dick or Robinson Cruso perhaps? These books tell the fictional story with far more detail than kid Joseph's one page. I mean common, get real.
@Rypaul5217 Alright, you write something like the Book of Mormon. You have to have a formal education of a 3rd grader, and you have to write 511 pages in ancient English with various writing styles, and create 150 new proper nouns within the course of about 80 days. You have to do no research, you have to use what you know. No mortal man could of written something as magnificent as the Book of Mormon given those constraints.
@LDS4Life71 So I guess you think Harry Potter series is biographical? There is no evidence of any kind. No DNA, archaeological, third party historical reference, and geographical evidence that even remotely speaks to the veracity of the Book of Mormon. Further the so called Book of Abraham translated by Joe Jr. turned out to be a Egyptian funerary rite written on papyrus. Joe Jr. had no idea that the Rosetta stone would be found and Egyptian hieroglyphics could be translated.
@BrotherMichael1000 You guessed wrong again. Go figure. FAIR has shown 81 evidences in favor of the book of Mormon. You're just angry, and wrong. Typical anti mormon bigot.
@LDS4Life71 LOL Seriously angry? Nice now your credibility is fully established now that we know you're empathic! Firstly I have not argued from emotion. I've argued from evidence and the evidence isn't in your favor. Name one evidence that FAIR has produced that would be accepted as so in scholastic circles concerning BOM inerrancy? Also calling someone a bigot doesn't negate facts. Why not just call me a nazi so you can further demonize me and side step my arguments.
@BrotherMichael1000 Zapotec, Mexico is the excavation site of metalurgy have been found. One of the native commonly used alloys from smelting they called TUMBAGA. Tumbaga is gold smelted with copper. The exact same microbe resistant material used for the plates that Joseph was instructed to translate. I don't need to sit and just demonize you. I can rattle off a bunch of evidences without even shrugging.
@LDS4Life71 "Tumbaga is gold smelted with copper. The exact same microbe resistant material used for the plates that Joseph was instructed to translate." While Tumbaga was in use at the beginning of the millennium AD in Central and South America it does provide a problem for your apologetics as Mormons maintain that the discs in question where around since 600 BC. By the way Tumbaga was used to create ritual ornament material for jewelry not books. Your argument already in trouble.
@BrotherMichael1000 actually its the perfect alloy. retains the appearance of gold, and is less malleable, and microbe resistant. Nope sorry. It fits perfectly, and makes perfect sense.
@LDS4Life71 While you may think this makes perfect sense you have a large problem. Name one book made of this alloy found in the Americas and has been tested, dated, and examined by scholars? Further the only things found made of Tumbaga are ritual jewelry. So again it doesn't fit perfectly with no evidence to verify your conclusion.
@LDS4Life71 Why should I study a Mormon apologetics site? Of course they will say they have evidence. The fact remains there is no evidence. None not even a stitch. Further Smith was completely wrong about everything in the BOM so far. Tools and weapons where made of shale and flint in the Americas. No city of Native American origin meets any of the criteria of any city listed in the BOM.
@BrotherMichael1000 There is geological evidence in Central america that a cateclysmpic event occurred at the time of Jesus Christ's death, and it involved earthquakes, and volcanic activity as was described in 3 Nephi 8-9. Joseph Smith has presented us with a document that describes catastrophic events far removed from his own experience. To me this is yet another evidence of the authenticity of the Book of Mormon.
@LDS4Life71 Again for the BOM to be authenticated then your church must produce said plates so they maybe dated, tested, and examined by scholars. While you may think this is wonderful proof of Joseph Smith's claims. I have to tell you that indeed it isn't proof at all. Further Smith claimed that he deciphered said book from a language known as reformed egyptian. Why is it that no other historians, and linguists have never heard of this language?
@BrotherMichael1000 There have been 60 examples of metal plates dug up from the ground around the world with religious criteria on them. Some of the said archaeological finds have even been bound by metal rings just like the plates Joseph found. You are not thinking clearly, and just bouncing around. Mayan glyphs are very much like reformed egyptian.
@LDS4Life71 Mayan engravings are nothing like Egyptian Hieroglyphs. Name one book of metal plates that has been found? Just name one! "You are not thinking clearly, and just bouncing around. Mayan glyphs are very much like reformed egyptian." Mayan glyphs bear no resemblance to Egyptian Hieroglyphs. The pity here for your case is they have been largely deciphered. Which punches a large hole in FAIR and Mormon theory. I'm being very clear you are still arguing using strawman.
@BrotherMichael1000 "Maya glyphs were used in the same six ways as those in Egyptian writing." (A Comparison of Maya and Egyptian Heiroglyphs, Katunob 11, August 1979, pg. 1-8.)(46)
Since were not makeing comments that have anything to do with the video, its Interesting that If I was an outsider looking in, based on who is being truly persecuted, thinking in reference to Jesus Christ being persecuted by the religious people of his time who in turn were being persecuted by the romans, I would think the Mormons being persecuted by the religious people of this time who in turn are being persecuted by the "world" it would seem logical that LDS are the true church. just sayin.
@ZorroTech88 So.....because the Siks were greatly persecuted along with the Buddhist sects in Japan in the past, that makes their claims true? The LDS church isn't being violently persecuted, they are being challenged with their inconsistencies, skeptical foundations, and the fact that they're just another works based religion, just like every other one.
wow ..i had no idea to what depths of odious dishonesty the LDS would stoop to to keep their poor parishoners in such a state o0f blissful bovine ignorance ..wake up people you all very well KNOW that there isnt "outsider computer science" and then an equally valid school of "mormon computer science " your PC and browser are the result of plain old science ...likewise ,the known movements of prehistoric peoples to america are grounded in ACTUAL science ,dont kid yourself ,this vid is pure BS!!
if you guys are really doubtful about this then why wont you go to local churches of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints and there ask questions, rather than posting some comments here which aren't significant at all... if you really are interested in knowing the truth find a way to face it, not stabbing in the back...its cowardice...
@gassybabyboy Sure!! And if you want to buy a used car, go talk to the used car salesman. Don't allow yourself to be deceived by a hateful anti-used car mechanic, who is only trying to find something wrong with it!!
Why does the Mormon church do any research at all? Don't they just tell people to pray to Heavenly Father and he will tell them that the BOM is true? What's happening now, they don't believe the answer they're getting from Heavenly Father? Are they actually going to try to proooove the BOM now? No! That would mean they would actually have to engage, answer direct questions and yes even admit, possibly, that they are incorrect, that the BOM is NOT true and that Joseph Smith was a fraud.
@copperman1964 Well it's true, they bash and talk trash and make false truths and lies about us. The facts still remain facts. Jesus Christ started a church with a Foundation of Apostles with authority to recieve the revelation to lead His sheep. But that foundation was killed off and the Apostacy begun.
Joseph Smith restrored the gospel of Jesus Christ and the Lord Commanded it to be so. The restoration is biblical.
@MrRomanceLanguages Mormons are happy and have a purpose, so no pity or prayers are needed. Yes Mormons have a sense of purpose unlike many "christians" who feel they are showing love and concern by tearing down other's faiths (including the mormon faith). Quite sure that if Christ were on the earth today he would not be holding Anti-Mormon, or Anti-Muslim, or Anti-SeventhDay Adventist seminars. Hell, nobody really and categorically knows what will happen after this life (including Mormons).
@luv4surf thanks for your wonderful comments, and you are absolutely right, and full of wisdom, and these anti mormons will wish one day they had never been born.
