There is no indication to us that the thieves on the cross were not baptized, and at the time they were still under the old Law when baptism was not yet required for salvation. Thus the new law was not established until after Christ died, and the scripture wasn’t fulfilled until his resurrection 3 days later, which proved he was the Christ.
@lamj00 in Revelation 6 vs 10-11 there is. What im suggesting is that man has hijacked the church with business models and committees. We have put to many of man's tradition into the church. Im saying that the church will be pefected as a body in heaven
Preach it :) Amen, don't be discouraged by other people. Thank you for this video. It helps others understand. I am so happy that I can use this as a way to get the true word out to people online.
And when churches are mentioned it refers to the Churches of Christ that where there at that time. Where? Church of Christ at Rome, Corinth, Ga-la'-tia, Eph'-esus, Phil-lip'pi, Co-los'se, Thessalonica. Even today, the Church of Christ is alive and well, Jesus died for our sins and to establish his own church, no other church is necessary, he did not die a 1000 times to establish a 1000 different churches or forms of belief or doctrine.
In response to the rock of peter. Matthew 16:18 Upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. It being singular meaning only one. And if Christ established his own church which by the way still exists today where is there room for any other. Besides where is catholic in the bible anyway? Where is apostolic in the bible? I assure you they are not there. Romans16:16 Salute one another with as holy kiss the Churches of Christ salute you.
Lmbo...so does that mean that you have no answer to the apostles being baptized in the name of Jesus. These are the ORIGINAL leaders of the New Testament church. Why did it take you so long to respond....with no answer? Lol...try again. This proves my point. Be blessed brother.
@toyghee , you have to understand that Jesus didn't say to Peter, "you will build my Church." What Jesus meant was,"It is the Holy Spirit, the power of God, that is building the Holy Church of God. So what church that which you're referring to?
@ccarter010 If you say, that you have no sin, then you are calling God as a liar. And because of our sins, God send his son to show us the way to inherit his kingdom. He established one church which is the bulwark and pillar of his word of the truth and life. "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body - Jews or Greeks, slaves or free - and all were made to drink of one Spirit."[1cor. 12:13] The devil is evil not by condition, but by choice. You also can make a choice without choosing.
There is no salvation on the teaching of the Minister Fred Williams for the whole humanity of the world, but the salvation of the whole humanity can be found in the Church from which Jesus - the son of God, established it on the rock of Peter, which is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Wow, you completely contradicted yourself. You said we have to look at the "subject" right? In verse 1 or Romans 10, Paul makes it clear that he desired that the Jews would be saved. This was no longer addressed to those that already believed. It was showing the error in the way of the Jews. They were trying to make themselves right through works instead of through Christ. That is THE SAME thing we do when we say salvation comes through baptism... NO salvation came through Christ and Him ONLY!
An active Spirit, not one that is dormant. You say providence i say the Holy Spirit provides for us. Now im not evangelical not a Baptist or COC. I have the truth through the Word guided with the Holy Spirit. God is an emotion God is Love.That kinda answers what love is...but what is God..can we fathom knowledge without end...omni present..ect. ect. I think there is fatal mistakes by certain movements within all churches.. people want to be the only ones to be right, Baptist,CoC..ect ect
People make the Bible to confusing. It is complex with simplicity, do you see the effects of nature In e.x the wind sure you can scientifically explain all day what it is and never have a visual tangible picture for what it is. Love, when you love someone you can talk about it all day and never get to the actual definition it is indescribable at its core meaning. God is to be awed He is majestic and gave us the Word and Spirit to guide us. If it were up to our minds we would be in sin always.
well let me clarify the Church is here being assembled then when we leave here hopefully Heaven is where we will forever be. Isnt there a song this world is not my home im just a passing through.. We all think about going to Heaven and being amongst the presence of the Almighty God. It makes sense for the perfection to be with him in Heaven and the not complete here on earth. I believe in Water Baptism and I believe in letting God into your heart. I believe in the Holy Spirit lives in us. Active
The niv is nissing 26 verses that the king james has and all 26 have something to do with the blood.the cofc says that they were reffered to in romans 16:16 and that the church had come to a degrigated state in 1833 and had to be reformed.If that is the case, they r the ones that had to be reformed dummies.Alexander campbell started the cofc in 1833 and he was the same guy who attempted to start what is known as the mormon church and that is why the cofc and the mormon churches r so similar.
The True Church is in Heaven not on earth assembled in buildings. It is made up of souls that have been faithful. From many different denominations and non-denominations. From those who accept the teaching of Jesus. Love.
@traggicshame If the church is in heaven how come the Apostle Paul writes to the church at Corinth- calling them the church of God(1Corinthians 1:2,- Paul writes to Philemon 1:1-2 ; grace to you and to the church that meets in your home. The bible is showing that the church is here on earth back then and now.
@godperspective because what we have here is only in part, what is perfected is when the body is assembled in heaven. Of course he called them the Church of God. Because its part of the assembly.. but not completely whole until all things are finished.
@godperspective because what we have here is only in part, what is perfected is when the body is assembled in heaven. Of course he called them the Church of God. Because its part of the assembly.. but the Church is not completely whole until all things are finished.
@godsperspective because what we have here is only in part, what is perfected is when the body is assembled in heaven. Of course he called them the Church of God. Because its part of the assembly, but the Church is not completely whole until all things are finished.
@SG02JATT Yeah, well, it isn't about "morals" - it's about what you KNOW. And you say you KNOW there is no God. But you don't "KNOW" that - you can't prove it; therefore, in that respect, you are similar to Voltaire. What's worse is that 400 years from now, the Bible will be unchanged, but your future atheists will say you are morally dispicable, unreliable, illogical, etc., so since they presumably will be SMARTER, let's just say that now and get it over with.
@SG02JATT "Your religion has a couple of generations left before logic and reasoning destroys it all." That prediction has been made MANY times - I'm sure it was made in the 1800's and early 1900's. Well? EVERY time the prediction has been made, it has utterly failed. Yet, "this time it will be different." That's poor reasoning and illogical. Shoot, if that prediction were made in 1960, it would have ALREADY FAILED.
@SG02JATT "84 percent of sweeden is agnostic or atheist. Places where education is thriving is where religion is failing. Can you see the correlation?" Nope, I don't see it. Sweden does have an advantage, educationally, because it's a tad easier to "educate" a 100% Caucasian population. LOGIC, however, is a little different than "education", isn't it? And LOGIC will at least tell you that there is NO WAY your body just "came about" by chance.
@SG02JATT "Places where education is thriving is where religion is failing." Best I can recall, the communist U. S.S.R. was pretty big on atheism, and as of the moment, the whole system - atheism included - just doesn't appear very intelligent.
@godperspective because what we have here is only in part, what is perfected is when the body is assembled in heaven. Of course he called them the Church of God. Because its part of the assembly.. but not completely whole until all things are finished.
@godsperspective because what we have here is only in part, what is perfected is when the body is assembled in heaven. Of course he called them the Church of God. Because its part of the assembly, but the Church is not completely whole until all things are finished.
The True Church is in Heaven not on earth assembled in buildings. It is made up of souls that have been faithful. From many different denominations and non-denominations. From those who accept the teaching of Jesus. Love.
THIS IS A MAN MADE RELIGEON ,,, GOD CANT HAVE A MOTHER CAN YOU NOT SEE IT? WORSHIP ONLY TRUTH GOD HIS NAME ALLAH c.c HIS MY LORD AND YOUR LORD. ALLAH HU AKBAR ( ALLAH IS THE GREATES )
Mr. Fred Williams, You are not speaking the truth, why? you don't have the spirit of Truth in Yourself. How can you repent your sin by yourself? The office of binding and loosing was given to the Catholic church, by Jesus, and not your church. So what else can you do, without the Holy Catholic Church? Are trying to find your way without Jesus? Is that what you really want? Then go for it.
@valio2750 There is no such thing as a Catholic Church in the word of God. You are being mislead. The body of Christ ( the church of Christ) I never saw catholic.
@10COC, you can't find it, because you're a new arrival. If you want to know the truth, just follow what is in your heart and do more diggings, I'll bet you, you will find it at the end. And the truth will set you free. And the Catholic Church is the one and only church which Jesus Christ is building it on the rock of Peter. But what about the other "christian churches" around the world? And my answer is, - those are the churches started by the hatred of man against Jesus Christ, the son of God.
1 Peter 3:21 explains that it s not the removal of dirt from the body in baptism that saves you, but a good conscience. In other words, what do you believe by faith in your heart? I have a question, can you show me where, after Jesus was raised, the disciples were baptized by water?
@toyghee , Don't interpret the word of God with a corruptible mind, because you will miss its true meaning. But let the holy spirit of God reveal it to you, by your prayer.
@godsperspective, god is limited my friend. he is created by the imaginations of our minds. case in point, if you are trapped underneath rubble in an earthquake getting the life crushed out of you, there is nothing the so called almighty god can do to save you, even if you pray with all your heart. believe that one.
Jesus is a dead hippie on a stick! Sad adherence to a long dead palestinian zealot criminal put to death for rebellion against Roman rule. If he ever existed at all. Christianity is a Myth. No more, no less.Get over this sad superstition of Zombies returning to life and thinking your gonna fly up to live with a make-believe God in the sky where you have cookies and treats or what the hell ever it is you myth lovers fantasize about, and get a life in the real world.
Matthew 28:18-20 IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE VERSES...IT'S THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST IN A NUTSHELL...THANKS FOR WHAT YOU DO BRO, MUCH LOVE AND RESPECT TO YA!!
Matthew 28:18-20 (King James Version) 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Doesn't seem like there is a whole lot to debate....
