I'm not sure how you can post this titled as you have and not address what mormons DO believe as opposed to what we saw in the cartoon. More over, you don't seem to wish to address the racist belief that black people were the result of a curse.. that also explains why Smith in the book of mormon describes black people as shiftless, idle and sneaky.
Was that portion of the cartoon.. inaccurate? Was Lucifer Christ's brother in your belief system?
MK12:20,24 Now there were 7 brethren: and the 1st took a wife, and dying left no seed. And the 2nd took her, and died, neither left he any seed: and the third likewise. And the 7 had her, and left no seed: last of all the woman died also. In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? . And Jesus answering said unto them, For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
You validate your religion by chopping out all the insanity and basically describing it as Christianity...address the actual beliefs that the cartoon addresses and shoot them down...if they are so silly...why?
@northmemphis48 I will, have a wife in heaven, that is. I do know that and that is one of the most beautiful doctrines to me, that families can be together forever. There are two lesser heavens where there will be no wives and children together. They are called the Terrestrial and Telestial Kingdoms of heaven. I don't want that option.
@mormonanswerman not according to the bible MARK 12:24 I NEVER SAID FAMILIES WAS NOT GOING TO BE TOGETHER THERE WILL BE NO HUSBAND & WIFE UNION IN HEAVEN NO SEX GOING ON IN HEAVEN .THAT'S WHY WE ARE MADE LIKE ANGELS TO PUT ON OUR GLORIFIED BODIES ANGELS DO NOT GIVE AND TAKE IN MARRIAGE NEITHER DO WE IN HEAVEN .
@mormonanswerman Again my brother families shall be together but no marriage union between man and women we have a new ''ROLES'' there is only one wedding that is marriage supper of the lamb and were his bride Meaning= that we have not given over to SATAN.you shall not have earthly feelings of SEX,HUNGER,DEATH,SORROW, OR LONELINESS.BUT be a new creation ,EYES HAVE NOT SEEN HEARS HAVE NOT HEARD NEITHER HAVE IT COME INTO THE HEARTS OF MEN WHAT THE LORD HAS PREPARED 4 THOSE WHO LOVE HIM.
@northmemphis48 That sounds like a good OPINION you have said, but you don't know any better than I know, as a person, and so I refer to MODERN REVELATION on the matter of eternal families, temple marriage, etc. I defer to the issue that you need to find out, like I have, that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God. There are just as many people saying he was a true prophet as those who are saying he was not. However, those that say they know he IS, have prayed about it. They do know.
@mormonanswerman my reply below was meant for you, anyways, anyways, the arguments that critics make against our beliefs, actually apply to them. Its called hypocrisy.
@mormonanswerman - Matthew 22:30 says it pretty plain - ἐν γὰρ τῇ ἀναστάσει οὔτε γαμοῦσιν οὔτε ἐκγαμίζονται, ἀλλ᾽ ὡς ἄγγελοι τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐν οὐρανῷ εἰσιν - For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. I see nothing in the original language about a lesser Heaven....
@MustangMinistries2 guys like "MustangMinistries2" try to disproof Mormonism, so they can feel better about their own beliefs. However, when I ask them, why according to them, the Bible is true, and not the Book of Mormon, I always get circular logic answer. They can't even demonstrate why our religion is false, and theirs is right according to them. But I know that our religion, Mormonism is true, and correct because of personal evidence.
@TheSkepticChristian I didn't realize you had asked why I believe the Bible and not the Book of Mormon...but since you commented, The Bible has been clearly proven; I can go to places in the Bible and actually see them; Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Nazereth, the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, we can go to Jericho and see where the walls came tumbling down it's all there..Not to mention the Dead Sea Scrolls.....it has proven to be so accurate that archeologists use it to go out and locate more stuff
@TheSkepticChristian I could go on and on however, I am guessing you really don't care....which is fine, however if you would like to know what I will say about something all you need to do is ask and I will answer...As for the book of Mormon all you have to do is produce just one piece of evidence that has been found , (not that is suspected but actually found), and I will reconsider my feelings on the Book, however to my knowledge that has yet to be discovered...
@MustangMinistries2 The evidence comes from God Himself, by the power of the Holy Ghost. I am not going to be able to "show" you that, but I can tell you HOW you find these things out, and I have. You need to have faith in Christ, have real intent, ask in the NAME of Christ, and of course, you have to have first READ the Book of Mormon so you can ask God with some idea of what it is you are praying about...
I am with you this cartoon actually motivated me to allow others to find out the truth as well as see the lies this cartoon depicts. “I think we may accept it as a rule that whenever a person’s religious conversation dwells chiefly, or even frequently, on faults of other people’s religions, he is in a bad condition.” –C.S. Lewis, Collected Letters Vol. 3 p. 209
You didn't really address the actual teachings, and their sources. You just shared your opinion of them. If you have ever said "I believe Joseph Smith is a true prophet" then you have admitted to believing in the content of the "Banned Mormon Cartoon", because that is what Joseph Smith taught, and what I was taught no more than 10 years ago in my priesthood classes. It's accurate, whether you like it or not.
@windigo77 I never heard in Priesthood meeting that there were black skinned spirits. I never heard in Priesthood meeting that the babies in heaven wore diapers. I never heard in Priesthood that God knocked on Mary's door to go have a baby with her. I never heard any of this nonsense. If you believe that, or say you do, then you are a liar, pure and simple, and your anti-mormon exmormon bias shows. We don't teach any of this nonsense. Shame on you for holding the priesthood and not knowing!
@mormonanswerman As for the black skinned spirits, they were shown that way as they were being sent down to Earth to show that those who were less obedient in heaven would be born with dark skin, and that I WAS taught in church. it made sense to me, they didn't say the spirits THEMSELVES were black. I know that Brigham Young said that the birth of Jesus was "as natural" as any of ours, implying that God had literal sex with Mary, but that's not really that important to the video anyway.
I don't know what cartoon you are referring to, but I do know what you mean. Like you, I am trusting our Lord Jesus Christ my Saviour. I am a Catholic and I have a lot of Christians telling me that I am trusting Mary,The Mass, the Saints, my own personal works etc., for my salvation. Like you, I repeat: I am trusting In our Lord Jesus Christ for my salvation, regardless of what Walter Martin, Ed Decker or Hank "Hang-a graph"!? etc. think! You and I are Christians also.Christ is Lord!!
@frbjoernLA I too as a Christian proclaim that Jesus Christ is my Lord! The detractors gospel is the gospel of telling others who believe in Christ that they are not a Christian.
The fact is, in California, the Catholics have the highest number of adherents and coming in 2nd is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. I know numbers do not tell the story, but I do find it interesting that the small minority still tries to marginalize the majority like that. its strange.
People fear and hate what they don't understand. I will never understand why people are willing to just take someone's word about what the Mormon's believe rather than asking a Mormon or investigating the Mormon Church themselves. If I wanted to know about a Catholic I wouldn't ask a Baptist. I'd ask a Catholic. Go get your facts straight before you talk crap about good people.
You hit the nail on the head when you say your faith is the way you feel. Emotions are wonderful - we're not human without them. But to interpret your feelings as the ultimate test of truth is an error in logic in my opinion. Compare that to science which requires objective evidence and strives to eliminate emotional bias. This goes a long way to explain why there's so many contradictory & mutually exclusive religious "truths". What makes your truth more valid than another?
@MightyCarnac You ahve to find the truth for YOURSELF. The fact that I say what I say does not have any accountability onto you. It is for me. I am accountable to God and to no one else here. If my God is telling me what is true, then I am going to say that. I am saying that. I have prayed and asked about certain things pertaining to my faith, pertaining to the Book of Mormon. I do know personally that they are true. I say that. Now YOU pray about it, if you desire. If not, you will.
@mormonanswerman (You said)-->You ahve to find the truth for YOURSELF. (Me)-->I am amazed that you said that!.. most christians find truth from Jesus! truth is given by God if it is his will! for you to see!. Your faith leads you from truth "AND" Christ!. and eternal damnation...don't take my word for it!, Ask God when you pray. Your faith has three elements, Pray, Pay, and obey! dude I can't say it any better than that. peace be with you.
@JSeely218 I do find my truth from God, FOR myself. You are playing semantics, and it also seems that you think a mere reading of the Bible should set everything straight. Witness the THOUSANDS of Christian denominations to shoot down that theory. It takes more than reading the Bible It also takes PRAYER to understand what the Bible is saying, because it is obviously not clear enough or we wouldn't have all these conflicting churches in the world today.
@mormonanswerman@mormonanswerman I take your point but it’s pretty tough to find the truth without evidence. And it’s even toughter to evaluate evidence when there isn’t any. Claims of prophetic visions are just that – claims. Example- If Stephen Hawking said there are people on other planets nobody would believe him without evidence. Why believe Joseph Smith?
Maybe there are people on other planets but there's no evidence of it. And claiming to know the unknown is fundamentally dishonest..
@MightyCarnac You have to pray about some things to know the truth. I don't have to pray to know if the sun is up. I will go outside and look. But I might have to pray to know which job to take (assuming I have two offers and I am not sure if I should say, move to another state or not, etc.). Some prayers are so we can get a reassurance from God that what we do is OK, if it is important enough. For example, I am sure God does not care what color I pain my house, whether its green or brown.
@mormonanswerman For me it comes back to evidence. I find no evidence that prayers are answered. But if some folks take comfort in prayer that's their right but humans are highly suggestible. With a bit of work you can talk yourself into anything. If born in another time or place you might feel as strongly about Islam or Catholicism each of which also claim to be the only true religion. In my view no superstition can be more valid than another.
@MightyCarnac Thanks for your thoughts too. If one believes that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world, then they will believe His teachings. I do, and they are clear that we are to pray to the Father in the name of Christ. When we do pray, and we listen in faith, we are going to get answers and He is going to communicate to us.
@mormonanswerman ---What verse in 1st Corinthians?? if it's chapter 15 you are deffinately misquoting the Bible because this means that when we are ressurected, our ressurected bodies will transform, "NOT" go to different places!, we go to be with GOD or we go to hell! depends on how we are judged!...who or better yet WHAT was the person who gave you this goofy explanation on? because it's deffinately wrong! theres only one(1) heaven and only one(1) hell! go ask any pastor that is not mormon.
@JSeely218 Ask any pastor?? No, there's enough confusion already that that can't be the answer, to go ask a human.
1 Cor 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
@SteveBVideos It is worth it! I learned some of my best lessons from a gret seminary teacher, and I loved the curriculum and music of the day then too. Like Unto Us. remember that? Nah... #LOL
I've actually asked Mormons about human ascension into Gods and many of them responded by actually defending that belief. They said that the process was called Eternal progression and they directed me to an lds(dot)org webpage titled "Exaltation". That webpage also seems to confirm that Mormon teaching does in fact endorse the concept of men eventually becoming Gods.
