John, I was looking into the 427 stroker, then I clicked on a side video and then I see the R&D pop up, and I just said 'damn it John, you've tricked me' Ill explain my shenanigans tomorrow when I come in
a company called genesis is making these 427 blocks again, you can get them in alum. or cast. 4.25 bores and scat makes a new rotating assembly that runs chevy rods and pistons with a 4.35 stroke and with the overbore you can get 547 cubes, side oiler design.
What constitutes a chevy piston? Made by GM? I suspect they are made by Ross or Wiseco or some other piston maker for a Ford FE chamber. The rods are Scat using diameter dimension common to Chevy's. Makes it cheaper to make them. Nit picky I know but there is no need to mention chevy parts.
yes, accual chevy pistons, this is the word of scat tech personel, if you want the specs call scat and confirm, what difference does it make, power is power, pistons are just metal. Pistons don't know if they are ford are chevy. people have been putting chevy motors in fords and ford motors in chevys, budget and availibility always dictate a build. Horse power to wait is all that matters anyway.
Another Version Of Breaking In The Integral Parts That Are Most Vital To The Performance Of The Motor's Output!!!.........Just Lubricating Through A Series Of Test......You Don't Want A Motor Running Without Lubrication Just Like Some Other Commercials Advocating Dura-Lube..........LOL.........Nine9eniN
The Ford FE engine also alludes to industrial competition with other upper class independent auto makers such as Continental (Ford adopted that name also about the same time) and Cord, with their Lycoming FB V8 featuring airplane type tech for automotive application. It was Edsel Ford's idea to form a division of Ford to break out of medium priced autos. Cord was famous for it's fancy V8 named "FB" and Edsel "FE" is an obvious echo to capture some charisma the E. Ford was hoping to get.
Eddie, No cop car had a 410,unless mercury had a cruiser I am not aware of. ALL 427 motors had cross bolt mains and high nickle blocks as well as the later 406 engines,side oiler came around in 65 for nascar,for street or strip wise one is as good as the other.You can't bore any other block to 427 {4.23} due to the 427's precise cylinder spacing and high nickle content. It is possible math wise in some blocks but results in cracked cylinders.
Machine allows the rods & pistons to align before starting. Compression is checked. Machine not designed to "break-in" cam, I can varify counter-rotation of lifters, and set pushrod length, there is sufficeint windage to keep the cam and lifters lubricated. Been able to design some very effectiue windage trays. The machine also allows me to check oil pressure on the lifters from the front to the back of the engine, a significant difference. Engines is checked oil leaks.
Good idea, u can also make sure the engine is nicely primed with oil by doing this and everything fits properly; better to see a fault at 50rpm than 2000rpm!!
U wont break in cam but u will be sure that its gonna get lube when u start the engine, on top of cam lube stuff.
It is fun to read these post,but there is and never was a such thing as a 406 or 427 cop car,unless of course the cop replaced his interceptor with one.
Hey, I've got a 390 that I'll be taking out of my 1971 F100 this weekend. I'll sell you the engine and transmission for $200.00. I'll throw in a magic marker and you can write 427 on it! The only thing you'll need to do is glue some bolt heads on the skirt so that it'll look like it's got crossbolts. Man, am I saving you a lot of money.
Yeah, the 427 block is a slightly different from the other "fe" series engines. The 427 bore is 4.25, stroke 3.78. 360 & 352 bore is 4.05, stroke 3.50. 390 bore is 4.05, stroke 3.78. 428 bore is 4.13, stroke 3.98. 406 bore is 4.13, stroke 3.78.
Only 406 & 427 have cross-bolt mains. There is also a Mercury 410 having a 4.05 bore, stroke 3.98.
Best place to find a 427 or 406 is early 60s Galaxy cop cars, or you could put a 428 crank in your 360 to make a 410.
The good 427s have crossbolt mains and the side-oiler feature that gets the oil to the crank before the valvetrain. Plus not mentioning the different heads and intakes - lowriser, med-riser, high riser, and tunnel port.
Then What's The Actual Thickness Of The Piston Holes From Factory Then From Boring It Out When Through The Process Of Rebuilding The Motor?!? Nine9eniN
the bore on a 390 is 4.05. 60 thousanths over is about as far as i would ever go with it. even that is abit much .you have to bore it 180 thousandths over to make it a 427
You're Right On That! Last Time I Spoke To Another Performance Engine Builder, He Said That The Cylinder Walls Would Be To Thin! It Would Be More Susceptible To Heat Stress And Most Likely Cracking The Piston Hole If You're Dog'n The Crap Out Of That Motor. I Rather Be Safe Be Safe Than Sorry! What Do You Think About Sleeving The Piston Hole? I Personally Do Not Like The Idea And It's A Ghetto Fix To A Mickey Mouse Mechanic.
yea your right about sleeving it . sure you could bore it more but you would lose your cooling capacity because the sleeves would fill part of your water jackets in and your motor would run way too hot.
