@dr71956 Right...I just showed someone else how useless it is to argue when you have no knowledge of history or politics, so suffice it to say, you are historically and politically wrong. I can assume you have no real knowledge of history as I do.
Obama has not done anything for America. He did however bring America together in 2008. Now America dropped down in the credit ratin the first time in history. Big government spending is crippling our economy and Obama relies to much on the public sector and the government. Free Markets, Low Taxes, Widen our private sector so YOU can be free with what u want to do is something we need. NO MORE government involvement in our lives See through the LIES. Conservatism brings true peace not liberalism
@JordonSanchez Again, sir, read the report please Pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2011/08/sp-downgrades-us-credit-rating-from-aaa-for-first-time.html The downgrade was the result of gov't NOT GOING FAR ENOUGH to fix the deficit. Democrats allowed for spending cuts (Obama: "we want a balanced approach") but Boehner did NOT ALLOW any increased taxes for the rich. The report also claims USA gov't is inefficient, i.e. Boehner threatening to shut down gov't if repubs dont get what they want. really man...
@JordonSanchez You obviously DO care about this because you brought this up unprovoked and made a false statement about the credit "ratin" downgrade.You have no real knowledge of politics or current events so you result to pure ideology and slander towards democrats, like in your post from last week. Then you bring up a completely irrelevant point to evade confronting the information that proved your last weeks rant wrong. FYI it's "they're" when it's a plural possessive; learn to fucking spell.
@Jiveness No i could care less, it's you who cared otherwise you wouldn't of started this whole thing with someone you don't even know. I DON'T CARE what you have to say about myself or your views. LOL "learn to spell" really? It's a FUCKING virtual website which i could care less about spelling. Jesus you been at this for almost A MONTH NOW do you not have a life? Damn i was nice at first but now your like a fly on shit that won't go away
@JordonSanchez You were just mad because anything you said I proved untrue and you couldn't hold your own in a fact-based argument. As for a life, I'm pretty secure in how very interesting it is, so that's not really something I care about you assuming; I do care a lot when people tell lies and spread hate for the sake of hate like you do...
"It's a FUCKING virtual website which i could care less about spelling." Goddamn man, stay in the army and out of writing.
@Jiveness Your right, you obviously know myself better than i do. How do i spread the hate?, because i voice my opinions and people like you come along and harass someone for more than a month? Yeah i spread the hate, I join the U.S. Army because i love my country and i love the American people and i love the fact that we are free to express our opinions like we have been. Your a very intelligent person i got that, but u need to be a peaceful person in order for people to actually listen to you
@JordonSanchez I commend your bravery but that doesn't mean you can make statements about how the liberals are ruing the world and politics, but then back it up with nothing. I call that spreading hate for the sake of hate (or division). I'm saying you only hate Obama because he's not conservative/doesn't hold your beliefs. I will cede that you're a braver man than and I and in the US you're allowed to believe whatever you want and thank God for that; I love America too.
@dr71956 I think you are mistaken. Conservatives historically and politically demonstrate value for sameness, tradition, and loyalty, leading to what I will call small-mindedness and ethnocentrism. This is the result of lack of acceptance of different cultures and other ways of life. That would lead to ignorance. ted.com/talks/lang/eng/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html
Well you LOST move on! We probably would've been screwed because you wouldn't of known what to do with 9/11,Iraq,Katrina,Economic Meltdown! how many presidents have to deal with what George W Bush did? As far as i'm concerned your all about environment right Gore? and you criticize Bush on destroying and harming our environment, why did Bush open a 300,000+ acre environmental habitat protection area in the ocean? the largest wildlife preserve! Look at our country now Obama made it 10x worse!
The Katrina respond disaster was the result of the Bush administration's hiring of of political hacks into FEMA, resulting in a completely unprepared and inexperienced response team when Katrina hit. Because FEMA was so unprepared and unorganized due to said hiring, private agencies did much of the work on their own.
@Jiveness I really wanna know why everyone on youtube says "You are obviously Uneducated" lol like every single comeback starts with that. Very very good try though! THERE was not much bush can do IN the state! He can propose PLANS to insure security in the state but if the GOVERNOR does not accept his plans then nothing will happen on behalf of the situation, Thanks for the tip on my education status.
@JordonSanchez I said that because it's clear you don't know the detailed FACTS about the situation; you just told me what presidents can do in general! FEMA has shown great results before, like with 9/11, where because Clinton admin. members were still in control at FEMA, and because of the great desire for people to unite, FEMA and private groups cleaned up Ground Zero 6 months ahead of schedule at 1/10 the est. cost. FEMA showed the country how much good it could do. NY is also very rich
@JordonSanchez so the state government has much more money to work with and is less dependent on federal groups like FEMA in times of disaster. Louisiana was THE POOREST STATE IN THE COUNTRY in 2005 and second to Montana in 2004 so the state government was much more reliant on federal programs like FEMA. Because of the poor organization structure of FEMA/lousy hiring under the Bush adm., largely private companies had to do most of the clean up and the state suffered greatly. Thanks Bush amdin.!
@Jiveness I'm not going 2 argue w/ a person over the internet.U can try to prove ur point, but in all reality ur views are as bias as they come. Listen i could care less bout ur "BA". I haven't even reached college & i have obtained more knowledge in High School then it seems like you have in your life. U can go on and brag about how much u know, but u probably looked everything up on google just to prove someone wrong. Well your not getting anywhere with me. Harass sum 1 else w/ ur views.
@JordonSanchez Bias is not bad. Everybody is bias as a result of their life; no one leads a neutral life (especially not those in the military...) I have a liberal view of the world. Consequently, do not tell me to open my mind, when I guarantee I am more open minded than you, or that you have learned more in you NEBRASKA high school education (which you just finished) and the army than I have in 4 and a half years of organized learning through a university (at which I was on the dean's list).
@Jiveness And you are right about Democrats being widely involved in foreign affairs. Last i checked Bill Clinton aided and trained Osama Bin Laden. We could've killed Osama Bin Laden but Bill Clinton denied it. Say what you want but there's always something else that will come back and haunt your views. LBJ always had a horrible FOREIGN POLICY in Vietnam. Vietnam man was that a great war or what???? NO it wasn't we had no strategy in Vietnam and we lost more american lives then we should have
@Jiveness And as for Jimmy Carter, he was one dumb person. He didn't know left from right. Anyone with a ounce of knowledge would know Jimmy Carter was a no good president just like Obama. Thank god Reagan took him out or else we would've been in trouble in the 80's also. Thanks Jiveness i widely appreciate your points your trying to prove and maybe i'll take into consideration some of it!
@JordonSanchez Carter was not amazing, admittedly, but Reagan was far worse than Clinton. Reagan sent the deficit into the sky, faster than any other president (Including Obama), traded drugs, money, and hostages with Iran and nicaraguan rebels, ignored AIDS, gave chemical weapons to Hussein, claimed trees cause more pollution than cars, armed the Taliban in their fight against the soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and created the hugest shift of taxes from the rich to the poor. Do not talk hist.
@Jiveness And i admit i am only 18 years old. I don't know everything. I will gain more knowledge like you have once i entered the realm of college life.
As for 9/11, democratic presidents have historically shown more interest in domestic affairs, and it is likely that Gore's administration would have payed attention to the constant warnings and threats to America, such as intercepted messages that said things like "tomorrow is zero day" or "the connection is tomorrow" (intercepted sep.10).
George Bush told government scientists like Jim Hansen to stop giving speeches on global warming because he did not like the implications climate-change had for his domestic policy. Looks like he only wants to be as environmental as he can be controlling of the discussion on the environment.
@Jiveness The only way George Bush could've helped out was to insert a Insurrection on the state of Lousiana. Therefore how would that reflect on the public? How would the public portray that? Your right George Bush could've done more but it is also the responsibility of the State Government
@JordonSanchez As I said, historically, (I have my BA in 20th Cent American History), democratic presidents have been much more concerned with domestic issues (ala FDR, LBJ, Carter), and under Gore, domestic groups like FEMA would have been efficiently and effectively organized using the neutral merit system (look it up) that is supposed to be used in the fed. gov't., and we wouldn't have had our head stuck in a country THAT HAD NO TIES TO BIN LADEN/AL-QAEDA OR WMD! FUCK YOU BUSH FUCK YOU FUCK Y
Also, the Clinton admin. created a surplus in the national budget for the first time since 1969, which was the result of the Johnson administration. All this talk about "not giving Obama blank checks" (lie told by Bachmann--all budget policy for the proposed 2.1-2.4 trillion dollars in new debt must be approved by [the republican] congress) is ridiculous! G.W.B. more than doubled the debt of all presidents before him! The same is true of the Reagan and George H.W. Bush admins.! DOMESTIC POLICY.
