If Lucifer was an angel, a created being, they were apparently created without genitalia and therefore, could not breed anything. All angels r/ were created beings. For some reason, only mankind has the animal ability of procreation. He was an angel once.
In the Jewish traditions, Lilith is basically an uber-succubus, stealing the seed of young men (through nocturnal emissions) and causes cradle-death in infants by stealing their breath in the night. (This is actually a pretty cool story and the vast majority of Christians are completely unaware of it; it totally blows them away the first time they hear it. Be careful, though: some of them are a little unpleasant afterwards.)
Adam complains to God, who sends an angel to find her and bring her back. (Why God doesn't bring her back instantly by himself isn't explained). The angel finds Lilith on an island in the middle of the ocean, fornicating with demons and giving birth to monstrosities (which implies that there were other rebellious angels BEFORE the fall of Lucifer -- odd.) Anyhow, Lilith refuses to return to Adam.
According to the story, God created Adam and Lilith at the same time and in the same fashion (so that they were equals). Lilith refused to submit to Adam (she refused to lie beneath him during intercourse), and eventually, she has enough and leaves. She speaks the true name of God (I don't know how she learned it), and by its power, flies away over the ocean.
"There are legends that Adam had a wife before Eve who was named Lilith, but this is not found in the Bible." Not, it's not in the Bible -- you can find it by looking in the Apocrypha (a collection of gospels that were not approved for inclusion in the Bible by the Nicien Council for one reason or another).
do you understand that there was other biblical canon that the nicean council rejected that mentions lilith and in the jewish and muslim texts? just cause it aint in your abridged selected-by-men anthology of myths and contradictions, oops i mean bible, doesnt mean that the myth/concept of Lilith isnt a valid one, especially since Lilith was revered as a pagan god before the advent of christianity.
I have the answer 4 this debacle about the 2 creation stories n Genesis.Read 1:26,God made Man & Woman,then read 29.In 29 God says he made the herbs of the field for food.Here it is...Now read Gen.2:5,the 1st word n that verse says (BEFORE) there was any plant or herb in the field that there was no man to till the ground.Now remember in 1:26 God made US before the herbs he placed on the earth in 1:29.God I really need to travel across the States to do what I was sent here for to teach 4 Christ!
Aí minha Deusa eu estou-me aqui a perguntar a mim mesma onde é que este homem estudou? Está aqui a dizer cada disparate neste video, quem é que pensa que é para dizer mal ou pior dizer que os Deuses em que as outras pessoas acreditam não existem, olha amigo no meu país temos direito ás nossas crenças sejam elas quais forem!!Já agora sabias que a biblia foi escolhida a dedo pelo imperador Romano Constantino?? Óbvio só lá mandou colocar o que lhe interessava. And what abouth Jesus is myth to?
the zohar says that lilith would return, and with her children would seduce mankind zohar[ the great whore shall destroy mankind on her bed of whoredom].
lilith is only found in the zohar. she is adams first wife and satan's mistress. she is also the mother of the hairy ones[ no expaination of who they are].when cain went to the land of nod they were there his wife was one of the hairy ones. it has been a secret for centuries.
It's so obvious that you're trying to hide Lilith's influence on your faith. I will concede that she is a Demoness from ancient time, as so many faith create before yours referred to her as a queen of hell figure, but to deny her existance in your faith and call her a myth is hypocricy. All faith is is a myth believed in.
ummm... the bible DOES have lilith in it. lol. but they took it out once it was translated into other languages. The original hebrew bible does talk about her. so do your reaserch first, and than try to "bust myths"... (it was takes out becouse people agreed that this was insignificant to most people. changes like this have been made over many many years. the difference between bible now, and the original hebrew is way too large. but nontheless, you cant just ignore the original hebrew version.
Kittycuddler, why cause the council of nicea picked and choose what you read? that right there is the reason Christians, Catholics and other religions have what i like to call incest fighting. They all believe in the same thing but they are all wrong. as you have put up no support other then "they are wrong and lairs" i have to except that you have no idea what you are talking about and have never studied other religions and you refuse to educate yourself. let me guess dinosaurs are the devil?
Btw! according to the Myth of the Bible, isnt Satan in fact an Angel? An angel that refused to Worship Adam!
Btw 2! Saying that the Bible as something "True" or "False" is rather pointless, as the Bible doesnt have all the answers to this Myth. The Bible is only a handfull of texts collected in Nicea by various "Christian Bishops", by the order of Constantine (Emperor of Rome) somewhere around 330 ad. Many other texts were cut out, left out, censored, altered or forbidden. And then translated!
