Pioneer: Why Blu-ray?

[JoeyHD2]

lol thats why bluray is the best im getting my bluray sometime today bought it for 110 bucks its a pioneer

[apollo849]

HD DVD (on my 360) plays 1080p and blu ray plays 1080p aswell, the only difference betweem blu ray and HD DVD is storage, HD DVD can contain up to 9GB, blu ray contains up to 50GB.

[banditZ1993]

HD-DVD can contain 30GB and 15GB (single layer)

[apollo849]

Sorry my mistake i was thinking of DVD9 being the name lol yes your comment is correct on HD DVD storage.

[greenday4ever2]

Heath Ledger was on the tv wooooooo!!!

[bio2020]

who cares?

dvd is not going ANYWHERE. difference between dvd and bluray is not a big deal. the big deal is for video games though.

[theycutheyknowu]

when she asked why cant we have 2 formats he was saying because it would be confusing, but he forgets while the battle was on for hd vs blu-ray they didnt mind selling both formats lol so what the guy said didnt make sense in fact he just proofs that this is brainwashing us.

[Trixilver]

He means selling the SAME movie on 2 different formats. What he said made perfect sense.

[shea169]

either way why is dvd going out of fashion so bloody quickly,blu ray is 10 pounds more expensive than a dvd nd wat for a tiny better screen on your big HD tv anyway???? makes me angry that they make these new things nd make everything to do it with it 10x more expensive than the original product, DVD in this case!!!!

[McLarenMercedes]

Let me tell you this. Everybody that has seen BluRay Full HD 1080p on my LCD TV from a HDMI has said DVD looks like old VHS by comparison.

Slightly better my ass. Once you've seen FULL HD 1080p,all your ordinary DVD's look DULL.

[shea169]

You've gotta agree in the price though,

Y make everything so much mroe expensive?

[roodraiploem]

because you get what you pay for :)

[banditZ1993]

All I get are 0 and 1s and a piece of plastic so plastic is expensive now??

[philster61]

I personally wonder why there should be only one format.Whats wrong with having multi format anyway? We dont just drive one particular brand of car.Or wear only one brand of clothing.I think that to have only one format limits the market and the consumer will be the loser in the end

[mrsepek]

its always nice with standards, electricity, information protocols, laws and languages, operation systems and so on.. it would be closer to utopia if there could be a best format and more money where spent on making good content instead

[IDOBLU2008]

Toshiba is set to announce that they are pulling out of the HD DVD business after Warner Bros and US retailers Wal-Mart, K Mart and Best Buy said that they are only going to support Blu ray. Also contributing to the decision was a move by retailers globally to support Blu ray over HD DVD.

[DeltaForceSFODD]

Thank God the better format one for once so we can now move on to a great 2008 for Blu-ray.

[renzokata]

there really isn't much of a difference between blu-ray and dvd. i watched silent hill 3 and i wasn't really that impressed. it's better... yes, but nothing to make a big hype about.

[rancwr]

You obviously need new equipment. Can't comment specifically on SH3, some transfers aren't done as well as others, but 99.9% of Blu-ray discs will blow SD DVD's off the screen.

[mji245]

blu-ray is sharper becouse it stores up to 50gb while hd dvd 15gb

[HDDVDvsBluRay]

Well technicality:

BluRay=25, While HDDVD=15gb (that is a single layer) BluRay= 50, HDDVD=30 (dule Layer)

also be sure to check out our show about HDDVD AND BLURAY!

[jtmexicutioner]

youtude is not in HD ,so you cant tell the diffrence

[ToRoNtOGuYY]

Both look the same to me, pls reply if u agree or disgree

[diong001]

I agree, you dick. But blu ray wins

[niyooh]

HD DVD offers more for the consumer. (see my other post)

[moustachio334]

with a higher capacity and higher transfer rate why would anyone choose hd dvd? it's an obvious choice. Theres a toshiba tv playing an hd dvd at circuit city and I thought it was a regular dvd playing however the bravia playing a blu ray had a big differenece. Everythings so colorful and smooth. Blu Ray is next gen while HD dvd is what I call half gen.

