Marriage - Musical Reminder to Polygamists, Fornicators etc

[Africanchristian]

I’ll be away for a while but:-

1-Jesus accepted worship.

2.-Many Jews do/did accept Jesus as the Son of God and part of the ‘Trinity’.

3-The Trinity is mathematically LOGICAL.

4-The Qur’an & Sunnah reveal Muhammad as susceptible to Satanic influences.

5-Muhammad's Allah is NOT the same as the Biblical YHWH.

6-Islam’s Jibril is NOT the same as the Biblical Gabriel.

7-Even if many people in 'the West' reject Christianity it does not mean that Islam is true.

8-Jesus is the only Way.

[Antidote54]

you are truly stupid & ignorent. talking about christianity teaching "one wife" point out to just ONE bible verse where Jesus FIRMLY commands "ONE WIFE" if you speak the Truth.

oyea if Christianity teaches "one man one wife" then why are Christian priests & bishops enjoying sex with young boys???????

not to mention Bishop Eddie Long & Rev.Ted Haggard who are world leading christian preachers. filthy christian priests are making the headlines everywhere

....SO MUCH FOR FOLLOWING GODS WAY!

[Antidote54]

you are truly stupid & ignorent. talking about christianity teaching "one wife" point out to just ONE bible verse where Jesus FIRMLY commands "ONE WIFE" if you speak the Truth.

oyea if Christianity teaches "one man one wife" then why are Christian priests & bishops enjoying sex with young boys???????

not to mention Bishop Eddie Long & Rev.Ted Haggard who are world leading christian preachers. filthy christian priests are making the headlines everywhere

..SO MUCH FOR FOLLOWING GODS WAY!

[Antidote54]

you are truly stupid & ignorent. talking about christianity teaching "one wife" point out to just ONE bible verse where Jesus FIRMLY commands "ONE WIFE" if you speak the Truth.

oyea if Christianity teaches "one man one wife" then why are Christian priests & bishops enjoying sex with young boys???????

not to mention Bishop Eddie Long & Rev.Ted Haggard who are world leading christian preachers. filthy christian priests are making the headlines everywhere

..SO MUCH FOR FOLLOWING GODS WAY!

[Antidote54]

you are truly stupid & ignorent. talking about christianity teaching "one wife" point out to just ONE bible verse where Jesus FIRMLY commands "ONE WIFE" if you speak the Truth.

oyea if Christianity teaches "one man one wife" then why are Christian priests & bishops enjoying sex with young boys???????

not to mention Bishop Eddie Long & Rev.Ted Haggard who are world leading christian preachers. filthy christian priests are making the headlines everywhere

..SO MUCH FOR FOLLOWING GODS WAY.

[Antidote54]

you are truly stupid & ignorent. talking about christianity teaching "one wife" point out to just ONE bible verse where Jesus FIRMLY commands "ONE WIFE" if you speak the Truth.

oyea if Christianity teaches "one man one wife" then why are Christian priests & bishops enjoying sex with young boys???????

not to mention Bishop Eddie Long & Rev.Ted Haggard who are world leading christian preachers. filthy christian priests are making the headlines everywhere

..SO MUCH FOR FOLLOWING GODS WAY!

[Antidote54]

you are truly stupid & ignorent. talking about christianity teaching "one wife" point out to just ONE bible verse where Jesus FIRMLY commands "ONE WIFE" if you speak the Truth.

oyea if Christianity teaches "one man one wife" then why are Christian priests & bishops enjoying sex with young boys???????

not to mention Bishop Eddie Long & Rev.Ted Haggard who are world leading christian preachers. filthy christian priests are making the headlines everywhere

..SO MUCH FOR FOLLOWING GODS WAY.

[Africanchristian]

Hi. I pray for you, including those who leave insulting remarks, that you will know God through Jesus Christ the only TRUE WAY to salvation.

The God of the universe recently used me to minister to a Muslin consequently, I realised that the best way to rescue people from a destructive religion (delusion re. atheists) is to ask the True God to demonstrate His power.

So, I'll VERY SELDOM visit YouTube. busy being used by God to open blind eyes!

Jesus is Lord of All!

[Ike1107]

I will not blame any of u guys..if u r africans cos they west used the bible to take away all that the black race has as a culture and traditions.even in bible Abraham God did not say that by taking his house help to bed is not a sin,But that she is not the woman that will bear him the promised child.This book called bible has confused the black race to an extent that some so called Born again don`t even talk to there families cos they are seen as sin conterminaters.crazy believes..

[Africanchristian]

Hi. I pray for you, including those who leave insulting remarks, that you will know God through Jesus Christ the only TRUE WAY to salvation.

The God of the universe recently used me to minister to a Muslin consequently, I realised that the best way to rescue people from a destructive religion (delusion re. atheists) is to ask the True God to demonstrate His power.

So, I'll VERY SELDOM visit YouTube. busy being used by God to open blind eyes!

Jesus is Lord of All!

