The only people who hate what Canadian/NATO troops are doing in Afghanistan are bearded boyfucker Talibs, Salafi subversives, Jerk bin Layton and NAMBLA.
Salafism/Wahhabism is a threat to the World. It must be struck from the earth, like the Thugee cult and Aum Shinrikyo. We've allowed the the Salafi Imams (Mohammed Elmasry, Syeed Sohawarty, Aly Hindy, &c.) into Canada--we should deport them all. Also, expell islamist students from universities (where they can access pathogens in biology labs).
Come on people we are all entitled to our opinions drop the name calling and argue your point pro or con. I don't like Stephan Harper or U.S. policy but I am happy we are fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan and think we should do what ever it takes to win there. I'm signing up to go. But just because someone disagrees with me doesn't make them an idiot for doing so.
I have been watching the Taliban for years before the so called war on Terror and they do not deserve any respect in my opinion. I would like to see the Afghan people male and female have a decent opportunity to live a good life free of the reign of terror that the Taliban brought and an end of the decades of destruction that they have suffered through. If you start a job you should finish it especially militarily.
Instead of protesting, support them. They are doing the job you wouldn't want to. We ARE making progress there, you just have to read into the actual records more.
How can you say Canadian soldiers are dying for no point? It's their JOB to try and protect people, and they do it well. Sure we would like to see them come home, but for myself (signing up this year) I would die in order to bring stability to a people. Taliban are drug dealers, and need to be pressured. Do I think we will ever truly win? No. It's almost impossible. We need to just make it safe enough for UN peacekeepers to be there long term. We pull out now, we're even more fucked.
You fuckin' coward. How are you going to tell me the majority of the people are sympathetic to the taliban? Have you been there and seen the faces of desperation? These people need food, water, security, freedom. The Taliban is taking that away from them. You are implying the Afghans are stupid and don't see this? We are welcomed, the ones who fight us are forced to. The majority welcome us with open arms. This isnt Iraq. We are a blessed nation with a moral obligation to help. Stay on the bench
you my friend are a fucking idoit. your blabbing your mouth about shit you do not know ANYTHING about. You have just educated yourself through google. You cant even pick your goddam words during the vid for fucksakes.
just shut up. noone cares what your little insignificant opinion is on the issue.
And I said, "granted they were commited for different reasons". I must be wrong though, I guess the government needs to be the same for mass murders and executions to be common. Hey, who knows, maybe Milosevic had nothing to do with it.
So in Bosnia women weren't allowed to work? Kids couldn't fly kites? There were no tvs, radios? Because that was the Taliban. Governments matter because the atrocities were not the same.
I never said anything about Afghanistan and Bosnia sharing all their atrocities, NO women were not barred from schools, NO kids we not prevented from flying kites. However you're wrong about the radios, only the broadcasts were regulated. They DID however execute plenty of people, as I said before, for different reasons, but murder is murder, no changing that.
Really you didn't? "Bosnia had many of the same style of atrocities as Afghanistan, granted they were commited for different reasons, but they're still the same."
Oh so just because they killed people they were similar, by that logic the US is similar to Afghanistan.
"many" is not the same as "all", remember that. If you think about it, yes, because they executed large amounts of people that does make them similar.
The history of Afghanistan has no bearing on the war right now. Why? Unlike every other country that has fought there, none had the support of the people like we do. You also don't seem to know exactly what we are doing there. Yes, we are rebuilding schools and orphanages and helping improve the economy, but our main role is to build Afghanistan a standing army. When Afghanistan is strong enough to stand on its own, then we will leave. Any sooner and the country will relapse to taliban rule.
It is impossible for the history of a country to have no bearing on its current situation.
The US, NATO, and the UN have spent billions of dollars in Afghanistan, they have spent 7 years, they have built schools, infrastructure, etc., and Afghanistan continues not to be able to stand on its own. No country has ever opposed the help we have demonstrated for 7 years and has ever been a success from it.
This war is unlike any war that has been fought in Afghanistan. We're not there to occupy the country. The people support us and as a result are helping us. If you could see the progress that's been made, you'd understand that this is not a losing battle and we are not losing this war. Afghanistan has no problem standing on its own, but it cannot defend itself, which is why fighters keep comming into the country. Give it time, Afghanistan will stand and our troops will come home.
