The Church Of Christ is a movement, but not by man's will. but by God's Will, because its in the Holy Bible along with the Form(pattern) Of teaching that was left by Christ-Romans, 6:17. Chruc Of Christ-Minister Dennis Melton
@ey372 Do you realize we have 172 comments on this video? Obviously you haven't read them or our replies. You're only proving to everyone reading this that you're a true Campbellite since you're simply saying what all the other Campbellites (like a broken record) say. The problem you have is the same problem that all the other Campbellites have, namely, you haven't been indwelt by the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19-20, 1 Cor 3:16, Romans 8:8-17, etc) & thus you can't understand (1 Cor 2:14).
HAAAVE MERCY I DON'T NO MORE KNOW WHAT THESE MEN ARE TALKING BOUT THAN THE MAN ON THA MOON. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S FOR THE CHURCH OF CHRIST AND WHO'S AGAINST THEM.
@Yeppr Let's see if we can help your understanding but it may be impossible in your case since it would require basic intelligence. There may be hope since even public schools have special education departments for their mentally deficient students so we'll try to make this so simple a moron would get it. The "Church of Christ" guys in this video say only "Church of Christ" members who are water baptized are saved & everyone else is going to hell, get it? The guys that don't agree aren't "CoC."
@sorens70601 You can be a "missionary" & claim to "know" the Bible all your life but at the same time never come to a knowledge of the truth (2 Tim 3:7). The apostle Paul ran into people like you all of the time. People have been Jehovah's Witnesses all of their lives (see our Youtube series "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES: DECEIVED DECEIVERS") & they claim like you do, "conditional security" for your salvation. In other words you say to "keep on doing enough good works" to be saved. Wrong, Eph 2:8-10!
@bullawaya You can study the Bible all your life & never come to a knowledge of the truth (2 Timothy 3:7), that's why you need God to save you by His Holy Spirit (Acts 10:44-48) as Cornelius & his household were. They did not "save" themselves, but God did it by His sovereign GRACE (not by any water baptism that Cornelius performed either). They were BORN AGAIN by a supernatural act of God BEFORE they were baptized. God sent the angel to both Cornelius & Peter, get it? God ORDAINED everything.
@bullawaya There's where you're wrong my friend. You lamely CLAIM that the word "foreknow" means "to know beforehand, nothing else" which ignores the base Greek word "proginosko" found not only in Rom 8:29 but also Acts 26:5, 1 Peter 1:20, 2 Peter 3:17 but has as its derivative Greek word "ginosko" meaning to "know experientially, to know intuitively, to have a relationship with" (as mentioned before in Matthew 7:23, Amos 3:2, etc), get it? Thus "foreknew" implies a relationship like marriage.
@bullawaya Thanks for finally answering my question about Dave Hunt since several days ago I saw on your Youtube channel that you subscribed to him. If you "don't listen or study dave hunt" then why do you show that you subscribe to him on your Youtube channel?? Next, it's obvious why you would like Dan Corner since he is a Pelagian heretic who argues for "conditional salvation" (we have a 2 hour radio debate he did against us). This explains why you refuse to believe Romans 9:11-13 & ELECTION!
@bullawaya I noticed you didn't get the point I was making about "foreknowledge" in my previous comment since you missed the clear implications of Genesis 4:1, 17, 25 (Adam "knew" Eve, Cain "knew" his wife),
Amos 3:2 ("You only have I "known" of all the families of the earth") or even Matthew 7:23 ("And then I will profess unto them, I never 'knew' you"). You probably didn't bother to look up the Bible references. Do you see how "knew" & "foreknew" means a relationship in a very intimate way?
@bullawaya I like your attitude towards studying the Bible which is the way it should be. You still haven't told me if you like to study a lot of Dave Hunt's materials because I noticed you didn't add him to your list here. Do you like Dave Hunt? Anyway, I spent some time with you here on Youtube but my time is limited (I just happened to be on vacation this week) & I won't be able to continue doing this. Please keep your comments down to 1 or 2 at most (I have others to deal with). John 14:6
@bullawaya Based on what you're saying here it looks like you believe you have to keep doing ENOUGH good works in your life IN ORDER TO STAY SAVED, is that right? The thing that separates Christianity from all of the other religions & cults (these others are just Satanically inspired religions anyway) is that in Christianity you are SAVED BY GRACE, NOT OF WORKS (Ephesians 2:8-10) while in the rest of the religions you're saved by doing whatever "works" are required. GRACE is UNMERITED FAVOR.
@bullawaya Once again you misunderstand the actual Calvinistic position. Your problem is you don't REALLY know what REAL Calvinism is & you thus spend all your time attacking a fake image of Calvinism (in logic called a "strawman"). Here you CLAIM that Calvinists believe "neither is by any will or action or anything from man's part" but this is not correct. Once again, see the video, "Dave Hunt of the Berean Call, Calvinism, & the Baptist Confessions" on VIMEO VIDEO for clarification on this.
@bullawaya Romans 8:29, "Foreknew" (Greek - "proegno," second aorist active indicative of "proginosko," an old verb as in Acts 26:5. See also Psalm 1:6 & Matthew 7:23. This "fore-knowledge & CHOICE is placed in ETERNITY in Ephesians 1:4 meaning God "foreordained" (Greek - "proorisen"). This first aorist active indicative of "proorizo" means to "APPOINT BEFOREHAND" as in Acts 4:28 & 1 Corinthians 2:7. Next, check out "knew" in a KJV in Genesis 4:1, 17, 25 & also "known" in Amos 3:2. God "knows."
@bullawaya Here you are making the classical logical fallacy of EQUIVOCATION with your constant use of "OSAS" (meaning "Once Saved Always Saved") which is not what classical Calvinism teaches (what Arminian sources have you been reading to get these strange ideas?). In the the classic TULIP understanding, the "P" does not mean "OSAS" but "Perseverance of the Saints" (there's a big difference here). Romans 8:27 ff shows that "perseverance" is only for those predestinated, justified, & glorified.
@bullawaya We have a 3 hour video series on Youtube entitled, "Cultic-Hyper Calvinistic Doctrines of the Primitive Baptist Church" which explains the great differences between what would be called "normal" Calvinism & "hyper-Calvinism." The series features a special guest, Steve M. Garrett, who himself was a Primitive Baptist minister before he finally left the movement. A mistake many people make (I'm not saying you are here) is confusing hyper-Calvinism with the normal Calvinistic theology.
@bullawaya Thanks for trying to explain "Calvinism" but you're understanding is obscure since all you say is :T - total depravity being the most biblical" then you go off into your own theology world of talking about "free will" without giving any Scriptural proof for anything. Get out a good Concordance (like Strong's) & look up the word "freewill" in the Bible. Do these verses relate to what you're talking about? Next I noticed you didn't answer Romans 9:11-13. Why does God HATE beforehand?
@bullawaya How do you define "Calvinism" if that's all you're saying? What does it mean to you since it can mean a lot of different things to different people? I'm not talking about Calvinism, I'm talking about Romans 9:11-13 for instance, "For the children being not yet born, neither HAVING DONE ANY GOOD OR EVIL, that the PURPOSE of God according to ELECTION might stand, NOT OF WORKS, but of Him that CALLETH ... Jacob have I LOVED, but Esau have I HATED." God hates people BEFORE they do WORKS.
@bullawaya Oh, since you claim to know so much why don't you help out the readers of these comments & please tell us what "all of the Bible" you're referring to in reference to Romans chapter 9 (particularly Romans 9:11-18). To help you along with your "answer" try watching the 4 hour debate "Did Jesus Die for Everybody Who Ever Lived? (between Larry Wessels & Steve McCalip) which here on the CANSWERSTV Youtube account is broken into 24 ten minute segments (start with the Romans 9:11 one first).
Baptism is like a formula. You can not leave out an ingredient of something that make it either work right or taste good. In tne book of Acts which is the act of something we find many who followed instructions of salvation. I know that baptism shows your faith in commenting to walk with Christ and it leads to follow His Word. But we can not say that baptism isn't nessesary because it is. We must follow the Apostles teaching John 17:20.
@052260 Are you saying that "baptism" is a FORMULA TO GET SAVED?! You're saying that in order to get saved you must MIX THE INGREDIENTS OF BAPTISM & GOOD WORKS?! So you believe that you can GET YOURSELF SAVED BY YOU'RE OWN GOOD BAPTISM & WORKS?! Man, you'd make a good Romanist! You need to join Rome today so you can get blessed by the Pope. You mean Ephesians 2:8-10 doesn't apply afterall? What about an astronaunt in space who wants to become a Christian? Are you saying he can't without baptism?
@CAnswersTV And yes that astronaunt must be baptized just as the bible says to be saved. We must do it exactly the way the Lord has prescribed. There is a reason why the scriptures were written the way they were. We have to eat the WHOLE ROLL. Amd my brother I would NEVER call you out of your name. That shows character. Please don't be affended. Pray for me and I for you.
@052260 Your "works" of keeping the "whole roll" will get you saved?! The astronaunt is "lost in space" because there is not enough water for him to get properly water baptized in the spaceship?! How come the thief on the cross was SAVED & went to paradise WITHOUT GETTING WATER BAPTIZED? The thief had no chance to get water baptized yet he was saved just as Cornelius & his household were filled with the Spirit & SAVED by God (Acts 10) BEFORE they were water baptized. Baptism is AFTER salvation.
You can twist that verse all you want, BUT the fact remains people of that time understood it properly and were being water immersed for forgiveness of Sins, not because of. History tells us they were being immersed, So you can twist scripture but these folks were obeying the apostles in this act of baptism and the scripture are clear why they were doing so.
@MrJohnnymiller54 The only one "twisting" the Scripture is you. You have never been supernaturally "born again" (John 3:3-8, Titus 3:5-7, 1 Corinthians 6:19-20, Romans 8:8-17, etc) by the power of the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17) because you "think" your water baptism is your SAVIOUR. IF you HAD REALLY been supernaturally INDWELT by the Holy Spirit at your conversion to Christ you would NEVER BELIEVE that water baptism is what saves you! The thief on the cross & Cornelius in Acts 10 refute you.
@052260 Baptism is the "putting away" (cf Hebrews 10:22) BUT what ACTUALLY saves is "the answer of a good conscience toward God" NOT baptism. In context, "baptism" is used metaphorically to symbolize a conscience clear before God (achieved by the washing of the conscience by the blood of Christ (Heb 10:22, Titus 3:5, Rev 1:5, 1 John 1:7) & is acquired ENTIRELY by FAITH (Romans 3:28, Ephesians 2:8-10) BEFORE baptism in water is practiced as a sign of that good conscience (Romans 4:8-11), get it?
@CAnswersTV Wow talk about stepping around the issue. God made the Bible easy to understand. You sir twist doctrine and are leading people to hell. God is no author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33). Are you saying God didn't make His Word easy to understand?
@J283T Wow, don't you know what the Bible says, "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned & unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." (2 Peter 3:16). See 1 Cor 11:18-19 too. Remember, Jesus did not pray for everybody (John 17:9) & he spoke in parables so people would not understand & thus be saved (Mark 4:10-12); God only saves His elect (Romans 9:11-23).
@CAnswersTV And how do you become one of His elect? Are you saying that certain people have no chance? What did Paul, who Peter was talking about in his epistles, say on Mar's hill that God wishes everyone to do? Yes there are certain portions that take serious study and the Bible is so full of detail no one could simply learn it all, but how is talking about Epistles, which are targeted at Christians (the saved), have to do with those becoming believers? What did Paul say about milk & solid?
@J283T Let's see, tell me, did Esau have a "chance" to get saved (Romans 9:11-16)? If God HATES you BEFORE you are even born & have not done anything good or bad how is it you have a "chance"? Did Pharoah have a "chance" to get saved or did God create Him to "shew" His "power in" him (Romans 9:17-18)? Did Judas have a "chance" or was he a "devil" from the beginning (John 6:70)? Can "devils" & Satan be saved or are they destined for hell (Matt 25:41, 2 Peter 2:4)? What are "vessels of wrath" ?
since I heard from you all here, he has ask me to fly him here, pay his food, his hotel, his rental car, and a weeks salary, on top of the $2000 in air time for a debate! He must hink he is something. He is a primitive baptist on top of that. He does not even believe we have to hear his message to be saved... elected you know>>> so why all the money wasted?
@BibleSaysTV JBoy exposes his ignorance: (1) I am not a "primitive Baptist". (2) I did not ask for $2000. (3) I DO believe one has to hear the message to be saved. (3) I have not rec'd "40 messages." JBoy is beside himself. He can create more Campbellite dust than an Okie tornado! If JBoy wants publicity by my debating him, he should be willing to at least pay all my expenses, don't you think? Don't forget Mr BLOWHARD, you STARTED this, you MUST COME TO AUSTIN FIRST, remember? -- Bob L. Ross
@Paul1T2Day This brother (who was himself a former "Church of Christ" member) testifies that the Campbellite named Johnny Robertson is not a credible source for reliable info about the Biblical Gospel or church history. Nor are honorable ethics in following the rules of debate used by "JohnnyBoy" as stated by this witness. Simply observing what "JohnnyBoy" has said thus far in our comments section further illustrates the point. "JohnnyBoy" brags on himself & dodges Austin debate conditions.
Also, Johnny would have to pay for all the tv air time for the debate. I guess Mr. Ross could care less if souls got saved just as long as he gets paid.
Btw, I forgot to mention that Mr. Ross seems quite childish as he seems to like to call names ("Johnnyboy").
At any rate, I for one would love to see this debate. If I could afford it I would pay Mr. Ross' salary for him, but since I have about $200.00 to my name and I live off of unemployment and food stamps, that unfortunantly won't happen.
@JSBrown303 I suppose Mr. Brown thinks it was a wonderful deal for JohnBoy to originally ask me to pay my own expenses (travel, food, lodging,etc.) & forfeit a week's salary, just to please JohnBoy to debate in his favorite comfort zone, what he call's "Live TV." I wonder how Mr. B would like it if I invited Mr. B to pay his way to Austin and forfeit a week's pay, but then again Mr B is a poor vagrant who lives off other people's money via food stamps & unemployment (2 Thess 3:10-11). - Ross
@CAnswersTV I would gladly work if I could get ANYBODY to hire me. But, for reasons I cannot fathom no one will. I am a good, loyal, hard worker, who is very rarly late or takes off, and is clean shaven, well dressed, with no tattoos or piercings. I have at least a H.S. diploma and a Universal Technicians Certification in HVAC. Yet NO ONE will hire me.