If you study the original dialects of the Bible (Greek, Hebrew, Latin-Arabic) you will not see the later park of Mark 16 in there. A Roman Catholic scholar made up this part of the scripture.
Not exactly. Mark 16:16 is the only verse in the Bible which condemns man for not being baptized. Again, it is not original and is made up by the ideas and concepts of a scholar.
ROMANS 8:1 mentions there is no condemnation in Christ. ROMANS 6:3, GALATIANS 3:27 tells us how on gets into Christ. It is in baptism, therefore if one is not baptized into Christ that person stands condemned. So MARK 16:16 is correct and inspired by GOD.
If that is true, Paul contradicts himself in Romans 9. Paul corrected Peter on his belief in the salvation plan and Peter also saw that baptism wasn't necessary in his experience with Cornelius.
This was after Peter realized that they were already saved. In other words, they believed and were filled with the Holy Ghost before they were baptized. Peter was asking "Since they are saved, can anyone deny them baptism?". Brothers and sisters, I am not saying that baptism isn't important, it is very much so. I'm just saying that you can't send a person to hell for not being dipped in water. It's a symbol required by God to show the world that you have made a change.
@toyghee careful, peter said "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?" he did not say, "since they are saved, who are we to forbid baptism?" dont change gods word. the pouring out of the spirit was for signs for the jews that the gentiles were also included in the plan of salvation, later on in acts, the former jewish christians persecuted peter for baptizing cornelious for being a gentile, the pouring out was for signs.
Can you explain to why these verses in the latter part of Mark 16 were added to the Bible? I would think that, if it were inspired by God and said at the same time, that it would be written and given at the same time as the previous verses. Jesus did EVERYTHING necessary for man to be saved other than believe and have faith. He gives us that choice. He will not put a man's salvation in another man/woman's hands by baptizing you. It's an important symbol to show the world that you have changed.
Preach on, brother! I wished everyone studied the Bible, because they would realize that it is all about GOD and not our own opinions. Baptists and others don't want to be inconvenienced with being buried in the waters of baptism through our LORD and SAVIOR Jesus the Christ. They need to learn that it doesn't matter how they feel or what they think. They need to do what the LORD wants.
In Genesis, the writer talks about "In the beginning", how does the writer know what took place in the beginning when he was not even there. It seems to be a fabricated story.
In 2Peter 1:19-20, it talks about men being led by the HOLY SPIRIT and not having there own interpretation. The HOLY SPIRIT was there in the beginning, therefore the writer of Genesis was being led by the HOLY SPIRIT in writing what happened in the beginning.
@godsperspective, if the writer is led by the holy spirit, then the chronology should be correct. how can trees be created before the sun? does not trees need the sun to survive. if there is no sun would not everything freeze becuse there is no heat in the coldness of space? if the holy spirit guides men into truth, then why is this chronologically wrong.
You are limiting the power of GOD. He can do whatever He wants. God is the one who has made the natural laws, therefore since He is the creator these laws He is not bound to them.
Having been a preacher in the church of Christ for 20 years I'm well familar with these arguments. However, well intended, there is some untentional error being preached regarding salvation. The only time the direct question is asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" The answer was "Believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household." Acts 16 In response to their salvation, they were baptized.
In Acts 10, Peter preached to Cornelius and his household, "...whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins." They accepted that message and were filled with the Holy Spirit and they were, "speaking in tongues and magnifying God..." When Peter saw this, he saw that they had received the same gifts as the apostles and said, whey shouldn't they be baptized? You are not filled with the Holy Spirit unless you are already saved! Baptism is in response to that salvation!
It's not baptism that saves us but faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ! It's all about Jesus! Is baptism a command, Yes! Just as the Lord's Supper is. Does baptism represent our salvation, yes! I Pt 3 says that "baptism now saves us...."but Peter is quick to point out it's not about the removal of dirt but a clear conscience. In fact it was actually the ark that saved Noah and his family not the water.
Mark 16:16 tells us that NOT believing will condemned us. That means that BELIEVING justifies us in the sight of God (Romans 5:1)! Being baptized into Christ in Galatians is the same as 1st Cor. 12:13. Being baptized into Christ's death in Romans 6 is referring to water baptism, which doesn't save.
When this guy refferes to Romans 10:9 he tries to disfuse it's power.He says we need to see who was talking and who they were talking to.Hello, it's many books written to a lot of people but given to us to apply to our lives.None of it was written to me nor u but we apply it.You pick and choose, but you will not be able to choose your consequences for attempting to mislead so many people!
You say he 'disfuse it's power', how so? He is specifically saying who Paul is talking to, you said that we apply it to our lives, if that's the case, why don't you apply every single thing in the Bible to your life? I am certain you only want to apply what is convenient to you. To please God, you have to worship according to his command in the Bible, maybe you are the one misleading everybody.
The cofc says that if a MAN sets up a church, that church is not of God.However, the cofc was started by Alexander Campbell who was a baptist MAN, by the way who was never baptised in the cofc.According to their own teachimg he was not saved.He was a man so the cofc was started by a man so it is just as wrong and unGodly.
Those people from certain churches of Christ that focus on bashing other religions out of arrogance are in the wrong. Keep in mind, the Church of Christ was established in the New Testament, however the churches that follow Campbell that use the Church of Christ name are just like any other denomination, Campbell only tried to restore baptists, but there were Churches of Christ established in the world that truly follow God's commands, however the denominational world is still misleading people
In the words of Jesus "I'm going to create man and woman with original sin. Then I'm going to impregnate a woman with myself as her child, so that I can be born. Once alive, I will kill myself as a sacrifice to myself to save you from the sin I originally condemned you to Ta Dah!"
In blasphemy I shall rise. For the delights of hell are to come. Father Satan, our almighty god. Together we are as one in darkness. To battle by the side of the devil. To hear his victorious roars across the land. To seize hordes of religious sheep. Open wide the gates to the valley of twilight. Standing above is our master. Cowering below are beaten sheep. He breeds panic throughout the masses. Now are the first days for soul eating demons. They will feast upon thy prayers.
other than that, women are not constrained to be completely silent. Seems to me the whole point is that man has a personal responsibility before God, woman man not interfere by placing herself as 'head' over the man by preaching. The man learns from the word of God, or from other men who speak as the oracles of God.
The woman is not commanded to be absolutely silent. She is commanded not to usurp authority over the man. Question: Who has authority over the man? The man is head over the woman even as CHRIST is head over the man. The man is subject to the aurhority of Christ, a woman does not belong between the two. Eve usurped Gods authroity over Adam (who let her do it). Paul is simply saying that Christ is in authority first, over the man, the woman does not belong in the middle by means of preaching
So now you know more than the Apostle Paul (writer of those scriptures) who was inspired and guided by the Holy Spirit? I suspect that you are a follower of Juanita Bynum and Joyce Meyer.
I suspect that you are a follower of any old wind that blows. You make absolutely on sense and your ability to undersand written words seems to be somewhat limited. I am done, no more responses to your deliberate baiting. Find someone else to argue with and pick on. Bye now :o)
Jesus made it simple. If a person wants to know the truth a person must obey Gods word, then they will see for themselves the bible is right, then the truth will set them free(JOHN-8:31-32).
There is no evidence for the bible's truth. If you believe in it, it's through blind faith, which is the willfull abandonment of reason. I'm a man of science. I believe in empiricalism, evidence and testable repeatable results with logical conclusions of the universe based on that. Their is no evidence of anything supernatural (defying the laws of nature). If you believe in the bible you are a wishful thinker who wants to believe in it because you're afraid and weak minded.
Perhaps you should should try some time to compute the mathematical odds of a sun like our producing a solar system like our, producing a planet like our, producing life. You would stand a better chance of winning a lottery with the odds being above 800 million to one. If you believe in testing a theory, then test the time + matter + chance theory like a real mathematician.
You don't seem like a man of science. Your conclusions are based on unproven theories. I suspect that more than likely there is something in your life that is keeping you from searching out the truth. Most people that totally reject salvation are homosexual, and they are not willing to give that up.
There was a time when science 'Knew" the earth was flat, curiously the Bible states in Job 26:7 : He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. Describing the earth as "in space" I hope you will read the Bible, it will give you everything you need to get throught this life and enjoy a Heavenly home. God Bless You..
GO ye therefore and TEACH all nations BAPTISING them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU
People will GO
They will TEACH
because it was commanded
But when it comes to that BAPTISING thing, that is just "a work .. an outward demonstration of an inward commitment, as baptism were a work of man, not of God whose word commands it. Amen, Brother Williams. May those who have ears to hear listen well.
I do not personally contend that baptism is a work My intention was to represent the teaching of those who do Some say that to tell someone they must be baptised is to tell them they are being saved by doing a work.Some describe baptism as "an outward demonstration of an inward commitment" or some variation of that kind of thinking.
If I were to say that baptism is a work then I would say that it is not a work of man to demonstrate anything to men but a work of obedient faith in response to the Word of God, the gospel of our salvation. As James said faith without works is dead. Baptism is much more than that, too, though as it places us 'into Christ'. It is the only means by which we may 'put on Christ'.
Those who hold that baptism is a work of man also pteach that all you need is faith and some variation of the 'sinners prayer' to be saved. A ture understanding of baptism would eliminate that theology
finally, because of the limitations of this forum, I did not clearly make my case that baptism is part of that 'great commission' just as are 'go' and 'teach' but those who say baptism is a work seem not to notice that it is commanded in the very same statement as 'go' and 'teach'. It, too, is an irremovable part of that great comission and should also be obeyed.