I'm a father and have kids. I do know those kids are going to grow up. I don't know what they will choose to do with their lives, however, because that entirely depends on THEM.
God is in the same situation with the plan of salvation he has created. He has created us and let's us grow up. We come to earth to be tested. If we pass HIS test, then He will exalt us. Keep in mind however, he has a Plan B and a Plan C for all the rest.
@penn919 The plan of salvation is outlined at mormon.org pretty well.
I can say that Plan A (my preference) is the Celestial Kingdom of God. Plan B is the Terrestrial Kingdom, and plan C is the Telestial Kingdom of God. There are three kingdoms of glory.
i will agree the cartoon distorted the church's teachings. it was definitely created to make mormon teachings look foolish with how it depicted them. but, it didn't necessarily change the teaching.
for example: God and mary having literal sex. mormon leaders taught this, but never said God came knocking on her door. still... same teaching.
so, yes it was distorted, but not a complete lie as many mormons would claim. but, quite interesting that brother johnson doesn't make that claim.
@tamasandy NO, they did not teach that. Your view is an INTERPRETATION on what they said, and its like comparing artifical insemination to sexual intercourse. They are not the same. But Jesus was, in fact, born in the same way that we all were (with the exception of test tube babies who were not, or those born by ceasarian section). These are all exceptions to the rule.
Certainly no one of us was ever "overshadowed" by the Holy Ghost upon conception, whatever that means. Just leave it...
@mormonanswerman - very well put. thanks for pointing that out. it's definitely my interpretation. i must stay open minded on these matters. if only they had spoken clearly on the subject or would come out and say it's one way or another... which may never happen. but either side cannot claim a correct interpretation then. do you feel the same? or do you feel that your interpretation is valid? perhaps i've missed a quote in which a leader of the church has openly refuted this?
@tamasandy Yes, and you probably also missed the quote where the Apostles responded to the question "when did you stop beating your wife?"
As a general rule, the Church and its leaders have never legitimized anti-mormon statements by responding to them. Me on the other hand, I am not the church and I think I can talk about it, but I do understand that an organization in high standing does not need to respond to all mud slung their way. The Lord will hose it down in the end.
@mormonanswerman - all statements and questions about the church are not loaded or anti-mormon... and the thing about loaded questions is that you can actually answer them without getting in to trouble. of course a simple yes or no answer is problematic, but an explanation or a simple "we don't know" would suffice.
an official stance by the church on certain doctrines could help since many members i've known in my life have actually told me they believe that God and mary had litreral sex.
@tamasandy That's because they have not THOUGHT it through. I've heard that nonsense by a member once. That's it. She also believed all people in heaven were nude, so we can see where he mind was on those things. God has sex with his subject, no problem! Ridiculous.
But with me, I know it is not so, it goes against very fiber of my spiritual being to think that God would do such a thing. He doesn't. That's why the scripture is explicit: Mary was a VIRGIN, and that means, she had NO SEX.
@auroradamien YES, I actually know the story of the Book of Mormon and know it is true, and that does mean that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. Who was Stan Marsh?
This is not my opinion, i see this as a proven fact. I don't say it's proven that there is no god. I say its a proven fact that all of these riligions are bullshit and that there are no gods as in holy spirits and stuff living on other planets.
There is no right religion, it's all bullshit, anyone claiming otherwise is just stupid. I'm happy I live in the country were nearly everone thinks this. The Netherlands (Holland) was the first country with true freedom of speech and riligion. We are told the stories of the bible, but immediatly after this, we are also taught to think about wether you believe it or not. That is the way everone should be taught. Even though logical thinking can still save you from this stupid science fiction.
@mafiamitzy Freedom of Speech? Pat Condell says that you guys just passed a law making it a crime to say anything insulting about Islam. That sounds like a STEP DOWN from what we enjoy in the USA, so I would say that have a more enlightened freedom approach here. I see European approaches attempting to encroach on our Constitution, for example, with the sweeping attempts at socialism, for instance. You can have your atheism. I think its rather boring.
I have a few questions. What is the Mormon attitude towards the souls of non-Mormons? Are they damned? If so, how could the U.S. Constitution written by non-Mormons be inspired by God?
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. " Ga 1:8-9
@SynchroniZer7 This is a tired and very misapplied scripture. It should be applied to all Christians who don't adhere to to GOSPELS taught in the gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. The Mormons do adhere to this. And we do teach and practice the Sermon on the Mount. You have NO basis in which to point that particular scripture to the Mormons. None at all.
@SynchroniZer7 No, Jesus did NOT say that. Here is what He said:
Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
and this was in the CONTEXT of telling the wicked Sadducees who did NOT believe in the resurrection, that marriages are NOT performed in the resurrection. It's too late then. Marriages are performed NOW before the resurrection, and they can be eternal. You can be sealed. Matthew 18:18
@mormonanswerman That's because Mr Mormon and Mr Smith did whatever they wanted with the Holy scripture to justify their sect. Too bad they missed the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls to feel embarrassed enough of their fraud...
@SynchroniZer7 Those Dead Sea Scrolls ESTABLISH the doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. The Mormons are really vindicated by them. I don't think you know what is IN them.
@SynchroniZer7 Jesus speaking to His Apostles, to whom He gave the keys of the kingdom which include the sealing power:
Matthew 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
just got done chatting with missionaries on mormon.org and they told me that we can become Gods ourselves and have our own and rule over our own planets. i saved the chat if you waNT to read it for yourself!!!
@IRISHBUDDAFILTH Yeah, I read the chat you sent, and I must say if that chat were true, those people on the other end are teaching things that are not in the scriptures, and you don't see ME doing that. I stick with the scriptures. I also noticed how you BAITED them with leading questions. I would have ended that chat if I were on the other end, because it would have been obvious to me that you are not sincere in your questions. You're behaving like some lawyer trying to trap people... sorry
@mormonanswerman well doesnt it say ask a mormon.i wasnt baiting anything! I was asking for clarification on 1 nephi 14:10 and they wouldnt answer first.Why is it so hard to get a simple explanation on scripture?I dont want to hear oh one must get the milk before the meat!!! So why is there different teachings out there in the LDS?Or beliefs ?Why dont you do an experiment andourself go to mormon.org and try it for yourself to see what they are teachings!!!
@IRISHBUDDAFILTH Why don't you go to an algebra class and start asking questions about Calculus when you don't even know algebra yet? Why do people assume that religion is so easy to get, and pay no attention to prerequisites, a system that is so deeply established in our college education system? Prerequisites, for a REASON. Milk before meat. One step at a time. Line Upon Line. Precept Upon Precept.
If Calculus were a religion, it would be so EASY to make the masses think it was nonsense.
@druidbloke Yes it would. People's eyes would glaze over, keep talking about calculus to those that don't know a thing about algebra, and you are going to have people's eyes glaze over. Have you never lived?
@mormonanswerman "If Calculus were a religion, it would be so EASY to make the masses think it was nonsense." Doesn't take someone capable of understanding complex maths to see through nonsense.
@IRISHBUDDAFILTH You should read the scriptures to know our doctrines. Talking to a member of the Church is good and all, but they can say wrong things, just like I can say wrong things. Not everyone in this church has a full grasp of all the doctrines of the Kingdom of God. Its a learning process. But in that process, I am grateful that we all get to try to teach it. Teaching the gospel, even as an amateur, is VERY fulfilling. I love trying to teach the gospel.
Seek not to declare my word, but first seek to obtain my word, and then shall your tongue be loosed; then, if you desire, you shall have my Spirit and my word, yea, the power of God unto the convincing of men.
So we are to first read the scriptures, and seek to obtain His word. Then we can preach. We can all keep getting better and better at it. It is a process. Sometimes we say mistakes.
@mormonanswerman Then you are simply misunderstanding it, we believe that if you reach the highest kingdom of glory(celestial) and you reach exaltation, which you must be married to reach, you will then be able to create your own creations, like galaxies and planets and solar systems and people. God will be God and we will be gods, with our own people and they will call us "God" and the worthy of them will become gods and so on and so forth.
@IRISHBUDDAFILTH Well now you're getting close to what I believe. I do believe we are all family, and that God will have us do more than play a harp in heaven. He will have us participate in heaven. This should come as no surprise, because already we have the scriptures prove that God sends angels to do His work, etc. Why, if God did everything Himself, then there certainly would be no helpers. But there ARE helpers. I would venture to say, BILLIONS and more.
@Medhiv83 There needs to be a purpose to life. Otherwise, what matters? I have a purpose. It is very fulfilling to know of a purpose for life. I do know of myself by praying to God, believing in Jesus Christ, and I have received answers to prayers to know that He lives, that Jesus is our Savior. No one told me that for me to believe. I prayed and do know of myself.
The purpose of life is to gain a body of flesh and bone and return to the Father when we are done here. This all matters.
i can accept a personal need or urge for purpose and understanding of one's life! that is basically what everyone is looking for ... but on what basis do you assume that this personal purpose transcends to all life, or all human life for that matter?
also you said that you know jesus by him answering your prayers! that i can accept to but the question remains, out of all the prayers you offered, how many of those, what percentage if you like, were answered?
@mormonanswerman too bad you have wasted your time...on the surface you are probably a nice person but your religion is seeded in such racism it is sickening...
@michelleandjamonti You know, the UNITED STATES is seeded in racism, and the mormons were USA citizens, so I guess you can point your finger at them if you want. But don't forget that they NEVER had slaves. Don't forget that the ancestors of the people of YOUR faith, if you have any, DID have slaves, and so I think you should probably not direct your race card at the Mormons who were pretty good about respecting the blacks and the indians. Treated them all as brothers. You can't erase that.
@mormonanswerman that is why I don't need religion and that you accept this as status quo and therefore say that you can do it too..is abominable. You follower! And don't tell me that morons like you didn't have slaves i know plenty that did and blacks were not allowed into priesthood until pressure from revolutionaries like martin luther king...once again ask you how many black people are in your ward? probably zero that is because you know and believe they are marked like cain in sin
@michelleandjamonti Wow. All I can say is wow. You are like a movie I saw where there was this army guy barricaded up in the wilderness who didn't know the war was over, and for decades he held on to his guns, and when told, would not believe that the was was over!! You are that man!!
Mormons never had slaves. They treated them with kindness and fairness, and this is one main reason WHY Mormons were persecuted, because the black and indian haters in Missouri were afraid of the Mormons too.