"take ye wives from among the Lamanites" Joseph Smith Jr...
"The term Lamanite includes all Indians and Indian mixtures, such as the Polynesians, the Guatemalans, the Peruvians, as well as the Sioux, the Apache, the Mohawk, the Navajo, and others" Spencer Kimball...
D & C 28:8 is a revelation directed at sending Oliver Cowdery on a mission to the Indians, ...... you shall go unto the Lamanites and preach my gospel unto them. JS Jr.
@kramd1 The introduction is not part of the scripture; it's just an intro based on opinion - not part of the scripture. The first intro was written by Bruce McConkie, who was already aware of the possibility that not all Native Americans are of Hebrew origin. In fact, long before he wrote the introduction, he actually wrote a book in which he says that not all natives are descedants of Hebrew colonists. He actually acknowledged the strong possibility that some natives were Asian in origin.
@kramd1 No. He accepted the possibility that many Native Americans came from Asia. More than a decade later, he wrote the introduction to the BoM when he still believed that many Native Americans came from Asia instead of Israel. The introduction was based on popular opinion of the day but it was not doctrine. McConkie even said that the intro was not doctrine.
crap while I'm here anyone who read anything from Ixtlilxochitl will see an obvious connection between the Jaredites and the Olmec. He states that Mexican's ancestors were giants, that they had many wars and dissensions among themselves (Sounds AGAIN like the Book of Ether) - The "giants" part is great - because the armor the Nephites found was too big for them! Ixtlilxochitl talks about Mexico's ancestors crossing the sea after building a great tower, and living in caves. Ether again all there
This is great stuff. I like the non LDS stuff better. Example: "Quest for the Lost Civilization" by Graham Hancock talks about how the Olmec got to the Americas - on "boats without paddles" - sounds a lot like the Book of Ether don't it? It should - the time line matches too! What kind of people were the Olmec? African and bearded white guys! The 1st pottery found matches when the Jaredites arrived according the BOM. So do the high-points and fall of the two civilizations - fairy tale? Ha!
"Mormons need to stop trying to justify their absurd fairy tales... I will pray for you..." and mainstream Christianity is different how?? It's faith based belief not empirical observation that any archaic religion rests on. Mormons have a pre-columbian oceanic journey to think and wrestle about and others have a world wide flood, the creation story, evolution, and a God who refuses to show himself or present empirical proof he exists. Be careful when trying to extracting those motes.
THE LDS CHURCH IS FALSE & JOSEPH SMITH WAS A FALSE PROPHET. Mormons need to stop trying to justify their absurd fairy tales. It's really pathetic how you constantly have keep reassuring each other that your church is "true". If you didn't do so, your members would probably start having doubts & they'd discover the truth. Although, I must admit that it's a brilliant strategy to keep people believing the countless lies they're constantly told. I feel great pity for Mormons & I will pray for you...
@MrRomanceLanguages The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible and is a record of God's dealings with His chosen people in the New World. The main purpose of the Book of Mormon is "to the convincing of Jew and Gentile that JESUS is the CHRIST, the ETERNAL GOD, manifesting himself unto all nations." (Book of Mormon Title Page) It was written by ancient American prophets for our day (Mormon 8:35) and is an American testament of the Lord Jesus Christ.
@LDS4Life71 So the main purpose of the BoM is to teach of Jesus? Which is what the Bible teaches, so why do we need this new book? Especially when the Bible contains scripture that reads, "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed" Galatians 1:8. Where in the Bible does it mention "more to come later", no where, The Holy Bible is part 1 of 1 of the Gospel. The BoM is a tool of evil.
@thesameandnotthesame More like you're a tool of evil. your ignorance is proof enough. The book of Mormon is the stick of Joseph in the hand of Ephraim and seen by old testament prophets, and Isaiah and most of them foretold of the coming of the book. Your reference to Galatians is not being honest at all.
When you put that into context it's not dealing with the book of Mormon, but the law of circumcision that the jewish Christian were still insisting upon.
@LDS4Life71 My reference to Galatians is just fine, thank you very much. Also I don't really trust the interpretations of scripture from someone who testifies that Joe saw God and Jesus. Perhaps you should read up on Ex. 33:20, John 1:18 and 1 John 4:12 and Timothy 6:16
@thesameandnotthesame How do you know your interpretation is correct? Are you a prophet? lol
No jerky. You're so incorrect. The bok of Mormon is the stickof Joseph in the hand of Ephraim, and it is the book that will bring Eternal life spoken of by Ezekiel and Isaiah.
@thesameandnotthesame The spirit of apostasy and the increasing influence of Hellenization contributed to a spiritual and doctrinal decline in the second and third centuries. According to this thesis, the result was that early Christianity, rooted in apocalyptic Judaism, was transformed into a synthetic blend of "Christianity" and pagan Platonic philosophy. The process of Hellenization was so severe that it literally killed the religion Christ founded and replaced it with something else.
@LDS4Life71 Wow...and how is it corrupted? I would think that all glory in the bible would go to man as a result, but you don't find that any where in scripture. We're humbled to the dirt
@dzindzichvilli You mean loony to the dirt. The bible was not a perfect translation by any means, and Gods word is not over. His words are forever, and God is NOT done speaking to his children. It's so obvious you do not know him.
Is it interesting that Joseph name was going to be had for both good and bad; what a brilliant fulfilment of prophecy by Moroni. Interesting those who fulfil prohpecy are the ones who dont know.
Let the mormons think what they may because when they stand before God to be judged they won't be able to argue who's right and who's wrong...God will set them straight and 1 more thought...there will be "BILLIONS" of souls in "HELL" and maybe only a few millions that get saved and live with Christ.
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After serving a Mormon mission in southern Africa, Jeff graduated from Brigham Young University, where he received a BA in International Relations and an MA
Dieter Uchtdorf, second counselor in the LDS First Presidency, told Mormons he doesn't know what causes homosexuality but he knows that God expects everyone to meet the same standard ("LDS leader weighs in on same-sex attraction," Tribune, Oct. 26).
Communities such as Raymond, Cardston and Magrath, where there are sizable Mormon populations, all make the move. Raymond Mayor George Bohne says the town ...
An LDS church was damaged in Pleasant Grove Friday after teens broke in and started multiple fires.
Pleasant Grove deputy fire chief Dave Thomas said three boys and one girl between 13 and 14 years old got into the church at 1300 W. 56 South by climbing in through a window between 4 and 5 p.m. He said the teens went through the church throwing items, overturning tables and vandalizing the building.
His maternal great-great-grandfather, a Mormon convert named William Stirling, emigrated from Scotland in 1862, crossing the plains with a company of Mormon pioneers 650 strong. Upon arrival William was dispatched to southern Utah, where he and his wife Sarah Ann helped settle the town of Leeds, just north of St. George. .
Life is full of quizzes and exams and individuals must learn, listen and walk to pass the different tests, Elder Walter F. Gonzalez of the Presidency of the Seventy said during the Brigham Young University-Idaho devotional Nov. 16.
I'm back from my little sojourn at Utah State University--the former agricultural college that is now a splendid city on a hill at the Cache Valley end of beautiful Logan Canyon. They reckon that of its 15,000 undergraduates, 85 percent are LDS. The Mormon equivalent of a Catholic Newman Club and a Jewish Hillel House is an Institute of Religion, and at USU the Institute, adjacent to the student center, counts between six and seven thousand regulars.
