I loved the miniseries more because of Laura Linney as Mrs. Adams and Stephen Dillane as Thomas Jefferson. Also because of the miniseries,I was admired of Laura Linney and her amazing acting.
"No, Posterity, you will never know how much it cost us to preserve your freedom. I hope that you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that I ever took half the pains to preserve it." ☆≈
Can the war be over between U.S. and G.B. but to make things clear for history. We in america hag greed inported from england, France, and Spain. Before that.! There wasn't much if any. O!Yes! Paper Money. Some thing to be greedy over , to still and kill over and use to take things away form others. That is what you call bring civilalization to america. I think not!!! Why didn't you stay over their??So don't take credit for bring some thing not wanted to america.
This is the first Youtube comment I have ever left. The reason is because I could not agree more with that assessment. It was my favorite line in the whole series, followed closely by the line on liberty during Adams' delegate selection speech. That line should hit home with everyone.
Why do you say "now"? America has always been a nation of gangsterism and humbug, bamboozling the masses for the benefit of the few. "Freedom" in America has for the dominant class always been the license to steal, plunder and murder. Of course, that is not the whole story, but it is the predominant one, politically. I don't know how Americans can read their history and not come to that conclusion. The only thing to have changed is that now America is a declining, rather than a rising, country.
How about you read your country's history before trying to lecture any American about ours. It's very funny to hear that from someone who's own country's need for complete world dominance is the biggest part of their history. Ask the Zulu's, India, US, Ireland, Scotland, and so on and so on. "The sun never sets upon the British Empire". Remember that?? So research your own shame, then come back and try and tell me about ours. Funny thing is.. Maybe we learned it from your Empire.....
We brought civilized government, education, a reasonably honest civil service, the rule of law, economic development and technology to half the world, including you. The Zulus lived for war--you couldn't mate until you had seen battle. The Indians threw wives on to the funeral pyres of their husbands. The US were busy commiting genocide against the indigenous population whom HM Government tried to correct. I could go on. Nonetheless, the Empire was a bad idea.
By the way.. The "half of the world" you talk about would completely laugh and disagree with your delusional view on what Brittan has brought to them. But again, your trying to lecture me when you live in a country who is best known for it's hundereds of years of barbarism. It's that same barbarism that made us kick your ass back into the sea. The US is far from perfect, but I would rather have our history then your tyrannical one.
1/2 I know they would and I understand why. My view is not dillusional, read any good economic history on the British Empire. We created half the states of Africa out of conflicting tribes. We left them functioning judiciary, parliaments, road systems, RRs, booming agriculture etc. Many were gone within 10 yrs. The Congo went back to nature. Nonetheless, people want to be independent. Vis the American colonies, the essential thing there was not dominion but the restoration of trade. Undeveloped
Builderf cont.- Gandhi never wanted to leave the Empire. It was a matter of home rule. The US is an assemblage of colonies which came into being as trading posts, plantations, settlement. and protection from French and Indian attack (HM's govt did treat Indians better than the settlers did). Eventually some Amer colonists insisted on independence, fought for it (with French and Spanish help) and won it. Ireland, however, is a totally different case. There the British crime IS a disgrace.
2/2 land was worth little. A good sugar island in the Carabbean was worth more to the UK than all of America west of the Alleghenies.
Btw, what do you mean you kicked our asses. Cornwallis would have been fine if the French fleet had not cut him off from seaborne reinforcements.
We gave you a very generous peace in order to restore good relations and trade. You taught us that colonies grow up, and it is best to let go amiably. For that we thank you. For the rest, you're just jealous!
One of America's most tragic contributions to politics is the "errant politician", a big-mouth careerist out for himself for whom the interests of the nation are secondary if that. The so-called "whig aristocracy" who ruled us for generations did so believing it was their God-given duty to govern the nation for its benefit. When the 14th Earl of Derby was asked to be PM in the 1850s he turned it down, saying his Party hadn't enough talent to govern. Derby had won the lottery of life at birth.
@CARDUELIS999 I don't quite understand this (vote me up?) I take it that you mean that the British knew they were losing a great deal when then lost the territory south of the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence. Certainly they knew they had lost a great deal when they lost, period. How much they valued possession of that territory is less certain. The 13 colonies costly to run; whereas Canada--the fur trade and the Cod Banks--and the West Indies Islands (sugar) were more directly profitable.