@mormonanswerman Actually, I think it is rather important. People believe that video is accurate because it has citations. Kill the citations, kill the misperceptions.
@DancingTableLeg I don't know, its kind of like dogs chasing their tails. Doesn't seem quite fair to me that people can throw that nonsense out there and persecute a church that way. Maybe its because it is a church. If it were a person, its called DEFAMATION of character and is against the law.
Joseph Fielding Smith Jr: (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.2, p.48): "We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring. We will have an endless eternity for this".
@TubeNumber1USA but Jesus Himself said "ye are gods" What does He mean when He quotes Psalms like that, to add credibility to the whole idea? Joseph Fielding Smith was just postulating on what goes on in heaven, because we do have a mind and can think these things through. They do make sense, even if they are not explicitly taught in the scriptures themselves. We can figure things out, what's wrong with that? Have you thought of playing a harp for all eternity? I have. I think I won't.
It doesn't matter if the way you choose to practice your religion differs from what is in print. If you deny religious doctrine you are commiting a sin against your religion. You cannot twist your views to serve yourself or make you not look like a bunch of idiots. You should either belive the scripture and be a racist biggot and palygamist or choose another religion and quit bothering me while i am watching tv.
Poor fella... I feel sorry that you believe in such lies and a cult based on a convicted con man. You have been brain washed and allow yourself to believe in lies because you have "felt" something. You or anyone else can produce proof without a reasonable doubt that what you believe in is actually true. Believe me, if you let go of the lies you will become a much much better person. Please do some research outside of your church and get into books that the rest of the world accepts.
@BillSteer99 What have you ever felt in your life, and do you have a heart? If so, use it, and enjoy life to its fullest. God gave us a heart that we might feel, a mind that we might think, and if we are not using BOTH of these as I did when I came to my decisions on testimony of these things, then we are falling short of our possibilities. Heart matters.
May I ask your political beliefs? Also, its not just the way you feel it is a moral code you live your life by. This seems reasonable until you consider that this moral code was written 2000 years ago, or in the case of mormons 300 years ago by an illiterate con artist. If it was just a fuzzy feeling you got inside by believing in an all knowing man in the sky who controls everything then I would have no problem, but its just not.
Thank you for your sincerity and testimony. It is an echo of the thousands of testimonies borne by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I also know Jesus Christ lives, and that He is the center of our faith. Joseph Smith said that Jesus Christ and His atonement are central to our faith and all other doctrines are appendages to it.
im not trying to discredit your religion, it is your belief and i respect that, but i am curious about the part that black people were infact angels that decided to stay neutral in the war of the heavens, did the cartoon depict that accurately? very curious for an anwser
@lrdrskillz That cartoon was created by an exmormon, excommunciated for his adultery, and angry, he set out to make some things up to make the church look bad. He made up the part about black people in the heavens. There was no race in the heavens that I know of. Those details are NOT revealed anywhere in the scriptures, and no prophet has ever elaborated on that place except to say that a veil of forgetfulness was placed over our minds so that we do not remember it. That is very true :)
@kenidrak I am talking about a memory of a pre mortal existence that we all lived in, which purposely has been removed from our minds through birth and starting over in the human life here. The brain is allowed to start blank here, instead of bringing with it all of our memories of being in the presence of God as His children. We are here to be tested. Through faith in Christ, we are given REVELATION that connects us with the past. This connection is done on GODS terms.
@lrdrskillz The best explanation for Black people is that the Human body evolved to survive the harsh african climate. The dark skin protects them from the sun and Everyone knows there more athletic than white guys, allowing them to survive along side what ever happens to live in africa.
I believe the cartoon over this guy. He is talking about his feelings and what he believes, which I am sure he is being honest about. However I feel the cartoon did more research and found out what Joseph Smith actually preached. Not all Mormons and privy to that information.
@Bramendor You believe half truths and outright lies then. I do know what I am talking about, I do know my religion and my faith and the doctrines we teach and believe. This cartoon is NOT it.
The Ed Decker guy, exmormon, adulterer and excommunicated angry man, decided to make a hatchet piece, and this cartoon is it. He lied about God and Mary. He lied about Blacks in heaven. He lied about diapers in heaven. He lied about the whole thing. Its all inaccurate and offensive, and he knows it.
I know full well that you know what you have been taught. It is what you havent been taught that you dont know. I hear what you are saying. I know you are being honest, but an honest man will tell you its raining if he believes its raining if he doesnt got outside all look to see the sun is out before he answers.
Joseph Smith led a life that is outside the teachings of Modern Mormonism. SO either modern Mormons are wrong, OR Josephs Smith was.
@Bramendor No, I am completely comfortable with all of the Joseph Smith story. I revere the great man that he was, much like I revere George Washington as the great man that he was. Joseph Smith was great. and he was an Apostle of Jesus Christ, even a Prophet of God.
Moses led a theocracy. Moses had public executions for those that broke the 10 commandments. Moses was a polygamist. Moses was OBEDIENT to God.
and Joseph Smith was obedient to all the politically incorrect things too.
@mormonanswerman: What is not correct in the cartoon? Are you not taught God's name is Eloheim? Is Lucifer not Jesus' spirit brother? I posted part of Nephi 5 to support the cartoon's claim about Black Skin - in fact the Nephi 5 explanation is even more vile. Don't Mormon's believe Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ have wives? Do you not hope to become a polygamous God - creating spirit babies to populate other "earths"? I'm confused. Exactly, where are the lies in this cartoon?
@TubeNumber1USA ACTUALLY, Elohim is a Hebrew biblical word, and it is not Mormon doctrine that it is the name of God. ALL of Christianity is taught that this is the name of God.
ALL of Christianity is taught that Lucifer was in heaven and was cast out. Lucifer was also one of the sons of God, a son of the morning, as he is called in the Bible.
I am thinking that you are having a problem with the BIBLE. All of the other stuff you bring up? NOT in the scriptures, and NOT doctrines, so...
@mormonanswerman: I appreciate your taking the time to address a couple things. But whether or not the issues brought up in the video are official doctrine of not - shouldn't really matter. Certain points wer raised in the cartoon, and a number of Mormons, yourself included, are saying that it's full of lies and distortions. I'm just trying to find out what is distorted or fabricated - and what does Mormonismactually teach on each point. Thanks.
That is not the question. The question is whether or not the cartoon is more accurate to what Joseph Smith believed than what LDS practice today. I believe it is.
The church doesnt claim them as their documents (anymore) because they were bad for recruitment.
@Bramendor Cynical. That's a cynical viewpoint. You don't know that at all.
We are all entitled to our opinions, even prophets of God are too. They may feel real strong about how things are, or were, of things not of this world, and yet, if that does not make it into the SCRIPTURES, then it is NOT doctrine. Don't you understand that?
For instance, I think there was a first God. Its not doctrine,not taught in church, but I PERSONALLY believe it, but its not doctrine. I could be wrong too.
It seems to me that prophets should not have opinions that "might be a little far out" How does one go about deciding which of a prophet's words are word of god or his opinions?
@mormonanswerman Well think about it. Mormons believe in objective Scriptures too. It doesn't say you'll go to Heaven based on feeling and how you felt on earth. It will be based on whether you accepted the truth. There is ample evidence that that is the truth of the Bible. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father except through me" Homosexuals, for example, feel good about who they are and do, but that doesn't mean they are right.
@steffyb528 I learned from the scriptures that happiness is NOT relative. That wickedness never was happiness. If homosexuals were so happy about it, they would not be trying to convince all the rest of us to be happy about it too. They just would be. Do you see me, a mormon, trying to convince the world that I am happy about it and that I want you to be happy about the fact too? That I want to make you be happy about it, or be a hatemonger? That's how it feels what so many gays are doing.
@mormonanswerman Can we Please not refer to them as "Gays" anymore?
I really have a personal issue with calling those who subject themselves to Homosexual selfishness, 'Gay" which means happy, and theones I have met are anything but happy.
As Christians I wish to take the word "Gay" back, and refer to them as they use to enjoy being called,.. "Queer" because they do relish the strange unnatural indulgences.
I am also taking back the RainBow. That belongs to God as well. & Unicorns too. lol
I have a different view on the feelings. The feelings part of my life are all important. If I am depressed, that's pretty disfunctional. I need to always be on TOP of my feelings and when I get feelings and comfort from the Lord by the Holy Ghost, that is something that I truly value. When I am afraid or worry, I pray to feel better, and I do feel better. It is imperative to me that I feel good and Godly feelings. That is my truth.
@Sephuskal Yeah I agree. Jesus said "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." (Matt 7:14), and I think that those few who do find it won't be deceived by the silly video. They would press for the truth and eventually FIND it. But that means that the truth should be "findable" and with the new websites the Church is putting up, it will be.
@mormonanswerman Just had a Jewish man hit me up who bought a Book of Mormon yesterday...lol and I'm all worked up with the spirit of contention from that stupid channel lol!
@nickschmitt Well you need a little bit of that to overcome the CYNICAL mindset that blocks all faith, the kind that atheists have. That IS sad, and the way to happiness is letting go of it and embracing that which makes us truly happy. I have, and I am the fool in the eyes of the world. I don't care about that. I know what is real for I have seen and felt it. Its great.
Okay, so you don't get your "own planet". Granted. Of every statement, every point made, every allegation of that cartoon, your singular rebuttal is that the "get your own planet" idea is the one that must be reigned in. Not the racism, not the pantheon of gods and demigods, not the idea that Jesus had a harem of wives, not that Joseph Smith self-appointed himself as part of the Holy Tribunal, or any of the other very profound deviations from recognized scripture. It's the planet thing. Gotcha.
@StraightRazor99 That is NOT my only rebuttal. I take exception to the DIAPERS in heaven. I take exception to the BLACK spirits. I take exception to the Father knocking on Mary's door implying he is making a sexual visit there. I take exception to the spooky music. I take exception to the fact that an ADULTERER made the movie, who was excommunicated from this church, and broke his wife's heart and then decided to fight the church. Do you know the origins of this madness? DICK BAER. Bad guy.
Did I read accurately? You think it's more accurate to go outside and see how it feels or if it's snowing to detect long term climate (not WEATHER) changes versus unthinking weather instruments collecting thousands of data points on a daily basis and comparing that to previous climatological evidence? I'm not arguing that climate change isn't BS...The AlGore version is demonstrably BS...But indicating that going outside is a better way to check the global climate. That's just bizarre thinking.
@olwizard Yeah, I'm almost to the point that I don't even CARE anymore, because I know we've been lied to, and I know its not that hot (a 1/10 of a degree is NO BIG DEAL no matter how you spin it), and there are always these news reports about RECORD cold weather in places, and it just makes me get sick of the propaganda.