[Bogusgal]

First of all, polygyny is not a sin. Study what the word "ADULTERY" means in Hebrew; you will understand why the Bible does not condemn polygyny; all arguments will end! That's better than people imposing through English translations their cultural views of ancient texts to suit their own minds. There is a book: The Complete Bible Handbook by John Bowker: In the Hebrew Bible, ADULTERY DOES NOT INCLUDE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN MARRIED MEN AND UNMARRIED WOMEN! It is sex btw a man & a wife of another.

[Africanchristian]

I'll be responding fully to Harzburgitic later.

[Harzburgitic]

Ok just make sure its not fully full of you know what

[Africanchristian]

Did you realise the errors in 

Harzburgitic "The creator commanded Abraham to take Hagar as a wife as well as Sarah"

[Harzburgitic]

Either way you like it. YOU must prove that Abraham was commiting a gross sin and God chose to speak to His illegitamate 2nd wife without ever telling Abraham that He was displeased. YOU must prove that YOU are better and more in line with God's command than Abraham. So which is it? YOU or Abraham? You are closer to God than He? YOU are the blatant liar my friend not me. So Lie and tell us that Abraham comitted a sin, Solomon, David, etc.

[Africanchristian]

Harzburgitic SORRY I removed your comment instead of reply,

You asked if it was God of the Devil that was prompting me to be responding on this site. Please repost it - thanks.

[6509491861]

GOD did not write the Bible, Torah or Koran! Stop treating women like livestock. We have feelings, thoughts and opinions.

[Bogusgal]

I don't know what polygamy you are talking about, but the polygamy I believe in is not a form of slavery or cattle breeding, but marriage. And there is a form of polygamy that does not involve God at all. There is a lot of good and bad info about polygamy, and there are so many diverse forms of it. At this, I'll say that God wrote His word through Holy men of God who spoke His words. God claimed to write the Bible. We are to take it that at face value and then weigh the evidence.

[Harzburgitic]

You are entitled to your opinion so respect other women who WANT polygamy. You act as if it is only men who support it. It is a way of life. So if one man had one woman she can't possibly be livestock too? There are ppl who have one cow or one goat you know! What about ppl who don't want to marry anyone and sleep with as many as they can? We are talking about decent people who want to do right and MARRY hello MARRY. Marriage is the topic not Cows and goats. Do shepards marry their camels?

[Africanchristian]

"You are entitled to your opinion so respect other women who WANT polygamy. "

There are men and women who support all sorts of things; polygamy, same-sex 'marraige'

My OPINION is that it is the requirement/commandment of YHWH that humans should follow!!!

Marriage from the CHRISTian point of view is 1 man 1 woman for life. People break this but that does not invalidate the command.

[Harzburgitic]

Funny that you wrote Christ in all caps when He never married at all. How are you Christ-like by marrying at all???

[Africanchristian]

Harzburgitic "Funny that you wrote Christ in all caps when He never married at all."

He did not need to be married to be the BEST teacher or example regarding marriage.

"How are you Christ-like by marrying at all???"

In many ways - too personal to share with you.  However, Jesus 'Love one another as I have loved you'.

[Harzburgitic]

How can you draw that conclusion but arrogantly ask me if i saw realised an error when I said GOD commanded Abraham to marry Hagar and Sarah? If Jesus Christ (pbuh) did not need to be married to 1 wife then He did not need to be married to MORE than 1 wife to make that lawful either.

[Africanchristian]

In the beginning - the Creator God, YHWH, commanded 1 man 1 woman marriage.

Jesus FIRMLY commanded 1 man 1 woman marriage.

Anyone who teaches that the Creator commands polygammy, is a liar - irrespective of how many billions of people follow his teachings!

[Bogusgal]

Jesus did not command 1 man 1 woman, he said not to divorce you wife and then marry another woman; he did not have any problem for a man marrying many women. Men needed to take multiple wives in those days. Stop imposing your bias culture on an ancient Jewish background. You can quote Scripture, but then you have to go back to the cultural background and understanding of it; you then would find than polygyny is not condemned. God created male and female, that is against homosexuality not poly.

[moultriegadog]

How could you know what anyone thinks? are you Allah?

[Bogusgal]

No, I am not God, but that is what God said. So you should ask, rather, "Did God say that?" And He did!

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal "Jesus did not command 1 man 1 woman, "

You are wrong - if you think you are right, please provide scriptures to support you.

"you then would find than polygyny is not condemned"

Who said polygamy was condemned in ancient times? Certainly not me.

[Bogusgal]

Ok, (1) There are no Scripture versus where Jesus commanded one man and one woman. He only condemned adultery for frivilous reasons.

(2) God sanctioned polygamy as a holy marriage option and obviously doesn't see it as an evil marriage since He gave David his wives 2Sam.12:7-8. God doesn't change his definitions. the God of the Bible even featured Himself in an allegorical way having two wives in Ezekiel 23:1-4. Jesus wouldn't contradict this!

Mandatory monogamy is evil.

[Africanchristian]

(1). Matthew 19:4-5 contradict you.

Even when the Pharisees were referring to divorce it is clear that they are talking about a monogamous union of 1 man 1 woman.

(2) "God sanctioned polygamy as a holy marriage option"

YOUR unproven assertion!!

"He gave David his wives "

BLATANT FALSEHOOD!

