I am going to reiterate a few things JUST IN CASE another troll jumps in here making assumptions:
1) I think the Nazis are repulsive, as are ALL socialistic tyrannies.
2) I have never seen,read, or otherwise been provided any hard evidence/proof of this so called "gassing" claim. All "they" provide is regurgitated testimony from those with a vested interest in keeping the story going.
3) Education is NOT the same as indoctrination. Only lies need protection.
In all this game, the devil is losing and at the end will be accused of everything because GOD don’t want any rivals. Conclusion: live at the full in the freedom of GOD (praying in a right form, following the INSTRUCTIONS in the Bible - keeping the 10 commandments - including keeping the Saturday as the 7th day etc.) instead of in the incapacity and limited power of devil because he is just a temporary puppet. Jesus Christ is our savior and our hope!
Why did the Nazis build a swimming pool for the inmates? Or a sports field ( the nazis even allowed guards to play in the soccer league games against various inmate teams)? or why did the Nazis allow pregnant Jews to give birth? or have a canteena where the Jews could spend their camp money (THAT'S RIGHT! THE NAZIS GAVE THEM "CAMP MONEY")?
I could also ask why the nazis would heal Jews in the camp hospital (Otto Frank) if they were destined to be gassed?
Why didn't the Soviets photograph the liberation of the eastern camps?
All of the photographs taken just after camp liberation, that are available today, are from the western camps. All of the diseased and emaciated people, alive and dead, are of the western camps. The Soviets were keen on using any propaganda they could get their hands on, even if it meant making their own, as in the ridiculous Instytut Ekspertyz Sadowych 1945 report.
For everybody that does not believe that the Nazis killed millions of Jews and others in their death camps. Where the hell did all those people go then? You cant hide 6million people somewhere... So were they never born in the first place? Or did they vanish into thin air?
@reaper555ym: No one here has ever claimed that the Nazis DIDN'T kill millions of Jews, directly or indirectly. You people keep claiming the Nazis had a vast program to gas 6 million Jews, and YOU CAN NOT PROVE IT.
If you want to argue the point, then try and stay on topic.
"Only a Zionist could claim, with a straight face, that 6 million minus 1, 2 and even 3.5 million still equals the original sum of 6 million. Only a true believer could force himself to believe such absurdity"
FACT: There is not a single photo, ideo, order, document, or even a diary entry, that documents a gassing murder by the Nazis. Nor anything that even suggests a gassing program is in place.
The WHOLE myth comes from the mouths of those with a vested interest in keeping the lie going. It should be easy to prove such a massive conspiracy; But they can't.
My son, and I have taken great pleasure in debunking the typical excuses people keep regurgitating here for the complete absence of real, or "hard" evidence/proof of gassings.
My son mentioned a great obvseration he once read elsewhere, but it begs repeating here:
The Nazis never knew of the British "ULTRA" decyphering program that was reading all of the super secret codes late 1942 onwards. The Nazis used these codes to describe the inmate rosters of the camps. Not a word on gassings. NONE!
Today we look down some latinamerican n african countries, but If we look forwards and see how the "cult" europe has grown, Im very surprised how you could be under those basic ideas about a superior race, or if being white can mean you are best than others.. Who can say is better than other only because his sking is clearer? Fortunely today at last we have learned the lesson.
From Chile, far place where the german and the jewdish finally have met in peace.
@SledgeonFront: We are NOT discussing the superiority of any race so please try to stay on topic. One does not need to go to Chile to see Jews living peacefully with their neighbors. I would like to point out that Iran has a healthy population of Jews living there. It's just not PC in western media to mention such things. And Americans are void of many interesting facts that don't help the 'powers-that-be' push their propaganda.
Why did the Nazis document every other atrocity in great detail EXCEPT the alleged gassing program?
Before someone tries again to claim the Nazis wanted to hide just this atrocity from it's own people, let me remind you that the Nazis had total control of the society and needed not to HIDE anything of the sort. The Nazis made it clearly known that the Jews were the source of their strife, and the reason for the wars. It really is, just another pathetic excuse.
@prancingdog interesting the nazis didnt just kill all those people who would be killed anyway and knowing they would be telling the advancing allies about the so called gas chambers and all. seems to me the nazis wouldnt leave any witnesses behind if thats what was really going on there. just a thought bro. lol
Jews need the gassing story to be accepted as truth because they feed off of it as perpetual victims above all victims. It's not enough for them to be just another group victimized by a larger majority somewhere at some time. They constantly remind the west that their victimhood is "special". They must refer to their persecution as above and beyond that of any other groups, and thus they are beyond reproach for anything they do "to defend from that ever happening again". It's a blank check.
Why would the Nazis waste so much of their vital resources to gas 6 million Jews, when the simple bullet (preferred method by every dictator since it's invention) is far more efficient, cheaper, and safer (for the killer at least) to use?
We keep getting these people coming in here to regurgitate the same old cliche excuses, but they fail before they even begin. A bullet, and a hole; It's cheap, effective, and doesn't require massive infrastructure.
@joshuab1980: 1) At one point history books taught that the world was the center of the universe. Surely you aren't using that logical fallacy to avoid proving your peoples' allegations? If you can't defend the accusation yourself, then that's fine. But please just say so, instead of using that cop-out.
2) I understand that you people like to refer only to YOUR history books as real history books, but you should know that history is always being scrutinized.Your ship has holes.
@prancingdog My people.....that is funny because it is the extreme majority, my people. History is history. if my grandfather says he saw this stuff happen, it happened. Why would he lie to me as a child?
I bet you probably believe the South won the Civil War or the White Sox didn't throw the 1919 Series because it written in "our" history books to the contrary. You people will never erase what happened from the world's history and you are wasting your breath trying to do it.
@joshuab1980: Again you fall for the logical fallacy known as " majority makes truth". I reiterate that many things taught to the masses in "history" books was outright fanciful. Of course you can point to acceptable truths here and there, but you can not prove that there was a Nazi program to gas millions of people out of existence.
Furthermore, MY father fought along with my uncle in that war and never saw anything in the camps to support the LATER CLAIMS of gassings.
@joshuab1980: Finally, my people have been increasing in numbers at an ever increasing rate due to the diligence of our predecessors. I was once a 'true-believer', as I like to call you people, and was enlightened to some very interesting facts about the Great Myth you call the gassing story.
I'd hate to point this out to you, but I am NOT an American, and your view that the majority sides with you is only true in western "democracies". The west is collapsing. So pitiful.
prancing - bullets, too expensive. Germany was VERY poor due to their war efforts. Also, why does their have to be paper documentation regarding the "final solution"? Cannot the Nazi brass just "talk' about and make decisions with their language skills?
@joshuab1980: 1) 6 million bullets could be produced in several days, at a cost to the war effort far below that of poison gas. Your assumption doesn't explain why the Nazis would waste so much resources trying to keep inmates ALIVE by delousing them, and their clothes with ZyklonB. Germany was NOT "poor".
2) No, the Nazis were prolific bureaucrats and documented EVERYTHING that was part of the administration, and war effort. Anything that took so much resources REQUIRES a plan.
@prancingdog No, The Nazis ran what is called a war economy. They borrowed money from the people, they printed money, they stole it from Jewish people and political opponents. That was then used to build up the army and start the war. The people were poorer than their neighbouring countries France, UK, Netherlands etc. Food and clothing as well as fuel was rationed.
@prancingdog They then looted Poland and all the other countries they occupied during the war and used that for the war effort. but that could only last so long. Remember, the years before the war across Europe was the Great Depression: high unemployment, drastic wage cuts for those still with jobs, falling commodity prices for farmers, constantly reduced unemployment compensation in those few countries that had it.
@prancingdog It all goes back to poison making the most sense. the Germans weren't going to chase the Jews through the streets of Germany and other occupied areas shooting at Jews, that would be a logistical nightmare, and it would also make the secret they hid from the rest of the world including their own citizens much less discreet. Besides are we forgetting WORLD WAR 2 was going on to which Germany was the ANTAGONIST! They needed the bullets for the war, and with Allied
@prancingdog forces bombing German infrastructure including munitions plants, where bullets are made, it just made more sense and was a quieter way to poison than arouse suspicion.
@joshuab1980: Every nation during ww2 was on a "war economy", and was borrowing against their future. That doesn't mean there was any shortage of bullet production, or availability, during the alleged gassings. You are making up an excuse that simply doesn't pass even logical critique; let alone logistical research. The FACT is that bullets have been used by EVERY dictator since it's invention to commit genocide. I would love for you to explain why the nazis shot everyone else then?
@prancingdog They gassed everyone and shot many people too. I didnt say they didnt shoot anyone, they just wanted to be discreet about the death camps, and not necessarily for the people they were at war with, but mostly their own citizens. It wasn't just Jews, but there were certainly more Jews that were gassed than the average POW.
@joshuab1980: "Discreet about the death camps"?! You are too far gone if YOU think the camps were "discreet".
1) I never said that YOU said they "didn't shoot anyone". I said they shot people because it was quick, and efficient. The camps were work/detention camps, and any allegation that gassing people is more efficient is illogical, and unproven.
2) YOU people are the ones making an accusation of a gassing program. Therefore...YOU people have the burden of proof. continued~>
3) YOU can get upset if I call YOUR unproven accusation illogical if YOU want to, but it most certainly isn't "ad hominem". Indirectly calling me a conspiracy nut bhy lumping me into other conspiracies is more of an "ad hominem" attack than anything. So please stay on topic.
4) "Where did 1.5 mil. Jews disappear to?" Who said they didn't? Again, don't ASSume. It only makes you insult yourself amongst fair minded readers. And then you get upset that I point it out.
5) We are talking about the alleged gassing of 6 million, err...I mean, 4 million err... WHATEVER NUMBER YOU PEOPLE ARE NOW CLAIMING. It's so telling when someone who makes a criminal allegation keeps retelling the same story with very important CHANGES everytime it is pointed out that the original story is questioned.
YOU can keep reciting the same people as your "eyewitness", but credibility needs corroboration. THAT, you don't have. It's too easy to debunk.
@joshuab1980: Furthermore, I would also like you to explain why the nazis would hide just one of the "war crimes" they were allegedly committing when they didn't fear the other ones being known? You're ASSuming the nazis feared the countries they were ALREADY AT WAR WITH from finding out. It simply doesn't pass the smell test. It's just another example of excuse upon excuse to cover for the failing myth of a gassing program. A program that has no hard evidence. Just accusations.
@prancingdog So now you use ad hominem to try to shove your made up facts down at me? Fact is, many many survivors speak of the atrocities that occured in Southwest Poland, and even many former SS themselves. Where did a million and a half Jews just "disappear" to? You denial people sound like the same people that say the US blew the towers up themselves on 911, when in fact, you have NO FACTS claiming your ridiculous claims that it (the gassing) NEVER happened!
@joshuab1980: Furthermore, I ask that you use the "reply" button so I can get a notification in my inbox, and can respond as promptly as possible. Unless you want to just drop a comment and hope I don't return to this video thread to respond. I get that a lot, and don't mean to be insulting. I simply ask for the opportunity to respond when confronted with questions/debate. Thanks.
@joshuab1980 u forget that documenting means more than just paper documents. it includes pics and vids and electronic communications also. just thought u should know. i used to argue with prancingdog over this topic but he got me to look into a lot of the stuff i was repeating from school and tv. i now agree with him and call myself a fellow skeptic of this great mythology.
@prancingdog Keep up the good work brother. I like how Zyworski gave up and left. I guess he doesn't want to associate with us evil folk. ha-ha. I admit I didn't want to give you the time of day either, but oh well. Now I can't stop reading cuz of your business and newsletters. argh! Thnx for the discounted Christmas codes. Take care, and send me more of those stewardess pics. ha-ha
SO BACK TO MY SIMPLE QUESTION AWAITING A LOGICAL ANSWER:
Why didn't the Nazis just shoot the 6 million Jews?
AND ANOTHER SIMPLE QUESTION:
How does anyone explain the lack of documentation of anything to do with a gassing program and/or it's alleged victims? (I've heard the "oh well...the nazis destroyed the evidence before the war ended" excuse, but it doesn't jive with known spying programs).
Whenever I watch these concentration camp videos I can't help but notice all the holocaust deniers coming out of the woodwork. Operating on the assumption that the holocaust is real and millions were gassed, the next logical step is to ask why? What is it that caused so great a falling out between two peoples? I know about the Balfour Declaration and all that, but can't help but feel there were additional grievances that the history books have glossed over.
