philosophy on the waterfront

[KingMe1220]

I think your tripod may be a tad bit crooked.

[emblemOFbeing]

A satisfying side path for thought, ty

One of my fav Husserl quotes:

'The flow of the consciousness that constitutes immanent time not only *exists* but is so remarkably and yet intelligibly fashioned that a self-appearance of the flow necessarily exists in it, and therefore the flow itself must necessaily be apprehensible in the flowing. The self-appearance of the flow does not require a second flow; on the contrary, it constitutes itself as a phenomenon in itself." Husserl Lectures on ITC

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[j1mmusj4mmus]

like the idea of continually being forgiven and so not being weighed down but our conscience is there for a reason so we are responsible for our actions

[flyinghamster9]

interesting.... delivery decent..., method is thorough, but seems inconclusive

concerning "higher order thought", seems rather bivalent when concerned with awareness of self... is it not likely that our observing selves organize orders of thoughts in a relativistic sense (such as higher than or less than) rather than in an absolute? perhaps symbolism plays a pivotal role in cross-thought-order transition? there are quite a few fascinating directions this can go...

[tanist2]

You have me. Glad to have subscribed. Cheers!

[mothachugga]

this is some clever shit - listen carefully @zackindy the truth can be found in this drunken madman's rantings - he has a point and A BIG ONE - one day i imagine we will admire this guy.

[zackindy312]

Is free will something that all people have? What about a person who is mental ill? How do you know you have free will in ALL of your actions? Does God have free will?

[mothachugga]

@zackindy312 you are not interesting - you're ideas are - forget you - share the thinking

[Toracube]

my head hurts...

I get experiences of nothing when I listen to Celine Dion's music... A zen like state that I don't think the Buddhists have even got close to.

Great vid. I could be a Christian Philosopher too, God help me...

[ForceMajeure360]

'grrrr....get off my lawn!! ' jk jk....

[choline500]

i am not clear about how the experience of the loss of self is related to your discussion of higher order thought. Higher order thoght is an awareness of a lower order thought not lower order experience. When you said the content of the lower order state could be nothing, you simply beg the question. How could the content be nothing? If the content is empty, how can you even "think" about it? If the content is empty,it can' neither be the object of first nor of second order thought.

[choline500]

Interior state is ambiguous. you need to specify in what sense the state is interior. passion has nothing to do with the concept of truth. Passion usually doesn't have propositional content unlike desires and beliefs, so can't be evaluated as true or false. In some sense, we are infallible about our own mental state. Pain is a typical example. The occurance of it is at the same time an awareness of it. There is no gap between appearance and reality. Higher order thought is much more complex.

[cmdeane]

kierkegaard is referencing one of the gospels in this statement where jesus walks by the aforementioned man and his discourse on his own righteousness for public display

good video great insight

[kimlea69]

wish you would come over to Facebook....kim

[selvmordspilot]

Interesting video.

Concerning the last bit about consciousness, most accounts i've heard of meditation correspond very well with the state you're describing.. Also, I wonder if this higher order thought is: "It is what it is.". Though Sartre might've had a problem accepting that.

[ihaveopposablethumbs]

The only god is within, and that's not really god, but yourself.

As far as renewal and forgiveness goes, we do this for ourselves...  if I hurt some one, I make amends with them.. cut out the middle man.

[RamzGT]

we choose to renew ourselves... God/Jesus is within us as a concept.

politics is religion, and science is spirituality!

[selvmordspilot]

@RamzGT : i'm sorry, but i have to lol

[douglasmacjames]

i suppose yu are joking, NY is the worst capital for philosophy ! easy,philosophy is not for american people. what is born is usa : Ronald Mac Donalds and Henry Ford ...

[thekkl]

When I first heard that Philosophy is nothing but the talk on a cereal box, I knew they were wrong. While I still haven't truly changed my opinion, it seems that no supposed philosophy discussions nowadays are worth ten cents.

[riethc]

It's funny how all these philosophers you mention appeal to the emotions and subjectivity when it comes to proving their points. Eloquent navel gazing seems to be the habit of the modern great thinkers.

[untropezon]

All I see here is an animal who, astonished at his ability to reason and imagine, and unable to understand how this came to be, projects his mental products into into outward abstract forms of 'existence'.

Having thus abused the term ex(!)istence, he becomes entangled by it's purported blurred meaning of the concept, and consequently incapable of distinguishing his own thoughts from outward material existence.

