Well its a divide and conquer thing just like the white man and rib did in Africa and elsewhere and actually to himself in Europa for 5500 years. But gang violence would not be destructive if it were directed against the white man and rib because that white race who will not submit to Allah even Jesus MUST REAP THE DESTRUCTION THAT THEY HAVE SOWN FOR 6000 YEARS ALL OVER THE WORLD. It is not destructive but instead constructive when the sowers of destruction reap that destruction amen.
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@QRF11B I agree that we will agree to disagree. However, for the sake of clarity, my definition of "minimal violence" is based on quantity of violent acts (number of separate acts) not the severity of the act or the severity of the violence. The reason for follow up notes & referencing the GPI was for clarity; so we don't misunderstand each other which can occur when discussing any issue in such a limited space.(See Panel #2)
(Panel #2): Like the fact that I made the point initially that the NOI's history is "minimally violent" & you disagreed or refuted my point, but only made a statement voicing your disagreement by referencing Malcolm & then showed no documentation/reference to back up this refutation or to document that my INITIAL statement is wrong. Re Malcolm's statement that you quoted (Boston killings); I don't disagree with his statement; therefore, I don't have to prove anything.(See Panel #3)
(Panel #3): Two, three or five separate acts of violence is still not in the category of "a violent" organization or nation. However, we will agree to disagree.
@QRF11B You are right, my bad, here-say was a typo. Sorry about that. However, I made the statement that there is minimal violence and do not need to prove my own point - the individual that refutes a point is the one that must show proof to show that the statement is wrong. Thanks for your effort anyway.
@QRF11B I am trying to show you how one judge a history of violence in a nation or an organization. Also, if one can only state acts of violence but have no documented reference then it becomes ALLEGED ACTS or just OPINION. To be categorized as violent for a nation or an organization, documented proof (not here-say by Malcolm or anyone) with researchable references would be needed & more than a few violent acts with references is needed to be in a category of being "violent".
@QRF11B You are right, we disagree on what is minimal, because if all you can list in the 80+ years history of the NOI is ONE alleged violent act, then that is what is defined as a minimal history of violence. Minimal means the low occurrence of a thing over a distinct period of time. The Global Peace Index is a measure of a nation’s violence record, whether minimal or really violent.(See Panel #2)
(Panel #2): Nations that are minimally violent have a low Global Peace Index of 1-5 like Iceland, New Zealand, Japan & Denmark while nations that have a high incidence of violence have a high Global Peace Index of 147-153 like the Sudan, Iraq, Somalia & Afghanistan. The NOI is in the low category.
@QRF11B That's definitely your opinion since, as you know, Malcolm X can't have an opinion. Even if you want to attribute his death to the NOI (which is debatable), for an 80+ year history, if that is all you can try to attribute to the NOI, then that is defined as minimal.
gangbangers are betrayers of their own people, they are a minor sign of the judgement day, when a man would kill a man whithout knowing why or who he is, may the allmighty god have mercy on us all
Farrakhan is a racist pig worthy of the death penalty. Any body who thinks they're muslims & follow this sick excuse of a human are also deserving of an uneducated idiot label. Shame on you sick & misguided ppl who think Farrakahn is a honarable man. I can't wait till they blow his brains out, it'll be a great day for humanity. Fuck all nation of islam members. You are sick & misguided & Farrkhan is nothing but a manipulator manipulating a pack of idiots. Eat shit die shit
The NOI teaches Islam and the followers are Muslims. Islam means submission & peace and the NOI has minimal to no record of violence in it's history. Muslim means to submit to the will of God and the NOI members submit; all members take the Shahada; The NOI religious book is the Qu'ran; they adhere to the 5 principles of Islam (Belief in one God/Allah, Salat, fasting, zakat and Hajj to mecca). To confirm attend Jummah, Mosque Mariam. The NOI is still the NOI and under Farrakhan's guidance.
@DRXCIX Thanks. If you actually have someone specific in mind to whom you speak, of course it is best to reply to that individual, unless you were just saying but thanks for sharing
@mediapadTV Thanks for the suggestion; will respect your wishes (my intent was to share this and educate those who feel the NOI is not true Islam - those that lack understanding).
@DRXCIX what matters more than what we feel - is what the truth is. If Muhammad PBUH said 3 generations after him will not be of him, why is orthodox Islam so sure after such an amount of time that NOI cant possibly be right? When you take in to account the needs of a people at a time when they receive revelation, you must first know the people and what they will need to find (that they have lost) before you judge the methodology.
@FATAL12SKILLZ Correction: The Qur'an states clearly that Muhammad is the seal of the PROPHETS, not Messengers - "Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things" (Qur'an 33:40 by Yusef Ali)". The Arabic word for Prophet is Rasoul and the Arabic word for Messenger is Nabi. This is clear and exacting, He is the seal of Prophets [All Prophets are Messengers but not all Messengers are Prophets].
The arabic word for Prophet is Nabi, and for Messenger is it Rasoul. The fact is that Allah would've told us about the big event of Elijah Muhammad. Your claim is the same thing i've heard from the Ahmadiyya. Elijah Muhammad has distorted the law of Allah. As well, Every Messenger Is a Prophet, When you are a messenger you are also a Prophet. Even though every prophet may not be a messenger So if he is the LAST PROPHET than he is also the last messenger.
@FATAL12SKILLZ You are right; the Arabic word for Prophet is Nabi (I do not claim to be proficient in Arabic). In haste, this was a typo error - thanks for the correction. However, you have this a little backwards, every Prophet is a messenger, but not every Messenger is a Prophet. Muhammad Ibn Abdullah is a Prophet & Messenger. Moses is a Prophet & Messenger while Aaron is a Messenger. (See Panel #2)
(Panel #2): Daniel, Jeremiah, Isaiah are considered Messengers but are not mentioned in the Qur'an. A Prophet receives a new revelation while a Messenger, as per Qur'an 3:81, confirms existing scripture. Elijah Muhammad does not claim to be a Prophet. The words of the Quran are exact and say Muhammad is the Last Nabi, not Nabi and Rasoul or the last Rasoul.