@Zyworski: I was educated in private, and public schools. I hold degrees in higher education. I watch the tele. I read insatiably. I even continue to go to the theatre to watch movies I know will have much of the same old assertions and opinions regarding history, because they are entertaining. My skepticism is constantly reviewed internally as I read, watch, travel, and experience life (I am up their in age).
I have learned to question. I disbelieve in this case. That's "why".
Why would the Nazis not just use the simple, and very effective bullet to murder the Jews?
NOTE: Please keep in mind that I have already destroyed the claim that gassing large groups is somehow more efficient than a bullet, but feel free to try to pass that logically inept excuse if you wish.
@prancingdog two reasons ( not wanting to start another debate ) firstly it is wasteful of ammunition, secondly it is said to have a negative impact on the shooter, hence why the einsatzgruppen were abolished, as shooting Jews and eastern Europeans was having a negative impact on the SS, and lowering morale amongst them.
@ridleybowen1: 1) Bullets are FAR FAR cheaper to produce, use, and HIDE during wartime. The making of ZyklonB is dangerous in itself, but now we must consider transport, and use of said gas to allegedly kill so many people. The infrastructure must also be VASTLY more elaborate to use. So I, and EVERY other dictator, disagree with you.
2) I've heard this "impact on the shooter argument", and it laughable at best. The Nazis shot all sorts of people just fine. Why not the Jews?
3)The SS were known for being exceptionally brutal to ALL of Germany's enemies, and ESPECIALLY the Jews. Just because you can regurgitate the typically pathetic excuse that other Zionists have tried to pass off already, doesn't mean it passes the smell test.
A bullet is usable in any location, gas requires infrastructure. Gas lingers, bullets don't. Bullets are made by the billions during war, and are incredibly cheap, and effective. Try some new excuse.
I attempted to forward an excerpt from an email I received from a friend that is an active army offcier in your US army. Youtube removed my post several times and emailed me a policy section which "restricts sensitive military maneuvers information and/or directives". All I wanted to do was mention that this officer was transferred to an administrative job, and denied another promotion, due to his refusal to go to Iraq for religious reasons. How is that "sensitive information"?
It seems the Zionists here in America are colluding with the Zionists of Israel to prep us for their next war of aggression. Iran is effectively surrounded, and stands as the only real power against the influences of Zionism in the Middle East, so naturally they are the next target on the list. Once again, my friends and family will be sent to fight for Israel, and the rest of America will foot the bill with inflation and economic stagnation.
@ThomasG10mtn: Doesn't your Army have a process to apply for "Conscientious Objector" status? I'm fairly sure they do. But if they don't then what would the penalty be for refusing deployment on morality grounds?
@prancingdog Not sure bro. I am not the only one in my unit that has said we won't go if Iran is next. I'm sure they will threaten us under ucmj notice of intent regs, but oh well. I'd rather deal with that then fight another 'preemptie war'. Wars of aggression were once called 'preemptive wars' by people like stalin, hitler, and tojo. just to name a few.
Auscwitz was a concentration camp like all the others. People were sent there for many reasons, and many served their time and were released. Jews were considered untrustworthy of release and had to do deal with a lot more cruelty than many other groups. But I don't believe the claim the nazi gased people there anymore.
A horrible place yea. A place of mass murder by gasing, no.
@ridleybowen1 wow you should really look up the word 'ignorant' before you jump into a forum with no knowledge or facts about the person you are insulting.
Ignorant-lacking knowledge or information pertaining to a particular fact or subject.
How ignorant of you to assume you know anything about my education and background. You are just another youtube ass. That is just my opinion though. lol
The Nazis never had a systematic program to gas millions of people. Any, and all, attempts to continue this charade makes the suffering endured by so many of that era, a farce.
You Zionists, and true believers are hypocrites. You insult the memory of those you exalt time and again. You only help the cause of NeoNazis by your insistence on this fairy tale gassing story. You make future suffering almost inevitable.
Pressac STRENGTHENS the revisionist position by making numerous concessions throughout his alleged rebuttal to revisionists.
"There is no conclusive or documentary evidence for the widely claimed homicidal gassings in the Auschwitz main camp crematory building. The entire building was drastically "restructured" and "reconstituted" after the war, and the crematory chimney there is phony." pp. 123, 131-133,144-146, 551.
@ridleybowen1: It's interesting that your post is removed so quickly. Since I still have the original in my reply box, I will quote your cliche attack against me.
"no proof besides a still standing gas chamber, with blue walls, caused from the chemical reaction with ZYKLON B"~ Just because you people keep calling a fumigation room a gas chamber doesn't mean it is one. And ZyklonB was the standard use fumigant for pest control. YOU can't prove your claims, so you resort to insults.
YOU call me "ignorant" and "uneducated". YOU are using the same old, and boring, insults that others far more talented than you have already slung my way. I really don't care if you want to believe this fairy tale that no one can prove. I really don't care if you want to insult me because I don't believe you people anymore. BUT AT LEAST TRY TO BE ORIGINAL IN YOUR THOUGHTS AND CHARGES. Trolling in here just makes you look childish. Try something new.
@prancingdog coming from the one who goes on videos about the holocaust, spreading your very controversial opinion all over youtube, when some people watching this may well have family members who were victims of the terrible things the Nazi's brought upon the Jew's, whether you don't believe in the gas chambers, it is hugely disrespectful to continuously argue with people on a, video someone has made in remembrance of the Jews. Keep you views to yourself, whether they are right or wrong.
@ridleybowen1: I first would like to thank you for typing a cogent, and respectful reply. It is refreshing to read a well thought out response to anything I have typed previously. However, I don't take issue with the premise of the video being a remembrance to victims. I take issue with people regurgitating the idea that millions of people were gassed there. I only seek the truth, and truth is the only respectful way to remember the victims of that era. Truth needs no protection.
@prancingdog clearly you don't understand where I'm coming from however quoting yourself "YOU can't prove your claims, so you resort to insults." renders you a hypocrite by calling me a "youtube ass", but I respect the fact you put across your opinions, without the need to insult everyone and with plenty of evidence to back your point up. Yet I believe there were gas chambers, whether you do or not, and I am sorry to hear of your grandfathers death.
@ridleybowen1: I do know where you are coming from. I've heard the same arguments and concerns for sensitivity from many others. Like I have already mentioned...YOU are the ones claiming there was a program to gas millions of people. YOU have the burden of proof. Expecting ME to prove something doesn't exist is impossible because NO ONE can prove something's non-existence.
Calling YOU an "ass" for being a hypocrite is my opinion, and not requiring proof. You are entitled to yours.
@ridleybowen1: Additionally...Since I have already demonstrated the huge logical pitfalls, and outright fallacies concerning the majority of the evidence you true-believers keep reciting, I simply wait for you to bring something new to the table. Until then, I expect you to just claim your beliefs in this unproven historical fable, and sling insults, just to cry when someone shuts you down with a taste of your own medicine. I think you have potential to open your mind, however.
@ridleybowen1: HAHAHA LMFAO! Did you seriously just tout your credentials on a youtube forum? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh yeah tough guy! I have two PHDs from Harvard and Cabridge. HAHAHAHA
I want to thank you for making me laugh so hard. I WAS having a really good day, but you just made it that much better. Thanks for the hardy laugh. LOL
@ridleybowen1: Of course it was. Let me know when you're ready to hear from both sides of an argument before forming your opinion. I'd be glad to point out many of the flaws with the whole systemic gassing claim of WW2. Below is one of my favorite quotes:
"The fact that all of the evidence of gassing comes from those with a vested interest in it, makes me want corroborating evidence before I accept such an extraordinary tale. The first question I ever had was; Why not a bullet?"
@ridleybowen1 Furthermore, my grandfather died during that war as the result of it. So when you speak of victims, and their relatives. You are speaking of me. So if anything, I have a right to voice my views/skepticism regarding that war. If you feel that only the victims of Auschwitz can voice their views about Auschwitz, then I completely disagree. If someone is doing a wrong, "disrespecting" the wrong doer should be the last thing one should worry about. TRUTH MATTERS.
@ridleybowen1 youtube is a public place where all kinds of 'controversial opinions' are said. werent u the one who came in here spewing insults as the basis of ur entire post? at least u finally decided to put up a normal post speaking ur mind. but this isnt a church or private home. youtube is a public forum, and i happen to agree with prancindog. censure is evil.
In fact the extermination of the Jews was such an open secret that in 1943-44, train passengers going through Auschwitz station in daytime crowded to the windows to better see where the Jews were being liquidated, and at night they saw Birkenau brilliantly lit by the thousand lamps of its perimeter fence. What they did not know, and this was the only “secret”, was the method used by the SS. --Jean Claude Pressac "AUSCHWITZ:
@clintonearlwalker HAHAHA You cite someone who describes how the Nazis COULDN'T keep such a vast program secret, and goes on to use conjecture when he states that the witnesses didn't actually see gassings taking place, but knew it was happening? HAHAHAHAHA
Pressac himself never mentions any damning proof of a gassing program. He calls them "criminal traces".
@clintonearlwalker: HAHAHA Typical. Just leave if you can't support your views. I thank you for helping me show how weak your position really is. Go try your schoolyard debating tactics somewhere else little boy.
Typical schoolyard debater tactic:
A) "The sun rose in the west and set in the east during the war."
B) "What are you talking about?! I would love to see whatever proof you have to support such a ridiculous claim."
A) "Oh yeah, well...you're ugly!" {storms off grumbling}
"Gilnod" tried to come on here under his new name "JohnBlunt59" and argue with me under both names in a failed attempt at creating the illusion of mass acceptance of his beliefs/argument. He accidently blew it when he used the wrong name to refer back to something he said under his other name, and is still trying to save face by returning to proclaim righteousness.
This is how they operate. Threats, scorn, and trickery is their only ally. They can only stall.
Why didn't the British ever decode ANY correspondence mentioning anything about a murderous gassing program?
I am referring to the ULTRA decoding of the most secret of German codes. This makes it impossible for the Nazis to destroy the documents that Jews keep claiming. It also means the Nazis cared more about hiding a crime, than winning a war, since they used these codes for military maneuvers as well. It really punches a HUGE hole in the whole gassing claim!
@prancingdog You know what pdog, i keep coming back to this thread, you know why?. Because there is an answer to every one of your claims. As much as i"d like to, i aint gonna get into this debate with you. As far as you & RB are concerned, me & jb59 are the same person so i have no credibility. You carry on with your claims, you are obviously convinced they"re true, allthough the fact you have to keep repeating them to non-existing responses makes me more convinced they"re not.
@gilnod: HAHAHA! You got caught, boy. Stop embarrassing yourself. I have succeeded numerous times already by just asking simple questions that believers like you can't answer. You people jump in and repeat the same old claims that so many have regurgitated before you, and then run and hide behind the "answers exist, but I won't debate with people like you" excuse. You are such a coward. I only hope you open your eyes and see the massive holes in your precious gassing ship. It's sinking.
@gilnod HAHAHA You got caught as just another fraud trying to hock your beliefs. I thought you "don't intend to get into an argument..."with me over this. You just wanted to be another Youtube Troll that drops in, makes a claim, and leaves on your high horse thinking you won somehow.
Just go away. And stop BOLD typing specific words like I do. Copying me is not flattering at all. It's pathetic. You succeeded at failure.
@gilnod Also...If you are going to portray yourself as another person, don't make blatantly obviously mistakes like using "59" in your generic name to denote someone of age, when you are using age-group diction. You only make it easy to see the fraud that you are.
Try again. Maybe you will open your mind to the obvious.
FRAUD ALERT: Today is October 28, 2011. "JohnBlunt59" has made his very first comment ever on Youtube because his account says he joined Oct 24,2011, and his activity has him as ONLY visiting this video.
Isn't it funny for "gilnod" to make such a blatantly asinine, self congratulatory statement to himself.
"Especially the SS guard at Treblinka I recommended"-JohnBlunt59 never "recommended" that. Gilnod did. YOU JUST GOT CAUGHT, YOU FRAUD!
Why don't YOU stop copying my BOLD wording also! HAHA
Finally I don't intend to get into an argument with somebody whose obviously decided his version is right despite ALL the evidence to the contrary, for whatever personal motive. Tell you what - search through the tube and listen to ALL the witness statements, especially the SS guard at Treblinka I recommended that was secretly taped.
