While I agree with the separation of church and state the idea that religion should have no influence in politics would mean that politics would fail to properly meet the needs of those it has a responsibility to serve. As long as there are religious people in a country their views and opinions should be taken into account just as much and as equally as any others. The moment you have a government that ignores the religious beliefs of its people is the moment you have a biased government.
Dear me, you atheists are all in for one hell of a shock (and I do mean "hell") when you stand before God face to face at the end of your short lives. The bottom line is this:Evidence for God is all around us (in creation, DNA, morals, historicity of Jesus,etc).Even if you had more evidence it still wouldn't be enough as you love your sin and hate God.That's the fallen nature you cling to and it will be your condemnation. There's still time to repent.Today is the day of salvation.Turn to Christ.
"Dear me, you atheists are all in for one hell of a shock (and I do mean "hell") when you stand before God face to face at the end of your short lives."
When we stand before which god? The Muslim god? The Catholic conception of god? You see, as far as, e.g., Muslims are concerned, there are no differences between atheists and other non-Muslims. According to them, all non-Muslims are going to hell.
So, shut the fuck. Don't pick on atheists with your silly scare stories.
@TheStenerX atheists don't hate any gods, they just believe in them. And as for sin, that's a made up idea. Atheists are just as likely as any religious person to be good, or bad.
Atheists don't follow YOUR religion for the same reason YOU don't follow Islam, or any other religion. Why aren't you a Muslim? When you answer that, you'll see why atheists aren't convinced by the myths contained within the bible!
There are some religious groups that have a history of supporting secularism, and secularist groups that originated with religious coalitions. Americans United for Separation of Church & State is one U.S.-based example (indeed, its leader is a Christian minister).
Unfortunately, today's theocratic extremists -- from fundamentalists to the RC hierarchy -- have been working to paint secularism as being opposed to freedom of religion. This is a lie and should be countered at every turn.
I'm too far from London and too busy at the time to come down, but I would love to attend this march. I'll be keeping an eye on news when it happens to see what coverage it gets, and what groups have supported it as well. It would be lovely to see religious groups there, as others have said - it is difficult to imagine why a religious person who has truly considered the arguments could oppose us. Catholics are affected by CofE bishops in the HoL as well...
@LsBaba I agree. I mean there were Catholics marching with us to protest the Pope. Catholics, as I've found out, as individuals don't all look to the Pope as a spiritual leader, they have their own local priest and indeed their own thoughts, and many don't even consider the Pope. So in their individual conscience if someone they thought the Pope said is wrong then it is up to them. And yes secular Europe is for all beliefs. Free to practice whatever without others jump down their throat.
@jeneshisugakuto It's true, the upper echelons of the RC hierarchy are really disconnected from the everyday needs of regular Catholics. The Curia has an overinflated view of its own importance. Nonetheless, our leaders actually pay attention to these guys (who apparently think themselves above civil law!).
@DaboiaRusselli I see on your page you're having a lot of trouble. I know in the USA people are irreligious can be more "aggressive" and band together a bit more but it seems you need to be. So, that person saying atheism is a religion and the person who says we're brainwashed doesn't know how it is the UK. We often don't band together. We don't believe because we have our pagan roots debunking it for us. We had an early saint writing about goddess Eostre (pronounced Easter). Jul still exists.
@jeneshisugakuto Even though the US was the first country to enact legal separation of church & state, we have a lot of problems with religious extremists here who want to make their brand of Christianity the law of the land. All the Republican 2012 Presidential candidates are pandering to the religious far-right.
I don't think nonreligious Americans are aggressive, we're just sick of so-called "Christians" hating on us all the time.
@DaboiaRusselli It's so odd, that. The separation of church and state. You have separation but there's nothing that stops individual politicians "doing god". What I mean is in reference to what Tony Blair said, he said "we don't do god". In the UK it doesn't come through in politics as much as with the USA but we have the Lord Spiritual in the House of Lords. It's odd. I don't think you're aggressive either. hence the quotations ;) You just want your voice back.
It would be lovely to see a separation of church and state in the United Kingdom, and also to rid the UK of it's current monarchial system which connects the Anglican church with the state. A true democracy? Yes please!
@MusicFederation There are many things you can do to support this Campaign... You can use twitter, facebook, send a postcard, send a video of support, sign a petition, publicise on blogs, local media, etc.
While I agree with the separation of church and state the idea that religion should have no influence in politics would mean that politics would fail to properly meet the needs of those it has a responsibility to serve. As long as there are religious people in a country their views and opinions should be taken into account just as much and as equally as any others. The moment you have a government that ignores the religious beliefs of its people is the moment you have a biased government.
learningcurveify 6 months ago
Dear me, you atheists are all in for one hell of a shock (and I do mean "hell") when you stand before God face to face at the end of your short lives. The bottom line is this:Evidence for God is all around us (in creation, DNA, morals, historicity of Jesus,etc).Even if you had more evidence it still wouldn't be enough as you love your sin and hate God.That's the fallen nature you cling to and it will be your condemnation. There's still time to repent.Today is the day of salvation.Turn to Christ.