Anybody notice Brigham Young's inclusion on the list? To explain how that Mormon university landed on the list, you have to understand that the survey didn't attempt to measure these two things:
How much reckless sex is taking place on campuses?
How many sexually transmitted disease cases are treated on individual campuses each year?
If those were the measure, Brigham Young surely wouldn't be trapped in the cellar.
When you think about the path they took, It only makes sense that the Book of Mormon would come forth in this way. People say, if this was the Word of God, it would have come forth 2000 years ago, but it was written in America, only making sense that it would come forth when established Christians occupied America.
I found a lamanite arrowhead in southern Utah that had chisel marks on it. It was used in a great battle between the Nephites and lamanites. I also found a big rock that Mormon threw at Zelph for disobeying orders, and later used as a pillow that same night. What do yah mean there is no evidence for the BookofMoreman? There are dirt mounds, big rocks everywhere and "swords of steel" made from tree limbs and sharpened stones.
@omiolo The only reality to Ether is when a doctor uses it to knock you out. Josephs doctrines are used to scare people into submission. Jesus Christ had nothing to do with it.
@omiolo food for thought. fyi Did you know that espresso has less caffeine than coffee? Tea has even less and it's good for the body. Many drink caffeinated drinks and live beyond 100. Joseph lied, and you believed him.
@omiolo When history doesn't agree with the church description, do you close your eyes to block the evidence? 150 years before science? Were all of the groups pushing abstinance along with other health issues ahead of their day like Joseph? Joseph caught a ride on every whim that passed by. Mormons have been spoon fed the same deception regarding a women to men ratio. Women never out numbered the men. The brethren were just greedy. Now! Don't read any history that will tarnish the testimony
Homosexuality is a consequence of the fallen nature of man. You cannot shock a young man into submission. Men in authority cannot fix this problem. Only God can fix it. The facts are, some are genetic, some are social environment. Anyone claiming they can fix these problems are foolish. A sin is a sin. Lying and pride are just as sinful as adultery or homosexuality. Seeking to quantify a sin will face condemnation from the eternal God.
@LDS4Life71 If your suggesting there is evidence ( any ) in this video then I take your intelligence is juvenile or at best effected by a mormon psychosis.
I am coming to a realisation that mormon logic if fuzzy, confused, idiotic and severely dependant on this testimony swearing that you tout as evidence.
@LDS4Life71 If your suggesting there is evidence ( any ) in this video then I take your intelligence is juvenile or at best effected by a mormon psychosis.
I am coming to a realisation that mormon logic if fuzzy, confused, idiotic and severely dependant on this testimony swearing that you tout as evidence.
The scholars at FAIR are being realistic and at least taking all the facts and putting them into spectrum. The prophet Joseph Smith could not have known any of this.
@LDS4Life71 facts ! , what is your definition of evidence ?
there is not one shred of evidence in the vid. How can you even say " Joseph Smith could not have known this " Known what ? I'm not trying to be rude I just don't your logic. : )
"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."
nearly 200 years has passed and there is still no identified geographical location of Zarahemla let alone artefacts ie: steel swords, armies, horses, elephants etc all claimed to have existed in the book of mormon tale.
Furthermore , DNA findings have prompted the LDS church to change the preface of the book of mormon substituting "Principle descendants" to: "are among" the native american indians.????????
He later married in the temple and raised a family that includes two sons who've served missions. He translated General Conference speeches for 20 years, served as a temple ordinance worker in the Ogden temple and then served another Thai mission with his wife. (There were 200 members when Seangsuwan joined the church. There were 15,000 when he and his wife returned.)
He served that mission well. Because he understood the culture, he could help educate other missionaries and save them from making simple mistakes that could greatly offend the Thai people. (In the early years, a missionary went to prison for sitting on a statue of Buddha as he posed for a picture.)
" here they simply draw a map, name the places, give us a geography lesson, "The ocean journey BofM EVIDENCE" tittle should be " name the places on a map"
I'm sorry, but how is this evidence for the historicity of the Book of Mormon? All it does is present an unsubstiated, entirely hypothetical route for Lehi's family.
This video is very interesting. It's logical and makes sense. That is one thing I love about my religion: Mormonism is so logical! It is also logical to expect that there will be more evidence for the Book of Mormon as time goes on, and technology makes research more accurate.
Unfortunately, it is also logical to suppose that to some people it won't make any difference. They would refuse to believe if Moroni himself presented the golden plates to them.
I'm afraid that I can't agree with you. Mormonism is just as full of internal inconsistency as any other religion--perhaps even more so than other religions, seeing as it's built upon the utterly nonsensical Judeo-Christian tradition.
I'm simply telling you what a believer thinks. Why should Nephi's journey or the Jaredite's journey be any different than Noah's Ark or the Exodus? God is a free pass out of Logic Land. I'm not a Mormon. I just find the BOM & Mormonism interesting.
I'm well versed in historical Mormonism, actually. I find several of the American religions fascinating: Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientology, Nation of Islam, UFO 'believers'. Perhaps I shd clarify further by saying that I am an atheist!
For Joseph Smith to have written about inland land routes on the Arabian peninsula is not coincidental. There is no way Joseph Smith could have known about Nahom. There was no such location on any map available to the young prophet.
The title of this video series is a misnomer. There has been no "evidence" presented, only opinions and speculation. How is this "evidence" of anything?
No. All the evidence I have been able to gather since age 14 (irony?) and onward has contradicted what the church claims and helps to reinforce my atheism. There are five different versions of the first vision. The scrolls of abraham have been shown to not say a thing that Joseph Smith has claimed they would. There was no wheeled vehicles in the Americas before the Europeans came, contradictory to what it says in the book of mormon. These are just a few of the many.
Why would the lord LIE to joseph smith when he had him write the Pearl of Great price? Or was Joseph that was lying? Why did Joseph give five different versions of the first vision?
Why don't you take your anti-mormon behind to FAIR and look it up. I'm not explaining anymore to your silly drivel! The anti mormon questions put forth here are redundant and have been proven. The article is on FAIRWIKIdotORG.
No sense continually cutting and pasting the answer OVER and OVER for each and every one of you that feels the need to ask the same old questions.
Kru, this is a typical response from those who are desperate to validate the fabricated BoM. Notice how he/she gets heated a few posts below.
God help us if these people took control and taught this as real history. It is shameful that these people feed these lies to others around the world.
Simple, there is no evidence for the BoM, although there is nothing wrong with believing it out of faith. Afterall, you dont need evidence to have faith.
And what explaining would I have to do? I dont believe in Mormon theology so therefore how can something I dont even believe in affect me? It's nothing but mind and fear control.
Anyway, I really dont care in what nonsense it is that the BoM teaches. I am very happy to "fight" it and against the nonsense it teaches.
I bet if Joseph Smith said the Little Red Riding Hood was true and made a religion out of it, you people would be all over it.
And thou seest that we know that thy plan was a very subtle plan as to the subtlety of the devil, for to lie and to deceive this people that thou mightest set them against us, to revile us and to cast us out.
Now this was a plan of Thine adversary, and he hath exercised his power in thee. Now I would that ye should remember that what I say unto thee.