Also, your Yaweh is nothing more than an adaptation of the Nubian Sun god of war and pestilence by the same name, later adapted by political powers to enforce their rule over their lands. And furthermore, the concept of deity is a psychological component of archetype projection, and only exists within the human mind and the lore of civilizations who created them. So you are trying to say that the voice in your head said this voice isn't real. Stark raving lunatic. Get your head examined.
This is bullshit and you know it. Lilith is the most powerful deity in Mesopotamian cultures which predated the mythos of their Yawehan slaves. The reason you wish to cut her out of your Mythos is because she is power, she is freedom and wisdom through the exploration of female sexuality, something which all Yawehan based religions (islam, judaism, christianity) despise and are deeply afraid of. Denying her only gives her more power to subjugate you, as you attempt to subjugate others.
@lfidarraga pretty much. i still study it. majority of the studying is because Christians dont actually read the book majority of the time and when you start explaining how and why the books untrue they cant use the bible on you and throw out cherry picked verses. but the flaw with this is they go "i feel it" like every other religion and religious person. of course they all cant be right. but really its like reading the Odyssey and can be entertaining. i find the bible boring tho.
Adam and Lilith never found peace together; for when he wished to lie with her, she took offence at the recumbent posture he demanded. 'Why must I lie beneath you?' she asked. 'I also was made from dust, and am therefore your equal.' Because Adam tried to compel her obedience by force, Lilith, in a rage, uttered the magic name of God, rose into the air and left him.
read more. there are plenty of books to support this
@ririmuchan lilith NEVER WAS IN THE BIBLE it is just a myth the story of lilith first came from the alphsbet of Ben sira which was written around 1000 CE WHICH WAS AFTER THE BIBLE WAS ALREADY WRITTEN. and also in the Talmud 2nd centery BCE THE NAME LILITH CAME FROM A DEMON KNOWN AS LILITU (known as the baby killer at night. it was never in the bible it is just a myth
@kittycuddler1 well, I guess you need supporting facts then. Lucky I am more then willing to bring forth supporting evidence. it will talk a few posts. :D here we go:
Wildcats shall meet with hyenas, goat-demons shall call to each other; there too Lilith shall repose, and find a place to rest. There shall the owl nest and lay and hatch and brood in its shadow The difference between the original documents and the translation, most likely the book
@kittycuddler1 you are using reflects a fundamental difference in translation philosophy. Your version represents an approach to translating the Bible (esp. the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament) that seeks to naturalize any references to mythological or supernatural creatures (except angels) into known animals. (Am I right in suspecting that your translation renders 'leviathan' as 'crocodile, 'behemoth' as 'river ox', etc.? Sometimes this works, other times not. The Hebrew word here is 'lilith' no .
@Kittycuddler1 translation.Unfortunately, it is a hapax legomenon (a word that occurs only once in the Hebrew Bible) so we can't determine its meaning by comparison to other uses in the Bible -- we are forced to resort to cognate languages (Akkadian, Aramaic, Ugaritic, etc.), versions (early translations) or Jewish tradition to determine its meaning. The translation 'night creatures' represents a speculative attempt at rendering 'lilith' based on its similarity the Hebrew word 'laylah' -- night.
@Kittycuddler1 . (Lilith traditions also sometimes make this etymological connection - particularly since one of her roles is that of succubus, and she is often associated with owls -- as in this passage.) But a better connection (in my opinion) lies in the Assyrian 'lilitu' -- a nasty female spirit. It may be, however, that neither of these is right, and we simply don't have enough information to make an intelligent guess here. Jewish tradition, of course, points us in the direction of the
@kittycuddler1 mythological creature who is the subject of the Lilith page. However, I do have additional support to my beliefs in the matter of biblical mythos that is supported but the Kabbala.
Lilith is a harlot who fornicates with men. She has no mating with her husband, for He [God] castrated the male and cooled the female. And she becomes hot from the fornication of men, through spontaneous emission. And enough of this.... (Patai81:463)
@kittycuddler1 ) This Lilith -- the Merciful One save us!-- has dominion over children who issue from a man who has intercourse at candlelight, or with his wife naked, or at times when he is forbidden to have intercourse. All those children who issue from these mentioned, Lilith can kill them any time she wants to, because they are delivered into her hand. And this is the secret of the children laughing in their sleep when they are small: it is from Lilith who plays with them.