Bosnia? US, NATO, and others were barely involved. Limited fighting lasted less then 3 years. Bosnia had just democratically voted to separate from a larger country. Bosnia had a history of an established government. Bosnia wasn't even close to being as poor as Afghanistan was. Bosnia had a lot of infrastructure. Bosnia is incomparable to Afghanistan.
Hahaha make up another one. Barely involved eh? tell that to the hundreds of troops from Canada alone that served there between 1991 and 2003, sounds like more than 10 years to me. Granted yes, Bosnia had alot of infrastructure, but believe it or not so did Afghansitan. Just because Bosnia isn't as poor doesn't mean is was any less volitile. Limited fighting lasted 3 years sure, so what? it still took over 10 years before we pulled out. No, Bosnia isn't the same, but that wasn't the question.
The fighting stopped in 1995, the Canadian troops in Bosnia up until 2003 were peacekeepers. Can't even begin to compare those soldiers with those in Afghanistan. Afghanistan was the poorest country in the western hemisphere and still is. Afghanistan had barely any roads. It barely had schools. People don't have water.
The statement in question was: "No country has ever opposed the help we have demonstrated for 7 years and has ever been a success from it." And you have not even responded to it
haha I beg to differ about the comparison between soldiers. Hell many of those soldiers served in Bosnia. But that's beside the point. The dangers were just as big in Bosnia as they are in Afghanistan, the only difference is you hear more about it and there's more fighting going on between us and the Taliban. Afghanistan has plenty of roads, you'd actually be suprised, it's not just some stuck in the 1800s society. Schools, a definate problem, and water, not as bad a situation as you'd think.
To actually suggest this you have no foundation in reality. "Hell many of those soldiers served in Bosnia. But that's beside the point." Maybe because its not the point. Peacekeepers are different from soldiers engaged in military operations. "The dangers were just as big in Bosnia as they are in Afghanistan" No they were not. 320 UN, US, etc Troops killed in Bosnia, close to 5,000 in Afghanistan. Afghanistan had no roads because of the soviets and civil war you are lying or incredibly mistaken
hahaha maybe I'm both, but then maybe I've seen this for myself and you're the one incredibly mistaken. Maybe alot of things, Peacekeepers are still soldiers there bright eyes, only the mission is different. More deaths doesn't mean less danger there too, to think otherwise is silly. Talk to the soldiers engaged at the Medak Pocket and then tell me it was less dangerous. Afghanistan has roads, plenty of them at that.
I never said peacekeepers aren't soldiers. Please point where I did. I never said more deaths meant more danger, but it does provide evidence there was significantly more danger. Afghanistan currently has about 4000 miles of roads but thats because of NATO, when we went in Afghanistan had no roads. Karzai said this himself.
"Peacekeepers are different from soldiers engaged in military operations" That alone implies that there's some kind of difference in soldiers from peackeeping to war. There is no difference, the soldiers are no different and the way everything is run is no different. The only thing that changes between the two are the rules of engagement and the intention of the mission. When we went to Afghanistan, there were roads, not as many as now, but I think you're taking Karzai WAY out of context.
Okay I said "Peacekeepers are not soldiers engaged in military operation." This is just like saying peaceful Apples are not apples that are engaged in military operations.
I find this discussion a waste of time because I know Bosnia is nothing like Afghanistan and your changing of the subject is time consuming. You can feel free to keep commenting.
hahaha Shame really I was enjoying arguing with someone of atleast some intelligence. However, look to yourself for atleast half the blame for changing the subject. But fair's fair I guess, good arguing with you.
The fighting stopped in 1995, the Canadian troops in Bosnia up until 2003 were peacekeepers. Can't even begin to compare those soldiers with those in Afghanistan. Afghanistan was the poorest country in the western hemisphere and still is. Afghanistan had barely any roads. It barely had schools. People don't have water.
The statement in question was: "No country has ever opposed the help we have demonstrated for 7 years and has ever been a success from it." And you have not even responded to it
One thing that you got to understand about the people who responded to you, is that most of them are sheeple. They believe what the media tells them, and if the media said that sand is sugar, they'd eat it. That's why they're responding to you the way they all do. I support you, however-keep it up.