If you really think he lied then you're definitely beyond help..........perhaps some medication?
@JohnBlunt59 Your last 4 posts are spot on JB. I"ve tried to say the same thing in previous posts but not as eleguently as you. Sadly, i"m afraid as far as pdog is concerned, you will probably find you are p.....g in the wind.
@prancingdog You know what pdog.... i"ve finally sussed you out. You cant read the replies you get, can you?. You hav"nt got the intelligence to understand, & analyse, the responses your opinions generate, have you?. Why dont you respond to the specific points that JB, & myself, have put to you, instead of ignoring them, & spewing the same crap you give to everybody else that does"nt agree with you?.
@JohnBlunt59 Do you even realize how stupid it is for you to finish your tirade with a statement like "Finally I don't intend to get into an argument with someone whose obviously decided his version is right despite ALL the evidence"? HAHAHA
You believers keep regurgitating the same old claims, and resort to the same old "witnesses" or tortured "confessions" as the crust of your accusation. You simply can not explain why there is no hard core evidence, or proof. So you spew conjecture & scorn.
Thousands of serial killers have been jailed (or executed) in courts around the world without film evidence! Do you actually believe that something hasn't happened unless it was filmed happening - which is basically your ridiculous argument!! The evidence for the holocaust is all over the internet, the evidence against the holocaust is non-existant beyond "ALL the witnesses lied" - pathetic. Why don't you people get help from a doctor or something similar. 100's of witnesses for, none against.
@gilnod Still talking to yourself. Do you even realize you messed up when you used the phrase: "Especially the SS guard at Treblinka I recommended" on your JB user name? You are so retarded you mixed up which name you were using, AND NOW YOU ARE CALLING ME AN "IDIOT"?!!!!
HAHAHA! My face hurts from laughing at you. Thanks for making my day that much better. HAHAHA!!!
Maybe you, and your alter ego can comfort each other. Pathetic doesn't quite explain your failures. HAHAHA!
You holocaust deniars are little more than a disgrace to humanity and an insult to the dead. What is your motive exactly? Are you a neo-nazi? Because your argument that "everyone lies" is childish in the extreme and lacking in any depth whatsoever. It speaks volumes about your motive which appears to be some sort of a kinship with the SS and the nazi's or perhaps a revulsion for the jews? You expect people to believe that "everyone lies"? The jewish and german witnesses ARE the evidence!
You're living in a fantasy world invented by yourself. It was the biggest crime ever - they tried to exterminate a race, they then tried to systematically destroy the evidence, of course they didn't film it THAT would be illogical. Even the German people of that time wouldn't have been able to comprehend that, let alone the allies.
You're seriously trying to say that this is an enormous conspiracy involving prisoner sonderkommandos AND the SS themselves? Everyone lies but you're right? Mad.
Again we hear, or read for that matter, the same old "witnesses" and "confessions" claims when these believers are confronted with the serious lack of hard core evidence to back up such claims.
If I wanted to kill a hundred thousand people in an area, I wouldn't waste vast amounts of valuable resources moving them far away just to kill them upon arrival with a dangerous (to me), and inefficient method like gassing. I would shoot them wherever found and claim they raised arms against me.
Of course the nazis didn't film the mass extermination of the jews by gas in death camps! It was the crime of the century - millenium in fact. Commonsense should tell anybody balanced that this would have been disasterous if it was to be seen by the german people. Its hardly rocket science is it?
But there are hundreds of eye witness accounts to the fact - including by the SS killers, why would they admit to it? Even in private interviews? Look here at the Treblinka SS guard interview.
@JohnBlunt59 It is a completely illogical excuse for the Nazis making ONLY ONE exception to their criminality and barbarism. The Nazis took meticulous records of their murders using different methods. Shootings, hangings, and even beheading were recorded on paper and photo/video. They feared no one.
Your "common sense should tell anyone balanced" is funny since it is completely conjectural, and opinionated. Regurgitating "witness" lies, and questionable "admissions" is laughably pathetic.
The Nazis committed many crimes. But there is no hard evidence of a gassing program.
The Zionists, and Soviets needed to make the Nazis into a new class of barbarism. Zionists wanted Israel. The Soviets needed to excuse the crimes they committed as being "necessary".
where are the film clips of Jews being forced into the showers? where are photos? where are the photos or films of thousands of bodies being loaded into industrial ovens? where are the photos of thousands of tons of ashes being wheel barreled out into where ? the fields? where is actual physical evidence. I am tired of hear say. Pics or it didn't happen.
@TravellerFellow There is plenty of Nazi documentation and plenty of photographs of DEAD innocent people. The nice thing about German's quick downfall was that they had zero time to rid themselves of all the secrets and things that would embarrass them after the war. Thats besides the fact that one can't seem to find an explanation for how millions of jews somehow disappeared out of nowhere. The sooner you stop blinding yourself to the blatantly obvious truth, the better off you'll be.
@Hustada what a TYPICAL Holohoax answer! I request just a LITTLE specificity, and I get the S.O.S answer about "plenty of Nazi documentation". I KNOW that if specific phoots, films, and documents EXISTED, the Jew Media Machine would have FLOODED Planet Earth with selfsame. why hasn't this happened? VERY simple, NO such documentation exists. It isn't any more difficult to understand than that.
@TravellerFellow: BRAVO! Well reasoned reply to the true believer "Hustada". He fell into the old logic fault that has plagued these zionists for so long. First he claims the obvious: "..Germany's quick downfall was that they had zero time to rid themselves of all the secrets...". And then he tries to pass off the same old accusation that "millions of jews somehow disappeared".
They can't prove the gassing claims, so they point to diseased bodies, and malnutrition as proof. Such hubris!
@TravellerFellow Idiot. There are pictures to the right of this comment box. There is also a plethora of Nazi documentation that is very blatant about their plans for the jews AND the world. Its obvious you have zero intentions of seeking out such truth or you would have found it already. There is even AUDIO on this very site of Himmler discussing such things in a private meeting with higher ups. If you can't admit that much then read Mein Kampf as its also very blatant about what Hitler wanted.
What we have here is the belief of victim's extraordinary claims of persecution without ANY real evidence to support it. In fact, the illogical, and easily debunked nature of the "evidence" that is provided actually makes the claim that much more questionable. AFTER ALL, WHAT TRUTH NEEDS THE PROTECTION OF SO MANY LIES?
The Nazis were evil, and committed many crimes. BUT THAT DOESN'T EXCUSE MAKING A PROFITABLE LIE. Their evil just makes accepting the lie easier.
HCN concentrations in the alleged "gas chambers" do not back the claim they were homicidal gas chambers, killing thousands daily. The FUMIGATION/DELOUSING rooms do have ZyklonB (i.e HCN) residue, but it matches the official use of the rooms as FUMIGATION/DELOUSING rooms!
It's like finding a burnt match at a house fire and screaming "ARSON! I HAVE THE PROOF!". And then threatening anyone who says "wait a second, what if the fire lit the match, and not the other way around?" It's conjecture!
@prancingdog the argument is to reject it because it is beyond human comprehension. You said your burnt match anology is conjecture, that only applies if there is no witnesses. We have witnesses here, not only that, we have the testimonies of the perpetrators. Using your anology again, your torture claim is conjecture in relation to those perpetrators. Groning, Munch, Klehr & Kaduk were not tortured, why would they admit to what they did & saw? Why dont you see things that are there instead.CONT
@gilnod Furthermore..You rely so heavily on "witnesses" who have on several occasions admitted to not actually seeing the gassings, but were told by others. This is called hearsay. Other "witnesses" flat out made a career out of telling these spurious tales. Elie Wiesel especially.
Lastly. How do you explain ULTRA never finding any evidence? The Brits knew about every death from 1942 on. DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE ALLEGED GASSING!
All you have are claims by people with an interest in lying.
Why do you believe the same people who flat out lied about which camps had a gassing program, and which didn't?
FACT: Original claim was EVERY concentration camp had a gas chambers. At the end of the war, American Congressman were paraded through camps and shown "gas chambers". NOW! THESE LIARS SAY THAT ONLY THE CAMPS CAPTURED BY THE SOVIETS HAD GAS CHAMBERS. Unavailable for forensic inspection. How convenient!
@prancingdog I did"nt say "did"nt have much to lose". Read the post again.
If the only camps that had the chambers were unavailable for forensic inspection, where do you get the HCN readings?
The only people i believe are the people who for no good reason admitted to it happening. Why torture someone into admitting something happened that did"nt? Why invent something like that? The crime was bad enough, why invent something else?. If people cannot comprehend the enormity of what happened..CONT
@gilnod Firstly, if you don't even understand what the Jews have gained from keeping this great myth going, then I won't waste my time anymore. At least others have tried to contest the idea the Jews have gained anything from this. But if you seriously don't know, then I suggest you read up on post war history.
Secondly. The Soviets didn't allow the allies to investigate the camps, and said they would provide the evidence they find to the tribunals. The Soviets admitted to lying decades later.
@gilnod: Every Nazi that specifically admitted to taking part in gassing people, NOT OTHER CRIMES, was tortured into making such "confessions". I completely disagree with you that they "didn't have much to lose". Hoess is the best example, especially since his "confession" is the most touted. Hoess' family was threatened with being turned over to the Soviets. Hoess himself was beaten, drugged, and threatened. HIS TESTICLE WAS CRUSHED!
How do you explain away the British ULTRA program?
How did the Nazis destroy the copies of all of their documents in the hands of the British?
(The Brits decoded EVERY secret document going in and out of the concentration camps, INCLUDING THE DEATH REPORTS daily sent to the Nazi hierarchy. The "ULTRA" decoding program 1942/43.)
@prancingdog Why do they admit to such a thing?...they have nothing to gain & much to lose. The only fault i can see in this debate is the Jewish insistance on exaggeration, but it did happen. Why?, because the people who done it, said it did. At the end of the day pdog, thats all we can go on.
slander- a malicious, false, and defamatory statement made orally.
libel-defamation by written statement. anything written of malicious, and misleading accusation.
' the burden of proof will remain the responsibility of the accuser. Such as it were necessary to delineate the guilt of the accused, it must be from a credible source, free from reasonable question or logical pitfall.'
'A thousand voices of persecution can not corroborate each other, if they have the same reward.'
1) You are making the same "claim" that so many keep making, BUT YOU SIMPLY HAVE NO HARD PROOF OF.
2) what autopsy reports? The ones made by the Soviets? Are you suggesting that one victim corroborates the word of another victim's claims? The Soviets built most of the crap one sees at Auschwitz. They are pathological liars.
3)AGAIN...I would admit to killing millions to stop my torture. I would welcome death at that point. He "confessed" to killing 2.5 million jews there.
4) Hoess' "confession" stopped his torture, and is grossly exaggerated, AND YOU STILL THINK IT'S SOUND? UGH!
5) How convenient for your p.o.v that the Nazis destroyed everything that would corroborate the claims of angry (justifiably so) victims, and enemies of the Nazis. You might believe someone who claims something, and then makes another extraordinary claim to hide the severe lack of evidence to corroborate the first. I DON'T.
6) The Brit soldiers admitted to it in the 1980's proudly. Sgt Clarke was so proud he tortured Hoess he exclaimed it was "the only time he felt solace for the treatment of his fellow Jews at the hands of those evil pigs".(Legions of Death 1983 pg12&13) AND (Simpson van Rhoden Commission of Enquiry, minutes 12.001)
7) The Nazis didn't go inside the open fire pits when they photoed the bodies being burned either. Or stand in front of the firing sqds. Your premise is absurd.
I guese you are so dumb that I have to ask you again.... why do we not know that the jews were living a comfortable live during their holocaust while the palestines have to suffer severly during their holocaust.
after all the palestines are facing fosphor bombing, dayly humilliation, being raped by piggedlookedliked stinking jew terrorists
@prancingdog yea i know. i luv when these ppl come in here and try to say we are eil, or neonazis, or whtvr, and then they cant defend the gassing claims they spew. they are incapable of making an intelligent argument without resorting to ad hominem attacks. its so typical of sheeple.
So now that we have discarded another gassing storyteller. Let's wait until the next idiot tries to bring up the same old lies. I simply love showing people how stupid their baseless belief in this myth is.
I wait for someone to provide just one piece of solid, cold hard, real proof. A recon photo, a German order, a decoded intercept,...SOMETHING NOT FROM JUST THE MOUTHS OF KNOWN LIARS.