@kittycuddler1 And I heard that when a small child laughs during the Sabbath night or the night of the New Moon, it is because Lilith is playing with him, and it is well that his father or mother or anyone who sees him laugh should tap his nose with his finger and say: "Go from here, you accursed one, for you have no resting place here!" Let him say this three times, and each time he recites this incantation let him tap the child's nose. And this is very good, for it is in the power of Lilith to
@kittycuddler1 kill them when she wants to. And since she has permission to kill these infants, these souls are called Oppressed Souls. (Patai81:463f) Blind Dragon rides Lilith the Sinful -- may she be extirpated quickly in our days, Amen!-- And this Blind Dragon brings about the union between Samael and Lilith. And just as the Dragon that is in the sea (Isa. 27:1) has no eyes, likewise Blind Dragon that is above, in the likeness of a spiritual form, is without eyes, that is to say, without
@kittycuddler1 colors.... (Patai81:458) Samael is called the Slant Serpent, and Lilith is called the Tortuous Serpent (Isa 27:1). She seduces men to go in tortuous ways.... And know that Lilith too will be killed. For the groomsman [BlindDragon] who was between her and her husband [Samael] will swallow a lethal potion at a future time, from the hands of the Prince of Power. For then, when he rises up, Gabriel and Michael will join forces to subdue and bring low the government of evil
@kittycuddler1 which will be in heaven and earth. (Patai81:468)
Bacharach, 'Emeq haMelekh, 121b
And he [Blind Dragon] is castrated so that he cannot beget, lest [his offspring] annihilate the world. (Patai81:458)
Bacharach, 'Emeq haMelekh, 140b
The Blind Dragon is between Samael and the Evil Lilith. And he brings about a union between them only in the hour of pestilence, the Merciful One save us! And he is castrated so that the eggs of the viper should not dome forth into the world. For were
@Kittycuddler1 it not so, they would annihilate the world. And that kind which is called Lilin are full of hair from their heads down to their feet, but on their heads they have no hair and all their body and face is full of hair. And this Lilith has fourteen evil times and evil names and evil factions. And all are ordained to kill the children -- may we be saved!-- and especially through the witches who are called Kinder Benimmerins in the language of the Ashkenaz [German]. (Patai81:458f)
@kittycuddler1 now to move on to your reference to Sumerians.
Lilith is a mythological female Mesopotamian storm demon associated with wind and was thought to be a bearer of disease, illness, and death. She is mentioned in the epic of Gilgamesh. (Remember Patriarch Abraham came from this area around 1800 BC). Talmudic allusions (Jewish sages writings from 200 AD to 500 AD) to Lilith illustrate her essential wings and long hair, dating back to her earliest extant mention in The
the KJV version was crap. poor translation to make it more suitable for his subjects. as was in his eyes his divine rites.
Other translations of the Bible have used instead of screech owl: night monster (NASB, 1995), Lilith (Jerusalem Bible, 1966) and night bird (English Standard Version, 2001)
I promise I am almost done just a few more things. the dead sea scrolls also have reference to Lilith.
The Dead Sea Scrolls in the Song for a Sage (4Q510-511)
And I, the Instructor, proclaim His glorious splendour so as to frighten and to te[rrify] all the spirits of the destroying angels, spirits of the bastards, demons, Lilith, howlers, and [desert dwellers.] and those which fall upon men without warning to lead them astray from a spirit of understanding and to make their heart and their [.] desolate during the present dominion of wickedness and predetermined time of humiliations for the sons of lig[ht], by the guilt of
@kittycuddler1 the ages of [those] smitten by iniquity - not for eternal destruction, [bu]t for an era of humiliation for transgression.
So, in conclusion I have many factual reference points to Lilith. My suggestion to you and the people who listen to you is: learn more about the history of your own religion. Seek all possible truths and do not dismiss what you at first do not understand. for if you do your only hurting yourself and making you willfully ignorant while making those who
@kittycuddler1 follow you and what you say naive until someone like me teaches what you know is out there but refuse to tell them.
Hewbrews had many writings. Scholars of the time would try to find everything in their religion. The Council of Nicea picked and choose the stories they wanted in or out of the bible and then came the collection of knowledge by the Catholic church began. Root out all stories not to their doctrine and hide them from the world. The truth will always be found.