@DRXCIX Daniel has been mentioned by the Companions, we can believe in those Prophets because of the traditions and prophecies that they have said about the Muslim nations and PRophet Muhammad peace be upon him. We aren't talking about the ones before the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him were talking about after.
@DRXCIX Why is there no clear cut prophecies about Elijah Muhammad? The only one that i know of is that the Prophet Muhammad said there will be 30 liars among his nation. Elijah Muhammad is definitely among those liars.
@FATAL12SKILLZ Who made you a judge? There are no clear cut prophesies about Alexander the great, Cyrus the great of Persia, Socrates, Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, Confucius & those mentioned in my other recent panel, but many consider them to be messengers - look this up. What authority do you have to be a judge? The NOI and The Honorable Elijah Muhammad has given the world & Blacks such greats as Malcolm X, Muhammad Ali, Warith deen Muhammad, Louis Farrakhan & others. (See Panel #2)
@FATAL12SKILLZ I agree with this statement, however, the point I was making was that Lies die eventually. If the teachings of the NOI are a lie it will suffer the same fate. Time will tell, and if it is not Islam, it will be over taken by Islam as stated in the Qur'an: “It is He who has sent his messenger with guidance and the religion of truth and will make it dominate over all religions, in spite of the idol worshipers” (61:9). However, if it is Islam, it will not die (God is the judge).
@DRXCIX Those people of the PAST are not who we are dealing with, but no scholar say plain and clear that they were messengers. There is no Authority from Allah or his messenger. They may have been scholars that preached about the ONENESS of Allah not that hes a man like the NOI (i don't know about present NOI) Gengis Khan also created greats. The irony is all of those people you names (accept LF) have abandoned the thinking of Elijah Muhammad.
@FATAL12SKILLZ The point I am making here is that if Messengers were sent to all nations then we should be able to name those that were sent to China, Mongolia, Japan, Greece, South America, Canada, Hawaii, Australia, Russia, Alaska, or North America. Scholars have called some of those I listed as Messengers, even if they are questionable to you. Scholars have also called Isaiah, Jeremiah, & Daniel Messengers. What do you call these three? Name the Messenger sent to the USA. (See Panel #2)
(Panel #2):The NOI does not teach that Allah, the creator, is a man, read point #12 carefully, it ends with this statement: "We Believe further & lastly that Allah is God & besides HIM there is no God & He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we can all live in peace together." The only person that abandoned the "thinking" of T.H.E.M. is W. D. Muhammad. Malcolm said in his speech The Ballot or the Bullet, "I'm still a Muslim, i.e., my religion is still Islam,"(See Panel #3)
(Panel #3): "I still credit Mr. Muhammad for what I know & what I am, he is the one that open my eyes." He didn't say I am now a Sunni or orthodox Muslim. If his so-called change was to distance himself from the NOI & it's philosophy, then he would have dropped his X & become Malcolm Little, not Malcolm Shabazz (a NOI name). It is also worth noting that he wrote a letter to T.H.E.M. requesting to return to the fold (a little known fact). Muhammad Ali still attends the NOI Mosque.
@FATAL12SKILLZ His book was written and had a period at the end but his life continued and the NOI has this on record, so let us leave this. There were 3 chapters left out of his book that may yet be published. An Autobiography is just a snapshot of a person’s life. You don’t know Malcolm like the NOI, so leave this subject alone.
@DRXCIX You completely forget, that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has been sent to ALL of mankind. Thats why we have the noble worshiping acts of Jihad, to spread the government of Islam, and Dawah, to call people towards Islam (not by force). I am not denying that they can't be messengers, I am saying i do not know if they are messengers. Now i have made clear that Isaiah Jermiah and Daniel peace be upon them were most likely Prophets/Messengers, Daniel we know to be 100% because...
@FATAL12SKILLZ I missed making this point - If you can say that "you do not know if they are Messengers" for those I listed then don't be to quick to judge T.H.E.M. (you may not know if he is either).
@DRXCIX There is a difference between past messengers, For one those people we have no written work for them claiming to be messengers, but we do know Elijah Muhammad did make this clear that he believes hes the Messenger of Allah. As well he was after the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Where is the Prophecy concerning him? where is the glad tidings? Do you know Mirza Ghulam Ahmad? He claimed to be a messenger to and his following is large.Is he the truth too?
@FATAL12SKILLZ I made my comment on Mirza Ghulam Ahead - the NOI is in no way comparable to him. The claims he makes seem rather foolish (he is above Qur'an or better than Prophet Muhammad).
@DRXCIX The prophecies they gave some of them were for Islam. Daniel we know to be because at the time of Umar ibn Al Khattab may Allah be pleased with him they found his grave and it got destroyed. And his body was uncovered. They saw his body was totally intact. The Prophets bodies do not decompose like that of Humans. Of course they secretly buried him. Speaking of Umar the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said "IF there would be a Prophet After me it would be Umar!" now you haven't...
@FATAL12SKILLZ The NOI accepts the Hadith like all Muslims. The claim that Prophet Muhammad was sent to all mankind is a good claim but it still leaves unanswered the fact that there are many Messengers and Prophets not mentioned in the Qur'an that appeared in many nations that many scholars won't be able to confirm or deny - this is left to God to judge.
@FATAL12SKILLZ I'm not fully familiar with Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, but here are some differences that I understand the NOI don't teach or believe: the door of prophethood is open, that T.H.E.M. is prophet Muhammad or superior to Prophet Muhammad, teaching of hatred towards Jesus, the word of T.H.E.M. is equal to the Qur'an, that Islam is incomplete without T.H.E.M., that the NOI is a separate religion, that all non-believers in the NOI are non-believers in Islam, etc.(Many significant differences)
@FATAL12SKILLZ That is your interpretation. When there is a difference in exegesis, then we should not condemn, but agree to disagree if the difference can't be settled amicably. (Prophet Muhammad did not prophesy many things)
@DRXCIX This is something concerning Islam, strictly Islam. This is a messenger it is the way of Allah to tells us about Messengers but you don't see that with any of the false prophets/messenger. Once again we are talking about AFTER the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him not BEFORE. The premises of your argument is fraudulent and you do not provide any clear answer. The Mahdi was prophesied from the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him because he is a figure to expect to come.