One quick point though, if Bosnia isn't comparable to Afghanistan, then all the history points you made in your video have no bearing either. Bosnia had many of the same style of atrocities as Afghanistan, granted they were commited for different reasons, but they're still the same. That makes it more comparable than pretty much any war in Afghanistans history.
Did you watch the video? Afghanistan can't be won because the NATO mission in Afghanistan is restrained to its borders. Bosnia didn't have an never-ending supply of resistance fighters flowing into the country. Bosnia never had a religious fundamentalist government. Bosnia doesn't have tribal populations that don't want government. Bosnia is not even close to Afghanistan on any level.
Did you read one of my earlier posts? We're not there to destroy the Taliban, and before you give me the "what the hell have we been doing there", The offencives we've gone on were to destroy their ability to disrupt the rebuilding and limit their ability to attack us. Winning and losing this war isn't your classic "destroy the enemy until there's no more". When Afghanistan is able to defend itself, we win, simple as that.
I never said we were there to kick out the Taliban, I said Afghanistan had the Taliban, and I did so because you said this: "Bosnia had many of the same style of atrocities as Afghanistan." So tell me how Bosnia had the Taliban. Tell me how Bosnia allowed a similar government like the Taliban to take power.
I never said we were there to kick out the Taliban, I said Afghanistan had the Taliban, and I did so because you said this: "Bosnia had many of the same style of atrocities as Afghanistan." So tell me how Bosnia had the Taliban. Tell me how Bosnia allowed a similar government like the Taliban to take power.
To withdraw now would mean that those soldier's sacrifices, the ones who died and were wounded, were worthless, were nothing. I cannot fathom this, even to lose means something, to give up however, means nothing.
If I were not signing up I would not have even bothered to say this. But now there is far more potential, with the date extended to 2011, for others to fall and I would rather their sacrifices not be in vain
Just wondering, what makes you think I have never been to Afghanistan? Why are you so negative? What do you hope to accomplish by you're name calling and insinuations?
The taliban must be finished before the Canadian soldiers leave.
The canadian soldiers are WINNING the war in Afganistan.
If the Americans did NOT get involved in the IRAQ war and instead of had more American troops in Afganistan then the Taliban would have been finished off already.
There are more than one group of people. The Other groups were members of the Northern Alliance. That is bad assumpsions since you are saying that all french people in QUEBEC support the BLOCK and the PQ and want quebec to separate from Canada.
The DURAND line is the most and evil thing has ever happened to our history, and the cause of all these fightings r because of that historical division. all u westerners are fucking EVIL.
I've been to Afghanistan, and until you've been there, save your assumptions and regurgitated rhetoric that no longer applies to our day and age to yourself. Until then, stay in your lane, which I take to be living a comfortable and safe life in Surburbia, while young men so much better than you sacrifice and suffer..... for what you will never understand, but it's so far from "nothing".
What exactly did you quote by putting nothing in quotation marks? You know Why I went out of my lane? Because I vote, I'm a Canadian, I have a say. So you can tell me not to have an opinion, but what it shows is your hate of discussion and debate of ideas. I understand why you don't like my views, because I use logic.
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The only people who hate what Canadian/NATO troops are doing in Afghanistan are bearded boyfucker Talibs, Salafi subversives, Jerk bin Layton and NAMBLA.
Salafism/Wahhabism is a threat to the World. It must be struck from the earth, like the Thugee cult and Aum Shinrikyo. We've allowed the the Salafi Imams (Mohammed Elmasry, Syeed Sohawarty, Aly Hindy, &c.) into Canada--we should deport them all. Also, expell islamist students from universities (where they can access pathogens in biology labs).
acsial 3 years ago
Didn't the liberals send Canada to war? Harper is only finishing the job the liberals started, and rightfully so.
zach2288 3 years ago
Come on people we are all entitled to our opinions drop the name calling and argue your point pro or con. I don't like Stephan Harper or U.S. policy but I am happy we are fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan and think we should do what ever it takes to win there. I'm signing up to go. But just because someone disagrees with me doesn't make them an idiot for doing so.
OscarLimaMike 3 years ago
I have been watching the Taliban for years before the so called war on Terror and they do not deserve any respect in my opinion. I would like to see the Afghan people male and female have a decent opportunity to live a good life free of the reign of terror that the Taliban brought and an end of the decades of destruction that they have suffered through. If you start a job you should finish it especially militarily.