@ririmuchan that is not in the kjv it is in the jewish verson which is not true scripy=ture do your history better and look in to it a little bit better you are still wrong
ya she's not in the bible cause you people didn't like that part so you cut it out I have read the bible you guys should be ashamed are you really going to take the word of somone that lived thousands of years ago and assume that when ever your brain reandomly tells you to puke out sounds that thats god talking to you I find that an insult to our intelligence if you belive it and live by it then live by all of it insted of changing it to fit you it's the truth or it's not take it or leave it
You do know there are a lot of different stories that were taken out of the bible right? Just look up The Apocrypha. So how do you know that she wasn't in the bible a long time ago and then got taken out? The bible you read was probably one made within the last 100 years (probably earlier lol), not one from a long time ago.
You know I bet if everything in the bible is true, Lilith exists. I mean.. I'd be pretty pissed and probably do nearly the same if I was her. What I font understand though is why the devil and Lilith are "evil". If Satan walks among us and he is as bad as they say isn't god the real evil one for letting him? I suppose I should read the entire bible before I come to conclusions though, but to my understanding Satan only attacks in rebellion to gods will, never a story where Satan randomly tries
@cassidyteufel Hey, I read your post and wanted to chime in...God gives every created being a free choice. This also applies to the one formerly known as Lucifer, now named Satan or translated, the Adversary. He was the first being that God made, the most powerful and the most beautiful, but he became proud and rather than worship God who made him, he elected to demand worship for himself. Read Isaiah 14: 12-15.
God lets us choose, what will you choose? Trust Jesus today, He loves you...
@MikeBurke1974 Explain to me How does Lucifer felt envy on heaven when in heaven no one will feel seekness, sadness or any bad feeling, and how God who is the perfection, is going to be wrong so many times, Adan n Eva, Noel, Moises, how many times God is going to punish humanity, How can a father can punish a son with hell????????
@MikeBurke1974 worship him thats not free will thats a nice way of saying I made you to make me feel good I respect you for your belifes but just sayin
So you say , but you do admit that the bible talks of male & female being made twice . You use a book that man came together to put the books in the bible & left other books out because they didn't support the things they wanted to be said. Where did the wife come from that Adam's son went to another land & marry ? Amazing how people pulls stuff out of the bible to made points that they like , but usually leave other little bits of information out . Have you ever heard of the Sumerian people
There's not two creation stories. Genesis 1 is the entire main account of creation. Genesis 2 is magnification of what happened in the Garden and the 6th day. It'd be likened to me saying "There was a horrible car accident on Saturday we got stuck behind for hours, and on Sunday I made dinner for my family" -- then said "The accident had left 15 injured and was 30 car pileup on I-85, I was glad no one was hurt" Saying the main story, then going back to tell more detail.
Go Lilith! Never submit!
amusingmyslf 5 days ago
If Lucifer was an angel, a created being, they were apparently created without genitalia and therefore, could not breed anything. All angels r/ were created beings. For some reason, only mankind has the animal ability of procreation. He was an angel once.
RAKmageddon 2 weeks ago
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In the Jewish traditions, Lilith is basically an uber-succubus, stealing the seed of young men (through nocturnal emissions) and causes cradle-death in infants by stealing their breath in the night. (This is actually a pretty cool story and the vast majority of Christians are completely unaware of it; it totally blows them away the first time they hear it. Be careful, though: some of them are a little unpleasant afterwards.)
LambdaKore 1 month ago
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Adam complains to God, who sends an angel to find her and bring her back. (Why God doesn't bring her back instantly by himself isn't explained). The angel finds Lilith on an island in the middle of the ocean, fornicating with demons and giving birth to monstrosities (which implies that there were other rebellious angels BEFORE the fall of Lucifer -- odd.) Anyhow, Lilith refuses to return to Adam.
LambdaKore 1 month ago
According to the story, God created Adam and Lilith at the same time and in the same fashion (so that they were equals). Lilith refused to submit to Adam (she refused to lie beneath him during intercourse), and eventually, she has enough and leaves. She speaks the true name of God (I don't know how she learned it), and by its power, flies away over the ocean.
LambdaKore 1 month ago
"There are legends that Adam had a wife before Eve who was named Lilith, but this is not found in the Bible." Not, it's not in the Bible -- you can find it by looking in the Apocrypha (a collection of gospels that were not approved for inclusion in the Bible by the Nicien Council for one reason or another).
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do you understand that there was other biblical canon that the nicean council rejected that mentions lilith and in the jewish and muslim texts? just cause it aint in your abridged selected-by-men anthology of myths and contradictions, oops i mean bible, doesnt mean that the myth/concept of Lilith isnt a valid one, especially since Lilith was revered as a pagan god before the advent of christianity.
systris 1 month ago
Lilith is a myth, as opposed to all the reality-based stories, like Noah's ark, and rising from the dead
andrewc2768 1 month ago
I have the answer 4 this debacle about the 2 creation stories n Genesis.Read 1:26,God made Man & Woman,then read 29.In 29 God says he made the herbs of the field for food.Here it is...Now read Gen.2:5,the 1st word n that verse says (BEFORE) there was any plant or herb in the field that there was no man to till the ground.Now remember in 1:26 God made US before the herbs he placed on the earth in 1:29.God I really need to travel across the States to do what I was sent here for to teach 4 Christ!
