@cwsnhu12 You seem to be an idiot. Basically what you said was MJ is better because hes better. People give the edge to MJ because Big O played a long time ago and many of them didnt see him play. Otherwise a point guard averaging a triple double is almost impossible to top
I saw O in person several times with the Bucks in the early 70s. Being a big, strong point guard for those days (6-5, 220), he did a lot of scoring and rebounding under and near the basket. But I remember him best for his silken jump shot and seemingly effortless free throws. Each was poetry in motion:) --
Its pretty easy to compare people in Basketball, I mean the three point line never changed, the point system never changed. Look at their field goal percentage and go ahead and compare em. It might be hard comparing steels, blocks, ETC. because those things differ with what kind of players your up against.
@BoggleDongMongerFlog Three point line never changed? Lmao you need to grow some brains and learn your stuff before trying to sound smart you fucking retard
@animiefansHQ Take your own advice bro. the three point line in the NBA has been the same since before the time of MJ or Pippen, which is whom we are all talking about. Idk what your goin on about
@animiefansHQ ok well i wasnt talkin obout oscar when you butted into the convo. You can just watch him and know that he wouldnt compare to modern day players
@BoggleDongMongerFlog if ur talking skill wise your stupid because obviously u dont know how good big o was if u dont remember he averaged a trip double which noone has done yet idiot btw i dont see who u were having a convo with dumbass
@animiefansHQ YOu calling me stupid and insulting me slightly tempts me to make you look like a moron once more, but id simply confuse you, and you'd keep rambling
@BoggleDongMongerFlog Are you being sarcastic? The 3 point line wasnt even there for most of Oscars career and when it was there they moved it around. Yes thats right at times the 3 point line was farther away and at times it was closer. This was done to make threes easier.
Now shut up about basketball since you obviously dont know shit about it.
@Oldcartoons571 you obviously didn't hear the full conversation I was having. Oh and btw. My high school basketball team THAT I PLAY FOR. Literally just won the 30th annual basketball tournament TODAY by 40 points. ANd Yes I played and scored 8 points. So I think I know something about basketball. our team is 8-0. How are you doing this year? or do you even play?
@Oldcartoons571 robertson never played with the 3 point line so not really sure where you got that from. The nba started using it in '79 and the line wasnt moved around til mid 90s
I think I'd rather have Jerry west on my team than oscar. Dont get me wrong. Obviously a great player and definitely one of the greats, but he was also quite a miserable player who had his teammates afraid of him because he yelled at them constantly. By the way, you can't compare Jordan to Oscar when they come from completely different eras in basketball. 90s basketball was very competitive. I mean Jordan won 6 rings in a competitive league...(no offense but there were way more black guys in th
@schw012 Obviously you're not black or you're an Uncle Tom. Oscar has every right to be angry, he was playing in a time with outright racism. The thing that amazes me about white people always judge black people but then get mad when we get angry about your judgmental and racist attitudes.
@schw012 Its silly to say its more competitive because there were more black people. The further along you go in basketball the more soft its gotten. When Jordan played he got almost every call he wanted and refs would hardly call him for push offs and other fouls. Jerry West wasnt the greatest teamate either if you watched his sports century, his own kids were afraid to be around him after a loss. No more dumbass arguments from you, okay?
@Oldcartoons571 I believe that refs let superstars get away with a lot of things. Especially the really great superstars. They let things slide all the time, even today. And yeah, I know. Jerry West was an asshole. But I'm saying if I was to have the choice between the two, I'd take Jerry West. If Oscar was to continue to have his angry miserable fuck attitude today, I wouldn't want that on my team. I mean I don't want a dickwad on my team either, but between the two that's who I'd choose.
@tuzwol NO HE WASNT HE WAS A SHELL OF HIMSELF HAAA YOU ARE RETARDED. KAREEM CARRIED OSCAR ASS . KAREEM AVERAGED OVER 30 PPG AND LIKE 16 REBOUDS THAT YEAR . OSCAR WAS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO KAREEM THAT YEAR AND NOT AS VALUABLE
@ryanr20091 oscar had pased his prime in 70's but still could dominate...last season with royals had 26p-6reb-8as !when he join bucks with prime jabbar,who was an unstoppable off weapon and also all star dandridge,oscar did nt have to take so many efforts but it was him who create the whole bucks game and took shots when he had to,mostly clutch shots.the same as magic in 80's lakers,he was 3rd scorer!it is proven that jabbar would nt take the ring without oscar for sure...
@ESSJ333 the problem with oscar was he a guy who dominated the ball and put up big stats, but he didn't have the value to a basketball team as the the top 6 players did. He was never the best player on a team that even made it to a title series or game past his high school team. Even his college team did better without him. and don't bring up the bucks title team. Jabbar was easily the best player in the league at that point.
@ESSJ333 comparing oscar to jordan is silly. jordan was better on the offensive end and much better on defense. he also had the unstoppable will to win, unlike oscar. his stats were infatted because of the era he played in.
Oscar Robertson is the most complete basketball player to EVER lace on a pair of sneakers. PERIOD. You can't score 27,000 points, dish out 9,900 assists, pull down nearly 8,000 rebounds and register a little over 2,000 steals and not be considered the most complete player in nba history. And by the way folks, Oscar did all that at 6'5, 215 pounds. It's laughable that most people seem to think that nba basketball didn't begin until Jordan came into the league in 1984. Have some perspective, folks
@CEO1451 You make a good point. Media and marketing will make a difference, but in the end, future generations will still refuse to believe that past players were as good as the one's they are watching currently. Air Jordan will just be a legend. Somebody new will come along that young people will insist is better than Michael could possibly have been. After all, what do older folks know?
