As if anyone is going to stop using contraception because of these two geeks, contraception rules, all the sex you want, without having a creation of a brat in 9 months !
Well, I guess your comment derives from a grave ignorance of the biochemical facts of contraception.
Even secularists are acknowledging the scientific reality of what contraception does to women. Youtube search for this video "Sex Drive & The Birth Control Pill, Does The Pill Ruin Sex for Girls?"
But I understand if you don't want to be informed. Information leads to a healthy sense of responsibility.
Well look at your bigot mouth trying to talk about religion when the conversation is about biological facts and trying to frustrate nature with chemistry.
How shameful is that, you're ok with pumping women full of chemicals in order to frustrate a biological process that occurs naturally so that people can have orgasms. You treat the female body like a robotic orgasm dispenser and then have the nerve to spin some played out story about homosexuals raping boys.
I didn't see anything about religion in this video.
I didn't read anything about religion in my comment.
If all you have time for is bigotry against religion then you are going to get completely schooled in a conversation about the biological facts of chemical contraception.
No, because you came here to defecate on people who are acutely aware of the biological facts surrounding chemical contraception. That's why you're a coward. You attack anyone who has a scientifically backed argument that contradicts your world view. And you are extremely rude about it which is called posturing. It's a misguided attempt to make up for your intellectual inadequacy.
@CatholicAmerican No, I came here coz it appeared at the end of an (unrelated) video I watched, I can use condoms if i want, and my girlfriend can use the pill if she wants!
I did say it was a secularist video when I recommended it.
You can slam your sexual anatomy in the door of a car too, but just because you want it, doesn't make it healthy or ordered human behavior.
I linked the video because it shows how the evidence is so overwhelming that the pill devastates a healthy female body. It messes up her endocrine system. And all so that people can have a disorderedly robust sex life.
Where's the love in condoms. You use rubber to essentially turn male anatomy into a dildo.
"I love you, but I don't love all of you. Put this plastic on so that I can have an orgasm" Yeah, that sounds like a great sex life.
Condoms don't protect against HPV and now HPV is the largest STD in the world, so great job telling kids that condoms = safe sex. Condoms exacerbate the spread of STDs. It's a failed social experiment and you bought it.
@CatholicAmerican Who said anything about love??? I emotionally attach myself from most of my sexual partners, when I go out to a nightclub and hook up with some girl, I don't love her, she just makes me horny! Fuck HPV, the world is full of diseases, smoking causes lung cancer, drinking destroys your liver, but most of society still do all these things! I'd rather enjoy life than spend it living like a monk, the thought is not very appealing!
You're trying to paint a false picture of what it really is to live a coherent life. You're trying to justify disordered behavior by mischaracterizing ordered behavior.
You don't need to be religious to observe the fact that humans have the capacity to learn what is right and wrong. Ordered and disordered.
Human sex organs and reproductive cells produce new humans. When you go sinking your junk around town, you are engaging in behavior that will one day make you a dad. If you don't stay around to raise that child, the results are in, that child has a greater chance of entering a life of crime. Your actions matter.
You stick reproductive organs in digestive organs. That's pretty biologically incompetent. But hey, it's all about the tingle for you right.
I don't do that because it's disordered sexual behavior. The digestive tract is not a sex organ. I have a brain and I use it. We don't make up the rules of reality and if we try to, we screw things up for ourselves and others. There are volumes and volumes of history books that attest to that fact.
@CatholicAmerican Well you call anal sex disorderly, so I suppose you hate gay men who practice this, let people live their lives, and I hope you get struck down with a disease, preferably Polio!
Oh and my cock is not my reproductive organ, it's what fuck with and piss out of!
If you don't want to hear the Truth then stop posting ignorant comments.
Your "cock" is a reproductive organ weather you like it or not. The fact that you use a condom to try and block it's natural reproductive function is convicting proof. You can't just say words and all of a sudden it's reality. If your "cock" isn't a reproductive organ then stop using a condom. But you're not so ignorant about the biological facts now are you. Am I getting through? Or are you still posturing.
If you want to use your reproductive organ as if it's not a reproductive organ then you have to figure out some way to thwart nature and so you choose to wrap it in plastic.
That makes you nothing more than a dildo dude. That's not a man. That's a tool.
Look, I respect your free will to act like a tool. You're just going to have to respect my free will to logically point out how you are acting like a tool.
You've been conditioned to think your body works in a way that it really doesn't. You have to chemically trick a human body or put on a road block in order to use the human body the way you "choose" to.
But intelligent people are here to point out your disordered behavior. Live with it.
@CatholicAmerican No, I don't respect you pointing out anything, because I don't care about you,I am intelligent actually, I have a University education and a secure career, many intelligent people have sex lives,
Just stop annoying me, I don't like talking to narrow minded bigots like you!
If you're using a condom and turning your sexual anatomy into a dildo, then you are not having a "sex life". You are just practicing self delusion. You're just masturbating and masturbation is an imitation of sex. It isn't the real thing. What you call a "sex life" is really a life of imitation. But I guess if the music in the club is bumping hard enough, reality doesn't tend to matter very much.
My pity for you is a sign of respect. Men shouldn't live the way you do.
@CatholicAmerican well some men do live like that and we're still fucking, what you do is 'make love', ! I have respect actually, what I do is private! off, now piss off I'm over this now I've blocked you yet you keep responding, I won't respond to your next message you cunt!
You display a tragic downgrading of human intellect.
Quick biology lesson. Human sexual anatomy has a specific purpose and function. Male anatomy is designed to deploy a male gamete into close proximity of where a female gamete will arrive.
Human gametes only join in a heterosexual way and can not join in a homosexual way.
Any act that tries to disrupt this natural string of events is disordered according to biological science.
Real men stick up for reality and call a disorder a disorder. Cowards surround themselves with people who will blindly validate their world view no matter how flawed and inconsistent it is.
I'm calling you to be a real man and stop acting like a coward.
Real men scrutinize the behavior of others and are not afraid to coherently explain where a society has messed up and pursued objectively disordered behavior.
@CatholicAmerican You're a stupid man who thinks all us women are pure, well I like it in both holes, i havn't had double penetration yet but I will, and I want to be a pornstar!
So stop going on about how women don't like sex coz we love it, you're just a caveman!
You religious freaks piss me off coz you pretend 'God' is the reason you hate gay people!
@CatholicAmerican You're a stupid man who thinks all us women are pure, well I like it in both holes, i havn't had double penetration yet but I will, and I want to be a pornstar!
So stop going on about how women don't like sex coz we love it, you're just a caveman!
You religious freaks piss me off coz you pretend 'God' is the reason you hate gay people!
I'm not here to do anything but present the clear and undeniable biological facts of human sexual anatomy and the devastating effects that the contraceptive mentality has on society turning people into slaves of impulse instead of rational human beings who consider the consequences of disordered behavior.
I don't care what you respect. I never asked you to respect me or my church. In fact, you're the only one who keeps bringing up religion.
All I know is that my wife never had to worry about me spreading any kind of disease to her because she's the only one I've ever slept with. That's a real man, and it reaps a real man's reward in bed. I pity what you get.
I don't look down on you. I just pity you.
You don't live. You don't lift up anyone or build anything. You just take and use.
@CatholicAmerican Just like the majority then! So many people sleep around and have affairs, men AND women do this, fuck you and your wife. I have a great life actually, great job, great family, great friends, and if I want to fuck around then I can, I am my own person and don't need a god wod like you giving me a lecture! Go stick your rosary beads up your wife's cunt!
Now you're just providing me with the classic example of how someone who treats sex like you do, doesn't have an ounce of respect for his fellow man. It's a pity. The world needs good men. We already have enough world rapers.
@CatholicAmerican I've never raped anyone!!! You fuck-rag!!! I don't have an ounce of respect for you! 'Fellow man' that's religious talk! Just stop commenting and go say your prayers!
I didn't read your latest comment correctly when I posted my first response to it.
How about instead of using youtube to vainly self indulge in your worldview; you use youtube instead to inform your world view with facts. I'm just saying.
@CatholicAmerican So were all supposed to get married??? Fuck that! We will all die eventually, so if we want to be promiscuous and and use protection well at least we will have fun doing it!
It's all fun till she says she's pregnant. Then where will you be? If you don't start acting like a man now. You won't act like a man if that time comes.
Stop acting like a child and pretending that your actions don't affect the society you live in.
When was the last time you took an STD test?
Are you positive that you aren't spreading stuff around right now?
@CatholicAmerican I've never had an STD, I got tested five days ago, and all clear, and I do act like a man, and when I'm older I will still sleep around, fuck the society I live in!
lol blue balls vs condom? Yea i'll just use a condom... Is it unchristian to be responsible? lol hell, i was raised in a church and this still bugs me...