WarriorUvChrist 1 month ago
Bilble says a man and woman were created out of the dust, God breathed life into them.
Then later, Adam is alone in the garden, then God creates Eve.
Who is the first woman?
gunnisoned 1 month ago
Lilith is Rei.
awdrifter3 1 month ago
Another perfect example of the FACT that anyone can interpret the Bible any way they want.
513jlynn 1 month ago
Aí minha Deusa eu estou-me aqui a perguntar a mim mesma onde é que este homem estudou? Está aqui a dizer cada disparate neste video, quem é que pensa que é para dizer mal ou pior dizer que os Deuses em que as outras pessoas acreditam não existem, olha amigo no meu país temos direito ás nossas crenças sejam elas quais forem!!Já agora sabias que a biblia foi escolhida a dedo pelo imperador Romano Constantino?? Óbvio só lá mandou colocar o que lhe interessava. And what abouth Jesus is myth to?
MsCRS1978 1 month ago
the zohar says that lilith would return, and with her children would seduce mankind zohar[ the great whore shall destroy mankind on her bed of whoredom].
thehebrewwonder 2 months ago
here's the mystery of lilith, if you can figure it out, lilith wasn't a total woman.
thehebrewwonder 2 months ago
lilith is only found in the zohar. she is adams first wife and satan's mistress. she is also the mother of the hairy ones[ no expaination of who they are].when cain went to the land of nod they were there his wife was one of the hairy ones. it has been a secret for centuries.
thehebrewwonder 2 months ago
It's so obvious that you're trying to hide Lilith's influence on your faith. I will concede that she is a Demoness from ancient time, as so many faith create before yours referred to her as a queen of hell figure, but to deny her existance in your faith and call her a myth is hypocricy. All faith is is a myth believed in.
TheIrishGeisha 2 months ago
ummm... the bible DOES have lilith in it. lol. but they took it out once it was translated into other languages. The original hebrew bible does talk about her. so do your reaserch first, and than try to "bust myths"... (it was takes out becouse people agreed that this was insignificant to most people. changes like this have been made over many many years. the difference between bible now, and the original hebrew is way too large. but nontheless, you cant just ignore the original hebrew version.
TadeuszOlejnik 4 months ago 2
Kittycuddler, why cause the council of nicea picked and choose what you read? that right there is the reason Christians, Catholics and other religions have what i like to call incest fighting. They all believe in the same thing but they are all wrong. as you have put up no support other then "they are wrong and lairs" i have to except that you have no idea what you are talking about and have never studied other religions and you refuse to educate yourself. let me guess dinosaurs are the devil?
ririmuchan 4 months ago
IT IS ALL TRUE !!!!! LOOK AT HOLY SACRED GEOMETRY THE LANGUAGE OF GOD TO UNDERSTAND THE SYMBOLS !!!! you have no idea.....wake up !!!
Burkard 6 months ago
Btw! according to the Myth of the Bible, isnt Satan in fact an Angel? An angel that refused to Worship Adam!
Btw 2! Saying that the Bible as something "True" or "False" is rather pointless, as the Bible doesnt have all the answers to this Myth. The Bible is only a handfull of texts collected in Nicea by various "Christian Bishops", by the order of Constantine (Emperor of Rome) somewhere around 330 ad. Many other texts were cut out, left out, censored, altered or forbidden. And then translated!
jadeLoTuZ 6 months ago
Also, your Yaweh is nothing more than an adaptation of the Nubian Sun god of war and pestilence by the same name, later adapted by political powers to enforce their rule over their lands. And furthermore, the concept of deity is a psychological component of archetype projection, and only exists within the human mind and the lore of civilizations who created them. So you are trying to say that the voice in your head said this voice isn't real. Stark raving lunatic. Get your head examined.
TheIrishGeisha 6 months ago
This is bullshit and you know it. Lilith is the most powerful deity in Mesopotamian cultures which predated the mythos of their Yawehan slaves. The reason you wish to cut her out of your Mythos is because she is power, she is freedom and wisdom through the exploration of female sexuality, something which all Yawehan based religions (islam, judaism, christianity) despise and are deeply afraid of. Denying her only gives her more power to subjugate you, as you attempt to subjugate others.
