alot people in the us dont like latino what make them think white ppl going be happy having puerto rico as a state that like having isreal joining nazi germany
While I wouldn't have put it in quite the same way -- and while I realize some will dismiss these comments because of the way they were presented -- there's a lot of not-so-hidden-truth to Juan's assertions.
@Betokid I happened to come across your video clip about Puersto Rico. Young mind, allow me to tell you how sad I am that Puerto Rican culture has been disappearing. Your rebuttal is correct, but most Puerto Rican have become a costume to the free milk and butter the US has provided for year, even before I was a child.
@zacub I have seen my cultured watered down by the Influx of misplaced people from other countries into our beloved Island. We have halve breeds now wait until it becomes a State. Call me what you may, but I believe this intercultural mating is destroying the cultural roots of many people. Above my culture. Where is the Borinquen of the Tainos now?
No soy puertorriqueño, pero creo he estudiado más que tú este asunto de la ciudadanía. Creo que eso de segunda clase es un disparate. Algo más, si la extensión de la ciudadanía hubiera sido por el asunto militar, no entiendo por qué nunca se eliminó la ley cuando ya no hay servicio obligatorio.
No hacen sentido las deducciones que hacen los que no creen en que Puerto Rico debería hacerse un estado federado. Parece que nunca has sabido que la otorgación de la ciudadanía a los puertorriqueños se venía gestionando desde 1899, muchísimo antes de la 1ra Guerra Mundial. Y por último, sin que te ofendas, suenas bien joto. Muy amanerado.
Si, se venía gestionando pero no se había otorgado. O sea, lo que no les dio la gana de hacer en 18 años, de repente hacen. Supongo que crees que es una magnífica coincidencia, o que es que tuvieron un "change of heart" asi de repente. Yo no soy tan inocente.
Supongo que no tienes más nada interesante o útil que decir y por eso recurres a insultarme personalmente. Una pena.
"It won't happen" lol, you seem so sure of yourself, but I'm sure most Statehooders feel the same about their views too. BTW, you're obviously against statehood, are you Pro-independence or pro-status quo?
Pro-independence. And I don't doubt the conviction of those who believe statehood is inevitable, all I can do is argue against it. Anyone is welcome to argue against independence, as well.
well ima juss start off and say i respect ur opinion but i gott asay, puerto rico recently 50% of puertorriquenos speak english fluently so its really becomin popular cuz now half of da commonwealth speaks english and FLUENTLY, another thing ive researched dat people in puerto rico sent their sons/daughters 2 fight in the wars by choice, also puerto ricans, u wont lose ur culture...look at hawaii and alot of states in USA have 2 languages like hawaii puerto rico would benefit becoming a state
I'd like to see where you're getting your information about the percentage of Puerto Ricans who speak fluent English -- everything I have seen fully contradicts that. It just *seems* like a lot of people speak fluent English because, obviously, those are the ones people like you most know about and interact with.
As for your other point, the idea that states like Hawaii have not lost their language and culture to a large extent is simply untrue. How could they not? Speak with a native Hawaiian..
Hello, Thank you for posting your video. Although I completely disagree with your opinion, I respect it nonetheless. You have a very strong case. I believe that your comments in the previous video should NOT have been deleted.
Yes, I am a statehooder, however do not agree completely with the way the PRSSA presented their case.
In conclusion, I believe that you still ought to RESPECT the opinion of others. Please note, not all statehooders are like those in PRSSA.
Thank you for your comment; I truly appreciate it. While I certainly respect those who believe in statehood and respect the PRSSA's right to express their views, I think they disrespected themselves and me by removing my comments and denying people the opportunity to see all points of view.
I think it's a terribly immature thing to do, and that immaturity has continued in this page where the video's creator has engaged in some petty personal attacks (though I admit I have somewhat reciprocated)
As you can probably tell, I welcome the open exchange of ideas and frank discussion about this topic and would gladly answer to whatever criticism you, any PRSSA member or anyone in general has about my views. I only ask for the opportunity to be able to openly offer criticism of my own, and I will pursue that opportunity even in the face of their childish censorship. I know you already agree with me on this and I thank you again for saying so.
