N.B. DOCTORS actually DIAGNOSE depression as 'reactive', or 'neurotic' as well (for those who insist I'm INVENTING all of this, Lol). But there is not really TWO types of depression, there is only ONE ; sorry to disappoint anyone
..and prolong how bad we can feel. We then need THERAPY, even if medication helps us temporarily. The depression will NEVER be 'cured' unless we come to terms as best we can with our loss. When people assume NOTHING traumatic has happened to MAKE us depressed, many, including SOME doctors, pander to us without knowing enough about the individual, and declare it 'edogenous', as if it came by 'magic' ; it didn't. Scape the surface, go deep enough, and there's the source somewhere.
When we're upset, we get chemical changes which can make us feel tense, anxious, tired and depressed. We don't just get these changes out of nowhere. When we don't have enough chemicals because of the WAY we're feeling, (disappointed, rejected, traumatised, deprived of whatever, and suffered a loss of 'meaning structure', which is a loss of an image of ourselves or something we cling onto), we experience chemical changes as a result. It's a vicious circle, as the change in chemicals feel awful..
Let me SPOON feed the same few blinkered people who, jump to conclusions,want to see what they want to see in what I write and combine that with being star struck about someone like Ruby Wax, Lol. ALL DEPRESSION IS TO DO WITH CHEMICALS. FEELINGS INFLUENCE THE REGULATION OF CHEMICALS AND THEIR EFFECTS ON US BECAUSE OF THERE BEING LESS OR MORE, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. EMOTIONS HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE REGULATION OF THE CHEMICALS IN OUR BRAIN AND DETERMINES HOW WE FEEL.GOT IT NOW ?..DIDN'T THINK SO
....scratch the surface and what is often diagnosed as and supposed that had arrived from 'nowhere', and one always will eventually find 'reactive' reasons or ways of dealing with real fears and this is not to say the fears are imagined, but the mechanism /s used by an individual for the avoidance result in the feeling which is the symptom / s ; I.E. depression
@TheKenfig I'm afraid I must disagree; when you look at the chemical make-up of people's brains, those with depression have different levels of neurotransmitters like Serotonin and Dopamine, I would call this endogenous. Suggesting that someone 'makes' their depression is like suggesting they 'make' their cancer - it's nonsense. Sometimes depression can be triggered/exacerbated by external factors, but depression is the problem, not a symptom.
@TheKenfig Wow, you clearly DO NOT know what depression is. Things can help to trigger it for example fears but it is a CHEMICAL problem. "people make their own depression due to fear of whatever, then the attempted avoidance of enduring what they're affraid of results in the depression" What rubbish. It's not through being weak. One of my favourite quotes "Depression is not a sign of weakness, but rather a sign that you have been trying to be strong for too long".
@purewish Wow, I 'clearly' DO. You, it seems don't realise that I have NEVER said that depression is NOT a 'chemical' problem. But again, you're just another person who interprets what people write in the way they WANT to, with little thought and mere concern with what THEY want to say instead. ALSO, typically, as you have, people also interpret what I've written as 'People are weak' etc. I think you ought to THINK more, read more, listen more and then you'll appear less arrogant
Wax is a fuckin' idiot as she was on 'This Week' on BBC 1 last night shouting repeatedly in a loud, slow patronising way, "It's a DISEASE..OF.. THE..BRAIN". Depression is no such thing at all.There is no such thing as 'endogenous depression' entirely ; people make their own depression due to fear of whatever, then the attempted avoidance of enduring what they're affraid of results in the depression ; it's invariably deep rooted mechanisms of dealing with stuff from childhood.A series of patterns
@snifferdogx How arrogant. Besides, professional debate has longsince existed over the existence of 'endogenous' depression. ANY depression involves fluctuation in brain chemistry, even when the cause is a psychological trauma. Your apparent naivety and glib dismissal of classic, established and well documented psychiatric viewpoints is astounding really. Ever HEARD of 'reactive' depression, 'neurotic' depression, PTSD, etc etc etc etc ?. Also how did I give 'advice' to anyone ?
@TheKenfig ... Well said, depression is neither a disease nor is it an illness, it is a natural consequence of having unresolved issues (often from childhood) that cause a person to think, behave and engage in interpersonal relationship patterns that first create and then reinforce negative emotions.
@loutrick My fuckin' GOD !!. There was I,opening your comment expecting more abuse,and there you are ; someone who actually UNDERSTANDS it as many professionals do !.Many people on here neither read properly what I write,nor understand it and many blindly interpret it wrongly merely to bombard me with insults. Many only because they're fans of Ruby Wax.I expect and hope that you didn't miss ANY of my comments on this page as I responded with a few to avoid ambiguity or misunderstanding
@TheKenfig - I think I read most of your comments, don't disagree with anything you have said. My experience is that most people, even those who actually work in mental health, are pretty ignorant about the real causes of emotional/psychological problems! My favourite completely ignorant and totally wrong opinion is "it's genetic" :o)
@loutrick I think, as you know, most people do inherit personality 'types' and characteristics potential from parents,but as you know too,unstable people developed their neuroses from their parents BEHAVIOUR towards them,things they said to them like 'put downs', and things like 'people will think this or that of you' etc etc,which thwart kids' self confidence,esteem etc and hinder their emotional development. Unfortunately,those parents learned those neurotic traits from THEIR parents
Its great that someone like Ruby can raise awareness of this issue, much like John Kirwan has done in NZ. it doesn't matter who you are or what you've done depression can pay a visit.