He gave David the wives that belonged to Saul. David was given things that had belonged to Saul.

"God doesn't change.."

EXACTLY! As stated by Jesus Matt 19:4,8

[Bogusgal]

2nd Sam.12:7-8 shows that God gave David his wives just like I said: "And I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more." See? You merely are imposing your Greco-Roman ideal on the bible, and you need to see it in light off how Moses view it.

The word adultery in Hebrew is "woman breaketh wedlock" not the husband! So the 10 commandments don't condemn polygyny!

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal

"God gave David his wives "

"just like I said"

THE BIBLE SAYS

God gave David "your master's wives"

"See? You merely are imposing your Greco-Roman ideal on the bible, and you need to see it in light off how Moses view it."

It is YOU who failed to 'see'. You assumed that David married these women.

You also failed to see that neither Jews nor Christians will look to David for an example regarding marriage!!!!

[Bogusgal]

So I guess God did not really give David his "master's house" either. LOL! David had 18 wives that God gave him. Face the facts! David's wives were also Saul's; so, David got married to them. It is so simple. The names are even the same. LOL! I don't care what Chrstians think, all I know if that God said, He gave, sanctioned and blesed David with Saul's wives to marry them. You need to face the facts and stop trying to twist the Scriptures just because you don't like God's way.

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal

God gave David the things and people that belonged to Saul.

"So I guess God did not really give David his "master's house" either. LOL! "

David did not build the house Why do you assume that David MARRIED the wives???? If you have evidence that he married them, please provide it!

You are making David an example vis a vis marriage - practicing Christians and Jews do not!

"You need to face the facts "

you have not produced any to support you!

[Bogusgal]

LOL! This is a silly game: David's marriage to Ahinoam in 1 Samuel 25:43 is a reference to his taking Saul's wife Ahinoam (1 Sam 14:50). LOL! Fuerthermore, there are MANY JEWS who still practice polygamy to this very day. LOL

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal "LOL! This is a silly game: David's marriage to Ahinoam in 1 Samuel 25:43 is a reference to his taking Saul's wife Ahinoam (1 Sam 14:50). LOL!"

You are being dishonest or ignorant.

Saul's wife is called His wife's name was Ahinoam daughter of Ahimaaz.

David's wife is called Ahinoam of Jezreel. David was living with her WHILST he was in exile BEFORE Saul died. It would have been a national scandal if David had taken Saul's wife (the mother of his David's friend).

[Bogusgal]

Oh great, you know Jesus is called son of Jacob in one Gospel, but called the son of Joseph in another, but this doesn't mean that they are different people: Ahinoam is one person. You are missing the point of 2Samuel 12:7-8 and how it is promoting polygamy versus adultery. Notice also how God said that God would have given David MORE. Nathan the prophet never said to David that he did wrong marrying many wives, only adultery (v.12). "MORE" equals more women besides Saul's, which equal polygamy.

[Africanchristian]

"Jesus is called son of Jacob in one Gospel, but called the son of Joseph in another, but this doesn't mean that they are different people"

Strange that you went to the NT to try to make this point. If we stick with the Bible book 1&2 Samuel we find several 'jonathans' each one differentiated by the name of his dad. Similarly, THE SAME WRITER is careful to differentiate the two Ahinoams.

"Ahinoam is one person" - Lacks credibility.

[Bogusgal]

Matthew 19:4-5 does not say that polygny is wrong. All Jesus did was say that God made a male and a female. The focus is on sexual orientation not polygyny. Then Jesus quotes Moses' observation about the whole situation, but this observation is not a command, but an observation: "So, THIS is the reason why a man leaves mother and father and clings unto his wife; and the two become one flesh." One flesh just means to have sexual intercourse, as 1st Cor. 6:16 about "one flesh with a prostitute."

[Bogusgal]

When the Pharisees where talking about divorce it does not mention monogamy. You are imposing that on the passage. In those Jesus' day polygyny was very popular in Palestine. God just like I showed that God gave and sanctioned to David his wives in 2nd Sam.12:8, and that adultery in Hebrew is "woman that breaks wedlock," in the 10 commandments, God did not change that to apply to the husband! Nor did Jesus! Scripture interprets Scriptures, not one passage! So stop with your falsehood!

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal "In those Jesus' day polygyny was very popular in Palestine."

No evidence for this!

Practicing Christians do not determine the rightness of something by the level of it's poupularity!

[Bogusgal]

HaHa! There is no evidence of this? What world are you living in. There are many Messianic Jews who believe in Jesus as Messiah and regular Jews in Palestine who still do polygamy even here in America. There are many websites I can give you with News Articles of them. Type in Blaine Robison, MA (Masters of Religios Studies) in Goodgle. Read his paper on Polygamy. I know a few Jews who practice polygamy in America and abroad. LOL! You live in a shell.

[Africanchristian]

"There are many websites "

One of the mothers of Islamic Indoctrination.

I caught you out as a website copy&paster.

Please list the websites, kindly stop being a middle man(or fake gal) who is wasting my time.

If I want a discussin with a website you can be bypassed - I TOO know how to use google.