[ljbanner]

why would warner want to support a company that is in direct comp in the movies

sony owns all the rights to the bluray coding so all other studios will have to pay sony rights to use it!

it does not make sense to give your competitor the edge

sony has a large enough share of the electronics and movies why give them even more?

warner will decide to go hd dvd anyone agree

[niyooh]

HD DVD is just the better choice for the consumer, it's cheaper, region-free, has more features and it's ready to use (no different unfinished versions). Sony payed Warner and Fox a lot of money to stop backing HD DVD and before they were planning about going HD DVD exclusive...that is why Sony payed them. There is nothing to gain if you buy Blu-Ray...

[benjarni92]

But hd dvd has no good movies so im going for blu ray anyway i have a ps3.

[niyooh]

I think HD DVD has a lot of good movies, but if you don't find the movies you are looking for, then yes...you can do that. But what I believe is that all movies should be made for both formats and definitely HD DVD as it offers so much interactivity and combo DVD's =)

[alphadec007]

What we are taling about is STORAGE!!! so why do the studios try to hurt a cunsumer that have bought one player that is almost the same, on have more storage over the other.

So I like to see th company that only want to support one system could be forced to include a disc FREE OF CHARGE so it can be played on both systems.

[bujoun76]

Heard something crazy! 80 percent of PS3 owners don't know they have a Blu-Ray player built-in(Hi-Def/1080p)! Buy a Blu-Ray movie or two. Works on standard definition TV's and looks absolutely stunning on HDTV's!

[loositude]

I saw the difference in a blind test with the movie 300. Every time I chose the version blu-ray that I found slightly more detailed image on the same comparative. That's why I chose the blu ray. I am not paid or indoctrinated. The price of a movie hd-dvd is the same one that blu-ray, and the price of a reader hd-dvd 1080p not 1080i is the same one that a reader blu ray all of which are 1080p. The rest is just battle of big coorporation on one side or the other

[loositude]

Everyone agrees that the blu-ray is the format of the future. The blu-ray

Wins like storage format for data.Le hd-dvd will soon exceeded that blu ray. The format was superior to beta vhs I hope that history does not repeat the format and that the cheapest way does not win on the best at the technical level.

[loositude]

Supporters of hd-dvd only people charged them to promote their products. Sony is Evil and Toshiba is nice. Paramount has chosen hd-dvd without being paid I am on. ;) Hd-dvd is less expensive to produce, but it costs the same price that blu-ray.

[SuCKeRPunCH187]

toshiba paid paramount to endorse HD DVD 170 million

[nt300]

Sorry, but BD will never be superior to HD DVD, that is just your Sony Blu Blood talking. You know damn well why the extra space and the higher bit rate was required for BD. You have been here long enough to know that. I guarantee you that if I play the same movie on HD DVD or BD (any neutral title) that you COULD NOT see or hear the difference and if you saw a difference, 50-50 that you'd pick the HD DVD version. Of course you won't even believe me because you've been brainwashed.

[moustachio334]

the proofs in the specs dude, I've seen the difference and I sometimes go to circuit city just to watch a blu ray movie maybe it's that toshiba tv's picture quality compared to the bravia playing the blu ray but there's a definate difference between the two formats.

[nt300]

BD does NOT have incomplete specs. BD is selling players that do not meet the specs. BIG difference.

So how many people have Lossless receivers? And they can listen to DD+ and DD5.1.

The BD 1.0 player owners cannot access the DS PIP. There is NO backup up. Not unless they offer a dual encode which would make the valuted BD50 into a BD25.

[nt300]

Basically, Blu-ray was released too early and the consumers who bought the 1.0 profile players are the ones who are going to suffer for this.

The future blu-ray players are not evolution, they are the original design, just not all the specs were worked out at release.