Wow, I don't mean to seem harsh and I apologize for intruding into your debate with these guys but just from a outsider looking in, if you honestly think baptism is work, you must be the laziest person on the planet. Well, at least your the best at something, even if that something is doing nothing.
apparently, you do not understand. I do not consider baptism a work, but I said that if I did, then it is a work of God, not of men. It is the act of baptism that places one into Christ. That is Gods doing, not mans
The fact is, you would not believe my work record if I could show it to you, But you seem to have no problem being personally insulting
2nd fact is this has not been a debate only a discussion
3rd fact is I have no intention of being drawen into debate or argument with you
I have already done that. I am a member of the Lords church now for almost 40 years. Why is it that you do not understand what I have said? If baptism is a "work" of God it had ought to be done but some contend it is a work done by men to impress other men. I do not I have tried to make myself clear on that yet you cannot seem to comprehend. I suspect you really are not trying to understand You are just passing away the time of day by being arbitray online with another person. I have had enough
@eustacefan if baptism is required for salvation it takes our focus off of Jesus and puts it more on a ritual. Is that ritual imporant? extremely! But it's Jesus Christ that saves. Focus on a ritual causes us to become very legalistic in our thinking and start excluding others who are Christians but have a different mindset. God bless you!
In Acts-8:34-40-the eunuch is baptized in water. In Acts-10:47-48-Peter baptized Cornelius household in water.1Peter 3:20-21 mentions water concerning baptism. Jesus was baptized in water-,atthew 3:13-16
one thing you all are missing in acts it describes baptism of the holy spirit (which is said to come before baptisim by water) is salvation not baptism by water
How do you know its baptizim in water when it probably means baptizim in the holy spirit which the bible say comes before baptisim in water and baptsim in the holy spirit is salvation not baptisim in water.
...Probably... he just sighted book, chapter, and verse to several conversion accounts. All of which included water baptism... and all you can say is "probably"? Let's look at the book of James. Verses 14-26 repeat over and over that faith alone is dead. At the end of verse 14 James asks if faith alone can save... the answer being no. Another interesting couple of verses are 1 Peter 3: 18-22. The point of the verses shown it verse 21..... (continued in next reply)
"Corresponding to that," (the previous verses speaking of how only eight people were brought safely through the water in the days of Noah) "baptism now saves you- not the removal of dirt from the fresh," ( baptism being a burial, since one has died to sin Romans 6:1-7 ) "but an appeal to God for a good conscience- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ." I would like to thank you for reading this, and to say that talking to you guys has been a welcome change from arguing with atheists.
The old as the hills argument between "in" and "into" Christ is based ONLY on ENGLISH. The Greek doesn't present this silly argument since these prepositions aren't in english. The reference to "into" comes from the preposition "EIS" which has 32 differnt senses (not definitions since prepositions don't have definitions like nouns) . VINES simply translates it as "as regards to" But in this verse we can offer the sense, "in reference to" not "into" Try it and see if that clears it up.
Jesus said, "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned." (Mark 16:16)
The world says, "He who has believed is saved, and then he should be baptized." (The world)
Notice that there is a HUGE difference in the two statements. There is NO WAY to get salvation in between "belief" and "baptism." For me and my house, we will serve the Lord, but we will do it His way and not according to the way of the world.
The debate on instruments is not whether or not the Jews in the OT worshiped God with them. The text indicates they did - apparently with God's approval. The question is: Because they did it, does that mean I must do it too? They offered incense to God. Should I? They lit candles in the temple. Does God want me to light candles? They offered the blood of bulls and goats. Does God want me to offer them too? We should not pick and choose from the OT to justify that which we want to do.
If jesus was here today, the CofC would tell him that he would have to get baptized in their church or he could not go back to heaven.
I grew up in the dry dead cofc and never found nor did i ever meet a real christian in heart. It is a legalistic religeon. Try preaching the word and saving souls wrather than your bully type so called preaching.
The minister at the cofc that i went to, molested his son and did not step down
Jesus was baptized by John "to fulfill all righteousness." However, Jesus would not have to be baptized "for the forgiveness of his sins," because He had no sin of His own. He had to literally die (as a scapegoat) because God "made Him who knew no sin to be sin that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." Granted, there may be legalistic congregations, but just don't follow their example. Spread the love in true Christianity - but not like you're doing. You're no better like this.
You agree that faith comes before baptism. Walter Scott's 5 finger 'plan' of salvation that he worked out in 1827 can be a bit misleading. The Gospel of John was written in the church age (90 AD) and was meant to give eternal life yet never mentions baptism at all. The present-possessive promises of Christ offer eternal life by belief alone. See Jn 3:18; 5:24. Upon believing one has 'no condemnation,' one has 'eternal life'. This is given at the moment of believing, then one is baptized.
If one is "in Christ," hence saved at the point of belief, then how can one later be "baptized into Christ?" If I am already in this room, how then can I be brought into this room? One does not become a child of God until one experiences the new birth. Compare Jesus "born again" (John 3:3) statement with Paul's "newness of life" statement (Romans 6:3-4). "Born again" and "newness of life" mean exactly the same thing. Paul explains how the Christians in Rome received this new life.
One could not repent of his sins until he believed in Jesus. In the same way, one would not be "baptized into Christ" until he believed in Jesus. And one cannot believe in Jesus until he has heard the gospel of Christ. It would be foolish for Jesus to send Paul to baptize a group of people who first needed to hear the gospel, believe it and repent of their sins. This passage does not prove that baptism is not essential; it proves that people must hear and believe the gospel first.
Full4God WE come to the Lord first (Repent) then we are washed of our sins.
Baptism is NOT a requirement for Salvation. Does that mean we should not be Baptized? Of course not. Baptism comes after we are born again (regenerated) in Christ. As we grow in Christ we start to live they way Christ wants us too and to be Bapized is one of them BUT it is NOT a requirement for Salvation...We are saved by having Faith alone..NOT by
1. How do you get salvation before baptism? "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved." (Mark 16:16) It's like saying, "This plus this equals that."
"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." (John 3:36)
2. How do you claim "faith alone?" "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone." (James 2:24) You speak the complete opposite of James. Hmmm...
Ill make a comment in interest to hear what some have to say concerning instrumental music and the old testament teaching. And that is Amos chapter 5 and 6 concerning what "David's" instruments led to and God's comment through Amos. It's interesting to study and I have not given any oppinion for myself, just a comment.
This is scary. In Psalm 150, God instructs us to praise him with every instrument we can find.
In II Tim. 3:16, "all scripture," what scripture do you think it was referring to? There was no New Testament when II Tim. was written. It's referring to "all scripture" in the Old Testament.
Min. Williams -- Where does the Book of Acts, especially the 2nd chapter of Acts, fit into salvation?
I see in Acts, where people were baptized in the name of Jesus and were filled with the Holy Ghost, speaking in other tongues as the Spirit of God gave utterance.
That's how Jesus founded His church. Is it wise to skip over Acts, and jump right into Romans, which was written to people who already had been baptized in Jesus' name and filled with the Holy Ghost?
Studying the Holy Spirit would be the way to answer that question. We see in Acts the when, how, and who shares with believers God's Holy Spirit and what apostles who wrote in letters later believed about God's Holy Spirit in Acts. In the letters these men
elaberate God's Holy Spirit's importance & Hebrews reminds us we need to be made perfect in Spirit, and of the new Covenant in Jeremiah.
I believe Jesus Christ knew what he was talking about in matthew 4:4 when he was tempted of satan, he said "man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God".
Now go read Mark 16:16 and I peter 3:21. We better believe all these verses.
Noone in the N.T. was ever saved w/o water baptism, this is a fact, that should be enough for an honest heart, but for many it's not, and satan is loving it.
The "whole instruments thing" is one of the easiest to defend, since musical instruments were not used in ANY Christian worship service until the year 666 A.D. It is known that First-Century believers didn't use musical instruments, partly to distinguish themselves from the Jews around them (who did) and also to distinguish themselves from the pagan Romans around them who, for example, sounded trumpets to announce that the temple prostitutes were washed & ready for the next set of "worshipers."
....Baptism is NOT necessary to salvation...thats saying Christ is not enough but we as lowly beings must act as well. I believe that its a commandment but will not send u to hell...
Romans 6 my friend! And in Acts 8 the Ethiopian eunuch didnt go away rejoicing until AFTER Philip had baptized him in "much water". Christ provided the way to salvation, but "even the devils BELIEVE and tremble", does that mean they are saved?? Baptism puts us into contact with His blood. Believing is necessary but according to the scriptures so is baptism. You have to take the WHOLE word of God in context. The scriptures are plain and simple & we are not to take away from them or add to them.
I'm sorry but I have NO idea who posted that comment. It certainly was not me so I dont know if someone used my screen name or what. We are all baptized in this house.
john 3:16- says whosoever beleiveth on him; now read john 3:36, this is saying that in believing you must obey also. obey what? the call to be baptised in order to have eternal life. if you don't obey you don't believe.
Yes we believe Jesus. Please believe all of his words not just one verse. What does it mean to believe in Jesus? Belief in this context is akin to having faith. Faith (pistis) means to rely on. God requires us rely on and move in accordance with his word. Why callest me Lord Lord and do not the things that I say (Luke 6:46). If we believe we will obey. Faith without works is dead (JAmes 2:14-26). Jesus commanded Baptism (Matt 28:19; Mark 16:15-16). Do you believe Jesus?
he is speaking to his desciples (Now there apostles) telling them to baptize in the name of the father , son, and holy spirit. Mark 16: 15-16 he is speaking of spirtural baptisum into christ. Non belivers don't get abaptize.