Please don't take this as a negative comment...i am simply curious. I have heard about NFP before...I admit I do not completely understand all the complexities of it...but my question is...what if you want to have sex whenever you want? especially as newleyweds? I am engaged and I proclaim to be a follower of Jesus Christ so I am just curious.
@faithhcollege The thing about NFP is, you can have sex basically whenever, except during that period of time during fertility. That is usually about 2 to 3 days, unless intercourse took place before ovulation, which could mean about 5 days. Either way, a 5 day period of abstinence should be bearable between a man and woman if they practice chastity with the understanding that sex is fruitful and God's gift of fertility shouldn't be fought against artificially.
With condoms, the action you are taking is one of selfishness and using your partner as an object for pleasure.
With NFP you are not taking an action, you are using INACTION, which is philosophically significantly different than taking a positive action. The REAL important difference is that with NFP you are respecting your partner and using SELF CONTROL rather than using a foreign object as a barrier between you and your partner.
What is the moral difference between abstaining because you don't want a kid, versus using a condom because you don't want a kid? In both circumstances you are behaving a certain way hoping not to have a kid. Both methods fail sometimes, so both are equally open to life.
@amen4me Ah, ok, then--cycling. Why is it worse to use condoms than to cycle? Both are actions taken when a child isn't wanted, and both fail sometimes so could be open to life.
And why do Catholics advocate cycling? Just go ahead and have sex whenver and if God wants you to have a baby you will and if not you won't.
I'd love to discuss this more in depth (ie: seriously, not this parody vid) with you (if you're interested) but the comments section on this video isn't it.
Being pro choice does not mean abortion or not wanting children. It is best to plan a head and decide when you are ready to have children. Having the money to start a family is most importune, along with a stable job, medical benefits and being ready to start a family too. Being married is not an obligation to have children, plus there are risk involved to in having children. Be ready first and plan in advance!
Hey could you please do subtitles for this videos, I would like to translate them to portuguese...I can't understand everthing that was said in this video for exemplo..could you do that for me ? thanks
Take it from someone tha tived in depravity for years and finally began using NFP. My marriage truly blossomed. My wife and I are finally in love rather than lust and our intimacy is much better as there is a whole new depth to it. It takes discipline and self-mastery - both of which are good for humanity.
The sexual union between man and wife is meant to be holy. NFP nurtures this aspect of the sexual relationship betwen husband and wife. Not unlike the love between the Father and the Son begetting the Holy Spirit, marriage reflects a similar relationship - the love betwen a husband and wife begets children - more love. Study the Theology Of The Body.
God gives us the gift of sexuality. Thus our sexuality is a gift - something we give, not something we take from someone else. If you can't say no to yourself, then what does your yes mean? No much. Abstaining for periods causes a relationship to mature and for spouses (especially the male) to love and respect the other more and to look at them as more than just a sexual object to be used for self-gratification. It also makes the times you do engage that much more pleasurable.
If the entire point of NFP is to discover when a woman is least fertile in order to have sex during those times, how exactly do they have sex "whenever they want to"?
@jazzycj27 yes and that is why so manny chatolic countries have so manny unwanted premancys and high children mortality rate. planted pregmacy is better then unwated one. allso lack of contraseption is reason for high abortion rates in chatolic countries. us condom, its one of the oldest invetions ever. pregnacys is a good thing but it can be bad thing too, and not only to you but your children and mate. i sugest you rethink your stance on contraseption.
@YesHipsLox They can't silly or risk making a baby! But remember that conservative Catholics don't see NFP as a form of birth control, so that isn't a risk to their way of thinking. See, you can have sex whenever you want.
Sex when the woman can't get pregnant is openness to life?
Sex when her body is telling her to nest, not be passionate?
Besides, these guys will never have to face the consequences of their philosophical beliefs, so why are they so interested??? If they have so much time can they babysit for me tonight?
NFP is AWESOME. And the LAM method works! My husband is getting lucky tonight. We're open to a fantastic sex life, open to communication, open to LIFE! I love love love NFP!!! right on!
Thanks for making the point of the seminarians in the video better than they ever could have...People that are sharing themselves with their husbands or wives in the way God wants them to, aren't ashamed to talk about it openly and if you think they should be, shame on you...God bless you for sharing Liz...
@jayroe1234 : Liz, I see you are a KoolAid drinker too. I hope it goes well for you. The most sexually repressed people - in speech and action - I know are conservative Catholics who are so modest in speech they never talk about "private matters". And the best part is: you know that but you thought the other readers would fall for a weak rhetorical trick like the one you just pulled. These clowns don't make that point because they aren't married - as I said in my comment.
@zoonomia Once again, making the opposite point in your comments. Liz doesn't seem to be holding back because it is a "private matter", as you call it. However, you are quick to tell her not to share or use a fake name. Careful, I think your sexual repression is showing Zoo. Anyway, thank you for restoring my faith in the internet to bring the truth to the light, even when some would try and bury the truth, because the light hurts their eyes.
@jayroe1234 : Liz, I see you are a KoolAid drinker too. I hope it goes well for you. The most sexually repressed people - in speech and action - I know are conservative Catholics who are so modest in speech they never talk about "private matters". And the best part is: you know that but you thought the other readers would fall for a weak rhetorical trick like the one you just pulled. These clowns don't make that point because they aren't married - as I said in my comment.
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It's one thing to challenge the youth to delay sexual activity until they are older. It's another thing to scare them with propaganda and tell them a condom is a "provision for sin".
Head over to my website and I'll show you the 3 Quick & Dirty Facts the 'Christian' Right will never tell you about premarital sex in the Bible.
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I really hope these guys are just been satirical because the points they bring up are possibly the most retarded arguements I have ever heard! Especially the one about talking!
So what's your response to their other points? You attack them on the subjective point about "talking" but not the scientific claims? Theirs something backwards their.
They say they are comparing contraception to an organisation. False. They are comparing one form of contraception... the pill. obviously singling this form out over, say... condoms because it is a much easier target. If not... why don't they bring up the same points while talking about condoms? What scientific claim? Are you telling me it has been scientifically proven that couples that don't discuss the EXACT time they are going to have sex also completely abstain from talking altogether? BULL!
Fellow Christians,There is a "hate crimes bill" S909 that was devised by the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith in order to criminalize Christianity. Any Good Christian who stands up for traditional marriage or who protests the murder of millions of babies by abortion will be subject to possible fines or jail time. Check out truthtellers and watch Rev Ted Pike's videos explaining the danger and then call your Senators toll free at 877-851-6437 and tell them NO on S.909 Save our Constitution.
One baby is aborted every 24 seconds 147 babies are aborted every hour 3,542 babies are aborted every day 24,865 babies are aborted every week 107,750 babies are aborted every month Abortion is Murder is this blood on your hands The Mother Is Guilty For the act The Dad Is guilty for not protecting his child You shall not murder it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the JUDGEMENT: whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord SHAL BE SAVED
Why do pro-lifers always have a holier than thou attitude? What happened to being gods humble servant? Do you actually read the bible before you pass judgement? Or do you just HATE across the board? Need I remind you, your god gladly kills children. Hosea 13:16 "their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords." Exodus 12:29 "the LORD struck down all the firstborn in the land of Egypt."
The best argument that I can think of to justify this kind of slaughter of innocent children and aborted foetuses would be their parents/people were sinners; however Ezekiel 18: 18-20
says, "...So the father will die because of his sin... The person who sins will die. A son will not be punished for his father's sins, and a father will not be punished for his son's sins. The righteousness of the righteous person will be his own, and the wickedness of the wicked person will be his own."
As long as you can live with and worship a baby killing, eugenist who will slaughter an entire generation on a whim because these little babies (who except for original sin, are totally innocent) were unclean spirits.
Actually it was god as the incarnation of Jesus (according to the catholic trinity), who is technically the son of god. God opened the gates of heaven due to his son's sacrifice.
Either that or we got the whole Easter thing backwards and Nietzsche was right to say „Gott ist tot! Gott bleibt tot! Und wir haben ihn getötet! Wie trösten wir uns, die Mörder aller Mörder?" -"God is dead! God remains dead! and we killed him! How do we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers?"
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die." Exodus 21:22 "When men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage... If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth." Reparations are paid for her injuries not her child's.
Hosea 9:11-16 "Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts... yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb."
... Numbers 5:11-21 "If a man's wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him by sleeping with another man... causes you to have a miscarrying womb and barrenness"
2 Kings 15:16"At that time Menahem, starting out from Tirzah, attacked Tiphsah and everyone in the city and its vicinity, because they refused to open their gates. He sacked Tiphsah and ripped open all the pregnant women."