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The largest pyramid in the world is not in Egypt, but is covered in jungle in Guatemala. Built by a king after the order of Pharoah, and not some chief in a hut. The legend of Quetzacoatl was born in Guatemala that a "white bearded God" appeared to them and taught them. I testify to you that it was the resurrected Christ that taught the descendants of the Maya. The Maya practiced baptism, circumcision on thier men, and sacrifice when the Catholic Spanish found them. John 10:16
LDS4Life71 1 week ago
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LDS4Life71 1 week ago
Only the most gullible, uneducated people would take this trash seriously. The Native Americans aren't from the Middle East. There is no genetic or linguist link between the two civilizations. Go read some real history books, and you'll see how none of this is compatible with any serious attempt at understanding history. The Native Americans came here from Siberia some 12,000 years ago. They weren't Jews who got here a couple thousand years ago. That assertion is just, frankly, ludicrous.
jewz456 1 month ago
@jewz456 You are clueless too. The small group of them did, and they were killed off. Just because it's like finding a needle in a haystack doesn't stop the veracity of the truthfulness of the book of Mormon. It's the word of God, and humble people will receive a witness of the Spirit.
LDS4Life71 1 week ago
@jewz456 The book of Mormon is NOT claiming that Lehi and his people were alone. There WERE other groups living there in the area!
LDS4Life71 1 week ago
Right, so in 600 BC a man with a raft crossed 6,500 miles of open ocean? Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
jewz456 1 month ago
@jewz456 Not a raft, mr.ikknowitallbutididn'tevenstudyanyhthing. They built an actual ship.
mormondefender26 1 month ago
@mormondefender26 So in 600 BC, this guy magically acquired the technology to build a ship that would let him cross half the world, even though that type of nautical technology wouldn't appear for about another 2000 years. The Bible is full of stupid, historically inaccurate things, but the Book of Mormon takes things to a whole new level. No serious scientist, anthropologist, linguist, or scholar takes any of this stuff seriously. It's complete bullshit.
jewz456 1 month ago
@jewz456 No he didn't acquire it, god helped him build the ship. His brothers had the same idea as you did "how the heck would you know how to build a ship"...but he still built a ship.
Some people didn't believe there were any civilizations in the Americas, but archaeologists found the Mayans.. People also thought that Joseph Smith was crazy for thinking that America would become a great country (America was still a new country..remember?), but oh hey look. It became one of the world powers
mormondefender26 1 month ago
@mormondefender26 Right. This guy built a ship capable of crossing the entire Indian Ocean and the Pacific Ocean in 600 BC? No one thought that the Americas were empty. You need to read the history of Spanish colonization. There were definitely very advanced societies when Europeans finally got here (2000 years after "Lehi" did). Joseph Smith is a moron with a criminal record of defrauding people. I would feel sorry for you, if it wasn't so painfully obvious that this is fake.
jewz456 1 month ago
ROFL LOL! oh man! This video is such a big joke!
no...what this video is really all about is how the Mormon mind can come up with all this rationallity, their idea is so illogical that it defies reality, a small vessel crossing the vast pacific ocean on bravery alone? ...egads, somebody please give them a real fantasy book to read! How about Moby Dick or Robinson Cruso perhaps? These books tell the fictional story with far more detail than kid Joseph's one page. I mean common, get real.
Rypaul5217 2 months ago
@Rypaul5217 Alright, you write something like the Book of Mormon. You have to have a formal education of a 3rd grader, and you have to write 511 pages in ancient English with various writing styles, and create 150 new proper nouns within the course of about 80 days. You have to do no research, you have to use what you know. No mortal man could of written something as magnificent as the Book of Mormon given those constraints.
RainbowManification 1 month ago
@RainbowManification
I have debated this dude for days. I have given him lots of facts and great answers. Nothing seems to get through to him..
hes a tough cookie cut lol
jaromsmiss 1 month ago
@jaromsmiss No he's stubborn, and wicked. Rypauls whole arguement is based on the assumptions of liars.
LDS4Life71 1 month ago
@jaromsmiss Some men you just can't reach. There are many Korihor's that exist today.
RainbowManification 1 month ago
@jaromsmiss watch?v=G1mFdO1wB08 please for your sake actually watch this video.
BrotherMichael1000 1 month ago
@BrotherMichael1000 shut up. The book of Mormon is true.
LDS4Life71 1 week ago
@LDS4Life71 So I guess you think Harry Potter series is biographical? There is no evidence of any kind. No DNA, archaeological, third party historical reference, and geographical evidence that even remotely speaks to the veracity of the Book of Mormon. Further the so called Book of Abraham translated by Joe Jr. turned out to be a Egyptian funerary rite written on papyrus. Joe Jr. had no idea that the Rosetta stone would be found and Egyptian hieroglyphics could be translated.
BrotherMichael1000 1 week ago
@BrotherMichael1000 You guessed wrong again. Go figure. FAIR has shown 81 evidences in favor of the book of Mormon. You're just angry, and wrong. Typical anti mormon bigot.
LDS4Life71 1 week ago
@LDS4Life71 LOL Seriously angry? Nice now your credibility is fully established now that we know you're empathic! Firstly I have not argued from emotion. I've argued from evidence and the evidence isn't in your favor. Name one evidence that FAIR has produced that would be accepted as so in scholastic circles concerning BOM inerrancy? Also calling someone a bigot doesn't negate facts. Why not just call me a nazi so you can further demonize me and side step my arguments.
BrotherMichael1000 1 week ago
@BrotherMichael1000 Zapotec, Mexico is the excavation site of metalurgy have been found. One of the native commonly used alloys from smelting they called TUMBAGA. Tumbaga is gold smelted with copper. The exact same microbe resistant material used for the plates that Joseph was instructed to translate. I don't need to sit and just demonize you. I can rattle off a bunch of evidences without even shrugging.
LDS4Life71 1 week ago
@LDS4Life71 "Tumbaga is gold smelted with copper. The exact same microbe resistant material used for the plates that Joseph was instructed to translate." While Tumbaga was in use at the beginning of the millennium AD in Central and South America it does provide a problem for your apologetics as Mormons maintain that the discs in question where around since 600 BC. By the way Tumbaga was used to create ritual ornament material for jewelry not books. Your argument already in trouble.
BrotherMichael1000 1 week ago
@BrotherMichael1000 actually its the perfect alloy. retains the appearance of gold, and is less malleable, and microbe resistant. Nope sorry. It fits perfectly, and makes perfect sense.
LDS4Life71 1 week ago
@LDS4Life71 While you may think this makes perfect sense you have a large problem. Name one book made of this alloy found in the Americas and has been tested, dated, and examined by scholars? Further the only things found made of Tumbaga are ritual jewelry. So again it doesn't fit perfectly with no evidence to verify your conclusion.
BrotherMichael1000 1 week ago
@BrotherMichael1000 FAIR has identified 81 evidences in favor of the book of Mormon.
BMAF.org
you can study it yourself.
The book of Mormon is 100% authentic part of ancient meso american history.
LDS4Life71 1 week ago
@LDS4Life71 Why should I study a Mormon apologetics site? Of course they will say they have evidence. The fact remains there is no evidence. None not even a stitch. Further Smith was completely wrong about everything in the BOM so far. Tools and weapons where made of shale and flint in the Americas. No city of Native American origin meets any of the criteria of any city listed in the BOM.
BrotherMichael1000 1 week ago
@BrotherMichael1000 You refuse to look is all, but there is evidence. More evidence today than even the old testament.
LDS4Life71 1 week ago
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@LDS4Life71 check out bmaf.org
The book of Mormon is not a fabrication, but is exactly what Smith said it was.
Evangelicals are straight up not born again, and not part of Christ's fold.
EvangelicalsRLiars 4 days ago
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@BrotherMichael1000 You refuse to look is all, but there is evidence. More evidence today than even the old testament.