[Bogusgal]

Aww..Don't be sad that you are absolutely wrong. You asked for evidence that 2nd samuel 12:8 whether David really married Saul's wives and I gave it to you. Therefore, God sanctioned polygamy! Case closed! You lose. Also, I told you to type in Blaine Robison in Google who give historical eveidence about Polygamy that still exists today!

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal "Don't be sad that you are absolutely wrong. You asked for evidence that 2nd samuel 12:8 whether David really married Saul's wives and I gave it to you."

You never did.

God gave David the things that belonged to Saul and they because David's possession! The Bible mentions David's wives and the list does not coincide with that of Saul's wives.

As I pointed out to you ANYWAY, King David is not an example to follow vis a vis marriage.

[Bogusgal]

So, you see that I showed you some evidence where David married Saul's wives and they were given to him by God. Ahinoam in 1 Samuel 25:43; 14:50; 2nd Sam. 12:8. God sanctioned it! You are responding with ignorance based on a false and evil Church tradition from the Roman Catholic church of Mandatory marriage. They tried to takem polygamy from Christians in the 1500s by killing them. Nuns wear wedding rings, so how many nuns is Jesus marrying? Lol! Christian and Jews will reclaim polygamy again!

[Africanchristian]

David married Saul's wives and they were given to him by God. Ahinoam in 1 Samuel 25:43; 14:50; 2nd Sam. 12:8.

This is a crude form of deceit.

Saul's wife is called Ahinoam daughter of Ahimaaz.

David's wife is called Ahinoam of Jezreel.

"You are responding with ignorance based on a false and evil Church tradition from the Roman Catholic church of Mandatory marriage."

Baseless ramblings from a person who has persistently being deceitful!

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal

"Nuns wear wedding rings, so how many nuns is Jesus marrying?

Foolish question from someone who just said Jesus never married!

Lol! Christian and Jews will reclaim polygamy again!

How can one RECLAIM something that was never removed?

You justifiably called yourself bogus!

[Africanchristian]

You had said "In those Jesus' day polygyny was very popular in Palestine."

There is no evidence that it was POPULAR!!!

There is no denying that it was taking place.

[Bogusgal]

It was very popular so much that it was common. And there is evidence, you just don't haven't read about it yet. It is like you are saying, "There is no such thing as a blue cat," when I've seen one already. Did you even read the article by Blaine Robison?

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal "There is no such thing as a blue cat," when I've seen one already."

Does that imply that blue cats are popular?

Additionally, all sorts of people live in Palestine. I was asserting that there is no evidence that polygamy was popular amongst practicing Jews.

I did not read the article.

[Bogusgal]

Then read the dag on article and you will see that polygamy was popular at the time of Jesus, and/or that is was a common practice! Stop asserting what you don't know. You haven't proven that polygamy was condemned by God either. All you are doing is making claims that don't exist, regardless of your interpretation of David.

[Harzburgitic]

you asked me how popular polygamy was amongst Jews, so as to prove that if they didn't do it then they were right. You are guilty of judging right and wrong based on popularity. Even if absolutely no christian or jew practiced that would not make it wrong.

[Africanchristian]

Harzburgitic

"you asked me how popular polygamy was amongst Jews"

Please quote me.

[Harzburgitic]

Sure here is your exact words cut and pasted.

"How many practicing Jews have you met who have more than one wife???!!"  then you said in contradition of that.... "Practicing Christians do not determine the rightness of something by the level of it's poupularity!" Africanchristian Are you so engrossed in your orgasm of philosophical ejaculate that you are not concerned about getting caught verbally masturbating on the tablet of truth?

[Africanchristian]

Harzburgitic "You are guilty of judging right and wrong based on popularity. "

No evidence for this.

"you asked me how popular polygamy was amongst Jews"

I never did - you made this up!!!

Earlier I said "Jews 'follow' Moses - not Abraham, Solomon etc. How many practicing Jews have you met who have more than one wife??!!"

I was showing that practising Jews who follow the Torah(Laws of Moses)do not have more than one wife at a time. Nothing to do with POPULARITY but following 'Moses' or not.

[Africanchristian]

Harzburgitic

"..in your orgasm..." "..ejaculate..."

"...masturbating..."

Something sexual was clearly taking place when you posted the above comment to me. I hope you have recovered from it. Nevertheless, I want you to CLEARLY understand that :-

1. I'm a 'straight' man!

2. I'm a happily married man.

THEREFORE please control yourself when you discuss with me or kindly go to a porno website!!!

[Africanchristian]

Harzburgitic "You are guilty of judging right and wrong based on popularity. "

No evidence for this.

"you asked me how popular polygamy was amongst Jews"

I never did - you made this up!!!

Earlier I said "Jews 'follow' Moses - not Abraham, Solomon etc. How many practicing Jews have you met who have more than one wife??!!"

I was showing that Jews who practice follow the Torah (Laws of Moses)do not have more than one wife at a time. Nothing to do with POPULARITY but following 'Moses' or not.

[Africanchristian]

"You are guilty of judging right and wrong based on popularity.

I responded to this error in another post.

"Even if absolutely no christian or jew practiced that would not make it wrong."

It would certainly make it wrong for Christians since there would be no historical precedence i.e it is something that Christians do not do.