1 Samuel 15:3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything... children and infants... "
Psalms 135:8"He slew the firstborn of Egypt from man even unto beast"
Psalms 136:10"Give thanks to the one who killed the firstborn males in Egypt- because his mercy endures forever"
Psalms 137:9"How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones Against the rock"
Isaiah 13:16-18"Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes...Their bows will slaughter the young men; they will have no mercy on the fruit of the womb; their eyes will not pity children"
Jeremiah 19:7-9, Lamentations 2:20-22, Leviticus 26:30, 2 Kings 6:28-29 all deal with cannibalism on the parents behalf. Would you kill your child, or eat them after the fact?
@skamic88 - You can quote chapter and verse ad nauseam, but until you back it up with solid substance (i.e. you understand ALL of the factors which caused chapter and verse to become what they are), your message is totally and completely worthless!
People are going to use whatever works for them.. the FDA might be biased against natural methods, but people who are for the natural methods are biased against chemical methods. if technology and conception are evil, then i am assuming that you are against artificial insemination as well, Mary. A method that has helped many families conceive and have healthy, happy babies of their own
Yet if a woman uses condoms for a considerable amount of time and then goes off of it to have a baby then she is at risk for a high blood pressure condition called preeclampsia which is life threatening to the mother and can cause the baby to have a premature birth. And babies that are born premature are known to have learning diabilities, cerebral palsy, epilepsy, blindness, and deafness.
Great spoof, guys, and I might add, good information, too.
Birth control pills not only are bad for women's health, lowering their immune systems, they are polluting waterways in heavily populated areas. NFP has NO negative side effects, and a lot of positives, like improved communication between partners and a greater respect for the fertility of the woman. This is probably why the divorce rate for people who practice NFP is very, very low.
NFP has no negative side effects, but it doesn't really have any effects. Every couple I know of that uses NFP has a large family, my own included. I'm not saying that's bad, I'm just saying NFP is not effective. All the theology in the world cannot feed a child or pay bills. Celibate clergy will never understand that any more than I will understand what it's like to be celibate.
I believe that's one reason the clergy remains celibate. What parish could support 3 priests, 3 wives & 20 kids?
It works, because I've used it for years without ever getting pregnant by accident. People who say it doesn't work really mean that they didn't abstain when they were supposed to avoid pregnancy. Funny, artificial contraception doesn't work either when you don't use it the way you're directed.
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what's so bad about abortions? my girlfriend has had 6 of tehm and shes fine. just imagin if she wouldve had 6 babies, we would be over $9000 in debt right now!!!1
The pill is 99% effective. For the vast majority of women, there are no significant side effects. NFP is fine, but not as effective. Bottom line is, they both accomplish EXACTLY the same thing. There is no moral superiority on either side.
There is a big difference in morality with the two. NFP is natural, the way God had planned it to work. By using artificial contraception, we mess with God's plan about how the human body works. Think about euthanasia, the goal is to kill the person, but by natural death the person would die anyways. God made it so that the person dies a natural death, not that we take control of his plan. Same thing goes for NFP and contracepti. We make ourselves more poweful than God by messing with his plan
Humans are always messing with "..how the human body works". We interfere with all kinds of natural bodily functions all the time with inumerable medications and operations. Is circumcision immoral? How about cutting your hair or nails? What about organ transplants? Sounds like major interference to me!
Should we use antacids? Anti-gas tablets? Antibiotics? Who's to say that contraception is "immoral" if no human life is taken or harmed? Again, NFP and the "pill" accomplish the SAME goal,
All the examples you mentioned are hygienic and improve the health of the body. Artfl contraceptives dehumanize the person and turns sex into an act of selfish lust. The husband and wife cease to be gifts to each other & instead become objects of lust to satisfy mere pleasure and selfish desires.This is NOT what God intended. NFP respects the natural signs that God gives us. The pill injects synthetic hormones into the woman & kills a human life after conception part of the time. HUGE difference
"Selfish lust"? What a ridiculous insult to the millions of loving, committed husbands and wives who use contraception! "Cease to be gifts to each other"?? Absurd to the extreme. What moronic and rash judgements. Statements like those only serve to illustrate the irrational extremes some will go to to defend their indefensible views. And by the way, the pill saves lives! Ovulation is greatly reduced resulting in far fewer fertilized eggs being "naturally" aborted!
NFP strengthens the bond between a man and woman by them abstaining from sex during the times that is necessary. This gives them a greater love for who the person is and makes them love them not just for their body. Over 50% of marriages end of in divorce. The number for couples who use NFP is 2-5%. The stats show that it clearly helps couples love eachother and it makes families stronger by the parents having respect for themselves and the great love to hold back from sex when needed.
Total conjecture. NFP couples have a divorce rate of 2-5%??? Please cite your source for that statistic. You seem convinced that couples who use contraception somehow have inferior, lust-filled, less respectful marriages. I doubt very much there's a shred of evidence to back up that claim. It is merely your opinion. Once again, NFP and artificial contraception aim for and achieve the SAME result. They are morally equivalent.
Actually, my friend...i do have sources for that statistic. I have heard it in two talks and one bible study, and there are multiple studies that have shown that. The two talks are from professor Janet Smith in her talk "Contraception, Why not?" And the second one is from Christopher west who speaks on Pope John Paul II's theology of the body.
Pacisdiligo, as much as you want to convince yourself that nfp & artificial contraception (AC) are morally equivalent it won't work. It's a bankrupt argument. NFP respects the natural law while AC works against it. AC treats fertility as a disease with pills, surgical operations, condome, IUD's, etc. when fertility is a natural, healthy and blessed condition. If you have been using AC I urge you to stop and go to confession ASAP because you are living a life of evil according to church teaching
And as much as you want to convince yourself that artificial contraception is somehow wrong is logically and factually indefensible. Your position is strictly a religious one and does not stand up to the facts. No need for confession, there is no sin involved.
Pacisdiligo, if you are a Catholic Christian and your are contracepting then you are living in evil. There is sin involved. Check the following quote from the catechism:
Every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible, is intrinsically evil
1) wrong the pill dose not "inject" anything (injecting involves a liquid of sorts). The molecular shape, make-up, and structure of synthetic hormones is identical to that of natural hormones found in the body. Yes with the latest data, they have found a slight increase in breast cancer (one, which has a high survival rate); however the risk goes back to 0 after 3-5 years off the pill. The risk seems statistically insignificant...
... Moreover, the pill reduces the risk of other more deadly cancers like endometrial and ovarian cancers.
2) No, the pill overrides the LH and FSH surges, therefore no ovulation. In pregnant women, the progesterone levels would be even higher.
3) Where did you get this number from? If we go back to number 2) for just one second and see how the pill works. Look, the hormones (derived from plant based hormones) overrides the LH and FSH surges making them undetectable...
... This prevents ovulation; therefore no ovum yields no no fertilization. Whit no fertilization means no abortion. The thinning endometrium (bloody stuff on the walls of the uterus) coincides with ovulation suppression. Also medically speaking the rare occurrence would not even result in an "abortion" due to the fact that pregnancy starts after implantation.
So I don't see how women are hurting their bodies just so men can have sex (not like women enjoy sex anyway!) I'm sure that there are many women who are free of men's influence. These vary women use contraception for their own enjoyment.
in the context of a stable marriage, NFP can only improve the marriage relationship. The man is more aware of his wife's body and has more appreciation of her. The woman is more aware of her fertility and is not using any unnatural means. The conjugal act is not encumbered with barriers like condoms, IUD's, surgical operations, or synthetic chemicals. It seems to me that it would be evil not to promote NFP since it's so natural and so rewarding. Why don't you try taking an NFP class to see?
In the context of a stable marriage everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I doubt that IUDs and surgical sterolization, or chemicals get in the way (hence doing it before sex, like the pill and the other 2 are a one shot deal with no worrying for a prolonged period of time). I agree, everyone should know about how the body works. Different strokes, for different folks.