Mystical much?

Epistemology anyone?

[srspower]

You sound as though you are trying to define free will. In the real world before the discovery of multiverses and alternate dimensions in our own universe an athiest would have to say:-

"I have no free will i am the sum of my parts, a machine that acts the way it does pre ordained by nature/nurture"

However multi dimensional psyhics suggests every action and decision we make is played out in a alternate reality. Therefore we are surfing reality and do indeed have free will.

[DanFrederiksen]

but what occupies me the most in my current spiritual state is that we seem to be invited to partake in a spiritual growth and critically, one that seems to be open ended in potential. that self awareness and faint philosophy about that is not the ultimate achievement but that the ceiling is infinitely higher. indeed includes levitation, teleportation, invisibility, mind control, rejuvination, eternal life, ascendence, resurrection. that these fantastic things appear to be literally possible.

[DanFrederiksen]

some pretty good thougths. I would suggest however that in the case of the tax collector we are not talking about a different kind of truth because it is simply true that the tax collector was sincere whereas the other was concerned with appearances. truth is truth independent of appearance.

and of course we have what you call radical freedom. that awareness comes with self awareness. I am, I act. and with that comes great responsibility subject to judgment.

[Israe5l]

Maybe, you can rewrite the existential/essential divide as physical/linguistic. Doesn't sound right but thats my two cents.

[cciemail]

you don't have to have religion to get that sort of renewal thing. You can't wash away all your "sins". That would make you arrogant or sanctimonious. I think you'd do better by just learning from your mistakes and moving on.

[tomitstube]

"christian philosophy"? so you're trying to make sense out of make believe? wow, who would be foolish enough to debate this nonsense?

watching religious people continually pound a square into a circle hole is really getting old.

[nickringer]

i admit once you started talking about free will and determinism i just skipped through the video to see if you would jump

[blazednlovinit]

i'm religious and scientific, and welcome discussions like this, even if i do find it difficult to always follow, alot of rewinding happened there (Can i get a RE-WIND?)

[lagopeter]

the last few seconds are a bit of a cliffhanger...

[WoodlandRavah]

The extent to which Truth is subjective to an individual is tied to the extent that One is not aware of potential truths. If one belives only one path has validity and all others as probable false hoods, how can said individual perceive anything outside of what they've been told...Truth is subjective to the extent that you can verify it, just cause one feels something deeply does'nt mean it's "truth". [Damn materialism...Deep Thoughts]

[seanotube85]

I like the idea of God as a convenience, a sort of thought in the back of my head that appears whenever I need mental healing of some sort. I dislike doctrines that go along with this word, "God" that would have my mind influenced into believing a religious ideology or dogma. I understand that God is an important character in many stories, but that's certainly not the "God" that I think of when I think about mental comfort. The mental comfort "God" is one that I made up specifically for myself.

[DMBPRODUCTIONS]

We can not remove the yoke from the egg and still have a chicken, INLAKECH

[Paxmax]

mmmh what? I'm sorry I lost connection at that 'god' word... you are confusing a evolutionary advantageous physical/emotional response to heights with semi-irrational thought patterns.

[Vire70]

All of that basically equated to saying you can give up on feeling responsible for your actions. Why should you, if god is just going to forgive everything (regardless of context) anyway?

Such an egocentric concept, like most of religion. You pray to your invisible being for forgiveness because you lack the courage to seek forgiveness from those whom you have truly wronged.

You can call it empowering... I'd rather call it a cowardly escape from your own guilt.

[superwhuffo1]

I'm afraid fear has created, invented all of the religions throughout the world...fear, or lack of courage, drives the processes that create religions, and then these belief systems are programmed into others genetically, biologically, and environmentally. All efforts to go beyond self only builds the self. The acts of will to be or not to be are in the same boat...everything that thought creates in the real of religion is only a projection of conditioning.

search: The Dawn of Intelligence.

[kokopelli314]

Yes, I's easy to see that for folks who come to recognize their freedom, while still carrying the specter of the homunculus, a nausea and terror could easily emerge. With the recognition of the interconnectedness of all beings, and further all things or, as Thomas Berry, so poetically encapsulated the observation "The universe is a communion of subjects, not a collection of objects.", Freedom is liberation.

[DonVoghano]

God is the platonic eidos of the master, the tyranny of whom we accept in light of his purported perfection. But however perfect His commands may be, it is still just tyranny, it is still the epitome of immorality to command, and wretched slavery to obey an arbitrary authority of whom we cannot grasp the justifications. Jesus, in trying to accommodate universal tyranny with universal love went completely mad, as very well documented by the gospels.

