Maybe im being too objective, but the fact of the matter is that Ulster Scots is at best a dialect not a language. But in the interests of being objective, with a six pack of tennents and a Rab c Nesbitt dvd i could be completely immersed in Ulster Scots 'language' and 'culture'
@pintchofsalt Ulster Scots is a local dialectic of Lowland Scots which is in itself a descendent of Northumbrian Old English part of the Germanic Language variety. Before the Acts of Union 1707 Scots was regarded as an independent sister language. What you refer to as 'english' is southern English that has become the standardised form of English. I would not refer to the language of Robert Burns - which is celebrated throughout the world - as limited in vocabulary or an idiotic derivation.
@pintchofsalt Care to address any of the factual issues? Or just going to settle for pseudo wit. Seems as if you could do with a good dose of Wikipedia.
@PierreBayle1697 Lets deal with the factual issues a different language by most peoples estimation unless they have learned to read it is one that could not simply be understood on the first encounter of a piece of text from that language and as I have no knowledge of Ulster Scots except for English I shouldnt be able to understand the following text: ''The Northern Airlan Assembly Commission is lukin applications fur the fou time poseetion o Assistant Editor'. Very difficult
Seems the British were a more magnamious people than the Federal Americans were. They fought a bloody war rather than let the Southern people go their own way.
Yes Carson did indeed lament partition as he wished the whole island had remained British. When he saw that wouldn't be the case he rallied the men and women of Ulster to the cause. He was Ulster's saviour.
Ulster has always had its own identity,royal household and heroes. Those in Ulster who do not support Ulster are against Ulster.
They are Irishmen of Eire because they had no alternative unless they moved out as many did in the 1920s. But ain't it ironic that they will accept the jurisdiction in which they live but Irish nationalists/republicans in British Ulster won't.
Any Irish nationalist/republican I have spoken to would support Scotland going its own way. Yet on the other island they insist it should be one entity/adminstration. Loyal Ulster people see themselves as being different from the rest of the island
@bickybox Because "Scotland" is a historic country like Ireland, the equavilant would be "Southern Scotland" being seperated from Scotland after voting to secede from Britain, at the behest & encouragement from Britain even with the treat of force.
This is exactly the same situation that took place in Ireland in 1919, we voted to leave Britain & London Partitioned Ireland against the wishes of both nationalist & unionist peoples, even Carson despised & lamented partition.
Irish people work together best, in truth we are an Island of many different peoples, Ulster Scots are just as Irish as the native Gael, the Orangemen march freely in Ballyshannon & Cavan every year, no issues & no problems.
Isnt that Ironic!!! NO HASSLE.....
Those men have no problem with their identity, they are Irishmen with British origins.
The demographic is changing still what are we to do? divide our homes, farms & villages? again all options are on the table.
Contin..This may seem bizzare to you but the Orange Order is in essence a disticntly Irish organisation, most here in the Republic would have no problem with them marching, we will always have the drunken twits who say otherwise but this is the reality.
Remember even Carson lamented partition!, its is better to be one than all divided, Everything will be on the table to facilitate re-unification, we all have a shared heritage, I lost my 3 great grand uncles in the Somme.
Yes Andulsi you are right. In those days might was right and victory went to the stronger. Charlmagne was the pope's warlord. The Celts rampaged through Europe until seen off by those other land-grabbers the Romans. Will America be given back to the native Americans? We could go on and on about injustices on all sides. Lets not forget that St Patrick was taken from his own people by the Irish and held in bondage and slavery by them.
go back to the Iberian peninsula then, because the Irish are not native to Ireland. it's called migration bitch, it's why the Irish are all over the world and not just in Ireland. by your admission shouldn't all the Irish round the world return to Ireland then?
Ulster got its name from the Uladh tribe who were based in what is now Counties Antrim and Down. They spread from there to cover an area of roughly 12 present day counties. Ulster's area has varied over the different years. But yes the province is 9 counties,but Ulster itself has varied.
The Native Gaelic Irish & the those who came here in the 17th century, two different cultures & traditions but nonetheless native to the entire province & island of Ireland.
@scotinulster.I have no problem with the free movement of people. If your ancestors were Scots or even English, that' s fine. My problem has always been the treatment of the indigenous people of this island by our nearest neighbour. And by the people they settled here, having first evicted the original owners of the land. It was an injustice.
@Andulsi Yes there have been many injustices in the history of Britain & Ireland and not all from one side. Let's also remember that the Irish were invading, raiding & carving out kingdoms in parts of Britain long before the Normans conquered Ireland. In the bigger picture many things that happened in Ireland were related to a larger conflict & power struggles that were happening throughout Europe at the time.
@scotinulster. Instead of a Protestant state in the North that (up to the recent past) treated its Catholic community as second class citizens, and practically a theocracy in the South (luckily this is challeged, when the leader of the Catholic Party-Fine Gael- speaks out against the church you know its power is ending).
@scotinulster. I can undestand the fear of Rome rule. I' m not fond of the Church. Not fond of religon generally to be honest. It seems to me though that if the ideals of the United Irishmen had won through we would have a secular inclusive republic on the whole island.-
@Andulsi I think you may be right. The Rebellion of 1798 may have been a unique time in Ireland were a victory could have lead to a lasting peace and the unifying of the people. Of course we will never know. Political ideals that spark a revolution don't always become realities in the new era.
This "Ulster Scots" nonsense was fabricated many years later. I don't think the "Ulster Scots" from Ireland like Andrew Jackson considered themselves anything but Americans of Irish descent. They were mostly driven out Ireland by British policy. And Jackson hated the Brits intensely.
@TrueNovice It was not! Ulster protestants have always preserved a Scots culture & heritage but it wasn't until the Good Friday Agreement that any funding was used to promote it officially. Of course Jackson would have called himself Irish (everyone did up until Partition) but he would have had a different culture from the native Irish. Back then most Ulster-Scots opposed the English. It wasn't until the end of the Penal Laws & The Act of Union that saw the Ulster-Scots reconciled with Britian.
@RedShirtArmy. I think the idea of the Majority wanting to remain in the UK is a very sore point. Especially in view of the phenomenon of Gerrymandering. Use of the term Democracy up there is laughable.
@Andulsi: What century are you in my friend? In case you haven't noticed there was the Belfast Agreement back in '98. Gerrymandering is long gone. And if you want to laugh at democracy in NI it's probably because there's an ex terrorist IRA leader as joint leader of the country.
One of the other big Scots plantation was during James I reign. He couldn t contri=ol the Border Reavers (outlaw families on the borders of England and Scotland, so he pardonned them and sent them to Ulster. He used one group he couldn' t control (The Reavers) against another (The Gaelic Lords of Ulster). Clever strategy, but we re still feeling the repercussions today. Why they' d be loyal to the Crown is a mystery, They were dispossessed of their own lands too and sent into a hostile country.
I don' t understand Ulster Scots. The majority of them were driven out of Scotland after the Highland Clearances. They converted to Presbyterianism at the time because it was the only Church that helped them. They arrived in Ulster as refugees and were in the main Gaelic speakers (Scottish historian told me that). Why on earth are they loyalists?
@Andulsi You are half correct... SOME of the Ulster-Scots were Highlanders dispossessed after the clearances, others were Border Reivers banished to Ulster by King James... but the large majority were ordinary Lowland Scots who went on their own accord seeking a better life than they had in an over-populated Scotland. Around 10-15% of Ulster-Scots spoke Gaelic but overwhelmingly they spoke Scots. The main reason they wanted to keep ties with Britain was that they feared rule by Rome in Ireland.
@IrishItalian10 Oh, Irish-Italians exist but Ulster-Scots do not? If you are referring to nine county Ulster, nationalists actually do not have a clear majority. Population is around 2m with Unionists & Nationalists around 1 million each. Besides, nine county Ulster is of little relevance, it's the people of Northern Ireland that will decide it's own future and at the moment only around 15% want unification with the RoI.
Good post padraic. Though I would say that when one gets down to the nitty-gritty the nationalist case (which you touch on) is largely based on a name and salt water. Only guessing, but I would say the nationalist people of Ireland would welcome the break-up of mainland Britain ie Scotland becoming independent and going its own way. Yet on their own island the opposite seems to be the case. Nevertheless your comments are truthful and sincere.
@Taiginator What's up old chap, long time no hear, whats the weather like in Indiana, are you still on that racist SKADI forum,what name do you use now? do you still use the name Æmeric?
@saoirse2011 LOL! Sure, live in your Republican fantasy world. Tell me this, after almost 100 years of RA terrorism, why is it that the North is still British?
@LordWellington15 LOL what an uneducated buffoon you are.I see history is not your strong point, can I suggest a visit to the library or enrollment in further education, you really are an embarrassment to the majority of British folk who are fair minded,decent,hard working,non sectarian individuals.If you can't shut up maybe you should consider slithering back to the council hovel that spawned you.
@saoirse2011 You wrote a large paragraph and yet you said nothing. You only called me uneducated, yet you have nothing to come back at me with what I had previously stated. Once again, I will ask: after almost 100 years of RA terrorism, why is it that the North is still British?
@LordWellington15 I have standards,I don't usually engage with cretins who do not have even the most basic knowledge of history but for you I make an exception,45% of people in NI consider themselves Irish,Sinn fein are part of the goverment,ulster scots are leaving in droves,its only a matter of time when the it will be Irish.You're ignorance of history is also revealed in your assertion that there was near 100 years of IRA activity.