No, because they are not. It causes both cellular and biochemical changes that are toxic to sperm. In studies done on sexually active IUD users no fertilized eggs have been found in the uterine cavity. The theorized inflammatory reaction in the endometrium has been proven to be false.
see for your self, google IUD mechanism of action
skamic88, I understand that pregnancy starts after implantation, but LIFE begins at conception. If you don't believe that then we should probably stop talking. If you do believe that LIFE begins at CONCEPTION then you should be concerned about the small percentage of time that the pill is an abortificient. If people use other contraceptives like the IUD then the chance of it being abortificient is a lot higher. So contraception is EVIL because it is not natural. It hurts women & marriages
how easily you forget Cell Theory; both haploid cells (egg and sperm) are very much alive. Once again where are you getting your information from? The mechanism of action for the IUD are the release of copper and copper salts changing the uterine chemistry and also allowing the sperm to phagocytize (engulf) these ions. Also the object in a body cavity draws lukecytes (white blood cells) to try to attack it and also attack the sperm. The copper IUD also appears to directly affect oocytes (egg).
skamic88, the pill is supposed to work in three ways:
1- it prevents ovulation (which is most of the time)
2- prevents conception (prevents sperm from reaching the egg)
3- prevents implantation of a fertilized egg into the uterine wall and that is ABORTION. As far as percentage of the time that it does this whether it's 2% or 5% or even .001% it doesn't matter. The main point here is that there is a chance that the pill can be abortifiicent. You seem OK with it. I'm not. I think it's evil
2. It thickens the cervical mucus and therefore hinders the sperm from reaching the ovum. So yes, also correct.
3. Going on the assumption that both above stated mechanisms have failed (slim seeing as how the pill has an overall failure rate of 1-2 out of 100 according to the FDA) then the due to the thiner lining the ovum may not implant. However this dose not take into account the type of pill...
... Estrogen was originally added to stabilize the endometrium (later found to also suppress ovulation). Moreover the secondary mechanisms have only been hypothesized. Lastly, seeing as how pregnancy has yet to start it is not an abortion, nor is it an abortifacient. Also seeing as how an assumed 75-80% of all diploid zygotes never naturally implant, NFP would also have to be defined as an abortifacient...
... In fact seeing as how the primary mechanism is to suppress ovulation, there is less of a chance for the egg to be flushed out with out implanting. It can be argued that NFP is more of an abortifacient, then hormonal contraception.
skamic88, You do admit that the pill introcuces synthetic hormones that are not natural into the woman's body. You don't see any evil with subjecting a woman to this constant dosage of synthetic hormones? So why not just do it naturally and use NFP? You also admit that there is an increase in the chance of getting breast cancer but you call it insignificant and you don't seem to see any evil in that. That's your opinion. I refuse to subject my wife or my daughter to it when they can use NFP
No actually they are the same (or almost the same) as the hormones made in your gonads. Especially when the hormones are derived from plant (or before that animal based) hormones. How exactly can an inadament object be evil? "Statistically insignificant" means the data shows no clear pattern or correlation. It is not opinion, it is the non-biased facts reported in scientific journals. Regarding your wife and daughter that is you opinion, and I hope acknowledge that they can have their opinions.
skamic88, artificial contraception is evil because it uses chemicals and gadgets to treat the body for the healthy condition of fertility that doesn't not need any treatment. You give a pill to a woman who is sick. You shouldn't encourage healthy women to take pills when they can use natural methods to regulate pregnancies. I don't force my wife and daughter to do anything but I encourage them to only use natural methods, show them the facts with love thus honoring their dignity.
If pills are only given to sick people then what would you call vitamins? Fine use the natural method if you are ok with the high failure rate of 20% (FDA). I personally would not put my loved ones in such a predicament.
I wouldn't trust the FDA's numbers. For one, they are biased in that they are a government organization and can regulate medication, but can't regulate natural methods. Also, I would estimate that a large percentage of that stat aren't abiding by the guidelines, which throws everything else off. This, of course, is simply a concern. I have no proof, I am only saying that I would be skeptical of those numbers.
Also, my wife and I use a natural method and can say first hand that it is 100% effective.....we are getting the result that we are supposed to get 100% of the time, without interference from hormone-altering meds or our own selfishness. Neither one of us has to wonder whether or not we are interfering too much with the plan God has for us. I also am getting a tangible, life-changing lesson on my selfish ways and am recieving a blessing in order to change. I call that 100% effective.
Ah a statistician, well the same goes for all of our friends who live the same way. Still not as many "subjects" as you would like, but then again, would you ever be convinced? Funny how people are so strongly against stances and positions that require the most effort and take away from our personal "freedoms?"
46 ppl don't "really" know what sex IS and how beautiful it truly is
Wired4Life2 5 months ago
As if anyone is going to stop using contraception because of these two geeks, contraception rules, all the sex you want, without having a creation of a brat in 9 months !
jasiekel86 6 months ago
@jasiekel86
Well, I guess your comment derives from a grave ignorance of the biochemical facts of contraception.
Even secularists are acknowledging the scientific reality of what contraception does to women. Youtube search for this video "Sex Drive & The Birth Control Pill, Does The Pill Ruin Sex for Girls?"
But I understand if you don't want to be informed. Information leads to a healthy sense of responsibility.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican Spare me the lecture, some of us don't believe in God, therefore have no obligation to stay celibate!
And most people hate children and don't want them, so contraception helps prevent that!
Stop imposing your Catholic views on me and go back to raping schoolboys!
jasiekel86 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
Well look at your bigot mouth trying to talk about religion when the conversation is about biological facts and trying to frustrate nature with chemistry.
How shameful is that, you're ok with pumping women full of chemicals in order to frustrate a biological process that occurs naturally so that people can have orgasms. You treat the female body like a robotic orgasm dispenser and then have the nerve to spin some played out story about homosexuals raping boys.
That's pretty weak.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
I didn't see anything about religion in this video.
I didn't read anything about religion in my comment.
If all you have time for is bigotry against religion then you are going to get completely schooled in a conversation about the biological facts of chemical contraception.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican Your user name gives away the fact that you're a God botherer!
jasiekel86 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
You are avoiding the real topic. You are using religion to do so. It's an act of cowardliness.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican Cowardliness??? How coz I approve of contraception and use it daily???
jasiekel86 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
No, because you came here to defecate on people who are acutely aware of the biological facts surrounding chemical contraception. That's why you're a coward. You attack anyone who has a scientifically backed argument that contradicts your world view. And you are extremely rude about it which is called posturing. It's a misguided attempt to make up for your intellectual inadequacy.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican No, I came here coz it appeared at the end of an (unrelated) video I watched, I can use condoms if i want, and my girlfriend can use the pill if she wants!
jasiekel86 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
I did say it was a secularist video when I recommended it.
You can slam your sexual anatomy in the door of a car too, but just because you want it, doesn't make it healthy or ordered human behavior.
I linked the video because it shows how the evidence is so overwhelming that the pill devastates a healthy female body. It messes up her endocrine system. And all so that people can have a disorderedly robust sex life.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican I hate all this 'women are fragile' 'women don't like sex' crap!! I presume your a man!
jasiekel86 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
Where's the love in condoms. You use rubber to essentially turn male anatomy into a dildo.
"I love you, but I don't love all of you. Put this plastic on so that I can have an orgasm" Yeah, that sounds like a great sex life.
Condoms don't protect against HPV and now HPV is the largest STD in the world, so great job telling kids that condoms = safe sex. Condoms exacerbate the spread of STDs. It's a failed social experiment and you bought it.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican Who said anything about love??? I emotionally attach myself from most of my sexual partners, when I go out to a nightclub and hook up with some girl, I don't love her, she just makes me horny! Fuck HPV, the world is full of diseases, smoking causes lung cancer, drinking destroys your liver, but most of society still do all these things! I'd rather enjoy life than spend it living like a monk, the thought is not very appealing!
jasiekel86 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
"Living like a monk"?
You're trying to paint a false picture of what it really is to live a coherent life. You're trying to justify disordered behavior by mischaracterizing ordered behavior.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican Fuck you!!! I have never murdered anyone, I work hard and if I want to have sex then I am allowed, I don't have to obey your 'God'!
Sad that you believe there is a man in the sky watching you!
jasiekel86 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
"your 'God'" nothing.
You don't need to be religious to observe the fact that humans have the capacity to learn what is right and wrong. Ordered and disordered.
Human sex organs and reproductive cells produce new humans. When you go sinking your junk around town, you are engaging in behavior that will one day make you a dad. If you don't stay around to raise that child, the results are in, that child has a greater chance of entering a life of crime. Your actions matter.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican Well that's what contraception is for, to enjoy sex and not have a brat at the end of it! And anal sex doesn't produce a child!
Nice to see you stereotype single parents!
Most of us lose interest in our partner once we cum, and I mostly cum on their faces anyway!
jasiekel86 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
Oh, so you use an anus like a vagina?
You stick reproductive organs in digestive organs. That's pretty biologically incompetent. But hey, it's all about the tingle for you right.
I don't do that because it's disordered sexual behavior. The digestive tract is not a sex organ. I have a brain and I use it. We don't make up the rules of reality and if we try to, we screw things up for ourselves and others. There are volumes and volumes of history books that attest to that fact.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican I suppose your homophobic too???
jasiekel86 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
You're just going to jump from topic to topic in an attempt to try and hide your deficient education from yourself aren't you?
So what do you say "homophobia" is?