[nt300]

Early adopters of Blu-ray Disc could be so incensed by changes being made to 'their' movie format that they could sue Hollywood studios and hardware makers alike.

This is because many Blu-ray movies being launched next year have interactive menus and other features that take advantage of BD-Video Final Standard Profile 1.1 - a new hardware standard that mandates technology like persistent memory, BD Java and internet connections (optional) that older Blu-ray decks do not have.

[nt300]

This guy has been paid off by Sony. Blu-Ray should have never come out because its not a completed format. Sony is still playing with Profiles. The DVD Forum will NEVER approve Blu-Ray LOLOL

[skyline7658]

I have both hd dvd and blu-ray and i think that blu-ray looks heaps better and there both about the same price now.

[nt300]

That is complete False. Their is no way Blu-Ray is better in PQ & AQ then HD DVD. They are both 100% identicle.

[fraddi]

SO what does FTW, mean again??

[ragegamer2005]

For The Win

[chucknorris687]

I think Blu ray will win in the end, but only if it goes down in price.

[ragegamer2005]

Blu-ray players will come down in price the way the market intended: through competition. With Sharp, Panasonic, Pioneer, and couple others coming out with players this year, some of the best players are selling for $400 or less (including the 40 gig PS3). We might even see a Sub-$300 Blu-ray player close to the holidays.

[nt300]

Not with all their profile issues & incompatabilities. Buy a Blu-Ray player right now regardless of price ($99 to $1000) and you will not be able to access features in newer movies coming in the near future. I call that a Law Suit waiting to happen. HD DVD is a completed format and is compatable with anything with the HD DVD logo on it.

[chucknorris687]

Interesting, but may I ask how do you know all of this? lol

[TheRadiatorHums1]

HD DVD or Blu Ray. I find it funny that everyone on here is choosing blu ray because of space/transfer speed/porn all of these things has no deciding factor on whos going to win. The movie 300 out sold hd dvd and blu ray by a way larger amount then the two combined! so obviously this war is going to go on for a LONG TIME!!!!! Just buy a upconvert or a progressive scan dvd player and wait! or get both. whatever!

[nt300]

Why not just buy a $99 or $169 HD DVD player which already does an amazing job up-scaling SD DVD's. Makes a lot more sense IMO. In order for you to get a great DVD player up-scaler, you will need to spend at least $150. So getting the HD DVD player is the right choice.

[fidapeste]

hd-dvd is nice but blu-ray is so much more great.

[nt300]

Blu-Ray is full of problems. I don't understand people like you. Sony brought out the Blu-Ray format way too early, just to counter Toshiba's HD DVD release, Sony also purchased 20% of MGM studio just so that none of their movies will be released on HD DVD.

I am not saying that Blu-Ray sucks, it is a great format, but its just not finished, its not ready for market, and this is why IMO I think Sony & Blu-Ray will fall victom just like the losing BetaMax format many years ago.

[ShinWR1]

I got a Pioneer CD player for my car and it works well nothing broke yet still plays like I first bought it. Even Sony MP3 CD players last long. I'll have to buy the brands I can trust over Toshiba.

[nt300]

Only one reason why Panasonic went Blu-Ray, and that is Sony paying them off Big Time. After they get there head straight, they will choose the winning HD format HD DVD.

[ragegamer2005]

Winning in what country?

[musicrocker1]

blu-ray BUY-A-THON September 18th buy blu-ray

[bujoun76]

What does this mean? I'v never heard of BUY-A-THON for Blu-Ray anywhere.

[name4u]

Blu-ray's capacity FTW!

[bujoun76]

What is FTW? I see that alot but I have not found out what that means.

[ShinWR1]

Yeah me too what does FTW mean?????

[AgentGhost]

Blu-ray's transfer speeds FTW! Eventually Blu-ray will distance itself in terms of how much data it can transfer per second. For movies the standard is about 50% lead over HD-DVD but Blu-ray Rom will run circles around HD-DVD rom. Due to a higher numerical aperture of the laser, it takes less RPM to achieve the same transfer speed. Also because Blu-ray disc are thinner they will spin faster than HD-DVDs. I expect Blu-ray to have about double the transfer rate as HD-DVDs.