@Jiveness Like i said before I'm not going to debate with somebody over the internet. You have no Justifiable answer or can prove any of this from more than one source! Just so you know! We were in the worst recession crisis since the great depression because during 2008 when it happened the congress was controlled by [the democratic party] i can keep going all day dude i don't care to the slightest. The fact is Rick Perry balanced Texas budget and created billions of dollars in surpluses.
@JordonSanchez It is common knowledge that the financial collapse (which occurred at the END of the Bush adm.) was the result of the pop of the housing bubble in 2007, which was created by lack of government oversight and regulation which was the policy of the FED chairman Greenspan, who later admitted this was a horrible decision and resigned, and the Bush adm., who believed that if banks were left to their own devices, the wealth would trickle down. Documentary "Inside Job." Congress? What?
@Jiveness Okay dude Your opinion matters just as much as mine, and i'm very sick of fighting with you. Nothing i can say will change your thoughts nor will you change mine. That's how american politics works you should already know that.
@JordonSanchez The point of my arguing with you was to show you that arguing with no FACTUAL knowledge of history or modern politics is useless. I have nothing against you as a person, but the fact that you (and most conservatives) believe so strongly in something that you can't even base in observable knowledge is frightening. And American politics should NOT be about stubbornness and rigidity. It should be about debate and compromise, things Boehner refused to do, i.e. debt ceiling crisis!!!
@Jiveness I do not agree on ur hypothesis on conservatives. I emphasize the role of free markets and individual achievement as the primary factor behind economic prosperity. I favor fiscal conservatism & promotions of personal responsibility over welfare programs. A theory once stated that reducing income tax rates increases GDP growth & thereby generate the same or more revenue for the government from the smaller tax on extra growth. Private spending is more efficient than government spending.
@Jiveness Texas economy is amongst the best in the U.S. thus gaining more business from other states. The businesses come from California, Illinois and New York all [Democratic states] and ran by democrats. Like i said you have no justifiable answer that can actually prove me in any circumstance how the Democrats are helping there states with job creation other than Rick Perry [Republican]. Now Bill Clinton was good but like i said once in a blue moon we get those candidates that serve well
@Jiveness Obama is the most liberal president ever. The belief that government should bailout and help every business is in no way logical nor is it reasonable. You can keep on by debating PAST history or you can live in the now because THAT'S the situation here, i could care less about the past its the FUTURE we need to worry about. Quit with the remarks that are not justifiably correct and start with the Present problems.
@JordonSanchez The past guides us to the present which takes us to the future. It is the most important thing anyone can know. By the way, Bush gave the country a stimulus package in 2007 and bailed out the banks, fyi. Rick Perry balanced the budget because he got 8.6 billion from Washington under The Recovery Act, which left Texas's "Rainy Day Fund" untouched. hhs.gov/recovery/programs/states/texas.html How is that for present
@Jiveness I like how you say New York is very rich. Why are there businesses moving from there and transferring to Texas? Same goes for California, Illinois. I just want to know where your sources are coming from besides CNN and the other democratic media. Widen your mind
@JordonSanchez If you want to play that game, then I could say you have shown me none of your sources (and spelled words wrong, like, ironically, "know") while, when you ask me, I show you multiple sources. By the way, just because CNN isn't as conservative as FOX news doesn't mean it's liberal. Ed Rollins, William Bennett, Amy Holmes, Tara Wall, Alex Castellanos, and Sam Dealey are all conservative reporters on CNN, so was Rick Sanchez. CNN INT. is the most watched news station in the world
@JordonSanchez Yes, The NEW DEAL Legislation/repealing of prohibition/social security(FDR), VOTING RIGHTS ACT/CIVIL RIGHTS ACT/Medicare/Medicaid/Diminished Poverty/protection acts for consumers (LBJ), and the creation of the Department of EDUCATION/Department of ENERGY and closer regulation of nuclear energy (Carter) were bad domestic policies, you're right. You still haven't ADDRESSED any of the comments I made demonstrating you don't know the political history of the Bush administration.
@Jiveness Bush How many presidents do you know had to deal with the great tensions he did. 9/11, Iraq War, Katrina, Stem Cell Researching, Economic Meltdown and the list goes on. Bushs Administration had a great Foreign Policy. One in which we WEREN'T ATTACKED AGAIN. We took the fight to the enemy crushing its Evil Islamic Regime and took out Al Qaida strongholds. We kept strong ties with Israel our ally. Iraq is now a democratically elected government and our ally. U seem smart u should no this
@JordonSanchez You should not ask me about past presidents, as you have expressed that you don't care about the past and demonstrated you have little knowledge of it. Lincoln, FDR, and LBJ all had extremely huge issues to deal with and are all usually considered among historians as some of the best presidents. BTW they all were liberal or were in their own time liberal (Lincoln was a "republican" but did not feel the states had enough rights to succeed). GWB has proved to be one of the worst yet
@Jiveness How do you know that's what happend between Jim Hansen? Were you there? Do you personally know verbatim what was talked about between Bush and Hansen? You can't believe everything you hear
According to James Hansen, as on 60 Minutes, June 30th 2006. It was in the textbook "Understanding American Government 13th edition" published this year. It was also in Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine." All you have to do is moderately study politics to understand what a disaster the last administration was. Why do people deny it so fervently? Do they have some personal relation with him?
The lingering question from the 2000 election has always been: If Al Gore so wanted "every vote to count," how come his post-election legal strategy was based on re-counting votes only in Democrat-leaning counties? Hmm ...?!
That said: Al Gore is a fatass hypocrite (literally and figuratively). Want proof? Go to tennesseepolicy[dot]org and search "Al Gore personal energy use."
Things would be a lot better. There wouldn't be a bunch of right winged nut jobs who help the rich and could care less about the poor, America's economy would be outstanding just like it was during the Clinton years. nothing but peace and prosperity.
I don't get how people can be against environmentalism. How can you be against the Earth? How can you be against protecting the planet you live on? How can you be against securing the future of humanity? So the big oil CEOs can afford their yachts and Lambourghinis? They''ve really brainwashed people to care about their interests.
@maximum411 well, the Republicans tried to convince people that Global Warming was not man made to try and help Bush win. Of course Global Warming is man made, Bush won in 2000, and things got bad.
Thank God Al lost that election. How many more terrorist attacks would we have endured while he spentn 8 years getting arrest warrants for terrorists?
@Siskonx01 If Al Gore got elected, 9/11 may not have happened because Gore would have continued Clinton's efforts to kill Osama, unlike the Conservatives who simply didn't want to try to find him.
Although I agree with him on most of what he said, the economic crisis most likely would have occured under him as well. Clinton scrapped massess of banking regulation
@harj2009 lol boy id hate to meet you, i could practically smell the shit off of you from here. you are one ignorant ass hole if you seriously dont think the fumes from our machines cant warp our atmosphere
oh and your argument "forcing people by taxation to like cavemen is sick." i dont even know how to fucking understand that man, god damn
@TheTrueMetal9 if dont understand something think insead of blaming the statements u dumb ass junky motherfucker. You too stupid to thing for your self so you join the green bandwagon without looking at the facts and go around trying to convince other ppl to be as blind as you.Global warming is bullshit. the govt has no right to tax you just because your breathe or light a fire. you can live in cave and eat ur shit 3 times a day but dont bring ur faggy green lifestyle to me
@harj2009 lol you know what if i took your recomendation all id probably have to do is eat your shit instead cause boy you are practicaly swimming in it! too stupid to think for myself, youre the dumb ass who belives anything conservatives say, and you know what? its shit heads like them that make other countries dislike us. if you could just do me one favor and please dont breed, the stupidity off you ppl is outrageous!