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal

"the God of the Bible even featured Himself in an allegorical way having two wives in Ezekiel 23:1-4. "

Fine! Therefore polygamy should be practiced allegorically!

"Mandatory monogamy is evil."

This is your MERE (bogus) opinion!

Also regarding you (1). Each Christian is built on Jesus Christ AND the apostles' teachings.

These clearly teach 1 man 1 woamn marriage!

[Bogusgal]

The very fact that God had two wives and portrayed Himself Holy and married with two women is a testimony that He sees polygamy as a holy an consecrated thing. And the Book og Genesis does not teach one man and ONLY one woman; but it teaches a man and his wife. Moses who wrote this had two wives named Tharbis and Zipporah; so your interpretation of Genesis is wrong and very modern, and Anti-Jewish/Semitic. Look at the Hebrew for adultery, not your pagan Greco-Romanized dictionary.

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal "The very fact that God had two wives and portrayed Himself Holy and married with two women"

I've tried to avoid accusing you of lying but there is no better word to describe your statement.

Please CLEARLY indicate the verses where God married two women!

[Bogusgal]

For The New Covenant God is a husband with many wives: Jeremiah 31:31-32 "I was a husband to them;" Jeremiah 3:6-14(two wives: Israel and Judah).

(2)Ezekiel 23:1-4 (Two more wives: Samaria and Jerusalem

(3) 4 wives total so far and ther is more!

Type in Blaine Robinson. He shows you that Polygamy was practiced by Christians until the Roman Catholic Church startd to kill them in the 1500s, yet other Protestant still promoted it.

[Africanchristian]

You were asserting that God married female wives.

The allegories that you refer to, show God as married to NATIONS!!!!!!!

"I was a husband to them;" Jeremiah 3:6-14(two wives: Israel and Judah).

(2)Ezekiel 23:1-4 (Two more wives: Samaria and Jerusalem

(3) 4 wives total so far and ther is more"

WRONG!

Israel EQUATES TO Samaria & Judah EQUATES TO Jerusalem.

[Bogusgal]

God was married to Israel and all of the cities and its parts are his wives! Of course there are not literal dieties or gods who are women. that is besides the point. You are ignoring the issue. God presented Himself as a Polygamist! God NEVER presented Himself as a Satanist! Polygamy must be Holy if God is Holy. It is a marriage option. We have even already established that God gave David His wives, sanctioning polygamy! You have no argument anymore. Lol!

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal

"You are ignoring the issue. God presented Himself as a Polygamist! "

You failed to see the obvious! God presented Himself as Omnipotent/The Sovereign! No human can emulate him saying God did xyz so can I.

It is humans who can be polygamist, Satanist,...

"We have even already established that God gave David His wives"

We saw that God gave David Saul's wives! You failed to provide evidence of where the names of Saul's wives & David's wives coincide.

[Bogusgal]

I GAVE YOU NAMES ALREADY!!! Christians are called to imitate God, so we can expressed that in both monogamy and polygamy! David married Ahinoam (Saul's wife) in 1 Samuel 25:43;1 Sam 14:50; 2nd Samuel 12:8. May God open your eyes to see. Good luck! God Bless you! I must go! READ THE ARTICLE BY BLAINE ROBISON (M.A., MRE). Those who condemn God's polygamy are against God! I showed you that Moses had two wives at the same time too. Good luck!

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal "I GAVE YOU NAMES ALREADY!!"

you are prevaricating!

You DID NOT provide evidence of where the names of Saul's wives & David's wives coincide.

You failed to provide evidence that Saul's wives are called David's wives.

You failed to realise that Saul was old enough to be David's Dad, why should David MARRY Saul's wives??

"May God open your eyes to see."

I was blind once but I see clearly now because of Jesus Christ the great healer!!

"Good luck"

No thanks! YHWH is sufficient 4 me.

[Bogusgal]

"I gave you your master Saul's house and his wives. I gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if this weren't enough, I would have given you even more" (2 Samuel 12:8). This is sufficient EVIDENCE that you chose to ignore. Plus 1 Samuel 25:43;1 Sam 14:50 where David's and Saul's wife are the SAME. It doesn't matter if Saul was old enough to be David's dad. It doesn't matter how OLD or YOUNG Saul's wives were. The only thing that matters is that they are caled David's wives!

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal. re "I gave you your master...more" (2 Samuel 12:8).

Yes, God gave the things that belonged to Saul to David. There is no evidence that David had sex with Saul's wives.

You (David) should not have taken the wife that belonged to Uriah - this is the central message that Nathan conveyed to him. But you insist that God was promoting polygamy via Nathan.

You have not provided evidence that David married Saul's wives.

There were two different Ahinoams - as I showed you earlier.

[Bogusgal]

You haven't showed that there are two. It is your theory. I think that they were part of the royal family as a royal marriage, but not neccessarily sex. We still have prophets speaking for God like the prophetess Deborah saying "two wives for every" soldier of God. Thus, the case is the same. God promoted polygamy because polygamy is something God has sanctioned. So, the facts still point to polygamy being not evil, and that you are wrong.

