@SeaWolfe59 I sailed a M-28 many years ago - a very nice boat. Have you posted any vidoes of it yet? I'd love to see it. The one I sailed was number 73, mostly on Tampa Bay.
@gotasea The M-30 and M-30/2 are completely different animals - with the main similarity perhaps being the builder, and the name. ;-) The M-30 was a CCA design, and the M-30/2 was an IOR design. They look, sail, and feel, completely different.
No - but I can't imagine that boat would sail very well to windward. It's basically a Clipper 31 with added weight and windage - and sailing performance was well down the list of attributes. The Clipper 31 was not a great boat.
I'm more familiar with the Clipper line. Clipper's were built lightly (to stay trailerbale and cheap), and were not great sailing boats. The 31 - in particular - was very narrow (8' beam IIRC), and lightly built. The Harstad used the Clipper hull, but added a higher profile cabin, hard top, and more cruisy stuff. They pretty much gave up trying to make it sail, and went for ammenities on what remained a large trailerable package.
@tommot9 Actually, the Harstad sails well on a close haul, which is strange given its sail compliment. I have sailed her over many months to Catalina Island and back, and I can tell you that, although she is really the same sailer as the Clipper 32, she sails well! I would suspect that the Clipper 32 sails better than you claim, too.
@tomperanteau The term sails well is rather subjective. To put a number to it: The Base PHRF rating for a Clipper 32 is 270 seconds per mile - which is only six seconds per mile faster than a Catalina 22, and slower than most boats of her size.
The Harstad would be rated slower than the Cliipper.
@tommot9 We're talking subjectively here. When I say that she sails well I am referring to the overall experience and not just the speed. In fact if you use empirical data, the Clipper 32 comes in at a DP-N of 95.8, which calculates to around 243 seconds per mile. Slow? By the standards of a race boat, but the Harstad 31 is a great sailing boat because she can be sailed single-handedly and has a high motion comfort rating (27.7), as well as a high capsize ratio (1.6). It's not all about speed.
Agree. We ARE talking subjectively. And subjectively speaking, I doubt many sailors would agree with you that the Harstad/Clipper is a GREAT sailing boat. Instead, most would consider it to be a maxi-trailerable boat that offers standing headroom, maximizes interior volume within the necessarily trailerable limits of her narrow beam, and otherwise offers a big package at an affordable price. And, yes, when I say it doesn't sail well, I am only referring to its speed relative to its peers.
The Morgan 28 is great! I sailed frequently on an M-28 during my childhood and teen years, and admired that boat greatly.. The interior is nearly identical to my M-30, and you'll love the way she sails! Good luck - and Sail On!
We ended up with the Morgan. Very happy. She's a nice sail. Fixing her up and adding our own touches now. Really want a furling system for the genoa. But that's for another day.
The bottom of the companionway actually has a short raised section that adequately contains all the water that eventually comes over the coamings when the boat is laid down. Then, only a splash of water gets below as the water cascades over the seats and down onto the cokpit sole and rolls aft as the boat regains her footing.
Had there been significant seas - I would have certainly placed the boards in the companionway.
Nice boat! I have a 1969 Morgan 28.
SeaWolfe59 1 year ago
@SeaWolfe59 I sailed a M-28 many years ago - a very nice boat. Have you posted any vidoes of it yet? I'd love to see it. The one I sailed was number 73, mostly on Tampa Bay.
tommot9 1 year ago
@tommot9
This is all I have posted so far. Im just getting started on the boat. Its in rough shape.
/watch?v=dCnvfIObKDw
I also sail on Tampa Bay.
SeaWolfe59 1 year ago
great video! so thats an M30 how similar is that to a M30-2 do you know. thanks
gotasea 2 years ago
@gotasea The M-30 and M-30/2 are completely different animals - with the main similarity perhaps being the builder, and the name. ;-) The M-30 was a CCA design, and the M-30/2 was an IOR design. They look, sail, and feel, completely different.
tommot9 1 year ago
Have seen you out there a number of times sailing. I crew from time to time on Sandy Cay. Always have admired her lines. See you out there.
Sailtome 2 years ago
But... Have any of you sailed a Harstad 31 on a close haul?
tomperanteau 2 years ago
No - but I can't imagine that boat would sail very well to windward. It's basically a Clipper 31 with added weight and windage - and sailing performance was well down the list of attributes. The Clipper 31 was not a great boat.
tommot9 2 years ago
So, you are familiar with the Harstad? This is amazing. What do you know about the Harstad?
tomperanteau 2 years ago
I'm more familiar with the Clipper line. Clipper's were built lightly (to stay trailerbale and cheap), and were not great sailing boats. The 31 - in particular - was very narrow (8' beam IIRC), and lightly built. The Harstad used the Clipper hull, but added a higher profile cabin, hard top, and more cruisy stuff. They pretty much gave up trying to make it sail, and went for ammenities on what remained a large trailerable package.
tommot9 2 years ago
@tommot9 Actually, the Harstad sails well on a close haul, which is strange given its sail compliment. I have sailed her over many months to Catalina Island and back, and I can tell you that, although she is really the same sailer as the Clipper 32, she sails well! I would suspect that the Clipper 32 sails better than you claim, too.
tomperanteau 1 year ago
@tomperanteau The term sails well is rather subjective. To put a number to it: The Base PHRF rating for a Clipper 32 is 270 seconds per mile - which is only six seconds per mile faster than a Catalina 22, and slower than most boats of her size.
The Harstad would be rated slower than the Cliipper.
tommot9 1 year ago
@tommot9 We're talking subjectively here. When I say that she sails well I am referring to the overall experience and not just the speed. In fact if you use empirical data, the Clipper 32 comes in at a DP-N of 95.8, which calculates to around 243 seconds per mile. Slow? By the standards of a race boat, but the Harstad 31 is a great sailing boat because she can be sailed single-handedly and has a high motion comfort rating (27.7), as well as a high capsize ratio (1.6). It's not all about speed.
tomperanteau 1 year ago
Agree. We ARE talking subjectively. And subjectively speaking, I doubt many sailors would agree with you that the Harstad/Clipper is a GREAT sailing boat. Instead, most would consider it to be a maxi-trailerable boat that offers standing headroom, maximizes interior volume within the necessarily trailerable limits of her narrow beam, and otherwise offers a big package at an affordable price. And, yes, when I say it doesn't sail well, I am only referring to its speed relative to its peers.
tommot9 1 year ago
Cool video. Well done. With any luck, we'll be the proud owners of a '69 Morgan 28 in a about week. Can't wait!
ZipTumbleFast 2 years ago
The Morgan 28 is great! I sailed frequently on an M-28 during my childhood and teen years, and admired that boat greatly.. The interior is nearly identical to my M-30, and you'll love the way she sails! Good luck - and Sail On!
tommot9 2 years ago
We ended up with the Morgan. Very happy. She's a nice sail. Fixing her up and adding our own touches now. Really want a furling system for the genoa. But that's for another day.
ZipTumbleFast 2 years ago
So nice! Wish I had my own Sailboat to do the same! best luck!
darioneselvatico 2 years ago
Thanks for the comment, Scott!
The bottom of the companionway actually has a short raised section that adequately contains all the water that eventually comes over the coamings when the boat is laid down. Then, only a splash of water gets below as the water cascades over the seats and down onto the cokpit sole and rolls aft as the boat regains her footing.
Had there been significant seas - I would have certainly placed the boards in the companionway.
tommot9 3 years ago