Baptism means to immerse. Does the NT command a spiritual immersion or immersion in water. Acts 8:36 the eunuch said to Philip, "see here is WATER, what hinders me from being baptized?" When Philip preached Jesus to the Eunuch (Acts 8:35) it included baptism in water. If this were not so the eunuch's question would not have made sense. Peter mentions water 1 Pet 3 not a spiritual/symbolic baptism. The water baptism is spiritual in this way, it was commanded by God who is a spirit.
Grace working through faith. Faith is demonstrated by obedience to the word of God as I left in my first reply. Works is being used in a different way and that's what I think trips many people up. James says that "faith without works is dead" He goes on to speak about showing his faith "by his works". Works in other places speaks of the works of man in keeping the law. No man can boast of earning salvation by his own works in keeping the law or his own goodness(Eph 2).
The Old Testament was written for our learning (Rom 15:4) so lets learn. Consider Naaman; the man of God could have cured him of his leprosy by speaking but God commanded dipping 7 times in the Jordan. He was not cured until he acted in faith. He did not earn his cure but followed God's instruction on how to obtain the cure (2 Kings 5:1-14). I will ask you a question from that text in verse 13. If the bible said some great thing you would have done it why does wash and be clean bother you?
Yes good works are required as proof of a saving faith ,so that being said the bible speaks of many different types of works are they all required for salvation also?
The only things required for salvation are the things commanded.Baptism puts men into to Christ(Rom 6:3)and then men must remain faithful and not return to a life of sin(Heb 10:26ff).What is your problem with baptism?Jesus said that repentance and remission of sins would be preached(Luke24:47).Peter did that in Acts 2:38 et al. He and Phillip etc preached baptism for that purpose.If baptism were not essential,why did Jesus command it as such and his Apostles carry it out as such.
Being baptised by water does not keep a man from sinning. I have no problem with water baptisum every christian should have it done
but only as an act of obidence (A public confession of faith and for the repentence of sin)When this veres changes (Mark 16:16) Baptisum will be required.
Baptism is required now. He who goes to college and completes the degree plan shall get a degree. He who does not go college shall not. Do I really have to mention the degree plan when the perosn didn't go to school in the first place? Read Acts 16:31-34.Concentrate on the term "believed Jesus". The bible said that he rejoiced having believed Jesus. Notice that he was baptized in verse 33. He was told to believe and then they preached to him so he could believe. He was then baptized.
The verse doesn't have to change. You have to see the verse for what it is. If you believe (have faith not just believe that there is a God and that Jesus is his son), you will be baptized. If you notice Acts 16:32 and Acts 9
;35 and the verses following you will see that when the word of God was preached, baptism followed. Why is that? The jailor was baptized and that was the proof that he believed Jesus. There is no salvation without it. If this is not so Acts 22:16 does not make sense!
Notice that the blood of Jesus' blood had not been shed so the thief died under the law. Read Heb 9:16 esp. The Christian age had not yet begun and repentance and remission of sins had not yet been preached (Luke 24:47).I have answered your questions with scripture. You have not refuted anything that I have said. You have gone from question to question. Its your turn. Read my posts and answer scripturally.
The new covenant started at Jesus death on the cross when he said "it is finished" died
and gave up his spirit (John 19:30). The thief was still alive at that point they had
to break there legs in order for them to die quicker because of the sabbath was approcahing, when they Got to Jesus he was already dead (John 19:31-36) So the thief died under the new covanent not the old law
It was finished. The price had been paid at that time but terms had not been given. Everyone who came after Pentecost must do what Peter said to be saved. The thief could not have been baptized since the command was not yet given. Now the command has been given and must be followed. Find one conversion after the preaching of Gospel in Acts 2 that did not involve immersion in water. CAn you? Answer my questions with scripture as I have done all of yours. I don't argue but I do discuss bible.
But the thief was SAVED under the Old Covenant, by Christ's direct command. He was saved from that point. Christ can welcome anyone he likes into his kingdom. Actually, the thief probably was a baptized believer, since he referred to Christ as "Lord" and mentioned his "kingdom." We cannot assume he wasn't baptized. But his case isn't relevant to us today, since we're not thieves on crosses, next to Christ, receiving individual dispensations from our Savior.
The eunuch was taught as Phillip preached JEsus unto him. He responded by asking about being baptized. There was no public around to witness what he had done, just he and Phillip.
Obedience is to God's word is how we access the grace. Obedience shows our faith. I have proven that from James. Please take some time and answer my direct questions posed on my previous posts with scripture as I have done yours rather than going from point to point.
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The thieves on the cross?
There is no indication to us that the thieves on the cross were not baptized, and at the time they were still under the old Law when baptism was not yet required for salvation. Thus the new law was not established until after Christ died, and the scripture wasn’t fulfilled until his resurrection 3 days later, which proved he was the Christ.
ChurchsofChrist 4 weeks ago
@lamj00 in Revelation 6 vs 10-11 there is. What im suggesting is that man has hijacked the church with business models and committees. We have put to many of man's tradition into the church. Im saying that the church will be pefected as a body in heaven
traggicshame 5 months ago
Preach it :) Amen, don't be discouraged by other people. Thank you for this video. It helps others understand. I am so happy that I can use this as a way to get the true word out to people online.
MrClevenger777 7 months ago
Keep preaching the truth Brother Fred Williams! Great job!
1drtraci 10 months ago
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1drtraci 10 months ago
And when churches are mentioned it refers to the Churches of Christ that where there at that time. Where? Church of Christ at Rome, Corinth, Ga-la'-tia, Eph'-esus, Phil-lip'pi, Co-los'se, Thessalonica. Even today, the Church of Christ is alive and well, Jesus died for our sins and to establish his own church, no other church is necessary, he did not die a 1000 times to establish a 1000 different churches or forms of belief or doctrine.
bigcjsr2 11 months ago
In response to the rock of peter. Matthew 16:18 Upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. It being singular meaning only one. And if Christ established his own church which by the way still exists today where is there room for any other. Besides where is catholic in the bible anyway? Where is apostolic in the bible? I assure you they are not there. Romans16:16 Salute one another with as holy kiss the Churches of Christ salute you.
bigcjsr2 11 months ago
Lmbo...so does that mean that you have no answer to the apostles being baptized in the name of Jesus. These are the ORIGINAL leaders of the New Testament church. Why did it take you so long to respond....with no answer? Lol...try again. This proves my point. Be blessed brother.
toyghee 1 year ago
@toyghee , you have to understand that Jesus didn't say to Peter, "you will build my Church." What Jesus meant was,"It is the Holy Spirit, the power of God, that is building the Holy Church of God. So what church that which you're referring to?
valio2750 11 months ago
@ccarter010 If you say, that you have no sin, then you are calling God as a liar. And because of our sins, God send his son to show us the way to inherit his kingdom. He established one church which is the bulwark and pillar of his word of the truth and life. "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body - Jews or Greeks, slaves or free - and all were made to drink of one Spirit."[1cor. 12:13] The devil is evil not by condition, but by choice. You also can make a choice without choosing.
valio2750 1 year ago
There is no salvation on the teaching of the Minister Fred Williams for the whole humanity of the world, but the salvation of the whole humanity can be found in the Church from which Jesus - the son of God, established it on the rock of Peter, which is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
valio2750 1 year ago
Wow, you completely contradicted yourself. You said we have to look at the "subject" right? In verse 1 or Romans 10, Paul makes it clear that he desired that the Jews would be saved. This was no longer addressed to those that already believed. It was showing the error in the way of the Jews. They were trying to make themselves right through works instead of through Christ. That is THE SAME thing we do when we say salvation comes through baptism... NO salvation came through Christ and Him ONLY!
nini200777 1 year ago
An active Spirit, not one that is dormant. You say providence i say the Holy Spirit provides for us. Now im not evangelical not a Baptist or COC. I have the truth through the Word guided with the Holy Spirit. God is an emotion God is Love.That kinda answers what love is...but what is God..can we fathom knowledge without end...omni present..ect. ect. I think there is fatal mistakes by certain movements within all churches.. people want to be the only ones to be right, Baptist,CoC..ect ect
traggicshame 1 year ago
People make the Bible to confusing. It is complex with simplicity, do you see the effects of nature In e.x the wind sure you can scientifically explain all day what it is and never have a visual tangible picture for what it is. Love, when you love someone you can talk about it all day and never get to the actual definition it is indescribable at its core meaning. God is to be awed He is majestic and gave us the Word and Spirit to guide us. If it were up to our minds we would be in sin always.
traggicshame 1 year ago
well let me clarify the Church is here being assembled then when we leave here hopefully Heaven is where we will forever be. Isnt there a song this world is not my home im just a passing through.. We all think about going to Heaven and being amongst the presence of the Almighty God. It makes sense for the perfection to be with him in Heaven and the not complete here on earth. I believe in Water Baptism and I believe in letting God into your heart. I believe in the Holy Spirit lives in us. Active
traggicshame 1 year ago
The niv is nissing 26 verses that the king james has and all 26 have something to do with the blood.the cofc says that they were reffered to in romans 16:16 and that the church had come to a degrigated state in 1833 and had to be reformed.If that is the case, they r the ones that had to be reformed dummies.Alexander campbell started the cofc in 1833 and he was the same guy who attempted to start what is known as the mormon church and that is why the cofc and the mormon churches r so similar.
latabanza 1 year ago
The True Church is in Heaven not on earth assembled in buildings. It is made up of souls that have been faithful. From many different denominations and non-denominations. From those who accept the teaching of Jesus. Love.
traggicshame 1 year ago
@traggicshame If the church is in heaven how come the Apostle Paul writes to the church at Corinth- calling them the church of God(1Corinthians 1:2,- Paul writes to Philemon 1:1-2 ; grace to you and to the church that meets in your home. The bible is showing that the church is here on earth back then and now.
godsperspective 1 year ago 2
@godperspective because what we have here is only in part, what is perfected is when the body is assembled in heaven. Of course he called them the Church of God. Because its part of the assembly.. but not completely whole until all things are finished.
traggicshame 1 year ago
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@godperspective because what we have here is only in part, what is perfected is when the body is assembled in heaven. Of course he called them the Church of God. Because its part of the assembly.. but the Church is not completely whole until all things are finished.
traggicshame 1 year ago
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@godsperspective because what we have here is only in part, what is perfected is when the body is assembled in heaven. Of course he called them the Church of God. Because its part of the assembly, but the Church is not completely whole until all things are finished.
traggicshame 1 year ago
@godsperspective
God Doesnt Exist.
