I think MCMAP is purely theoretical and compared to other martial arts, totally ineffective. It ranks up there with karate in practicality. Can anyone give a legitimate argument to this statement because I've thought about this for a long time.
@NepolianZeeBean well, if there was a more practical way, dont u think they would use it? this isnt a sport fight, their lives are on the line, so simply the fact that they actively put their lives on the line for the MA is enough for me, that and the techniques are plausible when practiced consistantly (like any other MA)
@NepolianZeeBean Honestly, every Marine I've met has told me the same. MCMAP is simply so you can go into combat without being completely defenseless in the event that it goes into close quarters combat. At least until you get up to Black Belt of course.
@NepolianZeeBean To be honest, MCMAP is no comparison to any of the real martial arts. It is simply teaching very basic fighting just in case a Marine were to fall into a hand to hand combat situation. In boot camp, all they taught us was the lead hand punch, rear hand punch, a couple take downs and the chokes. Now, you learn some pretty cool stuff once you get to green belt that would help in a street fight against someone your own size.
Osoto Gari looks much better, because in the reap, there is a big chance that your opponent can grab your shirt in the midair, and take you down with him. Worst is that it is easy to turn and reverse your position in mid air, so can opponent can actually slam you to the ground with your own technique. I'd prefer to use Uchi Mata, or the Side Sweep take down from Sambo.
i would just be like ......oh shit its a bad guy....*takes out a twix*.... and then all of a sudden... Chuck MUTHAFUCKIN norris walks out with .50 cal and hip fires that shit all over the place....*end of twix*.... then i go on with my day... :)
lol navy seal its a basic leg reap take down... call it whatever the fuck u want in other languages. its a VERY basic MMA move that i learnt very early in my training and they do not have to be moving for it to work as u can just rotate them as u reap the leg putting them off balance and they fall over with or without momentum, and i think its probably the worst take down my dojo teaches and there will be many many variations to it.
This is correct, O Soto Gari is a sweeping motion with the foot, whereas Ko Soto Gake is a hook, keeping your foot either stationary and driving forward or wrapping around their foot and bringing them down.
MCMAP is way better than what the Royal Marines do. I just watched one of their videos on hand to hand combat and it looked like they were trying to do pro wrestling
This move isn't ineffective. Randy coutoure teaches this same move and I used it during sparring. Where did you come up with such beliefs? You just felt like criticizing someone?
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kinda sad to see such ineffective moves being taught to our armed forces.
1. both your opponents hands are free, he could easily punch you or grab hold of you neck or shirt and take you down with him.
2. if your opponent bends his hips forward, you instantly lose leverage.
3.a quick upward lift of your opponents knee would easily hit you in groin and take you down. which would also be the NATURAL reaction for your opponent when you try to use this.
1st of all you need to realize that what they train our armed forces needs to be easily learned and quickly applied in a war setting. Harai-Goshi is a great throw but your not going to learn in in a few weeks of boot camp as with many other takedowns from other style's Sambo, greco etc.
2nd ..for all moves there are counters and what counts is how effective you can be with a given learned skill set. I love when people execute this poorly and I bury them with an Uchi-mata.
@USMCfosho At full force, the recipient hitting any surface other than mud or sand will likely be out cold, in mud = stuck like glue, sand = stunned. Finish is rifle or pistol rounds, or bayonet thrust. What MMA types do not intellectually grasp is that MCMAP is designed as a lethal system with a non-lethal optional result. The choke is not the finisher, the KBar to the heart is. MMA types can not do in the cage what a vast majority of MCMAP entails.
Sorry realmasterchief, I just noticed after watching this again. i think the reason that they trip with the leg inside rather than an outside sweep like you said to use is because of the knee. If you pause at :28, you'll notice the ball of the foot is on the back of the knee. If you get hit in the back of the knee you will fall, and thats what theyre hitting. Like in MMA fights they try to kick the back of the knee because it is easy to make them fall just by hittin it.
Wouldn't it make more sense to trip them with your right leg if they're on your right? Just stick your right leg behind them, then push then and sweep them at the same time.
I know what youre saying, but no. I dont know why, but do you think that the United States Military would teach its marines anything but the most effective takedowns? it must have some purpose. probably to prevent a counter or evasion by spawling. This move works well for anyone, unless their hunched over and in a ready position like a wrestler, in which case, i'd go with an open hand around their neck right below the chin.
da hell is the science crap? I aint gonna think of this crap while im fighting
abdihassanawali 1 month ago in playlist mcmap
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JonOlavEinemo2 2 months ago
I wonder what happens if they reap each-other
lawlwutful 3 months ago
I think MCMAP is purely theoretical and compared to other martial arts, totally ineffective. It ranks up there with karate in practicality. Can anyone give a legitimate argument to this statement because I've thought about this for a long time.
