But light enlightens...I bid you the peace of Christ, the True Christ, one with the Father and the Holy Spirit-Christ of two Natures, Divine and Human, but one face,OMOUSIOS> THE ESSENCE OF EVERY RELIGION IS NOT THE SAME
islam is not as is Buddhisim is not as is.....The essence of True Christianity is the Truth of who Christ is, he is not a philosophy, He is both Fully Human and Fully Divine-He Is our Saviour and thus will Return as promised.
But if He is, the Alpha and Omega, the One who is without beginning and without end, then there is TRUTH. Learn about True Christianity. You will not find it on the corner in a church of American origin. You will not find it in Rome, though it was once and for 1053 years there, but it is in Holy Orthodoxy. Read the Fathers, St. John of the ladder, Sts John Chysostom, Basil the great, Gregory of Nyssa. Visit Mt. Athos in cyberspace if you must, St Katherines in Sinai. My brother,demons deceive.
So what you are saying is there is no ultimate truth, no Faith which is True faith and that believing in a rock, or demons or shamans or oracles or lack of oracles or whatever is somehow al "OK" if the final element is love? Therefore why Christ, either He is God Incarnate of a virgin becoming man so man might become God or he is not. If he is not then it does not matter how one gets to that "state of being."
Please understand, there is no insult intended, indeed I am commanded to love, but love requires Truth, so trance possession is not a good thing. It is not a kindness in the heart, but actually a connection with the demonic.
@rasimoo999 perhaps insult was not *intended*, but insult could have been *perceived* when you came onto another religion's video and labelled it as demonic :)
You see, in the same light, Buddhists could also say that a clergy of men choosing God's representative on this earth (the Pope) means the representative is false, because he was chosen by men and not God himself...
@rasimoo999 If you set out to seek fault, then faults you shall find. The essence of every religion is the same - compassion, love, wisdom - but the manifestation will be different. What suits you, won't suit me so it seems to me a better strategy is to seek a common understanding instead of passing judgement.
Let's follow the examples of the learned, practiced men of our respective religions and try to foster understanding amongst people, instead of creating or exacerbating divisions.
@rasimoo999 Christianity and Buddhism are completely different religions. Buddhists do not call Christians Maras, I would hope that you could extend that same compassion towards us.
I once asked why the oracle keeps wiping his face when he takes trance. I was told that he is wiping away OUR obstacles so that our questions can get answered. And we sure do have many obstacles... just look at the current controversy.
@vinayaholder everything the protector does is for the benefit of us, the practitioners. This is evidence enough that he is a Buddha, who acts and speaks only out of compassion for others.
Yes he was a Lama... the Great King Duldzin.... Duldzin Drakpa Gyaltsen who was a direct disciple of Lama Tsongkhapa. Some say he was the first to be offered the throne of Lama Tsongkhapa. Imagine that a previous incarnation of Dorje Shugden could have been the first ever Gaden Tripa...
another very special thing about Dorje Shugden is that he was also a Lama in his previous emanations. so when he takes trance, he can also give us Dharma teachings on top of all the incredible guidance and prophesies. He is not just a dharma protector, but can be considered all three of lama, yidam and protector in one.
isn't it great that no matter how many times they try to "destroy" or "Exorcise" Dorje Shugden (believing he is a spirit) and do all these rituals to get rid of him, DS is still very much alive, and still able to take trance through the oracles to talk to us. This is clear that he is not just a spirit but a highly enlightened being which cannot be destroyed in any way.
Dorje Shugden has five emanations and these represent peaceful, increase, control, wrathful and the main emanation. These are the enlightened emanations of a fully enlightened being. So many clues that reveal the level of his mind.
On the contrary, to Western audiences the Dalai Lama repeatedly says that he issued this ban In order to save this pure and profound Tibetan Buddhism from degenerating into spirit worship. And This ban is applied in order to promote peace and harmony between the four Tibetan Buddhist traditions.
The justification given to the Tibetan public by DL, which destroyed the entire harmony of the Tibetan community, is: Worshipping this evil deity is a danger for my life and for the freedom of Tibet. If you Tibetans want me to be dammed and dont care at all about the cause of Tibet, then go ahead with the worship of this deity.
When we break our samaya to our Gurus in any way, shape or form, we make it very difficult for Dorje Shugden to bring benefit to all of us. This goes for any Dharma protector and the broken samaya is so powerful that it becomes a bond that ties up the protectors from coming to our aid.
Yes, the people who work to create this tremendous website is amazing for the sheer amount of people it bring relief. It is the only website that doesn't criticize either the Dalai Lama or Dorje Shugden in its articles and reporting. It has the most unbiased view and is very authoritative on what is happening right in the heart of the Tibetan community as well. Amazing work!
very nice video. Thank you to the kind people who are running this channel and posting up great videos. And I assume that you guys are the same people who are running the dorjeshugden website? Keep it up - you're doing a great job and giving much hope and strength to DS practitioners like me who have little access to any centres and resources and practice. You are like the shar gaden of the west. Thank you for your courage.