OscarLimaMike 3 years ago
Instead of protesting, support them. They are doing the job you wouldn't want to. We ARE making progress there, you just have to read into the actual records more.
ScottishMeatPies 3 years ago
How can you say Canadian soldiers are dying for no point? It's their JOB to try and protect people, and they do it well. Sure we would like to see them come home, but for myself (signing up this year) I would die in order to bring stability to a people. Taliban are drug dealers, and need to be pressured. Do I think we will ever truly win? No. It's almost impossible. We need to just make it safe enough for UN peacekeepers to be there long term. We pull out now, we're even more fucked.
ScottishMeatPies 3 years ago
so your for the war
simontimon2 2 years ago
You fuckin' coward. How are you going to tell me the majority of the people are sympathetic to the taliban? Have you been there and seen the faces of desperation? These people need food, water, security, freedom. The Taliban is taking that away from them. You are implying the Afghans are stupid and don't see this? We are welcomed, the ones who fight us are forced to. The majority welcome us with open arms. This isnt Iraq. We are a blessed nation with a moral obligation to help. Stay on the bench
CombatScent 3 years ago
you my friend are a fucking idoit. your blabbing your mouth about shit you do not know ANYTHING about. You have just educated yourself through google. You cant even pick your goddam words during the vid for fucksakes.
just shut up. noone cares what your little insignificant opinion is on the issue.
Go stand in front of the troops
InFlames44 3 years ago
Kill yourself.
DevinHK 3 years ago
I WANT MY TROOPS HOME!
person107 3 years ago
lol...sometimes i wish conscription was in place...fucktards like you would shut the fuck up.
did you know it was the Liberal party that sent our troops over there? now, Harper only wants the mission to be completed and accomplished.
alexandre92ca 3 years ago
And I said, "granted they were commited for different reasons". I must be wrong though, I guess the government needs to be the same for mass murders and executions to be common. Hey, who knows, maybe Milosevic had nothing to do with it.
raventheargyll 3 years ago
So in Bosnia women weren't allowed to work? Kids couldn't fly kites? There were no tvs, radios? Because that was the Taliban. Governments matter because the atrocities were not the same.
scottyross00 3 years ago
hahaha oh man.....
I never said anything about Afghanistan and Bosnia sharing all their atrocities, NO women were not barred from schools, NO kids we not prevented from flying kites. However you're wrong about the radios, only the broadcasts were regulated. They DID however execute plenty of people, as I said before, for different reasons, but murder is murder, no changing that.
raventheargyll 3 years ago
Really you didn't? "Bosnia had many of the same style of atrocities as Afghanistan, granted they were commited for different reasons, but they're still the same."
Oh so just because they killed people they were similar, by that logic the US is similar to Afghanistan.
scottyross00 3 years ago
"many" is not the same as "all", remember that. If you think about it, yes, because they executed large amounts of people that does make them similar.
raventheargyll 3 years ago
Well that sums things up right there.
scottyross00 3 years ago
The history of Afghanistan has no bearing on the war right now. Why? Unlike every other country that has fought there, none had the support of the people like we do. You also don't seem to know exactly what we are doing there. Yes, we are rebuilding schools and orphanages and helping improve the economy, but our main role is to build Afghanistan a standing army. When Afghanistan is strong enough to stand on its own, then we will leave. Any sooner and the country will relapse to taliban rule.
raventheargyll 3 years ago
It is impossible for the history of a country to have no bearing on its current situation.
The US, NATO, and the UN have spent billions of dollars in Afghanistan, they have spent 7 years, they have built schools, infrastructure, etc., and Afghanistan continues not to be able to stand on its own. No country has ever opposed the help we have demonstrated for 7 years and has ever been a success from it.
scottyross00 3 years ago
Bosnia.