LDS4Life71 1 week ago
@BrotherMichael1000 There is geological evidence in Central america that a cateclysmpic event occurred at the time of Jesus Christ's death, and it involved earthquakes, and volcanic activity as was described in 3 Nephi 8-9. Joseph Smith has presented us with a document that describes catastrophic events far removed from his own experience. To me this is yet another evidence of the authenticity of the Book of Mormon.
LDS4Life71 1 week ago
@LDS4Life71 Again for the BOM to be authenticated then your church must produce said plates so they maybe dated, tested, and examined by scholars. While you may think this is wonderful proof of Joseph Smith's claims. I have to tell you that indeed it isn't proof at all. Further Smith claimed that he deciphered said book from a language known as reformed egyptian. Why is it that no other historians, and linguists have never heard of this language?
BrotherMichael1000 1 week ago
@BrotherMichael1000 There have been 60 examples of metal plates dug up from the ground around the world with religious criteria on them. Some of the said archaeological finds have even been bound by metal rings just like the plates Joseph found. You are not thinking clearly, and just bouncing around. Mayan glyphs are very much like reformed egyptian.
LDS4Life71 1 week ago
@LDS4Life71 Mayan engravings are nothing like Egyptian Hieroglyphs. Name one book of metal plates that has been found? Just name one! "You are not thinking clearly, and just bouncing around. Mayan glyphs are very much like reformed egyptian." Mayan glyphs bear no resemblance to Egyptian Hieroglyphs. The pity here for your case is they have been largely deciphered. Which punches a large hole in FAIR and Mormon theory. I'm being very clear you are still arguing using strawman.
BrotherMichael1000 1 week ago
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@BrotherMichael1000 "Maya glyphs were used in the same six ways as those in Egyptian writing." (A Comparison of Maya and Egyptian Heiroglyphs, Katunob 11, August 1979, pg. 1-8.)(46)
LOL nothing my butt!
LDS4Life71 1 week ago
Since were not makeing comments that have anything to do with the video, its Interesting that If I was an outsider looking in, based on who is being truly persecuted, thinking in reference to Jesus Christ being persecuted by the religious people of his time who in turn were being persecuted by the romans, I would think the Mormons being persecuted by the religious people of this time who in turn are being persecuted by the "world" it would seem logical that LDS are the true church. just sayin.
ZorroTech88 3 months ago
@ZorroTech88 So.....because the Siks were greatly persecuted along with the Buddhist sects in Japan in the past, that makes their claims true? The LDS church isn't being violently persecuted, they are being challenged with their inconsistencies, skeptical foundations, and the fact that they're just another works based religion, just like every other one.
dzindzichvilli 2 months ago
wow ..i had no idea to what depths of odious dishonesty the LDS would stoop to to keep their poor parishoners in such a state o0f blissful bovine ignorance ..wake up people you all very well KNOW that there isnt "outsider computer science" and then an equally valid school of "mormon computer science " your PC and browser are the result of plain old science ...likewise ,the known movements of prehistoric peoples to america are grounded in ACTUAL science ,dont kid yourself ,this vid is pure BS!!
woodenmajor 4 months ago
if you guys are really doubtful about this then why wont you go to local churches of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints and there ask questions, rather than posting some comments here which aren't significant at all... if you really are interested in knowing the truth find a way to face it, not stabbing in the back...its cowardice...
gassybabyboy 4 months ago in playlist Book of Mormon - Lehi's Journey of Faith
@gassybabyboy Sure!! And if you want to buy a used car, go talk to the used car salesman. Don't allow yourself to be deceived by a hateful anti-used car mechanic, who is only trying to find something wrong with it!!
CounterCultureLives 4 months ago
Why does the Mormon church do any research at all? Don't they just tell people to pray to Heavenly Father and he will tell them that the BOM is true? What's happening now, they don't believe the answer they're getting from Heavenly Father? Are they actually going to try to proooove the BOM now? No! That would mean they would actually have to engage, answer direct questions and yes even admit, possibly, that they are incorrect, that the BOM is NOT true and that Joseph Smith was a fraud.
freestanding1000 4 months ago
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@copperman1964 Well it's true, they bash and talk trash and make false truths and lies about us. The facts still remain facts. Jesus Christ started a church with a Foundation of Apostles with authority to recieve the revelation to lead His sheep. But that foundation was killed off and the Apostacy begun.
Joseph Smith restrored the gospel of Jesus Christ and the Lord Commanded it to be so. The restoration is biblical.
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@MrRomanceLanguages Mormons are happy and have a purpose, so no pity or prayers are needed. Yes Mormons have a sense of purpose unlike many "christians" who feel they are showing love and concern by tearing down other's faiths (including the mormon faith). Quite sure that if Christ were on the earth today he would not be holding Anti-Mormon, or Anti-Muslim, or Anti-SeventhDay Adventist seminars. Hell, nobody really and categorically knows what will happen after this life (including Mormons).
cineman3012 6 months ago
Stone buildings pyramids or ziggurats are not mentioned in the book of mormon.
kramd1 8 months ago
What part of this video contained the evidence*? I must have missed it amidst the wonderful story telling.
gurumagoo 8 months ago
@luv4surf thanks for your wonderful comments, and you are absolutely right, and full of wisdom, and these anti mormons will wish one day they had never been born.
LDS4Life71 8 months ago
@luv4surf <======== mormon
kramd1 9 months ago
QUOTES :
"take ye wives from among the Lamanites" Joseph Smith Jr...
"The term Lamanite includes all Indians and Indian mixtures, such as the Polynesians, the Guatemalans, the Peruvians, as well as the Sioux, the Apache, the Mohawk, the Navajo, and others" Spencer Kimball...
D & C 28:8 is a revelation directed at sending Oliver Cowdery on a mission to the Indians, ...... you shall go unto the Lamanites and preach my gospel unto them. JS Jr.
kramd1 9 months ago
"Lamanites were the principal ancestors of American Indians,"
the Book of Mormon changed its introduction to read:
"Lamanites were among the ancestors of the American Indians." reassuring evidence that the Book of Mormon is a Novel. ie fictional.
kramd1 9 months ago
@kramd1 The introduction is not part of the scripture; it's just an intro based on opinion - not part of the scripture. The first intro was written by Bruce McConkie, who was already aware of the possibility that not all Native Americans are of Hebrew origin. In fact, long before he wrote the introduction, he actually wrote a book in which he says that not all natives are descedants of Hebrew colonists. He actually acknowledged the strong possibility that some natives were Asian in origin.
theephraimite 9 months ago
@theephraimite Oh I see, Mr Bruce McConkie got it wrong.
kramd1 9 months ago
@kramd1 No. He accepted the possibility that many Native Americans came from Asia. More than a decade later, he wrote the introduction to the BoM when he still believed that many Native Americans came from Asia instead of Israel. The introduction was based on popular opinion of the day but it was not doctrine. McConkie even said that the intro was not doctrine.
theephraimite 9 months ago
As did Joseph Smith.
kramd1 9 months ago
@kramd1 their book is fiction pure and simple
jadetiger88888 6 months ago
crap while I'm here anyone who read anything from Ixtlilxochitl will see an obvious connection between the Jaredites and the Olmec. He states that Mexican's ancestors were giants, that they had many wars and dissensions among themselves (Sounds AGAIN like the Book of Ether) - The "giants" part is great - because the armor the Nephites found was too big for them! Ixtlilxochitl talks about Mexico's ancestors crossing the sea after building a great tower, and living in caves. Ether again all there
Dalessiokiller 9 months ago
This is great stuff. I like the non LDS stuff better. Example: "Quest for the Lost Civilization" by Graham Hancock talks about how the Olmec got to the Americas - on "boats without paddles" - sounds a lot like the Book of Ether don't it? It should - the time line matches too! What kind of people were the Olmec? African and bearded white guys! The 1st pottery found matches when the Jaredites arrived according the BOM. So do the high-points and fall of the two civilizations - fairy tale? Ha!