Your religion has a couple of generations left before logic and reasoning destroys it all.
You have been poising mankind for too long now
SG02JATT 6 months ago
@SG02JATT Seems that I've heard that one before - remember Voltaire?
lllannallll 6 months ago
@lllannallll
someone from the 1600's is poorly irrelevant.
Atheism is increasing by the day. Brainwash whatever kids you have left because they are your only hope.
BRainwashing children is your only hope. How sad.
SG02JATT 6 months ago
@SG02JATT "someone from the 1600's is poorly irrelevant." Voltaire is VERY relevent: he said the same stuff you do.
lllannallll 6 months ago
@lllannallll
People from the 1600's had different moral prespectives. Thats why they are not relevant to atheists today, because their morals were dispicable.
It doesnt matter if he says the same thing i do as its not in the same context and doesnt have the same reasoning behind it.
SG02JATT 6 months ago
@SG02JATT Yeah, well, it isn't about "morals" - it's about what you KNOW. And you say you KNOW there is no God. But you don't "KNOW" that - you can't prove it; therefore, in that respect, you are similar to Voltaire. What's worse is that 400 years from now, the Bible will be unchanged, but your future atheists will say you are morally dispicable, unreliable, illogical, etc., so since they presumably will be SMARTER, let's just say that now and get it over with.
lllannallll 6 months ago
@SG02JATT "Your religion has a couple of generations left before logic and reasoning destroys it all." That prediction has been made MANY times - I'm sure it was made in the 1800's and early 1900's. Well? EVERY time the prediction has been made, it has utterly failed. Yet, "this time it will be different." That's poor reasoning and illogical. Shoot, if that prediction were made in 1960, it would have ALREADY FAILED.
lllannallll 6 months ago
@lllannallll
no atheism in the western world is already increasing
almost 50 percent of englands population is agnostic and atheist. 84 percent of sweeden is agnostic or atheist.
Places where education is thriving is where religion is failing. Can you see the correlation?
SG02JATT 5 months ago
@SG02JATT "84 percent of sweeden is agnostic or atheist. Places where education is thriving is where religion is failing. Can you see the correlation?" Nope, I don't see it. Sweden does have an advantage, educationally, because it's a tad easier to "educate" a 100% Caucasian population. LOGIC, however, is a little different than "education", isn't it? And LOGIC will at least tell you that there is NO WAY your body just "came about" by chance.
lllannallll 5 months ago
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@SG02JATT "Places where education is thriving is where religion is failing." Best I can recall, the communist U. S.S.R. was pretty big on atheism, and as of the moment, the whole system - atheism included - just doesn't appear very intelligent.
lllannallll 5 months ago
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traggicshame 1 year ago
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@godperspective because what we have here is only in part, what is perfected is when the body is assembled in heaven. Of course he called them the Church of God. Because its part of the assembly.. but not completely whole until all things are finished.
traggicshame 1 year ago
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@godsperspective because what we have here is only in part, what is perfected is when the body is assembled in heaven. Of course he called them the Church of God. Because its part of the assembly, but the Church is not completely whole until all things are finished.
traggicshame 1 year ago
@traggicshame No, that's ecumenicalism. The ONE true church (Matt. 16:18) is exclusive, not inclusive! (Revelation 22:14-15)
jasonkozdra 1 year ago
@traggicshame Are there saints in heaven? What scriptures support that? I'm asking in love.
lamja00 5 months ago
The True Church is in Heaven not on earth assembled in buildings. It is made up of souls that have been faithful. From many different denominations and non-denominations. From those who accept the teaching of Jesus. Love.
traggicshame 1 year ago
Dear friends, the capitalist system is the system of Satan !!
maxistsocialist 1 year ago
THIS IS A MAN MADE RELIGEON ,,, GOD CANT HAVE A MOTHER CAN YOU NOT SEE IT? WORSHIP ONLY TRUTH GOD HIS NAME ALLAH c.c HIS MY LORD AND YOUR LORD. ALLAH HU AKBAR ( ALLAH IS THE GREATES )
faithandproof 1 year ago
@faithandproof Muhammed's bones are in the grave.
Edub2cf 1 year ago
@faithandproof , Allah is not true God. Actually, you're talking about Baal the pagan God.
valio2750 1 year ago
Mr. Fred Williams, You are not speaking the truth, why? you don't have the spirit of Truth in Yourself. How can you repent your sin by yourself? The office of binding and loosing was given to the Catholic church, by Jesus, and not your church. So what else can you do, without the Holy Catholic Church? Are trying to find your way without Jesus? Is that what you really want? Then go for it.
valio2750 1 year ago
@valio2750 There is no such thing as a Catholic Church in the word of God. You are being mislead. The body of Christ ( the church of Christ) I never saw catholic.
10COC 1 year ago
@10COC, you can't find it, because you're a new arrival. If you want to know the truth, just follow what is in your heart and do more diggings, I'll bet you, you will find it at the end. And the truth will set you free. And the Catholic Church is the one and only church which Jesus Christ is building it on the rock of Peter. But what about the other "christian churches" around the world? And my answer is, - those are the churches started by the hatred of man against Jesus Christ, the son of God.
valio2750 1 year ago
1 Peter 3:21 explains that it s not the removal of dirt from the body in baptism that saves you, but a good conscience. In other words, what do you believe by faith in your heart? I have a question, can you show me where, after Jesus was raised, the disciples were baptized by water?
toyghee 1 year ago
@toyghee , Don't interpret the word of God with a corruptible mind, because you will miss its true meaning. But let the holy spirit of God reveal it to you, by your prayer.
valio2750 1 year ago
I read a biology book and found out that it takes a male and female gamete to produce a zygote (human). No such thing call a virgin birth.
olh1152 1 year ago
GOD is not limited. Human beings are but God is not. He is the one who created all this in the first place( GENESIS 1:1, EPHESIANS 3:20).
godsperspective 1 year ago
@godsperspective, god is limited my friend. he is created by the imaginations of our minds. case in point, if you are trapped underneath rubble in an earthquake getting the life crushed out of you, there is nothing the so called almighty god can do to save you, even if you pray with all your heart. believe that one.
olh1152 1 year ago
@godsperspective, I have not seen God do anything. What has God done lately.
olh1152 1 year ago
@olh1152 that means marry was a little whore :) lol
xxxxxxedwardxxxxx 1 year ago
"they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge." sums up the denominations. great vid!
tonoklein 1 year ago
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Jesus is a dead hippie on a stick! Sad adherence to a long dead palestinian zealot criminal put to death for rebellion against Roman rule. If he ever existed at all. Christianity is a Myth. No more, no less.Get over this sad superstition of Zombies returning to life and thinking your gonna fly up to live with a make-believe God in the sky where you have cookies and treats or what the hell ever it is you myth lovers fantasize about, and get a life in the real world.
MrTamimisa 1 year ago
Matthew 28:18-20 IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE VERSES...IT'S THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST IN A NUTSHELL...THANKS FOR WHAT YOU DO BRO, MUCH LOVE AND RESPECT TO YA!!
c2six 1 year ago
Matthew 28:18-20 (King James Version) 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Doesn't seem like there is a whole lot to debate....
c2six 1 year ago
AMEN
godsperspective 1 year ago
If you study the original dialects of the Bible (Greek, Hebrew, Latin-Arabic) you will not see the later park of Mark 16 in there. A Roman Catholic scholar made up this part of the scripture.
toyghee 1 year ago
Mark 16 is consistent with Matthew 28:18-20, Acts 2:38, John 3:5, Acts 8:36-40. Therefore Mark 16 is inspired by GOD.
godsperspective 1 year ago
Not exactly. Mark 16:16 is the only verse in the Bible which condemns man for not being baptized. Again, it is not original and is made up by the ideas and concepts of a scholar.
toyghee 1 year ago
ROMANS 8:1 mentions there is no condemnation in Christ. ROMANS 6:3, GALATIANS 3:27 tells us how on gets into Christ. It is in baptism, therefore if one is not baptized into Christ that person stands condemned. So MARK 16:16 is correct and inspired by GOD.
godsperspective 1 year ago
If that is true, Paul contradicts himself in Romans 9. Paul corrected Peter on his belief in the salvation plan and Peter also saw that baptism wasn't necessary in his experience with Cornelius.
toyghee 1 year ago
What does Paul mean then when he writes in ROMANS 6:3, "that all of us have been baptized into Christ"?
godsperspective 1 year ago
All who are saved have been baptized spiritually in Christ (baptism of the Holy Ghost - which is Christ)
toyghee 1 year ago
So are you saying that Paul is talking about the baptism of the HOLY SPIRIT in ROMANS 6:3?
godsperspective 1 year ago
@toyghee
ACTS 10:47 American Standard Version
Can any man forbid the water, that these should not be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit as well as we?