Aww...are you upset that someone gave me the password to enter your secret clubhouse of pompous ideologues? No wonder you've been scrambling to keep me and my ideas out of view. You must tremble at the thought that others (or that, even you, yourself!) will come to realize how wrong you've been all along.
I apologize. I obviously gave you too much credit when I wrote that; I believed you would be able to understand a simple metaphor. Apparently, I was wrong.
More to the point, however, I have no intention of disclosing any information about how I came to watch the video.
I hope everyone notes that this is no longer a "video response" to the PRSSA video. In their continued campaign to silence me, they have removed it as such. They have also begun to filter comments, no doubt in response to the critical points I made yesterday which they felt so compelled to erase.
What are you so afraid of? If you are confident in the superiority of your ideas, why not let people hear all sides and let them be the judge instead of censuring me over and over again?
If by "pain in the ass" you mean someone who isn't afraid to stand up for his beliefs and challenge the ideas of those who think differently, then I am glad to be called one.
Instead of childish ad hominem attacks, why don't you or anyone else in your group respond to my arguments? And, better yet, why don't you explain to the people why you've taken such dramatic measures to make sure they don't hear other points of view?
I do not feel traumatized by anything. I simply find it revolting that a supposedly dignified organization would resort to shameful censorship simply because they have no intelligent answers to the criticism being lobbied at them. The fact that you continue to attack me personally without responding to my ideas simply confirms that.
Also, while I understand that you were thinking "tu tienes un trauma..." and simply translated in your head, that's a pretty pitifully written sentence in English.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that sentence. The fact that you believe there is just proves that your command of English is mediocre, at best.
For further proof, let's turn to your mini-biography on the PRSSA website, which states that your "primary education was fulfilled in bilingual schools, from which he graduated of with academic excellence."
I would love to hear you defend the grammar on that one.
Many believe that the Act allowed conscription to be extended to the island. In reality however, the Act was under consideration long before the United States entered the War, and male residents of the United States including Puerto Rico were eligible for the draft whether or not they were U.S. citizens or nationals.
Reference: Jose Cabranes, Citizenship and the American Empire (New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 1979), pp. 14-17.
The fact that the Jones Act was in consideration "long before" WW1 makes it all the more telling that it only came to be enacted just before the U.S. entered the War. To believe the timing was simply coincidental is nothing but naivete.
And while it may have been possible for the US to draft Puerto Ricans regardless, giving us citizenship certainly made the idea more palatable in the U.S. (where some had already begun to express concern over the colonial relationship), on the island and abroad.
Viva Puerto Rico!!! :)
RCNano13 1 year ago
alot people in the us dont like latino what make them think white ppl going be happy having puerto rico as a state that like having isreal joining nazi germany
CHICANOJUAN18 2 years ago
puerto rico dont need to became a state people in the usa hate hispinic and we make more money then what the us give us
CHICANOJUAN18 2 years ago
While I wouldn't have put it in quite the same way -- and while I realize some will dismiss these comments because of the way they were presented -- there's a lot of not-so-hidden-truth to Juan's assertions.
Betokid 2 years ago
@Betokid I happened to come across your video clip about Puersto Rico. Young mind, allow me to tell you how sad I am that Puerto Rican culture has been disappearing. Your rebuttal is correct, but most Puerto Rican have become a costume to the free milk and butter the US has provided for year, even before I was a child.
Zapito119 1 year ago
stop spreading your ignorance
NJRocks281 1 year ago
Puerto Rico Statehood
zacub 2 years ago
@zacub I have seen my cultured watered down by the Influx of misplaced people from other countries into our beloved Island. We have halve breeds now wait until it becomes a State. Call me what you may, but I believe this intercultural mating is destroying the cultural roots of many people. Above my culture. Where is the Borinquen of the Tainos now?