Taiganator has issues,an underachiever with low self esteem.He is most likely white(pinkish)middle aged,recently divorced,possibly a misgynist,bi curious,and lonely.He has a fragile grasp on reality and has no comprehension of history or economics,His hatred of catholics eats at him like a cancer,he is to be pitied and those of you who are religous should pray for him
@RichardElden the UVF LOL the fucking Kaisers army,armed by the Kaiser and funded by german sympathisers,they were willing in 1913/14 to kill British Tommies to defend their bigoted ways, they lost on the 1st July,(couldnt achieve their objectives)at least the 16th Irish catholic division won at Ginchy and Guillemont at the somme in Sept 1916.
@saoirse2011 At least we commemorate our war dead - the Irish only use their war dead in an argument ,but quite happily class them as traitors any other time it suits them.For your info. - The 36th Ulster Division fulfilled their orders and more.They took the Scwaben Redoubt and beyond ,but could not hold,as the forces on either side failed to support them.The 36th Ulsters fought as hard as the 16th Irish -It's a disgrace to the memory of both to use them in this way,Shameful, Ignorant.and Sad !
@strongarmofthepaw I agree that it was"Shameful, Ignorant.and Sad" that loyalists have used the 36th as a political stick to beat Irish nationalism.Plenty of people in the south remember and commemorate the 16th and the family members that served,we just don't use it as an excuse to display tribal royalties.By the way everything I said was accurate but sometimes people dont like the truth.
@saoirse2011 The UVF was formed to protect the Protestant people from Irish Republicanism and Catholicism,due to the hearing of the Home Rule Bill.Plenty of people in the South remember....,must be in three figures by now! Tribal loyalties - We are a race,who pay respect to our dead and their sacrifices in WWI /WWI.That's not an excuse - IT'S ETERNAL GRATITUDE, and Republicans hate us for it.You are blinded by Irish Republicanism Your truth is only what you perceive to be true in your mind!
@strongarmofthepaw Lets be honest ,the UVF was formed to prevent Home rule only, which equated roughly to Dominion status for Ireland (similar to Canada and Australia).But once again Unionist paranoia and bigotry reared its ugly head and decided to threaten the British and Irish Home Rulers with war.Unionism has alot to answer for,once again their intransigence and obstinancy destroyed what could have a been a peaceful united Ireland within the the then British Empire.
@saoirse2011 Everything you state is from an Nationalist point of view.Therein, lies the trouble.The HR Bill was a diktat - nothing more! Ireland was ready to Force the Bill through, despite Unionist opposition, and they would have slaughtered anyone who stood in their way.Now that's Bigotry! A peaceful UI within the B. Empire- Get Real! Republicanism would never allow it.Look what happened to Michael Collins! I do however support a Federal N.I. (terms) within UI ,for an everlasting peace.
@strongarmofthepaw " I do however support a Federal N.I. (terms) within UI ,for an everlasting peace."
I would agree with you on the Federal NI , a very logical solution.With regards to your other assertions I cant agree,unionism just said no, no discussion,nothing.I would credit the british with the ability to protect the Unionists within a UI framework if unionists engaged,but they did not,also remember unionist opposition to HR was the greatest contribution to republicanism anyone made.
@strongarmofthepaw,I could criticse your position because of your backround,but I wont even though you call a nationalist viewpoint bigoted. As regards a UI within the Empire,we will never know if it could have succeeded,unionism saw to that.Unionism is not blameless in the whole debacle, but they like to think they are.Like I said,just stubborn.
@saoirse2011 I have nothing against Nationalism;there's nothing wrong with seeing one's country unified - but to be prepared to force it upon a race within a race without agreement IS bigotted.Unionist's do have to accept a portion of the blame,as does Redmond. Unionism has moved on slowly - DUP/ Sinn Fein Gov't. is actually working, If they ever reach agreement about NI within UI,would the Irish Gov't declare war on Republicanism if they opposed it?Fight their own to protect Unionists?Hmm!!!!
@strongarmofthepaw I won't mention the worst excesses of Unionist admistrations when it comes to bigotry, as we need to move on. We could also nitpick at each others position all night but it would serve no pupose as I do not think we are that far apart, but we would have minor disagreements as to how we got there.I respect your position and opinions and wish you the best for the future.
@RichardElden Umm, that money the UK was not out of the kindness of the UK's heart. It was the simple fact that if Ireland goes down the UK comes along with it. Why? We're one of your major trading partners. :/
@RichardElden Says who? We haven't ever been part of the Republic of Ireland. There is no way of knowing. Sure the ROI is in debt at the minute, (like everywhere else, the UK is slashing and cutting everything nowadays) in a few decades the ROI will be back on track.
After WW1, Germany was debt ridden; worse off than Ireland today, plus Germany had to pay reparations to the Allies, yet within a a decade or so it became the wealthiest, strongest country in Europe. Just sayin'.
@RichardElden No, it hasn't. Death threats? Baha, if you're truely from NI you know that no one gives a shit about those. We're probably the only people on earth that don't run when someone shouts "bomb!"
@Taiginator You have no valid points,you are so blinded by hatred that you cannot formulate a logical or cohesive argument. You just do not possess the necessary skills to articulate your point of view,all you do is spew bile and make incomprehensible statements with no regard to accuracy or source.I know you told me you engaged in further education,but you should try to enroll in higher diploma or degree courses, spend a bit of money and dont let your scots/ulster heritage inhibit you.;)
Taiginator has issues,an underachiever with low self esteem.He is most likely white(pinkish)middle aged,recently divorced,possibly a misgynist,bi curious,and lonely.He has a fragile grasp on reality and has no comprehension of history or economics,His hatred of catholics eats at him like a cancer,he is to be pitied and those of you who are religous should pray for him.
@Taiginator Anyway, NI isn’t doing great either, it never has, it’s GDP per capita is like fucking Africa compared to the Republics. The majority of Catholics will always support a United Ireland, deal with it. I would never back a country which killed my people. Anyway, the majority of mainland British would gladly give NI to the republic of Ireland. It's an expensive mess. Many English barely understand the situation in NI and support a United Ireland
@Taiginator All countries are suffering from the recession, in the UK there is cuts left, right and centre. The UK is suffering but due to its large economy which it has because of its large population, it is just about getting by.Dont use debts to accuse a country of being shit.All countries get into debt and get back out.Take Germany after WW1, it had a massive amount of debt AND had pay billions in reparations, then in around 10yrs it became the richest and most advanced country in the world.
@Taiginator The ROI has not attacked my people for 400 years, what are you on about? The British on the other hand have been trying to control Ireland for well over 800 years. The British treated the Irish people with no respect, killed innocents and yes, caused the famine. Which killed one million Irish and forced another million to flee. I would never side with such a people with a history of such torture, cruelty and sectarianism. The British empire is was no better than the German Reich.
@Taiginator And Catholics aren't attacked in Northern Ireland? Since the creation of NI Catholics have been treated as second class citizens. If there was a United Ireland Catholics wouldnt attack Protestants because they have achieved their goal. Your point is invalid. The Republic of Ireland is not useless or underachieving. Due to the recent global climate, unfortunately has got into debt, as most countries. Before the recession, it was doing better than the UK.
Omg the whole thing is so stupid and pathetic. Everyone in the British isles is British, same as everyone in Europe is European. Just because some sad bigot doesnt like it doesnt mean its not true.
beacuse I AM of Ulster Scot heritage -- I've joined the Ulster Scot Yahoo group --
God bless and keep them safe -- and my they have their wishes fulfilled -- I'm still learning about them and their country -- so I'm going to stop here before I open mouth and insert my foot -- I'm researching and learning :)
please my friend as a fellow ulster scot, don't get sucked into the shite that we already have over here in order to secceed from the "United Kingdom" we need to move forward not dwell in the past hating each other over the same shite!!! the Scots got over it and they have a much more diverse ethnic backround!
in the words of the great irish patriot thomas davis (who was protestant) ACCEPT YOU ARE PART OF THE IRISH NATION AND YOU WILL BE ACCEPTED AS PART OF THE IRISH NATION
There are more Irish in Ulster than Ulster Scots...
Anyway, Ulster Scots are descendants of Scottish who in turn descendants of the Irish.
I live in Ulster (in Northern Ireland part) and I consider myself Irish. I have an Irish passport and citizenship. I am loyal to Ireland not Britain.
The Ulster Scots people can stay, but the British control needs to go. They think they will be attacked in a United Ireland. They will not. They need to be reminded that a third of the Irish flag is for them
CrackaPackify. Point taken and that may be so with the majority of the people in Eire. Its a debatable point. However,for about 80 years Eire had written into its Constution a claim that N.I. belonged to them. There was no such claim made over the territory of Eire,or indeed the three 'lost counties' of Ulster by N.I. We accepted the right of the people and the choice they made. That claim (now removed) gave creditability to the IRA and their murder campaign for many years.
The people of B.U. have the right to chose their own destiny as had the people of Eire when they opted out of the UK. We recognised their right to do so unfortunately this was not reciprocated by Eire who sought to deny us the very thing they claimed for themselves....CHOICE.And so they then launched a campaign of murder against a young fledgling country. Its ironic that the Irish who resisted being made 'Little Englanders' now play the English role by insisting that we are' Little Irelanders'
@Congal Don't associate the IRA or its many subsidiaries with the average person in the South.