"he could make you look silly " longtime rival Jerry Sloan said "but he never showed you up,never got in your face. Oscar just scored on you, then ran to the other end to defend"
what makes me laugh is that they say babe Ruth was the greatest baseball player of all time but when your talking about basketball apparently the past is worse that the present
@emmettk totally agree i mean im only 18 but ive known who robertson,chamberlain,russell,fulks,mikan and all those old guys since i was 14. i mean i talk and discuss with people about basketball and some dont even know who robertson is. its a real shame
Nah Oscar Robertson wasn't better than MJ as far as scoring. Defense MJ was way better. Robertson was more of a prolific passer, and better rebounder than MJ though. Robertson rating-Offense 9.4, Defense 8.8, Speed 8.5, rebound 10, passing 9.0. MJ offense 10, defense 10, rebound 8.9, speed 8.8, passing 8.0. MJ is the best strongest finishing guard in nba history. Ball handling Robertson 9.0 MJ ballhandling 10.
@ElMatadorAzteca1 lol no he wasn't. Oscars offense isn't better than Jordan's either. Oscar wasn't a lock down defender. He wasn't a poor defender, but he wasn't exceptionally great either. Jordan practiced harassing defense, & tried to manipulate his man to create turnovers.
@SamuelMoralesJr what oscar offense was better if not equal to jordans. he was a much better pass,rebounder and over all play people loved to play with him becuase he made players better . robertson lived in the time of giants and were rebounding was hard for a shorter player to get , and by getting those rebounds he was able to give his team 2nd chance opportunities which a great contribution to and offensive game
@SamuelMoralesJr Oscar Robertson was the epitome of completeness on BOTH ends of the court. Back then, the nba did not recognize steals and blocked shots as official stats. Yet, The Big O registered over 2,000 steals unofficially in his career, which puts him pretty much where Jordan is. Jordan's stature primarily benefitted greatly because he played in an era of enhanced marketing and tremendous social media outlets. Jordan's best season saw him average 32, 8 and 8. Oscar did that four times.
@roderick9ful are you kidding. jordan was maybe the best defensive guard ever. on't give me Oscar's steal numbers like that makes him a great defensive player. You are kidding right. Oswald was never known as a defender. magic another weak defender had alot of steals also. Sometimes it just means you player alot of minutes, and you took more chances then others.
People have a tendency to elevate the stars they saw play and put down those they didn't.There's no way to fairly compare players from different eras, but anyone who dominated in their era qualifies as a great and deserves respect. It's hard for me to compare Magic to Oscar and I saw them both play. I just know they both belong in the top 10. The fact that so many don't know about Oscar is truly a shame. Years from now, young people will try to tell you Jordan wasn't all that. Just wait.
Yeah - You just can't compare players of different eras. I get tired of hearing it. I mean no one compares Manning to Namath...Rice to Owens. - Why is it in Basketball people always trying to say who is better than who? - Great players are great - that's it. NBA acknowledged the 50 greatest players of all-time without ranking them. - That's how it should be.
Being teammates doesn't stop people from making comparisons. - Besides they were teammates briefly. - And the point I was making is that NFL players are rarely compared (teammates or not)
IMO - no such thing as "the best" - Unless you can put MJ in Oscar's shoes and vice verse - It'll be a debate that will never have an answer. PPL will never change their minds about who they "think" the best is so this debate is wasted breath. No matter how many stats are accolades you bring to the debate - PPL's minds won't change. Every Great Player is Great in their OWN RITE - Easier to just leave it a t that.
@emmettk Its funny though, Oscasr put up some great numbers and yet he hardly gets consideration from the crowd who watched Jordan play. So yeah perhaps the same will happen to Jordan but it seems like people want to cement him as the greatest ever
@Oldcartoons571 Yes, it's a generational thing. Younger people will never agree that players from the past can match the present stars. The same thing will happen to Jordan's legacy in the future. I'm not even saying Oscar was necessarily better than Jordan or even Magic, but he's definitely in their class. And I'm old enough to have seen them all play.
Robertson>russell. period. rings are a team achievement. have u seen the damn teams russel was on? jesus... id predict that 60% of the jerseys retired in boston and 50% of the celtics that are in the HOF were on his teams that won. there u go.
How was the competition back in Oscar robertson's day compared to Magic and MJ day? MJ said that Kobe is top ten of all time or top 10 in guards, I can't remember. To me that's just flat out disrespect.
if oscar played in today league he would own it he would be stronger faster and taller cause through time ppl have gotten bigger so he is the blueprint
Well MJ wasn't a PG anyway he was more of a SG. The biggest rap against Oscar was that he was such a bitter guy and often difficult teammate. But of course much of that is pretty understandable considering that he went through so much crazy racism in that era and that ended up making him kind of a bitter dick.
Also, MJ is better. Oscar is one of the top ten players of all time, but lets not waste time trying to say he's better than MJ.
@lotiondolphin It has nothing to do with Oscar being a "bitter dick" and everything to do with how he was treated. I get what you were saying but that was a poor choice of words.
@THOUSANDAlRE how can u say that? Magic even admits MJ is the greatest he's ever seen. And Wilt was unreal although the only other big he had that was competition was Russel. Oscar was one of the greats of all time theres no doubt.