Zapito119 1 year ago
No soy puertorriqueño, pero creo he estudiado más que tú este asunto de la ciudadanía. Creo que eso de segunda clase es un disparate. Algo más, si la extensión de la ciudadanía hubiera sido por el asunto militar, no entiendo por qué nunca se eliminó la ley cuando ya no hay servicio obligatorio.
elcuadradodf 2 years ago
"Creo que es un disparate" no es un argumento muy poderoso...
Y, no se eliminó porque bastante feo que se hubiese visto, ¿no crees?
Betokid 2 years ago
No hacen sentido las deducciones que hacen los que no creen en que Puerto Rico debería hacerse un estado federado. Parece que nunca has sabido que la otorgación de la ciudadanía a los puertorriqueños se venía gestionando desde 1899, muchísimo antes de la 1ra Guerra Mundial. Y por último, sin que te ofendas, suenas bien joto. Muy amanerado.
elcuadradodf 2 years ago
Si, se venía gestionando pero no se había otorgado. O sea, lo que no les dio la gana de hacer en 18 años, de repente hacen. Supongo que crees que es una magnífica coincidencia, o que es que tuvieron un "change of heart" asi de repente. Yo no soy tan inocente.
Supongo que no tienes más nada interesante o útil que decir y por eso recurres a insultarme personalmente. Una pena.
Betokid 2 years ago
"It won't happen" lol, you seem so sure of yourself, but I'm sure most Statehooders feel the same about their views too. BTW, you're obviously against statehood, are you Pro-independence or pro-status quo?
AdvanXer 3 years ago
Pro-independence. And I don't doubt the conviction of those who believe statehood is inevitable, all I can do is argue against it. Anyone is welcome to argue against independence, as well.
Betokid 2 years ago
well ima juss start off and say i respect ur opinion but i gott asay, puerto rico recently 50% of puertorriquenos speak english fluently so its really becomin popular cuz now half of da commonwealth speaks english and FLUENTLY, another thing ive researched dat people in puerto rico sent their sons/daughters 2 fight in the wars by choice, also puerto ricans, u wont lose ur culture...look at hawaii and alot of states in USA have 2 languages like hawaii puerto rico would benefit becoming a state
idahosatha12 3 years ago
I'd like to see where you're getting your information about the percentage of Puerto Ricans who speak fluent English -- everything I have seen fully contradicts that. It just *seems* like a lot of people speak fluent English because, obviously, those are the ones people like you most know about and interact with.
As for your other point, the idea that states like Hawaii have not lost their language and culture to a large extent is simply untrue. How could they not? Speak with a native Hawaiian..
Betokid 3 years ago
Hello, Thank you for posting your video. Although I completely disagree with your opinion, I respect it nonetheless. You have a very strong case. I believe that your comments in the previous video should NOT have been deleted.
Yes, I am a statehooder, however do not agree completely with the way the PRSSA presented their case.
In conclusion, I believe that you still ought to RESPECT the opinion of others. Please note, not all statehooders are like those in PRSSA.
Mature to be respected!
pinacolada135 3 years ago
Thank you for your comment; I truly appreciate it. While I certainly respect those who believe in statehood and respect the PRSSA's right to express their views, I think they disrespected themselves and me by removing my comments and denying people the opportunity to see all points of view.
I think it's a terribly immature thing to do, and that immaturity has continued in this page where the video's creator has engaged in some petty personal attacks (though I admit I have somewhat reciprocated)
Betokid 3 years ago
As you can probably tell, I welcome the open exchange of ideas and frank discussion about this topic and would gladly answer to whatever criticism you, any PRSSA member or anyone in general has about my views. I only ask for the opportunity to be able to openly offer criticism of my own, and I will pursue that opportunity even in the face of their childish censorship. I know you already agree with me on this and I thank you again for saying so.
Betokid 3 years ago
And how come you were forwarded the video? I know it was only sent to statehood followers...
wvelez90 4 years ago
Aww...are you upset that someone gave me the password to enter your secret clubhouse of pompous ideologues? No wonder you've been scrambling to keep me and my ideas out of view. You must tremble at the thought that others (or that, even you, yourself!) will come to realize how wrong you've been all along.