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican Well you call anal sex disorderly, so I suppose you hate gay men who practice this, let people live their lives, and I hope you get struck down with a disease, preferably Polio!
Oh and my cock is not my reproductive organ, it's what fuck with and piss out of!
Now, I don't wanna hear anymore from you!
jasiekel86 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
If you don't want to hear the Truth then stop posting ignorant comments.
Your "cock" is a reproductive organ weather you like it or not. The fact that you use a condom to try and block it's natural reproductive function is convicting proof. You can't just say words and all of a sudden it's reality. If your "cock" isn't a reproductive organ then stop using a condom. But you're not so ignorant about the biological facts now are you. Am I getting through? Or are you still posturing.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican Look I've zero interest in you, so just piss off!
I know it's a reproductive organ, but I don't want to reproduce, I can do what I want with my own body!
Nobody tells me what to do!
jasiekel86 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
But nature dictates what you can do.
If you want to use your reproductive organ as if it's not a reproductive organ then you have to figure out some way to thwart nature and so you choose to wrap it in plastic.
That makes you nothing more than a dildo dude. That's not a man. That's a tool.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
Look, I respect your free will to act like a tool. You're just going to have to respect my free will to logically point out how you are acting like a tool.
You've been conditioned to think your body works in a way that it really doesn't. You have to chemically trick a human body or put on a road block in order to use the human body the way you "choose" to.
But intelligent people are here to point out your disordered behavior. Live with it.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican No, I don't respect you pointing out anything, because I don't care about you,I am intelligent actually, I have a University education and a secure career, many intelligent people have sex lives,
Just stop annoying me, I don't like talking to narrow minded bigots like you!
jasiekel86 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
You're the only one talking like a bigot. Go re-read your comments here. Have some integrity man.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
If you're using a condom and turning your sexual anatomy into a dildo, then you are not having a "sex life". You are just practicing self delusion. You're just masturbating and masturbation is an imitation of sex. It isn't the real thing. What you call a "sex life" is really a life of imitation. But I guess if the music in the club is bumping hard enough, reality doesn't tend to matter very much.
My pity for you is a sign of respect. Men shouldn't live the way you do.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican well some men do live like that and we're still fucking, what you do is 'make love', ! I have respect actually, what I do is private! off, now piss off I'm over this now I've blocked you yet you keep responding, I won't respond to your next message you cunt!
jasiekel86 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
You display a tragic downgrading of human intellect.
Quick biology lesson. Human sexual anatomy has a specific purpose and function. Male anatomy is designed to deploy a male gamete into close proximity of where a female gamete will arrive.
Human gametes only join in a heterosexual way and can not join in a homosexual way.
Any act that tries to disrupt this natural string of events is disordered according to biological science.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
Real men stick up for reality and call a disorder a disorder. Cowards surround themselves with people who will blindly validate their world view no matter how flawed and inconsistent it is.
I'm calling you to be a real man and stop acting like a coward.
Real men scrutinize the behavior of others and are not afraid to coherently explain where a society has messed up and pursued objectively disordered behavior.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican You're a stupid man who thinks all us women are pure, well I like it in both holes, i havn't had double penetration yet but I will, and I want to be a pornstar!
So stop going on about how women don't like sex coz we love it, you're just a caveman!
You religious freaks piss me off coz you pretend 'God' is the reason you hate gay people!
I hope you die!
TheVerinicavalerie 4 months ago
@TheVerinicavalerie 1.read your ranting 2. look at the mirror 3. you'll see the freak you're talking about
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@CatholicAmerican You're a stupid man who thinks all us women are pure, well I like it in both holes, i havn't had double penetration yet but I will, and I want to be a pornstar!
So stop going on about how women don't like sex coz we love it, you're just a caveman!
You religious freaks piss me off coz you pretend 'God' is the reason you hate gay people!
I hope you die!
TheVerinicavalerie 4 months ago
@jasiekel86
I'm telling you how it is out of respect for you.
I'm not here to do anything but present the clear and undeniable biological facts of human sexual anatomy and the devastating effects that the contraceptive mentality has on society turning people into slaves of impulse instead of rational human beings who consider the consequences of disordered behavior.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican Well don't do it out of respect for me, because I don't respect you or your Catholic church!
Your life is so unappealing to me, that right now I am going to go out and hook up with some randomer!
You live your orderly life, while I live my disorderly life!
jasiekel86 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
I don't care what you respect. I never asked you to respect me or my church. In fact, you're the only one who keeps bringing up religion.
All I know is that my wife never had to worry about me spreading any kind of disease to her because she's the only one I've ever slept with. That's a real man, and it reaps a real man's reward in bed. I pity what you get.
I don't look down on you. I just pity you.
You don't live. You don't lift up anyone or build anything. You just take and use.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican Just like the majority then! So many people sleep around and have affairs, men AND women do this, fuck you and your wife. I have a great life actually, great job, great family, great friends, and if I want to fuck around then I can, I am my own person and don't need a god wod like you giving me a lecture! Go stick your rosary beads up your wife's cunt!
jasiekel86 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
Now you're just providing me with the classic example of how someone who treats sex like you do, doesn't have an ounce of respect for his fellow man. It's a pity. The world needs good men. We already have enough world rapers.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican I've never raped anyone!!! You fuck-rag!!! I don't have an ounce of respect for you! 'Fellow man' that's religious talk! Just stop commenting and go say your prayers!
jasiekel86 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
I didn't read your latest comment correctly when I posted my first response to it.
How about instead of using youtube to vainly self indulge in your worldview; you use youtube instead to inform your world view with facts. I'm just saying.
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican How about you stop using YouTube to bore me to tears with your dull life!
I take it your against abortion, pornography, homosexuality, bisexuality, threesomes and orgy's aswell???
jasiekel86 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
I'm a champion of science and reason. It's a clear and obvious fact that humans who are promiscuous are the root cause of HPV, AIDS, and all STDs.
Sex within the bounds of marriage is not the cause of STDs.
Have I mischaracterized anything?
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican So were all supposed to get married??? Fuck that! We will all die eventually, so if we want to be promiscuous and and use protection well at least we will have fun doing it!
jasiekel86 5 months ago
@jasiekel86
It's all fun till she says she's pregnant. Then where will you be? If you don't start acting like a man now. You won't act like a man if that time comes.
Stop acting like a child and pretending that your actions don't affect the society you live in.
When was the last time you took an STD test?
Are you positive that you aren't spreading stuff around right now?
CatholicAmerican 5 months ago
@CatholicAmerican I've never had an STD, I got tested five days ago, and all clear, and I do act like a man, and when I'm older I will still sleep around, fuck the society I live in!
I only look out for number 1
jasiekel86 5 months ago
morons. fucking morons. im going to fuck my girlfriend right now and make her wear a condom
hang the troll
animalmother669 6 months ago
watch?v=ySj3D7Nlw7E
sk8412c 7 months ago
lol blue balls vs condom? Yea i'll just use a condom... Is it unchristian to be responsible? lol hell, i was raised in a church and this still bugs me...
ForgotteMemories101 8 months ago
Please don't take this as a negative comment...i am simply curious. I have heard about NFP before...I admit I do not completely understand all the complexities of it...but my question is...what if you want to have sex whenever you want? especially as newleyweds? I am engaged and I proclaim to be a follower of Jesus Christ so I am just curious.
faithhcollege 11 months ago
@faithhcollege The thing about NFP is, you can have sex basically whenever, except during that period of time during fertility. That is usually about 2 to 3 days, unless intercourse took place before ovulation, which could mean about 5 days. Either way, a 5 day period of abstinence should be bearable between a man and woman if they practice chastity with the understanding that sex is fruitful and God's gift of fertility shouldn't be fought against artificially.
cathylee14 10 months ago 5
Which is really "birth control" :
Artificial contraception, where birth is entirely undesirable and control is non-existent
Or
Natural Family Planning, where birth is always a possibility and control is demanded?
TenderTrap86 11 months ago
Condoms v. NFP:
The difference is this, and it is profound:
With condoms, the action you are taking is one of selfishness and using your partner as an object for pleasure.
With NFP you are not taking an action, you are using INACTION, which is philosophically significantly different than taking a positive action. The REAL important difference is that with NFP you are respecting your partner and using SELF CONTROL rather than using a foreign object as a barrier between you and your partner.
HammerDoc 1 year ago
What is the moral difference between abstaining because you don't want a kid, versus using a condom because you don't want a kid? In both circumstances you are behaving a certain way hoping not to have a kid. Both methods fail sometimes, so both are equally open to life.
Jugglable 1 year ago
@Jugglable you can't fail when you're abstaining, it's impossible to produce a child.
amen4me 1 year ago
@amen4me Ah, ok, then--cycling. Why is it worse to use condoms than to cycle? Both are actions taken when a child isn't wanted, and both fail sometimes so could be open to life.