Dalessiokiller 9 months ago
The more we study and the more information we have the closer we get to the truth. It is a beautiful thing to be a Mormon Christian.
MormonsLoveFamilies 9 months ago
"Mormons need to stop trying to justify their absurd fairy tales... I will pray for you..." and mainstream Christianity is different how?? It's faith based belief not empirical observation that any archaic religion rests on. Mormons have a pre-columbian oceanic journey to think and wrestle about and others have a world wide flood, the creation story, evolution, and a God who refuses to show himself or present empirical proof he exists. Be careful when trying to extracting those motes.
onhech 9 months ago
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windigo77 10 months ago
THE LDS CHURCH IS FALSE & JOSEPH SMITH WAS A FALSE PROPHET. Mormons need to stop trying to justify their absurd fairy tales. It's really pathetic how you constantly have keep reassuring each other that your church is "true". If you didn't do so, your members would probably start having doubts & they'd discover the truth. Although, I must admit that it's a brilliant strategy to keep people believing the countless lies they're constantly told. I feel great pity for Mormons & I will pray for you...
MrRomanceLanguages 11 months ago
@MrRomanceLanguages The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible and is a record of God's dealings with His chosen people in the New World. The main purpose of the Book of Mormon is "to the convincing of Jew and Gentile that JESUS is the CHRIST, the ETERNAL GOD, manifesting himself unto all nations." (Book of Mormon Title Page) It was written by ancient American prophets for our day (Mormon 8:35) and is an American testament of the Lord Jesus Christ.
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71 So the main purpose of the BoM is to teach of Jesus? Which is what the Bible teaches, so why do we need this new book? Especially when the Bible contains scripture that reads, "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed" Galatians 1:8. Where in the Bible does it mention "more to come later", no where, The Holy Bible is part 1 of 1 of the Gospel. The BoM is a tool of evil.
thesameandnotthesame 3 months ago
@thesameandnotthesame More like you're a tool of evil. your ignorance is proof enough. The book of Mormon is the stick of Joseph in the hand of Ephraim and seen by old testament prophets, and Isaiah and most of them foretold of the coming of the book. Your reference to Galatians is not being honest at all.
When you put that into context it's not dealing with the book of Mormon, but the law of circumcision that the jewish Christian were still insisting upon.
LDS4Life71 3 months ago
@LDS4Life71 My reference to Galatians is just fine, thank you very much. Also I don't really trust the interpretations of scripture from someone who testifies that Joe saw God and Jesus. Perhaps you should read up on Ex. 33:20, John 1:18 and 1 John 4:12 and Timothy 6:16
thesameandnotthesame 3 months ago
@thesameandnotthesame How do you know your interpretation is correct? Are you a prophet? lol
No jerky. You're so incorrect. The bok of Mormon is the stickof Joseph in the hand of Ephraim, and it is the book that will bring Eternal life spoken of by Ezekiel and Isaiah.
You got nothing.
LDS4Life71 3 months ago
@thesameandnotthesame The spirit of apostasy and the increasing influence of Hellenization contributed to a spiritual and doctrinal decline in the second and third centuries. According to this thesis, the result was that early Christianity, rooted in apocalyptic Judaism, was transformed into a synthetic blend of "Christianity" and pagan Platonic philosophy. The process of Hellenization was so severe that it literally killed the religion Christ founded and replaced it with something else.
LDS4Life71 3 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Wow...and how is it corrupted? I would think that all glory in the bible would go to man as a result, but you don't find that any where in scripture. We're humbled to the dirt
dzindzichvilli 2 months ago
@dzindzichvilli You mean loony to the dirt. The bible was not a perfect translation by any means, and Gods word is not over. His words are forever, and God is NOT done speaking to his children. It's so obvious you do not know him.
LDS4Life71 1 month ago
@MrRomanceLanguages
Is it interesting that Joseph name was going to be had for both good and bad; what a brilliant fulfilment of prophecy by Moroni. Interesting those who fulfil prohpecy are the ones who dont know.
dthswpr 5 months ago
Let the mormons think what they may because when they stand before God to be judged they won't be able to argue who's right and who's wrong...God will set them straight and 1 more thought...there will be "BILLIONS" of souls in "HELL" and maybe only a few millions that get saved and live with Christ.
JSeely218 11 months ago
War and Peace in Our Time: Mormon Perspectives"
Sponsored by the LDS Council on Mormon Studies and the Joan B. Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies at the University of Notre Dame
Claremont Graduate University - March 18 and 19, 2011
omiolo 1 year ago
This personal line of communication with our Heavenly Father through His Holy Spirit is the source of our testimony of truth, of our knowledge, and of our personal guidance from a loving Heavenly Father. It is an essential feature of His marvelous gospel plan, which allows each one of His children to receive a personal witness of its truth
omiolo 1 year ago
Music and the Spoken Word, the longest running nationwide radio broadcast in the United States, will be inducted into the National Radio Hall of Fame Saturday, 6 November 2010. The live broadcast will air on KSL Radio at 102.7 FM and 1160 AM between 8:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. MDT. It will also be streamed at ksl.com.
omiolo 1 year ago
After serving a Mormon mission in southern Africa, Jeff graduated from Brigham Young University, where he received a BA in International Relations and an MA
omiolo 1 year ago
Dieter Uchtdorf, second counselor in the LDS First Presidency, told Mormons he doesn't know what causes homosexuality but he knows that God expects everyone to meet the same standard ("LDS leader weighs in on same-sex attraction," Tribune, Oct. 26).
omiolo 1 year ago
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awolLDSasap 1 year ago
Communities such as Raymond, Cardston and Magrath, where there are sizable Mormon populations, all make the move. Raymond Mayor George Bohne says the town ...
omiolo 1 year ago
An LDS church was damaged in Pleasant Grove Friday after teens broke in and started multiple fires.
Pleasant Grove deputy fire chief Dave Thomas said three boys and one girl between 13 and 14 years old got into the church at 1300 W. 56 South by climbing in through a window between 4 and 5 p.m. He said the teens went through the church throwing items, overturning tables and vandalizing the building.