c2six 1 year ago
This was after Peter realized that they were already saved. In other words, they believed and were filled with the Holy Ghost before they were baptized. Peter was asking "Since they are saved, can anyone deny them baptism?". Brothers and sisters, I am not saying that baptism isn't important, it is very much so. I'm just saying that you can't send a person to hell for not being dipped in water. It's a symbol required by God to show the world that you have made a change.
toyghee 1 year ago
@toyghee careful, peter said "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?" he did not say, "since they are saved, who are we to forbid baptism?" dont change gods word. the pouring out of the spirit was for signs for the jews that the gentiles were also included in the plan of salvation, later on in acts, the former jewish christians persecuted peter for baptizing cornelious for being a gentile, the pouring out was for signs.
not2getto 1 year ago
Can you explain to why these verses in the latter part of Mark 16 were added to the Bible? I would think that, if it were inspired by God and said at the same time, that it would be written and given at the same time as the previous verses. Jesus did EVERYTHING necessary for man to be saved other than believe and have faith. He gives us that choice. He will not put a man's salvation in another man/woman's hands by baptizing you. It's an important symbol to show the world that you have changed.
toyghee 1 year ago
@toyghee what verse in the bible says that baptism is an import symbol to show the world that you have changed?
not2getto 1 year ago
Preach on, brother! I wished everyone studied the Bible, because they would realize that it is all about GOD and not our own opinions. Baptists and others don't want to be inconvenienced with being buried in the waters of baptism through our LORD and SAVIOR Jesus the Christ. They need to learn that it doesn't matter how they feel or what they think. They need to do what the LORD wants.
thetidesrollin2 1 year ago
THANK YOU!
godsperspective 1 year ago
In Genesis, the writer talks about "In the beginning", how does the writer know what took place in the beginning when he was not even there. It seems to be a fabricated story.
olh1152 1 year ago
In 2Peter 1:19-20, it talks about men being led by the HOLY SPIRIT and not having there own interpretation. The HOLY SPIRIT was there in the beginning, therefore the writer of Genesis was being led by the HOLY SPIRIT in writing what happened in the beginning.
godsperspective 1 year ago
@godsperspective, if the writer is led by the holy spirit, then the chronology should be correct. how can trees be created before the sun? does not trees need the sun to survive. if there is no sun would not everything freeze becuse there is no heat in the coldness of space? if the holy spirit guides men into truth, then why is this chronologically wrong.
olh1152 1 year ago
You are limiting the power of GOD. He can do whatever He wants. God is the one who has made the natural laws, therefore since He is the creator these laws He is not bound to them.
godsperspective 1 year ago
@Godsperspective, what has God done in the last 25 years? Much less the last 1000 years. Please don't tell me something I can do for myself.
olh1152 1 year ago
@olh1152 your an idiot.
eldaniel67 11 months ago
Having been a preacher in the church of Christ for 20 years I'm well familar with these arguments. However, well intended, there is some untentional error being preached regarding salvation. The only time the direct question is asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" The answer was "Believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household." Acts 16 In response to their salvation, they were baptized.
dmdk66 2 years ago
In Acts 10, Peter preached to Cornelius and his household, "...whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins." They accepted that message and were filled with the Holy Spirit and they were, "speaking in tongues and magnifying God..." When Peter saw this, he saw that they had received the same gifts as the apostles and said, whey shouldn't they be baptized? You are not filled with the Holy Spirit unless you are already saved! Baptism is in response to that salvation!
dmdk66 2 years ago 2
It's not baptism that saves us but faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ! It's all about Jesus! Is baptism a command, Yes! Just as the Lord's Supper is. Does baptism represent our salvation, yes! I Pt 3 says that "baptism now saves us...."but Peter is quick to point out it's not about the removal of dirt but a clear conscience. In fact it was actually the ark that saved Noah and his family not the water.
dmdk66 2 years ago
Mark 16:16 tells us that NOT believing will condemned us. That means that BELIEVING justifies us in the sight of God (Romans 5:1)! Being baptized into Christ in Galatians is the same as 1st Cor. 12:13. Being baptized into Christ's death in Romans 6 is referring to water baptism, which doesn't save.
shaolinwarriorusa 2 years ago
When this guy refferes to Romans 10:9 he tries to disfuse it's power.He says we need to see who was talking and who they were talking to.Hello, it's many books written to a lot of people but given to us to apply to our lives.None of it was written to me nor u but we apply it.You pick and choose, but you will not be able to choose your consequences for attempting to mislead so many people!
latabanza 2 years ago
You say he 'disfuse it's power', how so? He is specifically saying who Paul is talking to, you said that we apply it to our lives, if that's the case, why don't you apply every single thing in the Bible to your life? I am certain you only want to apply what is convenient to you. To please God, you have to worship according to his command in the Bible, maybe you are the one misleading everybody.
lokaso06 1 year ago
The cofc says that if a MAN sets up a church, that church is not of God.However, the cofc was started by Alexander Campbell who was a baptist MAN, by the way who was never baptised in the cofc.According to their own teachimg he was not saved.He was a man so the cofc was started by a man so it is just as wrong and unGodly.
latabanza 2 years ago
Those people from certain churches of Christ that focus on bashing other religions out of arrogance are in the wrong. Keep in mind, the Church of Christ was established in the New Testament, however the churches that follow Campbell that use the Church of Christ name are just like any other denomination, Campbell only tried to restore baptists, but there were Churches of Christ established in the world that truly follow God's commands, however the denominational world is still misleading people
lokaso06 1 year ago
In the words of Jesus "I'm going to create man and woman with original sin. Then I'm going to impregnate a woman with myself as her child, so that I can be born. Once alive, I will kill myself as a sacrifice to myself to save you from the sin I originally condemned you to Ta Dah!"
Pyroman162 2 years ago
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RobertBaral365 2 years ago
other than that, women are not constrained to be completely silent. Seems to me the whole point is that man has a personal responsibility before God, woman man not interfere by placing herself as 'head' over the man by preaching. The man learns from the word of God, or from other men who speak as the oracles of God.
jrkidd3 2 years ago
the woman is told not to usurp authroity "OVER" the man, not the authroity ":OF" the man. The authority "head" over the man, is Christ.
jrkidd3 2 years ago
The woman is not commanded to be absolutely silent. She is commanded not to usurp authority over the man. Question: Who has authority over the man? The man is head over the woman even as CHRIST is head over the man. The man is subject to the aurhority of Christ, a woman does not belong between the two. Eve usurped Gods authroity over Adam (who let her do it). Paul is simply saying that Christ is in authority first, over the man, the woman does not belong in the middle by means of preaching
jrkidd3 2 years ago
So now you know more than the Apostle Paul (writer of those scriptures) who was inspired and guided by the Holy Spirit? I suspect that you are a follower of Juanita Bynum and Joyce Meyer.
runningchance 2 years ago
I suspect that you are a follower of any old wind that blows. You make absolutely on sense and your ability to undersand written words seems to be somewhat limited. I am done, no more responses to your deliberate baiting. Find someone else to argue with and pick on. Bye now :o)
jrkidd3 2 years ago
Jesus made it simple. If a person wants to know the truth a person must obey Gods word, then they will see for themselves the bible is right, then the truth will set them free(JOHN-8:31-32).
godsperspective 2 years ago
There is no evidence for the bible's truth. If you believe in it, it's through blind faith, which is the willfull abandonment of reason. I'm a man of science. I believe in empiricalism, evidence and testable repeatable results with logical conclusions of the universe based on that. Their is no evidence of anything supernatural (defying the laws of nature). If you believe in the bible you are a wishful thinker who wants to believe in it because you're afraid and weak minded.
Pyroman162 2 years ago
Perhaps you should should try some time to compute the mathematical odds of a sun like our producing a solar system like our, producing a planet like our, producing life. You would stand a better chance of winning a lottery with the odds being above 800 million to one. If you believe in testing a theory, then test the time + matter + chance theory like a real mathematician.
jrkidd3 2 years ago
You don't seem like a man of science. Your conclusions are based on unproven theories. I suspect that more than likely there is something in your life that is keeping you from searching out the truth. Most people that totally reject salvation are homosexual, and they are not willing to give that up.
runningchance 2 years ago
There was a time when science 'Knew" the earth was flat, curiously the Bible states in Job 26:7 : He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. Describing the earth as "in space" I hope you will read the Bible, it will give you everything you need to get throught this life and enjoy a Heavenly home. God Bless You..
tcmi09 2 years ago
alright, have fun with your imaginary friend =)
Pyroman162 2 years ago
GO ye therefore and TEACH all nations BAPTISING them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU
People will GO
They will TEACH
because it was commanded
But when it comes to that BAPTISING thing, that is just "a work .. an outward demonstration of an inward commitment, as baptism were a work of man, not of God whose word commands it. Amen, Brother Williams. May those who have ears to hear listen well.
jrkidd3 2 years ago
What scripture are using that says baptism is a work?