Is that suppose to be a logical Argument? Merely superimposing negative outcomes, or unpopular figures upon your opponents without real logic, argument or proof is not an argument! I guess that's why Fox&Co can shout Nazi/Socialist/Terrorist/Kenyan and the morons bite, because, they are idiotic and uncritical enough to swallow anything they want to believe.Lets not forget that Madoff was most active through the entirety 8 years of Bush's deregulation Binge and that the S&L happened under Reagan
If John Kerry would of ran in 2000!, I would of not been able not say hello to everybody, but since today there's a world of pricks, well that's what happens,
its fair to say that gore probably won but to attribute 9/11 to bush's election is ludicrous an unfair. admittedly he was influenced heavily by neocons but the attacks had been in planning for possibly over a decade; they are more related to the reaction of the afghan people after the soviet war in the 80s. reagan and bush the 1st pretty much sandbagged the afghans and used them to fight the soviets. so obviously they were pretty upset
these same people were the same people who voted the republicans back into the house to take over the majority. I don't get this country man..i...i just dont
@mastshke You're so right. Idiotic, ill-informed electorate. The founding father's were right, the common people sometimes don't have enough sense to select their leaders.
I agree that if Gore had won in 2000, Americans wouldn't have gone into Iraq, and I do believe that 9/11 may not have happened. And don't get me wrong, I really do wish that Gore had won. However, the end of this speech struck me as being a lot of hindsight woulda-coulda-shoulda...
It's funny to see conservatives defend Bush when it's so obvious when looking over from Europe that the US began a historical decline under his leadership. They're declining from a superpower to one of many great power. They will be facing huge problems when they find themselves knocked from their perch.
Bush will be remember as the man who started the beginning to Americas end.
Lol the dems are at it again, trying to take away absentee ballot votes (as al gore tried in florida which gave Bush the win) I guess its to widely known about 80% of the military (real americans) vote conservative. But i got an idea if you wanna take away absentee military votes then dont let the unemployed vote either.
@mikethebassguy Really? Do you have a source on that? If you say a news source, then five me their sources.
PROTIP: personal investigation is not a source without an objective audience. (80% of Fox viewing soldiers are Republican does not mean 80% of all soldiers.) I will go out on a limb and say it is pretty close to 45/45 like the rest of America, but that is an estimate with no source backing me up.
@TheNixolas Go to Camp Lejeune North carolina stand on the corner and ask random people of every race, and gender that are in uniform. I cant speak for the other 3 branches as that is just hear say. But ask Marines and the majority vote conservative.
@mikethebassguy Here in Wis-can-sin the opposite is mostly true. You can' t only use one area as your test group because different areas have different demographics, it isn't all about race and gender. For a truly accurate depiction of the military service men and their political leanings, you have to ask every single one from every single region of every single state. And that's ridiculous.
Marines don't vote conservative, North Carolinians vote conservative. As Wisconsinites vote liberal.
@TheNixolas I would agree with the demographics aspect, but that does not exist on a military base. My father is from Rhode Island (liberal state) Retired out of NC. A good friend is there from Virginia (voted obama), Some of my father's marines from oklahoma, florida, new hampshire and tennesee said the same. The one that was a liberal was from Texas. Its just widely known that marines are conservative
Hey daddymak9 Clinton's so called balanced budget came from depleting the military closed over 130 bases. Clinton had at least three chances to get bin laden so use all the facts not just the ones that make your argument look good
Give me a break, Al. Sore loser, whiner, crybaby, spoiled brat! You lost every Florida recount. Hell, you even lost your home state! All you had to do was win TN and you'd be Prez #43. You couldn't even do that. Aren't you at all embarrassed by that? You're a condescending jerk. You look like a lizard. Your liberal arts degree from Harvard doesn't convince me you know a damn thing about global warming. You can't shut up. The Presidency is NOT something you were "entitled to".
You bet things would have been different. We would have been attacked on 9/11, Gore would have stumbled around trying to figure out what to do next, he would not have been able to find Bin Laden (Clinton tried for eight years and couldn't) and Gore would have been much slower to respond to the threat of terrorism, and then we would have been attacked a couple of more times, this time with nukes, and then we would have been invaded. End of USA. yes, things would have been different.
@gootenslog You're just as evil as those who call Bush a Nazi. I spit in your fucking face. You need to get out of my country. There are some things you just DONT DO!
Fact is that Bush did win florida . In 2001 2 independent recounts showed Bush won by a larger margin then the 500 or so they said he won by. The Miami Herald and USA Today paid for the recount.
And he won where it counts also....in the electoral college which these Demo-Nazis never seem to understand and which they seek to undo the constitution to seek their own agenda. The Supreme Court only affirmed the constitution and the validity of the election and prevented Gore from trying to steal it.
George W Bush's people made sure no matter what happened that he won, be it fairly or not. World would have been a better place if Al gore was president of USA!
But now I think Jesse Ventura should be president of USA and George Galloway should be prime minister of UK!
Anyone who voted for bush in the 2000 presidential election should not be allowed to vote for the rest of their lives!!! Because of the idiots that that voted for their fellow idiots the country is in the toilet!!!
@illusionistdave That is what makes America so great! Even after the worst president of all time was in office for 8 years there are some people that voted for someone from Alaska who with out a doubt would do even worse! God bless America.
1) Saddam was bad..no worse then many others..and wasnt actively killing thousands at that point..how many iraqi's have died in the war and from effects of the war?
2) some of the things passed in usa patroit act where good..dismantling our rights are not some of those things.
3) the way "no child left behind" ended up being structured, i would say "good"
That's not to say that Gore wouldn't have been a better president than Bush. Gore is about a 100,000 times smarter than Bush. And he was rightfully and legally elected in 2000. That election was stolen, no question.
But there's little moral difference between the two. Gore and his buddy Clinton proved to America just how right-wing the Democratic party can be.
about Serbia..yeah, we bombed Iraq..and we tried to get bin ladan, and may have killed cilivans in that context..given the circumstances i would say while tragic those things where resonable. I was in college at the time we bombed Serbia. I was pretty liberal, still am, but i was real politic...some of the more far left profs argue that bombing serbia was some huge war crime...even though we stopped a GENOICDE...that wasnt Iraq...that was a def in place genoicde going on....
you cant bomb and not have some people die..by your logic you can never bomb then...maybe we shouldnt have ever bomed germany or went to war with them (yes...maybe we shouldnt have done carpet boming..fire boming...fine) but your logic, when imployed, would say that we can NEVER bomb...if ANY innocent people die. Its a noble philisophy...but guys like hitler and stalin will eat you with you have that philisophy.
we definitly should not have fire bombed civilan homes...should not have fire bomed...but if we had not bombed factories we would have been screwed...if Japan and Germany could have kept turning out the same number of tanks, airplanes, ext, it would have been far harder to defeat them. When bombing...no matter how you bomb....their is always the chance of bombs going astray, people being places you dont expect them to be....so no, you cant bomb and not kill civilans. you can minimze....
...you can minimze civilian loss..but tragically some civilians will die. Today many complain that we did not bomb the rail lines to the death camps. That might have slowed down the transport of jews into the death camps, and hence lowed the total deaths..but if we had bombed such rail lines on a large scale, some civilians would have been killed in the bombing....again..no easy answer.
But when you bomb populated areas of a city, you can't have such assurances. There's no way to know that hundreds or even thousands of civlians might no be killed by your actions.
Bombing should be kept to a minimum, only for percision strikes against military targets and uninhabited areas.
well i would agree with that..but no matter what...some people will die likely..maybe not many..but some...and in the case of Serbia..i think the fact that the bombing stopped the aggression and slaughter of the cro's..made it logical...though of course..the death of the civilians is terrible.
I understand the argument that the ends do not justify the means...if you believe that, then you must be a pacifist..but then you have to be real about...and not say "yeah but hitler was different" no be a pacifist all the way....lay down before hitler..if your a jew, let hitler do with you as you may (which is actually what Gandia recommended). But for myself, that isnt my view....
The killing of armed soldiers in combat is not intrinsically evil. Though sad, it can be justified. Those soldiers knew the risks, and were prepared to fight for their lives.
The killing of civilians is different. Civilians are neither armed nor trained. They are innocent of the crimes of their governments. They are often defenseless, the elderly, mothers, children...
I'm not a pacifist, but any warfare that can't avoid civilian casualtis is evil
but my point is....in a large scale war..it is impossible to totally avoid civilian death...so the situation becomes..does the fact that some civilians will die (even if you just restriced yourself to ground combat...some would die) mean that you can never fight a war....again war should be avoided as often and in as many ways as possible..but sometimes it may well be the lesser of two evils.
Here's how I see it: Our military should not target civilians, and should not use any tactics that can't be employed without killing civilians (such as nuclear strikes, the bombing of populated areas, etc.)