Under the Good Friday Agreement the North is entitled to choose for itself what it wants to happen. Then, and only then, will any move be made by the South if they elect for a United Ireland.
Unlike the tards who post NO SURRENDER or BRITS OUT the vast majority of people in the South are rather ambivalent to what the North does. We have bigger problems these days.
I'm southern Irish, of Catholic stock, and unlike most people of my ilk who post comments here, I fully respect the Ulster-Scots identity. I believe Northern Ireland's Protestant community have as much a right to be on this island as everyone else, and their British identity should not be seen as a mark of shame. However, I would still love to see a united Ireland some day, one that respects and cherishes each tradition on the island equally. Sadly I don't think that will happen in my lifetime.
I am educated and i do not advocate murder. i am catholic and a US Navy veteran.
all the crap about ulster irish just means that the northern 6 counties are not only traitors to Ireland, but are were traitors in my home land.........enemies of the union. and maybe you ulster scots should remember what what cumberland did to your people!
if you dont like it.......go home with your tail between your legs...........brave irishmen fought to save the union and became AMERICAN
@padraic2001eire you said a Ireland that respects each tradition equally. Being a resident of Northern Ireland, and an Irishman, I love my country and am proud to be Irish. However, so long as I am treated equally here, I do have a problem with the political boarder. As far as I am concerned it makes me no less Irish. In fact, building on your point, I would refuse to be a part of the republic, unless an entirely new state was formed, on the principles of real equality, parity of esteemm
@padraic2001eire Interesting comment, beats the usual bigotry on this website from all sides! I'm an Englishman and a Unionist,I think that in the future a good compromise, considering the growing Gaelic Catholic population in the North,might be a 32 county Ireland with a Parliament in Dublin,but constitutionally within the British Commonwealth. In name, head of State would be the British Monarch, which may be difficult to sell to the Gaelic Irish, but would offer Ulster-Scots some reassurance.
@padraic2001eire Your "ilk" here? how dare you, I am an Ulster Gael & live in the Republic, I consider myself 100% Irish & without any infringement on my national identity, an Ulsterman also.
If you wish too compare the demographic for the entire "province" of Ulster and see what the stats are, also there were just over 10,000 votes between Sinn Fein & the dup in the 6 counties.
"It" will happen in your lifetime, with or without your support.
@gespb32 I meant the kind who post vehemently anti-British comments on youtube videos, and judging by the tone of your comment, you probably fit into that demographic.
As "I" said, I am an "actual" Ulsterman, again I'll explain, "I" am an "Ulsterman", now you twit, explain, also bear in mind we are the majority of "Ulster", the "actual" province.
@gespb32 and IF it does what about the liberties and freedom of the Protestants & Orange Order in Ulster? Over history they have faced religious persecution from Catholics (e.g Portadown massacre) even though many were NATIVE IRISH WHO CONVERTED TO PROTESTANTISM, not familes from plantation, and what will stop such intolerance in the future? This is why the Ulster Covenant was signed in the first place, as a declaration of independence from the Irish Free State and to preserve religious freedom
@CyberfoxAndy We all must be honest with oursleves & each other, both our peoples suffered tit for tat massacre & oppresion, as far I am concerned I consider the Scots Irish to be a "fifth province" of Ireland, you are as much "Irish" as what I am, indeed even militant Irish Republicanism was founded by Irish protestants, not Catholics, it is your heritage.
I think now that we all are older & more wiser we see what both "religions" have done, for better & worse.
@gespb32 I just cant see how handing Britain Ulster over to the Republic of Ireland would work. It wouldn't solve any of the problems, it would only make matters worse as instead of struggling to retain identity, etc., in the current state of affaris the Unionists will effectively start a rebellion against the Republic for what they will regard as a fight freedom and separation from the rest of Ireland.
@CyberfoxAndy I think all of us are fed up of the sectarian cr*p, it does not even belong on the terraces anymore, I believe back in 22 there was genuine fears for Ulster Scot people, all was unfounded in the free state, there was no mass genocide of protestant people, our first president was protestant.
The reason Britain is still in Ireland is because of a majority vote alone, a new Ireland, new flag constitution, capital, anthem etc, something like America is what is needed.
People born in the irish province of ulster on the island of ireland are irish. Ulster isnt a country or a separate entity its an irish province with a nationalist majority.
@Ducksexbody I guess you would like to impose this sort of regime upon the people of Ulster, but the majority there would resist you. If you claim the right to use violence to force a particular government upon others then you certainly do not believe in liberty.
@RedShirtArmy How is what i said a ''regime' retard? Also theres no need to impose anything on people from Ulster as the majority are nationalists hence why only 6 of its 9 counties is under British rule with the other 3 run from dublin.
The 6 counties of the illegal Northern Ireland state isnt Ulster.
@Ducksexbody You want to force a government that is unwanted upon the people. That's the reason I used the word "regime." The majority of the people of NI don't want to become part of the Irish state. Perhaps a confederal union between the two could be worked out in the future - I don't know. But the only way the people of NI are going to become part of the Irish state as it is now is if they are forced to do so. Thus, my use of the word "regime."
@Ducksexbody Actually if you take the population of the historic 9 counties of Ulster there are around 2 million people and that equates to about 1 million protestants & 1 million catholics. Oh and which law, country or government states that Northern Ireland is an 'illegal' entity? None that i am aware off, and the Republic of Ireland certainly doesn't regard as an illegal occupation. Northern Ireland seceded from the rest of Ireland two days after the Government Of Ireland act of 1920.
@newsatone Ulster consists of 9 counties. The northern Irish State consists of 6 of those which means it's not Ulster but 6 counties of Ulster. The other 3 are run by the republic. Now go bow to an old English woman. 5-0.
@RedShirtArmy The British Imposed Partition on the Irish people by force, they created a FALSE Gerrymandered state!! Not only did they divide Ireland they divided this Beloved Ulster that protestants so much admire, its total hypocrisy mate!!!!
As an Ulster-Scot and PROUD Irishman I find some of the views in this video nonsensical. By its logic the one million or so Irish in Scotland could claim they are separate from the defined, natural Scottish nation. Thankfully they don't because they have been prepared to accept the dominant culture of their host nation.
I wish some of my fellow Ulster-Scots would stop embarrassing us by promoting division with what is now our home. 400 years and STILL refusing to assimilate? Sad and wrong.
@thedoc241000 Great post and the same question many Southern Irish wonder about the Ulster Protestants. Promoting division is what causes the bitterness.
Interesting to see now that I am moving to Belfast from Kildare. I think I can understand 90% of Ulster-Scots, so is it not a very strong accent/dialect as opossed to a language?
Ulster Scots, ha... they have no power, The UK don't want them and will happily give the north of Ireland to the Irish when we get majority rule in our new devolved government. By 2030 you will be living under Irish rule. Please go over to your Pakistani run UK at before this time if you love it so much. Either that or live and obey our constitution. Ulster Scots are nothing but power hungry murderers. Remember Ulster is just one of our four provinces.
Yes, thats right, forget ulster-english, we were planted too! and people with names like Wilson,morrison,lewis,gibson,hogdeson ,robinson, robertson,adams,jackson and johnson are of english ethnicity.
@Shropshireladdie Give credit where credit is due. Jackson was an amazing man. His ancestry, whether English or Scottish, is part of the Northern Ireland immigration that built America.
Stonewall Jackson's great grandfather, John Jackson, was born a Protestant in Coleraine, County Londonderry. Military historians consider Jackson to be one of the most gifted tactical commanders in United States history. His Civil War campaigns are studied worldwide even today as examples of innovative and bold leadership.
@IrishlyMad Only if you make the claim that Ulster-Scots and Ulstermen in general are "Irish" because they live on the island of Ireland. If you use geography to describe people then fine. However, I used culture and nationality to describe the people. There is one island but two nations of people - two distinct cultures.
@RedShirtArmy Fuck me dont tell me that.... that means there over 20 million americans that are really irish....... fet me a gun..... only Real irish people we have who are proud to be irish are yanks and me
@breda83 Van Morrison's family roots descend from the Ulster Scots population that settled in Belfast. there migrated from scotland to ulster then settle in belfast you fuckin numpty, i suppose you think john jameson of "jamesons irish whiskey" is irish too right? wrong he and his parents were born in scotland asshole, now fuck off
@breda83 you must be one of them yanks that had irish ancestors 300 years removed from ireland but you think your irish. let me guess, irish tattoo? irish flag at your house?? you know nothing of irish or scottish culture or celtic culture for that matter. go back and eat some fast food you fat lazy yank
@RedShirtArmy I actually work in a museum that is in Ulster - not the Ulster Museum! lol! I worded that badly - sorry! It's still cool and alot of fun though! :) We do community outreach work to promote peace through education on cultural idenities and diversities so we work with the Ulster Scots quite alot, as well as with people involved with the Irish language. Its interesting and a joy to see people from different backgrounds embracing and understanding each other cultures. :)
For a long time I didn't realize the enormous contribution of Ulster-Scots to American history. It explains a LOT of things. Those Scots are tough ass people. They fought to build this country and will keep fighting for it. I wish the best for Ulster, or Northern Ireland, or whatever they want to call it. Yeah, yeah, six counties vs. nine counties. Up the Protestants, ok?
@Brenda2OOO Oh shut-up Brenda. U do know the KKK, hillbilly, red-kneck southern USA accent etc was started by the so called Ulster-Scots? the Ulster-Scots did not contribute anything good & civlized. Only those who mixed with the English & others did. But exuclusilvely Ulster-Scots are uncivilized, immoral, backward and racist bigoted ppl. Compare KKK & Ulster? how simmilar it is, how voilent it is, how racist it is. U need to research and be open minded & not be in-denial.
@Brenda2OOO Also if the Ulster-Scots (Scotch-Irish) did contribute of goodness in USA and World then why isn't Ulster- Northern Ireland same? why isn't it progressing? why isn't it same as USA?. Fact is Ulster-Scots are weak people, whom were enslaved by the English yet they still follow them like a poodle i.e sing their anthem, fly their flags etc. Am not saying every single on is bad but asa a people compared to others they are trailer trash. U know this to be true. They jst racist/immoral!
Grobo, William Wallace and Andrew Murray (a Highlander) commanded an army of Scottish patriots from every part of the land and smashed the English at Stirling Bridge. William Wallace was an anti-Unionist hero and your lies are spit in the eye of everyone who has ever fought and died for liberty.
@Kingwes40, Just like the South, Ulster is religiously diverse. Presbyterians, Baptists and others have a large representation in the population just like in the South.
Dont listen to Pawnbroker00, he is mearly a meaningless troll who has nothing better to do on youtube. He's commented on my videos aswell, it made me lol.
@Pawnbroker00 During Williams Wallaces time he massacred his way into York and slaughterd the civillian population and executed hundreds if not near thousands of women and children. Yeah, the Welsh and Scotts arn't aggresive to their naighbours. It's because they were never wealthy enough to give it a go apart for that one time.
@grobo11 Aggressive only because they were provoked. Wallace was a wanker through and through, but he showed england that they werent playing games. You are right, the people nowadays would like to have a shot at it again if firearms were more easily acquirable
The Presidental pew in Washington Cathedral DC has the King William Coat of Arms engraved on the end.
The famous painting by Trumboll of the signing of the Declaration of Independence has the Orange Standard flag on the wall (bottom right flag).
The Ulsterscots were the first to face the Tory, first to raise Old Glory. The first place outside America that the Declaration was printed was in the Ulster Newsletter.
They were planted in Ireland as a method of control, in order to maintain a foreign presence in Ireland. Bigotry is also rife amongst the Ulster-Scots community, the VAST majority of those who undertake racist attacks in the occupied 6 counties are from Loyalist areas.
I think the scots outnumbered the English by a significant margin grobo.
Of interest though, is the fact that Clan Donald owned terriroties in pre-plantation Ulster, and the Ulster O'Neill clan had familial ties to the Hebridean McNeill clan (both linked to Niall of the 9 hostages!).
So there has been significant flow of people between ireland and scotland in both directions since the days of Dalriada, and probably long before!
Yes I suppose you are correct. However, would famous people from N.Ireland claim to be ulster-Scott? I mean Liam Nesson has some English ancestory but would he claim himself to be Ulster-Scottish?
@grobo11 no - he wouldn't, and I live 3 miles down the road from where he grew up and my friends neighbours and family are all Ulster-Scots. It quite often comes down to politics unfortunately!. There are people working hard to try and change that though!
@grobo11 No! We just want people to accept it's part of their heritage as the Irish language is the heritage of those living in areas where it was still strong until recently! These languages have been plucked out and used as a weapon for politicians and terrorists to blatter us with, now I know a lot of people involved with the languages want to reclaim them as part of our joint and yet diverse culture - not as a tool to divide us!
Maybe im being too objective, but the fact of the matter is that Ulster Scots is at best a dialect not a language. But in the interests of being objective, with a six pack of tennents and a Rab c Nesbitt dvd i could be completely immersed in Ulster Scots 'language' and 'culture'
pintchofsalt 1 week ago
Bit like the relationship between Scots gaelic and Irish gaelic then.
bickybox 2 months ago
I can speak ulster scots as can most people when they are inebriated,as it is english with a limited vocabulary and idiotic derivation and slang.
pintchofsalt 2 months ago
@pintchofsalt Ulster Scots is a local dialectic of Lowland Scots which is in itself a descendent of Northumbrian Old English part of the Germanic Language variety. Before the Acts of Union 1707 Scots was regarded as an independent sister language. What you refer to as 'english' is southern English that has become the standardised form of English. I would not refer to the language of Robert Burns - which is celebrated throughout the world - as limited in vocabulary or an idiotic derivation.
PierreBayle1697 2 weeks ago
@PierreBayle1697 congratulations on finding wikipedia and learning how to copy and paste.
pintchofsalt 2 weeks ago
@pintchofsalt Care to address any of the factual issues? Or just going to settle for pseudo wit. Seems as if you could do with a good dose of Wikipedia.
PierreBayle1697 1 week ago
@PierreBayle1697 Lets deal with the factual issues a different language by most peoples estimation unless they have learned to read it is one that could not simply be understood on the first encounter of a piece of text from that language and as I have no knowledge of Ulster Scots except for English I shouldnt be able to understand the following text: ''The Northern Airlan Assembly Commission is lukin applications fur the fou time poseetion o Assistant Editor'. Very difficult
pintchofsalt 1 week ago
Seems the British were a more magnamious people than the Federal Americans were. They fought a bloody war rather than let the Southern people go their own way.
Yes Carson did indeed lament partition as he wished the whole island had remained British. When he saw that wouldn't be the case he rallied the men and women of Ulster to the cause. He was Ulster's saviour.
Ulster has always had its own identity,royal household and heroes. Those in Ulster who do not support Ulster are against Ulster.
bickybox 2 months ago
They are Irishmen of Eire because they had no alternative unless they moved out as many did in the 1920s. But ain't it ironic that they will accept the jurisdiction in which they live but Irish nationalists/republicans in British Ulster won't.
Any Irish nationalist/republican I have spoken to would support Scotland going its own way. Yet on the other island they insist it should be one entity/adminstration. Loyal Ulster people see themselves as being different from the rest of the island
bickybox 2 months ago
@bickybox Because "Scotland" is a historic country like Ireland, the equavilant would be "Southern Scotland" being seperated from Scotland after voting to secede from Britain, at the behest & encouragement from Britain even with the treat of force.
This is exactly the same situation that took place in Ireland in 1919, we voted to leave Britain & London Partitioned Ireland against the wishes of both nationalist & unionist peoples, even Carson despised & lamented partition.
gespb32 2 months ago
Irish people work together best, in truth we are an Island of many different peoples, Ulster Scots are just as Irish as the native Gael, the Orangemen march freely in Ballyshannon & Cavan every year, no issues & no problems.
Isnt that Ironic!!! NO HASSLE.....
Those men have no problem with their identity, they are Irishmen with British origins.
The demographic is changing still what are we to do? divide our homes, farms & villages? again all options are on the table.
gespb32 2 months ago
Contin..This may seem bizzare to you but the Orange Order is in essence a disticntly Irish organisation, most here in the Republic would have no problem with them marching, we will always have the drunken twits who say otherwise but this is the reality.
Remember even Carson lamented partition!, its is better to be one than all divided, Everything will be on the table to facilitate re-unification, we all have a shared heritage, I lost my 3 great grand uncles in the Somme.
gespb32 2 months ago
Yes Andulsi you are right. In those days might was right and victory went to the stronger. Charlmagne was the pope's warlord. The Celts rampaged through Europe until seen off by those other land-grabbers the Romans. Will America be given back to the native Americans? We could go on and on about injustices on all sides. Lets not forget that St Patrick was taken from his own people by the Irish and held in bondage and slavery by them.
bickybox 2 months ago
ireland for native irish. go back 2 scotland huns
Patrickf1916 2 months ago
go back to the Iberian peninsula then, because the Irish are not native to Ireland. it's called migration bitch, it's why the Irish are all over the world and not just in Ireland. by your admission shouldn't all the Irish round the world return to Ireland then?
CyberfoxAndy 2 months ago
@CyberfoxAndy
yes but they were forced out by the brits get the brits out now
Patrickf1916 2 months ago
Ulster got its name from the Uladh tribe who were based in what is now Counties Antrim and Down. They spread from there to cover an area of roughly 12 present day counties. Ulster's area has varied over the different years. But yes the province is 9 counties,but Ulster itself has varied.
bickybox 3 months ago
@bickybox
antrim is in what island? thats right ireland not britain... so go home huns
Patrickf1916 2 months ago
In truth their are two "Ulsters"...
The Native Gaelic Irish & the those who came here in the 17th century, two different cultures & traditions but nonetheless native to the entire province & island of Ireland.
gespb32 3 months ago
@gespb32 they all started as the same Celts and migrated to the islands at the same time, and then migrated between them, whether you like it or not!
CyberfoxAndy 2 months ago
@scotinulster.I have no problem with the free movement of people. If your ancestors were Scots or even English, that' s fine. My problem has always been the treatment of the indigenous people of this island by our nearest neighbour. And by the people they settled here, having first evicted the original owners of the land. It was an injustice.
Andulsi 3 months ago
@Andulsi Yes there have been many injustices in the history of Britain & Ireland and not all from one side. Let's also remember that the Irish were invading, raiding & carving out kingdoms in parts of Britain long before the Normans conquered Ireland. In the bigger picture many things that happened in Ireland were related to a larger conflict & power struggles that were happening throughout Europe at the time.
scotinulster 3 months ago
@scotinulster. Instead of a Protestant state in the North that (up to the recent past) treated its Catholic community as second class citizens, and practically a theocracy in the South (luckily this is challeged, when the leader of the Catholic Party-Fine Gael- speaks out against the church you know its power is ending).
Andulsi 3 months ago
@scotinulster. I can undestand the fear of Rome rule. I' m not fond of the Church. Not fond of religon generally to be honest. It seems to me though that if the ideals of the United Irishmen had won through we would have a secular inclusive republic on the whole island.-
Andulsi 3 months ago
@Andulsi I think you may be right. The Rebellion of 1798 may have been a unique time in Ireland were a victory could have lead to a lasting peace and the unifying of the people. Of course we will never know. Political ideals that spark a revolution don't always become realities in the new era.
scotinulster 3 months ago
This "Ulster Scots" nonsense was fabricated many years later. I don't think the "Ulster Scots" from Ireland like Andrew Jackson considered themselves anything but Americans of Irish descent. They were mostly driven out Ireland by British policy. And Jackson hated the Brits intensely.
TrueNovice 3 months ago
@TrueNovice It was not! Ulster protestants have always preserved a Scots culture & heritage but it wasn't until the Good Friday Agreement that any funding was used to promote it officially. Of course Jackson would have called himself Irish (everyone did up until Partition) but he would have had a different culture from the native Irish. Back then most Ulster-Scots opposed the English. It wasn't until the end of the Penal Laws & The Act of Union that saw the Ulster-Scots reconciled with Britian.
scotinulster 3 months ago
The Bastard Race !
TokingOnCheese 4 months ago
@RedShirtArmy. I think the idea of the Majority wanting to remain in the UK is a very sore point. Especially in view of the phenomenon of Gerrymandering. Use of the term Democracy up there is laughable.
Andulsi 4 months ago
@Andulsi: What century are you in my friend? In case you haven't noticed there was the Belfast Agreement back in '98. Gerrymandering is long gone. And if you want to laugh at democracy in NI it's probably because there's an ex terrorist IRA leader as joint leader of the country.
scotinulster 3 months ago
One of the other big Scots plantation was during James I reign. He couldn t contri=ol the Border Reavers (outlaw families on the borders of England and Scotland, so he pardonned them and sent them to Ulster. He used one group he couldn' t control (The Reavers) against another (The Gaelic Lords of Ulster). Clever strategy, but we re still feeling the repercussions today. Why they' d be loyal to the Crown is a mystery, They were dispossessed of their own lands too and sent into a hostile country.
Andulsi 4 months ago
I don' t understand Ulster Scots. The majority of them were driven out of Scotland after the Highland Clearances. They converted to Presbyterianism at the time because it was the only Church that helped them. They arrived in Ulster as refugees and were in the main Gaelic speakers (Scottish historian told me that). Why on earth are they loyalists?
Andulsi 4 months ago
@Andulsi apron strings
mrmagicroundcircle 4 months ago
@Andulsi You are half correct... SOME of the Ulster-Scots were Highlanders dispossessed after the clearances, others were Border Reivers banished to Ulster by King James... but the large majority were ordinary Lowland Scots who went on their own accord seeking a better life than they had in an over-populated Scotland. Around 10-15% of Ulster-Scots spoke Gaelic but overwhelmingly they spoke Scots. The main reason they wanted to keep ties with Britain was that they feared rule by Rome in Ireland.
scotinulster 3 months ago
@IrishItalian10 Oh, Irish-Italians exist but Ulster-Scots do not? If you are referring to nine county Ulster, nationalists actually do not have a clear majority. Population is around 2m with Unionists & Nationalists around 1 million each. Besides, nine county Ulster is of little relevance, it's the people of Northern Ireland that will decide it's own future and at the moment only around 15% want unification with the RoI.
scotinulster 4 months ago
Good post padraic. Though I would say that when one gets down to the nitty-gritty the nationalist case (which you touch on) is largely based on a name and salt water. Only guessing, but I would say the nationalist people of Ireland would welcome the break-up of mainland Britain ie Scotland becoming independent and going its own way. Yet on their own island the opposite seems to be the case. Nevertheless your comments are truthful and sincere.
bickybox 4 months ago
@Taiginator What's up old chap, long time no hear, whats the weather like in Indiana, are you still on that racist SKADI forum,what name do you use now? do you still use the name Æmeric?
saoirse2011 5 months ago
No Surrender! GSTQ
LordWellington15 6 months ago
@LordWellington15
but ye did surrender,the RA are in power.You stupid twat.
saoirse2011 6 months ago
@saoirse2011 LOL! Sure, live in your Republican fantasy world. Tell me this, after almost 100 years of RA terrorism, why is it that the North is still British?
hahahaha FTRA
LordWellington15 6 months ago
@LordWellington15 LOL what an uneducated buffoon you are.I see history is not your strong point, can I suggest a visit to the library or enrollment in further education, you really are an embarrassment to the majority of British folk who are fair minded,decent,hard working,non sectarian individuals.If you can't shut up maybe you should consider slithering back to the council hovel that spawned you.
saoirse2011 6 months ago
@saoirse2011 You wrote a large paragraph and yet you said nothing. You only called me uneducated, yet you have nothing to come back at me with what I had previously stated. Once again, I will ask: after almost 100 years of RA terrorism, why is it that the North is still British?
LordWellington15 6 months ago
@LordWellington15 I have standards,I don't usually engage with cretins who do not have even the most basic knowledge of history but for you I make an exception,45% of people in NI consider themselves Irish,Sinn fein are part of the goverment,ulster scots are leaving in droves,its only a matter of time when the it will be Irish.You're ignorance of history is also revealed in your assertion that there was near 100 years of IRA activity.
saoirse2011 6 months ago
@LordWellington15 By the way I am sure there are fee reductions in further education for welfare recipients.
saoirse2011 6 months ago
Ulster Scots helped to defeat the British in America. It's a shame they don't rememeber that more.
Liam2621 6 months ago
@Liam2621 Thats correct ,but alot of them also fought for the British. They wanted religious freedom but not for catholics.
saoirse2011 6 months ago
@saoirse2011 Yeah it seems important for them to keep catholics under control or grinded down, i must admit i dont understand it all.
Liam2621 6 months ago
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Taiganator has issues,an underachiever with low self esteem.He is most likely white(pinkish)middle aged,recently divorced,possibly a misgynist,bi curious,and lonely.He has a fragile grasp on reality and has no comprehension of history or economics,His hatred of catholics eats at him like a cancer,he is to be pitied and those of you who are religous should pray for him
saoirse2011 6 months ago
@RichardElden the UVF LOL the fucking Kaisers army,armed by the Kaiser and funded by german sympathisers,they were willing in 1913/14 to kill British Tommies to defend their bigoted ways, they lost on the 1st July,(couldnt achieve their objectives)at least the 16th Irish catholic division won at Ginchy and Guillemont at the somme in Sept 1916.
saoirse2011 6 months ago
@saoirse2011 At least we commemorate our war dead - the Irish only use their war dead in an argument ,but quite happily class them as traitors any other time it suits them.For your info. - The 36th Ulster Division fulfilled their orders and more.They took the Scwaben Redoubt and beyond ,but could not hold,as the forces on either side failed to support them.The 36th Ulsters fought as hard as the 16th Irish -It's a disgrace to the memory of both to use them in this way,Shameful, Ignorant.and Sad !
strongarmofthepaw 6 months ago
@strongarmofthepaw I agree that it was"Shameful, Ignorant.and Sad" that loyalists have used the 36th as a political stick to beat Irish nationalism.Plenty of people in the south remember and commemorate the 16th and the family members that served,we just don't use it as an excuse to display tribal royalties.By the way everything I said was accurate but sometimes people dont like the truth.
saoirse2011 6 months ago
@saoirse2011 The UVF was formed to protect the Protestant people from Irish Republicanism and Catholicism,due to the hearing of the Home Rule Bill.Plenty of people in the South remember....,must be in three figures by now! Tribal loyalties - We are a race,who pay respect to our dead and their sacrifices in WWI /WWI.That's not an excuse - IT'S ETERNAL GRATITUDE, and Republicans hate us for it.You are blinded by Irish Republicanism Your truth is only what you perceive to be true in your mind!
strongarmofthepaw 6 months ago
@strongarmofthepaw Lets be honest ,the UVF was formed to prevent Home rule only, which equated roughly to Dominion status for Ireland (similar to Canada and Australia).But once again Unionist paranoia and bigotry reared its ugly head and decided to threaten the British and Irish Home Rulers with war.Unionism has alot to answer for,once again their intransigence and obstinancy destroyed what could have a been a peaceful united Ireland within the the then British Empire.
saoirse2011 6 months ago
@saoirse2011 Everything you state is from an Nationalist point of view.Therein, lies the trouble.The HR Bill was a diktat - nothing more! Ireland was ready to Force the Bill through, despite Unionist opposition, and they would have slaughtered anyone who stood in their way.Now that's Bigotry! A peaceful UI within the B. Empire- Get Real! Republicanism would never allow it.Look what happened to Michael Collins! I do however support a Federal N.I. (terms) within UI ,for an everlasting peace.
strongarmofthepaw 5 months ago
@strongarmofthepaw " I do however support a Federal N.I. (terms) within UI ,for an everlasting peace."
I would agree with you on the Federal NI , a very logical solution.With regards to your other assertions I cant agree,unionism just said no, no discussion,nothing.I would credit the british with the ability to protect the Unionists within a UI framework if unionists engaged,but they did not,also remember unionist opposition to HR was the greatest contribution to republicanism anyone made.
saoirse2011 5 months ago
@strongarmofthepaw,I could criticse your position because of your backround,but I wont even though you call a nationalist viewpoint bigoted. As regards a UI within the Empire,we will never know if it could have succeeded,unionism saw to that.Unionism is not blameless in the whole debacle, but they like to think they are.Like I said,just stubborn.
saoirse2011 5 months ago
@saoirse2011 I have nothing against Nationalism;there's nothing wrong with seeing one's country unified - but to be prepared to force it upon a race within a race without agreement IS bigotted.Unionist's do have to accept a portion of the blame,as does Redmond. Unionism has moved on slowly - DUP/ Sinn Fein Gov't. is actually working, If they ever reach agreement about NI within UI,would the Irish Gov't declare war on Republicanism if they opposed it?Fight their own to protect Unionists?Hmm!!!!
strongarmofthepaw 5 months ago
@strongarmofthepaw I won't mention the worst excesses of Unionist admistrations when it comes to bigotry, as we need to move on. We could also nitpick at each others position all night but it would serve no pupose as I do not think we are that far apart, but we would have minor disagreements as to how we got there.I respect your position and opinions and wish you the best for the future.
saoirse2011 5 months ago
@RichardElden No, they're idiots. Idiots who can't get a job because of their high level of retardness that runs in their families.
Skyifictionable 6 months ago
@RichardElden You're an idiot. Please kill yourself. Those rioters where pussy ass Belfasties with nothing better to do. Go get a job.
Skyifictionable 6 months ago
@RichardElden BAHAHAHAHA. Don't make me laugh.
Skyifictionable 6 months ago
@RichardElden Umm, that money the UK was not out of the kindness of the UK's heart. It was the simple fact that if Ireland goes down the UK comes along with it. Why? We're one of your major trading partners. :/
Who has mortars, machine guns etc?
Skyifictionable 6 months ago
@RichardElden Says who? We haven't ever been part of the Republic of Ireland. There is no way of knowing. Sure the ROI is in debt at the minute, (like everywhere else, the UK is slashing and cutting everything nowadays) in a few decades the ROI will be back on track.
After WW1, Germany was debt ridden; worse off than Ireland today, plus Germany had to pay reparations to the Allies, yet within a a decade or so it became the wealthiest, strongest country in Europe. Just sayin'.
Skyifictionable 6 months ago
@RichardElden No, it hasn't. Death threats? Baha, if you're truely from NI you know that no one gives a shit about those. We're probably the only people on earth that don't run when someone shouts "bomb!"
Skyifictionable 6 months ago
@RichardElden Is that you Richie?are you still a fat bastard?
saoirse2011 6 months ago
@RichardElden No, no it hasnt.
Skyifictionable 6 months ago
@RichardElden Then why did all the Catholic majority voting areas vote for Sinn Fein or SDLP? Northern Ireland is an unsustainable joke.
I have no idea. Look it up yourself ye lazy hallion.
Skyifictionable 6 months ago
@Taiginator You have no valid points,you are so blinded by hatred that you cannot formulate a logical or cohesive argument. You just do not possess the necessary skills to articulate your point of view,all you do is spew bile and make incomprehensible statements with no regard to accuracy or source.I know you told me you engaged in further education,but you should try to enroll in higher diploma or degree courses, spend a bit of money and dont let your scots/ulster heritage inhibit you.;)
saoirse2011 6 months ago
Taiginator has issues,an underachiever with low self esteem.He is most likely white(pinkish)middle aged,recently divorced,possibly a misgynist,bi curious,and lonely.He has a fragile grasp on reality and has no comprehension of history or economics,His hatred of catholics eats at him like a cancer,he is to be pitied and those of you who are religous should pray for him.
saoirse2011 6 months ago
@Taiginator Anyway, NI isn’t doing great either, it never has, it’s GDP per capita is like fucking Africa compared to the Republics. The majority of Catholics will always support a United Ireland, deal with it. I would never back a country which killed my people. Anyway, the majority of mainland British would gladly give NI to the republic of Ireland. It's an expensive mess. Many English barely understand the situation in NI and support a United Ireland
Skyifictionable 6 months ago
@Taiginator All countries are suffering from the recession, in the UK there is cuts left, right and centre. The UK is suffering but due to its large economy which it has because of its large population, it is just about getting by.Dont use debts to accuse a country of being shit.All countries get into debt and get back out.Take Germany after WW1, it had a massive amount of debt AND had pay billions in reparations, then in around 10yrs it became the richest and most advanced country in the world.
Skyifictionable 6 months ago
@Taiginator The ROI has not attacked my people for 400 years, what are you on about? The British on the other hand have been trying to control Ireland for well over 800 years. The British treated the Irish people with no respect, killed innocents and yes, caused the famine. Which killed one million Irish and forced another million to flee. I would never side with such a people with a history of such torture, cruelty and sectarianism. The British empire is was no better than the German Reich.
Skyifictionable 6 months ago
@Taiginator And Catholics aren't attacked in Northern Ireland? Since the creation of NI Catholics have been treated as second class citizens. If there was a United Ireland Catholics wouldnt attack Protestants because they have achieved their goal. Your point is invalid. The Republic of Ireland is not useless or underachieving. Due to the recent global climate, unfortunately has got into debt, as most countries. Before the recession, it was doing better than the UK.
Skyifictionable 6 months ago
Omg the whole thing is so stupid and pathetic. Everyone in the British isles is British, same as everyone in Europe is European. Just because some sad bigot doesnt like it doesnt mean its not true.
msbeth20 7 months ago
beacuse I AM of Ulster Scot heritage -- I've joined the Ulster Scot Yahoo group --
God bless and keep them safe -- and my they have their wishes fulfilled -- I'm still learning about them and their country -- so I'm going to stop here before I open mouth and insert my foot -- I'm researching and learning :)
Yizlanu 7 months ago
I'm protestant and Irish not British AT-ALL. get over it people . :D
brandonlovesmonkeys 7 months ago
@brandonlovesmonkeys cheers !! :) tell em !!!!
Yizlanu 7 months ago
@Yizlanu Yeah :D it's sad the way some people leave religon define them :]
brandonlovesmonkeys 7 months ago
please my friend as a fellow ulster scot, don't get sucked into the shite that we already have over here in order to secceed from the "United Kingdom" we need to move forward not dwell in the past hating each other over the same shite!!! the Scots got over it and they have a much more diverse ethnic backround!
Ulaid gu brath agus Alba gu brath!!
Free Ulster No Pasaran
ConCon75 7 months ago
UNITED IRELAND! INVADE THE SOUTH!
No Surrender
LordWellington15 9 months ago
in the words of the great irish patriot thomas davis (who was protestant) ACCEPT YOU ARE PART OF THE IRISH NATION AND YOU WILL BE ACCEPTED AS PART OF THE IRISH NATION
bouse23 10 months ago
There are more Irish in Ulster than Ulster Scots...
Anyway, Ulster Scots are descendants of Scottish who in turn descendants of the Irish.
I live in Ulster (in Northern Ireland part) and I consider myself Irish. I have an Irish passport and citizenship. I am loyal to Ireland not Britain.
The Ulster Scots people can stay, but the British control needs to go. They think they will be attacked in a United Ireland. They will not. They need to be reminded that a third of the Irish flag is for them
Skyifictionable 10 months ago
Were mostly just a bunch of rednecks here....
GrisGrisOnUrDoorStep 10 months ago
CrackaPackify. Point taken and that may be so with the majority of the people in Eire. Its a debatable point. However,for about 80 years Eire had written into its Constution a claim that N.I. belonged to them. There was no such claim made over the territory of Eire,or indeed the three 'lost counties' of Ulster by N.I. We accepted the right of the people and the choice they made. That claim (now removed) gave creditability to the IRA and their murder campaign for many years.
Congal 11 months ago
The people of B.U. have the right to chose their own destiny as had the people of Eire when they opted out of the UK. We recognised their right to do so unfortunately this was not reciprocated by Eire who sought to deny us the very thing they claimed for themselves....CHOICE.And so they then launched a campaign of murder against a young fledgling country. Its ironic that the Irish who resisted being made 'Little Englanders' now play the English role by insisting that we are' Little Irelanders'
Congal 1 year ago
@Congal Don't associate the IRA or its many subsidiaries with the average person in the South.
Under the Good Friday Agreement the North is entitled to choose for itself what it wants to happen. Then, and only then, will any move be made by the South if they elect for a United Ireland.
Unlike the tards who post NO SURRENDER or BRITS OUT the vast majority of people in the South are rather ambivalent to what the North does. We have bigger problems these days.
CrackaPackify 11 months ago
The MAJORITY (WHICH IS WHAT MATTERS), belongs to the United Kingdom. No Surrender
UlsterScotKeith 1 year ago
@Oisin095 Britain owns 6/9 Ulster counties. Ireland only owns 3.
TheLeSamuel 1 year ago
I'm southern Irish, of Catholic stock, and unlike most people of my ilk who post comments here, I fully respect the Ulster-Scots identity. I believe Northern Ireland's Protestant community have as much a right to be on this island as everyone else, and their British identity should not be seen as a mark of shame. However, I would still love to see a united Ireland some day, one that respects and cherishes each tradition on the island equally. Sadly I don't think that will happen in my lifetime.
padraic2001eire 1 year ago 14
@padraic2001eire I can totally respect that position. Thanks for the comment.
RedShirtArmy 1 year ago
@padraic2001eire
I am educated and i do not advocate murder. i am catholic and a US Navy veteran.
all the crap about ulster irish just means that the northern 6 counties are not only traitors to Ireland, but are were traitors in my home land.........enemies of the union. and maybe you ulster scots should remember what what cumberland did to your people!
if you dont like it.......go home with your tail between your legs...........brave irishmen fought to save the union and became AMERICAN
brewers97 11 months ago
@padraic2001eire you said a Ireland that respects each tradition equally. Being a resident of Northern Ireland, and an Irishman, I love my country and am proud to be Irish. However, so long as I am treated equally here, I do have a problem with the political boarder. As far as I am concerned it makes me no less Irish. In fact, building on your point, I would refuse to be a part of the republic, unless an entirely new state was formed, on the principles of real equality, parity of esteemm
ThePromethianspark 9 months ago
@padraic2001eire Interesting comment, beats the usual bigotry on this website from all sides! I'm an Englishman and a Unionist,I think that in the future a good compromise, considering the growing Gaelic Catholic population in the North,might be a 32 county Ireland with a Parliament in Dublin,but constitutionally within the British Commonwealth. In name, head of State would be the British Monarch, which may be difficult to sell to the Gaelic Irish, but would offer Ulster-Scots some reassurance.
LondonBrit 8 months ago
@padraic2001eire Your "ilk" here? how dare you, I am an Ulster Gael & live in the Republic, I consider myself 100% Irish & without any infringement on my national identity, an Ulsterman also.
If you wish too compare the demographic for the entire "province" of Ulster and see what the stats are, also there were just over 10,000 votes between Sinn Fein & the dup in the 6 counties.
"It" will happen in your lifetime, with or without your support.
gespb32 3 months ago
@gespb32 I meant the kind who post vehemently anti-British comments on youtube videos, and judging by the tone of your comment, you probably fit into that demographic.
padraic2001eire 3 months ago
@padraic2001eire My "tone"? what "demographic" do "I" fit into?
As "I" said, I am an "actual" Ulsterman, again I'll explain, "I" am an "Ulsterman", now you twit, explain, also bear in mind we are the majority of "Ulster", the "actual" province.
gespb32 3 months ago
@gespb32 and IF it does what about the liberties and freedom of the Protestants & Orange Order in Ulster? Over history they have faced religious persecution from Catholics (e.g Portadown massacre) even though many were NATIVE IRISH WHO CONVERTED TO PROTESTANTISM, not familes from plantation, and what will stop such intolerance in the future? This is why the Ulster Covenant was signed in the first place, as a declaration of independence from the Irish Free State and to preserve religious freedom
CyberfoxAndy 2 months ago
@CyberfoxAndy We all must be honest with oursleves & each other, both our peoples suffered tit for tat massacre & oppresion, as far I am concerned I consider the Scots Irish to be a "fifth province" of Ireland, you are as much "Irish" as what I am, indeed even militant Irish Republicanism was founded by Irish protestants, not Catholics, it is your heritage.
I think now that we all are older & more wiser we see what both "religions" have done, for better & worse.
Contin.
gespb32 2 months ago
@gespb32 I just cant see how handing Britain Ulster over to the Republic of Ireland would work. It wouldn't solve any of the problems, it would only make matters worse as instead of struggling to retain identity, etc., in the current state of affaris the Unionists will effectively start a rebellion against the Republic for what they will regard as a fight freedom and separation from the rest of Ireland.
CyberfoxAndy 2 months ago
@CyberfoxAndy I think all of us are fed up of the sectarian cr*p, it does not even belong on the terraces anymore, I believe back in 22 there was genuine fears for Ulster Scot people, all was unfounded in the free state, there was no mass genocide of protestant people, our first president was protestant.
The reason Britain is still in Ireland is because of a majority vote alone, a new Ireland, new flag constitution, capital, anthem etc, something like America is what is needed.
gespb32 2 months ago
People born in the irish province of ulster on the island of ireland are irish. Ulster isnt a country or a separate entity its an irish province with a nationalist majority.
Ducksexbody 1 year ago
@Ducksexbody
No its not.
UlsterScotKeith 1 year ago
@UlsterScotKeith Yes Ulster is one of 4 Irish Provinces
Ducksexbody 1 year ago
@Ducksexbody I guess you would like to impose this sort of regime upon the people of Ulster, but the majority there would resist you. If you claim the right to use violence to force a particular government upon others then you certainly do not believe in liberty.
RedShirtArmy 1 year ago 2
@RedShirtArmy How is what i said a ''regime' retard? Also theres no need to impose anything on people from Ulster as the majority are nationalists hence why only 6 of its 9 counties is under British rule with the other 3 run from dublin.
The 6 counties of the illegal Northern Ireland state isnt Ulster.
Ducksexbody 1 year ago
@Ducksexbody You want to force a government that is unwanted upon the people. That's the reason I used the word "regime." The majority of the people of NI don't want to become part of the Irish state. Perhaps a confederal union between the two could be worked out in the future - I don't know. But the only way the people of NI are going to become part of the Irish state as it is now is if they are forced to do so. Thus, my use of the word "regime."
RedShirtArmy 1 year ago 3
@Ducksexbody Actually if you take the population of the historic 9 counties of Ulster there are around 2 million people and that equates to about 1 million protestants & 1 million catholics. Oh and which law, country or government states that Northern Ireland is an 'illegal' entity? None that i am aware off, and the Republic of Ireland certainly doesn't regard as an illegal occupation. Northern Ireland seceded from the rest of Ireland two days after the Government Of Ireland act of 1920.
napalm69 7 months ago
@Ducksexbody Course it is and always has been ..remember cú cuhlainn ,hound of ulster?
newsatone 3 months ago
@newsatone Ulster consists of 9 counties. The northern Irish State consists of 6 of those which means it's not Ulster but 6 counties of Ulster. The other 3 are run by the republic. Now go bow to an old English woman. 5-0.
Ducksexbody 3 months ago
@RedShirtArmy The British Imposed Partition on the Irish people by force, they created a FALSE Gerrymandered state!! Not only did they divide Ireland they divided this Beloved Ulster that protestants so much admire, its total hypocrisy mate!!!!
phoenix1916 11 months ago
As an Ulster-Scot and PROUD Irishman I find some of the views in this video nonsensical. By its logic the one million or so Irish in Scotland could claim they are separate from the defined, natural Scottish nation. Thankfully they don't because they have been prepared to accept the dominant culture of their host nation.
I wish some of my fellow Ulster-Scots would stop embarrassing us by promoting division with what is now our home. 400 years and STILL refusing to assimilate? Sad and wrong.
thedoc241000 1 year ago
@thedoc241000 Great post and the same question many Southern Irish wonder about the Ulster Protestants. Promoting division is what causes the bitterness.
LOGOS422 1 year ago
Interesting to see now that I am moving to Belfast from Kildare. I think I can understand 90% of Ulster-Scots, so is it not a very strong accent/dialect as opossed to a language?
stainser 1 year ago
Ulster Scots, ha... they have no power, The UK don't want them and will happily give the north of Ireland to the Irish when we get majority rule in our new devolved government. By 2030 you will be living under Irish rule. Please go over to your Pakistani run UK at before this time if you love it so much. Either that or live and obey our constitution. Ulster Scots are nothing but power hungry murderers. Remember Ulster is just one of our four provinces.
philyfree 1 year ago
Proud Prod! Proud Ulsterman! God Save The Queen! No Surrender!
LordWellington15 1 year ago
Yes, thats right, forget ulster-english, we were planted too! and people with names like Wilson,morrison,lewis,gibson,hogdeson ,robinson, robertson,adams,jackson and johnson are of english ethnicity.
Shropshireladdie 1 year ago
Please dont think im trying to steal credit, but names such as jackson originated in England as an anglo-saxon name( jahssen).
Shropshireladdie 1 year ago
@Shropshireladdie Give credit where credit is due. Jackson was an amazing man. His ancestry, whether English or Scottish, is part of the Northern Ireland immigration that built America.
Brenda2OOO 1 year ago
@Brenda2OOO
That is what im trying to gain for my country! credit, we dont get enough......=[
Shropshireladdie 1 year ago
@Shropshireladdie
If "Jackson" originated from the anglo-saxon then it is clearly a German-Nordic name.
thedoc241000 1 year ago
Stonewall Jackson's great grandfather, John Jackson, was born a Protestant in Coleraine, County Londonderry. Military historians consider Jackson to be one of the most gifted tactical commanders in United States history. His Civil War campaigns are studied worldwide even today as examples of innovative and bold leadership.
Brenda2OOO 1 year ago
The people he mentions the whole way through are all irish :D
IrishlyMad 1 year ago
@IrishlyMad Only if you make the claim that Ulster-Scots and Ulstermen in general are "Irish" because they live on the island of Ireland. If you use geography to describe people then fine. However, I used culture and nationality to describe the people. There is one island but two nations of people - two distinct cultures.
RedShirtArmy 1 year ago
@RedShirtArmy Fuck me dont tell me that.... that means there over 20 million americans that are really irish....... fet me a gun..... only Real irish people we have who are proud to be irish are yanks and me
IrishlyMad 1 year ago
@IrishlyMad van morrisons parents were scottish, they migrated to ulster, his ancestory is pure scottish, fool
gaelscot 1 year ago
@gaelscot His parents were Irish born and he is too, He considers himself an Irishman so grow up son and stop fibbing
breda83 1 year ago
@breda83 Van Morrison's family roots descend from the Ulster Scots population that settled in Belfast. there migrated from scotland to ulster then settle in belfast you fuckin numpty, i suppose you think john jameson of "jamesons irish whiskey" is irish too right? wrong he and his parents were born in scotland asshole, now fuck off
gaelscot 1 year ago
@gaelscot Van's parents are Irish . Born on the Island of Ireland makes you Irish son.
breda83 1 year ago
@breda83 you must be one of them yanks that had irish ancestors 300 years removed from ireland but you think your irish. let me guess, irish tattoo? irish flag at your house?? you know nothing of irish or scottish culture or celtic culture for that matter. go back and eat some fast food you fat lazy yank
gaelscot 1 year ago
@gaelscot why do you grovel to the limeys son?
breda83 1 year ago
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@RedShirtArmy I actually work in a museum that is in Ulster - not the Ulster Museum! lol! I worded that badly - sorry! It's still cool and alot of fun though! :) We do community outreach work to promote peace through education on cultural idenities and diversities so we work with the Ulster Scots quite alot, as well as with people involved with the Irish language. Its interesting and a joy to see people from different backgrounds embracing and understanding each other cultures. :)
BessyBumblebee 1 year ago
For a long time I didn't realize the enormous contribution of Ulster-Scots to American history. It explains a LOT of things. Those Scots are tough ass people. They fought to build this country and will keep fighting for it. I wish the best for Ulster, or Northern Ireland, or whatever they want to call it. Yeah, yeah, six counties vs. nine counties. Up the Protestants, ok?
Brenda2OOO 1 year ago
@Brenda2OOO Oh shut-up Brenda. U do know the KKK, hillbilly, red-kneck southern USA accent etc was started by the so called Ulster-Scots? the Ulster-Scots did not contribute anything good & civlized. Only those who mixed with the English & others did. But exuclusilvely Ulster-Scots are uncivilized, immoral, backward and racist bigoted ppl. Compare KKK & Ulster? how simmilar it is, how voilent it is, how racist it is. U need to research and be open minded & not be in-denial.
easynowww 1 year ago
@Brenda2OOO Also if the Ulster-Scots (Scotch-Irish) did contribute of goodness in USA and World then why isn't Ulster- Northern Ireland same? why isn't it progressing? why isn't it same as USA?. Fact is Ulster-Scots are weak people, whom were enslaved by the English yet they still follow them like a poodle i.e sing their anthem, fly their flags etc. Am not saying every single on is bad but asa a people compared to others they are trailer trash. U know this to be true. They jst racist/immoral!
easynowww 1 year ago
@Brenda2OOO Last thing they are saxons, normans and vikings hence of being protestants. They aren't Celtic like True Catholic-Irish.
easynowww 1 year ago
@easynowww Easynow, easynowww. Who wants to be Celtic?
Brenda2OOO 1 year ago
Ulster is Irish
breda83 1 year ago
@breda83 setteld by scottish and english, stop being so narrow minded
gaelscot 1 year ago
@gaelscot what age are you son?
breda83 1 year ago
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Grobo, William Wallace and Andrew Murray (a Highlander) commanded an army of Scottish patriots from every part of the land and smashed the English at Stirling Bridge. William Wallace was an anti-Unionist hero and your lies are spit in the eye of everyone who has ever fought and died for liberty.
Read a book! Alba gu brath.
knotworks 1 year ago
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knotworks 1 year ago
Its nothing more than settlers slang. This is Ireland.
robertemmet04 1 year ago
Lies
Cormac123456789 1 year ago
im ulster-scots for ever!
rkrulz1 1 year ago
Are Ulstermen and Scotsmen evangelical like the South is?
Kingwes40 1 year ago
@Kingwes40, Just like the South, Ulster is religiously diverse. Presbyterians, Baptists and others have a large representation in the population just like in the South.
RedShirtArmy 1 year ago
@RedShirtArmy If an Ulsterman converted to Catholicism....wld u stop considering him an Ulsterman ?
BraveMuslimSoldier49 1 year ago
@Kingwes40 Yes. Our British nation is a Protestant nation.
e3hammer 1 year ago
Dont listen to Pawnbroker00, he is mearly a meaningless troll who has nothing better to do on youtube. He's commented on my videos aswell, it made me lol.
crazyairsoft1 1 year ago
Alster scats? What the fuck is that? Anyhoo, the ulster scots are colonial bastards.
Pawnbroker00 1 year ago
@Pawnbroker00 What are you on about England? You mean Britain you cock which includes the Welsh and Scottish.
grobo11 1 year ago
@grobo11 Welsh and Scottish people arent known to be empire builders or aggressive towards harmless neighbour countries.
Pawnbroker00 1 year ago
@Pawnbroker00 During Williams Wallaces time he massacred his way into York and slaughterd the civillian population and executed hundreds if not near thousands of women and children. Yeah, the Welsh and Scotts arn't aggresive to their naighbours. It's because they were never wealthy enough to give it a go apart for that one time.
grobo11 1 year ago
@grobo11 Aggressive only because they were provoked. Wallace was a wanker through and through, but he showed england that they werent playing games. You are right, the people nowadays would like to have a shot at it again if firearms were more easily acquirable
Pawnbroker00 1 year ago
@grobo11 Wallace was great and you're a liar.
peacemaker083 1 year ago
@peacemaker083 Prove that I'm a liar. Wallace was a mass mudering cunt who murderd more highlanders than the English ever did.
grobo11 1 year ago
The Presidental pew in Washington Cathedral DC has the King William Coat of Arms engraved on the end.
The famous painting by Trumboll of the signing of the Declaration of Independence has the Orange Standard flag on the wall (bottom right flag).
The Ulsterscots were the first to face the Tory, first to raise Old Glory. The first place outside America that the Declaration was printed was in the Ulster Newsletter.
GaraGambini 1 year ago
You shouldn't be proud to be Ulster-Scots.
They were planted in Ireland as a method of control, in order to maintain a foreign presence in Ireland. Bigotry is also rife amongst the Ulster-Scots community, the VAST majority of those who undertake racist attacks in the occupied 6 counties are from Loyalist areas.
TAL
BlackpoolBhoy 1 year ago
Do you know what a pokemon is
Its ulster-scots for ice cream seller
Xboxdude343 1 year ago
Ahh yes, the ulster prods and the slave holding confederates, two GREAT bedfellows!
s31337m 1 year ago
I mean Sheamus !!!
DiamondCutter19 1 year ago
The guy,who's talking sounds a bit like Drew McIntyre ...
DiamondCutter19 1 year ago
Are there any Ulster-Anglos? There were just as many English immigrants to Irelands as Scottish.
grobo11 1 year ago
I think the scots outnumbered the English by a significant margin grobo.
Of interest though, is the fact that Clan Donald owned terriroties in pre-plantation Ulster, and the Ulster O'Neill clan had familial ties to the Hebridean McNeill clan (both linked to Niall of the 9 hostages!).
So there has been significant flow of people between ireland and scotland in both directions since the days of Dalriada, and probably long before!
gert83 1 year ago
Yes I suppose you are correct. However, would famous people from N.Ireland claim to be ulster-Scott? I mean Liam Nesson has some English ancestory but would he claim himself to be Ulster-Scottish?
grobo11 1 year ago
@grobo11
i do not think he would,even though he was born in ballymena,.but i am proud to be an ulster scott.
ida1690 1 year ago
@grobo11 no - he wouldn't, and I live 3 miles down the road from where he grew up and my friends neighbours and family are all Ulster-Scots. It quite often comes down to politics unfortunately!. There are people working hard to try and change that though!
BessyBumblebee 1 year ago
@BessyBumblebee So you're tryinf to make Ulster Scott an ethnicity?
grobo11 1 year ago
@grobo11 No! We just want people to accept it's part of their heritage as the Irish language is the heritage of those living in areas where it was still strong until recently! These languages have been plucked out and used as a weapon for politicians and terrorists to blatter us with, now I know a lot of people involved with the languages want to reclaim them as part of our joint and yet diverse culture - not as a tool to divide us!
BessyBumblebee 1 year ago
@BessyBumblebee I though Ulster Scotts was a type of slang used in the Irish language, not a language itself, am I mistaken?
grobo11 1 year ago