@thegoldenhero Jordan had pippen , Rodman, kukoc, Cartwright, paxton, kerr Robertson was in an era were the celtics were a mega team and Wilt was dominating and West n Baylor were dominating the West come on now
@thegoldenhero no one dominated like Jordan, huh? I seem to recall a guy named Russell who anchored a team that won 11 rings. Last time I checked 11 is more than 6.
russell was dope but him and wilt were so dope cause it was a bunch of white small dudes they played against and dominated i bet wilt couldn't score 100 now and russell he was team orientated he was dope and did his job as a center but 6 rings, 6 final mvps, 5 mvps, nba defensive player of the year...come on lol he is the single reason guys like patrick ewing, charles barkley, and karl malone don't have a ring if that isn't dominance idk what is
By 1968 the NBA was predominately black. In Wilt's last season ('73) the league had 4 additional hof centers that were each black, at least 6'11", and closer to their prime than Wilt. Because there were fewer teams, he faced them more times each than players do today. This doesn't even include the other all star quality big men and hof's 6'9 and 6'10" . At age 36, an old Wilt led the league in rebounding, set an NBA record for fg%, and made all NBA 1st team defense.
@thegoldenhero yeah but Oscar never had guys like that stretching the court for him. It is VERY arguable that his accomplishments are more impressive.
Jordan had a lot of nights off. Lots of weak teams in the 90s, to wit Dennis Rodman who said 'we wouldn't have won this many games if we were playing in the 80s.' Or Jordan, who said 'it just means we are beating a lot of weak teams.'
Oscar had 9 teams in his league, so he faced Pettit & Wilkens, KC, Hondo & Sam Jones, Hot Rod & Baylor & West, Greer & Walker lots of times each season - - every game he had a serious team to face.
they were a really great team the weaker teams couldn't handle them and the stronger ones fell...i don't see why you try to make jordan accomplishments seem so weak...
@thegoldenhero you leap to a conclusion. I'm only telling facts. Jordan's league was not as competitive as the 60s NBA was. Just like today's NBA.
What chance does Toronto, Utah, or Golden State have? Watching the Warriors is like watching Triple-A ball. Fun but it's a night off for the elite 8 or 10 teams.
In the 60s you had 8 or 10 teams, and that was it. All of them were elite. Everybody else played Industrial league or later on the ABA which was just good enough to stay on an NBA court
@Vstrat0 It does not matter how many teams there are. In any given season there is going to be ~50% of teams over .500 and ~50% below .500. In 1962 there were 4 of 9 teams under .500 and Oscar's team was two games above .500. Even though there were only 9 teams Oscar still played half of his games against below .500 teams, he just played the same weak teams over and over again. There being more weak teams only means that you play each weak team less. NOBODY could stop Jordan!
Would you rather play against LeBron Wade Bosh18 times a season, or play them 4 times & get a whole bunch of stat-padding nights off against the Raptors, Grizzlies, Cavs etc.?
Look at '68 Pistons. Hairston, Dave Bing, DeBusschere, Tommy van Arsdale, Jim Fox - great great team, never even saw a playoff game. It's no night off playing against Hall of Fame talent, but these guys were on a losing team.
Or the Royals - Oscar, Guy Rodgers, Bob Love... losing season!!
@Vstrat0 Are you saying that Oscar would get better numbers today? You seem to be implying that. Here is a question: What would be Lebron's stats in '68? Jordan's? Shaq's?
If you move those guys to a different era, then you have to answer all kinds of questions. Is LJ going to be born in 1945, & grow up not knowing anything about weightlifting or diet, no modern shoes or training? Or are you going to beam him up in Scotty's transporter?
What rules they going to follow? Jordan's? Refs let him travel for years & never called T even when he screamed at them. Or Shaq's? Where he can charge over guys but they get whistled for it?
@dfranklin70 u are wrong.lebron,shaq...would n't be the in 60's the same athletic as now and for sure oscar,wilt,russell,baylor,west... would n't be the same as 60's.players today has much more "facilities'' and better training technic,programs to increase leaping...there are also many rules today like 3sec def.rule,no hanchecking,bigger court so more room to penetrate that make great athlets like lebron,wade...to score easier than 70s.so it's not easy to compare players from different eras
There was 4 or 5 elite teams in the 60s, Celtics, 76ers, Lakers, Hawks, Warriors. Each one of those teams had a terrific chance to win a ring each year. Two other teams were at least going to have playoff potential, and even the doormat Knicks had Willis & Bells.
In the 00s there are 4 or 5 elite teams. Celtics, Spurs, Lakers, Heat...... Dallas? Chicago is coming strong, & the Knicks well, not yet. Who else is there? Doormats. 20 doormat teams.
@Vstrat0 Jordan was not facing many weak teams in the '80s though. I could place Lamar Odom in the '60s and he would have been the first and only center to average a triple double. Also, remember that you have stat inflation in the sixties. Teams routinely averaged 120-125 possessions a game where today the average is more like 90-100, and players average up to 44-48 minutes a game where today players average 35-39 minutes. If you adjust for those factors Oscars stats are less staggering.
@dfranklin70 Jordan didn't win anything in the 80s.
Again same thing applies. What rules are you gonna use? 60s rules, Shaq would foul out by half time.
I love Lamar but Lanier, Wilt, Russell, Thurmond, Reed would handle him just fine.
I agree the game was much faster in the 60 & 70s. You didn't have 23 second plays that ended up with a 25 foot jumper like you do now. Game was much faster, more exciting, and it was about basketball, not The Decision
@professorlip You cannot compare 1972 to today. Today 6'9" is probably close to the average height of small fowards, 7 footers who are the fourth best players on their team dunking from the foul line, and Wilt would NEVER EVER EVER average 48 minutes per game over a season much less average 42 minutes at the age of 36. Today players are strong, faster, and better conditioned and they do not play those types of minutes.