@FATAL12SKILLZ I repeated this enough, there are many Messengers that are not listed in Qur'an or Hadith, so stop making this statement - I listed a few above (Samuel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, etc., etc.)
@DRXCIX Nor was he spoken about in any way so we can identify him plus Orthodox Muslims (and even other sects of ISlam) affirm that the teachings of Elijah Muhammad are different from the teachings of ISlam, they didnt bring new scripture. Now if the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him is the last Prophet there is no more revelation, meaning you can't change this book or the teachings of it.
@FATAL12SKILLZ Again, this a difference in exegesis; let scholarly debate decide this or leave it to God. T.H.E.M. is not changing the book; that is your misunderstanding of the teaching of the NOI.
Abû Dharr asked Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) about the number of prophets. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “They were one hundred and twenty four thousand prophets, out of whom were three hundred and fifteen messengers.” [Musnad Ahmad
Now if every Prophet is a messenger but every messenger is not a prophet than it should've been the other way around! And it should've been 124 000 messengers and out of them 315 should've been Prophets!
@FATAL12SKILLZ If you interpret this Hadith the way you want to, then there would be no pure Messengers, everyone would be either a Prophet or a Prophet & Messenger. I'm sure you know that this would be absurd. There are Messengers that are not Prophets or Prophet/Messengers. Aaron & other Messengers like him are Messengers, not Prophets or Prophet & Messengers. So, as I said before, we have a difference in exegesis.
The hadith is clear, to say there is a difference in exegesis. There are PROPHETS who are not messengers but i wouldn't say messengers who are not Prophet. You can't bring me a single prophecy. The Blind are not equal to the seeing.
@FATAL12SKILLZ The reason that there are scholars and that there are many different sects in Islam is because there are difference in exegesis. If you say that there are no Messengers that are not Prophets then you have moved to the ridiculous.
@DRXCIX Now to say "who made you a judge" is a poor reply because i can say the same to you. Now i can say where is your authority? Show me the Authority sent by Allah to confirm Elijah Muhammad as his messenger. You have none, and you'll never have one.
@FATAL12SKILLZ I am not judging you or anything you have said. I was stating that be careful to judge; you may not have the authority to judge matters that should be left to God. According to Qur'an, leave judging to Allah: Yusuf Ali Qur'an 22:17 - "Those who believe, those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), & the Sabians, Christians, Magians, & Polytheists, - God will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for God is witness of all things." (See Panel #2)
(Panel #2): If there are Messengers & Prophets not mentioned in the Qur'an by name, why do you persist in this. Is it vanity, ego or ignorance? Name the specific Prophet & Messenger that was sent specifically to the Nations of Russia, Mongolia, the Myans & the Aztecs. This is not for you to Judge - is this clear?
@DRXCIX Onces again you are talking about past messengers and Prophets. You are talking about that which has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I am talking about Prophets and Messengers after Islam. Like how the bible has prophecies about the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Elijah is not in Islamic prophecies. But we do have prophecy of one man, his name is Muhammad Ibn Abdullah and he will be the mahdi. He will come and establish an Islamic caliphate and than after him Jesus will come.
@FATAL12SKILLZ Islam is as old as the Universe and has no limitation. So there are no criteria that should limit Prophets and Messengers to after Islam - there is no before or after Islam. Islam was, is and will be. Islam existed before 4000 years ago, before Abraham and Moses, so stop saying before Islam (this is a contradictory statement). (See Panel #2)
(Panel #2): There are many Messengers & Prophets that are not in the Qur'an (like Daniel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Samuel, Ezekiel, Zechariah, Shem, etc.). Your refusal to see clarity in this simple logic is ludicrous. There is no disagreement on the Mahdi and the Messiah with the NOI - this is clear. Your thought process appears to be like those who keep Islam in the dark - you strain at a gnat but swallow an elephant.
@DRXCIX You actually do not understand what i am saying. I am not denying that they are messengers and scholars such as Ibn Kathir has stated that they are messengers. One quick note, Zachariah is in the Quran, Samuel is mentioned without name, and Daniel is mentioned by the Companions. We are not talking about people that have all ready passed away before the Prophet Muhammad. We are talking about claims about AFTER the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. I am not saying you don't believe...
@DRXCIX In the Mahdi or the Messiah, i am stating that there coming is detailed. We know how to identify there coming, where they are going to come, what they will look like, in what situation is the world at the time, his name and so and so forth. You do not have that for Elijah Muhammad.
@FATAL12SKILLZ With all these words, you have not shown that he cannot be who he says he is. Messengers do not have to answer to the world, the world has to listen & heed their message, thats all.
Just another minor question: The Incas existed since Prophet Muhammad, who was their Messenger since a Messenger is suppose to have been sent to all nations? (knowing you don't have an answer, you will probably say Prophet Muhammad - However, they never heard of him, his message or Islam; I'm familiar with their history).
@DRXCIX Its not me who has to show, it is you who has to show. Someone who says he is a Messenger does not make him a messenger. You need proof, you need a criterion, you need a standard that comes from Allah. You need news about a coming of another messenger. My Dear Friend take this in and do not just reject it off the bat.
@FATAL12SKILLZ No Messenger or Prophet in his time had to prove or show proof of himself or mission. They submitted to God, obeyed his command and delivered what whatever message, scripture or deed he asked. For example, Jonah was asked to deliver a message to the people of Nineva, he did & they obeyed without question and their city was saved (no proof was required). This was the same for Lot (no proof given), however, the people of Sodom disobeyed & we know the result.
Continued: You are like Thomas, the doubting decipleof Jesus, he demanded proof from Prophet Jesus. Also, like the doubting Jews that confronted Jesus seeking proof from him. Jesus did not have to prove anything, he came with a word and you either accepted or not. In Abraham's time, he did not have to show proof either.
@DRXCIX Not buying this, You actually do not know if they were prophesied or not, we know that Jesus peace be upon him, David peace be upon him and a few other ones were prophesied about. The Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was prophesied in previous scripture. The Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, he gave us a lot of minor and major signs that the day of judgement is close. He prophesied the coming of a few figures that would come after him. If Elijah Muhammad was a MESSENGER than...