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo Angry mobs persecuting the church.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago 2
@awolLDSasap huh?
omiolo 1 year ago
Mormon vote a factor in Nev. Senate race between Reid and Angle
omiolo 1 year ago
His maternal great-great-grandfather, a Mormon convert named William Stirling, emigrated from Scotland in 1862, crossing the plains with a company of Mormon pioneers 650 strong. Upon arrival William was dispatched to southern Utah, where he and his wife Sarah Ann helped settle the town of Leeds, just north of St. George. .
omiolo 1 year ago
Raised as a Mormon, she discovered her Blackfoot ancestry as an adult. She's worked closely with aboriginal people for decades
omiolo 1 year ago
Life is full of quizzes and exams and individuals must learn, listen and walk to pass the different tests, Elder Walter F. Gonzalez of the Presidency of the Seventy said during the Brigham Young University-Idaho devotional Nov. 16.
omiolo 1 year ago
Life's quizzes: 'Learn, listen and walk'
Elder Gonzalez speaks to BYU-Idaho students
omiolo 1 year ago
I'm back from my little sojourn at Utah State University--the former agricultural college that is now a splendid city on a hill at the Cache Valley end of beautiful Logan Canyon. They reckon that of its 15,000 undergraduates, 85 percent are LDS. The Mormon equivalent of a Catholic Newman Club and a Jewish Hillel House is an Institute of Religion, and at USU the Institute, adjacent to the student center, counts between six and seven thousand regulars.
omiolo 1 year ago
They are two of about 60000 serving worldwide who go about placing Books of Mormon and Bibles. They ask people to read and pray
omiolo 1 year ago
Anybody notice Brigham Young's inclusion on the list? To explain how that Mormon university landed on the list, you have to understand that the survey didn't attempt to measure these two things:
How much reckless sex is taking place on campuses?
How many sexually transmitted disease cases are treated on individual campuses each year?
If those were the measure, Brigham Young surely wouldn't be trapped in the cellar.
omiolo 1 year ago
7. "Fathers of Faith," Gary Toyn and Michael Winder
A collection of experiences, photos and essays about LDS dads.
omiolo 1 year ago
6. "The Silence of God," Gale Sears
Based on a true story of the only LDS family in 1917 revolutionary Russia.
omiolo 1 year ago
When you think about the path they took, It only makes sense that the Book of Mormon would come forth in this way. People say, if this was the Word of God, it would have come forth 2000 years ago, but it was written in America, only making sense that it would come forth when established Christians occupied America.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
I found a lamanite arrowhead in southern Utah that had chisel marks on it. It was used in a great battle between the Nephites and lamanites. I also found a big rock that Mormon threw at Zelph for disobeying orders, and later used as a pillow that same night. What do yah mean there is no evidence for the BookofMoreman? There are dirt mounds, big rocks everywhere and "swords of steel" made from tree limbs and sharpened stones.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap too bad you haven't found the truth. BTW, the Book of Mormon talks about you Ether 12:26
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo The only reality to Ether is when a doctor uses it to knock you out. Josephs doctrines are used to scare people into submission. Jesus Christ had nothing to do with it.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap "doctor uses it to knock you out"
is that what Shawn McCraney told you that doctors use ether?
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo Websters told me about ether.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap told you US doctors still use it too huh? Oh, the depths you will go to fabricate stuff.
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo Oh, the mountains that are climbed to satisfy the mortal mind.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap there is where your dodge and deflect comes in!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo Have it your way. Ether never existed and they don't use ether anymore.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap "Ether never existed"
once AGAIN, making things up to try to seem superior or right. TYPICAL ANTImormon!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo Hypokritēs woulda luved your style.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap NOT as much as Newton!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo food for thought. fyi Did you know that espresso has less caffeine than coffee? Tea has even less and it's good for the body. Many drink caffeinated drinks and live beyond 100. Joseph lied, and you believed him.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago 2
@awolLDSasap "Tea has even less and it's good for the body"
Tea has also been shown to be bad for the body. How did Joseph Smith know that 150 years before science did?
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo When history doesn't agree with the church description, do you close your eyes to block the evidence? 150 years before science? Were all of the groups pushing abstinance along with other health issues ahead of their day like Joseph? Joseph caught a ride on every whim that passed by. Mormons have been spoon fed the same deception regarding a women to men ratio. Women never out numbered the men. The brethren were just greedy. Now! Don't read any history that will tarnish the testimony
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
Homosexuality is a consequence of the fallen nature of man. You cannot shock a young man into submission. Men in authority cannot fix this problem. Only God can fix it. The facts are, some are genetic, some are social environment. Anyone claiming they can fix these problems are foolish. A sin is a sin. Lying and pride are just as sinful as adultery or homosexuality. Seeking to quantify a sin will face condemnation from the eternal God.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
why does this person waste all her time here?
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 Typical, Change the argument, indicates you don't know what evidence is.
Where's the evidence ? DUH
kramd1 1 year ago
@kramd1 in Meso america. greater Yukatan peninsula
Popol Vuh: The Sacred Book of the Maya : The Great Classic of Central American Spirituality, Translated fromthe Original Maya Text
by Allen J. Christenson
The White God Quetzalcoatl
By Joseph Allen.... taken from his book "Exploring the Lands of the Book of Mormon"
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 This video is about "evidence" of the mythical journey of Lehi.
your reference is of Mayan culture.
what are the name places on the arabian peninsular mentioned as evidence ?
kramd1 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 change the argument b'cause you don't know the answer . there is no evidence as the title suggests, there is no evidence .
Lies, "evidence" is nothing short of a rational of deceit. and your swearing it's true.
says allot about your integrity, no wonder you wont answer the questions and prefer off topic attack . why are you here ?
kramd1 1 year ago
@kramd1 LOL next!
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 I take it you have no answers. what does "LOL next mean" ?
place names on the Arabian peninsular was the question.
kramd1 1 year ago
@kramd1 what for?
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@kramd1 I don't give answers to idiot rediculous people like you. You are just a troll, and a waste of time. NEXT!
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 Ok, now your being anti mormon.
kramd1 1 year ago
@kramd1 No! I gave you good reputable sources, and you didn't bother. NEXT
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
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@LDS4Life71 I take it you have no answers. what does "LOL next " mean ?
Place names on the Arabian peninsular was the question.
kramd1 1 year ago
"give the kids a run on the sand " WTF
kramd1 1 year ago
The entire video is evidence.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 If your suggesting there is evidence ( any ) in this video then I take your intelligence is juvenile or at best effected by a mormon psychosis.
I am coming to a realisation that mormon logic if fuzzy, confused, idiotic and severely dependant on this testimony swearing that you tout as evidence.
kramd1 1 year ago
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@LDS4Life71 If your suggesting there is evidence ( any ) in this video then I take your intelligence is juvenile or at best effected by a mormon psychosis.
I am coming to a realisation that mormon logic if fuzzy, confused, idiotic and severely dependant on this testimony swearing that you tout as evidence.
DUH
kramd1 1 year ago
Probablay kept records which Hagoth and his people later used to head backwards
Sephuskal 1 year ago
The scholars at FAIR are being realistic and at least taking all the facts and putting them into spectrum. The prophet Joseph Smith could not have known any of this.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 facts ! , what is your definition of evidence ?
there is not one shred of evidence in the vid. How can you even say " Joseph Smith could not have known this " Known what ? I'm not trying to be rude I just don't your logic. : )
kramd1 1 year ago
@kramd1 Evidence is the same definition as found in our dictionary, DUH!
You are in denial.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 DUH doesn't answer the question. Logic please.
where is the evidence ?
kramd1 1 year ago
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@kramd1 John 17:21
"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
HAHA!!
Tobsy1981 1 year ago
someone told me joesph smith was a negro god
oceancitynd 1 year ago
great story but, is it true? and that would be a big no.
dog3croom 1 year ago 2
I have spend all my life studing the book of mormon, and Im 100% convinced that it is true.
not because of faith alone...but because of the evidence, this things really happen.
but....everybody is free to came to his or hers own conclution.
argentumliberty 1 year ago
@argentumliberty What evidence/s justifies a 100% conclusion. ?
If not by faith ?
nearly 200 years has passed and there is still no identified geographical location of Zarahemla let alone artefacts ie: steel swords, armies, horses, elephants etc all claimed to have existed in the book of mormon tale.