@thegoldenhero Reggie Miller and Dominique Wilkins don't have a ring neither and among them they've made it to the finals only once! Reggie's Pacers did it in 00...
@Sierra688 To me Hakeem is the best big man I've ever seen, and I've seen all the great players from the 80s and 90s...since I was born in 77...and I also happen to be a Knicks fan but still Hakeem is better than Ewing...
@cr4zyftw I never saw Kareem in his prime...when I started to watch hoops, around 1986 or so, Kareem was about to retire (which he did in 89)...But I saw Dream in his prime in 94-95 so...
The Rodney Dangerfield of the NBA.
9612Max 4 days ago
@emmettk im 13 i love the big O,lew alcindor,jerry west,elgin baylor'and wilt
MrFlamethrower12 3 weeks ago
why is every comment a reply?
kimbobrand7 1 month ago
You don't judge a player by their stats but by their competition. The players in those days were donkeys who couldn't run and jump.
Humanrightsforall1 2 months ago
Those moves and the skills of Oscar were inferior to those of the 80 and 90's. I give the edge to MJ.
cwsnhu12 4 months ago in playlist sports century
@cwsnhu12 That's nice
Manik2Magik 2 months ago
@cwsnhu12 You seem to be an idiot. Basically what you said was MJ is better because hes better. People give the edge to MJ because Big O played a long time ago and many of them didnt see him play. Otherwise a point guard averaging a triple double is almost impossible to top
Oldcartoons571 1 month ago
I saw O in person several times with the Bucks in the early 70s. Being a big, strong point guard for those days (6-5, 220), he did a lot of scoring and rebounding under and near the basket. But I remember him best for his silken jump shot and seemingly effortless free throws. Each was poetry in motion:) --
stevevandien 5 months ago
Its pretty easy to compare people in Basketball, I mean the three point line never changed, the point system never changed. Look at their field goal percentage and go ahead and compare em. It might be hard comparing steels, blocks, ETC. because those things differ with what kind of players your up against.
BoggleDongMongerFlog 5 months ago
@BoggleDongMongerFlog Three point line never changed? Lmao you need to grow some brains and learn your stuff before trying to sound smart you fucking retard
animiefansHQ 2 months ago
@animiefansHQ Take your own advice bro. the three point line in the NBA has been the same since before the time of MJ or Pippen, which is whom we are all talking about. Idk what your goin on about
BoggleDongMongerFlog 2 months ago
@BoggleDongMongerFlog Lmao "Which is who we are all talking about" The video is about the big o i dont know what ur goin on about
animiefansHQ 2 months ago
@animiefansHQ ok well i wasnt talkin obout oscar when you butted into the convo. You can just watch him and know that he wouldnt compare to modern day players
BoggleDongMongerFlog 2 months ago
@BoggleDongMongerFlog do mean compare skill wise or something else
animiefansHQ 2 months ago
@animiefansHQ We're done talking
BoggleDongMongerFlog 2 months ago
@BoggleDongMongerFlog if ur talking skill wise your stupid because obviously u dont know how good big o was if u dont remember he averaged a trip double which noone has done yet idiot btw i dont see who u were having a convo with dumbass
animiefansHQ 2 months ago
@animiefansHQ YOu calling me stupid and insulting me slightly tempts me to make you look like a moron once more, but id simply confuse you, and you'd keep rambling
BoggleDongMongerFlog 2 months ago
@BoggleDongMongerFlog Sorry but you're a moron for talking to yourself
animiefansHQ 2 months ago
@animiefansHQ So your still rambling then?
BoggleDongMongerFlog 2 months ago
@BoggleDongMongerFlog yep
animiefansHQ 2 months ago
@BoggleDongMongerFlog Are you being sarcastic? The 3 point line wasnt even there for most of Oscars career and when it was there they moved it around. Yes thats right at times the 3 point line was farther away and at times it was closer. This was done to make threes easier.
Now shut up about basketball since you obviously dont know shit about it.
Oldcartoons571 1 month ago
@Oldcartoons571 you obviously didn't hear the full conversation I was having. Oh and btw. My high school basketball team THAT I PLAY FOR. Literally just won the 30th annual basketball tournament TODAY by 40 points. ANd Yes I played and scored 8 points. So I think I know something about basketball. our team is 8-0. How are you doing this year? or do you even play?
BoggleDongMongerFlog 1 month ago
@Oldcartoons571 robertson never played with the 3 point line so not really sure where you got that from. The nba started using it in '79 and the line wasnt moved around til mid 90s
CHITOWN1987 3 weeks ago
3:11 reminds me of the old guy from the Godfather 3 lol
JaySaenz916 6 months ago
I shoot my free throws like Oscar (:
jackpfree 6 months ago
I think I'd rather have Jerry west on my team than oscar. Dont get me wrong. Obviously a great player and definitely one of the greats, but he was also quite a miserable player who had his teammates afraid of him because he yelled at them constantly. By the way, you can't compare Jordan to Oscar when they come from completely different eras in basketball. 90s basketball was very competitive. I mean Jordan won 6 rings in a competitive league...(no offense but there were way more black guys in th
schw012 6 months ago
@schw012 He was "miserable" because white America made him that way. You won't understand because you're white.
badnewsreppin 5 months ago
@badnewsreppin I know. But if he had the same personality today I would not want a miserable angry fuck on my team.
schw012 1 week ago
@schw012 Obviously you're not black or you're an Uncle Tom. Oscar has every right to be angry, he was playing in a time with outright racism. The thing that amazes me about white people always judge black people but then get mad when we get angry about your judgmental and racist attitudes.
badnewsreppin 1 week ago
@schw012 Its silly to say its more competitive because there were more black people. The further along you go in basketball the more soft its gotten. When Jordan played he got almost every call he wanted and refs would hardly call him for push offs and other fouls. Jerry West wasnt the greatest teamate either if you watched his sports century, his own kids were afraid to be around him after a loss. No more dumbass arguments from you, okay?
Oldcartoons571 1 month ago
@Oldcartoons571 I believe that refs let superstars get away with a lot of things. Especially the really great superstars. They let things slide all the time, even today. And yeah, I know. Jerry West was an asshole. But I'm saying if I was to have the choice between the two, I'd take Jerry West. If Oscar was to continue to have his angry miserable fuck attitude today, I wouldn't want that on my team. I mean I don't want a dickwad on my team either, but between the two that's who I'd choose.
schw012 1 week ago
Oscar was still the best on the team even when Jabbar was there
tuzwol 6 months ago in playlist Basketball & Sports Related 2
@tuzwol NO HE WASNT HE WAS A SHELL OF HIMSELF HAAA YOU ARE RETARDED. KAREEM CARRIED OSCAR ASS . KAREEM AVERAGED OVER 30 PPG AND LIKE 16 REBOUDS THAT YEAR . OSCAR WAS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO KAREEM THAT YEAR AND NOT AS VALUABLE
ryanr20091 6 months ago
@ryanr20091 oscar had pased his prime in 70's but still could dominate...last season with royals had 26p-6reb-8as !when he join bucks with prime jabbar,who was an unstoppable off weapon and also all star dandridge,oscar did nt have to take so many efforts but it was him who create the whole bucks game and took shots when he had to,mostly clutch shots.the same as magic in 80's lakers,he was 3rd scorer!it is proven that jabbar would nt take the ring without oscar for sure...
AdreasTheGreat 6 months ago
Different eras had their best players people need to stop comparing todyas to yesterday
ESSJ333 7 months ago
@ESSJ333 the problem with oscar was he a guy who dominated the ball and put up big stats, but he didn't have the value to a basketball team as the the top 6 players did. He was never the best player on a team that even made it to a title series or game past his high school team. Even his college team did better without him. and don't bring up the bucks title team. Jabbar was easily the best player in the league at that point.
45arther 7 months ago
@ESSJ333 comparing oscar to jordan is silly. jordan was better on the offensive end and much better on defense. he also had the unstoppable will to win, unlike oscar. his stats were infatted because of the era he played in.
45arther 7 months ago
Oscar Robertson is the most complete basketball player to EVER lace on a pair of sneakers. PERIOD. You can't score 27,000 points, dish out 9,900 assists, pull down nearly 8,000 rebounds and register a little over 2,000 steals and not be considered the most complete player in nba history. And by the way folks, Oscar did all that at 6'5, 215 pounds. It's laughable that most people seem to think that nba basketball didn't begin until Jordan came into the league in 1984. Have some perspective, folks
roderick9ful 7 months ago
@CEO1451 You make a good point. Media and marketing will make a difference, but in the end, future generations will still refuse to believe that past players were as good as the one's they are watching currently. Air Jordan will just be a legend. Somebody new will come along that young people will insist is better than Michael could possibly have been. After all, what do older folks know?
emmettk 8 months ago
"he could make you look silly " longtime rival Jerry Sloan said "but he never showed you up,never got in your face. Oscar just scored on you, then ran to the other end to defend"
ElMatadorAzteca1 8 months ago
what makes me laugh is that they say babe Ruth was the greatest baseball player of all time but when your talking about basketball apparently the past is worse that the present
ElMatadorAzteca1 8 months ago
Hondo said it!!!!
ElMatadorAzteca1 8 months ago
@emmettk totally agree i mean im only 18 but ive known who robertson,chamberlain,russell,fulks,mikan and all those old guys since i was 14. i mean i talk and discuss with people about basketball and some dont even know who robertson is. its a real shame
ElMatadorAzteca1 8 months ago
Oscar Robertson was better in cincanati royals because he average a triple double for a whole season
mrakjx 8 months ago
the big O destroyed his legacy just like isiah thomas by being a dick
alluvialedaempfer 8 months ago
Nah Oscar Robertson wasn't better than MJ as far as scoring. Defense MJ was way better. Robertson was more of a prolific passer, and better rebounder than MJ though. Robertson rating-Offense 9.4, Defense 8.8, Speed 8.5, rebound 10, passing 9.0. MJ offense 10, defense 10, rebound 8.9, speed 8.8, passing 8.0. MJ is the best strongest finishing guard in nba history. Ball handling Robertson 9.0 MJ ballhandling 10.
SamuelMoralesJr 9 months ago
@SamuelMoralesJr Robertson defense is 8.6 in my rating, not 8.8. Sorry. Elgin Baylor is rated 8.8.
SamuelMoralesJr 9 months ago
@SamuelMoralesJr actually robertson defense was better than jordan his offensive skills just over shadowed his great defensive skills.
ElMatadorAzteca1 8 months ago
@ElMatadorAzteca1 lol no he wasn't. Oscars offense isn't better than Jordan's either. Oscar wasn't a lock down defender. He wasn't a poor defender, but he wasn't exceptionally great either. Jordan practiced harassing defense, & tried to manipulate his man to create turnovers.
SamuelMoralesJr 8 months ago
@SamuelMoralesJr what oscar offense was better if not equal to jordans. he was a much better pass,rebounder and over all play people loved to play with him becuase he made players better . robertson lived in the time of giants and were rebounding was hard for a shorter player to get , and by getting those rebounds he was able to give his team 2nd chance opportunities which a great contribution to and offensive game
ElMatadorAzteca1 8 months ago
@SamuelMoralesJr Oscar Robertson was the epitome of completeness on BOTH ends of the court. Back then, the nba did not recognize steals and blocked shots as official stats. Yet, The Big O registered over 2,000 steals unofficially in his career, which puts him pretty much where Jordan is. Jordan's stature primarily benefitted greatly because he played in an era of enhanced marketing and tremendous social media outlets. Jordan's best season saw him average 32, 8 and 8. Oscar did that four times.
roderick9ful 7 months ago
@roderick9ful are you kidding. jordan was maybe the best defensive guard ever. on't give me Oscar's steal numbers like that makes him a great defensive player. You are kidding right. Oswald was never known as a defender. magic another weak defender had alot of steals also. Sometimes it just means you player alot of minutes, and you took more chances then others.
arther1045 7 months ago
@arther1045 Steals weren't recorded back then.
animiefansHQ 2 months ago
The greatest after MJ
HipHop226 9 months ago
People have a tendency to elevate the stars they saw play and put down those they didn't.There's no way to fairly compare players from different eras, but anyone who dominated in their era qualifies as a great and deserves respect. It's hard for me to compare Magic to Oscar and I saw them both play. I just know they both belong in the top 10. The fact that so many don't know about Oscar is truly a shame. Years from now, young people will try to tell you Jordan wasn't all that. Just wait.
emmettk 11 months ago 22
@emmettk
Yeah - You just can't compare players of different eras. I get tired of hearing it. I mean no one compares Manning to Namath...Rice to Owens. - Why is it in Basketball people always trying to say who is better than who? - Great players are great - that's it. NBA acknowledged the 50 greatest players of all-time without ranking them. - That's how it should be.
onn1320 10 months ago 11
@onn1320 ,Rice and Owens used to be teammates,so there can be a comparison
tuzwol 6 months ago in playlist Basketball & Sports Related 2
@tuzwol
Being teammates doesn't stop people from making comparisons. - Besides they were teammates briefly. - And the point I was making is that NFL players are rarely compared (teammates or not)
onn1320 6 months ago
@onn1320 Well of course people want to know who the best is. It is totally fair to debate about who is the best.
Oldcartoons571 1 month ago
@Oldcartoons571
IMO - no such thing as "the best" - Unless you can put MJ in Oscar's shoes and vice verse - It'll be a debate that will never have an answer. PPL will never change their minds about who they "think" the best is so this debate is wasted breath. No matter how many stats are accolades you bring to the debate - PPL's minds won't change. Every Great Player is Great in their OWN RITE - Easier to just leave it a t that.
onn1320 1 month ago
@emmettk I couldn't have said it better. Great post!
irod13 9 months ago
@emmettk
bot true all ways look at lebron james every body puts him down
lbj6mj23 6 months ago
@emmettk Its funny though, Oscasr put up some great numbers and yet he hardly gets consideration from the crowd who watched Jordan play. So yeah perhaps the same will happen to Jordan but it seems like people want to cement him as the greatest ever
Oldcartoons571 1 month ago
@Oldcartoons571 Yes, it's a generational thing. Younger people will never agree that players from the past can match the present stars. The same thing will happen to Jordan's legacy in the future. I'm not even saying Oscar was necessarily better than Jordan or even Magic, but he's definitely in their class. And I'm old enough to have seen them all play.
emmettk 1 month ago
yea i also believe kareem was the best big man the most talented one
thegoldenhero 1 year ago
He just turned 72 yesterday. I made a special youtube birthday gift if anyone is interested. Nice Video man
jthecableguy 1 year ago
offensive foul at 3:40
rrrjjjmmm100 1 year ago
Robertson>russell. period. rings are a team achievement. have u seen the damn teams russel was on? jesus... id predict that 60% of the jerseys retired in boston and 50% of the celtics that are in the HOF were on his teams that won. there u go.
MrJeckel 1 year ago
How was the competition back in Oscar robertson's day compared to Magic and MJ day? MJ said that Kobe is top ten of all time or top 10 in guards, I can't remember. To me that's just flat out disrespect.
eye1em 1 year ago
Big O is a fucking LEGEND!!
xKingGaarax 1 year ago
"Just flat out kicking ass"
Haha. Quote of the documentary.
yao11ming4mvp 1 year ago
Oscar Robertson's reputation as a great player seems to keep growing. I think
the best players of the past can't help saying "nobody was better than Oscar."
maxode 1 year ago
MJ > Kobe. Always.
djmoran99 1 year ago
Thanks for being a friend, Oscar. I miss those 'breaks' in the College Grill. Hope you and Yvonne are well! Miss talking with you. Havey
donhavlicek 1 year ago
I wanted to watch athletics. Now I'm hearing lectures about how bad whites are.
Sage80 1 year ago
Everything is seen through the prism of race.
Sage80 1 year ago
if oscar played in today league he would own it he would be stronger faster and taller cause through time ppl have gotten bigger so he is the blueprint
princexmilano 1 year ago
Well MJ wasn't a PG anyway he was more of a SG. The biggest rap against Oscar was that he was such a bitter guy and often difficult teammate. But of course much of that is pretty understandable considering that he went through so much crazy racism in that era and that ended up making him kind of a bitter dick.