GOD is in control of this world. He is not letting us "destroy" it. If it warms in one place, it cools in another. SO???
@mormonanswerman (PART 1) See, I don't think we're talking about the destruction of the planet, but obviously we can affect it...we have rendered parts of the world unlivable, and while we may (ammicably I hope) disagree about God being in control, I hope we can agree that we are allowed to do some horrible horrible things, that are completely destructive. See: Hitler/Stalin.
@mormonanswerman I have done some very scant research into it, and I agree with you 100% that the MEDIA (not the scientists, well not all of them at least) and bald face liars like Algore have blown it way out of proportion, be it out of ignorance or being a dastardly liar (Gore). BUT, that said, the planet is changing dramatically...ask the polar bears. Whether we have anything to do with it or not is another question, but I do believe it's a fair question to ask.
@mormonanswerman (Last point) We don't know how much longer this dispensation will last. I, personally, am not religious, so I believe there will be no magic 11th hour reprive from the second coming, however even if you do, you have to agree that we don't know when Jesus will come. Joseph Smith thought it'd be in his lifetime, and very soon...he was wrong. "Soon" to an eternal being could be many many generations to we finite characters.
@thisisnotanick "evidence" can be FALLIBLE. I am recalling all that "evidence" that there was global warming when they were cooking the charts in the science departments. Anytime there is some entity looking to take away some of our money, we can smell a fish.
So yeah, I trust in God a whole lot more than I do in the ways of the world, the evidences that they have to offer, because some people do LIE in this world, you know?
You argument is fallible, because what you put your faith in is the word of people, with absolutely no evidence to back it up. You good sir not only ignore evidence, but you have a double standard and a confirmation bias.
@thisisnotanick Global warming and cooling is a fact. We can see the temperature charts that scientist have formulated from the data. We can see that the VIKINGS had it HOTTER than we, and they did not have cars. So we can see that all of these hyperactive assumptions put forth by environmentalists and mother earth pagans are just their opinions now, especially since some of those scientists felt the need to hide the decline last decade and CREATE the HOCKEY STICK charts that Al Gore used.
@mormonanswerman Climate models based on purely natural processes such as solar activity and volcanic eruptions fail to explain the observed change in Earth's climate in the latter part of the 20th century. Models factoring in the human impact, that is, the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, depict the transpired warming accurately, however.
The current rate of global warming is unprecedented and is being caused by humans. Reading scientific journals would do you some good.
@thisisnotanick Yeah, I'm really heatin' up here!! I mean, all these SNOW STORMS and all, and other weather type reasons to make me DOUBT your position on this. I saw all the charts, I would post them here if I could, it shows a CYCLICAL up and down, up and down, up and down for thousands of years.
Maybe you should read LESS of the journals you pick and choose, just look outside and observe weather in general, feel the temperatures for yourself, and enjoy life. God is in control.
@mormonanswerman Trying to ridicule arguments based on evidence and peer review with comments like "Yeah, I'm really heatin' up here!" and "just look outside and observe weather in general" just goes to show you are out of arguments.
@thisisnotanick I tend to rely more on empirical evidences, being of the scientific and engineering leaning. In other words, if I can't see it happening, I am not going to believe it is happening.
Ever visit weather dot com? I do, and EVERY time they get it wrong. Why do I go back? The same reason some dumb people believe there is global warming. They still trust in it a little. I don't anymore. Blame me?
@goemon9378 you know, that's just nonsense to think such stuff. With that kind of thinking, you would think that RICH people in this world were more righteous in the previous life, but that's not true. Most rich people are wicked from what I can tell. Also you might think that people born in 3rd world countries are less loved by God than those born in America, and you would be wrong. God loves us all THE SAME.
The priesthood is an entirely different thing. Levites had it exclusively anciently
@dougules ...but your own channel says that you favorite EXmormon videos so that makes me think you don't think the same way I do. Just suggesting that your version of things is going to differ from mine. I can watch the vdeo and see the OBVIOUS lies and distortions by Ed Decker. It was completely NOT accurate. I do know that.
After the first 100 years, I think you'd start to get bored with eternal heaven. Paradise is only appealing in comparison to the mundanity and mortality of this life. A life with no end would cease to have meaning. You'd have nothing to aim for, nothing to achieve, nothing to overcome.
@Steve7508 Not for me. I've got thousands of ideas on why the universe is far more interesting than just this earth in the little city where I currently live. THINK BIG!
All this guy is doing is stating what he "feels" is the truth, but he really isn't exercising himself in the realm of Biblical exegesis. What does the Bible really teach? He obviously has no idea. And he's blatanly lying as well, when it comes to historical Mormon teachings. I'd love to get into a discussion with him regarding some of the outlandish quotes put forth by the founding fathers of the Mormon Church.
@peterpulpitpounder We are IN a discussion now... Your interpretations of Bible scripture are half the problem. Your methodology, your "exegesis" of things is causing various scriptures in the Bible to be inconsistent, to be incompatible, all the while while taking ONE scripture completely out of Bible context, trying to use it to disprove Mormon doctrine that God is our Father and that we are literally His children. Children of God.
Ye are gods; and ALL OF YOU are children of the most High.
Um, let's see just how distorted this is, and please don't appeal to some burning in your bosom while suppressing the clear teachings of the Bible.
Isaiah 43:10 clearly states that no gods will be formed before god, nor shall any gods be formed after me. In other words, God is eternal, is the only god that exists, and there will never be any other god.
And yet Mormon theology states, "We must learn to become gods, the same as all gods have done before us."
@peterpulpitpounder ...and don't forget how other Bible verses contradict with the one YOU showed here, and the reason they contradict is BECAUSE you are misinterpreting the first. The trick is to find the interpretations that make all of these scriptures COMPATIBLE. I have done that work for you. Here is another scripture that conrtradicts your INTERPRETATION of the first:
Ps. 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
I'm glad that you mentioned my head. The word says, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, MIND, soul and strength." I have not neglected my heart because I feel the presence of the Lord daily. You have been misguided by a false witness that has clouded your mind. It has closed your eyes to the truth of the scriptures and you close your eyes and ears, and yell at the top of your lungs like the pharisees did at Stephen's confession. You believe what you want to believe. I will trust God.
@dknott44 I named by son Stephen based on that very story, which I respect very much, and which also corroborates the Mormon doctrine completed, because like Joseph Smith's vision of the Father and the Son, Stephen saw God the Father AND His Son Jesus Christ on his right, and he saw TWO personages. He saw the heavens OPEN and He saw how it was. That scripture, thank you very much for pointing it out, validates what Joseph Smith saw and heard. TWO PEOPLE.
@dknott44 Stephen said: 51 ¶ Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
I think you are resisting the Holy Ghost and embracing your brain.
Stephen told Pharisees that they resisted the HOLY GHOST and so they killed him for saying that.
55 But [Stephen], being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
On my videos, Mormonanswerman, Joseph Smith and then Jesus Christ (in reverse order) are the three that anti- Mormons attack the most.
BornAgainstMormons 6 months ago
I'm not sure how you can post this titled as you have and not address what mormons DO believe as opposed to what we saw in the cartoon. More over, you don't seem to wish to address the racist belief that black people were the result of a curse.. that also explains why Smith in the book of mormon describes black people as shiftless, idle and sneaky.
Was that portion of the cartoon.. inaccurate? Was Lucifer Christ's brother in your belief system?
PaleHearse 6 months ago
MK12:20,24 Now there were 7 brethren: and the 1st took a wife, and dying left no seed. And the 2nd took her, and died, neither left he any seed: and the third likewise. And the 7 had her, and left no seed: last of all the woman died also. In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? . And Jesus answering said unto them, For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
northmemphis48 6 months ago
You validate your religion by chopping out all the insanity and basically describing it as Christianity...address the actual beliefs that the cartoon addresses and shoot them down...if they are so silly...why?
Zodas79 7 months ago
@Zodas79 I already did. Many times. The video is absolute innuendo and rubbish.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
you will have no wife in heaven ,Jesus said we do not give and take in marriage in heaven but we will be made liken unto angels ,read the bible only
northmemphis48 8 months ago 3
@northmemphis48 I will, have a wife in heaven, that is. I do know that and that is one of the most beautiful doctrines to me, that families can be together forever. There are two lesser heavens where there will be no wives and children together. They are called the Terrestrial and Telestial Kingdoms of heaven. I don't want that option.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman not according to the bible MARK 12:24 I NEVER SAID FAMILIES WAS NOT GOING TO BE TOGETHER THERE WILL BE NO HUSBAND & WIFE UNION IN HEAVEN NO SEX GOING ON IN HEAVEN .THAT'S WHY WE ARE MADE LIKE ANGELS TO PUT ON OUR GLORIFIED BODIES ANGELS DO NOT GIVE AND TAKE IN MARRIAGE NEITHER DO WE IN HEAVEN .
northmemphis48 8 months ago 2
@northmemphis48 Families can be together, forever. Why would God have us create families only to take them away? I want my family, do YOU?
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman Again my brother families shall be together but no marriage union between man and women we have a new ''ROLES'' there is only one wedding that is marriage supper of the lamb and were his bride Meaning= that we have not given over to SATAN.you shall not have earthly feelings of SEX,HUNGER,DEATH,SORROW, OR LONELINESS.BUT be a new creation ,EYES HAVE NOT SEEN HEARS HAVE NOT HEARD NEITHER HAVE IT COME INTO THE HEARTS OF MEN WHAT THE LORD HAS PREPARED 4 THOSE WHO LOVE HIM.
northmemphis48 6 months ago
@northmemphis48 That sounds like a good OPINION you have said, but you don't know any better than I know, as a person, and so I refer to MODERN REVELATION on the matter of eternal families, temple marriage, etc. I defer to the issue that you need to find out, like I have, that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God. There are just as many people saying he was a true prophet as those who are saying he was not. However, those that say they know he IS, have prayed about it. They do know.
mormonanswerman 6 months ago
@mormonanswerman my reply below was meant for you, anyways, anyways, the arguments that critics make against our beliefs, actually apply to them. Its called hypocrisy.
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
@mormonanswerman - Matthew 22:30 says it pretty plain - ἐν γὰρ τῇ ἀναστάσει οὔτε γαμοῦσιν οὔτε ἐκγαμίζονται, ἀλλ᾽ ὡς ἄγγελοι τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐν οὐρανῷ εἰσιν - For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. I see nothing in the original language about a lesser Heaven....
MustangMinistries2 7 months ago
@MustangMinistries2 guys like "MustangMinistries2" try to disproof Mormonism, so they can feel better about their own beliefs. However, when I ask them, why according to them, the Bible is true, and not the Book of Mormon, I always get circular logic answer. They can't even demonstrate why our religion is false, and theirs is right according to them. But I know that our religion, Mormonism is true, and correct because of personal evidence.