Just simply install a 428CJ crank in a 390 for a 410 ci....great motor especially if you go with the Edelbrock aluminum heads & cam.
I even but a 428 CJ crank in a 427 S.O., to increase the stroke, with Chevy 454 pistons and got a 10:1 compression ratio. The motor is a bit much in the '68 Fastback.....lights up the tires @ 65 mph!
CF-24?
I use wix napa gold on my 289.
whats a CF-24?
1112223333111 9 months ago
very nice, ty for sharing.
jeff81006 1 year ago
John, I was looking into the 427 stroker, then I clicked on a side video and then I see the R&D pop up, and I just said 'damn it John, you've tricked me' Ill explain my shenanigans tomorrow when I come in
KEEPINITRIL 2 years ago
how much does this service costs?
gregger454 2 years ago
Its too bad all engines dont get this kind of
TLC
tifosiman68 2 years ago
a company called genesis is making these 427 blocks again, you can get them in alum. or cast. 4.25 bores and scat makes a new rotating assembly that runs chevy rods and pistons with a 4.35 stroke and with the overbore you can get 547 cubes, side oiler design.
jamesmrmechanic 2 years ago
What constitutes a chevy piston? Made by GM? I suspect they are made by Ross or Wiseco or some other piston maker for a Ford FE chamber. The rods are Scat using diameter dimension common to Chevy's. Makes it cheaper to make them. Nit picky I know but there is no need to mention chevy parts.
kblackav8or 2 years ago
yes, accual chevy pistons, this is the word of scat tech personel, if you want the specs call scat and confirm, what difference does it make, power is power, pistons are just metal. Pistons don't know if they are ford are chevy. people have been putting chevy motors in fords and ford motors in chevys, budget and availibility always dictate a build. Horse power to wait is all that matters anyway.
jamesmrmechanic 2 years ago
Another Version Of Breaking In The Integral Parts That Are Most Vital To The Performance Of The Motor's Output!!!.........Just Lubricating Through A Series Of Test......You Don't Want A Motor Running Without Lubrication Just Like Some Other Commercials Advocating Dura-Lube..........LOL.........Nine9eniN
150Spoke9 2 years ago
except there's no oil flowing in this video
not really sure what the point is
vapornet12345 2 years ago
If You Look At The Bottom Of The Motor, There Is Signs Of Oil Dripping Onto The Testing Environment Valley Catch Tub!!!! Nine9eniN
150Spoke9 2 years ago
Was this showing the rings finally seating, as the RPM's seemed to climb?
agentc73 3 years ago
I can only imagine they run it up slowly, checking that oil is flowing to everywhere.Then they run it up faster.(???)
heliarche 2 years ago
That's right : Edsel
carcajouxx 3 years ago
FE...the periodic table listing for iron Not what it stands for BUT it really is a pretty big piece of iron.
cabstronaut 3 years ago
The Ford FE engine also alludes to industrial competition with other upper class independent auto makers such as Continental (Ford adopted that name also about the same time) and Cord, with their Lycoming FB V8 featuring airplane type tech for automotive application. It was Edsel Ford's idea to form a division of Ford to break out of medium priced autos. Cord was famous for it's fancy V8 named "FB" and Edsel "FE" is an obvious echo to capture some charisma the E. Ford was hoping to get.
amcramblermarlin 3 years ago
Factory Experimental
ny0607 3 years ago
To all you Ford guys,what does "FE" stand for? Not too many people know!! Heres a hint; the "F" stands for Ford. What does the"E" stand for?
peteandginger 3 years ago
The E stands for Edsel, for the engine was released for the '58 model year, when the Edsel was still considered a good idea...
leefish1 3 years ago
And, don't forget the M-E-L engine, the FE's bigger brother 383, 410 ( different from the FE 410 ), 430, and 462.
leefish1 3 years ago
M-E-L,Mercury,Edsel,Lincoln; Hey you guys are good!! Let`s keep this up!! I love this auto trivia!!
peteandginger 3 years ago
Eddie, No cop car had a 410,unless mercury had a cruiser I am not aware of. ALL 427 motors had cross bolt mains and high nickle blocks as well as the later 406 engines,side oiler came around in 65 for nascar,for street or strip wise one is as good as the other.You can't bore any other block to 427 {4.23} due to the 427's precise cylinder spacing and high nickle content. It is possible math wise in some blocks but results in cracked cylinders.