Furthermore , DNA findings have prompted the LDS church to change the preface of the book of mormon substituting "Principle descendants" to: "are among" the native american indians.????????
kramd1 1 year ago
What a bunch of Bullshit these vidoes are!!!
zanezapapa 1 year ago 4
He later married in the temple and raised a family that includes two sons who've served missions. He translated General Conference speeches for 20 years, served as a temple ordinance worker in the Ogden temple and then served another Thai mission with his wife. (There were 200 members when Seangsuwan joined the church. There were 15,000 when he and his wife returned.)
omiolo 1 year ago
He served that mission well. Because he understood the culture, he could help educate other missionaries and save them from making simple mistakes that could greatly offend the Thai people. (In the early years, a missionary went to prison for sitting on a statue of Buddha as he posed for a picture.)
omiolo 1 year ago
@ bookmormon
" here they simply draw a map, name the places, give us a geography lesson, "The ocean journey BofM EVIDENCE" tittle should be " name the places on a map"
there is zero evidence here. No evidence , none.
kramd1 1 year ago
@kramd1 amen
dog3croom 1 year ago
well what is truth . . . atheists will tell you reading and praying about the bible is a joke. . . .
jacecrawford 2 years ago 2
we don't need to validate anything . . . . read and pray its true my friends :)
jacecrawford 2 years ago
@jacecrawford
Yes Warren Jeffs prayed about it to and so did 100 plus other leaders of Mormon Sects and their members.
ElderJoseph 2 years ago
I'm sorry, but how is this evidence for the historicity of the Book of Mormon? All it does is present an unsubstiated, entirely hypothetical route for Lehi's family.
Doliath 2 years ago
This video is very interesting. It's logical and makes sense. That is one thing I love about my religion: Mormonism is so logical! It is also logical to expect that there will be more evidence for the Book of Mormon as time goes on, and technology makes research more accurate.
Unfortunately, it is also logical to suppose that to some people it won't make any difference. They would refuse to believe if Moroni himself presented the golden plates to them.
arklyn 2 years ago 2
I'm afraid that I can't agree with you. Mormonism is just as full of internal inconsistency as any other religion--perhaps even more so than other religions, seeing as it's built upon the utterly nonsensical Judeo-Christian tradition.
Doliath 2 years ago
I make models of old sailing vessels for a hobby. This requires lots of research into
ship building. To build a sea-worthy vessel in 500BC by a group who wandered the
desert for years and not be duplicated by advanced civilization for another 2,000
years I find amazing. But I guess they found the right metal, fabric, lumber and tools
in that little piece of green in S. Arabia. That's as bad as Jared's gang crossing
the ocean in nine tubs in 394 days centuries earlier. (WOW)
JCPUTT 2 years ago 2
@JCPUTT You're forgetting, God taught Nephi how to build ships - therefore all questions are automatically answered!
amaxamon 2 years ago
@amaxamon I can go along with that somewhat, but I do struggle with
Jared's brother's barges and the logistics involved in a 344 day ocean
drift. I know God had to get those folks away from that damned tower.
But why couldn't God have provided a less time consuming and more
comfortable means of travel as he did for Nephi? ? ? Just curious!
JCPUTT 2 years ago
I'm simply telling you what a believer thinks. Why should Nephi's journey or the Jaredite's journey be any different than Noah's Ark or the Exodus? God is a free pass out of Logic Land. I'm not a Mormon. I just find the BOM & Mormonism interesting.
amaxamon 2 years ago
@amaxamon I too find God's dealings with ancient folks interesting. Confusing, but
interesting. Since there's so many different accounts. From the muriad of Oriental.
to the biggies of today that started in Asia-Minor. Now a little on the Joseph Smith
creation of the early 1900s: Read his mom's (Lucy Mack) biography on line then
honestly tell me if LDS didn't begin as a hustle job. I'm not knocking peoples
need to believe in atomless stuff. They're just afraid of being dead.
JCPUTT 2 years ago
I'm well versed in historical Mormonism, actually. I find several of the American religions fascinating: Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientology, Nation of Islam, UFO 'believers'. Perhaps I shd clarify further by saying that I am an atheist!
amaxamon 2 years ago
@amaxamon Isn't it great to be able to watch your fellow humans prepare
for paradise without being hooked yourself. I'm too much in awe of nature
to be a complete atheist and the word 'agnostic' sounds discusting, but
I'm quite comfortable living with a spiritual mystery.
JCPUTT 2 years ago
@amaxamon
For Joseph Smith to have written about inland land routes on the Arabian peninsula is not coincidental. There is no way Joseph Smith could have known about Nahom. There was no such location on any map available to the young prophet.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago
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breezwonder 2 years ago
The title of this video series is a misnomer. There has been no "evidence" presented, only opinions and speculation. How is this "evidence" of anything?
aldenshore 2 years ago 2
There are Many videos coming out still . There are other videos that show evidence. What evidence would make you a believer?
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
If we were to show you evidence all that has been amassed would you run out and get baptized?
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
No. All the evidence I have been able to gather since age 14 (irony?) and onward has contradicted what the church claims and helps to reinforce my atheism. There are five different versions of the first vision. The scrolls of abraham have been shown to not say a thing that Joseph Smith has claimed they would. There was no wheeled vehicles in the Americas before the Europeans came, contradictory to what it says in the book of mormon. These are just a few of the many.
IIKruZerII 2 years ago
My point exactly, not eating the spiritual nourishment, and this is what you get. a non believing atheist.
The spirit of the Lord bears witness to those that seek him out.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Why would the lord LIE to joseph smith when he had him write the Pearl of Great price? Or was Joseph that was lying? Why did Joseph give five different versions of the first vision?
IIKruZerII 2 years ago
Why don't you take your anti-mormon behind to FAIR and look it up. I'm not explaining anymore to your silly drivel! The anti mormon questions put forth here are redundant and have been proven. The article is on FAIRWIKIdotORG.
No sense continually cutting and pasting the answer OVER and OVER for each and every one of you that feels the need to ask the same old questions.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Kru, this is a typical response from those who are desperate to validate the fabricated BoM. Notice how he/she gets heated a few posts below.
God help us if these people took control and taught this as real history. It is shameful that these people feed these lies to others around the world.
Simple, there is no evidence for the BoM, although there is nothing wrong with believing it out of faith. Afterall, you dont need evidence to have faith.
Chichiri520 2 years ago
It's great that having faith still exists in the world today, however, There is ALLOT of evidence about the book of Mormon.
A better answer you "could" say is there isn't any evidence you will accept.
And we understand that too.
But in light of what that has surfaced in the last 20 years.
Hugh Nibley said, "Those that fight against the book of Mormon, after this, shall have some heavy explaining to do."
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
And what explaining would I have to do? I dont believe in Mormon theology so therefore how can something I dont even believe in affect me? It's nothing but mind and fear control.
Anyway, I really dont care in what nonsense it is that the BoM teaches. I am very happy to "fight" it and against the nonsense it teaches.
I bet if Joseph Smith said the Little Red Riding Hood was true and made a religion out of it, you people would be all over it.
Chichiri520 2 years ago
And thou seest that we know that thy plan was a very subtle plan as to the subtlety of the devil, for to lie and to deceive this people that thou mightest set them against us, to revile us and to cast us out.
Now this was a plan of Thine adversary, and he hath exercised his power in thee. Now I would that ye should remember that what I say unto thee.
cont.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago