Christains! Muslims! Proof Of Muhammad (pbuh) In The Bible!!

[chikzaz4]

I could understand the reasoning for this video but it is for the simple minded. Muslims go back to the bible for knowledge and knowledge is good. Mohammed (pbuh) was mentioned BY NAME in the old testament- the original bible in hebrew; but like all the names in the old testament it was changed to fit the bible in english. Esa was changed to jesus, Yousef to joseph, and Mohammed (pbuh) was changed to the holly ghost. I could explain this in depth if 1 would like to hear it. so let me know. PnL

[mimmina1982]

For me this video is worthless , u must know that we have no doubt in our ISLAM , MUHAMMAD or QURAN . We r just helping people to understand the truth . Who can defend the prophet LOT except MUSLIMS from what they said about him in bible ?? ...

[othsma]

you're an idiot.

[Pablokolter]

All I know is I have been given the gift to heal others and speak in tongues in the name of my Lord and master Jesus Christ. I walk alone with Him.

[JustinMcNabbIreland]

i think we should start a new religion that involves no religion or statues and crosses but just an idea that we should all live in peace and have a laugh

[revamusicgroup]

im a muslim, theres no need to prove that Muhammad is in the bible or not, my dear friend :) what matters most is Muslim and Christians alike CAN live in harmony. Both our religion are peaceful. Even our prophet states that it is a must that Muslim ust respect the non-muslim. Peace be upon you dear friends of Islam

[fordfusion2009]

@revamusicgroup should we not invite them to the truth

[JesusWordofGod]

Jesus is GOD:

Thomas says to Jesus: "My Lord and My GOD" and Jesus answers: "You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed (John 20,28-29)Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age. (Mathew 28,19-20)

[wayman29]

Yes! Thomas fell for the same thing as some of the other nations of the world. He transgressed with Idolatry. Which is truly amazing. At lest he did doubt for awhile but in time... Virgian Birth and all. amazing. If Christ was tempted in all ways then why was he not tempted to worship a man as a God ? Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

[ali786786786]

did these people vber met jesus only paul did and his word are taken out of content the church are hiding big conspiricies ? jesus obheyd god jesus himslef said i am the servent of god ? god is better then me so how can u compare jesus to god and belive in more then one god ? u say tryujnity but the reaility jesus was on eartha nd god was heven so tahts 2 dont give us this bulls hit we know the truth

[LostLurre]

@JesusWordofGod Hello scumbag check my channel out!

ACT 2:22 Jesus was a prophet sent down by god to perform miracles.

Are you basicly stating this error is true?

I did not go offensive this time you did!

[christoferL]

This is one I missed - but I am glad to see it now.

[Jortegasjournal]

If the name muhammad is in the bible, I will convert. But since it's not, muslims will convert to cristianity. A relaionship, not a religion.

[ali786786786]

ahamed ~? meaing the most praised one ? jesus himslef said people like u have got to many question i cannot anser aall ur question but i have to go for the comfeter the most trut worthy to come and he will tecahe all u need to know  but christnsa are hiding the stry saying its the holy spirt wtf ? the holy spirt was alive when jesus was alive but jesus sed thart for me to go is import becase god will sedn u an helper but the relaity people made jesus god not once3 did jesus say i am god made up

[Antisyncretism]

U say Isaiah was misunderstood plz explain

[wayman29]

The christian theological interpretation of the text of Isaiah 53.

[Antisyncretism]

what else could it possibly be refering to..?

[Antisyncretism]

o and by that i mean how does it not refer to the messiah

[wayman29]

look it up. you have wiki.

[Antisyncretism]

ive looked at it on wiki now (i think u got the impression that i dont know about 53 but i do) u sed it isnt refering to the messiah i still dont see how it cant be

[wayman29]

What is "pesher"? How was "pesher" used in Judaism? How is "pesher" used in other belief systems including Christianity, Islam, Mormonism? How does "pesher" influence the way we read ancient literature? How do theological influence they was we read literature? When our theological views develop or change, how will that effect the reading of ancient texts?

[Antisyncretism]

i dont know what "pesher" is but sounds like u do..are u even answering the question?

[Bakkuto]

"pesher" in Arabic means when someone arrive with good news

[hurataimad]

1.

interesting, wayne, thanks alot for ur opinion, on this issue there are two camps as far as i have gathered.

lets first take a biiiiigggggg step back, in the academic world of islam, this issue have never been touched, the first few generations believed that the previous scriptures were bad to the degree that any form of the written torah was considered muhdath, which means that it would break ur purity state......this opinion was revised, but the underlining feeling about it remains.

[hurataimad]

2.

so the academic community doesn't seem to have brought this up, asfar as i have gathered that bc of evangalical endowers in india, n other colonized countries some of the scholar start researching into the field of apologetics, n one such writer touched on the topic.

now in the west throu apologetics this issue has some popularity,, n has be studied it, with more depth.

so we have some muslim in the west, who aren't or barely part of the academy in the east, doing this....

[hurataimad]

3.

where as in the east, this isn't at all touched on.

so going back to the two camps, one camp believes it undermines islam to even refer to the previous texts bc it is impossible to decifier what is true, from what is not.

the other camp, looks at it more like speculating, trying to decifer the text, dig into the past, thou the known text, thou scriptual criticism n using islam theology to help find if there is a trace of mohammed in the text.

[hurataimad]

4.

now for me, i have always inclined toward the first camp, but after watching a debate, by shabir ali verus anis sharosh, today, i can see that this is a good field of study, taken that we don't forget that at the end of the day it is mere speculation n not a proof of faith, i'm all for finding the truth, n speculating with pure ration, using scientific critiria.

as u say, "if everybody is thinking the same, then no body is thinking". right?

[wayman29]

Your exactly right. However there is a 4th camp that you may have forgot. In this camp the scholars have read large amounts of literature and anthropology from the Arabs and their neighbors, including Judaism and Christianity. Both canonized texts and non canonized texts. These have noticed common themes and motifs with in the literature and have not said anything. Those who seek shall find and when you find you will know and when you know you won't tell."

[wayman29]

I guess the bottom line is we need to ask the reason why we are doing the research any ways. If you stray to far to one side or the other the view from that side to the other is distorted. Which is why the very in dept study of Qur'an, Torah, and Gospels maybe hindered by the theological views and beliefs of Qur'an, Torah, and Gospels. I am a part of neither and when I see similarities and difference...

[wayman29]

I research them no matter the outcome. Only the non religious can ask tough religious questions of faith without appearing to be a "non-believer".

[imadhurata]

wayne, if ur honest with urself, u will admit that even u have bias, we all have a bias, that is not the issue, its whether our bias make us dishonest, decietful, unobjective.

sometimes i look to someone in a similar position to urs n i see someone decietful, then i look to a christian theologian n see the honesty in him.

[wayman29]

I think that not allowing one to even look is in a way is dishonest, deceitful, unobjective.

[imadhurata]

as for comparitive theological studies, yes, its important to study theological developments, try and trace the theological roots, but its important to be scientific also, not to throw in fanciful assumptions.

from there u can look at similarities of past dogmas, theologies n modern theologies, make comparisons, that is an interesting field of study.

i find that islamic n essene theologies identical, whereas modern day judaism n islam, eventhou monthestic are theologically poles apart.

[imadhurata]

i mentioned two camps, not three. i wanted to illustrate, that these two camps were outside the realm of the islam islamic academy.

that this stuff is a generic result of western academic islam, maybe it did a piss poor job of showing this, but i did try.

[wayman29]

"but its important to be scientific also, not to throw in fanciful assumptions." I don't believe that I was throwing in fanciful assumptions. I have read a lot of literature and while reading the Quran came across like themes that I tend to explore. Most have not even read the literature, biblical literature and make assumptions about each others theology. I'm driving down the road and describing the scenery. I don't mind the generic Western study. The East is just as guilty for not doing it.

[wayman29]

"A one sentence definition of mythology? "Mythology" is what we call someone else's religion" -Joseph Campbell

[wayman29]

I'm not saying I know everythign on the topic and I have seen many retaliate against the literature and throw it all out as useless fables. I do not believe that I believe that it impacts people in profound ways and that even studying it everyday for a hundred years one will still not know everything there it to know about it. Just let me look. Unto you your God and unto me Mine.

[imadhurata]

wayne, in no way was i attacking u, i know hardly anything about u, i think this dialogue has gone into wierd areas.

i have tried to explain some of my experience, with regards to institutional studies, i know there is a massive gap between the two worlds in terms of islamic studies. i know that the west throws their academics eastward bound in the hope of that they may gather some knowledge.

problem is they haven't sistered institutes.

[imadhurata]

1.

well, firstly wayne i apologize if u thought in some way i was speaking about u personally, i wasn't, i made general statements, only.

in the US, u guys have a term academy, to describe those institutes n ppl involve in further learning n research, in the same sense i am refering to the east environment.

with no disrespect intended, i don't see u as a player inside the western academy, so if i allude to something about it,ur not intented.

[wayman29]

sure I don't know to much about the east. I apologize that I took your comments the wrong way. Thanks for contributing and commenting.

Ali Shariati- big time sociologist of religion and fought against the ideas of Marxism. Wrote the awesome text "Mission of a Free Thinker."

[imadhurata]

sorry mate, i shouldn't have jived u like that, saying u couldn't name a single islamic scholar recongized in the scholarly community of the muslim world.

i'm sure u could.

u seem worldly read n stuff.