Also, MJ is better. Oscar is one of the top ten players of all time, but lets not waste time trying to say he's better than MJ.
lotiondolphin 1 year ago
@lotiondolphin It has nothing to do with Oscar being a "bitter dick" and everything to do with how he was treated. I get what you were saying but that was a poor choice of words.
LakersDynasty42 1 year ago
@lotiondolphin, Oscar IS better than Jordan, and so are Wilt and Magic.
THOUSANDAlRE 1 year ago
@THOUSANDAlRE how can u say that? Magic even admits MJ is the greatest he's ever seen. And Wilt was unreal although the only other big he had that was competition was Russel. Oscar was one of the greats of all time theres no doubt.
Silverpatrone15 1 year ago
@Silverpatrone15, Magic only says that out of modesty.
THOUSANDAlRE 1 year ago
@THOUSANDAlRE
gtfo lol no one dominated like jordan 6 rings 6 final mvp's
thegoldenhero 1 year ago
@thegoldenhero Jordan had pippen , Rodman, kukoc, Cartwright, paxton, kerr Robertson was in an era were the celtics were a mega team and Wilt was dominating and West n Baylor were dominating the West come on now
AmerikkazNightmare 1 year ago
@thegoldenhero no one dominated like Jordan, huh? I seem to recall a guy named Russell who anchored a team that won 11 rings. Last time I checked 11 is more than 6.
THOUSANDAlRE 1 year ago
@THOUSANDAlRE
russell was dope but him and wilt were so dope cause it was a bunch of white small dudes they played against and dominated i bet wilt couldn't score 100 now and russell he was team orientated he was dope and did his job as a center but 6 rings, 6 final mvps, 5 mvps, nba defensive player of the year...come on lol he is the single reason guys like patrick ewing, charles barkley, and karl malone don't have a ring if that isn't dominance idk what is
thegoldenhero 1 year ago
@thegoldenhero
By 1968 the NBA was predominately black. In Wilt's last season ('73) the league had 4 additional hof centers that were each black, at least 6'11", and closer to their prime than Wilt. Because there were fewer teams, he faced them more times each than players do today. This doesn't even include the other all star quality big men and hof's 6'9 and 6'10" . At age 36, an old Wilt led the league in rebounding, set an NBA record for fg%, and made all NBA 1st team defense.
professorlip 1 year ago
@professorlip
what jordan did was more impressive no shooting guard has ever dominated like that
thegoldenhero 1 year ago
@thegoldenhero scottie pippen, horace grant, kerr, kucoc, cartwright, rodman harper.
With guys like that on the team you got lots of room to manuever
Vstrat0 1 year ago
@Vstrat0
of course you need good players to win a championships i didn't say they were scrubs...
thegoldenhero 1 year ago
@thegoldenhero yeah but Oscar never had guys like that stretching the court for him. It is VERY arguable that his accomplishments are more impressive.
Vstrat0 1 year ago
@Vstrat0
but you could also argue that mj era of competition was tougher...but averaging a triple double is incredible no matter what era
thegoldenhero 1 year ago
@thegoldenhero I can't say it was tougher, at all.
Jordan had a lot of nights off. Lots of weak teams in the 90s, to wit Dennis Rodman who said 'we wouldn't have won this many games if we were playing in the 80s.' Or Jordan, who said 'it just means we are beating a lot of weak teams.'
Oscar had 9 teams in his league, so he faced Pettit & Wilkens, KC, Hondo & Sam Jones, Hot Rod & Baylor & West, Greer & Walker lots of times each season - - every game he had a serious team to face.
Vstrat0 1 year ago
@Vstrat0
they were a really great team the weaker teams couldn't handle them and the stronger ones fell...i don't see why you try to make jordan accomplishments seem so weak...
thegoldenhero 1 year ago
@thegoldenhero you leap to a conclusion. I'm only telling facts. Jordan's league was not as competitive as the 60s NBA was. Just like today's NBA.
What chance does Toronto, Utah, or Golden State have? Watching the Warriors is like watching Triple-A ball. Fun but it's a night off for the elite 8 or 10 teams.
In the 60s you had 8 or 10 teams, and that was it. All of them were elite. Everybody else played Industrial league or later on the ABA which was just good enough to stay on an NBA court
Vstrat0 1 year ago
@Vstrat0
agree to disagree then i do agree today era is weak but jordan era isn't imo
thegoldenhero 1 year ago
@thegoldenhero yeah, I guess we do gotta disagree. Because look what happened to the NBA during MJ day.
1988-89 expansion teams - Hornets, Heat, Timberwolves, Magic
1995-96 expansion teams - Raptors, Grizzlies
Not one NBA level team except for the Shaq Penny days of the Magic, and Shaq soon left.
Grizzlies went 48-199 from 96-98.
Wolves had 1 winning season 89-99
Heat had 3 winning seasons 88-98... like 42-40 seasons...
Hornets had 3 winning seasons 88-98....
Yeah, a lot of nights off.
Vstrat0 1 year ago
@Vstrat0 It does not matter how many teams there are. In any given season there is going to be ~50% of teams over .500 and ~50% below .500. In 1962 there were 4 of 9 teams under .500 and Oscar's team was two games above .500. Even though there were only 9 teams Oscar still played half of his games against below .500 teams, he just played the same weak teams over and over again. There being more weak teams only means that you play each weak team less. NOBODY could stop Jordan!
dfranklin70 11 months ago
@dfranklin70 Nonsense.