@FATAL12SKILLZ I wasn't trying to prove anything, I was attempting to show you the folly of being so judgmental. God is the judge, not you. However, personally, I don't believe in hellfire (my personal opinion) - this seems to me like bullshit scare tactics (I fear God, not hellfire).
@DRXCIX Judgemental? To ask for proof? You have disbelieved in Allah and his Messenger after you said Elijah is the messenger of Allah than saying hellfire is fake. Allah says fear the fire! How dare you use the Quran and than disbelieve in it! May Allah save us from the likes of you people.
@FATAL12SKILLZ No, not judgmental in asking for proof, but judgmental in judging someone publicly that seems inappropriate. I didn't say hellfire is fake; I said I personally I don't believe in it, I fear God only (not hellfire). You are quick to condemn and quick to judge. As I said before, you error is vanity - your feelings of being so right that everyone that does not go along with what you think is right is judged erring.
@DRXCIX Its not about me being right, its about The Quran and the Messenger being right. Face it, if you claim to be a messenger of Islam you need to bring your proofs that this messenger was brought from Allah. There is no authority brought by you. How can you say that you don't believe in hell fire and say its fake? Maybe you mean you are not afraid of hell fire. To fear God you ultimately have to have fear in his punishment and displeasure.
@FATAL12SKILLZ You keep missing the whole point; you have the right to disagree and I accept that. I disagree with you and the judge of who is right is not yours; that belongs to God. Your arrogance is your problem. I've explained myself thoroughly and your vanity won't let you see this. As I said before, I personally don't believe in hellfire (I did not say it is a fake), I fear only God.
@DRXCIX You knew exactly what i meant. Allah has given us a criterion for everything and that is the Quran. He Calls the Quran Al Furqan, which means the criterion. So your statement is flawed. Face it, you can't answer the question. Why not turn to Al Islam in its purity? Just believe in the Messenger of Allah.
@FATAL12SKILLZ Your error is Vanity, it is now clear that you feel so right that your vanity clouds your heart. You need to reflect on what it means to be a Muslim.
Hi people Im not jewish Im black and Im spiritualy proud of it, one of the things that helps me the most are the images on the egipcians walls showing the Nubians making business with the rest of the world, that had tought me a lot, there was a time when we were business men, and we were doing business with the rest of the world. Amen.
shieldsff please dont come with that. He represents the man you are talking about. And he ain't white. What Preacher you know stands against the most powerful government in the world? Show me in the Bible where Jesus said he was a Christian..take your time Ill wait!! Would Jesus tell the Government they are wrong? YES!!! Jesus dont want us waiting on him, its our duty to be fisher of men!!
This was a good speech, but why don't you trust now the Lord Jesus CHRIST to save and redeem you from your many sins and offenses against God and man ? Did you know that Jesus states he is the only Way, the Truth & the Light (of the Word). He is NOT a [mere] pubuh...HE is the CREATOR of the earth, all Space and Heavens, Jesus is the one who shows "Allah" because He is, in fact, the only true One God revealed to you and me so that we can have truth and Everlasting life. Believe me I pray friend !
"Father, why hat thou forsaken me". With due respect to Jesus, that does not sound like the words of the Almighty though your intelligence may convince you otherwise. Peace
@JOHNIM826 -- Yes.... in fact, it does ! And the main reason for that is because Christians are people of the book. Even in the Quran, we are told to read and study the book (the Bible) for truth, wisdom and knowledge. The difference between us, is that I read the ENTIRE truth of the book in context.... You choose to read SELECTIVE passages based on UR limited, pre-conceived, unbelieving, narrow religious perspective. Try reading the entire Gospels & books w/o bias- hope that helps !!!
@mediapadTV -of course I do.... YOUR assumption that I do not have the proper facts is an example of your use of intuition and a[n] example of YOUR arrogance. I think I got it. Thanks
interesting term. the education was in effort to re-shift the thought patterns back from the effects of the trans atlantic slave trade and out of the fear of white supremacy. I have never known them to be violent, certainly not compared to the effects of current world rulers..
well that would depend upon the path being walked. the most efficient route from a clear point to another is in a straight line. if you have a question that warrants a response, be straight about it.
Well its a divide and conquer thing just like the white man and rib did in Africa and elsewhere and actually to himself in Europa for 5500 years. But gang violence would not be destructive if it were directed against the white man and rib because that white race who will not submit to Allah even Jesus MUST REAP THE DESTRUCTION THAT THEY HAVE SOWN FOR 6000 YEARS ALL OVER THE WORLD. It is not destructive but instead constructive when the sowers of destruction reap that destruction amen.
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MiddleEast ALWAYS at war! Mohammad violent SINFUL cult Murderer!Jesus/Healed/Blessed/Peace/Salvation/GOD! All MUSLIMS who converted to Christianity ARE HAPPY & FREE OF ABUSE & MISERY! Islam leaders are killing you! Christians LOVE YOU! PLEASE accept JESUS CHRIST as your SAVIOR! John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! REBEL & ACCEPT JESUS! Be FREE of ISLAM LIES! Visit wlix radio.com
tigersforchrist 5 months ago
@QRF11B I agree that we will agree to disagree. However, for the sake of clarity, my definition of "minimal violence" is based on quantity of violent acts (number of separate acts) not the severity of the act or the severity of the violence. The reason for follow up notes & referencing the GPI was for clarity; so we don't misunderstand each other which can occur when discussing any issue in such a limited space.(See Panel #2)
DRXCIX 6 months ago
(Panel #2): Like the fact that I made the point initially that the NOI's history is "minimally violent" & you disagreed or refuted my point, but only made a statement voicing your disagreement by referencing Malcolm & then showed no documentation/reference to back up this refutation or to document that my INITIAL statement is wrong. Re Malcolm's statement that you quoted (Boston killings); I don't disagree with his statement; therefore, I don't have to prove anything.(See Panel #3)
DRXCIX 6 months ago
(Panel #3): Two, three or five separate acts of violence is still not in the category of "a violent" organization or nation. However, we will agree to disagree.
DRXCIX 6 months ago
@QRF11B You are right, my bad, here-say was a typo. Sorry about that. However, I made the statement that there is minimal violence and do not need to prove my own point - the individual that refutes a point is the one that must show proof to show that the statement is wrong. Thanks for your effort anyway.