But they will hire these punks who have no education, are not clean shaven, well dressed, have numerous tats and piercings, & are always late.
@CAnswersTV McDonald's? Been there done that 15 years ago (long before I obeyed the Gospel). Must have done something to tick them off cause now I can't even get an interview there. I actually don't even know the official reason I stopped working there. I went on vacation once (even asked for time off), came back and got no hours for a couple of weeks, and when I asked why they said they didn't know I still worked there. I never went back.
@CAnswersTV Anyways, like I said before I would pay your way if I could. You ask how I would like it if you invited me to pay my way and such? Well, isn't that what you're asking Johnny to do? And, like Johnny I would gladly do it for the opportunity to preach the Gospel. Also, we brethren in the c of C take care of each other as we would help each other to pay those expenses. We would even welcome each other into our homes so that we wouldn't need a motel.Can you say the same for your brethren?
@JSBrown303 You say that like Johnny you'd pay your way to preach the Gospel. But that isn't what JohnBoy said. He wanted me to pay my way and forfeit a week's salary to come to his place for debate. We invited JohnBoy to come to Austin but he doesn't want to preach his "gospel" out here. He has a local following, whereas in Austin he'd reach multitudes. Is money his problem, too, like you? Maybe those who follow him could take up an offering so JohnBoy could come to Texas on a "mission."-Ross
@CAnswersTV So basically you're saying that you would only preach and try to save souls if you got paid? Personally, I would preach for free. Just knowing that I helped someone reach heaven would be worth more to me than all the money in the world.
As for multitudes, is your program streamed live on the internet like Johnny's programs? Personally, I hadn't even heard of you until you and Johnny started communicating in this thread. Btw, I live in Tennessee, nowhere near Johnny.
@JSBrown303 You misunderstand, Mr. B. I'm preaching all the time with opportunity, but your hero JohnBoy wanted me to stop & come to him to debate, pay my own expenses, give up a week's salary. As for JohnBoy's TV program, we've a greater audience than he has. Just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean the whole world is watching! Most of his viewers are probably local Campbellites. I never heard of either JohnBoy or you until JohnBoy contacted me. He knew about me, but I never heard of him
@CAnswersTV Actually, I'm quite glad to hear that you've preached without being paid, and I respect that. It just seemed from your responces that you would only preach if you got paid. Of course, it's easy to assume things incorrectly in this type of forum. As for what your giving up, aren't you in essence asking Johnny to give up the same? The difference is that I'm sure Johnny would give up those things to preach without a second thought. Can you say the same? To be continued in next post.
@JSBrown303 Mr, B, you ask, "As for what your giving up, aren't you in essence asking Johnny to give up the same?" I did not ask JohnBoy for a debate -- he proposed it. But he wanted me to come to his area, and at my expense. If he wants to debate so badly, then he is welcome to come down here in whatever way he chooses. Maybe he can hitchhike. He says he has brethren down this way, perhaps they can pay his way. He stated he would come to Austin FIRST but has now BACKED OUT & RUN AWAY.- Bob Ross
@CAnswersTV I sure that Johnny does have brethren in many places (Tennessee, Michigan, N.C., Virginia, Texas, to name but a few) who would help him to pay his expenses. The question is, do you have brethren who will help you? If you do then why don't you ask them for help? I'm sure you have no problem asking for money at your worship services and tv program. Btw, if you're wondering why he's not willing to pay your expenses read 2 John 10-11.
@JSBrown303 Mr. B asks,"do you have brethren who will help you?" You want me to ask brethren to take responsibility that belongs to JohnBoy? Phew!! Jboy initiated this, not us. We never heard of him, stuck off up there in ole Virginny, even blacklisted by some CC preachers. We've no obligation to Jboy. He's welcome to come to Austin, if he pleases, but it looks like JohnBoy has CUT & RUN & all that is left is you running your jaws about something he REFUSES to do.Try Burger King. -- Bob Ross
@CAnswersTV As a preacher yourself you should know how busy Johnny must be with writing lesson for all his sermons, Bible classes, tv programs, etc. Though I'm not a preacher, I have written a few lessons for devotional talks and Bible classes so I know how time consuming it can be. My point is, I'm sure Johnny hasn't cut and run. The reason he hasn't made much contact (here at least) is that he's just extremely busy. I'm sure he'll get back in contact soon.
@JSBrown303 Brown says, "you should know how busy Johnny must be." I have no idea. I never heard of him till lately. He was not too busy to contact me, though I've never heard of him. If he comes to Austin, JBoy will become better known. He needs more publicity, and we can provide it down here. He is simply too much of a BLOWHARD to honestly want to keep his word & debate here in Austin FIRST. He is INSINCERE at best & COMPLETELY CHICKEN at worst thus making him a waste of time. -- Bob Ross
@CAnswersTV now we see self important Ross is. If he has not heard of you then you are not published. Maybe Bobby , it is because I am not a glory hound like you, spend 20 minutes in Brown debate telling all your accomplishments. I spent 7 years of the 20 I have been preaching in the Marshall Islands doing work in the countries in association with them. Then on to Virginia to try help the Lord's church fallen into christian church disciples hands. I don't try to get on lectures ect. just work
@BibleSaysTV JohnBoy says he spent 7 years in the Marshall Islands preaching CC error, and I suppose he wants a "blue ribbon" for that? He has spent 20 years preaching false CC doctrine, and he wants to toot his horn about that? He should be ashamed! Come on down to Austin and tell us all about how you spread the "Water Gospel" for 20 years! -- Bob L. Ross
@CAnswersTV mr ross might look at youtube... robertson vs AC SMITH baptist lies.
anyone can see how ignorant you are from the mail you sent me. you showed all these translations that do not contain "in order to" in Act 2:38 but you don't have the sense to see if that makes your case against it, what does it do to your case for "because of" in the same verse where it does not appear in all the translations? I would love to get you on REAL TV not some cable access show
@BibleSaysTV JohnBoy says, "you showed all these translations that do not contain 'in order to' in Act 2:38." Yes, and this proves that CC preachers are wrong when they say "We speak where the Bible speaks." I challenge you again to show where I (Bob L. Ross) have said it means "because of" in Acts 2:38. You have not even attempted it. As far as Cable TV goes, the outreach here in Austin right now is over 200,000 households while your "REAL TV" would be lucky to get a few hundred viewings.
Ross wrote in email; Come on down to Austin, JohnBoy, and bring the money with you for my trip to Virginny -- my air fare, rental car, lodging, meals, etc. I will know you mean business when you show up in Austin. Floyd Chappelear paid for me to come to Annandale, Va. to debate him. I didn't have a Moderator, so A. C. Grider (Campbellite) agreed to be my moderator! He called the only "point of order" in my favor! He later wanted me to come to his town for a month's debate!!! ....more later
@BibleSaysTV JohnBoy, all this palabber you write adds up to BLOWHARD. Modern CofC wants nothing to do with A. Campbell.The only hope Campbell has for Heaven is based on what Baptists preach - salvation by grace thru faith. Campbell said he was saved before baptism, and never had "baptism in order to obtain" remission of sins. He didn't even believe it till years later. But he never got rebaptized, and the only baptism he ever had was by a Baptist preacher. Come down to Austin to debate. -Ross
oh brother! I was the feature on the local news 3 days in a row this week. I doubt you have ever been noticed by anyone but KJV only Primitive Baptist and the few brethren you have debated from the Lord's church. Everyone who is reading this sees you are a merchandiser... from 2Pet 2:3. Pay your salary, please. You are a hireling at best. Do some research and see if i have the creds to put you on the map. We see u are just like the website answering the church of Christ (all blow no show)
@BibleSaysTV JohnBoy, I took your advice and Googled you. I could not find a reference to your debates. Have you had any public debates? My debates are listed in the Encyclopedia of Religious Debates by a Church of Christ minister, Mr. Thomas Thrasher. I did not see you on the list. Quit "acting" like you didn't offer to come to Austin FIRST to debate so based on that condition I would then come to Greensboro to debate you at your expense. You are showing a decided lack of integrity.- Bob Ross
Bob, i have watched this video and i can firmly and proudly say that there is no way you would win a debate with Johnny....No "preacher" in NC or VA can win or has win...myself included....he literally has an answer for everything...which is a great thing.....Johnny has more biblical knowledge than all the preachers in this area put togather...he is a wounderful mentor!!!
@bwilliams531 Hello, JohnBoy -I responded to newspaper advertising which attacked the truth by the whole Dallas-Fort Worth area of Campbellite sponsoring churches a few years ago & accepted their broad challenge for a debate. They all backed out, even though Baptists in Dallas were going to foot the bill for my expenses. I'll send you the first two articles pertaining to this matter. Other articles will be sent upon request. Reader requests can made by personal message to CANSWERSTV inbox.
@bwilliams531 Of course, since JohnBoy does not seem interested in coming to Austin for a debate, it would be rather difficult to "win a debate" with him, wouldn't it? He can thus remain "undefeated" by staying close to his home playing field (1 Kings 20:11). -- Bob Ross
I don't understand. Johnny is offering to debate you on his dime, Bob, and you turn it down? Why? What is the reason? There must be some way to deal with your limitations.
@ThusSayethTheLord JohnnyBoy is "chickening out" of this debate which states that he is to come to Austin, Texas FIRST, get it? JohnnyBoy said, " if I come to Austin are you going to agree to come to Greensboro NC. We will be playing the 1st debate from Austin live WGSR, and in Muskeegan MI simulcast" (viewers can read this in his previous comments unless he decides to hide the evidence by deleting his own comment - look for "comment removed" if he does). Ross agreed but JB has turned tail.
@ThusSayethTheLord On the contrary, JohnBoy has scoffed at the idea of paying my expenses, including a week's salary since I would have to take off from work. His "dime"? What "dime"? No "dime" from JohnBoy has arrived at my mail box. -- Bob Ross
Every Baptist in this are knows me and they want someone to answer. They have tried suing me, threats, and we take in it stride. They all have gotten together in the two state area and agreed to post no trespass signs to keep people from videoing preachers sermons and giving them to me to air the child like arguments on TV. I have a email from O'Donnell saying "Robertson can't be answered..." and you are no Bret O'Donnell I don't care what you write about yourself
@BibleSaysTV JohnBoy says, "At end of the day here is what will be seen." What has been seen from the beginning of the day to the end of it is that you're the Blowhard you appeared to be all along. The only way you can live down being a Blowhard is come to Austin for the debate for which you let-on like you want. The "feather" you have in your hat about Liberty U. is a Buzzard feather. We will put you on TV in the capitol of Texas, and you will have an Eagle's feather to crow about -- Bob Ross
@BibleSaysTV JohnBoy says, "why not pay once and bring you here." Better still, JohnBoy, you can come to Austin and that way you'll only "pay once." You'll save the expenses involved in my coming to your place - like my weekly salary (since I will have to take off from work), my travel expense, meals, lodging, etc. You can take the video we make in Austin and play it wherever you choose. We'll play it on cable TV in Austin, which we have been doing for 25 years. Come here FIRST.-- Bob L. Ross.
At end of the day here is what will be seen. You want me to foot the bill and talk in a room with two of us and you get to decide if you air it or not. I on the other hand have the biggest Baptist anywhere on tape say yes to debate and backing out, before I ever heard of you. (Caner Towns O'Donnell all Liberty guys). I am now prepared to pay your expense, and the expense of LIVE broadcast and you won't do it. You are a coward and cheap to boot! thanks for your time
@BibleSaysTV JohnBoy, you refer to "the cowards at Liberty U"-but I remind you, you're not dealing with anyone at Liberty U. You're dealing with Bob Ross, who has about 50 years of debating Campbellites, including some they regard as "great debaters." I debated Buster Dobbs before 800 in Baytown, debated Garland Elkins before about 1000 in Parkersburg, debated Jackson before hundreds in Austin, etc. Who have you debated in 4-night debates? You look like "small fry" to me, not in the same league.
thanks for posting that ....notice what the first post says, ( You said, " if I come to Austin are you going to agree to come to Greensboro NC)....as we mailed back and forth you BIG DOGS want all expenses paid and I have to travel to you and you offer nothing but YOUR STUDIO. So i decide why pay twice. If I am going to have to pay to have the debate, why not pay once and bring you here. You can play the debate on your cable. What is the difference to you? I pay only once if you come here
@BibleSaysTV If you don't like the conditions, Johnboy, don't blame us. You're the one begging for a debate. I never issue challenges & I only accept challenges which are reasonable. Your idea about my coming to you is not only unreasonable, but it's utter nonsense. I've nothing to gain by plastering you in a debate, so why would I waste a dime on such a project? Don't worry about our Studio; just come on down and we will show you a good time.- Bob Ross. You're giving us EXCUSES for NOT coming!
Ok this reminds me of the cowards at Liberty U that all backed out. Elmer Towns Bret O'Donnell, Ergun Caner, and still waiting on Johnathan Falwell to get his courage up
@BibleSaysTV You said, " if I come to Austin are you going to agree to come to Greensboro NC. We will be playing the 1st debate from Austin live WGSR, and in Muskeegan MI simulcast" (viewers can read this in his previous comments unless he decides to hide the evidence by deleting his own comment - look for "comment removed by author" if he does). Already this "Blowhard" Campbellite is trying to get out of coming to Austin first as a condition for the debate. He's already "backing out."
@BibleSaysTV We knew you were just a "blowhard.' The deal was for you to come here to our TV studio in Austin, Texas FIRST, get it? Since you are challenging, not us, you must conform to the set forth proposition, namely, you come to Austin, Texas FIRST. If you do that & pay for all of Bob Ross' travel expenses THEN he will go to Greensboro as you suggested. You're the one that wants this debate so "come on down" Mr. "Blowhard" & take on Bob here FIRST & you'll be a star on Austin cable TV!