Zionists stole a land by telling lies about being murdered by Germany. Plain and simple. There is not one proof of "gas chambers" in Auschwitz, it's a lie and Nuremberg a parody of a trial.
Funny when some asshat drops in, like a typical youtube troll, and attacks the thinks I have been posting. Then runs away when I ask them to simply provide the hard proof that the Nazis had a systematic gassing program. They always refer to the "witnesses" that didn't actually see anything. Or the "Confessions" that were tortured out of Germans. Or the "gas chambers" built by the Soviets. The same lies, from the same sources.
Just ask them for ONE recon photo showing a gassing program. Nothing!
@prancingdog I am not debating with you, I just read your comment and wish to point out that one photo of an event cannot neccesarily prove the event took place at any other time, unless the photo is of a unique catastrophic or collossal event that cannot be staged or reproduced, (pre CGI lol). Like impact craters volcanic eruptions quake damage which would prove a previous event. I have seen videos of groups of people lined up outside of the gas chambers and some videos even show the gassing.
cont) I do understand your comment, you did say systematic, so I assume that you at least suspect that there were gas chambers and gassing, but, I do not believe that the evidence supports allegations of an express program of extermination via gassing mass numbers of prisoners. The majority died from starvation and other conditions in the forced labor camps. Many prisoners were shot when they could no longer be productive. Many were poisoned and much worse in inhumane "medical" experiments
@syndrome1965: I would like to point out that just because you see a line of people going into a room, doesn't mean you have seen them going into "gas chambers" to be executed. In fact, the same people who still claim that the eastern camps all had gas chambers to kill the millions claimed, are the same people who initially claimed they had "gas chambers" in ALL of the camps, including the western camps. Later these people had to recant when it became untenable. CONTINUED#1~>
~>CONTINUED#1: These people went into these camps looking for "gas chambers", and when they found rooms for "fumigation" they called them "gas chamber". The Nazis videoed and photographed the other crimes they committed, but for some reason not this one crime?
MORE IMPORTANTLY: The allies never photographed any infrastructure, or after effects of this alleged gassing program. One photo can say more by what it DOESN'T show than what it does.
~>CONTINUED#2: So I am simply saying that I do not believe anyone who claims they witnessed a gassing at any of the camps without some real proof. ESPECIALLY when these people directly gain from keeping this Big Lie going.
I hate having to repeat this most important sentence: I AM NOT SAYING THE NAZIS WEREN'T EVIL, OR DID MANY EVIL THINGS. I AM SAYING THERE WAS NO GASSING PROGRAM TO KILL MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. TRUTH MATTERS.
CONTINUED#2: I just don't believe claims of gassings without some sort of proof. "Witnesses", who have no credibility, mean nothing without corroboration. Tortured "confessions" are not confessions at all. IN FACT...If a nazi 'confesses" to killing millions more people than is even possible (i.e Hoess' 4 million. Admitted exaggeration by Jews today), then that is damning to the whole gassing claim.
I don't just believe what is told to me. I want proof. Until then, I don't believe these liars.
@prancingdog You are too argumentative. You are also claiming two differwent things. You say there was no gassing program, ok, I already agreed with that, but then you say that there is no evidence of any gassings at all, and on that you are 100% completely absolutely WRONG.
@prancingdog Well, I guess you didn't read all of my post. I did say that I have seen video of people IN a gas chamber being gassed and killed. They DO exist. Just because YOU have not seen them, doesnt mean anything but, you did not see them. It is not as if the videos do not exist until you see them.
I did agree with the other part of what you said, it does not seem as if there were an actual program established to kill prisoners by gassing, but gassing DID TAKE PLACE.
@syndrome1965: YOU say there is video of people being gassed. YOU say YOU saw it. YOU say gassings took place. But unfortunately YOU can't provide these photos, or video that YOU saw. A psychiatrist would have a field day with your mind.
YOU make grand statements without providing any sources. I think you would be a good Jew. So this begs the question: ARE YOU JEWISH?
@ReticentBadger: Hey when you read this go check out "clintonearlwalker" channel. Tell me if he still has the teenage girls favorited, or if he removes it. Maybe he'll report me for being mean to him, and you for outing his lack of historical knowledge. LOL
@ReticentBadger: At this time it is like 20:00 where you are, and this 49 year old guy is online watching young girls in overt, and disgusting displays of sexuality. He's from your eastern time zone also, so think about it..he's online, on a friday evening, watching such filth. HAHAHA
@ReticentBadger: Bro, this guy "Clintonearlwalker" is 49 and likes to watch disgusting videos of teenage girls singing and dancing to rap noise. HAHA I don't think we need to expect anything of substance from such a person. Let him post whatever B.S he wants. He's a typical Youtube loser.
@prancingdog Really? And somehow, you are not? I am not defending anyone, but the worst thing you can say about him is he likes to watch young women sing dance and rap? Are you retarded? Are you jealous? Are you not allowed to watch sexy females shake their stuff and rock the crowd with a microphone? Why do you feel the need to attack CEW personally? Because, dear sir, YOU are the obvious youtube LOSER!
@syndrome1965: Uh-oh! I touched a nerve. Obviously I came a little too close to your pedophilia nerve. Another Youtube loser who watches little girls "shake their stuff". But enough of that...let's get on to embarrassing YOU on the gassing topic....Continued~>
Know whats funny? A libtard like prancingbitch spamming someone elses video page, talking personal shit about people, because he cannot convince them that he is right. Even funnier, that he probably doesn't even know he is a libtard, and cant see that he attacks people personally, because he is a shitty debator. Prancing Bitch all the shit you talk will never make you right, it will only make people disengage, that doesn't mean youre right either, just means ur talkin 2 urself after a while L8r
@syndrome1965 HAHAHA! So you can't provide this amazing photo/video you say you saw. Figures you would resort to the same crap other losers have tried. Chastising me for what you are doing is what makes you funny. I especially liked your run-on sentences of blathering buffoonery. LOL
You say people will "disengage", and that "ur talking to urself after a while". But you keep responding, and thus calling yourself a hypocrite. Keep up the good work. The epitome of "hubris".
@ReticentBadger: Nice one bro. Only Zionists could say so many people were killed by the nazis without any real evidence to back it up. Hoess suposedly did all this without a single allied recon plane ever taking a picture of these millions of victims. Or the Nazis for that matter. Even the Nazis photographed the other crimes they ACTUALLY committed.
"I have a clearer recollection of the gassing of 900 Russians which took place shortly afterward in the old crematorium, since the use of cell block 11 for this purpose caused too much trouble. While the transport was detraining, holes were pierced in the earth and concrete ceiling of the mortuary."--Rudolph Hoess Kommandant Auschwitz
@clintonearlwalker The same Hoess that had his family threatened by the British Jew Sgt Clark, then beaten and starved while being told to sign a confession statement written in English? A language the man didn't understand. Oh...I almost forgot the fact that Rudolph Hoess had his testicle crushed in a vice prior to signing that confession. Also..R.Hoess "confessed" to overseeing the murder of 4 million people. A number now admitted to be grossly incorrect. Tortured statements count for nothing.
@clintonearlwalker: HAHAHA Don't get upset because you didn't research the hoess pitfall in your precious holocaust mythology. If hoess admitted to killing anne frank's father, otto, you'd quote that as well. Go do some research before you try to defend the big lie with already debunked "proof". FAIL!
@prancingdog Why don't you eat the peanuts out of my shit you vomit, Hoess was hung like the stinking war criminal he was. Why don't you research that?
@clintonearlwalker: HAHAHA Congrats! You tried to post a B.S confession, and got called on it, and now your posting pointless facts to save face. OF COURSE he was hung as a war criminal! SO WHAT! No one was saying he wasn't you moron! It would be just as pointless to state "The sun rises in the east. Why don't you research that?". Go back to watching teenage girls singing to disgusting rap noise, you pedophile. HAHA What a loser!
I am going to reiterate a few things JUST IN CASE another troll jumps in here making assumptions:
1) I think the Nazis are repulsive, as are ALL socialistic tyrannies.
2) I have never seen,read, or otherwise been provided any hard evidence/proof of this so called "gassing" claim. All "they" provide is regurgitated testimony from those with a vested interest in keeping the story going.
3) Education is NOT the same as indoctrination. Only lies need protection.
4) I've been there, unlike many.
prancingdog 2 days ago
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diptdipt 2 weeks ago
No responses yet so here's ANOTHER ONE:
Why did the Nazis build a swimming pool for the inmates? Or a sports field ( the nazis even allowed guards to play in the soccer league games against various inmate teams)? or why did the Nazis allow pregnant Jews to give birth? or have a canteena where the Jews could spend their camp money (THAT'S RIGHT! THE NAZIS GAVE THEM "CAMP MONEY")?
I could also ask why the nazis would heal Jews in the camp hospital (Otto Frank) if they were destined to be gassed?
prancingdog 2 weeks ago
YET ANOTHER SIMPLE QUESTION:
Why didn't the Soviets photograph the liberation of the eastern camps?
All of the photographs taken just after camp liberation, that are available today, are from the western camps. All of the diseased and emaciated people, alive and dead, are of the western camps. The Soviets were keen on using any propaganda they could get their hands on, even if it meant making their own, as in the ridiculous Instytut Ekspertyz Sadowych 1945 report.
"Truth needs no protection"
prancingdog 3 weeks ago
For everybody that does not believe that the Nazis killed millions of Jews and others in their death camps. Where the hell did all those people go then? You cant hide 6million people somewhere... So were they never born in the first place? Or did they vanish into thin air?
reaper555ym 3 weeks ago
@reaper555ym: No one here has ever claimed that the Nazis DIDN'T kill millions of Jews, directly or indirectly. You people keep claiming the Nazis had a vast program to gas 6 million Jews, and YOU CAN NOT PROVE IT.
If you want to argue the point, then try and stay on topic.
"Only a Zionist could claim, with a straight face, that 6 million minus 1, 2 and even 3.5 million still equals the original sum of 6 million. Only a true believer could force himself to believe such absurdity"
prancingdog 3 weeks ago
I await anything that proves the nazis had a gassing program. Please don't repeat the same accusations unless there's something to corroborate them.
prancingdog 4 weeks ago
Typo correction: "...photo, *VIDEO, order..."
prancingdog 1 month ago
FACT: There is not a single photo, ideo, order, document, or even a diary entry, that documents a gassing murder by the Nazis. Nor anything that even suggests a gassing program is in place.
The WHOLE myth comes from the mouths of those with a vested interest in keeping the lie going. It should be easy to prove such a massive conspiracy; But they can't.
prancingdog 1 month ago
My son, and I have taken great pleasure in debunking the typical excuses people keep regurgitating here for the complete absence of real, or "hard" evidence/proof of gassings.
My son mentioned a great obvseration he once read elsewhere, but it begs repeating here:
The Nazis never knew of the British "ULTRA" decyphering program that was reading all of the super secret codes late 1942 onwards. The Nazis used these codes to describe the inmate rosters of the camps. Not a word on gassings. NONE!
prancingdog 1 month ago
SIMPLE QUESTION:
Why did the Allies torture, or threaten torture, in order to get even superfluously absurd "confessions"?
prancingdog 1 month ago
Today we look down some latinamerican n african countries, but If we look forwards and see how the "cult" europe has grown, Im very surprised how you could be under those basic ideas about a superior race, or if being white can mean you are best than others.. Who can say is better than other only because his sking is clearer? Fortunely today at last we have learned the lesson.
From Chile, far place where the german and the jewdish finally have met in peace.
SledgeonFront 1 month ago
@SledgeonFront: We are NOT discussing the superiority of any race so please try to stay on topic. One does not need to go to Chile to see Jews living peacefully with their neighbors. I would like to point out that Iran has a healthy population of Jews living there. It's just not PC in western media to mention such things. And Americans are void of many interesting facts that don't help the 'powers-that-be' push their propaganda.
The lesson of "militarism" has NOT been learned.
prancingdog 1 month ago
@prancingdog Hey you, You can NOT say to me what to say or not, stay with your ideas fuckinàway. Good luck with your discussing ère
Shit!! I didnt mean you need to come to Chile to see one jew talking to a german, I imagine you can see it in other places too, dont be so fool!!