Of course, some civilians will still die. There are always factors that we can't account for.
But the number will be minimal, and we can say we took every precaution within reason to keep them from dying.
finally about sanctions..im up in the air on that...not sure if i buy the number..but even if true..then what? do UN resoultions have no teeth at all..back in the 80's all the far left folks wanted up to put sanctions on south africa? was it wrong then?
Sanctions are not absolutely evil, but they have to be done right. Sanctions that weaken the military and economy are good. Sanctions that cut off food supplies and let people starve are evil.
The sanctions were maintained because of pressure from the US and Israel. According to Chomsky, most of the nations in the UN wanted to lift the sanctions, but US and Israeli diplomats insisted they be kept up.
well its a diffcult thing..the sancations in truth did allow for food and medicine to be traded. Of course when you are blocking oil sales its going to impact all aspects of the economy...and then the food that did come in..was often being siphoned off to the military..its a hard thing. But any type of sancations are going to cause more poverty..which will..by the sheer nature of a modern industrial society will increase infant mortality and other such evils.
Yes it would have been different !no lies to start a war for oil,costing trillions in deficit to US and 100,000's of Iraquis deaths and thousands of american soldiers deaths.There wouldn't be the Guantanamo SHAME.There WOULD have Already been Health care reforms.There WOULDN'T be the Katrina disaster as a Democrat would have FUNDED the REBUILT and not PATCHING of the levies,a democrat would have responded IMMEDIATELY To the disaster and not let people die like animals.And EVERYTHING Gore said.
Theirs no reason that man shouldnt have been giving this speech as the soon to be departing President.
Even to this day, thinking or reading about the 2000 election makes me mad. One of the only good things about it, is the fact that people will be less likely to vote for a "regular joe", and that the Republican name is temporarily down. Lets just hope that if things pick up again, people wont forget, and think that things are going too well, for the wrong person to ruin it...
this makes me so sad... oh how i wish things were different
abarbar06 4 days ago
He should run again !
alex20hope2009 4 months ago
@dr71956 Right...I just showed someone else how useless it is to argue when you have no knowledge of history or politics, so suffice it to say, you are historically and politically wrong. I can assume you have no real knowledge of history as I do.
Jiveness 4 months ago
Obama has not done anything for America. He did however bring America together in 2008. Now America dropped down in the credit ratin the first time in history. Big government spending is crippling our economy and Obama relies to much on the public sector and the government. Free Markets, Low Taxes, Widen our private sector so YOU can be free with what u want to do is something we need. NO MORE government involvement in our lives See through the LIES. Conservatism brings true peace not liberalism
JordonSanchez 4 months ago
@JordonSanchez Again, sir, read the report please Pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2011/08/sp-downgrades-us-credit-rating-from-aaa-for-first-time.html The downgrade was the result of gov't NOT GOING FAR ENOUGH to fix the deficit. Democrats allowed for spending cuts (Obama: "we want a balanced approach") but Boehner did NOT ALLOW any increased taxes for the rich. The report also claims USA gov't is inefficient, i.e. Boehner threatening to shut down gov't if repubs dont get what they want. really man...
Jiveness 4 months ago
@Jiveness Jesus dude i could care LESSSSS By the way how is FEMA doing? i heard there 20 billion dollars in debt? oh ok
JordonSanchez 4 months ago
@Jiveness Jesus dude i could care LESSSSS By the way how is FEMA doing? i heard there 20 billion dollars in debt? oh ok
JordonSanchez 4 months ago
@JordonSanchez You obviously DO care about this because you brought this up unprovoked and made a false statement about the credit "ratin" downgrade.You have no real knowledge of politics or current events so you result to pure ideology and slander towards democrats, like in your post from last week. Then you bring up a completely irrelevant point to evade confronting the information that proved your last weeks rant wrong. FYI it's "they're" when it's a plural possessive; learn to fucking spell.
Jiveness 4 months ago
@Jiveness No i could care less, it's you who cared otherwise you wouldn't of started this whole thing with someone you don't even know. I DON'T CARE what you have to say about myself or your views. LOL "learn to spell" really? It's a FUCKING virtual website which i could care less about spelling. Jesus you been at this for almost A MONTH NOW do you not have a life? Damn i was nice at first but now your like a fly on shit that won't go away
JordonSanchez 4 months ago
@JordonSanchez You were just mad because anything you said I proved untrue and you couldn't hold your own in a fact-based argument. As for a life, I'm pretty secure in how very interesting it is, so that's not really something I care about you assuming; I do care a lot when people tell lies and spread hate for the sake of hate like you do...
"It's a FUCKING virtual website which i could care less about spelling." Goddamn man, stay in the army and out of writing.
Jiveness 3 months ago
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JordonSanchez 3 months ago
@Jiveness Your right, you obviously know myself better than i do. How do i spread the hate?, because i voice my opinions and people like you come along and harass someone for more than a month? Yeah i spread the hate, I join the U.S. Army because i love my country and i love the American people and i love the fact that we are free to express our opinions like we have been. Your a very intelligent person i got that, but u need to be a peaceful person in order for people to actually listen to you
JordonSanchez 3 months ago
@JordonSanchez I commend your bravery but that doesn't mean you can make statements about how the liberals are ruing the world and politics, but then back it up with nothing. I call that spreading hate for the sake of hate (or division). I'm saying you only hate Obama because he's not conservative/doesn't hold your beliefs. I will cede that you're a braver man than and I and in the US you're allowed to believe whatever you want and thank God for that; I love America too.
Jiveness 3 months ago
@Jiveness Thank you man, are we cool now?
JordonSanchez 3 months ago
@JordonSanchez Yes
Jiveness 3 months ago
@dr71956 I think you are mistaken. Conservatives historically and politically demonstrate value for sameness, tradition, and loyalty, leading to what I will call small-mindedness and ethnocentrism. This is the result of lack of acceptance of different cultures and other ways of life. That would lead to ignorance. ted.com/talks/lang/eng/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html
Jiveness 4 months ago
@dr71956
I believe you have that backwards. You conservatives wouldn't vote for Jesus because of the color of his skin.
Obama won, get over it. And he will win again so you might as well get ready for more arrogance. It's always the liberals fault.
deboisblanc 5 months ago
This guy reminds me alot of Obama. This would not of happen if al gore got in office and I think everyone knows it. They are just trying to be funny.
gigaboy47 5 months ago
This guy reminds me alot of Obama. This would not of happen if al gore got in office and I think everyone knows it.
gigaboy47 5 months ago
All in all, this country would have done A FUCKING LOT BETTER under President Gore.
Jiveness 5 months ago
Ron Paul
LittleRicky63 5 months ago
Gore got screwed, and consequently, the United States of America. Courtesy of George Bush.
mrbball151 5 months ago
He should totally run a second time in 2012.
biohazard93808 5 months ago
excellent speech
CARMELIRI 6 months ago
Well you LOST move on! We probably would've been screwed because you wouldn't of known what to do with 9/11,Iraq,Katrina,Economic Meltdown! how many presidents have to deal with what George W Bush did? As far as i'm concerned your all about environment right Gore? and you criticize Bush on destroying and harming our environment, why did Bush open a 300,000+ acre environmental habitat protection area in the ocean? the largest wildlife preserve! Look at our country now Obama made it 10x worse!
JordonSanchez 6 months ago
@JordonSanchez You are obviously uneducated.
The Katrina respond disaster was the result of the Bush administration's hiring of of political hacks into FEMA, resulting in a completely unprepared and inexperienced response team when Katrina hit. Because FEMA was so unprepared and unorganized due to said hiring, private agencies did much of the work on their own.
Jiveness 5 months ago
@Jiveness I really wanna know why everyone on youtube says "You are obviously Uneducated" lol like every single comeback starts with that. Very very good try though! THERE was not much bush can do IN the state! He can propose PLANS to insure security in the state but if the GOVERNOR does not accept his plans then nothing will happen on behalf of the situation, Thanks for the tip on my education status.
JordonSanchez 5 months ago
@JordonSanchez I said that because it's clear you don't know the detailed FACTS about the situation; you just told me what presidents can do in general! FEMA has shown great results before, like with 9/11, where because Clinton admin. members were still in control at FEMA, and because of the great desire for people to unite, FEMA and private groups cleaned up Ground Zero 6 months ahead of schedule at 1/10 the est. cost. FEMA showed the country how much good it could do. NY is also very rich
Jiveness 5 months ago
@JordonSanchez so the state government has much more money to work with and is less dependent on federal groups like FEMA in times of disaster. Louisiana was THE POOREST STATE IN THE COUNTRY in 2005 and second to Montana in 2004 so the state government was much more reliant on federal programs like FEMA. Because of the poor organization structure of FEMA/lousy hiring under the Bush adm., largely private companies had to do most of the clean up and the state suffered greatly. Thanks Bush amdin.!