Misfit412 4 years ago
Not a true break in. What's the point? No compression to seat rings, not really enough rpm to break in cam, no windage to hit bottom of lifters.
cobra428bigblock 4 years ago
Machine allows the rods & pistons to align before starting. Compression is checked. Machine not designed to "break-in" cam, I can varify counter-rotation of lifters, and set pushrod length, there is sufficeint windage to keep the cam and lifters lubricated. Been able to design some very effectiue windage trays. The machine also allows me to check oil pressure on the lifters from the front to the back of the engine, a significant difference. Engines is checked oil leaks.
fiatnutz 4 years ago 4
Good idea, u can also make sure the engine is nicely primed with oil by doing this and everything fits properly; better to see a fault at 50rpm than 2000rpm!!
U wont break in cam but u will be sure that its gonna get lube when u start the engine, on top of cam lube stuff.
tpvalley 4 years ago
@fiatnutz @ Fiatnuts: Truly, you are the best.
moulie987654321 1 year ago
@cobra428bigblock But plenty enough to hurt it.
n5ifi 3 months ago
It is fun to read these post,but there is and never was a such thing as a 406 or 427 cop car,unless of course the cop replaced his interceptor with one.
Misfit412 4 years ago
Cops ran 410s and 428s
eddiehenjr 4 years ago
How do i go about making a 427? can you help me. I got a 1970 Ford F-100 with a 360 I want a 427. need help making a 427 would appreciate
yngwrr 4 years ago
Hey, I've got a 390 that I'll be taking out of my 1971 F100 this weekend. I'll sell you the engine and transmission for $200.00. I'll throw in a magic marker and you can write 427 on it! The only thing you'll need to do is glue some bolt heads on the skirt so that it'll look like it's got crossbolts. Man, am I saving you a lot of money.
pootahyt 4 years ago
Yeah, the 427 block is a slightly different from the other "fe" series engines. The 427 bore is 4.25, stroke 3.78. 360 & 352 bore is 4.05, stroke 3.50. 390 bore is 4.05, stroke 3.78. 428 bore is 4.13, stroke 3.98. 406 bore is 4.13, stroke 3.78.
Only 406 & 427 have cross-bolt mains. There is also a Mercury 410 having a 4.05 bore, stroke 3.98.
Best place to find a 427 or 406 is early 60s Galaxy cop cars, or you could put a 428 crank in your 360 to make a 410.
xbones88 4 years ago
The good 427s have crossbolt mains and the side-oiler feature that gets the oil to the crank before the valvetrain. Plus not mentioning the different heads and intakes - lowriser, med-riser, high riser, and tunnel port.
eddiehenjr 4 years ago
you would need a 427 block. even though the 390 block is nearly identical the cylinder walls arent thick enough to bore it from 4.05" to 4.25"
390cruiser69 3 years ago
Then What's The Actual Thickness Of The Piston Holes From Factory Then From Boring It Out When Through The Process Of Rebuilding The Motor?!? Nine9eniN
150Spoke9 2 years ago
the bore on a 390 is 4.05. 60 thousanths over is about as far as i would ever go with it. even that is abit much .you have to bore it 180 thousandths over to make it a 427
390cruiser69 2 years ago
You're Right On That! Last Time I Spoke To Another Performance Engine Builder, He Said That The Cylinder Walls Would Be To Thin! It Would Be More Susceptible To Heat Stress And Most Likely Cracking The Piston Hole If You're Dog'n The Crap Out Of That Motor. I Rather Be Safe Be Safe Than Sorry! What Do You Think About Sleeving The Piston Hole? I Personally Do Not Like The Idea And It's A Ghetto Fix To A Mickey Mouse Mechanic.
150Spoke9 2 years ago
yea your right about sleeving it . sure you could bore it more but you would lose your cooling capacity because the sleeves would fill part of your water jackets in and your motor would run way too hot.
390cruiser69 2 years ago
390cruser69:
Just simply install a 428CJ crank in a 390 for a 410 ci....great motor especially if you go with the Edelbrock aluminum heads & cam.
I even but a 428 CJ crank in a 427 S.O., to increase the stroke, with Chevy 454 pistons and got a 10:1 compression ratio. The motor is a bit much in the '68 Fastback.....lights up the tires @ 65 mph!
kauaikit 2 years ago
lol .....stroke has more to do then bore ....they been making small block 351w based 427 strokers for years
svtmotorman 2 years ago
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sixtiesforever1966 1 year ago
@sixtiesforever1966
In 1968 Ford made it have 500 from the factory lol
blindskater200 11 months ago