This war is unlike any war that has been fought in Afghanistan. We're not there to occupy the country. The people support us and as a result are helping us. If you could see the progress that's been made, you'd understand that this is not a losing battle and we are not losing this war. Afghanistan has no problem standing on its own, but it cannot defend itself, which is why fighters keep comming into the country. Give it time, Afghanistan will stand and our troops will come home.
raventheargyll 3 years ago
Bosnia? US, NATO, and others were barely involved. Limited fighting lasted less then 3 years. Bosnia had just democratically voted to separate from a larger country. Bosnia had a history of an established government. Bosnia wasn't even close to being as poor as Afghanistan was. Bosnia had a lot of infrastructure. Bosnia is incomparable to Afghanistan.
Make up another one.
scottyross00 3 years ago
Hahaha make up another one. Barely involved eh? tell that to the hundreds of troops from Canada alone that served there between 1991 and 2003, sounds like more than 10 years to me. Granted yes, Bosnia had alot of infrastructure, but believe it or not so did Afghansitan. Just because Bosnia isn't as poor doesn't mean is was any less volitile. Limited fighting lasted 3 years sure, so what? it still took over 10 years before we pulled out. No, Bosnia isn't the same, but that wasn't the question.
raventheargyll 3 years ago
The fighting stopped in 1995, the Canadian troops in Bosnia up until 2003 were peacekeepers. Can't even begin to compare those soldiers with those in Afghanistan. Afghanistan was the poorest country in the western hemisphere and still is. Afghanistan had barely any roads. It barely had schools. People don't have water.
The statement in question was: "No country has ever opposed the help we have demonstrated for 7 years and has ever been a success from it." And you have not even responded to it
scottyross00 3 years ago
haha I beg to differ about the comparison between soldiers. Hell many of those soldiers served in Bosnia. But that's beside the point. The dangers were just as big in Bosnia as they are in Afghanistan, the only difference is you hear more about it and there's more fighting going on between us and the Taliban. Afghanistan has plenty of roads, you'd actually be suprised, it's not just some stuck in the 1800s society. Schools, a definate problem, and water, not as bad a situation as you'd think.
raventheargyll 3 years ago
To actually suggest this you have no foundation in reality. "Hell many of those soldiers served in Bosnia. But that's beside the point." Maybe because its not the point. Peacekeepers are different from soldiers engaged in military operations. "The dangers were just as big in Bosnia as they are in Afghanistan" No they were not. 320 UN, US, etc Troops killed in Bosnia, close to 5,000 in Afghanistan. Afghanistan had no roads because of the soviets and civil war you are lying or incredibly mistaken
scottyross00 3 years ago
hahaha maybe I'm both, but then maybe I've seen this for myself and you're the one incredibly mistaken. Maybe alot of things, Peacekeepers are still soldiers there bright eyes, only the mission is different. More deaths doesn't mean less danger there too, to think otherwise is silly. Talk to the soldiers engaged at the Medak Pocket and then tell me it was less dangerous. Afghanistan has roads, plenty of them at that.
raventheargyll 3 years ago
I never said peacekeepers aren't soldiers. Please point where I did. I never said more deaths meant more danger, but it does provide evidence there was significantly more danger. Afghanistan currently has about 4000 miles of roads but thats because of NATO, when we went in Afghanistan had no roads. Karzai said this himself.
scottyross00 3 years ago
"Peacekeepers are different from soldiers engaged in military operations" That alone implies that there's some kind of difference in soldiers from peackeeping to war. There is no difference, the soldiers are no different and the way everything is run is no different. The only thing that changes between the two are the rules of engagement and the intention of the mission. When we went to Afghanistan, there were roads, not as many as now, but I think you're taking Karzai WAY out of context.
raventheargyll 3 years ago
Okay I said "Peacekeepers are not soldiers engaged in military operation." This is just like saying peaceful Apples are not apples that are engaged in military operations.
I find this discussion a waste of time because I know Bosnia is nothing like Afghanistan and your changing of the subject is time consuming. You can feel free to keep commenting.
scottyross00 3 years ago
hahaha Shame really I was enjoying arguing with someone of atleast some intelligence. However, look to yourself for atleast half the blame for changing the subject. But fair's fair I guess, good arguing with you.
raventheargyll 3 years ago
Also, casualty numbers have nothing to do with how dangerous a place is. That's like saying World War II was more dangerous than the war in Iraq.
raventheargyll 3 years ago
The fighting stopped in 1995, the Canadian troops in Bosnia up until 2003 were peacekeepers. Can't even begin to compare those soldiers with those in Afghanistan. Afghanistan was the poorest country in the western hemisphere and still is. Afghanistan had barely any roads. It barely had schools. People don't have water.