Jiveness 5 months ago
@Jiveness I'm not going 2 argue w/ a person over the internet.U can try to prove ur point, but in all reality ur views are as bias as they come. Listen i could care less bout ur "BA". I haven't even reached college & i have obtained more knowledge in High School then it seems like you have in your life. U can go on and brag about how much u know, but u probably looked everything up on google just to prove someone wrong. Well your not getting anywhere with me. Harass sum 1 else w/ ur views.
JordonSanchez 5 months ago
@JordonSanchez Bias is not bad. Everybody is bias as a result of their life; no one leads a neutral life (especially not those in the military...) I have a liberal view of the world. Consequently, do not tell me to open my mind, when I guarantee I am more open minded than you, or that you have learned more in you NEBRASKA high school education (which you just finished) and the army than I have in 4 and a half years of organized learning through a university (at which I was on the dean's list).
Jiveness 5 months ago
@Jiveness And you are right about Democrats being widely involved in foreign affairs. Last i checked Bill Clinton aided and trained Osama Bin Laden. We could've killed Osama Bin Laden but Bill Clinton denied it. Say what you want but there's always something else that will come back and haunt your views. LBJ always had a horrible FOREIGN POLICY in Vietnam. Vietnam man was that a great war or what???? NO it wasn't we had no strategy in Vietnam and we lost more american lives then we should have
JordonSanchez 5 months ago
@Jiveness And as for Jimmy Carter, he was one dumb person. He didn't know left from right. Anyone with a ounce of knowledge would know Jimmy Carter was a no good president just like Obama. Thank god Reagan took him out or else we would've been in trouble in the 80's also. Thanks Jiveness i widely appreciate your points your trying to prove and maybe i'll take into consideration some of it!
JordonSanchez 5 months ago
@JordonSanchez Carter was not amazing, admittedly, but Reagan was far worse than Clinton. Reagan sent the deficit into the sky, faster than any other president (Including Obama), traded drugs, money, and hostages with Iran and nicaraguan rebels, ignored AIDS, gave chemical weapons to Hussein, claimed trees cause more pollution than cars, armed the Taliban in their fight against the soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and created the hugest shift of taxes from the rich to the poor. Do not talk hist.
Jiveness 5 months ago
@Jiveness And i admit i am only 18 years old. I don't know everything. I will gain more knowledge like you have once i entered the realm of college life.
JordonSanchez 5 months ago
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JordonSanchez 5 months ago
@JordonSanchez
As for 9/11, democratic presidents have historically shown more interest in domestic affairs, and it is likely that Gore's administration would have payed attention to the constant warnings and threats to America, such as intercepted messages that said things like "tomorrow is zero day" or "the connection is tomorrow" (intercepted sep.10).
Jiveness 5 months ago
@JordonSanchez
George Bush told government scientists like Jim Hansen to stop giving speeches on global warming because he did not like the implications climate-change had for his domestic policy. Looks like he only wants to be as environmental as he can be controlling of the discussion on the environment.
Jiveness 5 months ago
@Jiveness The only way George Bush could've helped out was to insert a Insurrection on the state of Lousiana. Therefore how would that reflect on the public? How would the public portray that? Your right George Bush could've done more but it is also the responsibility of the State Government
JordonSanchez 5 months ago
@JordonSanchez As I said, historically, (I have my BA in 20th Cent American History), democratic presidents have been much more concerned with domestic issues (ala FDR, LBJ, Carter), and under Gore, domestic groups like FEMA would have been efficiently and effectively organized using the neutral merit system (look it up) that is supposed to be used in the fed. gov't., and we wouldn't have had our head stuck in a country THAT HAD NO TIES TO BIN LADEN/AL-QAEDA OR WMD! FUCK YOU BUSH FUCK YOU FUCK Y
Jiveness 5 months ago
@Jiveness Oh waittt There domestic policies were just as bad as their Foreign Policies
JordonSanchez 5 months ago
Also, the Clinton admin. created a surplus in the national budget for the first time since 1969, which was the result of the Johnson administration. All this talk about "not giving Obama blank checks" (lie told by Bachmann--all budget policy for the proposed 2.1-2.4 trillion dollars in new debt must be approved by [the republican] congress) is ridiculous! G.W.B. more than doubled the debt of all presidents before him! The same is true of the Reagan and George H.W. Bush admins.! DOMESTIC POLICY.
Jiveness 5 months ago
@Jiveness Like i said before I'm not going to debate with somebody over the internet. You have no Justifiable answer or can prove any of this from more than one source! Just so you know! We were in the worst recession crisis since the great depression because during 2008 when it happened the congress was controlled by [the democratic party] i can keep going all day dude i don't care to the slightest. The fact is Rick Perry balanced Texas budget and created billions of dollars in surpluses.
JordonSanchez 5 months ago
@JordonSanchez It is common knowledge that the financial collapse (which occurred at the END of the Bush adm.) was the result of the pop of the housing bubble in 2007, which was created by lack of government oversight and regulation which was the policy of the FED chairman Greenspan, who later admitted this was a horrible decision and resigned, and the Bush adm., who believed that if banks were left to their own devices, the wealth would trickle down. Documentary "Inside Job." Congress? What?
Jiveness 5 months ago
@Jiveness Okay dude Your opinion matters just as much as mine, and i'm very sick of fighting with you. Nothing i can say will change your thoughts nor will you change mine. That's how american politics works you should already know that.
JordonSanchez 5 months ago
@JordonSanchez The point of my arguing with you was to show you that arguing with no FACTUAL knowledge of history or modern politics is useless. I have nothing against you as a person, but the fact that you (and most conservatives) believe so strongly in something that you can't even base in observable knowledge is frightening. And American politics should NOT be about stubbornness and rigidity. It should be about debate and compromise, things Boehner refused to do, i.e. debt ceiling crisis!!!
Jiveness 4 months ago
@Jiveness I do not agree on ur hypothesis on conservatives. I emphasize the role of free markets and individual achievement as the primary factor behind economic prosperity. I favor fiscal conservatism & promotions of personal responsibility over welfare programs. A theory once stated that reducing income tax rates increases GDP growth & thereby generate the same or more revenue for the government from the smaller tax on extra growth. Private spending is more efficient than government spending.
JordonSanchez 4 months ago
@Jiveness Texas economy is amongst the best in the U.S. thus gaining more business from other states. The businesses come from California, Illinois and New York all [Democratic states] and ran by democrats. Like i said you have no justifiable answer that can actually prove me in any circumstance how the Democrats are helping there states with job creation other than Rick Perry [Republican]. Now Bill Clinton was good but like i said once in a blue moon we get those candidates that serve well
JordonSanchez 5 months ago
@Jiveness Obama is the most liberal president ever. The belief that government should bailout and help every business is in no way logical nor is it reasonable. You can keep on by debating PAST history or you can live in the now because THAT'S the situation here, i could care less about the past its the FUTURE we need to worry about. Quit with the remarks that are not justifiably correct and start with the Present problems.
JordonSanchez 5 months ago
@JordonSanchez The past guides us to the present which takes us to the future. It is the most important thing anyone can know. By the way, Bush gave the country a stimulus package in 2007 and bailed out the banks, fyi. Rick Perry balanced the budget because he got 8.6 billion from Washington under The Recovery Act, which left Texas's "Rainy Day Fund" untouched. hhs.gov/recovery/programs/states/texas.html How is that for present
Jiveness 5 months ago
@Jiveness I like how you say New York is very rich. Why are there businesses moving from there and transferring to Texas? Same goes for California, Illinois. I just want to know where your sources are coming from besides CNN and the other democratic media. Widen your mind
JordonSanchez 5 months ago
@JordonSanchez If you want to play that game, then I could say you have shown me none of your sources (and spelled words wrong, like, ironically, "know") while, when you ask me, I show you multiple sources. By the way, just because CNN isn't as conservative as FOX news doesn't mean it's liberal. Ed Rollins, William Bennett, Amy Holmes, Tara Wall, Alex Castellanos, and Sam Dealey are all conservative reporters on CNN, so was Rick Sanchez. CNN INT. is the most watched news station in the world
Jiveness 5 months ago
@JordonSanchez Yes, The NEW DEAL Legislation/repealing of prohibition/social security(FDR), VOTING RIGHTS ACT/CIVIL RIGHTS ACT/Medicare/Medicaid/Diminished Poverty/protection acts for consumers (LBJ), and the creation of the Department of EDUCATION/Department of ENERGY and closer regulation of nuclear energy (Carter) were bad domestic policies, you're right. You still haven't ADDRESSED any of the comments I made demonstrating you don't know the political history of the Bush administration.