@BibleSaysTV I suppose your "silence" as to the alleged "two old books" means you're not going to give us the titles, Eh? You're "keeping silent where the books are silent," right? You'll find Baptist church in the same verse you find your own so-called Bible name. As for being "ready," I have been "ready" for Campbellites for years. I don't need very much for Campbellism! Come on down to Austin & Larry & I will make you a TV star in Texas just like we've done for other fortunate Campbellites.
It is unbelievable that Ross can claim he is a scholar or whatever he says, and not know that "restoration" began well before 1800. Why does he not read from "Baptist" who date the move to restore Christianity much further than this? Dishonesty abounds! I have in my own possession two books, one 400 years old and the other 230 years old that show the utter falseness of these men. I will debate Ross on TV any time. Watch us on WGSR47.com @ 8:30 eastern live! Call in if you dare
@BibleSaysTV "I have in my own possession two books, one 400 years old and the other 230 years old that show the utter falseness of these men." So says the Campbellite, but he fails to name the 2 old books or quote from them. I have an old book which dates back to the apostolic times and there is nothing in it which is supportive to Campbellism. It's called the Bible. -- Bob Ross. Come to Austin, Texas at your complete expense & time & Bob Ross will participate in a televised debate with you.
@CAnswersTV if I come to Austin are you going to agree to come to Greensboro NC. We will be playing the 1st debate from Austin live WGSR, and in Muskeegan MI simulcast
@BibleSaysTV Sure, I'll come to Greensboro, at your expense. Send the expenses to me and I will meet you anywhere, anytime, on any subject you wish. I don't go to "warfare" at my own expense (1 Cor. 9:7). After you come to Austin (if you have the guts to do it), you may have a change of heart and want the expenses for Greensboro refunded! Your next move is to prove you're not anything more than a blowhard. Bring some help with you - three or four more Campbellite preachers, more fun that way!
If baptism is not essential then how do you explain 1 Peter 3:20-21? It seems pretty clear from that passage that baptism IS essential. Also, baptism is the ONLY way into Christ (Gal 3:26-27). How can one be saved without being in Christ? And, yes, it is the blood of Christ that washes away our sins (Rev 1:5), but at what point do we come into contact with His blood? The Bible says in Acts 22:16 that it is in baptism that we come into contact with Christ's blood.
@JSBrown303 Your problem is simply a spiritual one. Every verse you have brought up have been refuted in our online debate videos (log on to GOOGLE VIDEO, once on their homepage type LARRY WESSELS in their search box & about 200 videos will come up; look for the 22 hour WEEKLONG "CHURCH OF CHRIST" DEBATE or the 13 hr debate "IS THE HOLY SPIRIT LIMITED TO JUST THE BIBLE ONLY?" on YAHOO VIDEO among others & on our website BIBLEQUERY ORG. God saves you NOT baptism (which is a god to Campbellites).
@BibleSaysTV I have often received challenges from unknown-to-me Campbellites to participate in debates but at the expense of my time and finances. I don't even know these "waterfowls" but they want me to waste my time and expense. I have suggested to them that if they are so anxious to debate they can come to my area and I will debate them in public if they can arrange it. But I get no takers. Are they cowards? I have no interest in traveling to debate any Campbellite at my expense. Bob Ross
@BibleSaysTV Your claim is a cowardly one to say the least. Bob Ross has debated more leading Campbellites over the years than you can possibly imagine (go to GOOGLE VIDEO, once on their homepage type in CAMPBELLISM in their search box & watch Bob Ross' 22 hour debate series with Campbellite preacher Bill Jackson or go to YAHOO VIDEO, type CAMPBELLISM, & watch Bob's 13 hour debate with Campbellite preacher David Brown. There are many more not posted online yet. You have made baptism your god.
In the first place, is this a DEBATE? In the second place, if Mr. Ross can take "eis" to mean "because of" in Acts 2: 38, then he can give it the same meaning in Matt 26: 28: it's the same Greek phrase and translated precisely the same in our standard versions. If he does so, I commend him for being consistent; if not, he stands convicted as a mistranslator of the SAME Greek language. If the phrases are not the same, then say so. Jesus gave his life BECAUSE our sins were already forgiven?
@lllllannalllll You apparently have no concept of predestination in regard to salvation. Have you ever read, for Ephesians 1: 4-11, "According as He hath chosen us in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD ... PREDESTINATED US ... in whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being PREDESTINATED according to the purpose of Him Who worketh all things after the counsel of His Own will." Romans 9 says God hates one & loves another before people are even born thus water baptism is not essential.
sorry...ur wrong...repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and you shall recieve the Holy Ghost.......remission of sins...not "because of" repentence.......i will not believe what u say but rather ill believe what the bible says...which is against anything other than the doctrine of duet 6:4, acts 2:38, and john 3:5...there is ONE GOD AND HIS NAME IS JESUS!!!!......
@j1b2k3r4 You sound like a 'oneness pentecostal" who had your origins in the "Azusa Street Revival of 1906" which by 1917 decided that the Trinity was false & you had to be saved by works such as "baptism in Jesus' name" only & speaking in "tongues." Jesus is God (John 1:1,14), second person of the Trinity (John 17:5 - Jesus is distinct from the Father, Matt. 28:19 - thus the one God is Father, Son & Holy Spirit). Baptism does not save you, God saves you (see the thief on the cross, Cornelius).
@CAnswersTV the "word" in john 1 is translated as "Logos" which means "the expretion of thought"..the idea of Jesus was there in the begginning...it was with God, and it is God..Jesus is God fully (Col.2:9) in Matt. 28:19-whats the "name" of the father, and the son, and the holy spirit? the name is Jesus...in acts, they didnt baptize saying "in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit" they did it in the name of Jesus..they got it right.....
@j1b2k3r4 You're wrong in your theology my friend & unless you repent you will be eternally lost. You have created a false god with your "oneness" doctrine (of which the Muslims & Jehovah's Witnesses would be proud of you) by denying the Son of God. You cannot have the Father without the Son (1 John 2:22-23) yet you replace the Son of God with the Father (the ancient heresy of modalism) & thus deny the ETERNAL SON OF GOD (Hebrews 7:3). You have another Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:4, Gal 1:6-9).
Fact faced, my friend. I just have a hard time believing that if you were held hostage along with a Catholic in an Islamic camp, you would feel no brotherhood/fellowship with the Catholic beside you. Of course, the same scenario can substitute any Christian system for Catholic. Do you feel you would be the only saved one in the room in that scene?
@jlmustain You are saved by a sovereign act of God, not by your works. When a supernatural act of the Holy Spirit in power comes on a man's soul he knows it (similiar to Acts 10 with Cornelius & household). That supernatural power of God regenerates the man into a new creature (2 Cor. 5:17) & he goes on to live a life that is pleasing to God to the best of his ability knowing all along that his good works of obedience do NOTHING to EARN his salvation because he already has it.
@CAnswersTV ....your right,God saves us...but its through the repenting of your sins, baptisim in Jesus name, and being filled with the Holy Ghost. this is what He haves us to do...repenting--it makes all your sins dead...baptisim- (is NOT a profession of faith, its) -the actual washing away of your sins....the infilling of the Holy Ghost by speaking in other tongues-is God actually coming and living inside you...you know He is there by the ividence of speaking in other tongues! (acts 2:1-4)
@j1b2k3r4 You're right when you say I'm right but you're wrong on everything else. Water baptism does NOT save you or regenerate you (go to our website BIBLEQUERY ORG, click the EXPERIENCE box on our homepage & scroll down to our newsletters & see the "Oneness Pentecostals" & "The Church of Christ." See the article "Questions to Consider Concerning Baptism." Next you're wrong about speaking in tongues: see 1 Corinthians 12:1-13, it's a sign but not the only sign & unnecessary for salvation.
Did you pick that Bennett fella because you felt like you could bully him better? Hilarious! You're all pretty funny! Seems like you're all relying on physical and vocal positioning to make your points. I'M YELLING AND I'M FUNNY AND I CAN CONTROL THE EDITING SO I'M RIGHT! Haha!
@jlmustain Believe it or not, Bennett & Williams had a local cable access channel here in Austin, Texas back in the day (this debate was taped in 1990). They challenged for debate & our representatives accepted. One thing I found, Bennett & Williams are doing just as you say. Some debaters believe the louder they yell the stronger their points but as you know, this is not the case. Campbellites worship water baptism as their saving god.
@CAnswersTV To be frank with you, sometimes it seems like Baptists worship their ability to say you don't have to be baptized. I don't fall on either side of that, I'm just speaking of my perception. It seems to me that a church would want to be defined by their love for Christ as opposed to some stance on an issue: be it baptism, instruments, no baptism, this only, that only, etc.
@jlmustain Baptists (at least the truly saved ones) battle it out with Campbellites (water baptism salvation gospel), Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower salvation gospel), Mormons (multiple gods salvation gospel), Muslims (Muhammad's works salvation gospel), Atheists (no salvation gospel), Roman Catholics (7 sacraments that "might" get you to Purgatory gospel), & on the list goes. The battle is about what is the TRUE GOSPEL which comes to us by GRACE not WORKS (Eph 2:8-10).
@CAnswersTV Well, to some extent: well said. I don't interpret the "broad is the gate" verse the way you do though. The sheer mass of unbelievers (versus Christendom) seems to me to be those who will walk the broad path. I find it sad to hear of people who preach that it's some type of whittled-down, select group of those within the proper "sect" of Christianity who will make up those who'll walk the narrow path. That's far more elitist than what Christ preached.
@jlmustain You may as well face up to the fact that "not many" are going to be saved from the wrath to come by a righteous & holy God. There is no particular "sect" or street sign church name that buys one a ticket into heaven. Most of the people who claim to be Christians are not going to make it (Matthew 13 & Mark 4 - parable of the sower), just a remnant (Romans 11:5-7). The heathen are already doomed.
@CAnswersTV I grew weary of the Church of Christ not because of baptism, but because I felt like I belonged to a group instead of a body and because that group seemed fine with being defined as the church who didn't use instruments. The Baptists seem the same, but the definition they seem to be fine with is NOT being baptized. Something just feels off there.
@jlmustain Please keep in mind that most that say they are Christians will NOT enter into the Kingdom of God (Matthew 7:13-29). Probability says that most of the professing "believers" among all types of Baptists are simply NOT going to make it to heaven in the end. If this is the case as the Bible makes clear then it only makes sense that many Baptists are NOT going to measure up to Biblical standards. The Campbellites, however, just have a false gospel (Gal. 1:6-9).
ou must Rightly Divide The Word Of Truth to Understand The Scriptures. Mathew-John Describing Jesus B4 The Cross is Old Testament Not New. Mathew 5:17-18 Mathew 7:12. Jesus Said CLEARLY HE WOULD BUILD HIS CHURCH. How Clear can it be? This was an OLD TESTAMENT Short Range Prophesy.Acts Chapter Begins The New Testament.1 Peter 3:21 If Peter an Inspired Man Sais Baptism Saves it does. 1 Cor;15:1-4 Romans 6:3-6 John 3:3-6
@Love6653 This argument is extremely lame, surely you can do better than this? I think you are suffering from a common problem that most people have as found in 1 Corinthians 2:14, namely you need to get saved by a sovereign act of God (Romans 9:11-22, much like Jacob was in this passage). You are putting all your faith & trust in your "church" & your "baptism" instead of faith alone in Christ Jesus.
ou must Rightly Divide The Word Of Truth to Understand The Scriptures. Mathew-John Describing Jesus B4 The Cross is Old Testament Not New. Mathew 5:17-18 Mathew 7:12. Jesus Said CLEARLY HE WOULD BUILD HIS CHURCH. How Clear can it be? This was an OLD TESTAMENT Short Range Prophesy.Acts Chapter Begins The New Testament.1 Peter 3:21 If Peter an Inspired Man Sais Baptism Saves it does. 1 Cor;15:1-4 Romans 6:3-6 John 3:3-6
@Love6653 You just don't seem to get what I'm trying to tell you, do you? I think your problem is found in 1 Corinthians 2:14 but what can I do but simply preach the word & refute the gainsayers (Titus 1:9). Only God can open a man's eyes to see the truth not me (2 Timothy 2:24-26). I've been trying to tell you God builds HIs OWN church NOT YOU, no matter what sign you put outside of the building! The thief & Cornelius did not need baptism to be saved!
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit,after the tradition of men,after the rudiments of the world,and not after Christ.For in him dwelleth ALL the fulness of the GODHEAD bodily.And ye are complete in him,which is the head of ALL principality and power. (Col.2:8-10) you pretend to be leading to Christ; but you are not!
@Truthseeker424Your argument is very unconvincing. Anyone can quote a verse & then say what you are saying. Watch our videos here on Youtube where we debate the Moonies & you'll see what I mean. When studying the total elements of the Campbellite "ancient gospel" established by Alexander & Thomas Campbell, Barton W. Stone & Walter Scott in the early 1800s it's obvious that these men were attempting to invent a "works" ritualistic religion sort of like Romanism without a Pope.
"reyjacobs" you need to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ so that you might be saved from the wrath of God to come. Your "at least" attitude gives away where your heart is when it comes to salvation. It's obvious that you are not concerned with the issues that really matter in life such as knowing Jesus Christ personally (Philippians 3:8-11) & having union with him through the indwelling Spirit of God (Romans 8:14-16). Instead you have chosen an "at least" path which only leads to destruction.
CAnswersTV said You should be concerned with Jesus & trusting only in Him & not in your "obediences" (ie "works", Ephesians 2: 8-10) wow, you need to study your bible sir. again explain Heb 5:8-9, how is salvation given?? Again I will ask you if Noah only believed in God and did not obey him to build the ark, would him and his family be saved by the flood?
If you fully understand what faith is, you would see that because you believe you would act. I Peter 4:17 Obedience is indeed inportant
"kenbvi" you have made an eternally fatal mistake in your Biblical understanding of salvation. Instead of trusting Christ ALONE for your salvation you have added works (obedience) which is another gospel (Galatians 1:6-9). You do obedience NOT TO GET SAVED but because you ALREADY ARE SAVED (at that moment when a person is supernaturally indwelt by the Holy Spirit - 1 Corinthians 6:19). Christ was ALREADY GOD in Heb 5:8-9 & He obeyed. Noah was ALREADY SAVED (Romans 9:11 ff) & thus he obeyed.