[imadhurata]

as for ur jive at the scholarly community in the east, which u know nothing about, i doubt u even know a single present day figure, from the eastern academy, all i can say is interest, either from the general public, or external source pushes the research, if that push is not there then there will not be any research, thats the nature of being generic, so the EAST is not guilt of anything.

[waltherchemnitz]

Christians didn't "validate", Jesus is the one who says the law and the prophets are about him. He even points to a text from Isaiah and says it's about him.

[wayman29]

Yes I would expect nothing less then the followers of Christ attributing such sayings to their teacher. If they did not think in such a way that would not make them very good Christians would it.

[IslamzSuperior]

r u a muslim 2 allow rself to advise us?

btw, we only imitate the prophet (saaws) and the guided follwers, we don't imitate chrisitians, we make "da'wa".

[wayman29]

btw, what you ment to say was "we only strive to imitate the prophet (saaws) and the guided followers, we don't strive to imitate Christians, but sometimes we do and don't realize it." I not Muslim and I am not advising. Just giving an opinion.

[al147316]

For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect

Matt 24:24 (NKJV)

[wayman29]

Deu 30:11-14- For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

[wayman29]

Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

[firstcor1313]

Hmm, maybe more appropriate titles for this video would be:

2 Gods, 1 cup of righteousness

or

2 books, 1 cup of truth

[XSC3]

Now, if we can get all the Muslims to convert to Bahai, the next messenge and messenger, things will be peachy keen! ;P

(Note I'm not Bahai, I'm just saying that's what they believe)

[ThirdProverb]

pbuh - but isnt the Bible corrupted according to Muslims? Things that make you go Hmmmm.

As far as Isaiah 6 & 9 - can we not see a prophecy of Christ.virgin birth, unto us a child,Mighty God,Prince of Peace etc.Would like to hear further about this from you. Or maybe at the party. : )

[XSC3]

I don't get how Muslims think that God sent all these thousands of prophets and true messages, and allowed them all to be corrupted and forgotten, when all along God had this "uncorruptable" Quran that was impossible to forget or lose. Why not give that one first? And why rescue Jesus only to let his movement be an instant failure? Why not send him back down for a second try the next day?

[truantiremain]

Third, i don't think so. if you read those passages in context, i don't think they were talking about Christ at all, but about someone in their own time. When the Nt quotes the Old, is is usually doing what Wayman mentioned, it was how the Lit. was used, and Talmudic texts sometimes do the same..'types'. I don't think they were being corrupt, it was just how texts were handled at the time, part of the banter, we often don't understand this today.

[truantiremain]

in thier world view, they had the Hebrew Scriptures, and they had thier experiance of Christ, so they saw him in the text, it was like continuing a story, and saying that Jesus is nothing new, he is what we had all alonge, it was a way of makeing the text relevant, and also prophecy historicised-ie, there is not saying that the messiah will rise, but we have this idea in the Ot of redemption of the Just-so of course they saw Jesus in it. Sorry..I talk far too much.

[wayman29]

The name of this writing style is called "pesher" There are two types-"Continuous pesharim" take a book of the Hebrew Bible, often from the prophets, such as those of Habakkuk, Nahum, or from the Psalms, quote it phrase by phrase, and after each quotation insert an interpretation. The second type, the "thematic pesharim" use the same method, but here the author (or pesherist) brings together passages from different biblical texts to develop a theme. -See rest of this on Wiki-

[wayman29]

Daniel used Jeremiah this way, And NT uses Jeremiah and Isaiah this way. Revelation uses Daniel this way. Essences used Habakkuk this way.

[Atheist001]

I'm guessing you're converting to Islam?

[wayman29]

Nope. Just pointing out trends I see between groups and how they interact.

[Atheist001]

Oh... I see. Putt'n the prize 'n' playin' the spectator.

[CajunPunk]

So why the 'pbuh' thing?

[wayman29]

It stands for Peace Be upon him. It is done to show respect towards the prophet. If I was doing a video directed at Judaism I may in the text use G_D. It being polite to both the belief system and the literature. If you may believe it or not. ;0)

[HumbleYankee]

Possibly to show respect towards Muslims. You don't know how someone lives or what they believe until you start speaking like them, too. Wayman is trying to understand the trends between groups, so in order to fully experience that he MUST say "pbuh."

[HumbleYankee]

Whoops, wayman beat me to it! I din't even see your explanantion until I returned.

[CajunPunk]

I understand, and I thought that was why he did it. But to be technical, Muslims put 'pbuh' after 'Jesus,' which is also what made me question. Wayman used 'Christ,' so it may not apply.

No biggie. Just curious. :)

[HumbleYankee]

Ok ^_^

[Atheist001]

pbuh means "peace be upon him"

[CajunPunk]

lol - I know.

[LouderThanTheDevil]

Lol, I was about to ask what pbuh means... :D

It sounds like a teddy bear name... Lol.