DRXCIX 6 months ago
@QRF11B I am trying to show you how one judge a history of violence in a nation or an organization. Also, if one can only state acts of violence but have no documented reference then it becomes ALLEGED ACTS or just OPINION. To be categorized as violent for a nation or an organization, documented proof (not here-say by Malcolm or anyone) with researchable references would be needed & more than a few violent acts with references is needed to be in a category of being "violent".
DRXCIX 6 months ago
@QRF11B You are right, we disagree on what is minimal, because if all you can list in the 80+ years history of the NOI is ONE alleged violent act, then that is what is defined as a minimal history of violence. Minimal means the low occurrence of a thing over a distinct period of time. The Global Peace Index is a measure of a nation’s violence record, whether minimal or really violent.(See Panel #2)
DRXCIX 6 months ago
(Panel #2): Nations that are minimally violent have a low Global Peace Index of 1-5 like Iceland, New Zealand, Japan & Denmark while nations that have a high incidence of violence have a high Global Peace Index of 147-153 like the Sudan, Iraq, Somalia & Afghanistan. The NOI is in the low category.
DRXCIX 6 months ago
@QRF11B That's definitely your opinion since, as you know, Malcolm X can't have an opinion. Even if you want to attribute his death to the NOI (which is debatable), for an 80+ year history, if that is all you can try to attribute to the NOI, then that is defined as minimal.
DRXCIX 6 months ago
Lous Farrakhan is 100% right
curtisjones400 6 months ago
gangbangers are betrayers of their own people, they are a minor sign of the judgement day, when a man would kill a man whithout knowing why or who he is, may the allmighty god have mercy on us all
Wtown06tt 8 months ago
its fun listening to someone talk about gang psychology when they themselves are part of a gang.
the only muslim in the NOI was malcom and we all know what NOI they done to him
KPDRMN 10 months ago
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And these same so called gang members will be the same ones fighting for the most high he know what he`s doing!
chasinjason10 10 months ago
And these same so called gang members will be the same ones to fighting for the most high he know what hes doing!
chasinjason10 10 months ago
Farrakhan is a racist pig worthy of the death penalty. Any body who thinks they're muslims & follow this sick excuse of a human are also deserving of an uneducated idiot label. Shame on you sick & misguided ppl who think Farrakahn is a honarable man. I can't wait till they blow his brains out, it'll be a great day for humanity. Fuck all nation of islam members. You are sick & misguided & Farrkhan is nothing but a manipulator manipulating a pack of idiots. Eat shit die shit
hombrelubinero 10 months ago
OMG !............ TIS IS THE TRUTH
PEB979 1 year ago
This is the fact that most black people refused to accept.
77musica 1 year ago
The NOI teaches Islam and the followers are Muslims. Islam means submission & peace and the NOI has minimal to no record of violence in it's history. Muslim means to submit to the will of God and the NOI members submit; all members take the Shahada; The NOI religious book is the Qu'ran; they adhere to the 5 principles of Islam (Belief in one God/Allah, Salat, fasting, zakat and Hajj to mecca). To confirm attend Jummah, Mosque Mariam. The NOI is still the NOI and under Farrakhan's guidance.
DRXCIX 1 year ago
@DRXCIX Thanks. If you actually have someone specific in mind to whom you speak, of course it is best to reply to that individual, unless you were just saying but thanks for sharing
mediapadTV 1 year ago
@mediapadTV Thanks for the suggestion; will respect your wishes (my intent was to share this and educate those who feel the NOI is not true Islam - those that lack understanding).
DRXCIX 1 year ago
@DRXCIX what matters more than what we feel - is what the truth is. If Muhammad PBUH said 3 generations after him will not be of him, why is orthodox Islam so sure after such an amount of time that NOI cant possibly be right? When you take in to account the needs of a people at a time when they receive revelation, you must first know the people and what they will need to find (that they have lost) before you judge the methodology.
mediapadTV 1 year ago
@mediapadTV In full agrement
DRXCIX 1 year ago
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DRXCIX 1 year ago
@mediapadTV we are in full agreement
DRXCIX 1 year ago
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DRXCIX 1 year ago
@DRXCIX The Final Messenger is Muhammad The son of Abdullah.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ Correction: The Qur'an states clearly that Muhammad is the seal of the PROPHETS, not Messengers - "Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things" (Qur'an 33:40 by Yusef Ali)". The Arabic word for Prophet is Rasoul and the Arabic word for Messenger is Nabi. This is clear and exacting, He is the seal of Prophets [All Prophets are Messengers but not all Messengers are Prophets].
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX Shows how much arabic you know
The arabic word for Prophet is Nabi, and for Messenger is it Rasoul. The fact is that Allah would've told us about the big event of Elijah Muhammad. Your claim is the same thing i've heard from the Ahmadiyya. Elijah Muhammad has distorted the law of Allah. As well, Every Messenger Is a Prophet, When you are a messenger you are also a Prophet. Even though every prophet may not be a messenger So if he is the LAST PROPHET than he is also the last messenger.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ You are right; the Arabic word for Prophet is Nabi (I do not claim to be proficient in Arabic). In haste, this was a typo error - thanks for the correction. However, you have this a little backwards, every Prophet is a messenger, but not every Messenger is a Prophet. Muhammad Ibn Abdullah is a Prophet & Messenger. Moses is a Prophet & Messenger while Aaron is a Messenger. (See Panel #2)
DRXCIX 9 months ago
(Panel #2): Daniel, Jeremiah, Isaiah are considered Messengers but are not mentioned in the Qur'an. A Prophet receives a new revelation while a Messenger, as per Qur'an 3:81, confirms existing scripture. Elijah Muhammad does not claim to be a Prophet. The words of the Quran are exact and say Muhammad is the Last Nabi, not Nabi and Rasoul or the last Rasoul.