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian I didn't realize you had asked why I believe the Bible and not the Book of Mormon...but since you commented, The Bible has been clearly proven; I can go to places in the Bible and actually see them; Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Nazereth, the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, we can go to Jericho and see where the walls came tumbling down it's all there..Not to mention the Dead Sea Scrolls.....it has proven to be so accurate that archeologists use it to go out and locate more stuff
MustangMinistries2 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian I could go on and on however, I am guessing you really don't care....which is fine, however if you would like to know what I will say about something all you need to do is ask and I will answer...As for the book of Mormon all you have to do is produce just one piece of evidence that has been found , (not that is suspected but actually found), and I will reconsider my feelings on the Book, however to my knowledge that has yet to be discovered...
MustangMinistries2 6 months ago
@MustangMinistries2 The evidence comes from God Himself, by the power of the Holy Ghost. I am not going to be able to "show" you that, but I can tell you HOW you find these things out, and I have. You need to have faith in Christ, have real intent, ask in the NAME of Christ, and of course, you have to have first READ the Book of Mormon so you can ask God with some idea of what it is you are praying about...
mormonanswerman 6 months ago
@northmemphis48 1 Corinthians 11:11
11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
omiolo 6 months ago
@omiolo how does that got any thing to do whit what i'm talking about
northmemphis48 6 months ago
I am with you this cartoon actually motivated me to allow others to find out the truth as well as see the lies this cartoon depicts. “I think we may accept it as a rule that whenever a person’s religious conversation dwells chiefly, or even frequently, on faults of other people’s religions, he is in a bad condition.” –C.S. Lewis, Collected Letters Vol. 3 p. 209
Fhirinne 9 months ago
Thank you for standing up for the truth.
motherjerker 9 months ago
You didn't really address the actual teachings, and their sources. You just shared your opinion of them. If you have ever said "I believe Joseph Smith is a true prophet" then you have admitted to believing in the content of the "Banned Mormon Cartoon", because that is what Joseph Smith taught, and what I was taught no more than 10 years ago in my priesthood classes. It's accurate, whether you like it or not.
windigo77 9 months ago
@windigo77 I never heard in Priesthood meeting that there were black skinned spirits. I never heard in Priesthood meeting that the babies in heaven wore diapers. I never heard in Priesthood that God knocked on Mary's door to go have a baby with her. I never heard any of this nonsense. If you believe that, or say you do, then you are a liar, pure and simple, and your anti-mormon exmormon bias shows. We don't teach any of this nonsense. Shame on you for holding the priesthood and not knowing!
mormonanswerman 9 months ago
@mormonanswerman Babies with diapers? Of ALL the things presented in the video, BABIES WITH DIAPERS?! You can't be serious.
windigo77 9 months ago
@mormonanswerman As for the black skinned spirits, they were shown that way as they were being sent down to Earth to show that those who were less obedient in heaven would be born with dark skin, and that I WAS taught in church. it made sense to me, they didn't say the spirits THEMSELVES were black. I know that Brigham Young said that the birth of Jesus was "as natural" as any of ours, implying that God had literal sex with Mary, but that's not really that important to the video anyway.
windigo77 9 months ago
I don't know what cartoon you are referring to, but I do know what you mean. Like you, I am trusting our Lord Jesus Christ my Saviour. I am a Catholic and I have a lot of Christians telling me that I am trusting Mary,The Mass, the Saints, my own personal works etc., for my salvation. Like you, I repeat: I am trusting In our Lord Jesus Christ for my salvation, regardless of what Walter Martin, Ed Decker or Hank "Hang-a graph"!? etc. think! You and I are Christians also.Christ is Lord!!
frbjoernLA 9 months ago
@frbjoernLA I too as a Christian proclaim that Jesus Christ is my Lord! The detractors gospel is the gospel of telling others who believe in Christ that they are not a Christian.
The fact is, in California, the Catholics have the highest number of adherents and coming in 2nd is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. I know numbers do not tell the story, but I do find it interesting that the small minority still tries to marginalize the majority like that. its strange.
mormonanswerman 9 months ago
People fear and hate what they don't understand. I will never understand why people are willing to just take someone's word about what the Mormon's believe rather than asking a Mormon or investigating the Mormon Church themselves. If I wanted to know about a Catholic I wouldn't ask a Baptist. I'd ask a Catholic. Go get your facts straight before you talk crap about good people.
SuperGooberGuy 10 months ago
You hit the nail on the head when you say your faith is the way you feel. Emotions are wonderful - we're not human without them. But to interpret your feelings as the ultimate test of truth is an error in logic in my opinion. Compare that to science which requires objective evidence and strives to eliminate emotional bias. This goes a long way to explain why there's so many contradictory & mutually exclusive religious "truths". What makes your truth more valid than another?
MightyCarnac 10 months ago
@MightyCarnac You ahve to find the truth for YOURSELF. The fact that I say what I say does not have any accountability onto you. It is for me. I am accountable to God and to no one else here. If my God is telling me what is true, then I am going to say that. I am saying that. I have prayed and asked about certain things pertaining to my faith, pertaining to the Book of Mormon. I do know personally that they are true. I say that. Now YOU pray about it, if you desire. If not, you will.
mormonanswerman 10 months ago
@mormonanswerman (You said)-->You ahve to find the truth for YOURSELF. (Me)-->I am amazed that you said that!.. most christians find truth from Jesus! truth is given by God if it is his will! for you to see!. Your faith leads you from truth "AND" Christ!. and eternal damnation...don't take my word for it!, Ask God when you pray. Your faith has three elements, Pray, Pay, and obey! dude I can't say it any better than that. peace be with you.
JSeely218 10 months ago
@JSeely218 I do find my truth from God, FOR myself. You are playing semantics, and it also seems that you think a mere reading of the Bible should set everything straight. Witness the THOUSANDS of Christian denominations to shoot down that theory. It takes more than reading the Bible It also takes PRAYER to understand what the Bible is saying, because it is obviously not clear enough or we wouldn't have all these conflicting churches in the world today.
mormonanswerman 10 months ago
@mormonanswerman @mormonanswerman I take your point but it’s pretty tough to find the truth without evidence. And it’s even toughter to evaluate evidence when there isn’t any. Claims of prophetic visions are just that – claims. Example- If Stephen Hawking said there are people on other planets nobody would believe him without evidence. Why believe Joseph Smith?
Maybe there are people on other planets but there's no evidence of it. And claiming to know the unknown is fundamentally dishonest..
MightyCarnac 10 months ago
@MightyCarnac You have to pray about some things to know the truth. I don't have to pray to know if the sun is up. I will go outside and look. But I might have to pray to know which job to take (assuming I have two offers and I am not sure if I should say, move to another state or not, etc.). Some prayers are so we can get a reassurance from God that what we do is OK, if it is important enough. For example, I am sure God does not care what color I pain my house, whether its green or brown.
mormonanswerman 10 months ago
@mormonanswerman For me it comes back to evidence. I find no evidence that prayers are answered. But if some folks take comfort in prayer that's their right but humans are highly suggestible. With a bit of work you can talk yourself into anything. If born in another time or place you might feel as strongly about Islam or Catholicism each of which also claim to be the only true religion. In my view no superstition can be more valid than another.
Happy trails. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
MightyCarnac 10 months ago
@MightyCarnac Thanks for your thoughts too. If one believes that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world, then they will believe His teachings. I do, and they are clear that we are to pray to the Father in the name of Christ. When we do pray, and we listen in faith, we are going to get answers and He is going to communicate to us.
mormonanswerman 10 months ago
Quit decieving yourself ! You either go "UP" or you go straight to hell there is no in-between. Bible states that !.
JSeely218 11 months ago
@JSeely218 No, the Bible says there are three heavens. 1 Corinthians 15 is a good primer on that for you.
mormonanswerman 10 months ago
@mormonanswerman ---What verse in 1st Corinthians?? if it's chapter 15 you are deffinately misquoting the Bible because this means that when we are ressurected, our ressurected bodies will transform, "NOT" go to different places!, we go to be with GOD or we go to hell! depends on how we are judged!...who or better yet WHAT was the person who gave you this goofy explanation on? because it's deffinately wrong! theres only one(1) heaven and only one(1) hell! go ask any pastor that is not mormon.
JSeely218 10 months ago
@JSeely218 Ask any pastor?? No, there's enough confusion already that that can't be the answer, to go ask a human.
1 Cor 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
Our church teaches that. You don't.
mormonanswerman 10 months ago
Good job way to defend your beliefs. I am a Mormon in California so I have to wake up at 5 to go to seminary but it's worth it
SteveBVideos 11 months ago
@SteveBVideos It is worth it! I learned some of my best lessons from a gret seminary teacher, and I loved the curriculum and music of the day then too. Like Unto Us. remember that? Nah... #LOL
mormonanswerman 11 months ago
@mormonanswerman
I've actually asked Mormons about human ascension into Gods and many of them responded by actually defending that belief. They said that the process was called Eternal progression and they directed me to an lds(dot)org webpage titled "Exaltation". That webpage also seems to confirm that Mormon teaching does in fact endorse the concept of men eventually becoming Gods.
penn919 1 year ago
@penn919 We all are the children of God already.
I'm a father and have kids. I do know those kids are going to grow up. I don't know what they will choose to do with their lives, however, because that entirely depends on THEM.
God is in the same situation with the plan of salvation he has created. He has created us and let's us grow up. We come to earth to be tested. If we pass HIS test, then He will exalt us. Keep in mind however, he has a Plan B and a Plan C for all the rest.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman
Okay. So if i'm understanding you correctly, you are saying that Mormons will become Gods and everyone else will get plan B and C? Correct?
What is this Plan B and Plan C that you speak of?
penn919 1 year ago
@penn919 The plan of salvation is outlined at mormon.org pretty well.
I can say that Plan A (my preference) is the Celestial Kingdom of God. Plan B is the Terrestrial Kingdom, and plan C is the Telestial Kingdom of God. There are three kingdoms of glory.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
i will agree the cartoon distorted the church's teachings. it was definitely created to make mormon teachings look foolish with how it depicted them. but, it didn't necessarily change the teaching.
for example: God and mary having literal sex. mormon leaders taught this, but never said God came knocking on her door. still... same teaching.
so, yes it was distorted, but not a complete lie as many mormons would claim. but, quite interesting that brother johnson doesn't make that claim.
tamasandy 1 year ago
@tamasandy NO, they did not teach that. Your view is an INTERPRETATION on what they said, and its like comparing artifical insemination to sexual intercourse. They are not the same. But Jesus was, in fact, born in the same way that we all were (with the exception of test tube babies who were not, or those born by ceasarian section). These are all exceptions to the rule.