I am very disappointed in CAnswersTV answers to many of the questions given. The last disappointed answer is to the question about the Baptist Church found in scripture and the answer is "the short answer is, it does not matter" Are you serious sir? A name after a man? so you can call yourself anything?? i.e. church of satan? Satan church? Church of the heathens? sinners church? why is it that it does not matter, how can you say something like that?
"kenbvi" you sound like one of the Corinthians that Paul was complaining about (1 Corinthians 1:12-17, finishing with "Not to baptize, but to preach the gospel."). You're concerned with "Names" like the Corinthians were & Paul rebuked them. You should be concerned with Jesus & trusting only in Him & not in your "obediences" (ie "works", Ephesians 2: 8-10) or that your church name should be called the "Church of Jesus." 2 Timothy 2:10 says "elect's sakes" thus Romans chapter 9 is in effect.
"EriCLopEzSavEllanO" you FORGOT ONE: EPHESIANS 2: 8-9, "FOR BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED THROUGH FAITH; AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES: IT IS A GIFT OF GOD: NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST." And why is it by GRACE & not of WORKS? BECAUSE: ROMANS 9: 11-13 says, "FOR THE CHILDREN BEING NOT YET BORN, NEITHER HAVING DONE ANY GOOD OR EVIL, THAT THE PURPOSE OF GOD ACCORDING TO ELECTION MIGHT STAND, NOT OF WORKS, BUT OF HIM THAT CALLETH...AS IT IS WRITTEN, JACOB I HAVE LOVED, BUT ESAU HAVE I HATED."
Eph 2:8-9 - talks about "Grace" that is a free gift from God which is not gained thru works by man so that no one could boast & be contented by not believing.
while believing faith inorder to be saved must be shown thru obedience in the commandments of God, because even demons believe it. James 2:17 tells us to show our faith by what we do and is justified in spirit.
And that's the difference bet. the two scriptures.
You're wrong again "EriCLopEzSavEllanO" because you are depending on your "obedience" (translate "works") to be saved despite what Ephesians 2:8-10 says. Your problem is you do not understand what GRACE really is Biblically. GRACE means you cannot do anything to EARN or KEEP your salvation & why is this? It is because God chooses (Ephesians 1: 1-11) SOME to salvation BEFORE they do any OBEDIENCE in this life at all (Romans 9:11-13). The ones not chosen vainly try to WORK OBEDIENTLY for it.
@dennreed23 Do you know how many times I have heard what you just said from Campbellites, Mormons, Roman Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. in my lifetime?! I'd be rich if someone would just give me a dollar for each time. If you want a detailed answer just go to YAHOO VIDEO or GOOGLE VIDEO (search LARRY WESSELS on their homepages) & look for either our 22 hour debate with the Church of Christ (Ross vs Jackson) or the 13 hour debate (Ross vs Brown). The short answer is it does not matter!
Just before Jesus was baptized,he said "It becomes us to fulfill all righteousness "and that's good enough for me. In Matthew 21:25,he asked this question,"The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? " and they wouldn't answer him,their reasoning made obvious. The subject being baptism,from then on,he spoke to them in parables about it,up to Matthew 22:12,where it is described as the wedding garment and the one without it was cast out from the wedding. Can it be explained any better ?
As usual hotlic you Campbellites completely miss the point because you're so blinded by your "water baptism" god that you think it is going to save you IF you do enough GOOD WORKS to go with it to possibly get you into heaven (Romans 9:11-18). Your Campbellite "Restored Gospel" is as phony as a 3 Dollar Bill. The Bible says we are to be baptized BUT not to OBTAIN SALVATION by it (1 Corinthians 1:14-18). See our Youtube debate on "Limited Atonement" where we deal with Matt 22 & Jesus' parables.
Joe Smith claimed a restoration and called his church the "Church of Christ", Like the BofM says in Nephi xii:3. But Joe broke his own rule and changed it 2x into CofJCofLDS. Is there a direct link to the 2 Church of Christ's?
Good analytical question IExposeMormonism! Yes there's a link between Mormonism & Campbellism (aka Church of Christ, 'Restoration Movement," etc.). The link is a man named Sidney Rigdon who, during the 1820s was Alexander Campbell's associate in Alex's superstitious doctrine of water baptism "in order to the remission of past sins" & "the millennial reign of Christ." Rigdon later left Campbell & joined Joseph Smith in Mormonism. Check out "Rise of the Cults" by Larry Wessels on the internet.
I know Sid was with Campbell. But is it the same church or just a church with the name "CofC",as per Nephi xii. I also wonder if there is a connection to the Free Love Society. I am pretty sure his dad was part of "The Wood Scrape Incident" and Universalist Church
"IExposeMormonism" I haven't seen anything on the Free Love Society. I looked up your reference to the Book of Mormon for either 1 Nephi or 2 Nephi chapter 12 verse 3 but failed to see your connection on this point in either verse, you sure you have the right verse? Anyway, Smith initially named his Mormon cult the "Church of Christ" & did claim to "Restore" the church just like Campbell & his "Restorers" did. This in large part was due to Rigdon's influence who picked it up from Campbell.
I never looked it up. I'm quoting David Whitmer, 1887, "An address to All Believers in Christ". P. 73. "When Christ to them on the 3rd day of his mission (they asked), what will we call this church...? ye shall call the church in my name" Nephi xii:3. I never look at the BofM unless needed. I did just take a look and can't find it. But Whitmer is a Witness of the BofM, so he can't be wrong! I'll see what I can find. It's in there somewhere.
Salvation is by GRACE ALONE through FAITH ALONE. This is an attempt to squeeze works righteousness into the equation. Anyone who deviates from this historical pauline doctrine, which is also the foundation of CHRIST alone and the Reformation, needs to go back to SCRIPTURE alone. This Campbell fellow is wrong.
"bandaidmafia" the point of this video is to show what Campbellites believe about water baptism. Campbellites believe that without water baptism you must go straight to hell forever. Campbellites make a "saviour" out of water baptism via misquoted verses such as Acts 2:38 because they believe Alexander Campbell restored the true "Church of Christ" & his way to interpret the Bible is the only way. Alexander Campbell says no baptism, no salvation. See BibleQuery org for more on water baptism.
My dear bandaidmafia it seems you have now gotten the point of the video namely that water baptism is NOT necessary for salvation at all, good for you! I'm surprised that you needed my comment to understand since obviously the material in the video was over your head. And now, since you mention church history, please go to our website HistoryCart com which is devoted to nothing but early church teachings. Our many debates with Campbellites & their water baptism "saviour" now makes sense, eh?
bandaidmafia you should have looked over our website a little closer, try the Didache (c. 125 AD) which discusses it in chapter 7 page 379. Also see Eusebuis' Ecclesiastical History (323-326 AD), book 6, ch. 5, p. 253 concerning the Christian lady Potamiaena & the soldier Basilides. Your baptismal regenerational theory does not work in cases such as this much like the "thief on the cross" who went to paradise unbaptized. Campbellites demand immersion for salvation but this "gospel" is bogus.
"bandaidmafia" you are simply evading the issue at hand, namely, that Basilides was not baptized or was the thief on the cross. The seal of the Lord is being born again & indwelt by the Holy Spirit not water baptism (2 Corinthians 1:22). Water baptism & the heresy of baptismal regeneration has nothing to do with the saving Gospel as Paul declared, "I thank God that I baptized none of you" (1 Corinthians 1:14). A person (the thief) can be "born again" without water baptism or its necessity.
bandaidmafia your false interpretation of "seal of the Lord" was already refuted by 2 Corinthians 1:22 & the THIEF ON THE CROSS which you conveniently ignore through this whole discussion. The thief was NOT baptized YET he was saved WITHOUT baptism! Paul refutes you again with 1 Corinthians 1:17, "Christ sent me NOT TO BAPTIZE, but to preach the gospel..." Baptism is not part of the Gospel, get it? Your god is baptism not Christ & faith alone in Him. You need SPIRITUAL rebirth not water.
bandaidmafia you've lied to your readers on all counts because you're blinded by your dependence on water baptism as your god. I'm dealing with your "god" which is water baptism & that is what you have put your faith in for salvation, not Christ. Your "water" god will not save you! Flee from this idolatry! The thief died AFTER Christ so it was the NEW Covenat not the OLD. Baptism is NOT the Gospel. Romans 6:3 is not saying baptism is necessary for salvation. Go to BibleQuery org for more.
Watched some of the video. There are a lot of false things said in them. From what I saw (I only watched maybe 2 of them) was 2 guys sitting there bashing the church of Christ. Not my idea of a debate. Maybe I need 2 watch the rest, but the false doctrine that these guys were talking about pretty much mad me sick!!!
kac0404 I'm sorry you were made sick when confronted by the truth but that's what usually happens to heretics who don't like what the Bible teaches (you ought to check out our debate with the Moonies on Youtube, they are just like you). The Moonies believe Rev Sung Myung Moon is the Second Coming of the Messiah (go to our CANSWERSTV channel page & watch the 10 part "Debate with the Moonies"). Although you don't believe in Rev Moon you do believe in Alexander Campbell, the "Restorer" & leader.
I wonder if you all would debate Jack Evans out in Texas. He would really show you all some things, and a debate is not 1-sided, so next time wait until the other side is there before you put this stuff up.
sdsingle1 you have not checked out our full length videos posted on YAHOO VIDEO (search LARRY WESSELS once on their homepage) with the many hours of debate footage we have with Campbellite preachers. Check out the 22 hour debate series between Bob L. Ross, author of "Campbellism, Its History & Heresies" & Campbellite preacher Bill Jackson. Also see the 13 hour debate between Bob Ross & another Campbellite preacher David Brown on the work of the Holy Spirit. We have others still to be posted.
I can except being confronted by the truth, however, I'm being confronted by a lies and that's what makes me sick. I believe what Alexander Campbell did was right in getting back 2 the scriptures as they did when it was one church (body). U can say what u want but there is only one (church) that will save u and it is the only church u find in the bible (Rom. 16:16).
So far kac0404 you haven't named a single lie that we've stated, you just claim we're lying without giving any evidence. You have, however, in what you've said been able to insert your foot into your mouth theologically speaking. First of all, you agreed with us about how you like Alexander Campbell instead of Rev Moon. Next, you are saying that your "Church of Christ" organization is your savior rather than the Lord Jesus Christ (very similar to the Jehovah's Witnesses). That IS sickening!
U will only find one church in the (New Testament) and that is the church of Christ. Furthermore, we are not Campbellites. We are members (baptized believers of the church of Christ.
Churches of Christ are a pro-homosexual cult and they take their name from the very scripture they knowingly pervert to their own destruction.
Rom 16:16 Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.
MrRoycelong 1 month ago
The Church Of Christ is a movement, but not by man's will. but by God's Will, because its in the Holy Bible along with the Form(pattern) Of teaching that was left by Christ-Romans, 6:17. Chruc Of Christ-Minister Dennis Melton
ey372 6 months ago
@ey372 Do you realize we have 172 comments on this video? Obviously you haven't read them or our replies. You're only proving to everyone reading this that you're a true Campbellite since you're simply saying what all the other Campbellites (like a broken record) say. The problem you have is the same problem that all the other Campbellites have, namely, you haven't been indwelt by the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19-20, 1 Cor 3:16, Romans 8:8-17, etc) & thus you can't understand (1 Cor 2:14).
CAnswersTV 6 months ago
HAAAVE MERCY I DON'T NO MORE KNOW WHAT THESE MEN ARE TALKING BOUT THAN THE MAN ON THA MOON. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S FOR THE CHURCH OF CHRIST AND WHO'S AGAINST THEM.
Yeppr 7 months ago
@Yeppr Let's see if we can help your understanding but it may be impossible in your case since it would require basic intelligence. There may be hope since even public schools have special education departments for their mentally deficient students so we'll try to make this so simple a moron would get it. The "Church of Christ" guys in this video say only "Church of Christ" members who are water baptized are saved & everyone else is going to hell, get it? The guys that don't agree aren't "CoC."
CAnswersTV 7 months ago
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ydnar0591 8 months ago
@sorens70601 You can be a "missionary" & claim to "know" the Bible all your life but at the same time never come to a knowledge of the truth (2 Tim 3:7). The apostle Paul ran into people like you all of the time. People have been Jehovah's Witnesses all of their lives (see our Youtube series "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES: DECEIVED DECEIVERS") & they claim like you do, "conditional security" for your salvation. In other words you say to "keep on doing enough good works" to be saved. Wrong, Eph 2:8-10!
CAnswersTV 8 months ago
@bullawaya You can study the Bible all your life & never come to a knowledge of the truth (2 Timothy 3:7), that's why you need God to save you by His Holy Spirit (Acts 10:44-48) as Cornelius & his household were. They did not "save" themselves, but God did it by His sovereign GRACE (not by any water baptism that Cornelius performed either). They were BORN AGAIN by a supernatural act of God BEFORE they were baptized. God sent the angel to both Cornelius & Peter, get it? God ORDAINED everything.
CAnswersTV 11 months ago
@bullawaya There's where you're wrong my friend. You lamely CLAIM that the word "foreknow" means "to know beforehand, nothing else" which ignores the base Greek word "proginosko" found not only in Rom 8:29 but also Acts 26:5, 1 Peter 1:20, 2 Peter 3:17 but has as its derivative Greek word "ginosko" meaning to "know experientially, to know intuitively, to have a relationship with" (as mentioned before in Matthew 7:23, Amos 3:2, etc), get it? Thus "foreknew" implies a relationship like marriage.
CAnswersTV 11 months ago
@bullawaya Thanks for finally answering my question about Dave Hunt since several days ago I saw on your Youtube channel that you subscribed to him. If you "don't listen or study dave hunt" then why do you show that you subscribe to him on your Youtube channel?? Next, it's obvious why you would like Dan Corner since he is a Pelagian heretic who argues for "conditional salvation" (we have a 2 hour radio debate he did against us). This explains why you refuse to believe Romans 9:11-13 & ELECTION!