It seems you have a tendence to rage.BYE BYE
SledgeonFront 1 month ago
@SledgeonFront: HAHAHAHA! Buh Bye
prancingdog 1 month ago
ANOTHER SIMPLE QUESTION:
Why did the Nazis document every other atrocity in great detail EXCEPT the alleged gassing program?
Before someone tries again to claim the Nazis wanted to hide just this atrocity from it's own people, let me remind you that the Nazis had total control of the society and needed not to HIDE anything of the sort. The Nazis made it clearly known that the Jews were the source of their strife, and the reason for the wars. It really is, just another pathetic excuse.
prancingdog 1 month ago
@prancingdog interesting the nazis didnt just kill all those people who would be killed anyway and knowing they would be telling the advancing allies about the so called gas chambers and all. seems to me the nazis wouldnt leave any witnesses behind if thats what was really going on there. just a thought bro. lol
ThomasG10mtn 1 month ago
Jews need the gassing story to be accepted as truth because they feed off of it as perpetual victims above all victims. It's not enough for them to be just another group victimized by a larger majority somewhere at some time. They constantly remind the west that their victimhood is "special". They must refer to their persecution as above and beyond that of any other groups, and thus they are beyond reproach for anything they do "to defend from that ever happening again". It's a blank check.
prancingdog 1 month ago
SO BACK TO THE SIMPLE QUESTION:
Why would the Nazis waste so much of their vital resources to gas 6 million Jews, when the simple bullet (preferred method by every dictator since it's invention) is far more efficient, cheaper, and safer (for the killer at least) to use?
We keep getting these people coming in here to regurgitate the same old cliche excuses, but they fail before they even begin. A bullet, and a hole; It's cheap, effective, and doesn't require massive infrastructure.
prancingdog 1 month ago
@prancingdog ...the history books of the world say it happened. You and a few others say it didnt....id say the burdens on you brother.
joshuab1980 1 month ago
@joshuab1980: 1) At one point history books taught that the world was the center of the universe. Surely you aren't using that logical fallacy to avoid proving your peoples' allegations? If you can't defend the accusation yourself, then that's fine. But please just say so, instead of using that cop-out.
2) I understand that you people like to refer only to YOUR history books as real history books, but you should know that history is always being scrutinized.Your ship has holes.
prancingdog 1 month ago
@prancingdog My people.....that is funny because it is the extreme majority, my people. History is history. if my grandfather says he saw this stuff happen, it happened. Why would he lie to me as a child?
I bet you probably believe the South won the Civil War or the White Sox didn't throw the 1919 Series because it written in "our" history books to the contrary. You people will never erase what happened from the world's history and you are wasting your breath trying to do it.
joshuab1980 1 month ago
@joshuab1980: Again you fall for the logical fallacy known as " majority makes truth". I reiterate that many things taught to the masses in "history" books was outright fanciful. Of course you can point to acceptable truths here and there, but you can not prove that there was a Nazi program to gas millions of people out of existence.
Furthermore, MY father fought along with my uncle in that war and never saw anything in the camps to support the LATER CLAIMS of gassings.
prancingdog 1 month ago
@joshuab1980: Finally, my people have been increasing in numbers at an ever increasing rate due to the diligence of our predecessors. I was once a 'true-believer', as I like to call you people, and was enlightened to some very interesting facts about the Great Myth you call the gassing story.
I'd hate to point this out to you, but I am NOT an American, and your view that the majority sides with you is only true in western "democracies". The west is collapsing. So pitiful.
prancingdog 1 month ago
prancing - bullets, too expensive. Germany was VERY poor due to their war efforts. Also, why does their have to be paper documentation regarding the "final solution"? Cannot the Nazi brass just "talk' about and make decisions with their language skills?
joshuab1980 1 month ago
@joshuab1980: 1) 6 million bullets could be produced in several days, at a cost to the war effort far below that of poison gas. Your assumption doesn't explain why the Nazis would waste so much resources trying to keep inmates ALIVE by delousing them, and their clothes with ZyklonB. Germany was NOT "poor".
2) No, the Nazis were prolific bureaucrats and documented EVERYTHING that was part of the administration, and war effort. Anything that took so much resources REQUIRES a plan.
prancingdog 1 month ago
@prancingdog No, The Nazis ran what is called a war economy. They borrowed money from the people, they printed money, they stole it from Jewish people and political opponents. That was then used to build up the army and start the war. The people were poorer than their neighbouring countries France, UK, Netherlands etc. Food and clothing as well as fuel was rationed.
joshuab1980 1 month ago
@prancingdog They then looted Poland and all the other countries they occupied during the war and used that for the war effort. but that could only last so long. Remember, the years before the war across Europe was the Great Depression: high unemployment, drastic wage cuts for those still with jobs, falling commodity prices for farmers, constantly reduced unemployment compensation in those few countries that had it.
joshuab1980 1 month ago
@prancingdog It all goes back to poison making the most sense. the Germans weren't going to chase the Jews through the streets of Germany and other occupied areas shooting at Jews, that would be a logistical nightmare, and it would also make the secret they hid from the rest of the world including their own citizens much less discreet. Besides are we forgetting WORLD WAR 2 was going on to which Germany was the ANTAGONIST! They needed the bullets for the war, and with Allied
joshuab1980 1 month ago
@prancingdog forces bombing German infrastructure including munitions plants, where bullets are made, it just made more sense and was a quieter way to poison than arouse suspicion.
joshuab1980 1 month ago
@joshuab1980: Every nation during ww2 was on a "war economy", and was borrowing against their future. That doesn't mean there was any shortage of bullet production, or availability, during the alleged gassings. You are making up an excuse that simply doesn't pass even logical critique; let alone logistical research. The FACT is that bullets have been used by EVERY dictator since it's invention to commit genocide. I would love for you to explain why the nazis shot everyone else then?
prancingdog 1 month ago
@prancingdog They gassed everyone and shot many people too. I didnt say they didnt shoot anyone, they just wanted to be discreet about the death camps, and not necessarily for the people they were at war with, but mostly their own citizens. It wasn't just Jews, but there were certainly more Jews that were gassed than the average POW.
joshuab1980 1 month ago
@joshuab1980: "Discreet about the death camps"?! You are too far gone if YOU think the camps were "discreet".
1) I never said that YOU said they "didn't shoot anyone". I said they shot people because it was quick, and efficient. The camps were work/detention camps, and any allegation that gassing people is more efficient is illogical, and unproven.
2) YOU people are the ones making an accusation of a gassing program. Therefore...YOU people have the burden of proof. continued~>
prancingdog 1 month ago
~>cont:
3) YOU can get upset if I call YOUR unproven accusation illogical if YOU want to, but it most certainly isn't "ad hominem". Indirectly calling me a conspiracy nut bhy lumping me into other conspiracies is more of an "ad hominem" attack than anything. So please stay on topic.
4) "Where did 1.5 mil. Jews disappear to?" Who said they didn't? Again, don't ASSume. It only makes you insult yourself amongst fair minded readers. And then you get upset that I point it out.
Cont#2~>
prancingdog 1 month ago
~>CONT#2:
5) We are talking about the alleged gassing of 6 million, err...I mean, 4 million err... WHATEVER NUMBER YOU PEOPLE ARE NOW CLAIMING. It's so telling when someone who makes a criminal allegation keeps retelling the same story with very important CHANGES everytime it is pointed out that the original story is questioned.
YOU can keep reciting the same people as your "eyewitness", but credibility needs corroboration. THAT, you don't have. It's too easy to debunk.
prancingdog 1 month ago
@joshuab1980: Furthermore, I would also like you to explain why the nazis would hide just one of the "war crimes" they were allegedly committing when they didn't fear the other ones being known? You're ASSuming the nazis feared the countries they were ALREADY AT WAR WITH from finding out. It simply doesn't pass the smell test. It's just another example of excuse upon excuse to cover for the failing myth of a gassing program. A program that has no hard evidence. Just accusations.
prancingdog 1 month ago
@prancingdog So now you use ad hominem to try to shove your made up facts down at me? Fact is, many many survivors speak of the atrocities that occured in Southwest Poland, and even many former SS themselves. Where did a million and a half Jews just "disappear" to? You denial people sound like the same people that say the US blew the towers up themselves on 911, when in fact, you have NO FACTS claiming your ridiculous claims that it (the gassing) NEVER happened!
joshuab1980 1 month ago
@joshuab1980: Furthermore, I ask that you use the "reply" button so I can get a notification in my inbox, and can respond as promptly as possible. Unless you want to just drop a comment and hope I don't return to this video thread to respond. I get that a lot, and don't mean to be insulting. I simply ask for the opportunity to respond when confronted with questions/debate. Thanks.
prancingdog 1 month ago
@joshuab1980 u forget that documenting means more than just paper documents. it includes pics and vids and electronic communications also. just thought u should know. i used to argue with prancingdog over this topic but he got me to look into a lot of the stuff i was repeating from school and tv. i now agree with him and call myself a fellow skeptic of this great mythology.
ReticentBadger 1 month ago
@prancingdog Keep up the good work brother. I like how Zyworski gave up and left. I guess he doesn't want to associate with us evil folk. ha-ha. I admit I didn't want to give you the time of day either, but oh well. Now I can't stop reading cuz of your business and newsletters. argh! Thnx for the discounted Christmas codes. Take care, and send me more of those stewardess pics. ha-ha
ThomasG10mtn 1 month ago
SO BACK TO MY SIMPLE QUESTION AWAITING A LOGICAL ANSWER:
Why didn't the Nazis just shoot the 6 million Jews?
AND ANOTHER SIMPLE QUESTION:
How does anyone explain the lack of documentation of anything to do with a gassing program and/or it's alleged victims? (I've heard the "oh well...the nazis destroyed the evidence before the war ended" excuse, but it doesn't jive with known spying programs).
prancingdog 1 month ago
Whenever I watch these concentration camp videos I can't help but notice all the holocaust deniers coming out of the woodwork. Operating on the assumption that the holocaust is real and millions were gassed, the next logical step is to ask why? What is it that caused so great a falling out between two peoples? I know about the Balfour Declaration and all that, but can't help but feel there were additional grievances that the history books have glossed over.
Zyworski 1 month ago
@Zyworski: I was educated in private, and public schools. I hold degrees in higher education. I watch the tele. I read insatiably. I even continue to go to the theatre to watch movies I know will have much of the same old assertions and opinions regarding history, because they are entertaining. My skepticism is constantly reviewed internally as I read, watch, travel, and experience life (I am up their in age).
I have learned to question. I disbelieve in this case. That's "why".
prancingdog 1 month ago
SIMPLE QUESTION:
Why would the Nazis not just use the simple, and very effective bullet to murder the Jews?
NOTE: Please keep in mind that I have already destroyed the claim that gassing large groups is somehow more efficient than a bullet, but feel free to try to pass that logically inept excuse if you wish.
prancingdog 1 month ago
@prancingdog two reasons ( not wanting to start another debate ) firstly it is wasteful of ammunition, secondly it is said to have a negative impact on the shooter, hence why the einsatzgruppen were abolished, as shooting Jews and eastern Europeans was having a negative impact on the SS, and lowering morale amongst them.
ridleybowen1 1 month ago
@ridleybowen1: 1) Bullets are FAR FAR cheaper to produce, use, and HIDE during wartime. The making of ZyklonB is dangerous in itself, but now we must consider transport, and use of said gas to allegedly kill so many people. The infrastructure must also be VASTLY more elaborate to use. So I, and EVERY other dictator, disagree with you.
2) I've heard this "impact on the shooter argument", and it laughable at best. The Nazis shot all sorts of people just fine. Why not the Jews?
CONT>
prancingdog 1 month ago
@prancingdog: ~>CONT...
3)The SS were known for being exceptionally brutal to ALL of Germany's enemies, and ESPECIALLY the Jews. Just because you can regurgitate the typically pathetic excuse that other Zionists have tried to pass off already, doesn't mean it passes the smell test.
A bullet is usable in any location, gas requires infrastructure. Gas lingers, bullets don't. Bullets are made by the billions during war, and are incredibly cheap, and effective. Try some new excuse.
prancingdog 1 month ago
I attempted to forward an excerpt from an email I received from a friend that is an active army offcier in your US army. Youtube removed my post several times and emailed me a policy section which "restricts sensitive military maneuvers information and/or directives". All I wanted to do was mention that this officer was transferred to an administrative job, and denied another promotion, due to his refusal to go to Iraq for religious reasons. How is that "sensitive information"?