And why do Catholics advocate cycling? Just go ahead and have sex whenver and if God wants you to have a baby you will and if not you won't.
Jugglable 1 year ago
@Jugglable well that made no sense, BUT ok.
I'd love to discuss this more in depth (ie: seriously, not this parody vid) with you (if you're interested) but the comments section on this video isn't it.
amen4me 1 year ago
@amen4me OK, send me a direct message then.
Jugglable 1 year ago
awesome job please do more!!!
Xt3dotcom 1 year ago
Neither of these guys need to worry about contraception.
jgrimsley2000 1 year ago
Being pro choice does not mean abortion or not wanting children. It is best to plan a head and decide when you are ready to have children. Having the money to start a family is most importune, along with a stable job, medical benefits and being ready to start a family too. Being married is not an obligation to have children, plus there are risk involved to in having children. Be ready first and plan in advance!
patsaxon 1 year ago
Hey could you please do subtitles for this videos, I would like to translate them to portuguese...I can't understand everthing that was said in this video for exemplo..could you do that for me ? thanks
catolicismoemfoco 1 year ago
Take it from someone tha tived in depravity for years and finally began using NFP. My marriage truly blossomed. My wife and I are finally in love rather than lust and our intimacy is much better as there is a whole new depth to it. It takes discipline and self-mastery - both of which are good for humanity.
Wilyam23 1 year ago 19
The sexual union between man and wife is meant to be holy. NFP nurtures this aspect of the sexual relationship betwen husband and wife. Not unlike the love between the Father and the Son begetting the Holy Spirit, marriage reflects a similar relationship - the love betwen a husband and wife begets children - more love. Study the Theology Of The Body.
Wilyam23 1 year ago
God gives us the gift of sexuality. Thus our sexuality is a gift - something we give, not something we take from someone else. If you can't say no to yourself, then what does your yes mean? No much. Abstaining for periods causes a relationship to mature and for spouses (especially the male) to love and respect the other more and to look at them as more than just a sexual object to be used for self-gratification. It also makes the times you do engage that much more pleasurable.
Wilyam23 1 year ago 2
HAHAHA FERTILITY ALTERING CHEMICALS.
Damn that condom lube and its fertility altering chemicals.
I'd honestly rather be a "bit testy" from taking BC pills than be a "bit testy" from being pregnant.
exxxys 1 year ago
this is a hoax, you can tell neither of these guys get some
ShakiraMagic 1 year ago
If the entire point of NFP is to discover when a woman is least fertile in order to have sex during those times, how exactly do they have sex "whenever they want to"?
SlaughterMeister 1 year ago
I believe there is a 3rd way. but let's be honest the catholic way RULES.
Dreamsex101 1 year ago
@Dreamsex101 What is the third way?
cjcapta 1 year ago
guilt tripping...not cool
MirandaLeeWong 1 year ago
ugh.
TheSleepingInsomiac 1 year ago
How can a NFP couple have sex whenever they want?
YesHipsLox 1 year ago 5
@YesHipsLox because they won't want to have sex when they want to abstain. duh
jazzycj27 1 year ago 9
@jazzycj27 yes and that is why so manny chatolic countries have so manny unwanted premancys and high children mortality rate. planted pregmacy is better then unwated one. allso lack of contraseption is reason for high abortion rates in chatolic countries. us condom, its one of the oldest invetions ever. pregnacys is a good thing but it can be bad thing too, and not only to you but your children and mate. i sugest you rethink your stance on contraseption.
gooddarkjedi 1 year ago
@YesHipsLox They can't silly or risk making a baby! But remember that conservative Catholics don't see NFP as a form of birth control, so that isn't a risk to their way of thinking. See, you can have sex whenever you want.
zoonomia 1 year ago
Been on the pill had a horrible reaction (aka it's like having PMS x 10 for me only everyday) would never go back on.
Thanks for the video it's kinda funny and brings up some valid points.
lizziebreath9 2 years ago
Point and case that the correlation between "NFP" and strong marital bonds are weak, at best.
skamic88 2 years ago
This is just dumb folks.
Sex when the woman can't get pregnant is openness to life?
Sex when her body is telling her to nest, not be passionate?
Besides, these guys will never have to face the consequences of their philosophical beliefs, so why are they so interested??? If they have so much time can they babysit for me tonight?
zoonomia 2 years ago
These 2 are seminarians for the archdiosese of Omaha?
catchzz 2 years ago
very nice!
Lmerosne 2 years ago
NFP is AWESOME. And the LAM method works! My husband is getting lucky tonight. We're open to a fantastic sex life, open to communication, open to LIFE! I love love love NFP!!! right on!
lizmcdaniel312 2 years ago
Why did we need to know what you are doing tonight? If you really want to talk about your sex life on youtube, use a fake name!
zoonomia 2 years ago
Zoo,
Thanks for making the point of the seminarians in the video better than they ever could have...People that are sharing themselves with their husbands or wives in the way God wants them to, aren't ashamed to talk about it openly and if you think they should be, shame on you...God bless you for sharing Liz...
jayroe1234 2 years ago
@jayroe1234 : Liz, I see you are a KoolAid drinker too. I hope it goes well for you. The most sexually repressed people - in speech and action - I know are conservative Catholics who are so modest in speech they never talk about "private matters". And the best part is: you know that but you thought the other readers would fall for a weak rhetorical trick like the one you just pulled. These clowns don't make that point because they aren't married - as I said in my comment.
zoonomia 1 year ago
@zoonomia Once again, making the opposite point in your comments. Liz doesn't seem to be holding back because it is a "private matter", as you call it. However, you are quick to tell her not to share or use a fake name. Careful, I think your sexual repression is showing Zoo. Anyway, thank you for restoring my faith in the internet to bring the truth to the light, even when some would try and bury the truth, because the light hurts their eyes.
jayroe1234 1 year ago
@jayroe1234 : Liz, I see you are a KoolAid drinker too. I hope it goes well for you. The most sexually repressed people - in speech and action - I know are conservative Catholics who are so modest in speech they never talk about "private matters". And the best part is: you know that but you thought the other readers would fall for a weak rhetorical trick like the one you just pulled. These clowns don't make that point because they aren't married - as I said in my comment.
zoonomia 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
It's one thing to challenge the youth to delay sexual activity until they are older. It's another thing to scare them with propaganda and tell them a condom is a "provision for sin".
Head over to my website and I'll show you the 3 Quick & Dirty Facts the 'Christian' Right will never tell you about premarital sex in the Bible.
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NotAnotherGeneration 2 years ago
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I really hope these guys are just been satirical because the points they bring up are possibly the most retarded arguements I have ever heard! Especially the one about talking!
ndjm00 2 years ago
So what's your response to their other points? You attack them on the subjective point about "talking" but not the scientific claims? Theirs something backwards their.
wood9670 2 years ago
They say they are comparing contraception to an organisation. False. They are comparing one form of contraception... the pill. obviously singling this form out over, say... condoms because it is a much easier target. If not... why don't they bring up the same points while talking about condoms? What scientific claim? Are you telling me it has been scientifically proven that couples that don't discuss the EXACT time they are going to have sex also completely abstain from talking altogether? BULL!
ndjm00 2 years ago
cute video! thanks guys!! LONG LIVE FERTILITY AWARENESS!!!!
emeraldmorn 2 years ago
i love this vid
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valu777 2 years ago
Who died and made you god?
Do not judge and you will not be judged, Do not condem and you will not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven - Luke 6:37
skamic88 2 years ago
preach the word in and out of season
valu777 2 years ago
Why do pro-lifers always have a holier than thou attitude? What happened to being gods humble servant? Do you actually read the bible before you pass judgement? Or do you just HATE across the board? Need I remind you, your god gladly kills children. Hosea 13:16 "their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords." Exodus 12:29 "the LORD struck down all the firstborn in the land of Egypt."
skamic88 2 years ago
and the Pharaohs army drowned in the same water a classic reap and sow judgment
abortion is murder all will pay for it
valu777 2 years ago
How about you leave the judging up to those with the proper authority!
skamic88 2 years ago
The best argument that I can think of to justify this kind of slaughter of innocent children and aborted foetuses would be their parents/people were sinners; however Ezekiel 18: 18-20
says, "...So the father will die because of his sin... The person who sins will die. A son will not be punished for his father's sins, and a father will not be punished for his son's sins. The righteousness of the righteous person will be his own, and the wickedness of the wicked person will be his own."
skamic88 2 years ago
unclean spirits were invasive in all the people through the open doorway of sin
to keep a pure Israel God needed to avoid the mixing of races.
valu777 2 years ago
Ah so not only was god a baby killer but a eugenist too!
skamic88 2 years ago
yep and he totaled the whole world because of sin
valu777 2 years ago
As long as you can live with and worship a baby killing, eugenist who will slaughter an entire generation on a whim because these little babies (who except for original sin, are totally innocent) were unclean spirits.
skamic88 2 years ago
make all the excuses you want , to sin all you want ,
God himself died on the cross for all of mankind
valu777 2 years ago
Actually it was god as the incarnation of Jesus (according to the catholic trinity), who is technically the son of god. God opened the gates of heaven due to his son's sacrifice.