CAnswersTV 11 months ago
@bullawaya I noticed you didn't get the point I was making about "foreknowledge" in my previous comment since you missed the clear implications of Genesis 4:1, 17, 25 (Adam "knew" Eve, Cain "knew" his wife),
Amos 3:2 ("You only have I "known" of all the families of the earth") or even Matthew 7:23 ("And then I will profess unto them, I never 'knew' you"). You probably didn't bother to look up the Bible references. Do you see how "knew" & "foreknew" means a relationship in a very intimate way?
CAnswersTV 11 months ago
@bullawaya I like your attitude towards studying the Bible which is the way it should be. You still haven't told me if you like to study a lot of Dave Hunt's materials because I noticed you didn't add him to your list here. Do you like Dave Hunt? Anyway, I spent some time with you here on Youtube but my time is limited (I just happened to be on vacation this week) & I won't be able to continue doing this. Please keep your comments down to 1 or 2 at most (I have others to deal with). John 14:6
CAnswersTV 11 months ago
@bullawaya Based on what you're saying here it looks like you believe you have to keep doing ENOUGH good works in your life IN ORDER TO STAY SAVED, is that right? The thing that separates Christianity from all of the other religions & cults (these others are just Satanically inspired religions anyway) is that in Christianity you are SAVED BY GRACE, NOT OF WORKS (Ephesians 2:8-10) while in the rest of the religions you're saved by doing whatever "works" are required. GRACE is UNMERITED FAVOR.
CAnswersTV 11 months ago
@bullawaya Once again you misunderstand the actual Calvinistic position. Your problem is you don't REALLY know what REAL Calvinism is & you thus spend all your time attacking a fake image of Calvinism (in logic called a "strawman"). Here you CLAIM that Calvinists believe "neither is by any will or action or anything from man's part" but this is not correct. Once again, see the video, "Dave Hunt of the Berean Call, Calvinism, & the Baptist Confessions" on VIMEO VIDEO for clarification on this.
CAnswersTV 11 months ago
@bullawaya Romans 8:29, "Foreknew" (Greek - "proegno," second aorist active indicative of "proginosko," an old verb as in Acts 26:5. See also Psalm 1:6 & Matthew 7:23. This "fore-knowledge & CHOICE is placed in ETERNITY in Ephesians 1:4 meaning God "foreordained" (Greek - "proorisen"). This first aorist active indicative of "proorizo" means to "APPOINT BEFOREHAND" as in Acts 4:28 & 1 Corinthians 2:7. Next, check out "knew" in a KJV in Genesis 4:1, 17, 25 & also "known" in Amos 3:2. God "knows."
CAnswersTV 11 months ago
@bullawaya Here you are making the classical logical fallacy of EQUIVOCATION with your constant use of "OSAS" (meaning "Once Saved Always Saved") which is not what classical Calvinism teaches (what Arminian sources have you been reading to get these strange ideas?). In the the classic TULIP understanding, the "P" does not mean "OSAS" but "Perseverance of the Saints" (there's a big difference here). Romans 8:27 ff shows that "perseverance" is only for those predestinated, justified, & glorified.
CAnswersTV 11 months ago
@bullawaya We have a 3 hour video series on Youtube entitled, "Cultic-Hyper Calvinistic Doctrines of the Primitive Baptist Church" which explains the great differences between what would be called "normal" Calvinism & "hyper-Calvinism." The series features a special guest, Steve M. Garrett, who himself was a Primitive Baptist minister before he finally left the movement. A mistake many people make (I'm not saying you are here) is confusing hyper-Calvinism with the normal Calvinistic theology.
CAnswersTV 11 months ago
@bullawaya Thanks for trying to explain "Calvinism" but you're understanding is obscure since all you say is :T - total depravity being the most biblical" then you go off into your own theology world of talking about "free will" without giving any Scriptural proof for anything. Get out a good Concordance (like Strong's) & look up the word "freewill" in the Bible. Do these verses relate to what you're talking about? Next I noticed you didn't answer Romans 9:11-13. Why does God HATE beforehand?
CAnswersTV 11 months ago
@bullawaya How do you define "Calvinism" if that's all you're saying? What does it mean to you since it can mean a lot of different things to different people? I'm not talking about Calvinism, I'm talking about Romans 9:11-13 for instance, "For the children being not yet born, neither HAVING DONE ANY GOOD OR EVIL, that the PURPOSE of God according to ELECTION might stand, NOT OF WORKS, but of Him that CALLETH ... Jacob have I LOVED, but Esau have I HATED." God hates people BEFORE they do WORKS.
CAnswersTV 11 months ago
@bullawaya Oh, since you claim to know so much why don't you help out the readers of these comments & please tell us what "all of the Bible" you're referring to in reference to Romans chapter 9 (particularly Romans 9:11-18). To help you along with your "answer" try watching the 4 hour debate "Did Jesus Die for Everybody Who Ever Lived? (between Larry Wessels & Steve McCalip) which here on the CANSWERSTV Youtube account is broken into 24 ten minute segments (start with the Romans 9:11 one first).
CAnswersTV 11 months ago
Baptism is like a formula. You can not leave out an ingredient of something that make it either work right or taste good. In tne book of Acts which is the act of something we find many who followed instructions of salvation. I know that baptism shows your faith in commenting to walk with Christ and it leads to follow His Word. But we can not say that baptism isn't nessesary because it is. We must follow the Apostles teaching John 17:20.
052260 1 year ago
@052260 Are you saying that "baptism" is a FORMULA TO GET SAVED?! You're saying that in order to get saved you must MIX THE INGREDIENTS OF BAPTISM & GOOD WORKS?! So you believe that you can GET YOURSELF SAVED BY YOU'RE OWN GOOD BAPTISM & WORKS?! Man, you'd make a good Romanist! You need to join Rome today so you can get blessed by the Pope. You mean Ephesians 2:8-10 doesn't apply afterall? What about an astronaunt in space who wants to become a Christian? Are you saying he can't without baptism?
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@CAnswersTV And yes that astronaunt must be baptized just as the bible says to be saved. We must do it exactly the way the Lord has prescribed. There is a reason why the scriptures were written the way they were. We have to eat the WHOLE ROLL. Amd my brother I would NEVER call you out of your name. That shows character. Please don't be affended. Pray for me and I for you.
052260 1 year ago
@052260 Your "works" of keeping the "whole roll" will get you saved?! The astronaunt is "lost in space" because there is not enough water for him to get properly water baptized in the spaceship?! How come the thief on the cross was SAVED & went to paradise WITHOUT GETTING WATER BAPTIZED? The thief had no chance to get water baptized yet he was saved just as Cornelius & his household were filled with the Spirit & SAVED by God (Acts 10) BEFORE they were water baptized. Baptism is AFTER salvation.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
You can twist that verse all you want, BUT the fact remains people of that time understood it properly and were being water immersed for forgiveness of Sins, not because of. History tells us they were being immersed, So you can twist scripture but these folks were obeying the apostles in this act of baptism and the scripture are clear why they were doing so.
MrJohnnymiller54 1 year ago
@MrJohnnymiller54 The only one "twisting" the Scripture is you. You have never been supernaturally "born again" (John 3:3-8, Titus 3:5-7, 1 Corinthians 6:19-20, Romans 8:8-17, etc) by the power of the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17) because you "think" your water baptism is your SAVIOUR. IF you HAD REALLY been supernaturally INDWELT by the Holy Spirit at your conversion to Christ you would NEVER BELIEVE that water baptism is what saves you! The thief on the cross & Cornelius in Acts 10 refute you.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
What does 1 Peter 3:21 says ?
052260 1 year ago
@052260 Baptism is the "putting away" (cf Hebrews 10:22) BUT what ACTUALLY saves is "the answer of a good conscience toward God" NOT baptism. In context, "baptism" is used metaphorically to symbolize a conscience clear before God (achieved by the washing of the conscience by the blood of Christ (Heb 10:22, Titus 3:5, Rev 1:5, 1 John 1:7) & is acquired ENTIRELY by FAITH (Romans 3:28, Ephesians 2:8-10) BEFORE baptism in water is practiced as a sign of that good conscience (Romans 4:8-11), get it?
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@CAnswersTV Wow talk about stepping around the issue. God made the Bible easy to understand. You sir twist doctrine and are leading people to hell. God is no author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33). Are you saying God didn't make His Word easy to understand?
J283T 1 year ago
@J283T Wow, don't you know what the Bible says, "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned & unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." (2 Peter 3:16). See 1 Cor 11:18-19 too. Remember, Jesus did not pray for everybody (John 17:9) & he spoke in parables so people would not understand & thus be saved (Mark 4:10-12); God only saves His elect (Romans 9:11-23).
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@CAnswersTV And how do you become one of His elect? Are you saying that certain people have no chance? What did Paul, who Peter was talking about in his epistles, say on Mar's hill that God wishes everyone to do? Yes there are certain portions that take serious study and the Bible is so full of detail no one could simply learn it all, but how is talking about Epistles, which are targeted at Christians (the saved), have to do with those becoming believers? What did Paul say about milk & solid?
J283T 1 year ago
@J283T Let's see, tell me, did Esau have a "chance" to get saved (Romans 9:11-16)? If God HATES you BEFORE you are even born & have not done anything good or bad how is it you have a "chance"? Did Pharoah have a "chance" to get saved or did God create Him to "shew" His "power in" him (Romans 9:17-18)? Did Judas have a "chance" or was he a "devil" from the beginning (John 6:70)? Can "devils" & Satan be saved or are they destined for hell (Matt 25:41, 2 Peter 2:4)? What are "vessels of wrath" ?
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
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this is my hotmail account page messages between us
Muslims vs Johnny, Campbellites vs Bob
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Hide details Pilgrimpub@aol.com Add to contactsIn a message dated 11/17/2010 3:52:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, biblesays81@hotmail.com writes:
we have gone back and forth 41 times not to mention on other subjects not covered here
BibleSaysTV 1 year ago
since I heard from you all here, he has ask me to fly him here, pay his food, his hotel, his rental car, and a weeks salary, on top of the $2000 in air time for a debate! He must hink he is something. He is a primitive baptist on top of that. He does not even believe we have to hear his message to be saved... elected you know>>> so why all the money wasted?
BibleSaysTV 1 year ago
@BibleSaysTV JBoy exposes his ignorance: (1) I am not a "primitive Baptist". (2) I did not ask for $2000. (3) I DO believe one has to hear the message to be saved. (3) I have not rec'd "40 messages." JBoy is beside himself. He can create more Campbellite dust than an Okie tornado! If JBoy wants publicity by my debating him, he should be willing to at least pay all my expenses, don't you think? Don't forget Mr BLOWHARD, you STARTED this, you MUST COME TO AUSTIN FIRST, remember? -- Bob L. Ross
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@Paul1T2Day you got all that info from my last post? Wow you have great psycho... ability. I may have gotten in over my head with you "Swami"
BibleSaysTV 1 year ago
@Paul1T2Day This brother (who was himself a former "Church of Christ" member) testifies that the Campbellite named Johnny Robertson is not a credible source for reliable info about the Biblical Gospel or church history. Nor are honorable ethics in following the rules of debate used by "JohnnyBoy" as stated by this witness. Simply observing what "JohnnyBoy" has said thus far in our comments section further illustrates the point. "JohnnyBoy" brags on himself & dodges Austin debate conditions.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
Also, Johnny would have to pay for all the tv air time for the debate. I guess Mr. Ross could care less if souls got saved just as long as he gets paid.
Btw, I forgot to mention that Mr. Ross seems quite childish as he seems to like to call names ("Johnnyboy").
At any rate, I for one would love to see this debate. If I could afford it I would pay Mr. Ross' salary for him, but since I have about $200.00 to my name and I live off of unemployment and food stamps, that unfortunantly won't happen.
JSBrown303 1 year ago
@JSBrown303 I suppose Mr. Brown thinks it was a wonderful deal for JohnBoy to originally ask me to pay my own expenses (travel, food, lodging,etc.) & forfeit a week's salary, just to please JohnBoy to debate in his favorite comfort zone, what he call's "Live TV." I wonder how Mr. B would like it if I invited Mr. B to pay his way to Austin and forfeit a week's pay, but then again Mr B is a poor vagrant who lives off other people's money via food stamps & unemployment (2 Thess 3:10-11). - Ross
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@CAnswersTV I would gladly work if I could get ANYBODY to hire me. But, for reasons I cannot fathom no one will. I am a good, loyal, hard worker, who is very rarly late or takes off, and is clean shaven, well dressed, with no tattoos or piercings. I have at least a H.S. diploma and a Universal Technicians Certification in HVAC. Yet NO ONE will hire me.
But they will hire these punks who have no education, are not clean shaven, well dressed, have numerous tats and piercings, & are always late.
JSBrown303 1 year ago
@JSBrown303 Work with your hands like Paul did (Acts 18:3, 1 Thessalonians 4:11, 2 Thessalonians 3:10-11). MacDonald's is always hiring.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@CAnswersTV McDonald's? Been there done that 15 years ago (long before I obeyed the Gospel). Must have done something to tick them off cause now I can't even get an interview there. I actually don't even know the official reason I stopped working there. I went on vacation once (even asked for time off), came back and got no hours for a couple of weeks, and when I asked why they said they didn't know I still worked there. I never went back.
JSBrown303 1 year ago
@CAnswersTV Anyways, like I said before I would pay your way if I could. You ask how I would like it if you invited me to pay my way and such? Well, isn't that what you're asking Johnny to do? And, like Johnny I would gladly do it for the opportunity to preach the Gospel. Also, we brethren in the c of C take care of each other as we would help each other to pay those expenses. We would even welcome each other into our homes so that we wouldn't need a motel.Can you say the same for your brethren?
JSBrown303 1 year ago
@JSBrown303 You say that like Johnny you'd pay your way to preach the Gospel. But that isn't what JohnBoy said. He wanted me to pay my way and forfeit a week's salary to come to his place for debate. We invited JohnBoy to come to Austin but he doesn't want to preach his "gospel" out here. He has a local following, whereas in Austin he'd reach multitudes. Is money his problem, too, like you? Maybe those who follow him could take up an offering so JohnBoy could come to Texas on a "mission."-Ross
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@CAnswersTV So basically you're saying that you would only preach and try to save souls if you got paid? Personally, I would preach for free. Just knowing that I helped someone reach heaven would be worth more to me than all the money in the world.