I think she uses the diabetes analogy more to say that you can talk about it and get support for having diabetes whereas mental illness is still a taboo. People think you are going to do something weird. It's not peoples fault they have it for life and have to live with it.
It really annoys me when presenters like this say ''women with the illness''. Comments like this really do not help the stigma towards men with mental illness as it then starts to be labelled as a feminine thing. If this issue is going to be tackled once and for all then it needs to be tackled properly and addressing the fact that just as many men have mental illness although the statistics contradict this mostly because most cases with men go unreported because of silly attitudes like this!
I think when she states that the audience are like I'm like that too, that shouldnt be a surprise. We aren't supposed to be happy all the time, the materialistic culture which we live in dictates we must be continuously happy which is ridiculous. We're supposed to have bouts of depression whether they be chemical or social. We need to get back to our roots in communities and not feel alone.
I have been a fan of yours for a long time. The person who is closest to me in my life deals with mental illness. My insides are in constant knots over it. I love this person very much. It's hard to see him go through this. And we are too poor for proper care.
I have been a fan of yours for a long time. The person who is closest to me in the world deals with mental illness. My insidesares in constant knots over it. I love this person very much. It's hard to see him go hrough this. And we are too poor for proper care.
N.B. DOCTORS actually DIAGNOSE depression as 'reactive', or 'neurotic' as well (for those who insist I'm INVENTING all of this, Lol). But there is not really TWO types of depression, there is only ONE ; sorry to disappoint anyone
TheKenfig 1 week ago
..and prolong how bad we can feel. We then need THERAPY, even if medication helps us temporarily. The depression will NEVER be 'cured' unless we come to terms as best we can with our loss. When people assume NOTHING traumatic has happened to MAKE us depressed, many, including SOME doctors, pander to us without knowing enough about the individual, and declare it 'edogenous', as if it came by 'magic' ; it didn't. Scape the surface, go deep enough, and there's the source somewhere.
TheKenfig 1 week ago
When we're upset, we get chemical changes which can make us feel tense, anxious, tired and depressed. We don't just get these changes out of nowhere. When we don't have enough chemicals because of the WAY we're feeling, (disappointed, rejected, traumatised, deprived of whatever, and suffered a loss of 'meaning structure', which is a loss of an image of ourselves or something we cling onto), we experience chemical changes as a result. It's a vicious circle, as the change in chemicals feel awful..
TheKenfig 1 week ago
Let me SPOON feed the same few blinkered people who, jump to conclusions,want to see what they want to see in what I write and combine that with being star struck about someone like Ruby Wax, Lol. ALL DEPRESSION IS TO DO WITH CHEMICALS. FEELINGS INFLUENCE THE REGULATION OF CHEMICALS AND THEIR EFFECTS ON US BECAUSE OF THERE BEING LESS OR MORE, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. EMOTIONS HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE REGULATION OF THE CHEMICALS IN OUR BRAIN AND DETERMINES HOW WE FEEL.GOT IT NOW ?..DIDN'T THINK SO
TheKenfig 1 week ago
....scratch the surface and what is often diagnosed as and supposed that had arrived from 'nowhere', and one always will eventually find 'reactive' reasons or ways of dealing with real fears and this is not to say the fears are imagined, but the mechanism /s used by an individual for the avoidance result in the feeling which is the symptom / s ; I.E. depression
TheKenfig 2 weeks ago
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@TheKenfig I'm afraid I must disagree; when you look at the chemical make-up of people's brains, those with depression have different levels of neurotransmitters like Serotonin and Dopamine, I would call this endogenous. Suggesting that someone 'makes' their depression is like suggesting they 'make' their cancer - it's nonsense. Sometimes depression can be triggered/exacerbated by external factors, but depression is the problem, not a symptom.