Either that or we got the whole Easter thing backwards and Nietzsche was right to say „Gott ist tot! Gott bleibt tot! Und wir haben ihn getötet! Wie trösten wir uns, die Mörder aller Mörder?" -"God is dead! God remains dead! and we killed him! How do we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers?"
skamic88 2 years ago
no one killed Jesus on the cross he gave up his life freely , then took it up again at the resurrection
Jesus is alive
valu777 2 years ago
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die." Exodus 21:22 "When men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage... If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth." Reparations are paid for her injuries not her child's.
Hosea 9:11-16 "Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts... yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb."
skamic88 2 years ago
... Numbers 5:11-21 "If a man's wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him by sleeping with another man... causes you to have a miscarrying womb and barrenness"
2 Kings 15:16"At that time Menahem, starting out from Tirzah, attacked Tiphsah and everyone in the city and its vicinity, because they refused to open their gates. He sacked Tiphsah and ripped open all the pregnant women."
1 Samuel 15:3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything... children and infants... "
skamic88 2 years ago
Psalms 135:8"He slew the firstborn of Egypt from man even unto beast"
Psalms 136:10"Give thanks to the one who killed the firstborn males in Egypt- because his mercy endures forever"
Psalms 137:9"How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones Against the rock"
Isaiah 13:16-18"Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes...Their bows will slaughter the young men; they will have no mercy on the fruit of the womb; their eyes will not pity children"
skamic88 2 years ago
Jeremiah 19:7-9, Lamentations 2:20-22, Leviticus 26:30, 2 Kings 6:28-29 all deal with cannibalism on the parents behalf. Would you kill your child, or eat them after the fact?
skamic88 2 years ago
@skamic88 - You can quote chapter and verse ad nauseam, but until you back it up with solid substance (i.e. you understand ALL of the factors which caused chapter and verse to become what they are), your message is totally and completely worthless!
thespeez 1 year ago
@skamic88 We can't understand God's logic. Suffice to say, I believe God can pass judgment on people.
cjcapta 1 year ago
@skamic88 We can't understand God's logic. Suffice to say, I believe God can pass judgment on people.
cjcapta 1 year ago
People are going to use whatever works for them.. the FDA might be biased against natural methods, but people who are for the natural methods are biased against chemical methods. if technology and conception are evil, then i am assuming that you are against artificial insemination as well, Mary. A method that has helped many families conceive and have healthy, happy babies of their own
padawanlearner811 2 years ago 3
Condoms Rock!
mojocondoms 2 years ago
Yet if a woman uses condoms for a considerable amount of time and then goes off of it to have a baby then she is at risk for a high blood pressure condition called preeclampsia which is life threatening to the mother and can cause the baby to have a premature birth. And babies that are born premature are known to have learning diabilities, cerebral palsy, epilepsy, blindness, and deafness.
loverofeucharist 2 years ago
Sounds good if you are planning on being celibate clergy, but if you are a married couple, expect a large family, unless you wise up.
Source: been there, done that.
LeoHareMusic 2 years ago 3
How many children do you have?
spinemelter2000 2 years ago
Six. Three girls, three boys.
LeoHareMusic 2 years ago
Six. Three girls, three boys.
LeoHareMusic 2 years ago
Great spoof, guys, and I might add, good information, too.
Birth control pills not only are bad for women's health, lowering their immune systems, they are polluting waterways in heavily populated areas. NFP has NO negative side effects, and a lot of positives, like improved communication between partners and a greater respect for the fertility of the woman. This is probably why the divorce rate for people who practice NFP is very, very low.
HammerofHeretics 2 years ago
NFP has no negative side effects, but it doesn't really have any effects. Every couple I know of that uses NFP has a large family, my own included. I'm not saying that's bad, I'm just saying NFP is not effective. All the theology in the world cannot feed a child or pay bills. Celibate clergy will never understand that any more than I will understand what it's like to be celibate.
I believe that's one reason the clergy remains celibate. What parish could support 3 priests, 3 wives & 20 kids?
LeoHareMusic 2 years ago 3
It doesn't have side effects cause it doesn't work!
skamic88 2 years ago
It works, because I've used it for years without ever getting pregnant by accident. People who say it doesn't work really mean that they didn't abstain when they were supposed to avoid pregnancy. Funny, artificial contraception doesn't work either when you don't use it the way you're directed.
HammerofHeretics 2 years ago
Great video guys.
Thanks for showing the real difference between the 2.
TheManGadoosh 2 years ago
hey ... gay people can't have babies so don't bother about the problem.
ceausuadrian 2 years ago 4
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what's so bad about abortions? my girlfriend has had 6 of tehm and shes fine. just imagin if she wouldve had 6 babies, we would be over $9000 in debt right now!!!1
supersox57 3 years ago
The pill is 99% effective. For the vast majority of women, there are no significant side effects. NFP is fine, but not as effective. Bottom line is, they both accomplish EXACTLY the same thing. There is no moral superiority on either side.
Pacisdiligo 3 years ago
There is a big difference in morality with the two. NFP is natural, the way God had planned it to work. By using artificial contraception, we mess with God's plan about how the human body works. Think about euthanasia, the goal is to kill the person, but by natural death the person would die anyways. God made it so that the person dies a natural death, not that we take control of his plan. Same thing goes for NFP and contracepti. We make ourselves more poweful than God by messing with his plan
all4jesus3 2 years ago
Humans are always messing with "..how the human body works". We interfere with all kinds of natural bodily functions all the time with inumerable medications and operations. Is circumcision immoral? How about cutting your hair or nails? What about organ transplants? Sounds like major interference to me!
Should we use antacids? Anti-gas tablets? Antibiotics? Who's to say that contraception is "immoral" if no human life is taken or harmed? Again, NFP and the "pill" accomplish the SAME goal,
Pacisdiligo 2 years ago 2
All the examples you mentioned are hygienic and improve the health of the body. Artfl contraceptives dehumanize the person and turns sex into an act of selfish lust. The husband and wife cease to be gifts to each other & instead become objects of lust to satisfy mere pleasure and selfish desires.This is NOT what God intended. NFP respects the natural signs that God gives us. The pill injects synthetic hormones into the woman & kills a human life after conception part of the time. HUGE difference
all4jesus3 2 years ago
"Selfish lust"? What a ridiculous insult to the millions of loving, committed husbands and wives who use contraception! "Cease to be gifts to each other"?? Absurd to the extreme. What moronic and rash judgements. Statements like those only serve to illustrate the irrational extremes some will go to to defend their indefensible views. And by the way, the pill saves lives! Ovulation is greatly reduced resulting in far fewer fertilized eggs being "naturally" aborted!
Pacisdiligo 2 years ago 3
NFP strengthens the bond between a man and woman by them abstaining from sex during the times that is necessary. This gives them a greater love for who the person is and makes them love them not just for their body. Over 50% of marriages end of in divorce. The number for couples who use NFP is 2-5%. The stats show that it clearly helps couples love eachother and it makes families stronger by the parents having respect for themselves and the great love to hold back from sex when needed.
all4jesus3 2 years ago
Total conjecture. NFP couples have a divorce rate of 2-5%??? Please cite your source for that statistic. You seem convinced that couples who use contraception somehow have inferior, lust-filled, less respectful marriages. I doubt very much there's a shred of evidence to back up that claim. It is merely your opinion. Once again, NFP and artificial contraception aim for and achieve the SAME result. They are morally equivalent.
Pacisdiligo 2 years ago
Actually, my friend...i do have sources for that statistic. I have heard it in two talks and one bible study, and there are multiple studies that have shown that. The two talks are from professor Janet Smith in her talk "Contraception, Why not?" And the second one is from Christopher west who speaks on Pope John Paul II's theology of the body.
all4jesus3 2 years ago
Pacisdiligo, as much as you want to convince yourself that nfp & artificial contraception (AC) are morally equivalent it won't work. It's a bankrupt argument. NFP respects the natural law while AC works against it. AC treats fertility as a disease with pills, surgical operations, condome, IUD's, etc. when fertility is a natural, healthy and blessed condition. If you have been using AC I urge you to stop and go to confession ASAP because you are living a life of evil according to church teaching
TotallyYoursMary 2 years ago
And as much as you want to convince yourself that artificial contraception is somehow wrong is logically and factually indefensible. Your position is strictly a religious one and does not stand up to the facts. No need for confession, there is no sin involved.