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal "You haven't showed that there are two."

it is you who needed to prove that they were the same, since you brought it up as supporting evidence of David marrying Saul's wife in order to prove you wider point vis a vis polygamy.

"I think that they were part of the royal family as a royal marriage, but not neccessarily sex."

Speculation & conjecture!

"We still have prophets speaking for God"

Kindly name one of these modern-day prophets, please.

[Bogusgal]

You are speculating too. I actually found archealogical and historical evidence that some of Saul's wives became David's. In any case, we can set this one aside since I cannot send you information. And it is not like you would read it anyway, just like you haven't read Blaine Robison's (M.A.; M.R.E.) article on Polygamy.

[Africanchristian]

"like the prophetess Deborah saying "two wives for every" soldier of God"

Kindly indicate the relevant passage(s).

"So, the facts "

Facts are missing from your arguments. So far you have been presenting 'speculation' as 'fact'.

[Bogusgal]

Yeah, there are fact. I quoted the Scripture verse, now why don't you go find it. In fact, why don't you read the article by Blaine Robison, MA, M.R.E. Blaine Robison in his article even talks about this passage. Just type his name in google and he will be at the very top. It is not "so the facts" it is "so the Scriptures" because you can never prove that Polygyny is adultery because of the very definition of the word in the Bible (not your Greco-European pagan dictionary).

[Africanchristian]

"Type in Blaine Robinson. He shows you that Polygamy was practiced by Christians until the Roman Catholic Church startd to kill them in the 1500s, yet other Protestant still promoted it. "

Please define "Christians".

[Bogusgal]

How about you just read the article an you will know what type of "Christians" I am talking about. Salvation is only found in the blood of Jesus. Martin Luther was a Christian, so was Josephus, so was many many others. Read it.. and the truth will set you free from all of this bickery against God's sanctioned marriage of both monogamy and polygamy that have been practice by Christians during the Apostle's time up to today! (not Mormons or other cults!)

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal "Martin Luther was a Christian, so was Josephus,"

You again reveal your ignorance!

[Bogusgal]

Josephus believeed in Jesus. You are the ignorant one.

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal "Josephus believeed in Jesus. You are the ignorant one"

You HAD SAD that Josephus was a Christian. Now you say that he believed in Jesus. Practicing Muslims 'believe' in Jesus but are not Christians.

[Bogusgal]

Yeah, read his works. Josephus became a believer in Jesus before he died. Read Antiquities 18.3.3, "...Jesus, a wise man, IF IT BE LAWFUL TO CALL HIM A MAN...HE WAS THE CHRIST....he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct to this day." What is the Gospel in 1st Corinthians 15? What did Josephus write? He was a Christian!

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal "Yeah, read his works"

I read enough in the past.

"Read Antiquities 18.3.3, "

These passages do not show that he became a Christian. Neither he, nor any of his contemporaries mention that he became a Christian. However a 21st century Bogus Gal asserts that he became a Christian.

[Bogusgal]

He doesn't have to specifically say, "Hey everybody, I am a Christian!" Being a "Christian" is an affirmation belief in the gospel that (1) Jesus died, (2) was buried, 

(3) and rose again according to Paul in 1st Corinthians 15. If a man says that Jesus "WAS THE CHRIST" ot "He was the Messiah" it means that the believe who Jesus was! Josephus says this and also says "he appeared to them alive again the third day." What more proof do you need? That is a believer of Jesus the Messiah (Christ).

[Bogusgal]

It;s been a few days. Did you read that scholarly article it yet?

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal Further to my last comment:

1. You were wrong to mention 4 'wives' since Samaria=Israel & Jerusalem=JUdah.

2. Judah & Israel used to be one. It was God who broke them into two.

Therefore if you want to see this as an example of polygamy, then a polygamist must marry the two halves of a woman that HE divided into two!

[Bogusgal]

It doesn't matter. God married two different wives, not one. God is a holy polygamist. God is also married to each individual city in Israel, Judah, Samaria, Jordan, Caesaria, etc.

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal. Even if teh Omnipotent one did marry nations, towns, people etc this is not a precedent for humans.

[Bogusgal]

God is not evil. God wouldn't appear as Satan or present Himself as the Devil because He is Holy. Hod presented Himself as a Soveriegn Polygamist because polygamy is not evil.

[Bogusgal]

Also, our God defines SIN, He guides us by commands and precepts, prohibitions, to show love, and dedication; He uses the marriage figure to embrace a called out people; thus a double emphasis, He made laws for plural family and embraced it to show the role of a husband! If God marrying is not a precedent for humans, we should thus abstain because polygyny is only a form of marriage, right?

Polygyny and/or monogamy with the husband as the spiritual head is holy in the presence of God sight.

[Harzburgitic]

The creator commanded Abraham to take Hagar as a wife as well as Sarah. So the Bible is a Liar? Exodus 21:10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. 2 Samuel 12:8 "And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things." God Gave David Multiple wives.Bible is a liar huh?

[Africanchristian]

Harzburgitic "The creator commanded Abraham to take Hagar as a wife as well as Sarah"

Please provide evidence for this. If you do not then you lie against the Creator of all things!!