Jiveness 5 months ago
@Jiveness Bush How many presidents do you know had to deal with the great tensions he did. 9/11, Iraq War, Katrina, Stem Cell Researching, Economic Meltdown and the list goes on. Bushs Administration had a great Foreign Policy. One in which we WEREN'T ATTACKED AGAIN. We took the fight to the enemy crushing its Evil Islamic Regime and took out Al Qaida strongholds. We kept strong ties with Israel our ally. Iraq is now a democratically elected government and our ally. U seem smart u should no this
JordonSanchez 5 months ago
@JordonSanchez You should not ask me about past presidents, as you have expressed that you don't care about the past and demonstrated you have little knowledge of it. Lincoln, FDR, and LBJ all had extremely huge issues to deal with and are all usually considered among historians as some of the best presidents. BTW they all were liberal or were in their own time liberal (Lincoln was a "republican" but did not feel the states had enough rights to succeed). GWB has proved to be one of the worst yet
Jiveness 5 months ago
@Jiveness How do you know that's what happend between Jim Hansen? Were you there? Do you personally know verbatim what was talked about between Bush and Hansen? You can't believe everything you hear
JordonSanchez 5 months ago
@JordonSanchez @JordonSanchez
According to James Hansen, as on 60 Minutes, June 30th 2006. It was in the textbook "Understanding American Government 13th edition" published this year. It was also in Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine." All you have to do is moderately study politics to understand what a disaster the last administration was. Why do people deny it so fervently? Do they have some personal relation with him?
Jiveness 5 months ago
BTW We had a shortage of Arabic translators because they were dismissed DUE TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
Jiveness 5 months ago
The lingering question from the 2000 election has always been: If Al Gore so wanted "every vote to count," how come his post-election legal strategy was based on re-counting votes only in Democrat-leaning counties? Hmm ...?!
That said: Al Gore is a fatass hypocrite (literally and figuratively). Want proof? Go to tennesseepolicy[dot]org and search "Al Gore personal energy use."
Al Gore ... what a big, fat joke!
JoltinDjango 6 months ago
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If these guys were our presidents
Jimmy Carter 1977-1985
Walter Mondale 1985-1993
Bill Clinton 1993-2001
Al Gore 2001-2009
Barack Obama 2009-2017
Things would be a lot better. There wouldn't be a bunch of right winged nut jobs who help the rich and could care less about the poor, America's economy would be outstanding just like it was during the Clinton years. nothing but peace and prosperity.
jayNicks10 6 months ago
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jayNicks10 6 months ago
I don't get how people can be against environmentalism. How can you be against the Earth? How can you be against protecting the planet you live on? How can you be against securing the future of humanity? So the big oil CEOs can afford their yachts and Lambourghinis? They''ve really brainwashed people to care about their interests.
maximum411 7 months ago
@maximum411 well, the Republicans tried to convince people that Global Warming was not man made to try and help Bush win. Of course Global Warming is man made, Bush won in 2000, and things got bad.
jayNicks10 6 months ago
Al Gore is my favorite mainstream politician. If only they had recounted the Florida votes... our country would be so much better off.
maximum411 7 months ago
the real winner of the 2000 election!
Dolan721 7 months ago 10
If?
AndreasAntoniusMaria 7 months ago
But guess what Al?? You didn't win so go home and shut up!!
82blp 7 months ago
Thank God Al lost that election. How many more terrorist attacks would we have endured while he spentn 8 years getting arrest warrants for terrorists?
Siskonx01 8 months ago
@Siskonx01 If Al Gore got elected, 9/11 may not have happened because Gore would have continued Clinton's efforts to kill Osama, unlike the Conservatives who simply didn't want to try to find him.
FloridaLiberal 7 months ago
god damn you bush
TheTrueMetal9 8 months ago
he would have put us in a depression
WR3STL3 8 months ago
Although I agree with him on most of what he said, the economic crisis most likely would have occured under him as well. Clinton scrapped massess of banking regulation
jampt1989 9 months ago
Al gore has drifted far too much into green bullshit since 00
harj2009 9 months ago
@harj2009 any fight for the environment is "too much green bullshit" these days
weve burned a hole through our ozone, get your head out of your ass
TheTrueMetal9 8 months ago
@TheTrueMetal9 fighting for the environment ie protesting against big oil deep sea drilling is good
but bull shitting about man made global warming is a joke, forcing people by taxation to like cavemen is sick.
get ur head out of the corporate media bitch
harj2009 8 months ago
@harj2009 lol boy id hate to meet you, i could practically smell the shit off of you from here. you are one ignorant ass hole if you seriously dont think the fumes from our machines cant warp our atmosphere
oh and your argument "forcing people by taxation to like cavemen is sick." i dont even know how to fucking understand that man, god damn
TheTrueMetal9 8 months ago 5
@TheTrueMetal9 if dont understand something think insead of blaming the statements u dumb ass junky motherfucker. You too stupid to thing for your self so you join the green bandwagon without looking at the facts and go around trying to convince other ppl to be as blind as you.Global warming is bullshit. the govt has no right to tax you just because your breathe or light a fire. you can live in cave and eat ur shit 3 times a day but dont bring ur faggy green lifestyle to me
harj2009 8 months ago
@harj2009 lol you know what if i took your recomendation all id probably have to do is eat your shit instead cause boy you are practicaly swimming in it! too stupid to think for myself, youre the dumb ass who belives anything conservatives say, and you know what? its shit heads like them that make other countries dislike us. if you could just do me one favor and please dont breed, the stupidity off you ppl is outrageous!
TheTrueMetal9 8 months ago
Is that suppose to be a logical Argument? Merely superimposing negative outcomes, or unpopular figures upon your opponents without real logic, argument or proof is not an argument! I guess that's why Fox&Co can shout Nazi/Socialist/Terrorist/Kenyan and the morons bite, because, they are idiotic and uncritical enough to swallow anything they want to believe.Lets not forget that Madoff was most active through the entirety 8 years of Bush's deregulation Binge and that the S&L happened under Reagan
Xalgucennia 9 months ago
Gammaray what do you put after just sayin?-just saying
res57 10 months ago
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Learn to spell disciples you idiot- another Bush republican
We were robbed in 2000
res57 10 months ago
Learn to spell disciples you idiot- another Bush republican
res57 10 months ago
@res57
Typically, one ends a statement or sentence with a period or some other appropriate symbol. You know, like an exclamation mark or a Question mark.
Just sayin
GammaRay43 10 months ago
THERE IS NO GLOBAL WARMING. is a lie told by Gore and his deciples.
12chapin 11 months ago
@12chapin You're right.
springjo1 10 months ago
If John Kerry would of ran in 2000!, I would of not been able not say hello to everybody, but since today there's a world of pricks, well that's what happens,
GraniteTH 11 months ago
My name is Bernie Madoff and I endorse this scheme.
magprob 1 year ago
yes bin laden.gotta catch that sneaky arab.he's hiding in caves and planning elaborate terrorist strikes across the atlantic
Samura1gamer 1 year ago
funny guy. if that... if something else... he had his chance and he blow it. if you looking for ..responsible look into mirror.
pasztet79 1 year ago
Who knows what would have happened if Gore was elected in 2000
quest8899 1 year ago
I like this video that shows Algore blasting the first Bush admin for "ignoring" Saddam's ties to terrorism and his WMD's.
Enjoy.
watch?v=0h6gehCPvpk&feature=related
jovidman69 1 year ago
Al Gore. Bladder full of hot air.
jovidman69 1 year ago
And we would also be peeing in bottles
LiVeChIc101 1 year ago
its fair to say that gore probably won but to attribute 9/11 to bush's election is ludicrous an unfair. admittedly he was influenced heavily by neocons but the attacks had been in planning for possibly over a decade; they are more related to the reaction of the afghan people after the soviet war in the 80s. reagan and bush the 1st pretty much sandbagged the afghans and used them to fight the soviets. so obviously they were pretty upset
TrueNegro 1 year ago
What Garbage, it's really easy to say what you would have done if you WON the election.