Interesting.
prancingdog 1 month ago
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rogile 1 month ago
It seems the Zionists here in America are colluding with the Zionists of Israel to prep us for their next war of aggression. Iran is effectively surrounded, and stands as the only real power against the influences of Zionism in the Middle East, so naturally they are the next target on the list. Once again, my friends and family will be sent to fight for Israel, and the rest of America will foot the bill with inflation and economic stagnation.
Congrats America! Keep drinking the fluoride.
ThomasG10mtn 1 month ago
@ThomasG10mtn: Doesn't your Army have a process to apply for "Conscientious Objector" status? I'm fairly sure they do. But if they don't then what would the penalty be for refusing deployment on morality grounds?
Be strong brother.
prancingdog 1 month ago
@prancingdog Not sure bro. I am not the only one in my unit that has said we won't go if Iran is next. I'm sure they will threaten us under ucmj notice of intent regs, but oh well. I'd rather deal with that then fight another 'preemptie war'. Wars of aggression were once called 'preemptive wars' by people like stalin, hitler, and tojo. just to name a few.
ThomasG10mtn 1 month ago
Auscwitz was a concentration camp like all the others. People were sent there for many reasons, and many served their time and were released. Jews were considered untrustworthy of release and had to do deal with a lot more cruelty than many other groups. But I don't believe the claim the nazi gased people there anymore.
A horrible place yea. A place of mass murder by gasing, no.
ThomasG10mtn 2 months ago
@ThomasG10mtn that's because your ignorant and uneducated.
ridleybowen1 1 month ago
@ridleybowen1 wow you should really look up the word 'ignorant' before you jump into a forum with no knowledge or facts about the person you are insulting.
Ignorant-lacking knowledge or information pertaining to a particular fact or subject.
How ignorant of you to assume you know anything about my education and background. You are just another youtube ass. That is just my opinion though. lol
ThomasG10mtn 1 month ago
My grandfather died in Auschwitz.
He fell from the watch tower.
Runol1st 2 months ago
@Runol1st lol
Kominex 2 months ago
The Nazis never had a systematic program to gas millions of people. Any, and all, attempts to continue this charade makes the suffering endured by so many of that era, a farce.
You Zionists, and true believers are hypocrites. You insult the memory of those you exalt time and again. You only help the cause of NeoNazis by your insistence on this fairy tale gassing story. You make future suffering almost inevitable.
prancingdog 2 months ago
Continued about Pressac:
Pressac STRENGTHENS the revisionist position by making numerous concessions throughout his alleged rebuttal to revisionists.
"There is no conclusive or documentary evidence for the widely claimed homicidal gassings in the Auschwitz main camp crematory building. The entire building was drastically "restructured" and "reconstituted" after the war, and the crematory chimney there is phony." pp. 123, 131-133,144-146, 551.
Pressac conceded the obvious. There is no proof.
prancingdog 2 months ago
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ridleybowen1 1 month ago
@ridleybowen1: It's interesting that your post is removed so quickly. Since I still have the original in my reply box, I will quote your cliche attack against me.
"no proof besides a still standing gas chamber, with blue walls, caused from the chemical reaction with ZYKLON B"~ Just because you people keep calling a fumigation room a gas chamber doesn't mean it is one. And ZyklonB was the standard use fumigant for pest control. YOU can't prove your claims, so you resort to insults.
prancingdog 1 month ago
@ridleybowen1 CONT.~>
YOU call me "ignorant" and "uneducated". YOU are using the same old, and boring, insults that others far more talented than you have already slung my way. I really don't care if you want to believe this fairy tale that no one can prove. I really don't care if you want to insult me because I don't believe you people anymore. BUT AT LEAST TRY TO BE ORIGINAL IN YOUR THOUGHTS AND CHARGES. Trolling in here just makes you look childish. Try something new.
prancingdog 1 month ago
@prancingdog coming from the one who goes on videos about the holocaust, spreading your very controversial opinion all over youtube, when some people watching this may well have family members who were victims of the terrible things the Nazi's brought upon the Jew's, whether you don't believe in the gas chambers, it is hugely disrespectful to continuously argue with people on a, video someone has made in remembrance of the Jews. Keep you views to yourself, whether they are right or wrong.
ridleybowen1 1 month ago
@ridleybowen1: I first would like to thank you for typing a cogent, and respectful reply. It is refreshing to read a well thought out response to anything I have typed previously. However, I don't take issue with the premise of the video being a remembrance to victims. I take issue with people regurgitating the idea that millions of people were gassed there. I only seek the truth, and truth is the only respectful way to remember the victims of that era. Truth needs no protection.
prancingdog 1 month ago 8
@prancingdog well said brother. keep up the good fight. time is on our side. i like that phrase 'truth needs no protection'. nice one.
ReticentBadger 1 month ago
@prancingdog clearly you don't understand where I'm coming from however quoting yourself "YOU can't prove your claims, so you resort to insults." renders you a hypocrite by calling me a "youtube ass", but I respect the fact you put across your opinions, without the need to insult everyone and with plenty of evidence to back your point up. Yet I believe there were gas chambers, whether you do or not, and I am sorry to hear of your grandfathers death.
ridleybowen1 1 month ago
@ridleybowen1: I do know where you are coming from. I've heard the same arguments and concerns for sensitivity from many others. Like I have already mentioned...YOU are the ones claiming there was a program to gas millions of people. YOU have the burden of proof. Expecting ME to prove something doesn't exist is impossible because NO ONE can prove something's non-existence.
Calling YOU an "ass" for being a hypocrite is my opinion, and not requiring proof. You are entitled to yours.
prancingdog 1 month ago
@ridleybowen1: Additionally...Since I have already demonstrated the huge logical pitfalls, and outright fallacies concerning the majority of the evidence you true-believers keep reciting, I simply wait for you to bring something new to the table. Until then, I expect you to just claim your beliefs in this unproven historical fable, and sling insults, just to cry when someone shuts you down with a taste of your own medicine. I think you have potential to open your mind, however.
prancingdog 1 month ago
@prancingdog Don't insult my intelligence, I have a PHD in History from Oxford university.
ridleybowen1 1 month ago
@ridleybowen1: HAHAHA LMFAO! Did you seriously just tout your credentials on a youtube forum? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh yeah tough guy! I have two PHDs from Harvard and Cabridge. HAHAHAHA
I want to thank you for making me laugh so hard. I WAS having a really good day, but you just made it that much better. Thanks for the hardy laugh. LOL
prancingdog 1 month ago
@prancingdog glad I can be of service, it was bullshit anyway ;)
ridleybowen1 1 month ago
@ridleybowen1: Of course it was. Let me know when you're ready to hear from both sides of an argument before forming your opinion. I'd be glad to point out many of the flaws with the whole systemic gassing claim of WW2. Below is one of my favorite quotes:
"The fact that all of the evidence of gassing comes from those with a vested interest in it, makes me want corroborating evidence before I accept such an extraordinary tale. The first question I ever had was; Why not a bullet?"
prancingdog 1 month ago
@ridleybowen1 Furthermore, my grandfather died during that war as the result of it. So when you speak of victims, and their relatives. You are speaking of me. So if anything, I have a right to voice my views/skepticism regarding that war. If you feel that only the victims of Auschwitz can voice their views about Auschwitz, then I completely disagree. If someone is doing a wrong, "disrespecting" the wrong doer should be the last thing one should worry about. TRUTH MATTERS.
prancingdog 1 month ago 10
@ridleybowen1 youtube is a public place where all kinds of 'controversial opinions' are said. werent u the one who came in here spewing insults as the basis of ur entire post? at least u finally decided to put up a normal post speaking ur mind. but this isnt a church or private home. youtube is a public forum, and i happen to agree with prancindog. censure is evil.
ReticentBadger 1 month ago
In fact the extermination of the Jews was such an open secret that in 1943-44, train passengers going through Auschwitz station in daytime crowded to the windows to better see where the Jews were being liquidated, and at night they saw Birkenau brilliantly lit by the thousand lamps of its perimeter fence. What they did not know, and this was the only “secret”, was the method used by the SS. --Jean Claude Pressac "AUSCHWITZ:
Technique and operation
of the gas chambers"--page 249
clintonearlwalker 2 months ago
@clintonearlwalker HAHAHA You cite someone who describes how the Nazis COULDN'T keep such a vast program secret, and goes on to use conjecture when he states that the witnesses didn't actually see gassings taking place, but knew it was happening? HAHAHAHAHA
Pressac himself never mentions any damning proof of a gassing program. He calls them "criminal traces".
So pathetic!
prancingdog 2 months ago
@prancingdog Don't waste my time asshole.
clintonearlwalker 2 months ago
@clintonearlwalker: HAHAHA Typical. Just leave if you can't support your views. I thank you for helping me show how weak your position really is. Go try your schoolyard debating tactics somewhere else little boy.
Typical schoolyard debater tactic:
A) "The sun rose in the west and set in the east during the war."
B) "What are you talking about?! I would love to see whatever proof you have to support such a ridiculous claim."
A) "Oh yeah, well...you're ugly!" {storms off grumbling}
LOL!
prancingdog 2 months ago
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@prancingdog Please refer to my previous comment.
clintonearlwalker 2 months ago
TO NEWCOMERS READING THIS THREAD:
"Gilnod" tried to come on here under his new name "JohnBlunt59" and argue with me under both names in a failed attempt at creating the illusion of mass acceptance of his beliefs/argument. He accidently blew it when he used the wrong name to refer back to something he said under his other name, and is still trying to save face by returning to proclaim righteousness.
This is how they operate. Threats, scorn, and trickery is their only ally. They can only stall.
prancingdog 2 months ago
AND YET ANOTHER QUESTION:
Why didn't the British ever decode ANY correspondence mentioning anything about a murderous gassing program?
I am referring to the ULTRA decoding of the most secret of German codes. This makes it impossible for the Nazis to destroy the documents that Jews keep claiming. It also means the Nazis cared more about hiding a crime, than winning a war, since they used these codes for military maneuvers as well. It really punches a HUGE hole in the whole gassing claim!
prancingdog 2 months ago
@prancingdog You know what pdog, i keep coming back to this thread, you know why?. Because there is an answer to every one of your claims. As much as i"d like to, i aint gonna get into this debate with you. As far as you & RB are concerned, me & jb59 are the same person so i have no credibility. You carry on with your claims, you are obviously convinced they"re true, allthough the fact you have to keep repeating them to non-existing responses makes me more convinced they"re not.
gilnod 2 months ago
@gilnod: HAHAHA! You got caught, boy. Stop embarrassing yourself. I have succeeded numerous times already by just asking simple questions that believers like you can't answer. You people jump in and repeat the same old claims that so many have regurgitated before you, and then run and hide behind the "answers exist, but I won't debate with people like you" excuse. You are such a coward. I only hope you open your eyes and see the massive holes in your precious gassing ship. It's sinking.
prancingdog 2 months ago
ANOTHER SIMPLE QUESTION:
Why wouldn't the Nazis just shoot the Jews like all the other people they REALLY DID murder?
prancingdog 3 months ago
@ReticentBadger He could be Newton. You are right to be suspicious. But it matters not.
prancingdog 3 months ago
@prancingdog yea its beyond lame.
ReticentBadger 3 months ago
@ReticentBadger HAHAHA GilnodJohnBlunt59 is trying to save whatever image he thinks he still has left. HAHAHA Thanks for letting me know.
prancingdog 3 months ago
@gilnod HAHAHA You got caught as just another fraud trying to hock your beliefs. I thought you "don't intend to get into an argument..."with me over this. You just wanted to be another Youtube Troll that drops in, makes a claim, and leaves on your high horse thinking you won somehow.
Just go away. And stop BOLD typing specific words like I do. Copying me is not flattering at all. It's pathetic. You succeeded at failure.
prancingdog 3 months ago
@gilnod Also...If you are going to portray yourself as another person, don't make blatantly obviously mistakes like using "59" in your generic name to denote someone of age, when you are using age-group diction. You only make it easy to see the fraud that you are.
Try again. Maybe you will open your mind to the obvious.
prancingdog 3 months ago
@prancingdog sorry bro. i cant stay on. my flight is boarding soon. ill be on tomorrow. im tired. peace
ReticentBadger 3 months ago
omg! so lame!
ReticentBadger 3 months ago
FRAUD ALERT: Today is October 28, 2011. "JohnBlunt59" has made his very first comment ever on Youtube because his account says he joined Oct 24,2011, and his activity has him as ONLY visiting this video.