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX Daniel has been mentioned by the Companions, we can believe in those Prophets because of the traditions and prophecies that they have said about the Muslim nations and PRophet Muhammad peace be upon him. We aren't talking about the ones before the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him were talking about after.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@DRXCIX Actually you got it wrong. I'm stating what Muslims have been stating for 1400 years.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@DRXCIX Why is there no clear cut prophecies about Elijah Muhammad? The only one that i know of is that the Prophet Muhammad said there will be 30 liars among his nation. Elijah Muhammad is definitely among those liars.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ Who made you a judge? There are no clear cut prophesies about Alexander the great, Cyrus the great of Persia, Socrates, Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, Confucius & those mentioned in my other recent panel, but many consider them to be messengers - look this up. What authority do you have to be a judge? The NOI and The Honorable Elijah Muhammad has given the world & Blacks such greats as Malcolm X, Muhammad Ali, Warith deen Muhammad, Louis Farrakhan & others. (See Panel #2)
DRXCIX 9 months ago
(Panel #2): If Elijah is a liar, his teaching will die like all other liars, but since the 1930s the NOI seems to be steadily growing.
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX Thats not necessarily true, paul was a liar but his form of Christianity is the majority.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ I agree with this statement, however, the point I was making was that Lies die eventually. If the teachings of the NOI are a lie it will suffer the same fate. Time will tell, and if it is not Islam, it will be over taken by Islam as stated in the Qur'an: “It is He who has sent his messenger with guidance and the religion of truth and will make it dominate over all religions, in spite of the idol worshipers” (61:9). However, if it is Islam, it will not die (God is the judge).
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX Those people of the PAST are not who we are dealing with, but no scholar say plain and clear that they were messengers. There is no Authority from Allah or his messenger. They may have been scholars that preached about the ONENESS of Allah not that hes a man like the NOI (i don't know about present NOI) Gengis Khan also created greats. The irony is all of those people you names (accept LF) have abandoned the thinking of Elijah Muhammad.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ The point I am making here is that if Messengers were sent to all nations then we should be able to name those that were sent to China, Mongolia, Japan, Greece, South America, Canada, Hawaii, Australia, Russia, Alaska, or North America. Scholars have called some of those I listed as Messengers, even if they are questionable to you. Scholars have also called Isaiah, Jeremiah, & Daniel Messengers. What do you call these three? Name the Messenger sent to the USA. (See Panel #2)
DRXCIX 9 months ago
(Panel #2):The NOI does not teach that Allah, the creator, is a man, read point #12 carefully, it ends with this statement: "We Believe further & lastly that Allah is God & besides HIM there is no God & He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we can all live in peace together." The only person that abandoned the "thinking" of T.H.E.M. is W. D. Muhammad. Malcolm said in his speech The Ballot or the Bullet, "I'm still a Muslim, i.e., my religion is still Islam,"(See Panel #3)
DRXCIX 9 months ago
(Panel #3): "I still credit Mr. Muhammad for what I know & what I am, he is the one that open my eyes." He didn't say I am now a Sunni or orthodox Muslim. If his so-called change was to distance himself from the NOI & it's philosophy, then he would have dropped his X & become Malcolm Little, not Malcolm Shabazz (a NOI name). It is also worth noting that he wrote a letter to T.H.E.M. requesting to return to the fold (a little known fact). Muhammad Ali still attends the NOI Mosque.
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX He is still a Muslim, but he rejected Elijah Muhammad. This is known through his book.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ His book was written and had a period at the end but his life continued and the NOI has this on record, so let us leave this. There were 3 chapters left out of his book that may yet be published. An Autobiography is just a snapshot of a person’s life. You don’t know Malcolm like the NOI, so leave this subject alone.
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX You completely forget, that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has been sent to ALL of mankind. Thats why we have the noble worshiping acts of Jihad, to spread the government of Islam, and Dawah, to call people towards Islam (not by force). I am not denying that they can't be messengers, I am saying i do not know if they are messengers. Now i have made clear that Isaiah Jermiah and Daniel peace be upon them were most likely Prophets/Messengers, Daniel we know to be 100% because...
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ I missed making this point - If you can say that "you do not know if they are Messengers" for those I listed then don't be to quick to judge T.H.E.M. (you may not know if he is either).
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX There is a difference between past messengers, For one those people we have no written work for them claiming to be messengers, but we do know Elijah Muhammad did make this clear that he believes hes the Messenger of Allah. As well he was after the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Where is the Prophecy concerning him? where is the glad tidings? Do you know Mirza Ghulam Ahmad? He claimed to be a messenger to and his following is large.Is he the truth too?
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ I made my comment on Mirza Ghulam Ahead - the NOI is in no way comparable to him. The claims he makes seem rather foolish (he is above Qur'an or better than Prophet Muhammad).
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX So do the claims of Elijah Muhammad.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@DRXCIX The prophecies they gave some of them were for Islam. Daniel we know to be because at the time of Umar ibn Al Khattab may Allah be pleased with him they found his grave and it got destroyed. And his body was uncovered. They saw his body was totally intact. The Prophets bodies do not decompose like that of Humans. Of course they secretly buried him. Speaking of Umar the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said "IF there would be a Prophet After me it would be Umar!" now you haven't...
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@DRXCIX given me an answer to the proofs i've used. Do you believe in the Hadith? The authentic narrations of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him?
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ The NOI accepts the Hadith like all Muslims. The claim that Prophet Muhammad was sent to all mankind is a good claim but it still leaves unanswered the fact that there are many Messengers and Prophets not mentioned in the Qur'an that appeared in many nations that many scholars won't be able to confirm or deny - this is left to God to judge.
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX What makes you different from the ones who called Mirza Ghulam Ahmad a Messenger of Allah?
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ I'm not fully familiar with Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, but here are some differences that I understand the NOI don't teach or believe: the door of prophethood is open, that T.H.E.M. is prophet Muhammad or superior to Prophet Muhammad, teaching of hatred towards Jesus, the word of T.H.E.M. is equal to the Qur'an, that Islam is incomplete without T.H.E.M., that the NOI is a separate religion, that all non-believers in the NOI are non-believers in Islam, etc.(Many significant differences)
DRXCIX 9 months ago
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FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ I agree with this - this is confirming what I stated.
DRXCIX 9 months ago
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FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ That is your interpretation. When there is a difference in exegesis, then we should not condemn, but agree to disagree if the difference can't be settled amicably. (Prophet Muhammad did not prophesy many things)
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX No he prophecised MANY things.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ I think you misunderstood me; I meant that there are many things he did not prophesy about that are occurring in the world.