Betokid 4 years ago
what password are you talking about, what I meant to imply was that you were on the PRSSA lists for some reason
wvelez90 3 years ago
I apologize. I obviously gave you too much credit when I wrote that; I believed you would be able to understand a simple metaphor. Apparently, I was wrong.
More to the point, however, I have no intention of disclosing any information about how I came to watch the video.
Betokid 3 years ago
oh my bad, i was the one that was wrong here, see i didn't think you would be able to use a metaphor in your writing.
wvelez90 3 years ago
Thank you for admitting that you underestimated me, although I think that was already evident.
I hope it's a mistake you won't make again.
Betokid 3 years ago
I hope everyone notes that this is no longer a "video response" to the PRSSA video. In their continued campaign to silence me, they have removed it as such. They have also begun to filter comments, no doubt in response to the critical points I made yesterday which they felt so compelled to erase.
What are you so afraid of? If you are confident in the superiority of your ideas, why not let people hear all sides and let them be the judge instead of censuring me over and over again?
Betokid 4 years ago
Has it occured to you that you may be what is commonly known as a pain in the ass and perhaps that is why you are deleted?
wvelez90 4 years ago
If by "pain in the ass" you mean someone who isn't afraid to stand up for his beliefs and challenge the ideas of those who think differently, then I am glad to be called one.
Instead of childish ad hominem attacks, why don't you or anyone else in your group respond to my arguments? And, better yet, why don't you explain to the people why you've taken such dramatic measures to make sure they don't hear other points of view?
Betokid 4 years ago
wow you really have a trauma because your comments were erased.
wvelez90 3 years ago
I do not feel traumatized by anything. I simply find it revolting that a supposedly dignified organization would resort to shameful censorship simply because they have no intelligent answers to the criticism being lobbied at them. The fact that you continue to attack me personally without responding to my ideas simply confirms that.
Also, while I understand that you were thinking "tu tienes un trauma..." and simply translated in your head, that's a pretty pitifully written sentence in English.
Betokid 3 years ago
im the one attacking
wvelez90 3 years ago
that's a pretty pitifully written sentence in English
yeah
wvelez90 3 years ago
Ok. You win. I can't fight such incredible incoherence. I would have better luck trying to discuss Kant with a toddler.
Betokid 3 years ago
do yourself a favor and re-read that last sentence about writing in english.
wvelez90 3 years ago
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that sentence. The fact that you believe there is just proves that your command of English is mediocre, at best.
For further proof, let's turn to your mini-biography on the PRSSA website, which states that your "primary education was fulfilled in bilingual schools, from which he graduated of with academic excellence."
I would love to hear you defend the grammar on that one.
Betokid 3 years ago
Oh thanks now I know why independence has never been a real option.
wvelez90 4 years ago
Um...explain? You're making less sense than usual.
Betokid 4 years ago
Like if you ever did.
wvelez90 4 years ago
Wow...your response speaks for itself. I cannot possibly compete against such powerful rhetoric.
Betokid 4 years ago
I refer to the Jones Act
wvelez90 4 years ago
Yeah um did you know this:
Many believe that the Act allowed conscription to be extended to the island. In reality however, the Act was under consideration long before the United States entered the War, and male residents of the United States including Puerto Rico were eligible for the draft whether or not they were U.S. citizens or nationals.
Reference: Jose Cabranes, Citizenship and the American Empire (New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 1979), pp. 14-17.
wvelez90 4 years ago
The fact that the Jones Act was in consideration "long before" WW1 makes it all the more telling that it only came to be enacted just before the U.S. entered the War. To believe the timing was simply coincidental is nothing but naivete.
And while it may have been possible for the US to draft Puerto Ricans regardless, giving us citizenship certainly made the idea more palatable in the U.S. (where some had already begun to express concern over the colonial relationship), on the island and abroad.
Betokid 4 years ago