LillianChasteau 2 weeks ago
@TheKenfig Wow, you clearly DO NOT know what depression is. Things can help to trigger it for example fears but it is a CHEMICAL problem. "people make their own depression due to fear of whatever, then the attempted avoidance of enduring what they're affraid of results in the depression" What rubbish. It's not through being weak. One of my favourite quotes "Depression is not a sign of weakness, but rather a sign that you have been trying to be strong for too long".
purewish 1 week ago
@purewish Wow, I 'clearly' DO. You, it seems don't realise that I have NEVER said that depression is NOT a 'chemical' problem. But again, you're just another person who interprets what people write in the way they WANT to, with little thought and mere concern with what THEY want to say instead. ALSO, typically, as you have, people also interpret what I've written as 'People are weak' etc. I think you ought to THINK more, read more, listen more and then you'll appear less arrogant
TheKenfig 1 week ago
Wax is a fuckin' idiot as she was on 'This Week' on BBC 1 last night shouting repeatedly in a loud, slow patronising way, "It's a DISEASE..OF.. THE..BRAIN". Depression is no such thing at all.There is no such thing as 'endogenous depression' entirely ; people make their own depression due to fear of whatever, then the attempted avoidance of enduring what they're affraid of results in the depression ; it's invariably deep rooted mechanisms of dealing with stuff from childhood.A series of patterns
TheKenfig 2 weeks ago
@TheKenfig Absolute rubbish, and I sincerely hope you do not dish out this "advice" to anyone.
snifferdogx 2 weeks ago
@snifferdogx How arrogant. Besides, professional debate has longsince existed over the existence of 'endogenous' depression. ANY depression involves fluctuation in brain chemistry, even when the cause is a psychological trauma. Your apparent naivety and glib dismissal of classic, established and well documented psychiatric viewpoints is astounding really. Ever HEARD of 'reactive' depression, 'neurotic' depression, PTSD, etc etc etc etc ?. Also how did I give 'advice' to anyone ?
TheKenfig 2 weeks ago
@TheKenfig ... Well said, depression is neither a disease nor is it an illness, it is a natural consequence of having unresolved issues (often from childhood) that cause a person to think, behave and engage in interpersonal relationship patterns that first create and then reinforce negative emotions.
loutrick 1 week ago
@loutrick My fuckin' GOD !!. There was I,opening your comment expecting more abuse,and there you are ; someone who actually UNDERSTANDS it as many professionals do !.Many people on here neither read properly what I write,nor understand it and many blindly interpret it wrongly merely to bombard me with insults. Many only because they're fans of Ruby Wax.I expect and hope that you didn't miss ANY of my comments on this page as I responded with a few to avoid ambiguity or misunderstanding
TheKenfig 6 days ago
@TheKenfig - I think I read most of your comments, don't disagree with anything you have said. My experience is that most people, even those who actually work in mental health, are pretty ignorant about the real causes of emotional/psychological problems! My favourite completely ignorant and totally wrong opinion is "it's genetic" :o)
loutrick 2 days ago
@loutrick I think, as you know, most people do inherit personality 'types' and characteristics potential from parents,but as you know too,unstable people developed their neuroses from their parents BEHAVIOUR towards them,things they said to them like 'put downs', and things like 'people will think this or that of you' etc etc,which thwart kids' self confidence,esteem etc and hinder their emotional development. Unfortunately,those parents learned those neurotic traits from THEIR parents
TheKenfig 2 days ago
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MsMsgracie 1 month ago
holy shit someone's had plastic surgery
hansl72 1 month ago
Its great that someone like Ruby can raise awareness of this issue, much like John Kirwan has done in NZ. it doesn't matter who you are or what you've done depression can pay a visit.
CChallinor 1 month ago
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lucycat02 6 months ago
I think she uses the diabetes analogy more to say that you can talk about it and get support for having diabetes whereas mental illness is still a taboo. People think you are going to do something weird. It's not peoples fault they have it for life and have to live with it.
lucycat02 6 months ago
i love her
smilelikeUmeanit90 6 months ago 2
It really annoys me when presenters like this say ''women with the illness''. Comments like this really do not help the stigma towards men with mental illness as it then starts to be labelled as a feminine thing. If this issue is going to be tackled once and for all then it needs to be tackled properly and addressing the fact that just as many men have mental illness although the statistics contradict this mostly because most cases with men go unreported because of silly attitudes like this!
Mr123Pauli 10 months ago 18
@Mr123Pauli Exactly what I was just about to type.
whirlybrrrd 1 week ago
I think when she states that the audience are like I'm like that too, that shouldnt be a surprise. We aren't supposed to be happy all the time, the materialistic culture which we live in dictates we must be continuously happy which is ridiculous. We're supposed to have bouts of depression whether they be chemical or social. We need to get back to our roots in communities and not feel alone.
grindedizzle 1 year ago 3
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I have been a fan of yours for a long time. The person who is closest to me in my life deals with mental illness. My insides are in constant knots over it. I love this person very much. It's hard to see him go through this. And we are too poor for proper care.
brttcm8 1 year ago
I have been a fan of yours for a long time. The person who is closest to me in the world deals with mental illness. My insidesares in constant knots over it. I love this person very much. It's hard to see him go hrough this. And we are too poor for proper care.
brttcm8 1 year ago
Ruby, you rock ;)
ballerina444 1 year ago 5
@ballerina444 Totaly agree!!
34point5ish 7 months ago
I love Ruby!
alspence 1 year ago 2