Would you rather play against LeBron Wade Bosh18 times a season, or play them 4 times & get a whole bunch of stat-padding nights off against the Raptors, Grizzlies, Cavs etc.?
Look at '68 Pistons. Hairston, Dave Bing, DeBusschere, Tommy van Arsdale, Jim Fox - great great team, never even saw a playoff game. It's no night off playing against Hall of Fame talent, but these guys were on a losing team.
Or the Royals - Oscar, Guy Rodgers, Bob Love... losing season!!
WRONG
Vstrat0 11 months ago
@Vstrat0 Are you saying that Oscar would get better numbers today? You seem to be implying that. Here is a question: What would be Lebron's stats in '68? Jordan's? Shaq's?
dfranklin70 11 months ago
@dfranklin70 I imply no such thing.
If you move those guys to a different era, then you have to answer all kinds of questions. Is LJ going to be born in 1945, & grow up not knowing anything about weightlifting or diet, no modern shoes or training? Or are you going to beam him up in Scotty's transporter?
What rules they going to follow? Jordan's? Refs let him travel for years & never called T even when he screamed at them. Or Shaq's? Where he can charge over guys but they get whistled for it?
Vstrat0 11 months ago
@dfranklin70 u are wrong.lebron,shaq...would n't be the in 60's the same athletic as now and for sure oscar,wilt,russell,baylor,west... would n't be the same as 60's.players today has much more "facilities'' and better training technic,programs to increase leaping...there are also many rules today like 3sec def.rule,no hanchecking,bigger court so more room to penetrate that make great athlets like lebron,wade...to score easier than 70s.so it's not easy to compare players from different eras
AdreasTheGreat 10 months ago
@dfranklin70 It means you play each strong team very very few times, and a whole bunch of easy teams all the time.
Vstrat0 11 months ago
@Vstrat0 No, it means that instead of play two very bad teams 9 times each, you play 6 very bad teams three times each.
dfranklin70 11 months ago
@dfranklin70 Man you just ain't thinking clear.
There was 4 or 5 elite teams in the 60s, Celtics, 76ers, Lakers, Hawks, Warriors. Each one of those teams had a terrific chance to win a ring each year. Two other teams were at least going to have playoff potential, and even the doormat Knicks had Willis & Bells.
In the 00s there are 4 or 5 elite teams. Celtics, Spurs, Lakers, Heat...... Dallas? Chicago is coming strong, & the Knicks well, not yet. Who else is there? Doormats. 20 doormat teams.
Vstrat0 11 months ago
@Vstrat0 Jordan was not facing many weak teams in the '80s though. I could place Lamar Odom in the '60s and he would have been the first and only center to average a triple double. Also, remember that you have stat inflation in the sixties. Teams routinely averaged 120-125 possessions a game where today the average is more like 90-100, and players average up to 44-48 minutes a game where today players average 35-39 minutes. If you adjust for those factors Oscars stats are less staggering.
dfranklin70 11 months ago
@dfranklin70 Jordan didn't win anything in the 80s.
Again same thing applies. What rules are you gonna use? 60s rules, Shaq would foul out by half time.
I love Lamar but Lanier, Wilt, Russell, Thurmond, Reed would handle him just fine.
I agree the game was much faster in the 60 & 70s. You didn't have 23 second plays that ended up with a 25 foot jumper like you do now. Game was much faster, more exciting, and it was about basketball, not The Decision
Vstrat0 11 months ago
@professorlip You cannot compare 1972 to today. Today 6'9" is probably close to the average height of small fowards, 7 footers who are the fourth best players on their team dunking from the foul line, and Wilt would NEVER EVER EVER average 48 minutes per game over a season much less average 42 minutes at the age of 36. Today players are strong, faster, and better conditioned and they do not play those types of minutes.
dfranklin70 11 months ago
@thegoldenhero Reggie Miller and Dominique Wilkins don't have a ring neither and among them they've made it to the finals only once! Reggie's Pacers did it in 00...
flight23magic32 1 year ago
@lotiondolphin kobe bryant is better than michael jordan
actoman1 1 year ago
@actoman1 Don't make me break out statistics.
norsemustang 1 year ago
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afonsoramos 1 year ago
Like Hakeem, Oscar is one of the most underrated greats in the history of the game.
Sierra688 1 year ago
How so...? Many say he's a better point than MJ; best PG for the ultimate dream team. That's pretty big...
Ammaculate44 1 year ago
@Sierra688 So true. They're both in my top 5
blackezi3 1 year ago
@Sierra688 To me Hakeem is the best big man I've ever seen, and I've seen all the great players from the 80s and 90s...since I was born in 77...and I also happen to be a Knicks fan but still Hakeem is better than Ewing...
flight23magic32 1 year ago
@flight23magic32 what about kareem
cr4zyftw 1 year ago
@cr4zyftw I never saw Kareem in his prime...when I started to watch hoops, around 1986 or so, Kareem was about to retire (which he did in 89)...But I saw Dream in his prime in 94-95 so...
flight23magic32 1 year ago
@flight23magic32 i started watching ball around 2003 (youngin) but i hear hakeem had the best footwork for a big man
cr4zyftw 1 year ago
@cr4zyftw Yeah that's true...how old r u btw? Im 33...and merry Christmas!
flight23magic32 1 year ago
@flight23magic32 16 and merry christmas to your family too
cr4zyftw 1 year ago
@cr4zyftw Thanks man! U 2! Where r u from? Im from Athens, Greece...
flight23magic32 1 year ago