The statement in question was: "No country has ever opposed the help we have demonstrated for 7 years and has ever been a success from it." And you have not even responded to it
scottyross00 3 years ago
One thing that you got to understand about the people who responded to you, is that most of them are sheeple. They believe what the media tells them, and if the media said that sand is sugar, they'd eat it. That's why they're responding to you the way they all do. I support you, however-keep it up.
Neville6000 3 years ago
One quick point though, if Bosnia isn't comparable to Afghanistan, then all the history points you made in your video have no bearing either. Bosnia had many of the same style of atrocities as Afghanistan, granted they were commited for different reasons, but they're still the same. That makes it more comparable than pretty much any war in Afghanistans history.
raventheargyll 3 years ago
Did you watch the video? Afghanistan can't be won because the NATO mission in Afghanistan is restrained to its borders. Bosnia didn't have an never-ending supply of resistance fighters flowing into the country. Bosnia never had a religious fundamentalist government. Bosnia doesn't have tribal populations that don't want government. Bosnia is not even close to Afghanistan on any level.
scottyross00 3 years ago
Did you read one of my earlier posts? We're not there to destroy the Taliban, and before you give me the "what the hell have we been doing there", The offencives we've gone on were to destroy their ability to disrupt the rebuilding and limit their ability to attack us. Winning and losing this war isn't your classic "destroy the enemy until there's no more". When Afghanistan is able to defend itself, we win, simple as that.
raventheargyll 3 years ago
I never said we were there to kick out the Taliban, I said Afghanistan had the Taliban, and I did so because you said this: "Bosnia had many of the same style of atrocities as Afghanistan." So tell me how Bosnia had the Taliban. Tell me how Bosnia allowed a similar government like the Taliban to take power.
scottyross00 3 years ago
I never said we were there to kick out the Taliban, I said Afghanistan had the Taliban, and I did so because you said this: "Bosnia had many of the same style of atrocities as Afghanistan." So tell me how Bosnia had the Taliban. Tell me how Bosnia allowed a similar government like the Taliban to take power.
scottyross00 3 years ago
Very interesting.
kingrexrex666 3 years ago
Your a colnerl and you oner of canadian soldiers
icy5000 3 years ago
huh?
scottyross00 3 years ago
To withdraw now would mean that those soldier's sacrifices, the ones who died and were wounded, were worthless, were nothing. I cannot fathom this, even to lose means something, to give up however, means nothing.
If I were not signing up I would not have even bothered to say this. But now there is far more potential, with the date extended to 2011, for others to fall and I would rather their sacrifices not be in vain
Kuisel88 4 years ago
Just wondering, what makes you think I have never been to Afghanistan? Why are you so negative? What do you hope to accomplish by you're name calling and insinuations?
scottyross00 4 years ago
The taliban must be finished before the Canadian soldiers leave.
The canadian soldiers are WINNING the war in Afganistan.
If the Americans did NOT get involved in the IRAQ war and instead of had more American troops in Afganistan then the Taliban would have been finished off already.
TeamSIckoEh 4 years ago
There are more than one group of people. The Other groups were members of the Northern Alliance. That is bad assumpsions since you are saying that all french people in QUEBEC support the BLOCK and the PQ and want quebec to separate from Canada.
You do NOT understand the history of Afganistan
TeamSIckoEh 4 years ago
The DURAND line is the most and evil thing has ever happened to our history, and the cause of all these fightings r because of that historical division. all u westerners are fucking EVIL.
AfghansWorld 4 years ago
I've been to Afghanistan, and until you've been there, save your assumptions and regurgitated rhetoric that no longer applies to our day and age to yourself. Until then, stay in your lane, which I take to be living a comfortable and safe life in Surburbia, while young men so much better than you sacrifice and suffer..... for what you will never understand, but it's so far from "nothing".
Clueless1313 4 years ago
What exactly did you quote by putting nothing in quotation marks? You know Why I went out of my lane? Because I vote, I'm a Canadian, I have a say. So you can tell me not to have an opinion, but what it shows is your hate of discussion and debate of ideas. I understand why you don't like my views, because I use logic.
scottyross00 4 years ago