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@TheIrishGeisha you forgot to take your meds again, didnt you?
SixStringDeity 3 months ago
this is bull shit
there are historical facts that prove abraham was real but because the "bible" says he's real we believe it lol
2015tybaby 6 months ago
All the books arent even in the bible and is the "bible" truely fact?
2015tybaby 6 months ago
tht hoe said sum green shit to god and got flicked
out of EDEN
cenakid3thecool 6 months ago
Adam in the Old Testament = true
Lilith in the same circle of myths but not in the Old Testament = false
They are both myths, Jews, Christians and Muslims choose to believe in one and some Pagans believe in the other, right or wrong.
cannasnagler 7 months ago
Lilith hooked up with some of the angels not satan.
cannasnagler 7 months ago
scotiabank your richer that you think
thevidwatcher101 7 months ago
THAT'S RIGHT! you hear that? NOTHING MORE THAN MYTH!! to all you people who jump at the chance to believe anything!
remember! if you don't stand for anything...you'll fall for everything!
GUNWINGBOMB 7 months ago
She is nothing more than a mith.
Adam is nothing more than a mith
Eve is nothing more than a mith.
lfidarraga 8 months ago
@lfidarraga pretty much. i still study it. majority of the studying is because Christians dont actually read the book majority of the time and when you start explaining how and why the books untrue they cant use the bible on you and throw out cherry picked verses. but the flaw with this is they go "i feel it" like every other religion and religious person. of course they all cant be right. but really its like reading the Odyssey and can be entertaining. i find the bible boring tho.
muaythaijunky 8 months ago
Adam and Lilith never found peace together; for when he wished to lie with her, she took offence at the recumbent posture he demanded. 'Why must I lie beneath you?' she asked. 'I also was made from dust, and am therefore your equal.' Because Adam tried to compel her obedience by force, Lilith, in a rage, uttered the magic name of God, rose into the air and left him.
read more. there are plenty of books to support this
ririmuchan 8 months ago
@ririmuchan lilith NEVER WAS IN THE BIBLE it is just a myth the story of lilith first came from the alphsbet of Ben sira which was written around 1000 CE WHICH WAS AFTER THE BIBLE WAS ALREADY WRITTEN. and also in the Talmud 2nd centery BCE THE NAME LILITH CAME FROM A DEMON KNOWN AS LILITU (known as the baby killer at night. it was never in the bible it is just a myth
kittycuddler1 8 months ago
@kittycuddler1 well, I guess you need supporting facts then. Lucky I am more then willing to bring forth supporting evidence. it will talk a few posts. :D here we go:
The NRSV for support reads:
Isaiah 34:14f
Wildcats shall meet with hyenas, goat-demons shall call to each other; there too Lilith shall repose, and find a place to rest. There shall the owl nest and lay and hatch and brood in its shadow The difference between the original documents and the translation, most likely the book
ririmuchan 8 months ago
@kittycuddler1 you are using reflects a fundamental difference in translation philosophy. Your version represents an approach to translating the Bible (esp. the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament) that seeks to naturalize any references to mythological or supernatural creatures (except angels) into known animals. (Am I right in suspecting that your translation renders 'leviathan' as 'crocodile, 'behemoth' as 'river ox', etc.? Sometimes this works, other times not. The Hebrew word here is 'lilith' no .
ririmuchan 8 months ago
@Kittycuddler1 translation.Unfortunately, it is a hapax legomenon (a word that occurs only once in the Hebrew Bible) so we can't determine its meaning by comparison to other uses in the Bible -- we are forced to resort to cognate languages (Akkadian, Aramaic, Ugaritic, etc.), versions (early translations) or Jewish tradition to determine its meaning. The translation 'night creatures' represents a speculative attempt at rendering 'lilith' based on its similarity the Hebrew word 'laylah' -- night.
ririmuchan 8 months ago
@Kittycuddler1 . (Lilith traditions also sometimes make this etymological connection - particularly since one of her roles is that of succubus, and she is often associated with owls -- as in this passage.) But a better connection (in my opinion) lies in the Assyrian 'lilitu' -- a nasty female spirit. It may be, however, that neither of these is right, and we simply don't have enough information to make an intelligent guess here. Jewish tradition, of course, points us in the direction of the
ririmuchan 8 months ago
@kittycuddler1 mythological creature who is the subject of the Lilith page. However, I do have additional support to my beliefs in the matter of biblical mythos that is supported but the Kabbala.