Actually Dorje Shugden are not too happy with those who break their samaya with the lineage masters and go around finding more teachings from different lineages before mastering their own.... He doesn't go round destroying other lineages.
I haven't seen any evidence of Dorje Shugden destroying anything at all! In fact, i hear and read more about him encouraging harmony - stopping criticism of the Dalai Lama - stopping Kache Marpo from intervening when people go over the top to criticise DS or his practitioners.
It seems to me that you're trying to create some sort of SECTARIANISM here. Why can't u listen to what these people have to share with you and be so uptight abt ur views?
Let's debate.
If Pabongkhapa is spreading sectarianism thru DS then so is Trijang Rinpoche. If so, HHDL did his divination and it came out that Trijang Rinpoche can practice DS.
If so, isn't HHDL AUTHORISING THIS SECTARIANISM? SO U R TRYING TO TELL ME THAT HHDL IS A HYPOCRIT?
DS has been acknowledged by many Masters, including the 5th Dalai Lama, and the 14th Dalai Lama (tho now he says he was 'mistaken'). DS is recognised for the past 350 over years and practised by HH Trijang Rinpoche, Pabongkha Rinpoche, and many more (see Great Masters under the dorjeshugden . com website). They have all reincarnated back even tho it's said that if you propitiate him you will go to hell because he's a spirit! So according to Buddhist logic, it must be that DS is enlightened.
Dorje Shugden is a special protector. He is the only Protector who can take trance as a Lama and give blessings, teachings and prophesies as such. If you listen to his advice, tears would well up in your eyes because it is quoted from scriptures and delivered in the most compassionate manner. You can just feel his compassion and wisdom. When you listen to him, you will be certain that he is definitely a Buddha!
If you watch closely, around 2:15 mins, you will see that the oracle in trance is receiving the offerings with Vajra and Bell. This is of great significance, which shows Dorje Shugden is not just any Protector, but is also is a Lama and Yidam. Do read up more about Dorje Shugden at dorjeshugden(dot)com, his previous incarnations, and the benefits of his practice.
another thing: the enlightened Dharma protector Setrap (emanation of Amitabha) and Dorje Shugden exist within the same mandala - this is explained in the practice text and commentaries and there are thangkas depicting this harmony. If DS is a spirit, then why would Setrap endorse a spirit? This doesn't make sense!
@ wisdombeing: good point there. If Nechung was the one who requested Dorje Shugden to arise as Dorje Shugden, then it totally doesn't not match that he then advised Dalai Lama not to propitiate him anymore . that is saying the deities and Dalai Lama himself are fickle n forgetful? I don't think so.
Shar Gaden is just one of a growing number of monasteries that propitiate the practice of Dorje Shugden. Others are Serbom monastery in India, Amarbayasgalant in Mongolia and Phelgyeling monastery in Kathmandu, Nepal. His practice is growing and spreading all over the world. OM BENZA WIKI BITANA SOHA is his powerful blessing mantra.
who is king duldzin? He was one of the 8 great disciples of Lama Tsongkhapa himself and his later incarnations include Panchen Sonam Dragpa, whose texts are still being studied in the great Gelugpa monasteries such as Gaden, and Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen whom many believe to have been murdered and then reincarnated back as the deity Dorje Shugden. In this video, the oracle takes trance of King Duldzin himself
Nechung, who is the current Dharma Protector of the Tibetan Govt in Exile (TGIE), is the one who requested Dulzin Drakpa Gyeltsen to arise as a uncommon Protector to protect Nagarjunas view as embodied within Lama Tsongkapas lineage only 350 years ago. Nechung also reminded Dulzin's incarnation, Tulku Dragpa Gyeltsen, of his previous promise. Intriguing how everything links together.
The state protector Nechung is unable to help the Dalai Lama gain autonomy or freedom for Tibet.
The Tibetan Govt should invoke the Dorje Shugden protector, apologize and ask his help and seek his advice.
Dorje Shugden is a very powerful being that can be a great ally, friend and help to the Dalai Lama. Dalai Lama needs all the friends he can get both human and non-human.
Pelden Hlamo, Kalarupa, Mahakala are fierce, with bloodshot eyes, wearing bone ornaments, trampling or riding over blood, humans, gods and the like. They are near naked, dark in color and have fangs.
Many countries, religions and ignorant ppl would consider them evil or demonic in nature.
Certainly they take on that appearance. So why should we be shocked if some ppl believe Dorje Shugden to be not sacred and holy?
Just continue your practice what you feel is right for YOU.