Certainly no one of us was ever "overshadowed" by the Holy Ghost upon conception, whatever that means. Just leave it...
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman - very well put. thanks for pointing that out. it's definitely my interpretation. i must stay open minded on these matters. if only they had spoken clearly on the subject or would come out and say it's one way or another... which may never happen. but either side cannot claim a correct interpretation then. do you feel the same? or do you feel that your interpretation is valid? perhaps i've missed a quote in which a leader of the church has openly refuted this?
tamasandy 1 year ago
@tamasandy Yes, and you probably also missed the quote where the Apostles responded to the question "when did you stop beating your wife?"
As a general rule, the Church and its leaders have never legitimized anti-mormon statements by responding to them. Me on the other hand, I am not the church and I think I can talk about it, but I do understand that an organization in high standing does not need to respond to all mud slung their way. The Lord will hose it down in the end.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman - all statements and questions about the church are not loaded or anti-mormon... and the thing about loaded questions is that you can actually answer them without getting in to trouble. of course a simple yes or no answer is problematic, but an explanation or a simple "we don't know" would suffice.
an official stance by the church on certain doctrines could help since many members i've known in my life have actually told me they believe that God and mary had litreral sex.
tamasandy 1 year ago
@tamasandy That's because they have not THOUGHT it through. I've heard that nonsense by a member once. That's it. She also believed all people in heaven were nude, so we can see where he mind was on those things. God has sex with his subject, no problem! Ridiculous.
But with me, I know it is not so, it goes against very fiber of my spiritual being to think that God would do such a thing. He doesn't. That's why the scripture is explicit: Mary was a VIRGIN, and that means, she had NO SEX.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
Wait, Mormons actually know this story and they still believe Joesph Smith was a prophet? -Stan Marsh on the history of the book of mormon.
auroradamien 1 year ago
@auroradamien YES, I actually know the story of the Book of Mormon and know it is true, and that does mean that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. Who was Stan Marsh?
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@auroradamien Oh I see, he is a cartoon. You are quoting cartoons, because?
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
You look like Bill Hader.
SeektheBestBooks 1 year ago
This is not my opinion, i see this as a proven fact. I don't say it's proven that there is no god. I say its a proven fact that all of these riligions are bullshit and that there are no gods as in holy spirits and stuff living on other planets.
mafiamitzy 1 year ago
@mafiamitzy Well, you're entitled to an opinion too, no matter how offensive it may be. At least here in the USA you have a RIGHT to that.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
There is no right religion, it's all bullshit, anyone claiming otherwise is just stupid. I'm happy I live in the country were nearly everone thinks this. The Netherlands (Holland) was the first country with true freedom of speech and riligion. We are told the stories of the bible, but immediatly after this, we are also taught to think about wether you believe it or not. That is the way everone should be taught. Even though logical thinking can still save you from this stupid science fiction.
mafiamitzy 1 year ago
@mafiamitzy Freedom of Speech? Pat Condell says that you guys just passed a law making it a crime to say anything insulting about Islam. That sounds like a STEP DOWN from what we enjoy in the USA, so I would say that have a more enlightened freedom approach here. I see European approaches attempting to encroach on our Constitution, for example, with the sweeping attempts at socialism, for instance. You can have your atheism. I think its rather boring.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
I have a few questions. What is the Mormon attitude towards the souls of non-Mormons? Are they damned? If so, how could the U.S. Constitution written by non-Mormons be inspired by God?
TFarache 1 year ago
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. " Ga 1:8-9
SynchroniZer7 1 year ago
@SynchroniZer7 This is a tired and very misapplied scripture. It should be applied to all Christians who don't adhere to to GOSPELS taught in the gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. The Mormons do adhere to this. And we do teach and practice the Sermon on the Mount. You have NO basis in which to point that particular scripture to the Mormons. None at all.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
Jesus said: "When God raises people to life, they won't marry. They will be like the angels in heaven. "
SynchroniZer7 1 year ago
@SynchroniZer7 No, Jesus did NOT say that. Here is what He said:
Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
and this was in the CONTEXT of telling the wicked Sadducees who did NOT believe in the resurrection, that marriages are NOT performed in the resurrection. It's too late then. Marriages are performed NOW before the resurrection, and they can be eternal. You can be sealed. Matthew 18:18
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman That's because Mr Mormon and Mr Smith did whatever they wanted with the Holy scripture to justify their sect. Too bad they missed the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls to feel embarrassed enough of their fraud...
SynchroniZer7 1 year ago
@SynchroniZer7 Those Dead Sea Scrolls ESTABLISH the doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. The Mormons are really vindicated by them. I don't think you know what is IN them.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@SynchroniZer7 Jesus speaking to His Apostles, to whom He gave the keys of the kingdom which include the sealing power:
Matthew 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
just got done chatting with missionaries on mormon.org and they told me that we can become Gods ourselves and have our own and rule over our own planets. i saved the chat if you waNT to read it for yourself!!!
IRISHBUDDAFILTH 1 year ago
@IRISHBUDDAFILTH Yeah, I read the chat you sent, and I must say if that chat were true, those people on the other end are teaching things that are not in the scriptures, and you don't see ME doing that. I stick with the scriptures. I also noticed how you BAITED them with leading questions. I would have ended that chat if I were on the other end, because it would have been obvious to me that you are not sincere in your questions. You're behaving like some lawyer trying to trap people... sorry
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman well doesnt it say ask a mormon.i wasnt baiting anything! I was asking for clarification on 1 nephi 14:10 and they wouldnt answer first.Why is it so hard to get a simple explanation on scripture?I dont want to hear oh one must get the milk before the meat!!! So why is there different teachings out there in the LDS?Or beliefs ?Why dont you do an experiment andourself go to mormon.org and try it for yourself to see what they are teachings!!!
IRISHBUDDAFILTH 1 year ago
@IRISHBUDDAFILTH Why don't you go to an algebra class and start asking questions about Calculus when you don't even know algebra yet? Why do people assume that religion is so easy to get, and pay no attention to prerequisites, a system that is so deeply established in our college education system? Prerequisites, for a REASON. Milk before meat. One step at a time. Line Upon Line. Precept Upon Precept.
If Calculus were a religion, it would be so EASY to make the masses think it was nonsense.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman errr no it wouldn't, impossible to compare solid logic with rambling.
druidbloke 1 year ago
@druidbloke Yes it would. People's eyes would glaze over, keep talking about calculus to those that don't know a thing about algebra, and you are going to have people's eyes glaze over. Have you never lived?
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman "If Calculus were a religion, it would be so EASY to make the masses think it was nonsense." Doesn't take someone capable of understanding complex maths to see through nonsense.
druidbloke 1 year ago
@druidbloke Religion IS the complex math.
Like I said, the only people that KNOW that calculus is NOT nonsense are those that know calculus. I know calculus, do you?
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman well if its not scripture then why do i get comments back like this?"
IRISHBUDDAFILTH 1 year ago
@IRISHBUDDAFILTH You should read the scriptures to know our doctrines. Talking to a member of the Church is good and all, but they can say wrong things, just like I can say wrong things. Not everyone in this church has a full grasp of all the doctrines of the Kingdom of God. Its a learning process. But in that process, I am grateful that we all get to try to teach it. Teaching the gospel, even as an amateur, is VERY fulfilling. I love trying to teach the gospel.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@IRISHBUDDAFILTH The Lord admonished all of us with this:
Doctrine and Covenants 11:21
Seek not to declare my word, but first seek to obtain my word, and then shall your tongue be loosed; then, if you desire, you shall have my Spirit and my word, yea, the power of God unto the convincing of men.
So we are to first read the scriptures, and seek to obtain His word. Then we can preach. We can all keep getting better and better at it. It is a process. Sometimes we say mistakes.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman Then you are simply misunderstanding it, we believe that if you reach the highest kingdom of glory(celestial) and you reach exaltation, which you must be married to reach, you will then be able to create your own creations, like galaxies and planets and solar systems and people. God will be God and we will be gods, with our own people and they will call us "God" and the worthy of them will become gods and so on and so forth.
IRISHBUDDAFILTH 1 year ago
@IRISHBUDDAFILTH Well now you're getting close to what I believe. I do believe we are all family, and that God will have us do more than play a harp in heaven. He will have us participate in heaven. This should come as no surprise, because already we have the scriptures prove that God sends angels to do His work, etc. Why, if God did everything Himself, then there certainly would be no helpers. But there ARE helpers. I would venture to say, BILLIONS and more.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
why is life any less worth of living when it is presented without any devine being?
Medhiv83 1 year ago
@Medhiv83 There needs to be a purpose to life. Otherwise, what matters? I have a purpose. It is very fulfilling to know of a purpose for life. I do know of myself by praying to God, believing in Jesus Christ, and I have received answers to prayers to know that He lives, that Jesus is our Savior. No one told me that for me to believe. I prayed and do know of myself.
The purpose of life is to gain a body of flesh and bone and return to the Father when we are done here. This all matters.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman
i can accept a personal need or urge for purpose and understanding of one's life! that is basically what everyone is looking for ... but on what basis do you assume that this personal purpose transcends to all life, or all human life for that matter?
also you said that you know jesus by him answering your prayers! that i can accept to but the question remains, out of all the prayers you offered, how many of those, what percentage if you like, were answered?
Medhiv83 1 year ago
This is your first video and I hope its your last. You are brainwashed and intrinsically a racist.
michelleandjamonti 1 year ago 2
@michelleandjamonti I see. Far from last, I made 70+ more. Sorry.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman too bad you have wasted your time...on the surface you are probably a nice person but your religion is seeded in such racism it is sickening...
michelleandjamonti 1 year ago
@michelleandjamonti You know, the UNITED STATES is seeded in racism, and the mormons were USA citizens, so I guess you can point your finger at them if you want. But don't forget that they NEVER had slaves. Don't forget that the ancestors of the people of YOUR faith, if you have any, DID have slaves, and so I think you should probably not direct your race card at the Mormons who were pretty good about respecting the blacks and the indians. Treated them all as brothers. You can't erase that.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman that is why I don't need religion and that you accept this as status quo and therefore say that you can do it too..is abominable. You follower! And don't tell me that morons like you didn't have slaves i know plenty that did and blacks were not allowed into priesthood until pressure from revolutionaries like martin luther king...once again ask you how many black people are in your ward? probably zero that is because you know and believe they are marked like cain in sin
michelleandjamonti 1 year ago
@michelleandjamonti Wow. All I can say is wow. You are like a movie I saw where there was this army guy barricaded up in the wilderness who didn't know the war was over, and for decades he held on to his guns, and when told, would not believe that the was was over!! You are that man!!