Examples: Bacharach, 'Emeq haMelekh, 84b, 84c, 84d
Lilith is a harlot who fornicates with men. She has no mating with her husband, for He [God] castrated the male and cooled the female. And she becomes hot from the fornication of men, through spontaneous emission. And enough of this.... (Patai81:463)
ririmuchan 8 months ago
@kittycuddler1 ) This Lilith -- the Merciful One save us!-- has dominion over children who issue from a man who has intercourse at candlelight, or with his wife naked, or at times when he is forbidden to have intercourse. All those children who issue from these mentioned, Lilith can kill them any time she wants to, because they are delivered into her hand. And this is the secret of the children laughing in their sleep when they are small: it is from Lilith who plays with them.
ririmuchan 8 months ago
@kittycuddler1 And I heard that when a small child laughs during the Sabbath night or the night of the New Moon, it is because Lilith is playing with him, and it is well that his father or mother or anyone who sees him laugh should tap his nose with his finger and say: "Go from here, you accursed one, for you have no resting place here!" Let him say this three times, and each time he recites this incantation let him tap the child's nose. And this is very good, for it is in the power of Lilith to
ririmuchan 8 months ago
@kittycuddler1 kill them when she wants to. And since she has permission to kill these infants, these souls are called Oppressed Souls. (Patai81:463f) Blind Dragon rides Lilith the Sinful -- may she be extirpated quickly in our days, Amen!-- And this Blind Dragon brings about the union between Samael and Lilith. And just as the Dragon that is in the sea (Isa. 27:1) has no eyes, likewise Blind Dragon that is above, in the likeness of a spiritual form, is without eyes, that is to say, without
ririmuchan 8 months ago
@kittycuddler1 colors.... (Patai81:458) Samael is called the Slant Serpent, and Lilith is called the Tortuous Serpent (Isa 27:1). She seduces men to go in tortuous ways.... And know that Lilith too will be killed. For the groomsman [BlindDragon] who was between her and her husband [Samael] will swallow a lethal potion at a future time, from the hands of the Prince of Power. For then, when he rises up, Gabriel and Michael will join forces to subdue and bring low the government of evil
ririmuchan 8 months ago
@kittycuddler1 which will be in heaven and earth. (Patai81:468)
Bacharach, 'Emeq haMelekh, 121b
And he [Blind Dragon] is castrated so that he cannot beget, lest [his offspring] annihilate the world. (Patai81:458)
Bacharach, 'Emeq haMelekh, 140b
The Blind Dragon is between Samael and the Evil Lilith. And he brings about a union between them only in the hour of pestilence, the Merciful One save us! And he is castrated so that the eggs of the viper should not dome forth into the world. For were
ririmuchan 8 months ago
@Kittycuddler1 it not so, they would annihilate the world. And that kind which is called Lilin are full of hair from their heads down to their feet, but on their heads they have no hair and all their body and face is full of hair. And this Lilith has fourteen evil times and evil names and evil factions. And all are ordained to kill the children -- may we be saved!-- and especially through the witches who are called Kinder Benimmerins in the language of the Ashkenaz [German]. (Patai81:458f)
ririmuchan 8 months ago
@kittycuddler1 now to move on to your reference to Sumerians.
Lilith is a mythological female Mesopotamian storm demon associated with wind and was thought to be a bearer of disease, illness, and death. She is mentioned in the epic of Gilgamesh. (Remember Patriarch Abraham came from this area around 1800 BC). Talmudic allusions (Jewish sages writings from 200 AD to 500 AD) to Lilith illustrate her essential wings and long hair, dating back to her earliest extant mention in The
ririmuchan 8 months ago
@kittycuddler1 Epic Tale of Gilgamesh.
the KJV version was crap. poor translation to make it more suitable for his subjects. as was in his eyes his divine rites.
Other translations of the Bible have used instead of screech owl: night monster (NASB, 1995), Lilith (Jerusalem Bible, 1966) and night bird (English Standard Version, 2001)
I promise I am almost done just a few more things. the dead sea scrolls also have reference to Lilith.
The Dead Sea Scrolls in the Song for a Sage (4Q510-511)
ririmuchan 8 months ago
@kittycuddler1 fragment 1:
And I, the Instructor, proclaim His glorious splendour so as to frighten and to te[rrify] all the spirits of the destroying angels, spirits of the bastards, demons, Lilith, howlers, and [desert dwellers.] and those which fall upon men without warning to lead them astray from a spirit of understanding and to make their heart and their [.] desolate during the present dominion of wickedness and predetermined time of humiliations for the sons of lig[ht], by the guilt of
ririmuchan 8 months ago
@kittycuddler1 the ages of [those] smitten by iniquity - not for eternal destruction, [bu]t for an era of humiliation for transgression.