[bujoun76]

Dude I still dont know FTW is. What do the letters stand for?

[AgentGhost]

"For the Win". I would have replied sooner but this is the first time I've seen your question. With regard to Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD. I read every article and bit of news on the matter and trust me. Not only is Blu-ray vastly superior technologically, but it is winning and it will eventually kill off HD-DVD. I wish I had the space to fully explain my point of view.

[masterOFpuppets06]

i will say that: blu-ray dose have the better name

[gatesrocks]

I think Blue Ray sounds cooler and creative too. HD-DVD is so lame.

[wingnut0021]

The reason betamax failed was yes, due to porn. But what else could you watch porn on back then?! There was no internet or popular previous format, VHS was the ONLY format to watch porn. Nowdays you have VHS, DVD and the internet. Blu ray porn will sell a bit but hell it wont be the deciding factor as it was then.

[JFernandez92]

If Sony doesn't let porn on Blue-ray than, one or two things will happen.One: HD-DVD will win or Two: HD-DVD will be here to stay and I really don't want that to happen and I'm sure other people don't also.

[AgentGhost]

Sony is now allowing Porn on BluRay.

[bujoun76]

I have read that there will be 2 more Blu-Ray disc making facilities in Japan just for porn.

[mrseanzee]

blu ray is not the future.

[ScentlessApprentice7]

And What? HD-DVD is? Blu-ray has a hell of a brighter future than HD-DVD. Blockbuster video just announced that they will only rent out Blu Ray films and discontinue renting HD-DVD films, since 70% of HD film rents were on Blu-Ray for the past year and a half.

Accept it and move on to something better...Blu-Ray

[beccagarden]

i agree

[ShadeMovement]

HD always wins, peace.

[dwarfer777]

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[crazysupra]

I can see that alot of people are liking the Blu-ray or liking the HDDVD... Sorry to break it to the HDDVD supporters, but Blu-ray is selling more due to the launch of the PS3. Say whatever you want about the HDDVD selling more players cause PS3 is selling more. And in scandinavia Blu-ray are on display in almost all gaming/dvd stores...HDDVD is nowhere to be found unless you look in special stores. Sony did this right this time...

[JDF1384]

You have a point, but the PS3 isn't selling well at all now and HD players are selling. I personally don't care who wins, I just want my movies in 1080p. I bought into HD because it was cheaper and if it fails I wont be out a grand. There's a lot riding on BR, Sony needs to market better, change pricing and lose some of that "we're the best" arrogance that they have. At my local BB people were in the HD section buying movies but no one was even looking at BR...

[Type59]

Plus blu ray you can burn discs. Correct me if i am wrong but hd dvd just released their recorderable player. Way more expensive.

[Type59]

Heres another arguement for Blu Ray. If you need alot of space theoritically blu ray could hold upto 200gb, wheras hd-dvd maybe 60gb. For gigbyte blu ray is cheaper. If blu ray loses more likely professionals were still use the.

[JDF1384]

Here's a fact, Both formats offer the same quality content. Blu ray costs more because of the extra disc space and because it's sony tech. I just bought an HD-DVD players, it's incredible, 1080p video and uncompressed audio, that's what matters folks. This clip is just sales bs, Go to a retailer (not a best buy) and look at the 2 formats.

[JDF1384]

I have the money to buy both formats and went with HD-DVD, it's a better choice. Ignore the studio backing crap, eventually when sonys exclusive backers see profit more potential with HD-DVD you'll see their titles come to HD-DVD. If HD-DVD does fail, at least the players were inexpensive; if blu ray fails.....well how much did you pay for the pioneer elite?

[JDF1384]

There's 2 reasons why blu ray has the backers, and it has zero to do with the quality of the format. HD-DVD is region free, blu ray is not, studios don't want to lose domestic dollars to overseas retails. Ok as buyers don't we want region free disc? Duh, of coarse we do. The other reason is that supposedly Blu ray discs wont be able to be copied, this was said about DVD's and how easy it to copy a DVD?