As for multitudes, is your program streamed live on the internet like Johnny's programs? Personally, I hadn't even heard of you until you and Johnny started communicating in this thread. Btw, I live in Tennessee, nowhere near Johnny.
JSBrown303 1 year ago
@JSBrown303 You misunderstand, Mr. B. I'm preaching all the time with opportunity, but your hero JohnBoy wanted me to stop & come to him to debate, pay my own expenses, give up a week's salary. As for JohnBoy's TV program, we've a greater audience than he has. Just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean the whole world is watching! Most of his viewers are probably local Campbellites. I never heard of either JohnBoy or you until JohnBoy contacted me. He knew about me, but I never heard of him
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@CAnswersTV Actually, I'm quite glad to hear that you've preached without being paid, and I respect that. It just seemed from your responces that you would only preach if you got paid. Of course, it's easy to assume things incorrectly in this type of forum. As for what your giving up, aren't you in essence asking Johnny to give up the same? The difference is that I'm sure Johnny would give up those things to preach without a second thought. Can you say the same? To be continued in next post.
JSBrown303 1 year ago
@JSBrown303 Mr, B, you ask, "As for what your giving up, aren't you in essence asking Johnny to give up the same?" I did not ask JohnBoy for a debate -- he proposed it. But he wanted me to come to his area, and at my expense. If he wants to debate so badly, then he is welcome to come down here in whatever way he chooses. Maybe he can hitchhike. He says he has brethren down this way, perhaps they can pay his way. He stated he would come to Austin FIRST but has now BACKED OUT & RUN AWAY.- Bob Ross
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@CAnswersTV I sure that Johnny does have brethren in many places (Tennessee, Michigan, N.C., Virginia, Texas, to name but a few) who would help him to pay his expenses. The question is, do you have brethren who will help you? If you do then why don't you ask them for help? I'm sure you have no problem asking for money at your worship services and tv program. Btw, if you're wondering why he's not willing to pay your expenses read 2 John 10-11.
JSBrown303 1 year ago
@JSBrown303 Mr. B asks,"do you have brethren who will help you?" You want me to ask brethren to take responsibility that belongs to JohnBoy? Phew!! Jboy initiated this, not us. We never heard of him, stuck off up there in ole Virginny, even blacklisted by some CC preachers. We've no obligation to Jboy. He's welcome to come to Austin, if he pleases, but it looks like JohnBoy has CUT & RUN & all that is left is you running your jaws about something he REFUSES to do.Try Burger King. -- Bob Ross
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@CAnswersTV As a preacher yourself you should know how busy Johnny must be with writing lesson for all his sermons, Bible classes, tv programs, etc. Though I'm not a preacher, I have written a few lessons for devotional talks and Bible classes so I know how time consuming it can be. My point is, I'm sure Johnny hasn't cut and run. The reason he hasn't made much contact (here at least) is that he's just extremely busy. I'm sure he'll get back in contact soon.
JSBrown303 1 year ago
@JSBrown303 Brown says, "you should know how busy Johnny must be." I have no idea. I never heard of him till lately. He was not too busy to contact me, though I've never heard of him. If he comes to Austin, JBoy will become better known. He needs more publicity, and we can provide it down here. He is simply too much of a BLOWHARD to honestly want to keep his word & debate here in Austin FIRST. He is INSINCERE at best & COMPLETELY CHICKEN at worst thus making him a waste of time. -- Bob Ross
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@CAnswersTV now we see self important Ross is. If he has not heard of you then you are not published. Maybe Bobby , it is because I am not a glory hound like you, spend 20 minutes in Brown debate telling all your accomplishments. I spent 7 years of the 20 I have been preaching in the Marshall Islands doing work in the countries in association with them. Then on to Virginia to try help the Lord's church fallen into christian church disciples hands. I don't try to get on lectures ect. just work
BibleSaysTV 1 year ago
@BibleSaysTV JohnBoy says he spent 7 years in the Marshall Islands preaching CC error, and I suppose he wants a "blue ribbon" for that? He has spent 20 years preaching false CC doctrine, and he wants to toot his horn about that? He should be ashamed! Come on down to Austin and tell us all about how you spread the "Water Gospel" for 20 years! -- Bob L. Ross
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@CAnswersTV mr ross might look at youtube... robertson vs AC SMITH baptist lies.
anyone can see how ignorant you are from the mail you sent me. you showed all these translations that do not contain "in order to" in Act 2:38 but you don't have the sense to see if that makes your case against it, what does it do to your case for "because of" in the same verse where it does not appear in all the translations? I would love to get you on REAL TV not some cable access show
BibleSaysTV 1 year ago
@BibleSaysTV JohnBoy says, "you showed all these translations that do not contain 'in order to' in Act 2:38." Yes, and this proves that CC preachers are wrong when they say "We speak where the Bible speaks." I challenge you again to show where I (Bob L. Ross) have said it means "because of" in Acts 2:38. You have not even attempted it. As far as Cable TV goes, the outreach here in Austin right now is over 200,000 households while your "REAL TV" would be lucky to get a few hundred viewings.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
Ross wrote in email; Come on down to Austin, JohnBoy, and bring the money with you for my trip to Virginny -- my air fare, rental car, lodging, meals, etc. I will know you mean business when you show up in Austin. Floyd Chappelear paid for me to come to Annandale, Va. to debate him. I didn't have a Moderator, so A. C. Grider (Campbellite) agreed to be my moderator! He called the only "point of order" in my favor! He later wanted me to come to his town for a month's debate!!! ....more later
BibleSaysTV 1 year ago
@BibleSaysTV JohnBoy, all this palabber you write adds up to BLOWHARD. Modern CofC wants nothing to do with A. Campbell.The only hope Campbell has for Heaven is based on what Baptists preach - salvation by grace thru faith. Campbell said he was saved before baptism, and never had "baptism in order to obtain" remission of sins. He didn't even believe it till years later. But he never got rebaptized, and the only baptism he ever had was by a Baptist preacher. Come down to Austin to debate. -Ross
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
oh brother! I was the feature on the local news 3 days in a row this week. I doubt you have ever been noticed by anyone but KJV only Primitive Baptist and the few brethren you have debated from the Lord's church. Everyone who is reading this sees you are a merchandiser... from 2Pet 2:3. Pay your salary, please. You are a hireling at best. Do some research and see if i have the creds to put you on the map. We see u are just like the website answering the church of Christ (all blow no show)
BibleSaysTV 1 year ago
@BibleSaysTV JohnBoy, I took your advice and Googled you. I could not find a reference to your debates. Have you had any public debates? My debates are listed in the Encyclopedia of Religious Debates by a Church of Christ minister, Mr. Thomas Thrasher. I did not see you on the list. Quit "acting" like you didn't offer to come to Austin FIRST to debate so based on that condition I would then come to Greensboro to debate you at your expense. You are showing a decided lack of integrity.- Bob Ross
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
Bob, i have watched this video and i can firmly and proudly say that there is no way you would win a debate with Johnny....No "preacher" in NC or VA can win or has win...myself included....he literally has an answer for everything...which is a great thing.....Johnny has more biblical knowledge than all the preachers in this area put togather...he is a wounderful mentor!!!
bwilliams531 1 year ago
@bwilliams531 Hello, JohnBoy -I responded to newspaper advertising which attacked the truth by the whole Dallas-Fort Worth area of Campbellite sponsoring churches a few years ago & accepted their broad challenge for a debate. They all backed out, even though Baptists in Dallas were going to foot the bill for my expenses. I'll send you the first two articles pertaining to this matter. Other articles will be sent upon request. Reader requests can made by personal message to CANSWERSTV inbox.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@bwilliams531 Of course, since JohnBoy does not seem interested in coming to Austin for a debate, it would be rather difficult to "win a debate" with him, wouldn't it? He can thus remain "undefeated" by staying close to his home playing field (1 Kings 20:11). -- Bob Ross
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
I don't understand. Johnny is offering to debate you on his dime, Bob, and you turn it down? Why? What is the reason? There must be some way to deal with your limitations.
ThusSayethTheLord 1 year ago
@ThusSayethTheLord JohnnyBoy is "chickening out" of this debate which states that he is to come to Austin, Texas FIRST, get it? JohnnyBoy said, " if I come to Austin are you going to agree to come to Greensboro NC. We will be playing the 1st debate from Austin live WGSR, and in Muskeegan MI simulcast" (viewers can read this in his previous comments unless he decides to hide the evidence by deleting his own comment - look for "comment removed" if he does). Ross agreed but JB has turned tail.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@ThusSayethTheLord On the contrary, JohnBoy has scoffed at the idea of paying my expenses, including a week's salary since I would have to take off from work. His "dime"? What "dime"? No "dime" from JohnBoy has arrived at my mail box. -- Bob Ross
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
Every Baptist in this are knows me and they want someone to answer. They have tried suing me, threats, and we take in it stride. They all have gotten together in the two state area and agreed to post no trespass signs to keep people from videoing preachers sermons and giving them to me to air the child like arguments on TV. I have a email from O'Donnell saying "Robertson can't be answered..." and you are no Bret O'Donnell I don't care what you write about yourself
BibleSaysTV 1 year ago
@BibleSaysTV JohnBoy says, "At end of the day here is what will be seen." What has been seen from the beginning of the day to the end of it is that you're the Blowhard you appeared to be all along. The only way you can live down being a Blowhard is come to Austin for the debate for which you let-on like you want. The "feather" you have in your hat about Liberty U. is a Buzzard feather. We will put you on TV in the capitol of Texas, and you will have an Eagle's feather to crow about -- Bob Ross
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@BibleSaysTV JohnBoy says, "why not pay once and bring you here." Better still, JohnBoy, you can come to Austin and that way you'll only "pay once." You'll save the expenses involved in my coming to your place - like my weekly salary (since I will have to take off from work), my travel expense, meals, lodging, etc. You can take the video we make in Austin and play it wherever you choose. We'll play it on cable TV in Austin, which we have been doing for 25 years. Come here FIRST.-- Bob L. Ross.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
At end of the day here is what will be seen. You want me to foot the bill and talk in a room with two of us and you get to decide if you air it or not. I on the other hand have the biggest Baptist anywhere on tape say yes to debate and backing out, before I ever heard of you. (Caner Towns O'Donnell all Liberty guys). I am now prepared to pay your expense, and the expense of LIVE broadcast and you won't do it. You are a coward and cheap to boot! thanks for your time
BibleSaysTV 1 year ago
@BibleSaysTV JohnBoy, you refer to "the cowards at Liberty U"-but I remind you, you're not dealing with anyone at Liberty U. You're dealing with Bob Ross, who has about 50 years of debating Campbellites, including some they regard as "great debaters." I debated Buster Dobbs before 800 in Baytown, debated Garland Elkins before about 1000 in Parkersburg, debated Jackson before hundreds in Austin, etc. Who have you debated in 4-night debates? You look like "small fry" to me, not in the same league.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
thanks for posting that ....notice what the first post says, ( You said, " if I come to Austin are you going to agree to come to Greensboro NC)....as we mailed back and forth you BIG DOGS want all expenses paid and I have to travel to you and you offer nothing but YOUR STUDIO. So i decide why pay twice. If I am going to have to pay to have the debate, why not pay once and bring you here. You can play the debate on your cable. What is the difference to you? I pay only once if you come here
BibleSaysTV 1 year ago
@BibleSaysTV If you don't like the conditions, Johnboy, don't blame us. You're the one begging for a debate. I never issue challenges & I only accept challenges which are reasonable. Your idea about my coming to you is not only unreasonable, but it's utter nonsense. I've nothing to gain by plastering you in a debate, so why would I waste a dime on such a project? Don't worry about our Studio; just come on down and we will show you a good time.- Bob Ross. You're giving us EXCUSES for NOT coming!
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
Ok this reminds me of the cowards at Liberty U that all backed out. Elmer Towns Bret O'Donnell, Ergun Caner, and still waiting on Johnathan Falwell to get his courage up
BibleSaysTV 1 year ago
@BibleSaysTV You said, " if I come to Austin are you going to agree to come to Greensboro NC. We will be playing the 1st debate from Austin live WGSR, and in Muskeegan MI simulcast" (viewers can read this in his previous comments unless he decides to hide the evidence by deleting his own comment - look for "comment removed by author" if he does). Already this "Blowhard" Campbellite is trying to get out of coming to Austin first as a condition for the debate. He's already "backing out."
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
ok why dont we start in the greensboro area first. you type my name in google and see if I am a blow hard. Johnny Robertson.
BibleSaysTV 1 year ago
@BibleSaysTV We knew you were just a "blowhard.' The deal was for you to come here to our TV studio in Austin, Texas FIRST, get it? Since you are challenging, not us, you must conform to the set forth proposition, namely, you come to Austin, Texas FIRST. If you do that & pay for all of Bob Ross' travel expenses THEN he will go to Greensboro as you suggested. You're the one that wants this debate so "come on down" Mr. "Blowhard" & take on Bob here FIRST & you'll be a star on Austin cable TV!
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
your book that doesnt have campbellism doesn't have Baptist church either so you gonna give it up. When are you ready and what TV program?