Kazae02 2 years ago
part one
I do not personally contend that baptism is a work My intention was to represent the teaching of those who do Some say that to tell someone they must be baptised is to tell them they are being saved by doing a work.Some describe baptism as "an outward demonstration of an inward commitment" or some variation of that kind of thinking.
jrkidd3 2 years ago
part two
If I were to say that baptism is a work then I would say that it is not a work of man to demonstrate anything to men but a work of obedient faith in response to the Word of God, the gospel of our salvation. As James said faith without works is dead. Baptism is much more than that, too, though as it places us 'into Christ'. It is the only means by which we may 'put on Christ'.
jrkidd3 2 years ago
part three
Those who hold that baptism is a work of man also pteach that all you need is faith and some variation of the 'sinners prayer' to be saved. A ture understanding of baptism would eliminate that theology
jrkidd3 2 years ago
part four
finally, because of the limitations of this forum, I did not clearly make my case that baptism is part of that 'great commission' just as are 'go' and 'teach' but those who say baptism is a work seem not to notice that it is commanded in the very same statement as 'go' and 'teach'. It, too, is an irremovable part of that great comission and should also be obeyed.
jrkidd3 2 years ago
Wow, I don't mean to seem harsh and I apologize for intruding into your debate with these guys but just from a outsider looking in, if you honestly think baptism is work, you must be the laziest person on the planet. Well, at least your the best at something, even if that something is doing nothing.
runningchance 2 years ago
apparently, you do not understand. I do not consider baptism a work, but I said that if I did, then it is a work of God, not of men. It is the act of baptism that places one into Christ. That is Gods doing, not mans
The fact is, you would not believe my work record if I could show it to you, But you seem to have no problem being personally insulting
2nd fact is this has not been a debate only a discussion
3rd fact is I have no intention of being drawen into debate or argument with you
jrkidd3 2 years ago
Perhaps you should consider being immersed into the death,burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ properly.
runningchance 2 years ago
I have already done that. I am a member of the Lords church now for almost 40 years. Why is it that you do not understand what I have said? If baptism is a "work" of God it had ought to be done but some contend it is a work done by men to impress other men. I do not I have tried to make myself clear on that yet you cannot seem to comprehend. I suspect you really are not trying to understand You are just passing away the time of day by being arbitray online with another person. I have had enough
jrkidd3 2 years ago
i agree baptism is required for Salvation
eustacefan 2 years ago
@eustacefan if baptism is required for salvation it takes our focus off of Jesus and puts it more on a ritual. Is that ritual imporant? extremely! But it's Jesus Christ that saves. Focus on a ritual causes us to become very legalistic in our thinking and start excluding others who are Christians but have a different mindset. God bless you!
dmdk66 2 years ago
In Acts-8:34-40-the eunuch is baptized in water. In Acts-10:47-48-Peter baptized Cornelius household in water.1Peter 3:20-21 mentions water concerning baptism. Jesus was baptized in water-,atthew 3:13-16
godsperspective 2 years ago
one thing you all are missing in acts it describes baptism of the holy spirit (which is said to come before baptisim by water) is salvation not baptism by water
kooler2004 2 years ago
How do you know its baptizim in water when it probably means baptizim in the holy spirit which the bible say comes before baptisim in water and baptsim in the holy spirit is salvation not baptisim in water.
kooler2004 2 years ago
...Probably... he just sighted book, chapter, and verse to several conversion accounts. All of which included water baptism... and all you can say is "probably"? Let's look at the book of James. Verses 14-26 repeat over and over that faith alone is dead. At the end of verse 14 James asks if faith alone can save... the answer being no. Another interesting couple of verses are 1 Peter 3: 18-22. The point of the verses shown it verse 21..... (continued in next reply)
NZComfort 2 years ago
"Corresponding to that," (the previous verses speaking of how only eight people were brought safely through the water in the days of Noah) "baptism now saves you- not the removal of dirt from the fresh," ( baptism being a burial, since one has died to sin Romans 6:1-7 ) "but an appeal to God for a good conscience- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ." I would like to thank you for reading this, and to say that talking to you guys has been a welcome change from arguing with atheists.
NZComfort 2 years ago
The old as the hills argument between "in" and "into" Christ is based ONLY on ENGLISH. The Greek doesn't present this silly argument since these prepositions aren't in english. The reference to "into" comes from the preposition "EIS" which has 32 differnt senses (not definitions since prepositions don't have definitions like nouns) . VINES simply translates it as "as regards to" But in this verse we can offer the sense, "in reference to" not "into" Try it and see if that clears it up.
tainochief 2 years ago
Jesus said, "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned." (Mark 16:16)
The world says, "He who has believed is saved, and then he should be baptized." (The world)
Notice that there is a HUGE difference in the two statements. There is NO WAY to get salvation in between "belief" and "baptism." For me and my house, we will serve the Lord, but we will do it His way and not according to the way of the world.
Full4God 2 years ago
The debate on instruments is not whether or not the Jews in the OT worshiped God with them. The text indicates they did - apparently with God's approval. The question is: Because they did it, does that mean I must do it too? They offered incense to God. Should I? They lit candles in the temple. Does God want me to light candles? They offered the blood of bulls and goats. Does God want me to offer them too? We should not pick and choose from the OT to justify that which we want to do.
Full4God 2 years ago
No, how many people read the old testment as a bases of faith?
numanuma20 2 years ago
If jesus was here today, the CofC would tell him that he would have to get baptized in their church or he could not go back to heaven.
I grew up in the dry dead cofc and never found nor did i ever meet a real christian in heart. It is a legalistic religeon. Try preaching the word and saving souls wrather than your bully type so called preaching.
The minister at the cofc that i went to, molested his son and did not step down
Go sing coom by aw at Sierra Bible Camp
latabanza 2 years ago
Jesus was baptized by John "to fulfill all righteousness." However, Jesus would not have to be baptized "for the forgiveness of his sins," because He had no sin of His own. He had to literally die (as a scapegoat) because God "made Him who knew no sin to be sin that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." Granted, there may be legalistic congregations, but just don't follow their example. Spread the love in true Christianity - but not like you're doing. You're no better like this.
Full4God 2 years ago
Amen,
numanuma20 2 years ago
Gods plan of salvation is very simple.
1.Hear the gospel -- Rom 10:14
2.Believing -- Heb 11:6
3.Repent -- Lk. 13:1-5
4.Confess -- Mt. 10:32-33
5.Being baptized -- Mk. 16:16
6.Being faithful unto death -- Mt 7:21
p.s. the Church of Christ is the ONLY church found in the bible
kcbear124 3 years ago
You agree that faith comes before baptism. Walter Scott's 5 finger 'plan' of salvation that he worked out in 1827 can be a bit misleading. The Gospel of John was written in the church age (90 AD) and was meant to give eternal life yet never mentions baptism at all. The present-possessive promises of Christ offer eternal life by belief alone. See Jn 3:18; 5:24. Upon believing one has 'no condemnation,' one has 'eternal life'. This is given at the moment of believing, then one is baptized.
tainochief 3 years ago
If one is "in Christ," hence saved at the point of belief, then how can one later be "baptized into Christ?" If I am already in this room, how then can I be brought into this room? One does not become a child of God until one experiences the new birth. Compare Jesus "born again" (John 3:3) statement with Paul's "newness of life" statement (Romans 6:3-4). "Born again" and "newness of life" mean exactly the same thing. Paul explains how the Christians in Rome received this new life.
Full4God 2 years ago
Don't let some misguided individual trick you into believing that baptism is essential for salvation.
How stupid! How foolish! How woefully ignorant is he of the Word of God. The Apostle Paul in 1st Corinthians 1:17 declared...
"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel..." -1st Corinthians 1:17
PeeFinster 2 years ago
One could not repent of his sins until he believed in Jesus. In the same way, one would not be "baptized into Christ" until he believed in Jesus. And one cannot believe in Jesus until he has heard the gospel of Christ. It would be foolish for Jesus to send Paul to baptize a group of people who first needed to hear the gospel, believe it and repent of their sins. This passage does not prove that baptism is not essential; it proves that people must hear and believe the gospel first.
Full4God 2 years ago
Full4God WE come to the Lord first (Repent) then we are washed of our sins.
Baptism is NOT a requirement for Salvation. Does that mean we should not be Baptized? Of course not. Baptism comes after we are born again (regenerated) in Christ. As we grow in Christ we start to live they way Christ wants us too and to be Bapized is one of them BUT it is NOT a requirement for Salvation...We are saved by having Faith alone..NOT by
'Works".
PeeFinster 2 years ago
1. How do you get salvation before baptism? "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved." (Mark 16:16) It's like saying, "This plus this equals that."
"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." (John 3:36)
2. How do you claim "faith alone?" "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone." (James 2:24) You speak the complete opposite of James. Hmmm...
Full4God 2 years ago
Ill make a comment in interest to hear what some have to say concerning instrumental music and the old testament teaching. And that is Amos chapter 5 and 6 concerning what "David's" instruments led to and God's comment through Amos. It's interesting to study and I have not given any oppinion for myself, just a comment.
phrygianbehemoth 3 years ago
Wow.
This is scary. In Psalm 150, God instructs us to praise him with every instrument we can find.
In II Tim. 3:16, "all scripture," what scripture do you think it was referring to? There was no New Testament when II Tim. was written. It's referring to "all scripture" in the Old Testament.
Re-read Psalm 150 and praise the Lord!
acook70 3 years ago
Its not scary at all. yes all scripture is given by god,
but Psalm 150 is in the old covenant which has not been valid since christ's death Exodus 24:8, Heb 8:13
kcbear124 3 years ago
I believe that instruments are fine to praise the Lord. But NOT in a worship service. You should sing to the Lord in your heart. Ephesians 5:19
streetluc13 2 years ago
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kcbear124 3 years ago
Min. Williams -- Where does the Book of Acts, especially the 2nd chapter of Acts, fit into salvation?
I see in Acts, where people were baptized in the name of Jesus and were filled with the Holy Ghost, speaking in other tongues as the Spirit of God gave utterance.
That's how Jesus founded His church. Is it wise to skip over Acts, and jump right into Romans, which was written to people who already had been baptized in Jesus' name and filled with the Holy Ghost?
JesusIsMyHelp 3 years ago
Studying the Holy Spirit would be the way to answer that question. We see in Acts the when, how, and who shares with believers God's Holy Spirit and what apostles who wrote in letters later believed about God's Holy Spirit in Acts. In the letters these men
elaberate God's Holy Spirit's importance & Hebrews reminds us we need to be made perfect in Spirit, and of the new Covenant in Jeremiah.