Mormons never had slaves. They treated them with kindness and fairness, and this is one main reason WHY Mormons were persecuted, because the black and indian haters in Missouri were afraid of the Mormons too.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
Might I ask you to respond directly to the citations in jleu777's video description? I think that would clear things up most effectively.
DancingTableLeg 1 year ago
@DancingTableLeg That's not the most important thing. When did you stop beating your wife. How about we start with that?
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman Actually, I think it is rather important. People believe that video is accurate because it has citations. Kill the citations, kill the misperceptions.
DancingTableLeg 1 year ago
@DancingTableLeg I don't know, its kind of like dogs chasing their tails. Doesn't seem quite fair to me that people can throw that nonsense out there and persecute a church that way. Maybe its because it is a church. If it were a person, its called DEFAMATION of character and is against the law.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
Joseph Fielding Smith Jr: (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.2, p.48): "We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring. We will have an endless eternity for this".
TubeNumber1USA 1 year ago
@TubeNumber1USA but Jesus Himself said "ye are gods" What does He mean when He quotes Psalms like that, to add credibility to the whole idea? Joseph Fielding Smith was just postulating on what goes on in heaven, because we do have a mind and can think these things through. They do make sense, even if they are not explicitly taught in the scriptures themselves. We can figure things out, what's wrong with that? Have you thought of playing a harp for all eternity? I have. I think I won't.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
It doesn't matter if the way you choose to practice your religion differs from what is in print. If you deny religious doctrine you are commiting a sin against your religion. You cannot twist your views to serve yourself or make you not look like a bunch of idiots. You should either belive the scripture and be a racist biggot and palygamist or choose another religion and quit bothering me while i am watching tv.
zadiyan 1 year ago
Poor fella... I feel sorry that you believe in such lies and a cult based on a convicted con man. You have been brain washed and allow yourself to believe in lies because you have "felt" something. You or anyone else can produce proof without a reasonable doubt that what you believe in is actually true. Believe me, if you let go of the lies you will become a much much better person. Please do some research outside of your church and get into books that the rest of the world accepts.
BillSteer99 1 year ago
@BillSteer99 not brain washed, but anti mormons sure have been. Its as if they have NOT even looked into things, just believing sensational things.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@BillSteer99 What have you ever felt in your life, and do you have a heart? If so, use it, and enjoy life to its fullest. God gave us a heart that we might feel, a mind that we might think, and if we are not using BOTH of these as I did when I came to my decisions on testimony of these things, then we are falling short of our possibilities. Heart matters.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman : thanx for answering back
lrdrskillz 1 year ago
May I ask your political beliefs? Also, its not just the way you feel it is a moral code you live your life by. This seems reasonable until you consider that this moral code was written 2000 years ago, or in the case of mormons 300 years ago by an illiterate con artist. If it was just a fuzzy feeling you got inside by believing in an all knowing man in the sky who controls everything then I would have no problem, but its just not.
ProffesorChaosesFile 1 year ago
@ProffesorChaosesFile My political beliefs are LESS GOVERNMENT. A mixture of Libertarian with adherence to Christian principles of charity, etc.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
Thank you for your sincerity and testimony. It is an echo of the thousands of testimonies borne by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I also know Jesus Christ lives, and that He is the center of our faith. Joseph Smith said that Jesus Christ and His atonement are central to our faith and all other doctrines are appendages to it.
Triholan 1 year ago
"Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool." -Mark Twain
fctchk 1 year ago
@fctchk I have always thought Mark Twain a twit.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman Of course you do. His point of view on religion doesn't jive with yours.
MsMercury 1 year ago
im not trying to discredit your religion, it is your belief and i respect that, but i am curious about the part that black people were infact angels that decided to stay neutral in the war of the heavens, did the cartoon depict that accurately? very curious for an anwser
lrdrskillz 1 year ago
@lrdrskillz That cartoon was created by an exmormon, excommunciated for his adultery, and angry, he set out to make some things up to make the church look bad. He made up the part about black people in the heavens. There was no race in the heavens that I know of. Those details are NOT revealed anywhere in the scriptures, and no prophet has ever elaborated on that place except to say that a veil of forgetfulness was placed over our minds so that we do not remember it. That is very true :)
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman "a veil of forgetfulness was placed over our minds so that we do not remember it" What exactly are you talking about here?
kenidrak 1 year ago
@kenidrak I am talking about a memory of a pre mortal existence that we all lived in, which purposely has been removed from our minds through birth and starting over in the human life here. The brain is allowed to start blank here, instead of bringing with it all of our memories of being in the presence of God as His children. We are here to be tested. Through faith in Christ, we are given REVELATION that connects us with the past. This connection is done on GODS terms.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@lrdrskillz The best explanation for Black people is that the Human body evolved to survive the harsh african climate. The dark skin protects them from the sun and Everyone knows there more athletic than white guys, allowing them to survive along side what ever happens to live in africa.
LatterDaySaint1029 1 year ago
I believe the cartoon over this guy. He is talking about his feelings and what he believes, which I am sure he is being honest about. However I feel the cartoon did more research and found out what Joseph Smith actually preached. Not all Mormons and privy to that information.
Bramendor 1 year ago
@Bramendor You believe half truths and outright lies then. I do know what I am talking about, I do know my religion and my faith and the doctrines we teach and believe. This cartoon is NOT it.
The Ed Decker guy, exmormon, adulterer and excommunicated angry man, decided to make a hatchet piece, and this cartoon is it. He lied about God and Mary. He lied about Blacks in heaven. He lied about diapers in heaven. He lied about the whole thing. Its all inaccurate and offensive, and he knows it.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman
I know full well that you know what you have been taught. It is what you havent been taught that you dont know. I hear what you are saying. I know you are being honest, but an honest man will tell you its raining if he believes its raining if he doesnt got outside all look to see the sun is out before he answers.
Joseph Smith led a life that is outside the teachings of Modern Mormonism. SO either modern Mormons are wrong, OR Josephs Smith was.
Bramendor 1 year ago
@Bramendor No, I am completely comfortable with all of the Joseph Smith story. I revere the great man that he was, much like I revere George Washington as the great man that he was. Joseph Smith was great. and he was an Apostle of Jesus Christ, even a Prophet of God.
Moses led a theocracy. Moses had public executions for those that broke the 10 commandments. Moses was a polygamist. Moses was OBEDIENT to God.
and Joseph Smith was obedient to all the politically incorrect things too.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman: What is not correct in the cartoon? Are you not taught God's name is Eloheim? Is Lucifer not Jesus' spirit brother? I posted part of Nephi 5 to support the cartoon's claim about Black Skin - in fact the Nephi 5 explanation is even more vile. Don't Mormon's believe Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ have wives? Do you not hope to become a polygamous God - creating spirit babies to populate other "earths"? I'm confused. Exactly, where are the lies in this cartoon?
TubeNumber1USA 1 year ago
@TubeNumber1USA ACTUALLY, Elohim is a Hebrew biblical word, and it is not Mormon doctrine that it is the name of God. ALL of Christianity is taught that this is the name of God.
ALL of Christianity is taught that Lucifer was in heaven and was cast out. Lucifer was also one of the sons of God, a son of the morning, as he is called in the Bible.
I am thinking that you are having a problem with the BIBLE. All of the other stuff you bring up? NOT in the scriptures, and NOT doctrines, so...
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman: I appreciate your taking the time to address a couple things. But whether or not the issues brought up in the video are official doctrine of not - shouldn't really matter. Certain points wer raised in the cartoon, and a number of Mormons, yourself included, are saying that it's full of lies and distortions. I'm just trying to find out what is distorted or fabricated - and what does Mormonismactually teach on each point. Thanks.
TubeNumber1USA 1 year ago
@TubeNumber1USA If you want to find that out, meet with the Missionaries. There are several lessons to hear, and you can get the whole story.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@Bramendor All doctrine of the church is in the four standard works.
The Bible, Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, and the Doctrine and covenants.
Anything found anywhere other than those four works are not doctrinally sound.
Prophets are men just like us. They have opinions and sometimes they might be a little far out.
That whole cartoon was based on random documents that the church doesn't even claim to be theirs or their doctrine.
Eyresworld 1 year ago
@Eyresworld
That is not the question. The question is whether or not the cartoon is more accurate to what Joseph Smith believed than what LDS practice today. I believe it is.
The church doesnt claim them as their documents (anymore) because they were bad for recruitment.
Bramendor 1 year ago
@Bramendor Cynical. That's a cynical viewpoint. You don't know that at all.
We are all entitled to our opinions, even prophets of God are too. They may feel real strong about how things are, or were, of things not of this world, and yet, if that does not make it into the SCRIPTURES, then it is NOT doctrine. Don't you understand that?
For instance, I think there was a first God. Its not doctrine,not taught in church, but I PERSONALLY believe it, but its not doctrine. I could be wrong too.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@Eyresworld
It seems to me that prophets should not have opinions that "might be a little far out" How does one go about deciding which of a prophet's words are word of god or his opinions?
elopez0911 1 year ago
It is not all about feeling in the end. It is all about truth.
steffyb528 1 year ago
@steffyb528 ...and you learned this from?
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman Well think about it. Mormons believe in objective Scriptures too. It doesn't say you'll go to Heaven based on feeling and how you felt on earth. It will be based on whether you accepted the truth. There is ample evidence that that is the truth of the Bible. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father except through me" Homosexuals, for example, feel good about who they are and do, but that doesn't mean they are right.
steffyb528 1 year ago
@steffyb528 I learned from the scriptures that happiness is NOT relative. That wickedness never was happiness. If homosexuals were so happy about it, they would not be trying to convince all the rest of us to be happy about it too. They just would be. Do you see me, a mormon, trying to convince the world that I am happy about it and that I want you to be happy about the fact too? That I want to make you be happy about it, or be a hatemonger? That's how it feels what so many gays are doing.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman Can we Please not refer to them as "Gays" anymore?
I really have a personal issue with calling those who subject themselves to Homosexual selfishness, 'Gay" which means happy, and theones I have met are anything but happy.
As Christians I wish to take the word "Gay" back, and refer to them as they use to enjoy being called,.. "Queer" because they do relish the strange unnatural indulgences.
I am also taking back the RainBow. That belongs to God as well. & Unicorns too. lol
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@steffyb528 Thanks for your comments.