Cuishy123 1 year ago
these same people were the same people who voted the republicans back into the house to take over the majority. I don't get this country man..i...i just dont
mastshke 1 year ago
@mastshke You're so right. Idiotic, ill-informed electorate. The founding father's were right, the common people sometimes don't have enough sense to select their leaders.
JamalDOA 1 year ago
@JamalDOA Absolutely correct. How else could Obama have ever gotten elected.
Kram6298 1 year ago
I agree that if Gore had won in 2000, Americans wouldn't have gone into Iraq, and I do believe that 9/11 may not have happened. And don't get me wrong, I really do wish that Gore had won. However, the end of this speech struck me as being a lot of hindsight woulda-coulda-shoulda...
felisd 1 year ago
If Al Gore was elected, the 2000s would of kicked 1990s in it's ass IMO.
sega31098 1 year ago
meh
ecp73 1 year ago
I probably agree with Reason tv journalist Nick Gillespie that the ''worst thing about the 2000 election was that one side had to win''.
Gore should of won in 2000 fairly easily though,its hard to believe why you would distance yourself from a popular president despite his sex scandal.
fenderboy88 1 year ago
It's funny to see conservatives defend Bush when it's so obvious when looking over from Europe that the US began a historical decline under his leadership. They're declining from a superpower to one of many great power. They will be facing huge problems when they find themselves knocked from their perch.
Bush will be remember as the man who started the beginning to Americas end.
gunseng2 1 year ago
@gunseng2 Lol
Axalara 1 year ago
Al Gore for President - again! :D
pilipinasmabuhay100 1 year ago
why didn't he get bin laden when he was running things. he was in government for over 30 years, now he acts like an innocent bystander
Noquitterlvnv 1 year ago
even as a canadian i wish gore would have been the president
forrester05 1 year ago
Lol the dems are at it again, trying to take away absentee ballot votes (as al gore tried in florida which gave Bush the win) I guess its to widely known about 80% of the military (real americans) vote conservative. But i got an idea if you wanna take away absentee military votes then dont let the unemployed vote either.
mikethebassguy 1 year ago
@mikethebassguy Really? Do you have a source on that? If you say a news source, then five me their sources.
PROTIP: personal investigation is not a source without an objective audience. (80% of Fox viewing soldiers are Republican does not mean 80% of all soldiers.) I will go out on a limb and say it is pretty close to 45/45 like the rest of America, but that is an estimate with no source backing me up.
TheNixolas 1 year ago
@TheNixolas Go to Camp Lejeune North carolina stand on the corner and ask random people of every race, and gender that are in uniform. I cant speak for the other 3 branches as that is just hear say. But ask Marines and the majority vote conservative.
mikethebassguy 1 year ago
@mikethebassguy Here in Wis-can-sin the opposite is mostly true. You can' t only use one area as your test group because different areas have different demographics, it isn't all about race and gender. For a truly accurate depiction of the military service men and their political leanings, you have to ask every single one from every single region of every single state. And that's ridiculous.
Marines don't vote conservative, North Carolinians vote conservative. As Wisconsinites vote liberal.
TheNixolas 1 year ago
@TheNixolas I would agree with the demographics aspect, but that does not exist on a military base. My father is from Rhode Island (liberal state) Retired out of NC. A good friend is there from Virginia (voted obama), Some of my father's marines from oklahoma, florida, new hampshire and tennesee said the same. The one that was a liberal was from Texas. Its just widely known that marines are conservative
mikethebassguy 1 year ago
Hey daddymak9 Clinton's so called balanced budget came from depleting the military closed over 130 bases. Clinton had at least three chances to get bin laden so use all the facts not just the ones that make your argument look good
danny6644220 1 year ago
al gore lost like a bitch!
phantom1000A 1 year ago
Give me a break, Al. Sore loser, whiner, crybaby, spoiled brat! You lost every Florida recount. Hell, you even lost your home state! All you had to do was win TN and you'd be Prez #43. You couldn't even do that. Aren't you at all embarrassed by that? You're a condescending jerk. You look like a lizard. Your liberal arts degree from Harvard doesn't convince me you know a damn thing about global warming. You can't shut up. The Presidency is NOT something you were "entitled to".
WilliamRowlett 1 year ago
...............but would Gore be protecting the right of a masseuse not to be sexually harassed by a dirty old man in his hotel room in 2006???
Hell no, and no one should be stupid enough to think things would be any better under a Gore administration eight years ago.
Gore is a moron and will be to the day he finally sexually harrasses his lame ass in to the grave.
gootenslog 1 year ago
stop rubbing it in Gore! imm still pissed that u didn't win
andrewdude1 1 year ago
You bet things would have been different. We would have been attacked on 9/11, Gore would have stumbled around trying to figure out what to do next, he would not have been able to find Bin Laden (Clinton tried for eight years and couldn't) and Gore would have been much slower to respond to the threat of terrorism, and then we would have been attacked a couple of more times, this time with nukes, and then we would have been invaded. End of USA. yes, things would have been different.
chrisman737 1 year ago
@chrisman737
Finally some common sense among all these self-deluded Demo-Nazi morons.
gootenslog 1 year ago
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@gootenslog You're just as evil as those who call Bush a Nazi. I spit in your fucking face. You need to get out of my country. There are some things you just DONT DO!
illusionistdave 1 year ago
Fact is that Bush did win florida . In 2001 2 independent recounts showed Bush won by a larger margin then the 500 or so they said he won by. The Miami Herald and USA Today paid for the recount.
mainebay 1 year ago
@mainebay
And he won where it counts also....in the electoral college which these Demo-Nazis never seem to understand and which they seek to undo the constitution to seek their own agenda. The Supreme Court only affirmed the constitution and the validity of the election and prevented Gore from trying to steal it.
gootenslog 1 year ago
George W Bush's people made sure no matter what happened that he won, be it fairly or not. World would have been a better place if Al gore was president of USA!
But now I think Jesse Ventura should be president of USA and George Galloway should be prime minister of UK!
sajmeister 1 year ago
SO many idiot democrats there....
hpesoj616machine 1 year ago
Al Gore would of made a great president. America would be in better shape if he would of been president.
meetreality10 1 year ago
Anyone who voted for bush in the 2000 presidential election should not be allowed to vote for the rest of their lives!!! Because of the idiots that that voted for their fellow idiots the country is in the toilet!!!
TheJman6360 1 year ago
@TheJman6360 Wow, so anyone who doesn't vote the way you think should not be allowed to vote? Thanks Saddam Hussein.
illusionistdave 1 year ago
@illusionistdave That is what makes America so great! Even after the worst president of all time was in office for 8 years there are some people that voted for someone from Alaska who with out a doubt would do even worse! God bless America.
TheJman6360 1 year ago
@TheJman6360 Not sure what this has to do with the topic.
illusionistdave 1 year ago
Well our president is under Sharia law.
rowland2110 1 year ago
After 911 Al would have surrendered and we would all be living under Sharia law
cupera1 1 year ago
I don't think 9/11 would've happened.
YOURGODISNOWHERE 1 year ago
AMEN! HELL YEAH MAN!
GOD, That speech gets my blood hot with passion and Energy!
If only, if only.
johnson1095 1 year ago 4
You do reliaze AL is not A christian. He wants to say something that the people would want to hear.
michaelwallner 1 year ago
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So another words....
1) We'd have allowed Saddam Hussein to kill thousands more of his own people
2) We would not have passed the USAPatriot Act of formed the dept. of homeland security to keep us safe
3) We would have never passed " No Child Left Behind "
When Gore says " Here we are in 2008 " the only positive thing that comes to mind is President Lieberman.
MrConservativeTalk 2 years ago
1) Saddam was bad..no worse then many others..and wasnt actively killing thousands at that point..how many iraqi's have died in the war and from effects of the war?
2) some of the things passed in usa patroit act where good..dismantling our rights are not some of those things.
3) the way "no child left behind" ended up being structured, i would say "good"
gqmighty 2 years ago
Nonsense.
Under Clinton, we:
Bombed several countries, killing hundreds of civilians.
Ignored the climate crisis.
Expanded Federal use of the death penalty.