BibleSaysTV 1 year ago
@BibleSaysTV I suppose your "silence" as to the alleged "two old books" means you're not going to give us the titles, Eh? You're "keeping silent where the books are silent," right? You'll find Baptist church in the same verse you find your own so-called Bible name. As for being "ready," I have been "ready" for Campbellites for years. I don't need very much for Campbellism! Come on down to Austin & Larry & I will make you a TV star in Texas just like we've done for other fortunate Campbellites.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
It is unbelievable that Ross can claim he is a scholar or whatever he says, and not know that "restoration" began well before 1800. Why does he not read from "Baptist" who date the move to restore Christianity much further than this? Dishonesty abounds! I have in my own possession two books, one 400 years old and the other 230 years old that show the utter falseness of these men. I will debate Ross on TV any time. Watch us on WGSR47.com @ 8:30 eastern live! Call in if you dare
BibleSaysTV 1 year ago
@BibleSaysTV "I have in my own possession two books, one 400 years old and the other 230 years old that show the utter falseness of these men." So says the Campbellite, but he fails to name the 2 old books or quote from them. I have an old book which dates back to the apostolic times and there is nothing in it which is supportive to Campbellism. It's called the Bible. -- Bob Ross. Come to Austin, Texas at your complete expense & time & Bob Ross will participate in a televised debate with you.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@CAnswersTV if I come to Austin are you going to agree to come to Greensboro NC. We will be playing the 1st debate from Austin live WGSR, and in Muskeegan MI simulcast
BibleSaysTV 1 year ago
@BibleSaysTV Sure, I'll come to Greensboro, at your expense. Send the expenses to me and I will meet you anywhere, anytime, on any subject you wish. I don't go to "warfare" at my own expense (1 Cor. 9:7). After you come to Austin (if you have the guts to do it), you may have a change of heart and want the expenses for Greensboro refunded! Your next move is to prove you're not anything more than a blowhard. Bring some help with you - three or four more Campbellite preachers, more fun that way!
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
If baptism is not essential then how do you explain 1 Peter 3:20-21? It seems pretty clear from that passage that baptism IS essential. Also, baptism is the ONLY way into Christ (Gal 3:26-27). How can one be saved without being in Christ? And, yes, it is the blood of Christ that washes away our sins (Rev 1:5), but at what point do we come into contact with His blood? The Bible says in Acts 22:16 that it is in baptism that we come into contact with Christ's blood.
JSBrown303 1 year ago
@JSBrown303 Your problem is simply a spiritual one. Every verse you have brought up have been refuted in our online debate videos (log on to GOOGLE VIDEO, once on their homepage type LARRY WESSELS in their search box & about 200 videos will come up; look for the 22 hour WEEKLONG "CHURCH OF CHRIST" DEBATE or the 13 hr debate "IS THE HOLY SPIRIT LIMITED TO JUST THE BIBLE ONLY?" on YAHOO VIDEO among others & on our website BIBLEQUERY ORG. God saves you NOT baptism (which is a god to Campbellites).
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@CAnswersTV ...why will Ross not debate us? Or any Baptist for that matter? We have the answers they can't deal with
BibleSaysTV 1 year ago
@BibleSaysTV I have often received challenges from unknown-to-me Campbellites to participate in debates but at the expense of my time and finances. I don't even know these "waterfowls" but they want me to waste my time and expense. I have suggested to them that if they are so anxious to debate they can come to my area and I will debate them in public if they can arrange it. But I get no takers. Are they cowards? I have no interest in traveling to debate any Campbellite at my expense. Bob Ross
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
i challenged Ross to debate on tv and he is too cowardly to come
BibleSaysTV 1 year ago
@BibleSaysTV Your claim is a cowardly one to say the least. Bob Ross has debated more leading Campbellites over the years than you can possibly imagine (go to GOOGLE VIDEO, once on their homepage type in CAMPBELLISM in their search box & watch Bob Ross' 22 hour debate series with Campbellite preacher Bill Jackson or go to YAHOO VIDEO, type CAMPBELLISM, & watch Bob's 13 hour debate with Campbellite preacher David Brown. There are many more not posted online yet. You have made baptism your god.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
In the first place, is this a DEBATE? In the second place, if Mr. Ross can take "eis" to mean "because of" in Acts 2: 38, then he can give it the same meaning in Matt 26: 28: it's the same Greek phrase and translated precisely the same in our standard versions. If he does so, I commend him for being consistent; if not, he stands convicted as a mistranslator of the SAME Greek language. If the phrases are not the same, then say so. Jesus gave his life BECAUSE our sins were already forgiven?
lllllannalllll 1 year ago
@lllllannalllll You apparently have no concept of predestination in regard to salvation. Have you ever read, for Ephesians 1: 4-11, "According as He hath chosen us in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD ... PREDESTINATED US ... in whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being PREDESTINATED according to the purpose of Him Who worketh all things after the counsel of His Own will." Romans 9 says God hates one & loves another before people are even born thus water baptism is not essential.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
sorry...ur wrong...repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and you shall recieve the Holy Ghost.......remission of sins...not "because of" repentence.......i will not believe what u say but rather ill believe what the bible says...which is against anything other than the doctrine of duet 6:4, acts 2:38, and john 3:5...there is ONE GOD AND HIS NAME IS JESUS!!!!......
j1b2k3r4 1 year ago
@j1b2k3r4 You sound like a 'oneness pentecostal" who had your origins in the "Azusa Street Revival of 1906" which by 1917 decided that the Trinity was false & you had to be saved by works such as "baptism in Jesus' name" only & speaking in "tongues." Jesus is God (John 1:1,14), second person of the Trinity (John 17:5 - Jesus is distinct from the Father, Matt. 28:19 - thus the one God is Father, Son & Holy Spirit). Baptism does not save you, God saves you (see the thief on the cross, Cornelius).
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@CAnswersTV the "word" in john 1 is translated as "Logos" which means "the expretion of thought"..the idea of Jesus was there in the begginning...it was with God, and it is God..Jesus is God fully (Col.2:9) in Matt. 28:19-whats the "name" of the father, and the son, and the holy spirit? the name is Jesus...in acts, they didnt baptize saying "in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit" they did it in the name of Jesus..they got it right.....
j1b2k3r4 1 year ago
@j1b2k3r4 You're wrong in your theology my friend & unless you repent you will be eternally lost. You have created a false god with your "oneness" doctrine (of which the Muslims & Jehovah's Witnesses would be proud of you) by denying the Son of God. You cannot have the Father without the Son (1 John 2:22-23) yet you replace the Son of God with the Father (the ancient heresy of modalism) & thus deny the ETERNAL SON OF GOD (Hebrews 7:3). You have another Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:4, Gal 1:6-9).
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
Fact faced, my friend. I just have a hard time believing that if you were held hostage along with a Catholic in an Islamic camp, you would feel no brotherhood/fellowship with the Catholic beside you. Of course, the same scenario can substitute any Christian system for Catholic. Do you feel you would be the only saved one in the room in that scene?
jlmustain 1 year ago
@jlmustain You are saved by a sovereign act of God, not by your works. When a supernatural act of the Holy Spirit in power comes on a man's soul he knows it (similiar to Acts 10 with Cornelius & household). That supernatural power of God regenerates the man into a new creature (2 Cor. 5:17) & he goes on to live a life that is pleasing to God to the best of his ability knowing all along that his good works of obedience do NOTHING to EARN his salvation because he already has it.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@CAnswersTV ....your right,God saves us...but its through the repenting of your sins, baptisim in Jesus name, and being filled with the Holy Ghost. this is what He haves us to do...repenting--it makes all your sins dead...baptisim- (is NOT a profession of faith, its) -the actual washing away of your sins....the infilling of the Holy Ghost by speaking in other tongues-is God actually coming and living inside you...you know He is there by the ividence of speaking in other tongues! (acts 2:1-4)
j1b2k3r4 1 year ago
@j1b2k3r4 You're right when you say I'm right but you're wrong on everything else. Water baptism does NOT save you or regenerate you (go to our website BIBLEQUERY ORG, click the EXPERIENCE box on our homepage & scroll down to our newsletters & see the "Oneness Pentecostals" & "The Church of Christ." See the article "Questions to Consider Concerning Baptism." Next you're wrong about speaking in tongues: see 1 Corinthians 12:1-13, it's a sign but not the only sign & unnecessary for salvation.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
Did you pick that Bennett fella because you felt like you could bully him better? Hilarious! You're all pretty funny! Seems like you're all relying on physical and vocal positioning to make your points. I'M YELLING AND I'M FUNNY AND I CAN CONTROL THE EDITING SO I'M RIGHT! Haha!
jlmustain 1 year ago
@jlmustain Believe it or not, Bennett & Williams had a local cable access channel here in Austin, Texas back in the day (this debate was taped in 1990). They challenged for debate & our representatives accepted. One thing I found, Bennett & Williams are doing just as you say. Some debaters believe the louder they yell the stronger their points but as you know, this is not the case. Campbellites worship water baptism as their saving god.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@CAnswersTV To be frank with you, sometimes it seems like Baptists worship their ability to say you don't have to be baptized. I don't fall on either side of that, I'm just speaking of my perception. It seems to me that a church would want to be defined by their love for Christ as opposed to some stance on an issue: be it baptism, instruments, no baptism, this only, that only, etc.
jlmustain 1 year ago
@jlmustain Baptists (at least the truly saved ones) battle it out with Campbellites (water baptism salvation gospel), Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower salvation gospel), Mormons (multiple gods salvation gospel), Muslims (Muhammad's works salvation gospel), Atheists (no salvation gospel), Roman Catholics (7 sacraments that "might" get you to Purgatory gospel), & on the list goes. The battle is about what is the TRUE GOSPEL which comes to us by GRACE not WORKS (Eph 2:8-10).
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@CAnswersTV Well, to some extent: well said. I don't interpret the "broad is the gate" verse the way you do though. The sheer mass of unbelievers (versus Christendom) seems to me to be those who will walk the broad path. I find it sad to hear of people who preach that it's some type of whittled-down, select group of those within the proper "sect" of Christianity who will make up those who'll walk the narrow path. That's far more elitist than what Christ preached.
jlmustain 1 year ago
@jlmustain You may as well face up to the fact that "not many" are going to be saved from the wrath to come by a righteous & holy God. There is no particular "sect" or street sign church name that buys one a ticket into heaven. Most of the people who claim to be Christians are not going to make it (Matthew 13 & Mark 4 - parable of the sower), just a remnant (Romans 11:5-7). The heathen are already doomed.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
@CAnswersTV I grew weary of the Church of Christ not because of baptism, but because I felt like I belonged to a group instead of a body and because that group seemed fine with being defined as the church who didn't use instruments. The Baptists seem the same, but the definition they seem to be fine with is NOT being baptized. Something just feels off there.
jlmustain 1 year ago
@jlmustain Please keep in mind that most that say they are Christians will NOT enter into the Kingdom of God (Matthew 7:13-29). Probability says that most of the professing "believers" among all types of Baptists are simply NOT going to make it to heaven in the end. If this is the case as the Bible makes clear then it only makes sense that many Baptists are NOT going to measure up to Biblical standards. The Campbellites, however, just have a false gospel (Gal. 1:6-9).
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
ou must Rightly Divide The Word Of Truth to Understand The Scriptures. Mathew-John Describing Jesus B4 The Cross is Old Testament Not New. Mathew 5:17-18 Mathew 7:12. Jesus Said CLEARLY HE WOULD BUILD HIS CHURCH. How Clear can it be? This was an OLD TESTAMENT Short Range Prophesy.Acts Chapter Begins The New Testament.1 Peter 3:21 If Peter an Inspired Man Sais Baptism Saves it does. 1 Cor;15:1-4 Romans 6:3-6 John 3:3-6
Love6653 1 year ago
@Love6653 This argument is extremely lame, surely you can do better than this? I think you are suffering from a common problem that most people have as found in 1 Corinthians 2:14, namely you need to get saved by a sovereign act of God (Romans 9:11-22, much like Jacob was in this passage). You are putting all your faith & trust in your "church" & your "baptism" instead of faith alone in Christ Jesus.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
ou must Rightly Divide The Word Of Truth to Understand The Scriptures. Mathew-John Describing Jesus B4 The Cross is Old Testament Not New. Mathew 5:17-18 Mathew 7:12. Jesus Said CLEARLY HE WOULD BUILD HIS CHURCH. How Clear can it be? This was an OLD TESTAMENT Short Range Prophesy.Acts Chapter Begins The New Testament.1 Peter 3:21 If Peter an Inspired Man Sais Baptism Saves it does. 1 Cor;15:1-4 Romans 6:3-6 John 3:3-6
Love6653 1 year ago
@Love6653 You just don't seem to get what I'm trying to tell you, do you? I think your problem is found in 1 Corinthians 2:14 but what can I do but simply preach the word & refute the gainsayers (Titus 1:9). Only God can open a man's eyes to see the truth not me (2 Timothy 2:24-26). I've been trying to tell you God builds HIs OWN church NOT YOU, no matter what sign you put outside of the building! The thief & Cornelius did not need baptism to be saved!
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit,after the tradition of men,after the rudiments of the world,and not after Christ.For in him dwelleth ALL the fulness of the GODHEAD bodily.And ye are complete in him,which is the head of ALL principality and power. (Col.2:8-10) you pretend to be leading to Christ; but you are not!
Truthseeker424 1 year ago
@Truthseeker424Your argument is very unconvincing. Anyone can quote a verse & then say what you are saying. Watch our videos here on Youtube where we debate the Moonies & you'll see what I mean. When studying the total elements of the Campbellite "ancient gospel" established by Alexander & Thomas Campbell, Barton W. Stone & Walter Scott in the early 1800s it's obvious that these men were attempting to invent a "works" ritualistic religion sort of like Romanism without a Pope.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
"reyjacobs" you need to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ so that you might be saved from the wrath of God to come. Your "at least" attitude gives away where your heart is when it comes to salvation. It's obvious that you are not concerned with the issues that really matter in life such as knowing Jesus Christ personally (Philippians 3:8-11) & having union with him through the indwelling Spirit of God (Romans 8:14-16). Instead you have chosen an "at least" path which only leads to destruction.
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
CAnswersTV said You should be concerned with Jesus & trusting only in Him & not in your "obediences" (ie "works", Ephesians 2: 8-10) wow, you need to study your bible sir. again explain Heb 5:8-9, how is salvation given?? Again I will ask you if Noah only believed in God and did not obey him to build the ark, would him and his family be saved by the flood?
If you fully understand what faith is, you would see that because you believe you would act. I Peter 4:17 Obedience is indeed inportant
kenbvi 2 years ago
"kenbvi" you have made an eternally fatal mistake in your Biblical understanding of salvation. Instead of trusting Christ ALONE for your salvation you have added works (obedience) which is another gospel (Galatians 1:6-9). You do obedience NOT TO GET SAVED but because you ALREADY ARE SAVED (at that moment when a person is supernaturally indwelt by the Holy Spirit - 1 Corinthians 6:19). Christ was ALREADY GOD in Heb 5:8-9 & He obeyed. Noah was ALREADY SAVED (Romans 9:11 ff) & thus he obeyed.