I don't know why you take this analysis of America so personally, unless it is a case of "I can say it, but you can't" a sensitivity I can sympathize with. With regard to Scotland, it is a case of the Scottish King (the sovereign power) inheriting the English throne, coming south to occupy it, and choosing never to go back. The Zulus encountered the White settlers as the Zulus conquered southwards--they were a totally militarized tribe. Quite incredible! Indians loved the Empire but --continued
@TheBuilder65 I told you the truth about the United States. You have told me the truth about England. We haven't gone into Japan or Russia, or France and Holland, or Italy and Spain, or Poland and China, or, or, or. Pretty depressing, isn't it?
Didn't turn out as I thought, will reformat this to get better quality later on, but you get the idea of the clause John noted. Great series and should be mandatory for history classes to review and utilized for preservation of historical instructions long forgotten or lost in our constitution.
@freshmeatz I beg to differ with you. This is not the kind of history children should be taught. They should be learning the facts of history. This the kind of history adults who know what happened should be offered for their consideration.
I thought it was excellent and I would add that the parts of this story I know in detail were depicted with great accuracy.
I loved the miniseries more because of Laura Linney as Mrs. Adams and Stephen Dillane as Thomas Jefferson. Also because of the miniseries,I was admired of Laura Linney and her amazing acting.
98bigbutt 9 months ago
"No, Posterity, you will never know how much it cost us to preserve your freedom. I hope that you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that I ever took half the pains to preserve it." ☆≈
MePasyou 1 year ago
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MePasyou 1 year ago
Much envy being posted.
bushpilot42 2 years ago
Can the war be over between U.S. and G.B. but to make things clear for history. We in america hag greed inported from england, France, and Spain. Before that.! There wasn't much if any. O!Yes! Paper Money. Some thing to be greedy over , to still and kill over and use to take things away form others. That is what you call bring civilalization to america. I think not!!! Why didn't you stay over their??So don't take credit for bring some thing not wanted to america.
dduffey60 2 years ago
I hope people really pay attention to the last line Adams says, what would he say now about the state our beloved country?...
TheBuilder65 2 years ago 10
This is the first Youtube comment I have ever left. The reason is because I could not agree more with that assessment. It was my favorite line in the whole series, followed closely by the line on liberty during Adams' delegate selection speech. That line should hit home with everyone.
albaker1 2 years ago 2
I glad my comment made you decide to post. Lets hope that one day again "that liberty will reign in America"
TheBuilder65 2 years ago 4
Why do you say "now"? America has always been a nation of gangsterism and humbug, bamboozling the masses for the benefit of the few. "Freedom" in America has for the dominant class always been the license to steal, plunder and murder. Of course, that is not the whole story, but it is the predominant one, politically. I don't know how Americans can read their history and not come to that conclusion. The only thing to have changed is that now America is a declining, rather than a rising, country.
mc0558 2 years ago
mc0558;
How about you read your country's history before trying to lecture any American about ours. It's very funny to hear that from someone who's own country's need for complete world dominance is the biggest part of their history. Ask the Zulu's, India, US, Ireland, Scotland, and so on and so on. "The sun never sets upon the British Empire". Remember that?? So research your own shame, then come back and try and tell me about ours. Funny thing is.. Maybe we learned it from your Empire.....
TheBuilder65 2 years ago
We brought civilized government, education, a reasonably honest civil service, the rule of law, economic development and technology to half the world, including you. The Zulus lived for war--you couldn't mate until you had seen battle. The Indians threw wives on to the funeral pyres of their husbands. The US were busy commiting genocide against the indigenous population whom HM Government tried to correct. I could go on. Nonetheless, the Empire was a bad idea.
mc0558 2 years ago
LOL, uhh huh..
By the way.. The "half of the world" you talk about would completely laugh and disagree with your delusional view on what Brittan has brought to them. But again, your trying to lecture me when you live in a country who is best known for it's hundereds of years of barbarism. It's that same barbarism that made us kick your ass back into the sea. The US is far from perfect, but I would rather have our history then your tyrannical one.