JonahTorn 3 years ago
Yes it is wise because we see elaboration on what is already believed for people to understand what they already know better.
Paul also paraphrases the covenant in Jeremiah
in the Characteristics of a Gentiles insted of only Judah & Israel. The Gentile in Ro 2 did not have the law, but was a law to himself
with it written is hear and wind the way Jeremiah predicts people will know the Lord in
the new Covenant. This perspective is best seen after the spirit has been recieved looking back.
JonahTorn 3 years ago
I believe Jesus Christ knew what he was talking about in matthew 4:4 when he was tempted of satan, he said "man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God".
Now go read II Timothy 3:16... "all scripture"
Now go read Mark 16:16 and I peter 3:21. We better believe all these verses.
Noone in the N.T. was ever saved w/o water baptism, this is a fact, that should be enough for an honest heart, but for many it's not, and satan is loving it.
hblair37 3 years ago 2
hblair37...You are speaking the TRUTH!
JesusIsMyHelp 3 years ago
Lets's not foget about love that is also required for salvation.
Peace and blessings
dmussaw 3 years ago
I know him personally he's a great guy.
I have however, disagreements with the church of christ in some ways. Like the whole instruments thing
IAMSHAK 3 years ago
The "whole instruments thing" is one of the easiest to defend, since musical instruments were not used in ANY Christian worship service until the year 666 A.D. It is known that First-Century believers didn't use musical instruments, partly to distinguish themselves from the Jews around them (who did) and also to distinguish themselves from the pagan Romans around them who, for example, sounded trumpets to announce that the temple prostitutes were washed & ready for the next set of "worshipers."
TheophilusSouth 3 years ago
....Baptism is NOT necessary to salvation...thats saying Christ is not enough but we as lowly beings must act as well. I believe that its a commandment but will not send u to hell...
oldgregg45 3 years ago
Romans 6 my friend! And in Acts 8 the Ethiopian eunuch didnt go away rejoicing until AFTER Philip had baptized him in "much water". Christ provided the way to salvation, but "even the devils BELIEVE and tremble", does that mean they are saved?? Baptism puts us into contact with His blood. Believing is necessary but according to the scriptures so is baptism. You have to take the WHOLE word of God in context. The scriptures are plain and simple & we are not to take away from them or add to them.
blm9276 3 years ago
I'm sorry but I have NO idea who posted that comment. It certainly was not me so I dont know if someone used my screen name or what. We are all baptized in this house.
oldgregg45 3 years ago
I agree, 1 Cor 1:17 says Paul came to preach the Gospel. Baptism is an act of obedience only .
Daneduggan26 3 years ago
THAT MEANS THE QUESTION ASKED IN JOHN 11:26! THE ANSWER WOULD HAVE TO BE "no" TO JESUS, UNLESS YOU WERE BAPTISED. DO WE BELIEVE jesus OR NOT.
God loves you.....God bless
dmussaw 3 years ago
john 3:16- says whosoever beleiveth on him; now read john 3:36, this is saying that in believing you must obey also. obey what? the call to be baptised in order to have eternal life. if you don't obey you don't believe.
magnumstarliner 3 years ago
Yes we believe Jesus. Please believe all of his words not just one verse. What does it mean to believe in Jesus? Belief in this context is akin to having faith. Faith (pistis) means to rely on. God requires us rely on and move in accordance with his word. Why callest me Lord Lord and do not the things that I say (Luke 6:46). If we believe we will obey. Faith without works is dead (JAmes 2:14-26). Jesus commanded Baptism (Matt 28:19; Mark 16:15-16). Do you believe Jesus?
Mellow84 3 years ago
he is speaking to his desciples (Now there apostles) telling them to baptize in the name of the father , son, and holy spirit. Mark 16: 15-16 he is speaking of spirtural baptisum into christ. Non belivers don't get abaptize.
God loves you...God bless
dmussaw 3 years ago
Baptism means to immerse. Does the NT command a spiritual immersion or immersion in water. Acts 8:36 the eunuch said to Philip, "see here is WATER, what hinders me from being baptized?" When Philip preached Jesus to the Eunuch (Acts 8:35) it included baptism in water. If this were not so the eunuch's question would not have made sense. Peter mentions water 1 Pet 3 not a spiritual/symbolic baptism. The water baptism is spiritual in this way, it was commanded by God who is a spirit.
Mellow84 3 years ago
The eunuch requested to be baptise by phillip
he wasen't commanded to be. He wanted to be baptize to publiy show his faith in christ.
baptisum into the spirit is not symbolic its a real event (1 peter 3 speaks a batisum of
of a good conscience toward God (public display). It nowwhere saids its commanded.
We are save GRACE thru faith and not of works.
Are you saying his Gace is not sufficient enough to save?
God loves you...God bless
dmussaw 3 years ago
Grace working through faith. Faith is demonstrated by obedience to the word of God as I left in my first reply. Works is being used in a different way and that's what I think trips many people up. James says that "faith without works is dead" He goes on to speak about showing his faith "by his works". Works in other places speaks of the works of man in keeping the law. No man can boast of earning salvation by his own works in keeping the law or his own goodness(Eph 2).
Mellow84 3 years ago
The Old Testament was written for our learning (Rom 15:4) so lets learn. Consider Naaman; the man of God could have cured him of his leprosy by speaking but God commanded dipping 7 times in the Jordan. He was not cured until he acted in faith. He did not earn his cure but followed God's instruction on how to obtain the cure (2 Kings 5:1-14). I will ask you a question from that text in verse 13. If the bible said some great thing you would have done it why does wash and be clean bother you?
Mellow84 3 years ago
Yes good works are required as proof of a saving faith ,so that being said the bible speaks of many different types of works are they all required for salvation also?
God loves you....God bless
dmussaw 3 years ago
The only things required for salvation are the things commanded.Baptism puts men into to Christ(Rom 6:3)and then men must remain faithful and not return to a life of sin(Heb 10:26ff).What is your problem with baptism?Jesus said that repentance and remission of sins would be preached(Luke24:47).Peter did that in Acts 2:38 et al. He and Phillip etc preached baptism for that purpose.If baptism were not essential,why did Jesus command it as such and his Apostles carry it out as such.
Mellow84 3 years ago
Being baptised by water does not keep a man from sinning. I have no problem with water baptisum every christian should have it done
but only as an act of obidence (A public confession of faith and for the repentence of sin)When this veres changes (Mark 16:16) Baptisum will be required.
God loves you...God bless
dmussaw 3 years ago
Baptism is required now. He who goes to college and completes the degree plan shall get a degree. He who does not go college shall not. Do I really have to mention the degree plan when the perosn didn't go to school in the first place? Read Acts 16:31-34.Concentrate on the term "believed Jesus". The bible said that he rejoiced having believed Jesus. Notice that he was baptized in verse 33. He was told to believe and then they preached to him so he could believe. He was then baptized.
Mellow84 3 years ago
The verse doesn't have to change. You have to see the verse for what it is. If you believe (have faith not just believe that there is a God and that Jesus is his son), you will be baptized. If you notice Acts 16:32 and Acts 9
;35 and the verses following you will see that when the word of God was preached, baptism followed. Why is that? The jailor was baptized and that was the proof that he believed Jesus. There is no salvation without it. If this is not so Acts 22:16 does not make sense!
Mellow84 3 years ago
Ok! did the thief get down off the cross and get baptise before Jesus allowed hin into paradise that day? Perfect picture of John 3:16.
God loves you.....God bless
dmussaw 3 years ago
Notice that the blood of Jesus' blood had not been shed so the thief died under the law. Read Heb 9:16 esp. The Christian age had not yet begun and repentance and remission of sins had not yet been preached (Luke 24:47).I have answered your questions with scripture. You have not refuted anything that I have said. You have gone from question to question. Its your turn. Read my posts and answer scripturally.
Mellow84 3 years ago
The new covenant started at Jesus death on the cross when he said "it is finished" died
and gave up his spirit (John 19:30). The thief was still alive at that point they had
to break there legs in order for them to die quicker because of the sabbath was approcahing, when they Got to Jesus he was already dead (John 19:31-36) So the thief died under the new covanent not the old law
God loves you....God bless
dmussaw 3 years ago
It was finished. The price had been paid at that time but terms had not been given. Everyone who came after Pentecost must do what Peter said to be saved. The thief could not have been baptized since the command was not yet given. Now the command has been given and must be followed. Find one conversion after the preaching of Gospel in Acts 2 that did not involve immersion in water. CAn you? Answer my questions with scripture as I have done all of yours. I don't argue but I do discuss bible.
Mellow84 3 years ago
Well know what I'm going to pary om this and ask God for guidence in his truth, I suggest you do the same.
God loves you....God bless
dmussaw 3 years ago
But the thief was SAVED under the Old Covenant, by Christ's direct command. He was saved from that point. Christ can welcome anyone he likes into his kingdom. Actually, the thief probably was a baptized believer, since he referred to Christ as "Lord" and mentioned his "kingdom." We cannot assume he wasn't baptized. But his case isn't relevant to us today, since we're not thieves on crosses, next to Christ, receiving individual dispensations from our Savior.
TheophilusSouth 3 years ago
The eunuch was taught as Phillip preached JEsus unto him. He responded by asking about being baptized. There was no public around to witness what he had done, just he and Phillip.
Obedience is to God's word is how we access the grace. Obedience shows our faith. I have proven that from James. Please take some time and answer my direct questions posed on my previous posts with scripture as I have done yours rather than going from point to point.
Mellow84 3 years ago
I enjoyed this video keep up the good work
skincell01 3 years ago