[miregazo]

Can someone explain me what is the diffrent between regular DVD and this one!

[LILBRAZ]

Why doesn't anyone learn from the past? VHS and Beta. Everyone should have got together and worked out one format! Now I have to wait until the market decides.

[LessthanJake14]

Is this guy serious? More player choice?! Blu-ray has one player, HD DVD already has 15. I have seen Blu-ray and I must admit it is extremely detailed but it is not supported by many MAJOR Hollywood Studios.

[555TheMAN]

Blu-ray IS supported by major Hollywood studios. You must be confused with HD DVD.

[LessthanJake14]

I have seen Blu-ray now and it looks freaking awesome!

[nico14ian]

Bluray is gonna win!

[superstrokes]

hell yeah

[okiedokie2212]

"It doesn't make sense to have 2 formats-  then why did sony waste their time with bluray. When Hd-dvd is just the next step up on DVD. Morons."

[Gramsu]

Okiedokie, Blu-ray is a step up from DVD too, Blu-ray reads faster, is more resistant to scratchs ands tuff and can hold way more, i think 500g theoretically and 200 gig atm

[coolvids818]

They should call it Blue Gay!

[hmurchison]

Don't get me wrong. I'll eventually buy a Blu-ray if I have to in 2008 to get the content but I'm supporting the option that is more affordable, delivers equal quality and more consumer features (interactivity, region free, mandatory features) That's HD DVD

This guy is ranting about content. That has nothing to do with Blu-ray being a better format intrinsically. If said studios delivered on both platforms he would have no oneto pitch his $1300 player at. The only way

[hmurchison]

Blitzspeed6 doesn't know jack. The only Blu-ray player selling is the Playstation 3. I don't know what this guy is talking about. Pioneers player is nowhere. He's not selling anything. Go look at Amazons top sellers. The A2 HD DVD player is Top 15 ..no Blu-ray players in sight.

[pretender2j]

Yeah, I'll conceed but thats only because everyone who bought an HD-A1 player got sick of audio dropouts, LONG load times, and general not working and had to buy a new player. Also the results are skewed because everone buying an HD DVD player either has to buy the HD-A2 or the HD-XA2. Whereas the sales for Blu-ray are spread over many different players and as such no single player would recieve as many indivdual purchases.

[pretender2j]

After the latest sales results anyone buying into HD DVD is just buying tickets to get on The Titanic AFTER it hit the iceberg. (quote from blitz6speed)

JB

[hmurchison]

Blu-ray can win is by playing dirty. Relying on studio exclusive collusion tactics doesn't make you a winner. It just makes you a better cheater.

[pretender2j]

"Studio exclusive collusion tactics" last time I checked HD DVD has an exclusive studio... not sure what you mean by your statement.

[sinthason]

people who say blu ray suckz.. are just people too poor to buy one... damn haters

[qwerty4197]

HD DVD forever. BD sux

[rapbase]

Blu-Ray FTW!

[behemoko2]

Blu-Ray FTW!

[grendelprime]

So how exactly does it benefit the customer?

All I've heard is how the studios will reap rewards from the higher priced components and media and the move vicious DRM Blu-ray adores.

[pojoWRX]

Pioneer ftw

[MLJA]

good points

[hmurchison]

bullshit

[pretender2j]

Ah, no, everything he said is correct, murch. The only people who are bullshiting in this war is the HD DVD represntitives from Microsoft (Amir), Toshiba (you), and as always the fanboys. BTW do you recognise my name? :D Call me a fool will you.

[JDF1384]

I just bought a HD DVD player, aside from the extra data the BRD holds, HD-DVD offers the same quality, 1080p, Dolby true HD, and there will be a firmware update for DTS MA. Why people are spending all that money on blu ray is beyond me. Studios backing? please.

[freeweed]

Nice