TheBuilder65 2 years ago
1/2 I know they would and I understand why. My view is not dillusional, read any good economic history on the British Empire. We created half the states of Africa out of conflicting tribes. We left them functioning judiciary, parliaments, road systems, RRs, booming agriculture etc. Many were gone within 10 yrs. The Congo went back to nature. Nonetheless, people want to be independent. Vis the American colonies, the essential thing there was not dominion but the restoration of trade. Undeveloped
mc0558 2 years ago
Builderf cont.- Gandhi never wanted to leave the Empire. It was a matter of home rule. The US is an assemblage of colonies which came into being as trading posts, plantations, settlement. and protection from French and Indian attack (HM's govt did treat Indians better than the settlers did). Eventually some Amer colonists insisted on independence, fought for it (with French and Spanish help) and won it. Ireland, however, is a totally different case. There the British crime IS a disgrace.
mc0558 2 years ago
2/2 land was worth little. A good sugar island in the Carabbean was worth more to the UK than all of America west of the Alleghenies.
Btw, what do you mean you kicked our asses. Cornwallis would have been fine if the French fleet had not cut him off from seaborne reinforcements.
We gave you a very generous peace in order to restore good relations and trade. You taught us that colonies grow up, and it is best to let go amiably. For that we thank you. For the rest, you're just jealous!
mc0558 2 years ago
Very interesting tidbits of past history long forgotten. Thanks for the interesting read.
""Freedom" in America has for the dominant class always been the license to steal, plunder and murder" This is so fucking true it isn't funny.
freshmeatz 2 years ago
One of America's most tragic contributions to politics is the "errant politician", a big-mouth careerist out for himself for whom the interests of the nation are secondary if that. The so-called "whig aristocracy" who ruled us for generations did so believing it was their God-given duty to govern the nation for its benefit. When the 14th Earl of Derby was asked to be PM in the 1850s he turned it down, saying his Party hadn't enough talent to govern. Derby had won the lottery of life at birth.
mc0558 2 years ago
@mc0558 America did not contribute the "big-mouth careerist out for himself" to politics. Study the life and career of Alcibiades.
CARDUELIS999 1 year ago
@CARDUELIS999 True!
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 Yes. But, no. The British knew they were losing a great deal, but they understood that was future worth. (Voted you up,though.)
CARDUELIS999 1 year ago
@CARDUELIS999 I don't quite understand this (vote me up?) I take it that you mean that the British knew they were losing a great deal when then lost the territory south of the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence. Certainly they knew they had lost a great deal when they lost, period. How much they valued possession of that territory is less certain. The 13 colonies costly to run; whereas Canada--the fur trade and the Cod Banks--and the West Indies Islands (sugar) were more directly profitable.
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 "Voted you up" means I liked your comment, because yours was a point worth arguing. Really, I don't think we disagree much. Cheers.
CARDUELIS999 1 year ago
I don't know why you take this analysis of America so personally, unless it is a case of "I can say it, but you can't" a sensitivity I can sympathize with. With regard to Scotland, it is a case of the Scottish King (the sovereign power) inheriting the English throne, coming south to occupy it, and choosing never to go back. The Zulus encountered the White settlers as the Zulus conquered southwards--they were a totally militarized tribe. Quite incredible! Indians loved the Empire but --continued
mc0558 2 years ago
@TheBuilder65 I told you the truth about the United States. You have told me the truth about England. We haven't gone into Japan or Russia, or France and Holland, or Italy and Spain, or Poland and China, or, or, or. Pretty depressing, isn't it?
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 I have to agree with you on that.
TheBuilder65 1 year ago
@TheBuilder65 I think on many levels, John Adams would be devastated by the America that he sees today and the coke-heads that run it.
mc0558 1 year ago
Didn't turn out as I thought, will reformat this to get better quality later on, but you get the idea of the clause John noted. Great series and should be mandatory for history classes to review and utilized for preservation of historical instructions long forgotten or lost in our constitution.
freshmeatz 3 years ago
@freshmeatz I beg to differ with you. This is not the kind of history children should be taught. They should be learning the facts of history. This the kind of history adults who know what happened should be offered for their consideration.
I thought it was excellent and I would add that the parts of this story I know in detail were depicted with great accuracy.
mc0558 1 year ago