Isn't it funny for "gilnod" to make such a blatantly asinine, self congratulatory statement to himself.
"Especially the SS guard at Treblinka I recommended"-JohnBlunt59 never "recommended" that. Gilnod did. YOU JUST GOT CAUGHT, YOU FRAUD!
Why don't YOU stop copying my BOLD wording also! HAHA
prancingdog 3 months ago
@prancingdog holy cow dude! u werent kidding! lmfao! so lame. i think hes newton come to stalk u again. lmao!
ReticentBadger 3 months ago
Finally I don't intend to get into an argument with somebody whose obviously decided his version is right despite ALL the evidence to the contrary, for whatever personal motive. Tell you what - search through the tube and listen to ALL the witness statements, especially the SS guard at Treblinka I recommended that was secretly taped.
If you really think he lied then you're definitely beyond help..........perhaps some medication?
JohnBlunt59 3 months ago
@JohnBlunt59 Your last 4 posts are spot on JB. I"ve tried to say the same thing in previous posts but not as eleguently as you. Sadly, i"m afraid as far as pdog is concerned, you will probably find you are p.....g in the wind.
gilnod 3 months ago
@gilnod You are right about JB pissing in the wind. Making baseless accusations is futile, and only makes you all wet. LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
prancingdog 3 months ago
@prancingdog You know what pdog.... i"ve finally sussed you out. You cant read the replies you get, can you?. You hav"nt got the intelligence to understand, & analyse, the responses your opinions generate, have you?. Why dont you respond to the specific points that JB, & myself, have put to you, instead of ignoring them, & spewing the same crap you give to everybody else that does"nt agree with you?.
gilnod 3 months ago
@JohnBlunt59 Do you even realize how stupid it is for you to finish your tirade with a statement like "Finally I don't intend to get into an argument with someone whose obviously decided his version is right despite ALL the evidence"? HAHAHA
You believers keep regurgitating the same old claims, and resort to the same old "witnesses" or tortured "confessions" as the crust of your accusation. You simply can not explain why there is no hard core evidence, or proof. So you spew conjecture & scorn.
prancingdog 3 months ago
Thousands of serial killers have been jailed (or executed) in courts around the world without film evidence! Do you actually believe that something hasn't happened unless it was filmed happening - which is basically your ridiculous argument!! The evidence for the holocaust is all over the internet, the evidence against the holocaust is non-existant beyond "ALL the witnesses lied" - pathetic. Why don't you people get help from a doctor or something similar. 100's of witnesses for, none against.
JohnBlunt59 3 months ago
@JohnBlunt59 Wasting our time JB. Pdog cant answer the specific points put to him, so he finds another conspiracy.
PRANCINGDOG........ You are, without doubt, a grade one idiot.
gilnod 3 months ago
@gilnod Still talking to yourself. Do you even realize you messed up when you used the phrase: "Especially the SS guard at Treblinka I recommended" on your JB user name? You are so retarded you mixed up which name you were using, AND NOW YOU ARE CALLING ME AN "IDIOT"?!!!!
HAHAHA! My face hurts from laughing at you. Thanks for making my day that much better. HAHAHA!!!
Maybe you, and your alter ego can comfort each other. Pathetic doesn't quite explain your failures. HAHAHA!
prancingdog 3 months ago
You holocaust deniars are little more than a disgrace to humanity and an insult to the dead. What is your motive exactly? Are you a neo-nazi? Because your argument that "everyone lies" is childish in the extreme and lacking in any depth whatsoever. It speaks volumes about your motive which appears to be some sort of a kinship with the SS and the nazi's or perhaps a revulsion for the jews? You expect people to believe that "everyone lies"? The jewish and german witnesses ARE the evidence!
JohnBlunt59 3 months ago
You're living in a fantasy world invented by yourself. It was the biggest crime ever - they tried to exterminate a race, they then tried to systematically destroy the evidence, of course they didn't film it THAT would be illogical. Even the German people of that time wouldn't have been able to comprehend that, let alone the allies.
You're seriously trying to say that this is an enormous conspiracy involving prisoner sonderkommandos AND the SS themselves? Everyone lies but you're right? Mad.
JohnBlunt59 3 months ago
Again we hear, or read for that matter, the same old "witnesses" and "confessions" claims when these believers are confronted with the serious lack of hard core evidence to back up such claims.
If I wanted to kill a hundred thousand people in an area, I wouldn't waste vast amounts of valuable resources moving them far away just to kill them upon arrival with a dangerous (to me), and inefficient method like gassing. I would shoot them wherever found and claim they raised arms against me.
prancingdog 3 months ago
Of course the nazis didn't film the mass extermination of the jews by gas in death camps! It was the crime of the century - millenium in fact. Commonsense should tell anybody balanced that this would have been disasterous if it was to be seen by the german people. Its hardly rocket science is it?
But there are hundreds of eye witness accounts to the fact - including by the SS killers, why would they admit to it? Even in private interviews? Look here at the Treblinka SS guard interview.
JohnBlunt59 3 months ago
@JohnBlunt59 It is a completely illogical excuse for the Nazis making ONLY ONE exception to their criminality and barbarism. The Nazis took meticulous records of their murders using different methods. Shootings, hangings, and even beheading were recorded on paper and photo/video. They feared no one.
Your "common sense should tell anyone balanced" is funny since it is completely conjectural, and opinionated. Regurgitating "witness" lies, and questionable "admissions" is laughably pathetic.
prancingdog 3 months ago
The Nazis committed many crimes. But there is no hard evidence of a gassing program.
The Zionists, and Soviets needed to make the Nazis into a new class of barbarism. Zionists wanted Israel. The Soviets needed to excuse the crimes they committed as being "necessary".
prancingdog 3 months ago
@prancingdog PRECISELY ! I couldn't have said it better myself.
TravellerFellow 3 months ago
where are the film clips of Jews being forced into the showers? where are photos? where are the photos or films of thousands of bodies being loaded into industrial ovens? where are the photos of thousands of tons of ashes being wheel barreled out into where ? the fields? where is actual physical evidence. I am tired of hear say. Pics or it didn't happen.
TravellerFellow 3 months ago
@TravellerFellow There is plenty of Nazi documentation and plenty of photographs of DEAD innocent people. The nice thing about German's quick downfall was that they had zero time to rid themselves of all the secrets and things that would embarrass them after the war. Thats besides the fact that one can't seem to find an explanation for how millions of jews somehow disappeared out of nowhere. The sooner you stop blinding yourself to the blatantly obvious truth, the better off you'll be.
Hustada 3 months ago
@Hustada what a TYPICAL Holohoax answer! I request just a LITTLE specificity, and I get the S.O.S answer about "plenty of Nazi documentation". I KNOW that if specific phoots, films, and documents EXISTED, the Jew Media Machine would have FLOODED Planet Earth with selfsame. why hasn't this happened? VERY simple, NO such documentation exists. It isn't any more difficult to understand than that.
TravellerFellow 3 months ago
@TravellerFellow: BRAVO! Well reasoned reply to the true believer "Hustada". He fell into the old logic fault that has plagued these zionists for so long. First he claims the obvious: "..Germany's quick downfall was that they had zero time to rid themselves of all the secrets...". And then he tries to pass off the same old accusation that "millions of jews somehow disappeared".
They can't prove the gassing claims, so they point to diseased bodies, and malnutrition as proof. Such hubris!
prancingdog 3 months ago
@TravellerFellow Idiot. There are pictures to the right of this comment box. There is also a plethora of Nazi documentation that is very blatant about their plans for the jews AND the world. Its obvious you have zero intentions of seeking out such truth or you would have found it already. There is even AUDIO on this very site of Himmler discussing such things in a private meeting with higher ups. If you can't admit that much then read Mein Kampf as its also very blatant about what Hitler wanted.
Hustada 2 months ago
What we have here is the belief of victim's extraordinary claims of persecution without ANY real evidence to support it. In fact, the illogical, and easily debunked nature of the "evidence" that is provided actually makes the claim that much more questionable. AFTER ALL, WHAT TRUTH NEEDS THE PROTECTION OF SO MANY LIES?
The Nazis were evil, and committed many crimes. BUT THAT DOESN'T EXCUSE MAKING A PROFITABLE LIE. Their evil just makes accepting the lie easier.
prancingdog 3 months ago
HCN concentrations in the alleged "gas chambers" do not back the claim they were homicidal gas chambers, killing thousands daily. The FUMIGATION/DELOUSING rooms do have ZyklonB (i.e HCN) residue, but it matches the official use of the rooms as FUMIGATION/DELOUSING rooms!
It's like finding a burnt match at a house fire and screaming "ARSON! I HAVE THE PROOF!". And then threatening anyone who says "wait a second, what if the fire lit the match, and not the other way around?" It's conjecture!
prancingdog 3 months ago
@prancingdog the argument is to reject it because it is beyond human comprehension. You said your burnt match anology is conjecture, that only applies if there is no witnesses. We have witnesses here, not only that, we have the testimonies of the perpetrators. Using your anology again, your torture claim is conjecture in relation to those perpetrators. Groning, Munch, Klehr & Kaduk were not tortured, why would they admit to what they did & saw? Why dont you see things that are there instead.CONT
gilnod 3 months ago
@gilnod Furthermore..You rely so heavily on "witnesses" who have on several occasions admitted to not actually seeing the gassings, but were told by others. This is called hearsay. Other "witnesses" flat out made a career out of telling these spurious tales. Elie Wiesel especially.
Lastly. How do you explain ULTRA never finding any evidence? The Brits knew about every death from 1942 on. DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE ALLEGED GASSING!
All you have are claims by people with an interest in lying.
prancingdog 3 months ago
@prancingdog ..of trying to prove what is"nt there, is actually the proof this did"nt happen?.
gilnod 3 months ago
ANOTHER SIMPLE QUESTION:
Why do you believe the same people who flat out lied about which camps had a gassing program, and which didn't?
FACT: Original claim was EVERY concentration camp had a gas chambers. At the end of the war, American Congressman were paraded through camps and shown "gas chambers". NOW! THESE LIARS SAY THAT ONLY THE CAMPS CAPTURED BY THE SOVIETS HAD GAS CHAMBERS. Unavailable for forensic inspection. How convenient!
It stinks to high heaven!
prancingdog 3 months ago
@prancingdog I did"nt say "did"nt have much to lose". Read the post again.
If the only camps that had the chambers were unavailable for forensic inspection, where do you get the HCN readings?
The only people i believe are the people who for no good reason admitted to it happening. Why torture someone into admitting something happened that did"nt? Why invent something like that? The crime was bad enough, why invent something else?. If people cannot comprehend the enormity of what happened..CONT
gilnod 3 months ago
@gilnod Firstly, if you don't even understand what the Jews have gained from keeping this great myth going, then I won't waste my time anymore. At least others have tried to contest the idea the Jews have gained anything from this. But if you seriously don't know, then I suggest you read up on post war history.
Secondly. The Soviets didn't allow the allies to investigate the camps, and said they would provide the evidence they find to the tribunals. The Soviets admitted to lying decades later.
prancingdog 3 months ago
@gilnod: Every Nazi that specifically admitted to taking part in gassing people, NOT OTHER CRIMES, was tortured into making such "confessions". I completely disagree with you that they "didn't have much to lose". Hoess is the best example, especially since his "confession" is the most touted. Hoess' family was threatened with being turned over to the Soviets. Hoess himself was beaten, drugged, and threatened. HIS TESTICLE WAS CRUSHED!
How do you explain away the British ULTRA program?
prancingdog 3 months ago
SIMPLE QUESTION:
How did the Nazis destroy the copies of all of their documents in the hands of the British?
(The Brits decoded EVERY secret document going in and out of the concentration camps, INCLUDING THE DEATH REPORTS daily sent to the Nazi hierarchy. The "ULTRA" decoding program 1942/43.)
prancingdog 3 months ago
@prancingdog Why do they admit to such a thing?...they have nothing to gain & much to lose. The only fault i can see in this debate is the Jewish insistance on exaggeration, but it did happen. Why?, because the people who done it, said it did. At the end of the day pdog, thats all we can go on.
gilnod 3 months ago
remember these?
slander- a malicious, false, and defamatory statement made orally.
libel-defamation by written statement. anything written of malicious, and misleading accusation.
' the burden of proof will remain the responsibility of the accuser. Such as it were necessary to delineate the guilt of the accused, it must be from a credible source, free from reasonable question or logical pitfall.'