NepolianZeeBean 5 months ago
@NepolianZeeBean well, if there was a more practical way, dont u think they would use it? this isnt a sport fight, their lives are on the line, so simply the fact that they actively put their lives on the line for the MA is enough for me, that and the techniques are plausible when practiced consistantly (like any other MA)
kapoof2 4 months ago
@NepolianZeeBean Honestly, every Marine I've met has told me the same. MCMAP is simply so you can go into combat without being completely defenseless in the event that it goes into close quarters combat. At least until you get up to Black Belt of course.
BlitzkreigYYZ 4 months ago
@NepolianZeeBean To be honest, MCMAP is no comparison to any of the real martial arts. It is simply teaching very basic fighting just in case a Marine were to fall into a hand to hand combat situation. In boot camp, all they taught us was the lead hand punch, rear hand punch, a couple take downs and the chokes. Now, you learn some pretty cool stuff once you get to green belt that would help in a street fight against someone your own size.
jcdfbdus 1 month ago
its harder in real life to do correctly but the reap defense is simpler...kinda
mbc14k 6 months ago
Rip off of judo, di ashi harai
greenbay357 6 months ago
Osoto Gari looks much better, because in the reap, there is a big chance that your opponent can grab your shirt in the midair, and take you down with him. Worst is that it is easy to turn and reverse your position in mid air, so can opponent can actually slam you to the ground with your own technique. I'd prefer to use Uchi Mata, or the Side Sweep take down from Sambo.
aj27117 7 months ago
It Looks Like Two T-1000 Doing Gross, Inappropriate Things To Each Other....
AND I DO NOT WANT TO BE A PART OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheReconer 7 months ago in playlist Human Weapon
Lol I once did a dubble legged reap, it was awesome.
muppetowner 7 months ago
I guess someone was watching this episode before I fought them. Too bad I did too, and treated it like that one takedown from the side kick. Lawlz.
Cagedand3nRaged 8 months ago
The Marines have it backwards this is actually a small outer hook not a reap and it s Brown Belt Throw in Judo The Program still has miles to go.
MsMarinecorps 9 months ago
"the reap"
THE RAPE
Lawdrun 1 year ago 3
@Lawdrun Grow up dipshit.
USMCMichaels 11 months ago
@USMCMichaels sorry
Lawdrun 11 months ago
0:22 Kiss scene!
firefoxdw 1 year ago
@NavySEALxRay (Ditto)
ronnieedmond 1 year ago
i would just be like ......oh shit its a bad guy....*takes out a twix*.... and then all of a sudden... Chuck MUTHAFUCKIN norris walks out with .50 cal and hip fires that shit all over the place....*end of twix*.... then i go on with my day... :)
AMERICANEAGLE77AB 1 year ago
lol navy seal its a basic leg reap take down... call it whatever the fuck u want in other languages. its a VERY basic MMA move that i learnt very early in my training and they do not have to be moving for it to work as u can just rotate them as u reap the leg putting them off balance and they fall over with or without momentum, and i think its probably the worst take down my dojo teaches and there will be many many variations to it.
Elkul 1 year ago
this throw is called Osoto gake (Osoto, not KOsoto). i usually do it practicing judo.
Kosoto gake is a sweep, not a throw.
pablorocchi 1 year ago
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JustGuess500 1 year ago
kosotogari not osotogari there is a huge difference !!!!!
vcj13 1 year ago
this is a very effective and flexible technique
grantsdaman01 1 year ago
I learned this in judo
Shadow2271 2 years ago
osotogari
jesumerci 2 years ago
no its kosotogari or kosotogake
khopskins 2 years ago
thats not osotogari. Osotogari is the outer reaping throw. This is more like an Kosoto Gake.
TangomanX2008 2 years ago 19
@TangomanX2008
This is correct, O Soto Gari is a sweeping motion with the foot, whereas Ko Soto Gake is a hook, keeping your foot either stationary and driving forward or wrapping around their foot and bringing them down.
Chozo003 2 years ago
@jesumerci
basicallly ya lol just osoto is done with the rear leg generalllyyyy
kaoruhotarubi 1 year ago
MCMAP is way better than what the Royal Marines do. I just watched one of their videos on hand to hand combat and it looked like they were trying to do pro wrestling
knrblk 2 years ago
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WeAreAnonymousX 2 years ago
its not the style its the fighter
DWrules 2 years ago
and that is how i got my ass kicked for the first time
blackeye240 2 years ago
krav maga is better
magicshrimp 2 years ago
Ostogari?
fucking idiots
judopathoftruth 2 years ago
Hey... These are Americans not Japanese.