I have a different view on the feelings. The feelings part of my life are all important. If I am depressed, that's pretty disfunctional. I need to always be on TOP of my feelings and when I get feelings and comfort from the Lord by the Holy Ghost, that is something that I truly value. When I am afraid or worry, I pray to feel better, and I do feel better. It is imperative to me that I feel good and Godly feelings. That is my truth.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
The anti Christs are trying to get the ratings up on the banned mormon Cartoon so more people see it.
It may lead people to more questions than opposition though.
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@Sephuskal Yeah I agree. Jesus said "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." (Matt 7:14), and I think that those few who do find it won't be deceived by the silly video. They would press for the truth and eventually FIND it. But that means that the truth should be "findable" and with the new websites the Church is putting up, it will be.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman Just had a Jewish man hit me up who bought a Book of Mormon yesterday...lol and I'm all worked up with the spirit of contention from that stupid channel lol!
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@nickschmitt Well you need a little bit of that to overcome the CYNICAL mindset that blocks all faith, the kind that atheists have. That IS sad, and the way to happiness is letting go of it and embracing that which makes us truly happy. I have, and I am the fool in the eyes of the world. I don't care about that. I know what is real for I have seen and felt it. Its great.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
Okay, so you don't get your "own planet". Granted. Of every statement, every point made, every allegation of that cartoon, your singular rebuttal is that the "get your own planet" idea is the one that must be reigned in. Not the racism, not the pantheon of gods and demigods, not the idea that Jesus had a harem of wives, not that Joseph Smith self-appointed himself as part of the Holy Tribunal, or any of the other very profound deviations from recognized scripture. It's the planet thing. Gotcha.
StraightRazor99 1 year ago
@StraightRazor99 That is NOT my only rebuttal. I take exception to the DIAPERS in heaven. I take exception to the BLACK spirits. I take exception to the Father knocking on Mary's door implying he is making a sexual visit there. I take exception to the spooky music. I take exception to the fact that an ADULTERER made the movie, who was excommunicated from this church, and broke his wife's heart and then decided to fight the church. Do you know the origins of this madness? DICK BAER. Bad guy.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
Did I read accurately? You think it's more accurate to go outside and see how it feels or if it's snowing to detect long term climate (not WEATHER) changes versus unthinking weather instruments collecting thousands of data points on a daily basis and comparing that to previous climatological evidence? I'm not arguing that climate change isn't BS...The AlGore version is demonstrably BS...But indicating that going outside is a better way to check the global climate. That's just bizarre thinking.
olwizard 1 year ago
@olwizard Yeah, I'm almost to the point that I don't even CARE anymore, because I know we've been lied to, and I know its not that hot (a 1/10 of a degree is NO BIG DEAL no matter how you spin it), and there are always these news reports about RECORD cold weather in places, and it just makes me get sick of the propaganda.
GOD is in control of this world. He is not letting us "destroy" it. If it warms in one place, it cools in another. SO???
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman (PART 1) See, I don't think we're talking about the destruction of the planet, but obviously we can affect it...we have rendered parts of the world unlivable, and while we may (ammicably I hope) disagree about God being in control, I hope we can agree that we are allowed to do some horrible horrible things, that are completely destructive. See: Hitler/Stalin.
(cont...)
olwizard 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman I have done some very scant research into it, and I agree with you 100% that the MEDIA (not the scientists, well not all of them at least) and bald face liars like Algore have blown it way out of proportion, be it out of ignorance or being a dastardly liar (Gore). BUT, that said, the planet is changing dramatically...ask the polar bears. Whether we have anything to do with it or not is another question, but I do believe it's a fair question to ask.
olwizard 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman (Last point) We don't know how much longer this dispensation will last. I, personally, am not religious, so I believe there will be no magic 11th hour reprive from the second coming, however even if you do, you have to agree that we don't know when Jesus will come. Joseph Smith thought it'd be in his lifetime, and very soon...he was wrong. "Soon" to an eternal being could be many many generations to we finite characters.
olwizard 1 year ago
Do you think feelings are more important then evidence, when it comes to finding out what the truth is (on a general basis)?
thisisnotanick 1 year ago
@thisisnotanick "evidence" can be FALLIBLE. I am recalling all that "evidence" that there was global warming when they were cooking the charts in the science departments. Anytime there is some entity looking to take away some of our money, we can smell a fish.
So yeah, I trust in God a whole lot more than I do in the ways of the world, the evidences that they have to offer, because some people do LIE in this world, you know?
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman Global warming is a fact.
People can lie, evidence does not.
You argument is fallible, because what you put your faith in is the word of people, with absolutely no evidence to back it up. You good sir not only ignore evidence, but you have a double standard and a confirmation bias.
thisisnotanick 1 year ago
@thisisnotanick Global warming and cooling is a fact. We can see the temperature charts that scientist have formulated from the data. We can see that the VIKINGS had it HOTTER than we, and they did not have cars. So we can see that all of these hyperactive assumptions put forth by environmentalists and mother earth pagans are just their opinions now, especially since some of those scientists felt the need to hide the decline last decade and CREATE the HOCKEY STICK charts that Al Gore used.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman Climate models based on purely natural processes such as solar activity and volcanic eruptions fail to explain the observed change in Earth's climate in the latter part of the 20th century. Models factoring in the human impact, that is, the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, depict the transpired warming accurately, however.
The current rate of global warming is unprecedented and is being caused by humans. Reading scientific journals would do you some good.
thisisnotanick 1 year ago
@thisisnotanick Yeah, I'm really heatin' up here!! I mean, all these SNOW STORMS and all, and other weather type reasons to make me DOUBT your position on this. I saw all the charts, I would post them here if I could, it shows a CYCLICAL up and down, up and down, up and down for thousands of years.
Maybe you should read LESS of the journals you pick and choose, just look outside and observe weather in general, feel the temperatures for yourself, and enjoy life. God is in control.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman Trying to ridicule arguments based on evidence and peer review with comments like "Yeah, I'm really heatin' up here!" and "just look outside and observe weather in general" just goes to show you are out of arguments.
thisisnotanick 1 year ago
@thisisnotanick I tend to rely more on empirical evidences, being of the scientific and engineering leaning. In other words, if I can't see it happening, I am not going to believe it is happening.
Ever visit weather dot com? I do, and EVERY time they get it wrong. Why do I go back? The same reason some dumb people believe there is global warming. They still trust in it a little. I don't anymore. Blame me?
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
how come LDS excluded blacks from priesthood till 1978?
you must feel like you were a good person in a past existence to not be black now.
goemon9378 1 year ago
@goemon9378 you know, that's just nonsense to think such stuff. With that kind of thinking, you would think that RICH people in this world were more righteous in the previous life, but that's not true. Most rich people are wicked from what I can tell. Also you might think that people born in 3rd world countries are less loved by God than those born in America, and you would be wrong. God loves us all THE SAME.
The priesthood is an entirely different thing. Levites had it exclusively anciently
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
I was raised LDS/Mormon, and the video seems accurate to me. You should check your theology.
dougules 1 year ago
@dougules ...but your own channel says that you favorite EXmormon videos so that makes me think you don't think the same way I do. Just suggesting that your version of things is going to differ from mine. I can watch the vdeo and see the OBVIOUS lies and distortions by Ed Decker. It was completely NOT accurate. I do know that.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
What the hell is wrong with you people? How can any of you believe this nonsense?
dinkist911 1 year ago
@dinkist911 It's The Great Mormon Cartoon Distortion
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
After the first 100 years, I think you'd start to get bored with eternal heaven. Paradise is only appealing in comparison to the mundanity and mortality of this life. A life with no end would cease to have meaning. You'd have nothing to aim for, nothing to achieve, nothing to overcome.
Steve7508 1 year ago
@Steve7508 Not for me. I've got thousands of ideas on why the universe is far more interesting than just this earth in the little city where I currently live. THINK BIG!
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman I have to agree. If paradise is perfect, how can it be boring? But I also think JS was a fraud.
KraftwithaK 1 year ago
All this guy is doing is stating what he "feels" is the truth, but he really isn't exercising himself in the realm of Biblical exegesis. What does the Bible really teach? He obviously has no idea. And he's blatanly lying as well, when it comes to historical Mormon teachings. I'd love to get into a discussion with him regarding some of the outlandish quotes put forth by the founding fathers of the Mormon Church.
peterpulpitpounder 1 year ago
@peterpulpitpounder We are IN a discussion now... Your interpretations of Bible scripture are half the problem. Your methodology, your "exegesis" of things is causing various scriptures in the Bible to be inconsistent, to be incompatible, all the while while taking ONE scripture completely out of Bible context, trying to use it to disprove Mormon doctrine that God is our Father and that we are literally His children. Children of God.
Ye are gods; and ALL OF YOU are children of the most High.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@peterpulpitpounder Why dont you seend a message to him and invite him to a spype talk.
Maby he dont wast time.
chrstilen5 1 year ago
Um, let's see just how distorted this is, and please don't appeal to some burning in your bosom while suppressing the clear teachings of the Bible.
Isaiah 43:10 clearly states that no gods will be formed before god, nor shall any gods be formed after me. In other words, God is eternal, is the only god that exists, and there will never be any other god.
And yet Mormon theology states, "We must learn to become gods, the same as all gods have done before us."
Total contradiction.
peterpulpitpounder 1 year ago
@peterpulpitpounder ...and don't forget how other Bible verses contradict with the one YOU showed here, and the reason they contradict is BECAUSE you are misinterpreting the first. The trick is to find the interpretations that make all of these scriptures COMPATIBLE. I have done that work for you. Here is another scripture that conrtradicts your INTERPRETATION of the first:
Ps. 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Now to fix it, think MORMON doctrine.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
I'm glad that you mentioned my head. The word says, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, MIND, soul and strength." I have not neglected my heart because I feel the presence of the Lord daily. You have been misguided by a false witness that has clouded your mind. It has closed your eyes to the truth of the scriptures and you close your eyes and ears, and yell at the top of your lungs like the pharisees did at Stephen's confession. You believe what you want to believe. I will trust God.
dknott44 1 year ago
@dknott44 I named by son Stephen based on that very story, which I respect very much, and which also corroborates the Mormon doctrine completed, because like Joseph Smith's vision of the Father and the Son, Stephen saw God the Father AND His Son Jesus Christ on his right, and he saw TWO personages. He saw the heavens OPEN and He saw how it was. That scripture, thank you very much for pointing it out, validates what Joseph Smith saw and heard. TWO PEOPLE.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@dknott44 Stephen said: 51 ¶ Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
I think you are resisting the Holy Ghost and embracing your brain.
Stephen told Pharisees that they resisted the HOLY GHOST and so they killed him for saying that.
55 But [Stephen], being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
mormonanswerman 1 year ago