'A thousand voices of persecution can not corroborate each other, if they have the same reward.'
ReticentBadger 3 months ago
here we go again. i think you get pleasure out of this stuff, pdog.
ReticentBadger 3 months ago
@gilnod: CONITNUED~>
1) You are making the same "claim" that so many keep making, BUT YOU SIMPLY HAVE NO HARD PROOF OF.
2) what autopsy reports? The ones made by the Soviets? Are you suggesting that one victim corroborates the word of another victim's claims? The Soviets built most of the crap one sees at Auschwitz. They are pathological liars.
3)AGAIN...I would admit to killing millions to stop my torture. I would welcome death at that point. He "confessed" to killing 2.5 million jews there.
prancingdog 3 months ago
@gilnod: CONT#2~>
4) Hoess' "confession" stopped his torture, and is grossly exaggerated, AND YOU STILL THINK IT'S SOUND? UGH!
5) How convenient for your p.o.v that the Nazis destroyed everything that would corroborate the claims of angry (justifiably so) victims, and enemies of the Nazis. You might believe someone who claims something, and then makes another extraordinary claim to hide the severe lack of evidence to corroborate the first. I DON'T.
CONTINUED AGAIN~>
prancingdog 3 months ago
@gilnod: CONT#3~>
6) The Brit soldiers admitted to it in the 1980's proudly. Sgt Clarke was so proud he tortured Hoess he exclaimed it was "the only time he felt solace for the treatment of his fellow Jews at the hands of those evil pigs".(Legions of Death 1983 pg12&13) AND (Simpson van Rhoden Commission of Enquiry, minutes 12.001)
7) The Nazis didn't go inside the open fire pits when they photoed the bodies being burned either. Or stand in front of the firing sqds. Your premise is absurd.
prancingdog 3 months ago
lol nice movie jews deserve all that.. fuck the jews
zenjabyl25 3 months ago
palestinians are nothing else than fucking muslim terrorist.
Right to destroy them
samarpan4 3 months ago
@samarpan4 : Right to destroy ur slut mommy. listen u bastard, Hitler was a prophete, he knew ur devilish mind.
zenjabyl25 3 months ago
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I guese you are so dumb that I have to ask you again.... why do we not know that the jews were living a comfortable live during their holocaust while the palestines have to suffer severly during their holocaust.
after all the palestines are facing fosphor bombing, dayly humilliation, being raped by piggedlookedliked stinking jew terrorists
groeneveldp 3 months ago
@ReticentBadger: Seriously. They are so pathetic, indeed.
prancingdog 3 months ago
@prancingdog yea i know. i luv when these ppl come in here and try to say we are eil, or neonazis, or whtvr, and then they cant defend the gassing claims they spew. they are incapable of making an intelligent argument without resorting to ad hominem attacks. its so typical of sheeple.
ReticentBadger 3 months ago
So now that we have discarded another gassing storyteller. Let's wait until the next idiot tries to bring up the same old lies. I simply love showing people how stupid their baseless belief in this myth is.
I wait for someone to provide just one piece of solid, cold hard, real proof. A recon photo, a German order, a decoded intercept,...SOMETHING NOT FROM JUST THE MOUTHS OF KNOWN LIARS.
prancingdog 4 months ago
Zionists stole a land by telling lies about being murdered by Germany. Plain and simple. There is not one proof of "gas chambers" in Auschwitz, it's a lie and Nuremberg a parody of a trial.
Radumo 4 months ago
*things
prancingdog 4 months ago
Funny when some asshat drops in, like a typical youtube troll, and attacks the thinks I have been posting. Then runs away when I ask them to simply provide the hard proof that the Nazis had a systematic gassing program. They always refer to the "witnesses" that didn't actually see anything. Or the "Confessions" that were tortured out of Germans. Or the "gas chambers" built by the Soviets. The same lies, from the same sources.
Just ask them for ONE recon photo showing a gassing program. Nothing!
prancingdog 4 months ago
@prancingdog I am not debating with you, I just read your comment and wish to point out that one photo of an event cannot neccesarily prove the event took place at any other time, unless the photo is of a unique catastrophic or collossal event that cannot be staged or reproduced, (pre CGI lol). Like impact craters volcanic eruptions quake damage which would prove a previous event. I have seen videos of groups of people lined up outside of the gas chambers and some videos even show the gassing.
syndrome1965 4 months ago
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cont) I do understand your comment, you did say systematic, so I assume that you at least suspect that there were gas chambers and gassing, but, I do not believe that the evidence supports allegations of an express program of extermination via gassing mass numbers of prisoners. The majority died from starvation and other conditions in the forced labor camps. Many prisoners were shot when they could no longer be productive. Many were poisoned and much worse in inhumane "medical" experiments
syndrome1965 4 months ago
@syndrome1965: I would like to point out that just because you see a line of people going into a room, doesn't mean you have seen them going into "gas chambers" to be executed. In fact, the same people who still claim that the eastern camps all had gas chambers to kill the millions claimed, are the same people who initially claimed they had "gas chambers" in ALL of the camps, including the western camps. Later these people had to recant when it became untenable. CONTINUED#1~>
prancingdog 4 months ago
~>CONTINUED#1: These people went into these camps looking for "gas chambers", and when they found rooms for "fumigation" they called them "gas chamber". The Nazis videoed and photographed the other crimes they committed, but for some reason not this one crime?
MORE IMPORTANTLY: The allies never photographed any infrastructure, or after effects of this alleged gassing program. One photo can say more by what it DOESN'T show than what it does.
CONTINUED#2~>
prancingdog 4 months ago
~>CONTINUED#2: So I am simply saying that I do not believe anyone who claims they witnessed a gassing at any of the camps without some real proof. ESPECIALLY when these people directly gain from keeping this Big Lie going.
I hate having to repeat this most important sentence: I AM NOT SAYING THE NAZIS WEREN'T EVIL, OR DID MANY EVIL THINGS. I AM SAYING THERE WAS NO GASSING PROGRAM TO KILL MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. TRUTH MATTERS.
prancingdog 4 months ago
CONTINUED#2: I just don't believe claims of gassings without some sort of proof. "Witnesses", who have no credibility, mean nothing without corroboration. Tortured "confessions" are not confessions at all. IN FACT...If a nazi 'confesses" to killing millions more people than is even possible (i.e Hoess' 4 million. Admitted exaggeration by Jews today), then that is damning to the whole gassing claim.
I don't just believe what is told to me. I want proof. Until then, I don't believe these liars.
prancingdog 4 months ago
@prancingdog You are too argumentative. You are also claiming two differwent things. You say there was no gassing program, ok, I already agreed with that, but then you say that there is no evidence of any gassings at all, and on that you are 100% completely absolutely WRONG.
syndrome1965 4 months ago
@prancingdog Well, I guess you didn't read all of my post. I did say that I have seen video of people IN a gas chamber being gassed and killed. They DO exist. Just because YOU have not seen them, doesnt mean anything but, you did not see them. It is not as if the videos do not exist until you see them.
I did agree with the other part of what you said, it does not seem as if there were an actual program established to kill prisoners by gassing, but gassing DID TAKE PLACE.
syndrome1965 4 months ago
@syndrome1965: YOU say there is video of people being gassed. YOU say YOU saw it. YOU say gassings took place. But unfortunately YOU can't provide these photos, or video that YOU saw. A psychiatrist would have a field day with your mind.
YOU make grand statements without providing any sources. I think you would be a good Jew. So this begs the question: ARE YOU JEWISH?
prancingdog 4 months ago
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syndrome1965 4 months ago
@ReticentBadger: Hey when you read this go check out "clintonearlwalker" channel. Tell me if he still has the teenage girls favorited, or if he removes it. Maybe he'll report me for being mean to him, and you for outing his lack of historical knowledge. LOL
prancingdog 4 months ago
@ReticentBadger: At this time it is like 20:00 where you are, and this 49 year old guy is online watching young girls in overt, and disgusting displays of sexuality. He's from your eastern time zone also, so think about it..he's online, on a friday evening, watching such filth. HAHAHA
prancingdog 4 months ago
@ReticentBadger: Bro, this guy "Clintonearlwalker" is 49 and likes to watch disgusting videos of teenage girls singing and dancing to rap noise. HAHA I don't think we need to expect anything of substance from such a person. Let him post whatever B.S he wants. He's a typical Youtube loser.
prancingdog 4 months ago
@prancingdog Really? And somehow, you are not? I am not defending anyone, but the worst thing you can say about him is he likes to watch young women sing dance and rap? Are you retarded? Are you jealous? Are you not allowed to watch sexy females shake their stuff and rock the crowd with a microphone? Why do you feel the need to attack CEW personally? Because, dear sir, YOU are the obvious youtube LOSER!
syndrome1965 4 months ago
@syndrome1965: Uh-oh! I touched a nerve. Obviously I came a little too close to your pedophilia nerve. Another Youtube loser who watches little girls "shake their stuff". But enough of that...let's get on to embarrassing YOU on the gassing topic....Continued~>
prancingdog 4 months ago
AMAZING THAT NO ZIONIST WEBSITE HAS THIS MOST DAMNING OF ALL HOLOCAUST PHOTOS/VIDEOS!
I'm sure if Syndrom1965 enlists enough Jews to claim this photo/video exists then maybe they could obtain some more land and money. Simply AMAZING!
Syndrom1965, and his like...The epitome of "hubris".
prancingdog 4 months ago
Know whats funny? A libtard like prancingbitch spamming someone elses video page, talking personal shit about people, because he cannot convince them that he is right. Even funnier, that he probably doesn't even know he is a libtard, and cant see that he attacks people personally, because he is a shitty debator. Prancing Bitch all the shit you talk will never make you right, it will only make people disengage, that doesn't mean youre right either, just means ur talkin 2 urself after a while L8r
syndrome1965 4 months ago
@syndrome1965 HAHAHA! So you can't provide this amazing photo/video you say you saw. Figures you would resort to the same crap other losers have tried. Chastising me for what you are doing is what makes you funny. I especially liked your run-on sentences of blathering buffoonery. LOL
You say people will "disengage", and that "ur talking to urself after a while". But you keep responding, and thus calling yourself a hypocrite. Keep up the good work. The epitome of "hubris".
prancingdog 4 months ago
@ReticentBadger: Nice one bro. Only Zionists could say so many people were killed by the nazis without any real evidence to back it up. Hoess suposedly did all this without a single allied recon plane ever taking a picture of these millions of victims. Or the Nazis for that matter. Even the Nazis photographed the other crimes they ACTUALLY committed.
prancingdog 4 months ago
"I have a clearer recollection of the gassing of 900 Russians which took place shortly afterward in the old crematorium, since the use of cell block 11 for this purpose caused too much trouble. While the transport was detraining, holes were pierced in the earth and concrete ceiling of the mortuary."--Rudolph Hoess Kommandant Auschwitz
clintonearlwalker 4 months ago
@clintonearlwalker The same Hoess that had his family threatened by the British Jew Sgt Clark, then beaten and starved while being told to sign a confession statement written in English? A language the man didn't understand. Oh...I almost forgot the fact that Rudolph Hoess had his testicle crushed in a vice prior to signing that confession. Also..R.Hoess "confessed" to overseeing the murder of 4 million people. A number now admitted to be grossly incorrect. Tortured statements count for nothing.
ReticentBadger 4 months ago
@ReticentBadger Your bullshit garbage spam counts for nothing bub.
clintonearlwalker 4 months ago
@clintonearlwalker: HAHAHA Don't get upset because you didn't research the hoess pitfall in your precious holocaust mythology. If hoess admitted to killing anne frank's father, otto, you'd quote that as well. Go do some research before you try to defend the big lie with already debunked "proof". FAIL!
prancingdog 4 months ago
@prancingdog Why don't you eat the peanuts out of my shit you vomit, Hoess was hung like the stinking war criminal he was. Why don't you research that?
clintonearlwalker 4 months ago
@clintonearlwalker: HAHAHA Congrats! You tried to post a B.S confession, and got called on it, and now your posting pointless facts to save face. OF COURSE he was hung as a war criminal! SO WHAT! No one was saying he wasn't you moron! It would be just as pointless to state "The sun rises in the east. Why don't you research that?". Go back to watching teenage girls singing to disgusting rap noise, you pedophile. HAHA What a loser!
prancingdog 4 months ago