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bertelsen1984 6 months ago

Do you want to hear a really dirty, dirty secret about Labour? They need a base of votes. They have to identify with the 'poor' to secure a loyal voting base by making them SEEM like they are out for them and that the tories are toffs out for the rich, and their little benefits system giving out money for nothing 'shows' that they are 'out for the poor'. I put this to you. By encouraging the benefits culture, they are KEEPING people poor. People on benefits end up getting money for nothing...

GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago

....and who doesn't like FREE MONEY?? What would force one to change the habit of a lifetime by going out and having to actually EARN your money, when you get it on a plate? And eventually this benefits system becomes part of the culture, and the laziness is passed down generations. "My mum didn't work, so I'm going to sit on the DOLE too". Also, seeing as benefits don't earn you anywhere near as much as an actual job, you are NOT becoming wealthier or better off.

GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago

Don't get me wrong, it's a nice little income to get for doing NOTHING, but the prospect of working to get more money isn't going to make you jump out of your armchair. Labour know this. They know their benefit system is actually KEEPING people poor. So all the better for them when election day comes round and people say "well, Labour have given us money for nothing, so I'm voting for them instead of those toffs!"

GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago

You're voting to keep these fat cats in their cushty chairs whilst the poor STAY poor! So yeah, in a sense, Labour is the party of the poor. But they're actually MAKING it that way!

Because let's remember, without 'the poor', labour have no votes base! As soon as the poor become rich, they vote for a progressive party, not a party who's policies are keeping them stuck in a rut just to gain significant amounts of votes to keep smarmy bufoons like Harriet Harman on massive salaries

GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago

Brown is a boring ,stuttering ,funny looking bloke with very little charisma ,I trust him infinitly more than cameron though.

MrMorgansgoat 1 year ago

Way i see it is that all you re mortageing triple credit card busting hypocrites are more responsible for this mess.And now your running to the Tories to try and somehow relieve you from any blame. And after the next 10 years of Tories shitting on you, you'll yet again be crying out for a Socialist government to shovel you up again.

THESTAFFIECHANNEL 2 years ago

there has never been a socialist government in the UK

mcconvillee 2 years ago

Harold Wilson

THESTAFFIECHANNEL 1 year ago

The post war Atlee government was very near socialist, it was the best way to rebuild the country.

Findiglay 1 year ago

@mcconvillee if you judge socialism as the USSR then no, but modern socialism in britain would only require a shift to a single currency and PR

Oneandoneself 1 year ago

@THESTAFFIECHANNEL there has never been and never will be a cry out for a socialist government. That's why labour did so badly in the the 80s... they were far far far too socialist.

mcconvillee 1 year ago

@mcconvillee Fucking will be , theres gonna be a huge swing to the left after a few years of a tory government.the day fox hunting returns is gonna be the first cracks.Then there will be riots in the streets not seen since the poll tax riots.

Big time its gonna kick off.

THESTAFFIECHANNEL 1 year ago

@THESTAFFIECHANNEL i'll agree that if and when fox hunting is legalised, there will be a problem. but i can't see any party swinging off to the left again. Labour learnt it's lesson last time. In 79 it lost its first election to thatcher, and flew off to the left. It then didn't get elected again until it moved a lot more towards the centre. I'm a conservative, so I wouldn't mind labour flying off back left, it'll guarentee me an election win every time lol

mcconvillee 1 year ago

@mcconvillee .Look only way Tories win is by fooling the working class that you care for them...You dont .You are the people that we want to punch in the nose.

You are our enemies , you have the media on your side but the day will come when my kids will be stomping on the heads of your kids.

Its gonna happen.CLASS WAR!

THESTAFFIECHANNEL 1 year ago

@mcconvillee Im working class and proud...And the day will come when my kids will be stomping on the heads of your kids...UP THE WORKING CLASS!

THESTAFFIECHANNEL 1 year ago

I think a congratulations are in order... you have taken a conversation about whether or not the labour party will swing back to the left, and turned it into a statement about the class war... Which, I feel I should tell you, has been over for decades. The middle and upper lass stopped fighting the class war decades ago.

mcconvillee 1 year ago

@THESTAFFIECHANNEL Also, you have just stereotyped me very wrongly. You have seen that I am a conservative, and just assumed that I am middle class!

I was brought up in a three bed semi in manchester, and have never been a supporter of the labour party... Although I will admit that I wouldn't call my self working class now, but my upbringing was.

And another thought... are you not teaching your children that they cannot do better than you did by teaching them that the class war is still alive??

mcconvillee 1 year ago