CAnswersTV 2 years ago
I am very disappointed in CAnswersTV answers to many of the questions given. The last disappointed answer is to the question about the Baptist Church found in scripture and the answer is "the short answer is, it does not matter" Are you serious sir? A name after a man? so you can call yourself anything?? i.e. church of satan? Satan church? Church of the heathens? sinners church? why is it that it does not matter, how can you say something like that?
kenbvi 2 years ago
"kenbvi" you sound like one of the Corinthians that Paul was complaining about (1 Corinthians 1:12-17, finishing with "Not to baptize, but to preach the gospel."). You're concerned with "Names" like the Corinthians were & Paul rebuked them. You should be concerned with Jesus & trusting only in Him & not in your "obediences" (ie "works", Ephesians 2: 8-10) or that your church name should be called the "Church of Jesus." 2 Timothy 2:10 says "elect's sakes" thus Romans chapter 9 is in effect.
CAnswersTV 2 years ago
Let the Bible speak...
(ROMANS 10:9) -- if you confess w/ your mouth "Jesus is Lord..."
MATTHEW 7:21 -- not everyone who calls me Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven...
JAMES 2:17 -- show your faith by what you do, "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that.
JAMES 24 -- "YOU SEE THAT A PERSON IS JUSTIFIED BY WHAT HE DOES AND NOT BY FAITH ALONE."
EriCLopEzSavEllanO 2 years ago
"EriCLopEzSavEllanO" you FORGOT ONE: EPHESIANS 2: 8-9, "FOR BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED THROUGH FAITH; AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES: IT IS A GIFT OF GOD: NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST." And why is it by GRACE & not of WORKS? BECAUSE: ROMANS 9: 11-13 says, "FOR THE CHILDREN BEING NOT YET BORN, NEITHER HAVING DONE ANY GOOD OR EVIL, THAT THE PURPOSE OF GOD ACCORDING TO ELECTION MIGHT STAND, NOT OF WORKS, BUT OF HIM THAT CALLETH...AS IT IS WRITTEN, JACOB I HAVE LOVED, BUT ESAU HAVE I HATED."
CAnswersTV 2 years ago
Eph 2:8-9 - talks about "Grace" that is a free gift from God which is not gained thru works by man so that no one could boast & be contented by not believing.
while believing faith inorder to be saved must be shown thru obedience in the commandments of God, because even demons believe it. James 2:17 tells us to show our faith by what we do and is justified in spirit.
And that's the difference bet. the two scriptures.
EriCLopEzSavEllanO 2 years ago
You're wrong again "EriCLopEzSavEllanO" because you are depending on your "obedience" (translate "works") to be saved despite what Ephesians 2:8-10 says. Your problem is you do not understand what GRACE really is Biblically. GRACE means you cannot do anything to EARN or KEEP your salvation & why is this? It is because God chooses (Ephesians 1: 1-11) SOME to salvation BEFORE they do any OBEDIENCE in this life at all (Romans 9:11-13). The ones not chosen vainly try to WORK OBEDIENTLY for it.
CAnswersTV 2 years ago
How about the baptist church?
Where can you find baptist church? book chapter and verse!
dennreed23 2 years ago
@dennreed23 Do you know how many times I have heard what you just said from Campbellites, Mormons, Roman Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. in my lifetime?! I'd be rich if someone would just give me a dollar for each time. If you want a detailed answer just go to YAHOO VIDEO or GOOGLE VIDEO (search LARRY WESSELS on their homepages) & look for either our 22 hour debate with the Church of Christ (Ross vs Jackson) or the 13 hour debate (Ross vs Brown). The short answer is it does not matter!
CAnswersTV 2 years ago
Just before Jesus was baptized,he said "It becomes us to fulfill all righteousness "and that's good enough for me. In Matthew 21:25,he asked this question,"The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? " and they wouldn't answer him,their reasoning made obvious. The subject being baptism,from then on,he spoke to them in parables about it,up to Matthew 22:12,where it is described as the wedding garment and the one without it was cast out from the wedding. Can it be explained any better ?
hotlic 2 years ago
As usual hotlic you Campbellites completely miss the point because you're so blinded by your "water baptism" god that you think it is going to save you IF you do enough GOOD WORKS to go with it to possibly get you into heaven (Romans 9:11-18). Your Campbellite "Restored Gospel" is as phony as a 3 Dollar Bill. The Bible says we are to be baptized BUT not to OBTAIN SALVATION by it (1 Corinthians 1:14-18). See our Youtube debate on "Limited Atonement" where we deal with Matt 22 & Jesus' parables.
CAnswersTV 2 years ago
Joe Smith claimed a restoration and called his church the "Church of Christ", Like the BofM says in Nephi xii:3. But Joe broke his own rule and changed it 2x into CofJCofLDS. Is there a direct link to the 2 Church of Christ's?
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
Good analytical question IExposeMormonism! Yes there's a link between Mormonism & Campbellism (aka Church of Christ, 'Restoration Movement," etc.). The link is a man named Sidney Rigdon who, during the 1820s was Alexander Campbell's associate in Alex's superstitious doctrine of water baptism "in order to the remission of past sins" & "the millennial reign of Christ." Rigdon later left Campbell & joined Joseph Smith in Mormonism. Check out "Rise of the Cults" by Larry Wessels on the internet.
CAnswersTV 2 years ago
I know Sid was with Campbell. But is it the same church or just a church with the name "CofC",as per Nephi xii. I also wonder if there is a connection to the Free Love Society. I am pretty sure his dad was part of "The Wood Scrape Incident" and Universalist Church
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
"IExposeMormonism" I haven't seen anything on the Free Love Society. I looked up your reference to the Book of Mormon for either 1 Nephi or 2 Nephi chapter 12 verse 3 but failed to see your connection on this point in either verse, you sure you have the right verse? Anyway, Smith initially named his Mormon cult the "Church of Christ" & did claim to "Restore" the church just like Campbell & his "Restorers" did. This in large part was due to Rigdon's influence who picked it up from Campbell.
CAnswersTV 2 years ago
I never looked it up. I'm quoting David Whitmer, 1887, "An address to All Believers in Christ". P. 73. "When Christ to them on the 3rd day of his mission (they asked), what will we call this church...? ye shall call the church in my name" Nephi xii:3. I never look at the BofM unless needed. I did just take a look and can't find it. But Whitmer is a Witness of the BofM, so he can't be wrong! I'll see what I can find. It's in there somewhere.
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
Salvation is by GRACE ALONE through FAITH ALONE. This is an attempt to squeeze works righteousness into the equation. Anyone who deviates from this historical pauline doctrine, which is also the foundation of CHRIST alone and the Reformation, needs to go back to SCRIPTURE alone. This Campbell fellow is wrong.
19ufo47 2 years ago
What is the point of this video?
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
"bandaidmafia" the point of this video is to show what Campbellites believe about water baptism. Campbellites believe that without water baptism you must go straight to hell forever. Campbellites make a "saviour" out of water baptism via misquoted verses such as Acts 2:38 because they believe Alexander Campbell restored the true "Church of Christ" & his way to interpret the Bible is the only way. Alexander Campbell says no baptism, no salvation. See BibleQuery org for more on water baptism.
CAnswersTV 2 years ago
[without water baptism...]
A) The historic Christian faith for hundreds of years has taught that baptism is necessary for salvation.
B) All the church fathers who wrote on baptism clearly indicated that it was part of the remission of sins.
C) People like Barnabas, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Origen, Cyprian, Ambrose, Augustine, etc.
D) Even some of the most prominent Reformers, like Martin Luther, admitted that the bible taught baptismal regeneration.
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
My dear bandaidmafia it seems you have now gotten the point of the video namely that water baptism is NOT necessary for salvation at all, good for you! I'm surprised that you needed my comment to understand since obviously the material in the video was over your head. And now, since you mention church history, please go to our website HistoryCart com which is devoted to nothing but early church teachings. Our many debates with Campbellites & their water baptism "saviour" now makes sense, eh?
CAnswersTV 2 years ago
[please go to our website...]
A) I went there and I didn't see anything on baptism.
[many debates with Campbellites...]
B) You paint Cempbellites like some cult for accepting the biblical teaching of baptismal regeneration.
C) The reality is that the historic Christian faith from the church fathers to today has always taught it.
D) In perspective, it is your group that rejects the historical orthodox position on the necessity of baptism.
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
bandaidmafia you should have looked over our website a little closer, try the Didache (c. 125 AD) which discusses it in chapter 7 page 379. Also see Eusebuis' Ecclesiastical History (323-326 AD), book 6, ch. 5, p. 253 concerning the Christian lady Potamiaena & the soldier Basilides. Your baptismal regenerational theory does not work in cases such as this much like the "thief on the cross" who went to paradise unbaptized. Campbellites demand immersion for salvation but this "gospel" is bogus.
CAnswersTV 2 years ago
[try the Didache...]
A) I have read it and there is nothing in there that rejects baptismal regeneration.
B) It commands people to fast before being baptized and allows baptism by pouring.
Q: Do you agree with those practices?
[Potamiaena & the soldier Basilides...]
C) The "seal of the Lord" mentioned by Eusebius is an early Christian term for baptism so that actually hurts your case.
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
"bandaidmafia" you are simply evading the issue at hand, namely, that Basilides was not baptized or was the thief on the cross. The seal of the Lord is being born again & indwelt by the Holy Spirit not water baptism (2 Corinthians 1:22). Water baptism & the heresy of baptismal regeneration has nothing to do with the saving Gospel as Paul declared, "I thank God that I baptized none of you" (1 Corinthians 1:14). A person (the thief) can be "born again" without water baptism or its necessity.
CAnswersTV 2 years ago
[...Basilides was not baptized]
A) As I stated, Basilides was indeed baptized and that is what is meant by him receiving the "seal of the Lord".
[...being born again & indwelt]
B) Your personal understanding of the bible does not change that the "seal of the Lord" means baptism in Eusebius.
[...gospel as Paul declared]
C) According to Paul the way into the body of Christ is baptism:
"For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks..." - 1 Corinthians 12:13
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
bandaidmafia your false interpretation of "seal of the Lord" was already refuted by 2 Corinthians 1:22 & the THIEF ON THE CROSS which you conveniently ignore through this whole discussion. The thief was NOT baptized YET he was saved WITHOUT baptism! Paul refutes you again with 1 Corinthians 1:17, "Christ sent me NOT TO BAPTIZE, but to preach the gospel..." Baptism is not part of the Gospel, get it? Your god is baptism not Christ & faith alone in Him. You need SPIRITUAL rebirth not water.
CAnswersTV 2 years ago
[the THIEF ON THE CROSS...]
B) The thief on the cross was saved under the Old Covenant so he did not need water baptism.
[Paul refutes you...]
C) Paul did not baptize many people because he didn't want them to say that they were baptized into his name.
D) Paul was sent to preach not to baptize but that doesn't mean baptism is not necessary for salvation:
"Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?" - Romans 6:3
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
bandaidmafia you've lied to your readers on all counts because you're blinded by your dependence on water baptism as your god. I'm dealing with your "god" which is water baptism & that is what you have put your faith in for salvation, not Christ. Your "water" god will not save you! Flee from this idolatry! The thief died AFTER Christ so it was the NEW Covenat not the OLD. Baptism is NOT the Gospel. Romans 6:3 is not saying baptism is necessary for salvation. Go to BibleQuery org for more.
CAnswersTV 2 years ago
Watched some of the video. There are a lot of false things said in them. From what I saw (I only watched maybe 2 of them) was 2 guys sitting there bashing the church of Christ. Not my idea of a debate. Maybe I need 2 watch the rest, but the false doctrine that these guys were talking about pretty much mad me sick!!!
kac0404 2 years ago
kac0404 I'm sorry you were made sick when confronted by the truth but that's what usually happens to heretics who don't like what the Bible teaches (you ought to check out our debate with the Moonies on Youtube, they are just like you). The Moonies believe Rev Sung Myung Moon is the Second Coming of the Messiah (go to our CANSWERSTV channel page & watch the 10 part "Debate with the Moonies"). Although you don't believe in Rev Moon you do believe in Alexander Campbell, the "Restorer" & leader.
CAnswersTV 2 years ago
I wonder if you all would debate Jack Evans out in Texas. He would really show you all some things, and a debate is not 1-sided, so next time wait until the other side is there before you put this stuff up.
sdbsingle1 2 years ago
sdsingle1 you have not checked out our full length videos posted on YAHOO VIDEO (search LARRY WESSELS once on their homepage) with the many hours of debate footage we have with Campbellite preachers. Check out the 22 hour debate series between Bob L. Ross, author of "Campbellism, Its History & Heresies" & Campbellite preacher Bill Jackson. Also see the 13 hour debate between Bob Ross & another Campbellite preacher David Brown on the work of the Holy Spirit. We have others still to be posted.
CAnswersTV 2 years ago
I can except being confronted by the truth, however, I'm being confronted by a lies and that's what makes me sick. I believe what Alexander Campbell did was right in getting back 2 the scriptures as they did when it was one church (body). U can say what u want but there is only one (church) that will save u and it is the only church u find in the bible (Rom. 16:16).
kac0404 2 years ago
So far kac0404 you haven't named a single lie that we've stated, you just claim we're lying without giving any evidence. You have, however, in what you've said been able to insert your foot into your mouth theologically speaking. First of all, you agreed with us about how you like Alexander Campbell instead of Rev Moon. Next, you are saying that your "Church of Christ" organization is your savior rather than the Lord Jesus Christ (very similar to the Jehovah's Witnesses). That IS sickening!
CAnswersTV 2 years ago
U will only find one church in the (New Testament) and that is the church of Christ. Furthermore, we are not Campbellites. We are members (baptized believers of the church of Christ.
kac0404 2 years ago
"kac0404" go to YAHOO VIDEO (put "LARRY WESSELS&quo