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX This is something concerning Islam, strictly Islam. This is a messenger it is the way of Allah to tells us about Messengers but you don't see that with any of the false prophets/messenger. Once again we are talking about AFTER the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him not BEFORE. The premises of your argument is fraudulent and you do not provide any clear answer. The Mahdi was prophesied from the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him because he is a figure to expect to come.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
Show me a Hadith prophecising the coming of Elijah Muhammad. You won't find one.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ I repeated this enough, there are many Messengers that are not listed in Qur'an or Hadith, so stop making this statement - I listed a few above (Samuel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, etc., etc.)
DRXCIX 9 months ago
Plain and simple, the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him came for All Mankind. Thats why the Quran constantly says "Oh Human beings!" Not "Oh Arabs!"
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@DRXCIX Nor was he spoken about in any way so we can identify him plus Orthodox Muslims (and even other sects of ISlam) affirm that the teachings of Elijah Muhammad are different from the teachings of ISlam, they didnt bring new scripture. Now if the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him is the last Prophet there is no more revelation, meaning you can't change this book or the teachings of it.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ Again, this a difference in exegesis; let scholarly debate decide this or leave it to God. T.H.E.M. is not changing the book; that is your misunderstanding of the teaching of the NOI.
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX here a hadith
Abû Dharr asked Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) about the number of prophets. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “They were one hundred and twenty four thousand prophets, out of whom were three hundred and fifteen messengers.” [Musnad Ahmad
Now if every Prophet is a messenger but every messenger is not a prophet than it should've been the other way around! And it should've been 124 000 messengers and out of them 315 should've been Prophets!
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ This again, is an issue of exegesis and this forum is to limited to get into this.
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ If you interpret this Hadith the way you want to, then there would be no pure Messengers, everyone would be either a Prophet or a Prophet & Messenger. I'm sure you know that this would be absurd. There are Messengers that are not Prophets or Prophet/Messengers. Aaron & other Messengers like him are Messengers, not Prophets or Prophet & Messengers. So, as I said before, we have a difference in exegesis.
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX /watch?v=YaKzkUTZY40
The hadith is clear, to say there is a difference in exegesis. There are PROPHETS who are not messengers but i wouldn't say messengers who are not Prophet. You can't bring me a single prophecy. The Blind are not equal to the seeing.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ The reason that there are scholars and that there are many different sects in Islam is because there are difference in exegesis. If you say that there are no Messengers that are not Prophets then you have moved to the ridiculous.
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX Thats exactly how it is! There Isn't Pure Messengers! Messengers are to a higher degree.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@DRXCIX Now to say "who made you a judge" is a poor reply because i can say the same to you. Now i can say where is your authority? Show me the Authority sent by Allah to confirm Elijah Muhammad as his messenger. You have none, and you'll never have one.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ I am not judging you or anything you have said. I was stating that be careful to judge; you may not have the authority to judge matters that should be left to God. According to Qur'an, leave judging to Allah: Yusuf Ali Qur'an 22:17 - "Those who believe, those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), & the Sabians, Christians, Magians, & Polytheists, - God will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for God is witness of all things." (See Panel #2)
DRXCIX 9 months ago
(Panel #2): If there are Messengers & Prophets not mentioned in the Qur'an by name, why do you persist in this. Is it vanity, ego or ignorance? Name the specific Prophet & Messenger that was sent specifically to the Nations of Russia, Mongolia, the Myans & the Aztecs. This is not for you to Judge - is this clear?
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX Onces again you are talking about past messengers and Prophets. You are talking about that which has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I am talking about Prophets and Messengers after Islam. Like how the bible has prophecies about the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Elijah is not in Islamic prophecies. But we do have prophecy of one man, his name is Muhammad Ibn Abdullah and he will be the mahdi. He will come and establish an Islamic caliphate and than after him Jesus will come.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@DRXCIX And the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him went into detail about him.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@DRXCIX This is straight up disbelief, and falsehood. And the Falsehood is clear from the Truth.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ Islam is as old as the Universe and has no limitation. So there are no criteria that should limit Prophets and Messengers to after Islam - there is no before or after Islam. Islam was, is and will be. Islam existed before 4000 years ago, before Abraham and Moses, so stop saying before Islam (this is a contradictory statement). (See Panel #2)
DRXCIX 9 months ago
(Panel #2): There are many Messengers & Prophets that are not in the Qur'an (like Daniel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Samuel, Ezekiel, Zechariah, Shem, etc.). Your refusal to see clarity in this simple logic is ludicrous. There is no disagreement on the Mahdi and the Messiah with the NOI - this is clear. Your thought process appears to be like those who keep Islam in the dark - you strain at a gnat but swallow an elephant.
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX You actually do not understand what i am saying. I am not denying that they are messengers and scholars such as Ibn Kathir has stated that they are messengers. One quick note, Zachariah is in the Quran, Samuel is mentioned without name, and Daniel is mentioned by the Companions. We are not talking about people that have all ready passed away before the Prophet Muhammad. We are talking about claims about AFTER the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. I am not saying you don't believe...
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@DRXCIX In the Mahdi or the Messiah, i am stating that there coming is detailed. We know how to identify there coming, where they are going to come, what they will look like, in what situation is the world at the time, his name and so and so forth. You do not have that for Elijah Muhammad.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ With all these words, you have not shown that he cannot be who he says he is. Messengers do not have to answer to the world, the world has to listen & heed their message, thats all.
DRXCIX 9 months ago
Just another minor question: The Incas existed since Prophet Muhammad, who was their Messenger since a Messenger is suppose to have been sent to all nations? (knowing you don't have an answer, you will probably say Prophet Muhammad - However, they never heard of him, his message or Islam; I'm familiar with their history).
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX Its not me who has to show, it is you who has to show. Someone who says he is a Messenger does not make him a messenger. You need proof, you need a criterion, you need a standard that comes from Allah. You need news about a coming of another messenger. My Dear Friend take this in and do not just reject it off the bat.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ No Messenger or Prophet in his time had to prove or show proof of himself or mission. They submitted to God, obeyed his command and delivered what whatever message, scripture or deed he asked. For example, Jonah was asked to deliver a message to the people of Nineva, he did & they obeyed without question and their city was saved (no proof was required). This was the same for Lot (no proof given), however, the people of Sodom disobeyed & we know the result.