[DonVoghano]

@DonVoghano The schizophrenia of Jesus accompanies all Christian thinkers, torn between this dissonance between Father and Son, and turns them all into sorry sophists. I suggest a third way: get rid of the Father, understand the deep emotional struggle of the Son and surpass him by reaching the core of your ethical capacity. You can never be moral until you cling to the Father, you'll just be insane like Jesus or a hypocritical sophist like o-so-many "Christians."

[SeventhSun]

And make that fugly farang.

[SeventhSun]

Why do I get an invite from you from out of the blue? Who the hell is this?

I think your parents are cool and interesting unlike a bloody farang like you that they call their kid. I'd rather talk to them instead.

[warlockboyburns]

hickory dickory dock

[warlockboyburns]

spaghetti

[Debatabletator]

Your line of though is hard to follow as it is,

please make it easier for me by taking care of the technical side of the lecture.

(sound & video quality, comfortable settings... take in notice that i use the YouTube "auto caption" or "audio transcribe" option)

Thank you for investing your time in your audience

[tk0145]

Please make the camera level with the ground, it just makes it hard to watch when the camera is tilted.

[LoneMonk1]

Guided by an interior stance or passion, that sounds like some of the supernatural dreams that I have had. Whether these dreams reflect real encounters with God or merely my subconscious imagination, who can say with absolute certainty, but clearly my dreams have life altering effects for me and definitely I feel as if these dreams have had a certain reality beyond my mere imagination alone.

[Debatabletator]

@LoneMonk1

Lets say there is a meaning to your highly passionate dream, what is it?

it is very hard to take these subjective experiences and emplace a logical criticism.

A hard and inevitable self debate,

only afterward can you allow yourself to be imprinted with the new idea.

A new idea must be refined before one can embrace it

[LoneMonk1]

@Debatabletator Yes, very true, the debate rages into open war in dreams. Yet, I often flee from the dark oppressive forces in my dreams and seek a refuge, a place of sanctuary, where I can refine myself. Yet in the depths of my being, I find not the isolation and alienation that modern world promises, but a friendship and love so deep that no worldly passion can compare. I am not alone and neither are you. The devine is all around me and it compells me to embrace this awesome refinement.

[JunkmanJim]

OK, you invite people to be friends but don't respond to comments. Maybe this is the finest example of how you project your view onto the world rather than accept how it really functions.

[myjizzureye]

Die in a fire fag

[warlockboyburns]

@myjizzureye well said

[myjizzureye]

@warlockboyburns Why thankyou sir

[trefod]

If you really want to explore Kierkegaards leap into the unknown, where you come face to face with yourself, your own existence and complete freedom with all the personal responsibility that entails, try being an atheist.

[Jcolinsol]

@trefod

Been there, done that, it's boring.

[Valelacerte]

Thanks for the invite, nycphilosophy, although I am not quite sure why you invited me.

[MentalAtheist]

Sorry... I must disagree entirely.

Passion over what you feel bears little truth in reality. This is not to say that “feelings” are divorced from reason. But if you believe in something thats wrong, feeling passionately about it can't change that.

And the pure freedom that you speak of comes at the cost of madness. This freedom goes against the human condition. We are conditioned and evolved to instinctively avoid pain and embrace life.

[chrisofnottingham]

I gave up after a minute or so, redefining words so that you can use them in sentences that sound profound but which would otherwise be wrong deceives yourself as much as anyone else.

I define Truth to be a mug of coffee and can thus say that right now I am drinking deep from the vessel of truth.

[floatingcompassmedia]

On occasion, I get these lengthy flashes that give me a feeling like "everything will be ok". ..like a kid on Christmas Eve. Something crawls inside of me, I swear my heart races...feel a little sick and one hundred percent painfully sensitive.. Anxiety Attacks?

You were talking about this?

[Sherwulff]

For two days after the Frenchman climbed the NY Times building, I had pangs of terror as I laid in my bed trying to sleep at night. I subsequently went to visit a friend who just moved into the 14th floor of a building here in Charlotte, and felt strangely and irrationaly compelled to jump off the balcony (which of course, resulted in more insomnia). Thanks for your explantion of fear of heights in relation to Sartre as this, no bullshitting aside, begins to help me understand my new phobia.