DOSU344 2 years ago
exactly....:)
judopathoftruth 2 years ago
I would suggest getting underhooks to try this to control his hips so that you dont get tossed from a counter
samuraii101 2 years ago
Maybe can be counter by sccisor takedown in sambo
anato64 3 years ago 2
bill sucks at fighting,
i coulnt stop laughing when he punched
the karate guy in the face in the karate episode lmao
y8sroxx 3 years ago 13
@y8sroxx
What do you excpect from aformer football player? :)
But he sorta makes the programme worth it as well.
OrigamiMotion 5 months ago in playlist awesome
@y8sroxx pankration*
xManOfZion 5 months ago in playlist Human Weapon
p.s
They use this in wrestling too
DillonsMusic 3 years ago
This move is very effective.
Have an experienced fighter try it on you.
DillonsMusic 3 years ago
This move isn't ineffective. Randy coutoure teaches this same move and I used it during sparring. Where did you come up with such beliefs? You just felt like criticizing someone?
leorosa 3 years ago
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kinda sad to see such ineffective moves being taught to our armed forces.
1. both your opponents hands are free, he could easily punch you or grab hold of you neck or shirt and take you down with him.
2. if your opponent bends his hips forward, you instantly lose leverage.
3.a quick upward lift of your opponents knee would easily hit you in groin and take you down. which would also be the NATURAL reaction for your opponent when you try to use this.
420artemis420 3 years ago
@ 420artemis420
1) You'd only use that if they are unaware your going to do it. If you used any other time then you'd be right.
2) If he bends forward, use that to your advantage and send him in that direction.
3) Maybe so, but if done quick enough on an unaware opponent, they won't have the time to react.
TheHaloSavager 3 years ago 2
1st of all you need to realize that what they train our armed forces needs to be easily learned and quickly applied in a war setting. Harai-Goshi is a great throw but your not going to learn in in a few weeks of boot camp as with many other takedowns from other style's Sambo, greco etc.
2nd ..for all moves there are counters and what counts is how effective you can be with a given learned skill set. I love when people execute this poorly and I bury them with an Uchi-mata.
samuraii101 2 years ago
@420artemis420
1. yeah. both his hands are free but you are leg sweeping and pushing him at the same time. in this video. they do it slowly to avoid internal damage.
2. if he throws his hips forward, it gives you leverage to slam him down harder to the side instead of straight back.
3. the REAP happens way too fast for anybody to have the reactions to knee sombody while being leg sweeped and pushed backwards.
USMCfosho 2 years ago
@USMCfosho At full force, the recipient hitting any surface other than mud or sand will likely be out cold, in mud = stuck like glue, sand = stunned. Finish is rifle or pistol rounds, or bayonet thrust. What MMA types do not intellectually grasp is that MCMAP is designed as a lethal system with a non-lethal optional result. The choke is not the finisher, the KBar to the heart is. MMA types can not do in the cage what a vast majority of MCMAP entails.
Robbob9933 8 months ago
bro, idk bout u i dont kick dudes in tha nuts. only if its life or death will i!
n8vySEALspwn247 2 years ago
u dumbass...you dont kick them in the nuts...you take your leg and sweep it behind theirs and push
Clinto2011 2 years ago
where the heck do u c them kicking someone on the nuts?????????
runeantonio2 2 years ago
Sorry realmasterchief, I just noticed after watching this again. i think the reason that they trip with the leg inside rather than an outside sweep like you said to use is because of the knee. If you pause at :28, you'll notice the ball of the foot is on the back of the knee. If you get hit in the back of the knee you will fall, and thats what theyre hitting. Like in MMA fights they try to kick the back of the knee because it is easy to make them fall just by hittin it.
TripleNipple3 3 years ago
Wouldn't it make more sense to trip them with your right leg if they're on your right? Just stick your right leg behind them, then push then and sweep them at the same time.
realmasterchief 3 years ago
I know what youre saying, but no. I dont know why, but do you think that the United States Military would teach its marines anything but the most effective takedowns? it must have some purpose. probably to prevent a counter or evasion by spawling. This move works well for anyone, unless their hunched over and in a ready position like a wrestler, in which case, i'd go with an open hand around their neck right below the chin.
TripleNipple3 3 years ago
damn what belt is this
MOS0311 4 years ago
Gray
08devildog0311 3 years ago