DRXCIX 9 months ago
Continued: You are like Thomas, the doubting decipleof Jesus, he demanded proof from Prophet Jesus. Also, like the doubting Jews that confronted Jesus seeking proof from him. Jesus did not have to prove anything, he came with a word and you either accepted or not. In Abraham's time, he did not have to show proof either.
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX Not buying this, You actually do not know if they were prophesied or not, we know that Jesus peace be upon him, David peace be upon him and a few other ones were prophesied about. The Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was prophesied in previous scripture. The Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, he gave us a lot of minor and major signs that the day of judgement is close. He prophesied the coming of a few figures that would come after him. If Elijah Muhammad was a MESSENGER than...
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ You don't have to buy it; the judge is Allah. We are all given free will to choose.
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX Bottom line you have no proof from scripture. Just don't choose the hell fire
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ I wasn't trying to prove anything, I was attempting to show you the folly of being so judgmental. God is the judge, not you. However, personally, I don't believe in hellfire (my personal opinion) - this seems to me like bullshit scare tactics (I fear God, not hellfire).
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX Judgemental? To ask for proof? You have disbelieved in Allah and his Messenger after you said Elijah is the messenger of Allah than saying hellfire is fake. Allah says fear the fire! How dare you use the Quran and than disbelieve in it! May Allah save us from the likes of you people.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ No, not judgmental in asking for proof, but judgmental in judging someone publicly that seems inappropriate. I didn't say hellfire is fake; I said I personally I don't believe in it, I fear God only (not hellfire). You are quick to condemn and quick to judge. As I said before, you error is vanity - your feelings of being so right that everyone that does not go along with what you think is right is judged erring.
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX Its not about me being right, its about The Quran and the Messenger being right. Face it, if you claim to be a messenger of Islam you need to bring your proofs that this messenger was brought from Allah. There is no authority brought by you. How can you say that you don't believe in hell fire and say its fake? Maybe you mean you are not afraid of hell fire. To fear God you ultimately have to have fear in his punishment and displeasure.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ You keep missing the whole point; you have the right to disagree and I accept that. I disagree with you and the judge of who is right is not yours; that belongs to God. Your arrogance is your problem. I've explained myself thoroughly and your vanity won't let you see this. As I said before, I personally don't believe in hellfire (I did not say it is a fake), I fear only God.
DRXCIX 9 months ago
@DRXCIX he would've most definitely been mentioned. You must understand its not a small point, its a big one.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@DRXCIX You knew exactly what i meant. Allah has given us a criterion for everything and that is the Quran. He Calls the Quran Al Furqan, which means the criterion. So your statement is flawed. Face it, you can't answer the question. Why not turn to Al Islam in its purity? Just believe in the Messenger of Allah.
FATAL12SKILLZ 9 months ago
@FATAL12SKILLZ Your error is Vanity, it is now clear that you feel so right that your vanity clouds your heart. You need to reflect on what it means to be a Muslim.
DRXCIX 9 months ago
in second 15 theres two guys are saying a bad thing
(( he is cumming ))
where is the security ??
musleminspire 1 year ago
@musleminspire What are you talking about and why?
mediapadTV 1 year ago
Hi people Im not jewish Im black and Im spiritualy proud of it, one of the things that helps me the most are the images on the egipcians walls showing the Nubians making business with the rest of the world, that had tought me a lot, there was a time when we were business men, and we were doing business with the rest of the world. Amen.
panamanubian 1 year ago
shieldsff please dont come with that. He represents the man you are talking about. And he ain't white. What Preacher you know stands against the most powerful government in the world? Show me in the Bible where Jesus said he was a Christian..take your time Ill wait!! Would Jesus tell the Government they are wrong? YES!!! Jesus dont want us waiting on him, its our duty to be fisher of men!!
DavidOwenWard 1 year ago
This was a good speech, but why don't you trust now the Lord Jesus CHRIST to save and redeem you from your many sins and offenses against God and man ? Did you know that Jesus states he is the only Way, the Truth & the Light (of the Word). He is NOT a [mere] pubuh...HE is the CREATOR of the earth, all Space and Heavens, Jesus is the one who shows "Allah" because He is, in fact, the only true One God revealed to you and me so that we can have truth and Everlasting life. Believe me I pray friend !
shieldsff 2 years ago
"Father, why hat thou forsaken me". With due respect to Jesus, that does not sound like the words of the Almighty though your intelligence may convince you otherwise. Peace
mediapadTV 2 years ago
@shieldsff ok look man go back and read n u will see that lesus neva says that he is god nor that he is his son
vinniepcan 1 year ago
preach
JOHNIM826 2 years ago
@JOHNIM826 -- Yes.... in fact, it does ! And the main reason for that is because Christians are people of the book. Even in the Quran, we are told to read and study the book (the Bible) for truth, wisdom and knowledge. The difference between us, is that I read the ENTIRE truth of the book in context.... You choose to read SELECTIVE passages based on UR limited, pre-conceived, unbelieving, narrow religious perspective. Try reading the entire Gospels & books w/o bias- hope that helps !!!
shieldsff 2 years ago
do you know the difference between facts and assumptions? arrogance causes your intuition to fail you
mediapadTV 2 years ago
@mediapadTV -of course I do.... YOUR assumption that I do not have the proper facts is an example of your use of intuition and a[n] example of YOUR arrogance. I think I got it. Thanks
shieldsff 2 years ago
interesting term. the education was in effort to re-shift the thought patterns back from the effects of the trans atlantic slave trade and out of the fear of white supremacy. I have never known them to be violent, certainly not compared to the effects of current world rulers..
mediapadTV 2 years ago
Wow, black supremacists wear better suits than white supremacists.
biggest23 2 years ago
@biggest23 Racial nationalism and "supremacism" aren't the same thing. Think outside of the mainstream media box.
habbadou 1 year ago
Who is the bigger fool? The one who leads, or the one who follows?
DHCMAV 2 years ago
well that would depend upon the path being walked. the most efficient route from a clear point to another is in a straight line. if you have a question that warrants a response, be straight about it.
mediapadTV 2 years ago