Joined NAFTA, causing our workers to lose their jobs and Mexican workers to be exploited.
Refused to sign the International Landmine Ban.
"Bill Clinton was the best Republican president we've ever had."
-Michael Moore.
seltian 2 years ago
That's not to say that Gore wouldn't have been a better president than Bush. Gore is about a 100,000 times smarter than Bush. And he was rightfully and legally elected in 2000. That election was stolen, no question.
But there's little moral difference between the two. Gore and his buddy Clinton proved to America just how right-wing the Democratic party can be.
seltian 2 years ago
well the boming was mostly on serbia..to stop a genocide
gqmighty 2 years ago
@gqmighty Serbia was only one of the countries that we bombed.
We also bombed Iraq throughout the Clinton presidency.
The UN says that, between the bombing and the sanctions, 500,000 Iraqi civilians died.
seltian 2 years ago
about Serbia..yeah, we bombed Iraq..and we tried to get bin ladan, and may have killed cilivans in that context..given the circumstances i would say while tragic those things where resonable. I was in college at the time we bombed Serbia. I was pretty liberal, still am, but i was real politic...some of the more far left profs argue that bombing serbia was some huge war crime...even though we stopped a GENOICDE...that wasnt Iraq...that was a def in place genoicde going on....
gqmighty 2 years ago
The ends do not justify the means. Stoping a genocide doesn't justify killing innocent people.
And how was the bombing of Iraq "reasonable?" Since when is killing hundreds of thousands of innocents ever "reasonable?"
seltian 2 years ago
you cant bomb and not have some people die..by your logic you can never bomb then...maybe we shouldnt have ever bomed germany or went to war with them (yes...maybe we shouldnt have done carpet boming..fire boming...fine) but your logic, when imployed, would say that we can NEVER bomb...if ANY innocent people die. Its a noble philisophy...but guys like hitler and stalin will eat you with you have that philisophy.
gqmighty 2 years ago
You can't bomb and not kill people, but you can bomb and not kill civilians.
We should not have bombed Germany or Japan. We should have restricted ourselves to ground warfare and, in Japan's case, diplomacy.
seltian 2 years ago
we definitly should not have fire bombed civilan homes...should not have fire bomed...but if we had not bombed factories we would have been screwed...if Japan and Germany could have kept turning out the same number of tanks, airplanes, ext, it would have been far harder to defeat them. When bombing...no matter how you bomb....their is always the chance of bombs going astray, people being places you dont expect them to be....so no, you cant bomb and not kill civilans. you can minimze....
gqmighty 2 years ago
...you can minimze civilian loss..but tragically some civilians will die. Today many complain that we did not bomb the rail lines to the death camps. That might have slowed down the transport of jews into the death camps, and hence lowed the total deaths..but if we had bombed such rail lines on a large scale, some civilians would have been killed in the bombing....again..no easy answer.
gqmighty 2 years ago
Bombing factories would not have been acceptable. It's too likely that we would have destroyed nearby homes, or the workers, or something like that.
Rail lines can easily be bombed without killing civilians. Simply bomb them in uninabited areas while there aren't any trains actually passing by.
Now, could we be absolutely sure that no civilians would die? No, but we could be fairly sure, and certain that if any died, it would be minimal.
seltian 2 years ago
But when you bomb populated areas of a city, you can't have such assurances. There's no way to know that hundreds or even thousands of civlians might no be killed by your actions.
Bombing should be kept to a minimum, only for percision strikes against military targets and uninhabited areas.
seltian 2 years ago
well i would agree with that..but no matter what...some people will die likely..maybe not many..but some...and in the case of Serbia..i think the fact that the bombing stopped the aggression and slaughter of the cro's..made it logical...though of course..the death of the civilians is terrible.
gqmighty 2 years ago
You can't defend human life by destroying it.
Yes, the Croats are innocent people, who don't deserve to be slaughtered. But the Serbs are people to.
One must find a way to spare them both.
seltian 2 years ago
I understand the argument that the ends do not justify the means...if you believe that, then you must be a pacifist..but then you have to be real about...and not say "yeah but hitler was different" no be a pacifist all the way....lay down before hitler..if your a jew, let hitler do with you as you may (which is actually what Gandia recommended). But for myself, that isnt my view....
gqmighty 2 years ago
no, I needn't be a pacifist to say that.
The killing of armed soldiers in combat is not intrinsically evil. Though sad, it can be justified. Those soldiers knew the risks, and were prepared to fight for their lives.
The killing of civilians is different. Civilians are neither armed nor trained. They are innocent of the crimes of their governments. They are often defenseless, the elderly, mothers, children...
I'm not a pacifist, but any warfare that can't avoid civilian casualtis is evil
seltian 2 years ago
but my point is....in a large scale war..it is impossible to totally avoid civilian death...so the situation becomes..does the fact that some civilians will die (even if you just restriced yourself to ground combat...some would die) mean that you can never fight a war....again war should be avoided as often and in as many ways as possible..but sometimes it may well be the lesser of two evils.
gqmighty 2 years ago
Here's how I see it: Our military should not target civilians, and should not use any tactics that can't be employed without killing civilians (such as nuclear strikes, the bombing of populated areas, etc.)
Of course, some civilians will still die. There are always factors that we can't account for.
But the number will be minimal, and we can say we took every precaution within reason to keep them from dying.
seltian 2 years ago
finally about sanctions..im up in the air on that...not sure if i buy the number..but even if true..then what? do UN resoultions have no teeth at all..back in the 80's all the far left folks wanted up to put sanctions on south africa? was it wrong then?
gqmighty 2 years ago
Sanctions are not absolutely evil, but they have to be done right. Sanctions that weaken the military and economy are good. Sanctions that cut off food supplies and let people starve are evil.
The sanctions were maintained because of pressure from the US and Israel. According to Chomsky, most of the nations in the UN wanted to lift the sanctions, but US and Israeli diplomats insisted they be kept up.
seltian 2 years ago
well its a diffcult thing..the sancations in truth did allow for food and medicine to be traded. Of course when you are blocking oil sales its going to impact all aspects of the economy...and then the food that did come in..was often being siphoned off to the military..its a hard thing. But any type of sancations are going to cause more poverty..which will..by the sheer nature of a modern industrial society will increase infant mortality and other such evils.
gqmighty 2 years ago
I couldn't tell you the specifics of the situation.
But there certainly are ways to control a country without causing killing people.
seltian 2 years ago
Yes it would have been different !no lies to start a war for oil,costing trillions in deficit to US and 100,000's of Iraquis deaths and thousands of american soldiers deaths.There wouldn't be the Guantanamo SHAME.There WOULD have Already been Health care reforms.There WOULDN'T be the Katrina disaster as a Democrat would have FUNDED the REBUILT and not PATCHING of the levies,a democrat would have responded IMMEDIATELY To the disaster and not let people die like animals.And EVERYTHING Gore said.
giggilamour 2 years ago
Surrender to Al-Qaida
Sharia law replacing the US constitution
42 million muslims still living under tyranny in Iraq and Afghanistan
Cap and Tax and 20% unemployment for the next tow elections
cupera1 2 years ago
I also get the feeling that if the election had been in Al Gore's favoure 9/11 would not have happened.
rhdez11 2 years ago 8
@rhdez11 Why? Would the terrorists figure with a dunce like Gore the USA had it bad enough?
Srd1126 1 year ago
@rhdez11
What makes you think that? Clinton couldn't catch Bin Laden in 8 years, so would his v\vice President have done it in 8 months?
Albyiscool 1 year ago
@rhdez11 How do you get this feeling?
Axalara 1 year ago
@rhdez11 I think it could've been worst.
12chapin 11 months ago
@rhdez11 Or if Clinton had more than scraps on defense.
RonocDondra352 9 months ago
He would have been a great president
txanorro 2 years ago
Theirs no reason that man shouldnt have been giving this speech as the soon to be departing President.
Even to this day, thinking or reading about the 2000 election makes me mad. One of the only good things about it, is the fact that people will be less likely to vote for a "regular joe", and that the Republican name is temporarily down. Lets just hope that if things pick up again, people wont forget, and think that things are going too well, for the wrong person to ruin it...
RavenMichaels 2 years ago
al gore is the kanye west of politicians. in a good way.
curlyfry1106 2 years ago
VOTE FOR SIMPSON
aifammafiaaifam 2 years ago
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laurelbush 2 years ago
YOU are Simpson? I can't vote for you.
kakompo 2 years ago