[Bogusgal]

Hazburgitic may have been wrong about Abraham and Hagar, but that is not the case. God doesn't change his definitions, nor did Jesus, about what is adultery. 2nd Sam.12:7-8 shows that God gave David his wives just like I said: "And I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more." Obviously polygyny is not adultery. Moses even had two wives: Tharbis and Zipporah!

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal "Moses even had two wives: Tharbis and Zipporah! "

Misleading/deceitful statement!! It gives the impression that Moses had 2 wives concurrently!

1. There is no Biblical evidence that Moses had two wives.

2. Even IF (BIG IF) Moses had a wife whilst living in Egypt, the Bible teaches that he never left Egypt with her when he first left. We have no idea as to her fate.

10 years later when he went back as a prophet, he had only one wife Zipporah!

[Bogusgal]

1st:David married Saul's wives in 2nd Samuel 12:8. Their names are even the same. You must admit that. 2ND: There is historical evidence that Moses was Married to women, and tharbis and Zipporah lived with him together after he freed the Israelites!

1) Zipporah: Exodus 2:15-16,21 and Exodus 18:1-6 (Zipporah was "Abrahamic", who was "Shemitic"Genesis 10:1; 11:11-27)

2) Ethiopian woman (Tharbis): Numbers 12:1(-15),Cushite woman,who was "Hamitic"-Genesis 10:1,6.

[Bogusgal]

As to the TIMING: Yes, Moses was married at the SAME TIME: LOOK!

Moses' marriage to the Ethiopian woman can be determined by Numbers 33:1-49,17 and 11:35 with 12:16 which "surrounds" the story about Moses marrying the Ethiopian woman in Numbers 12:1-15. This is clearly much later than the time when Moses married Zipporah in Exodus 2:15,22. Therefore, the Shemitic/Abrahamic Midianitess Zipporah could not possibly be the Hamitic/non-Abrahamic "Ethiopian woman". They both were alive!

[Africanchristian]

I popped your comments below into google and got an EXACT match..

"Moses marrying the Ethiopian woman in Numbers 12:1-15. This is clearly much later than the time when Moses married Zipporah in Exodus 2:15,22. Therefore, the Shemitic/Abrahamic Midianitess Zipporah could not possibly be the Hamitic/non-Abrahamic "Ethiopian woman". They both were alive"

You are clearly another copy & paster - bogus!

I do not discuss with websites.

[Bogusgal]

Obviously, I found research, and I am passing it along: but there is your evidence that Moses did have two wives at the same time. Lol! To Tharbis (The Ethopian woman, who is a Hamite; Antiquities of the Jews, Book 2 chapter 10.1-2 and Numbers 12,and to Zipporah (A Shemite)! At the same time. The burden of proof lies on you. I gave you the research I have found and you can see it for yourself because you cannot post websites on here.

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal. You are way OFF AGAIN!

"LOOK!"

I did and discovered that there is no reference to Ethiopia or Ethiopian! You are not telling the truth, AGAIN!

Mose's wife is called Cushite by Moses sister.

In Habakkuk 3:7 (NIV) Cushan equates to Midian.

"....This is clearly much later than the time when Moses married Zipporah..."

This contradicts Josephus (the source of informations about 'tharbis'. Josephus calims that Moses Maried Tarbis LONG before he married Zipporah!

[Bogusgal]

No, those are two different groups that you are reading somehow as one. Maybe you should get your eyes checked! Cush was the first oppressor (Jud 3:8, 10; Othniel made them free), and Midian is the other one (Jud 6:1-7:25), who Gidean freed. Oh.. and Gideon had many wives too just like Moses. Both Gideon and Moses were righteous men of God, just like David. Oh, and God had many wives too (figuratively). I'll follow God's holy example and Moses' and Gideons.

[Africanchristian]

40 years later when he went back as a prophet, he had only one wife Zipporah!

[Harzburgitic]

Genesis Chapter 16 verse 3 "And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be HIS WIFE.!" (lets see you twist that) go read your bible.

Genesis 25:1 "Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah."

1 Chronicles 1:32 "The sons of Keturah, Abraham's concubine."

[Africanchristian]

You proved that you lied against the Creator in a very blatant way!

[Africanchristian]

In case you failed to see the obvious (In mys discussions with them - I've discovered that Many Muslims faile to see the obvious)...

"Sarai...took Hagar..and gave her to her husband Abram to be HIS WIFE.

Are you equating the Creator to Sarai???!!!!

[Harzburgitic]

What you fail to realise is what abraham acted upon Gods command otherwise he'd be acting upon the devil's. You want to see it this way "GOD said this God said that" Abraham was always obeying Gods command. Isn't the Bible suposed to be God's Word?? Do you think Abraham would do something if He did not see it as Gods command? All servants Who obey God are doing the will and command of God otherwise it is the command of the devil. Now you choose, it was God who commanded Him or it was the Devil?

[Africanchristian]

Harzburgitic "What you fail to realise is what abraham acted upon Gods command"

No evidence for this re having sex with Hagar.

"otherwise he'd be acting upon the devil's. "

Not true. He was acting in response to pressure from his wife Sarai. BLATANTLY obvious!