So, in conclusion I have many factual reference points to Lilith. My suggestion to you and the people who listen to you is: learn more about the history of your own religion. Seek all possible truths and do not dismiss what you at first do not understand. for if you do your only hurting yourself and making you willfully ignorant while making those who
ririmuchan 8 months ago
@kittycuddler1 follow you and what you say naive until someone like me teaches what you know is out there but refuse to tell them.
Hewbrews had many writings. Scholars of the time would try to find everything in their religion. The Council of Nicea picked and choose the stories they wanted in or out of the bible and then came the collection of knowledge by the Catholic church began. Root out all stories not to their doctrine and hide them from the world. The truth will always be found.
ririmuchan 8 months ago
@ririmuchan that is not in the kjv it is in the jewish verson which is not true scripy=ture do your history better and look in to it a little bit better you are still wrong
kittycuddler1 5 months ago
ya she's not in the bible cause you people didn't like that part so you cut it out I have read the bible you guys should be ashamed are you really going to take the word of somone that lived thousands of years ago and assume that when ever your brain reandomly tells you to puke out sounds that thats god talking to you I find that an insult to our intelligence if you belive it and live by it then live by all of it insted of changing it to fit you it's the truth or it's not take it or leave it
thevidwatcher101 9 months ago 2
You do know there are a lot of different stories that were taken out of the bible right? Just look up The Apocrypha. So how do you know that she wasn't in the bible a long time ago and then got taken out? The bible you read was probably one made within the last 100 years (probably earlier lol), not one from a long time ago.
edpeterson1 9 months ago
Everybody posts comments as if they were there. If you were, then put me on!
mastaspifunk 10 months ago
well man only wants us to know so much. So they could of easily just taken the Lilith part of the bible! think outside of the box, you square!
albaisthebest 11 months ago 2
WHAT!? There is more then just the old testament and new testament there is Babylon bibles, African bibles etc! that predate jews
inechiSAN 11 months ago
Don't worry she doesn't exist.
Water4Jeremiah 11 months ago
You know I bet if everything in the bible is true, Lilith exists. I mean.. I'd be pretty pissed and probably do nearly the same if I was her. What I font understand though is why the devil and Lilith are "evil". If Satan walks among us and he is as bad as they say isn't god the real evil one for letting him? I suppose I should read the entire bible before I come to conclusions though, but to my understanding Satan only attacks in rebellion to gods will, never a story where Satan randomly tries
cassidyteufel 1 year ago
@cassidyteufel Hey, I read your post and wanted to chime in...God gives every created being a free choice. This also applies to the one formerly known as Lucifer, now named Satan or translated, the Adversary. He was the first being that God made, the most powerful and the most beautiful, but he became proud and rather than worship God who made him, he elected to demand worship for himself. Read Isaiah 14: 12-15.
God lets us choose, what will you choose? Trust Jesus today, He loves you...
MikeBurke1974 1 year ago
@MikeBurke1974 Explain to me How does Lucifer felt envy on heaven when in heaven no one will feel seekness, sadness or any bad feeling, and how God who is the perfection, is going to be wrong so many times, Adan n Eva, Noel, Moises, how many times God is going to punish humanity, How can a father can punish a son with hell????????
pintorican 11 months ago
@MikeBurke1974 worship him thats not free will thats a nice way of saying I made you to make me feel good I respect you for your belifes but just sayin
thevidwatcher101 9 months ago
So you say , but you do admit that the bible talks of male & female being made twice . You use a book that man came together to put the books in the bible & left other books out because they didn't support the things they wanted to be said. Where did the wife come from that Adam's son went to another land & marry ? Amazing how people pulls stuff out of the bible to made points that they like , but usually leave other little bits of information out . Have you ever heard of the Sumerian people
AngelAsmodeus 1 year ago
@AngelAsmodeus
There's not two creation stories. Genesis 1 is the entire main account of creation. Genesis 2 is magnification of what happened in the Garden and the 6th day. It'd be likened to me saying "There was a horrible car accident on Saturday we got stuck behind for hours, and on Sunday I made dinner for my family" -- then said "The accident had left 15 injured and was 30 car pileup on I-85, I was glad no one was hurt" Saying the main story, then going back to tell more detail.
droptozro 1 year ago