TheStenerX 6 months ago
@TheStenerX
"Dear me, you atheists are all in for one hell of a shock (and I do mean "hell") when you stand before God face to face at the end of your short lives."
When we stand before which god? The Muslim god? The Catholic conception of god? You see, as far as, e.g., Muslims are concerned, there are no differences between atheists and other non-Muslims. According to them, all non-Muslims are going to hell.
So, shut the fuck. Don't pick on atheists with your silly scare stories.
Mattyb88ful 5 months ago 2
@TheStenerX atheists don't hate any gods, they just believe in them. And as for sin, that's a made up idea. Atheists are just as likely as any religious person to be good, or bad.
Atheists don't follow YOUR religion for the same reason YOU don't follow Islam, or any other religion. Why aren't you a Muslim? When you answer that, you'll see why atheists aren't convinced by the myths contained within the bible!
ramette99 3 months ago
There are some religious groups that have a history of supporting secularism, and secularist groups that originated with religious coalitions. Americans United for Separation of Church & State is one U.S.-based example (indeed, its leader is a Christian minister).
Unfortunately, today's theocratic extremists -- from fundamentalists to the RC hierarchy -- have been working to paint secularism as being opposed to freedom of religion. This is a lie and should be countered at every turn.
DaboiaRusselli 6 months ago
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This makes me want to listen to my His Dark Materials audiobooks again...
mime454 6 months ago
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mime454 6 months ago
I'm too far from London and too busy at the time to come down, but I would love to attend this march. I'll be keeping an eye on news when it happens to see what coverage it gets, and what groups have supported it as well. It would be lovely to see religious groups there, as others have said - it is difficult to imagine why a religious person who has truly considered the arguments could oppose us. Catholics are affected by CofE bishops in the HoL as well...
derangedyoshi 6 months ago
I'll be doing my best to attend the march. I <3 the idea of a truly secular Europe :D
bewarethelizards42 6 months ago
1:07 YUGOSLAVIA!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)))))
andrejmilanoski 6 months ago
I'm an atheist but, as Philip Pullman said, it would be nice to see religious groups supporting the Secular Europe Campaign. Are any doing so?
LsBaba 6 months ago 9
@LsBaba I agree. I mean there were Catholics marching with us to protest the Pope. Catholics, as I've found out, as individuals don't all look to the Pope as a spiritual leader, they have their own local priest and indeed their own thoughts, and many don't even consider the Pope. So in their individual conscience if someone they thought the Pope said is wrong then it is up to them. And yes secular Europe is for all beliefs. Free to practice whatever without others jump down their throat.
jeneshisugakuto 6 months ago 2
@jeneshisugakuto It's true, the upper echelons of the RC hierarchy are really disconnected from the everyday needs of regular Catholics. The Curia has an overinflated view of its own importance. Nonetheless, our leaders actually pay attention to these guys (who apparently think themselves above civil law!).
DaboiaRusselli 6 months ago
@DaboiaRusselli I see on your page you're having a lot of trouble. I know in the USA people are irreligious can be more "aggressive" and band together a bit more but it seems you need to be. So, that person saying atheism is a religion and the person who says we're brainwashed doesn't know how it is the UK. We often don't band together. We don't believe because we have our pagan roots debunking it for us. We had an early saint writing about goddess Eostre (pronounced Easter). Jul still exists.
jeneshisugakuto 6 months ago
@jeneshisugakuto Even though the US was the first country to enact legal separation of church & state, we have a lot of problems with religious extremists here who want to make their brand of Christianity the law of the land. All the Republican 2012 Presidential candidates are pandering to the religious far-right.
I don't think nonreligious Americans are aggressive, we're just sick of so-called "Christians" hating on us all the time.
Good luck to you & all of our European friends!
DaboiaRusselli 6 months ago
@DaboiaRusselli It's so odd, that. The separation of church and state. You have separation but there's nothing that stops individual politicians "doing god". What I mean is in reference to what Tony Blair said, he said "we don't do god". In the UK it doesn't come through in politics as much as with the USA but we have the Lord Spiritual in the House of Lords. It's odd. I don't think you're aggressive either. hence the quotations ;) You just want your voice back.
jeneshisugakuto 6 months ago
@jeneshisugakuto "I see on your page you're having a lot of trouble"
I didn't know I had a page!
DaboiaRusselli 6 months ago
It would be lovely to see a separation of church and state in the United Kingdom, and also to rid the UK of it's current monarchial system which connects the Anglican church with the state. A true democracy? Yes please!
Burbridge92 6 months ago 11
This sounds excellent. Am I allowed to arrive in a popemobile?
BelligerentBageller 6 months ago
Damn. I'm too far from London to join the march :(
MusicFederation 6 months ago
@MusicFederation There are many things you can do to support this Campaign... You can use twitter, facebook, send a postcard, send a video of support, sign a petition, publicise on blogs, local media, etc.
marcotranchino 6 months ago
I will be attending the march.
We need a secular Europe.
Mattyb88ful 6 months ago 3