"Abraham was always obeying Gods command. "

The evidence does not support "always".

"Do you think Abraham would do something if He did not see it as Gods command" yes I do!

"Who obey God" - this phrase is vital

[MoslimDude]

"what God has joined together, let no man put asunder" a ruling against polygamy? is NOT a ruling against polygamy. A Christian can mary a 1000 times and would be in total agreement with the Bible. The Holy Quran however, has put stringent conditions and limits on polygamy. The only book that says "marry only one" is the holy Quran. Peace.

[Africanchristian]

MoslimDude "A Christian can mary a 1000 times and would be in total agreement with the Bible. "

You made this up!

Please provide the Bible references that you are referring to.

"The Holy Quran however, has put stringent conditions and limits on polygamy."

Not true. Please indicate the Qur'anic verses.

"The only book that says "marry only one" is the holy Quran. Peace. "

Again this is an untruth. Please provide the scriptural references.

[Harzburgitic]

4:3....... Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then marry only one or that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. Quran 4:3 Quran 24:32 Marry those among you who are single, or the virtuous ones among yourselves, male or female:.........

and now will you please provide the biblical verses that contain the words "marry only one" please? Good luck!

[Africanchristian]

You posted this verse to show the "stringent conditions".

It says 'if YOU fear....' The test is whether the man 'feras...' or not. What is stringent about that???!???

If the man does not 'fear..' them he can have up to 4 wives AS WELL AS what his right hand posseses (i.e slave women/concubines.

What is the limit on the number of captive women he can have?

"..biblical verses that contain the words "marry only one"

[Harzburgitic]

The point is that the bible is far less stringent than that.U are proving my point. U can have more than 4 in the bible. Abraham had 2 (mentioned). You act as if Solomon did not have many wives. If we were to go by example Jesus never married. Israel began with 1 man and 4 women. Jacob + Leah, Zilpah (Leahs servant) Racheal, and Bilhah(Racheals servant). Leah had 6 children and the rest had 2 each. But according to u the Father of Israel committed a gross sin. Sorry U r the arrogant one not me

[Africanchristian]

"The point is that the bible is far less stringent than that.U are proving my point. "

You only prove lack of understanding of the Bible as shown by your next points..

Remember this:-

1. Christians follow Jesus Christ and the Apostles teachings as Commanded by Jesus Christ.

2. Jews 'follow' Moses - not Abraham, Solomon etc. How many practicing Jews have you met who have more than one wife???!!

3. Israel asked for 1 wife- his father in law CAUSED him to have more than 1.

[Africanchristian]

"But according to u the Father of Israel committed a gross sin. "

Please provide evidence that supports this otherhwise you lied agianst me!

[Africanchristian]

"If we were to go by example Jesus never married..etc" (perhaps you see Jacob as example for a Christian)

Has it never occurred to you that Jesus gave the world APOSTLES.

Read Ephesians Chapter 2.

Each Christian is built on Jesus Christ and the Apostles' teachings!!

We see from the Apostles' teaching that a Christian man should marry only one woman AND a Christian man MUST love his wife MORE than he loves himself AND treat her with respect.

Ask and I will show you the verses.

[Harzburgitic]

No it say OR THAT your right hands possess I.e. MARRY those whom your right hands posess Don't twist it's undignified. Did you see the words AS WELL AS in the verse I quoted???

[Harzburgitic]

NO you weasle I posted it to show that you knew nothing when you said that The Holy Qur'an does not contain the command "MARRY ONLY ONE" I posted it to prove you wrong and I did theres the verse now stop lying to yourself and admit it's there. There is no more explicit a statement than that and you know what the bible does not have the phrase in it "Marry only one" In fact the Quran limited the number down to four. Stop weasling!

[Africanchristian]

""..biblical verses that contain the words "marry only one" "

It is arrogant to expect YHWH (the greatest teacher) to be bound by YOUR phrase. Jesus taught that in marriage a man will be joined to his wife and the 2 become 1.

Two becoming 1, LIMITS the number of partners to 2. The result will be a oneness that has a divine stamp of MUST NOT BE BROKEN.

But this oneness will have to be broken before the man (or woman) can join to another.

Matthew 19:4-6

[Bogusgal]

The bible doesn't say, "marry ONLY one." You made that up!

It says, "the two become one flesh," which means the two will have sexual intercourse. A husband can be married to one wife and be one flesh with her. A husband can be married to a second wife and she is one flesh with him. They all are one flesh in him separately. So, a husband can be joined to diferent wives and become one flesh with each of them. You aregument is silly. Matthew 19 does not condemn polygamy.

[Africanchristian]

Bogusgal The level of untruths and misrepresentation is becoming annoying!

You apparently quote me with your

The bible doesn't say, "marry ONLY one." You made that up!

Please indicate where you are quoting from!

[Bogusgal]

You said: "..biblical verses that contain the words "marry only one" .. but there is no Scripture whatsoever that says "marry only one!" You are making that up!

[Bogusgal]

Sorry, that was "Harzburgitic" who said "marry only one;" but you are saying that a man can one marry ONLY one woman, anyway, so it doesn't matter! Nowhere does the Bible said that a man can marry ONLY one woman.