Pacisdiligo 2 years ago
Pacisdiligo, if you are a Catholic Christian and your are contracepting then you are living in evil. There is sin involved. Check the following quote from the catechism:
Every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible, is intrinsically evil
Pope Paul VI Humana Vitae
Catechism of the Catholic Church, section 2370
TotallyYoursMary 2 years ago
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Pacisdiligo 2 years ago
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No, I am not Catholic. And there is nothing intrinsically "evil" about contraception.
Pacisdiligo 2 years ago
Pacisdiligo, did you know that the birth control pill is an abortificient part of the time?
TotallyYoursMary 2 years ago
Aside from Humana Vitae, what makes contraception "immoral?"
skamic88 2 years ago
I'll give you few examples:
1- Did you know that the pill injects synthetic hormones into the body of the woman increasing chances of certain cancers?
2- Did you know that the pill makes the woman's body think it's pregnant all the time and have the symptomps of a pregnant woman?
3- Did you know that the pill kills a fertilized egg at least 2-5% of the time which is abortion?
So are you OK with women hurting their bodies just so that men can have sex whenever they feel like it?
TotallyYoursMary 2 years ago
1) wrong the pill dose not "inject" anything (injecting involves a liquid of sorts). The molecular shape, make-up, and structure of synthetic hormones is identical to that of natural hormones found in the body. Yes with the latest data, they have found a slight increase in breast cancer (one, which has a high survival rate); however the risk goes back to 0 after 3-5 years off the pill. The risk seems statistically insignificant...
skamic88 2 years ago 2
... Moreover, the pill reduces the risk of other more deadly cancers like endometrial and ovarian cancers.
2) No, the pill overrides the LH and FSH surges, therefore no ovulation. In pregnant women, the progesterone levels would be even higher.
3) Where did you get this number from? If we go back to number 2) for just one second and see how the pill works. Look, the hormones (derived from plant based hormones) overrides the LH and FSH surges making them undetectable...
skamic88 2 years ago
... This prevents ovulation; therefore no ovum yields no no fertilization. Whit no fertilization means no abortion. The thinning endometrium (bloody stuff on the walls of the uterus) coincides with ovulation suppression. Also medically speaking the rare occurrence would not even result in an "abortion" due to the fact that pregnancy starts after implantation.
skamic88 2 years ago 3
So I don't see how women are hurting their bodies just so men can have sex (not like women enjoy sex anyway!) I'm sure that there are many women who are free of men's influence. These vary women use contraception for their own enjoyment.
skamic88 2 years ago
in the context of a stable marriage, NFP can only improve the marriage relationship. The man is more aware of his wife's body and has more appreciation of her. The woman is more aware of her fertility and is not using any unnatural means. The conjugal act is not encumbered with barriers like condoms, IUD's, surgical operations, or synthetic chemicals. It seems to me that it would be evil not to promote NFP since it's so natural and so rewarding. Why don't you try taking an NFP class to see?
TotallyYoursMary 2 years ago
In the context of a stable marriage everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I doubt that IUDs and surgical sterolization, or chemicals get in the way (hence doing it before sex, like the pill and the other 2 are a one shot deal with no worrying for a prolonged period of time). I agree, everyone should know about how the body works. Different strokes, for different folks.
skamic88 2 years ago
aren't you concerned about the IUD being an abortificient?
TotallyYoursMary 2 years ago
No, because they are not. It causes both cellular and biochemical changes that are toxic to sperm. In studies done on sexually active IUD users no fertilized eggs have been found in the uterine cavity. The theorized inflammatory reaction in the endometrium has been proven to be false.
see for your self, google IUD mechanism of action
skamic88 2 years ago
skamic88, I understand that pregnancy starts after implantation, but LIFE begins at conception. If you don't believe that then we should probably stop talking. If you do believe that LIFE begins at CONCEPTION then you should be concerned about the small percentage of time that the pill is an abortificient. If people use other contraceptives like the IUD then the chance of it being abortificient is a lot higher. So contraception is EVIL because it is not natural. It hurts women & marriages
TotallyYoursMary 2 years ago
how easily you forget Cell Theory; both haploid cells (egg and sperm) are very much alive. Once again where are you getting your information from? The mechanism of action for the IUD are the release of copper and copper salts changing the uterine chemistry and also allowing the sperm to phagocytize (engulf) these ions. Also the object in a body cavity draws lukecytes (white blood cells) to try to attack it and also attack the sperm. The copper IUD also appears to directly affect oocytes (egg).
skamic88 2 years ago
skamic88, the pill is supposed to work in three ways:
1- it prevents ovulation (which is most of the time)
2- prevents conception (prevents sperm from reaching the egg)
3- prevents implantation of a fertilized egg into the uterine wall and that is ABORTION. As far as percentage of the time that it does this whether it's 2% or 5% or even .001% it doesn't matter. The main point here is that there is a chance that the pill can be abortifiicent. You seem OK with it. I'm not. I think it's evil
TotallyYoursMary 2 years ago
How exactly can an inadament object be evil?
1. Yes
2. It thickens the cervical mucus and therefore hinders the sperm from reaching the ovum. So yes, also correct.
3. Going on the assumption that both above stated mechanisms have failed (slim seeing as how the pill has an overall failure rate of 1-2 out of 100 according to the FDA) then the due to the thiner lining the ovum may not implant. However this dose not take into account the type of pill...
skamic88 2 years ago
... Estrogen was originally added to stabilize the endometrium (later found to also suppress ovulation). Moreover the secondary mechanisms have only been hypothesized. Lastly, seeing as how pregnancy has yet to start it is not an abortion, nor is it an abortifacient. Also seeing as how an assumed 75-80% of all diploid zygotes never naturally implant, NFP would also have to be defined as an abortifacient...
skamic88 2 years ago
... In fact seeing as how the primary mechanism is to suppress ovulation, there is less of a chance for the egg to be flushed out with out implanting. It can be argued that NFP is more of an abortifacient, then hormonal contraception.
skamic88 2 years ago
skamic88, You do admit that the pill introcuces synthetic hormones that are not natural into the woman's body. You don't see any evil with subjecting a woman to this constant dosage of synthetic hormones? So why not just do it naturally and use NFP? You also admit that there is an increase in the chance of getting breast cancer but you call it insignificant and you don't seem to see any evil in that. That's your opinion. I refuse to subject my wife or my daughter to it when they can use NFP
TotallyYoursMary 2 years ago
No actually they are the same (or almost the same) as the hormones made in your gonads. Especially when the hormones are derived from plant (or before that animal based) hormones. How exactly can an inadament object be evil? "Statistically insignificant" means the data shows no clear pattern or correlation. It is not opinion, it is the non-biased facts reported in scientific journals. Regarding your wife and daughter that is you opinion, and I hope acknowledge that they can have their opinions.
skamic88 2 years ago
skamic88, artificial contraception is evil because it uses chemicals and gadgets to treat the body for the healthy condition of fertility that doesn't not need any treatment. You give a pill to a woman who is sick. You shouldn't encourage healthy women to take pills when they can use natural methods to regulate pregnancies. I don't force my wife and daughter to do anything but I encourage them to only use natural methods, show them the facts with love thus honoring their dignity.
TotallyYoursMary 2 years ago
If pills are only given to sick people then what would you call vitamins? Fine use the natural method if you are ok with the high failure rate of 20% (FDA). I personally would not put my loved ones in such a predicament.
skamic88 2 years ago
I wouldn't trust the FDA's numbers. For one, they are biased in that they are a government organization and can regulate medication, but can't regulate natural methods. Also, I would estimate that a large percentage of that stat aren't abiding by the guidelines, which throws everything else off. This, of course, is simply a concern. I have no proof, I am only saying that I would be skeptical of those numbers.
SAINThoodSEEKER 2 years ago
Also, my wife and I use a natural method and can say first hand that it is 100% effective.....we are getting the result that we are supposed to get 100% of the time, without interference from hormone-altering meds or our own selfishness. Neither one of us has to wonder whether or not we are interfering too much with the plan God has for us. I also am getting a tangible, life-changing lesson on my selfish ways and am recieving a blessing in order to change. I call that 100% effective.
SAINThoodSEEKER 2 years ago
Using only one person as a population sample will skew your percentages.
datakill 2 years ago
Ah a statistician, well the same goes for all of our friends who live the same way. Still not as many "subjects" as you would like, but then again, would you ever be convinced? Funny how people are so strongly against stances and positions that require the most effort and take away from our personal "freedoms?"
SAINThoodSEEKER 2 years ago