But light enlightens...I bid you the peace of Christ, the True Christ, one with the Father and the Holy Spirit-Christ of two Natures, Divine and Human, but one face,OMOUSIOS> THE ESSENCE OF EVERY RELIGION IS NOT THE SAME
islam is not as is Buddhisim is not as is.....The essence of True Christianity is the Truth of who Christ is, he is not a philosophy, He is both Fully Human and Fully Divine-He Is our Saviour and thus will Return as promised.
rasimoo999 3 months ago
But if He is, the Alpha and Omega, the One who is without beginning and without end, then there is TRUTH. Learn about True Christianity. You will not find it on the corner in a church of American origin. You will not find it in Rome, though it was once and for 1053 years there, but it is in Holy Orthodoxy. Read the Fathers, St. John of the ladder, Sts John Chysostom, Basil the great, Gregory of Nyssa. Visit Mt. Athos in cyberspace if you must, St Katherines in Sinai. My brother,demons deceive.
rasimoo999 3 months ago
So what you are saying is there is no ultimate truth, no Faith which is True faith and that believing in a rock, or demons or shamans or oracles or lack of oracles or whatever is somehow al "OK" if the final element is love? Therefore why Christ, either He is God Incarnate of a virgin becoming man so man might become God or he is not. If he is not then it does not matter how one gets to that "state of being."
rasimoo999 3 months ago
Please understand, there is no insult intended, indeed I am commanded to love, but love requires Truth, so trance possession is not a good thing. It is not a kindness in the heart, but actually a connection with the demonic.
rasimoo999 11 months ago
@rasimoo999 perhaps insult was not *intended*, but insult could have been *perceived* when you came onto another religion's video and labelled it as demonic :)
You see, in the same light, Buddhists could also say that a clergy of men choosing God's representative on this earth (the Pope) means the representative is false, because he was chosen by men and not God himself...
whitedoors401 3 months ago
@rasimoo999 If you set out to seek fault, then faults you shall find. The essence of every religion is the same - compassion, love, wisdom - but the manifestation will be different. What suits you, won't suit me so it seems to me a better strategy is to seek a common understanding instead of passing judgement.
Let's follow the examples of the learned, practiced men of our respective religions and try to foster understanding amongst people, instead of creating or exacerbating divisions.
whitedoors401 3 months ago
Is there an English translation? Thank you for this video.
Marilyn1122 1 year ago
This is plain and simple demonic possession. Trance oracles are Satanic inputs into human beings. No good come come from this
rasimoo999 1 year ago
@rasimoo999 Christianity and Buddhism are completely different religions. Buddhists do not call Christians Maras, I would hope that you could extend that same compassion towards us.
teknotoast 1 year ago
the old shell game:
fool the people
they give you money happily
matzoball101 1 year ago
may Dorje Shugden remove our humungous obstacles.. personally i'm really quite sick and tired of obstacles... wish i can wipe em all away.. sheesh
wisdombeing 1 year ago
@wisdombeing Suffering is the basis of existence. Without obstacles, we would never learn how to transform posion into medicine.
Marilyn1122 1 year ago
I once asked why the oracle keeps wiping his face when he takes trance. I was told that he is wiping away OUR obstacles so that our questions can get answered. And we sure do have many obstacles... just look at the current controversy.
vinayaholder 1 year ago
@vinayaholder everything the protector does is for the benefit of us, the practitioners. This is evidence enough that he is a Buddha, who acts and speaks only out of compassion for others.
TheRedNiece 1 year ago
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A history of King Duldzin can be found here tinyurl [.] com [/] y9rddcs
Good reading
vinayaholder 1 year ago
Yes he was a Lama... the Great King Duldzin.... Duldzin Drakpa Gyaltsen who was a direct disciple of Lama Tsongkhapa. Some say he was the first to be offered the throne of Lama Tsongkhapa. Imagine that a previous incarnation of Dorje Shugden could have been the first ever Gaden Tripa...
vinayaholder 1 year ago
another very special thing about Dorje Shugden is that he was also a Lama in his previous emanations. so when he takes trance, he can also give us Dharma teachings on top of all the incredible guidance and prophesies. He is not just a dharma protector, but can be considered all three of lama, yidam and protector in one.
TheRedNiece 1 year ago
isn't it great that no matter how many times they try to "destroy" or "Exorcise" Dorje Shugden (believing he is a spirit) and do all these rituals to get rid of him, DS is still very much alive, and still able to take trance through the oracles to talk to us. This is clear that he is not just a spirit but a highly enlightened being which cannot be destroyed in any way.
TheRedNiece 1 year ago
Shugden/WSS/NKT is just a business. It benefits several top "leaders" (translation: business partners) and acts as the lapdog for the CCP.
Sadly, it tricks regular people into thinking they are being benefitted, only to discover the foundation is built on a spiritual pyramid plan.
Beware This Cult. There is a world of true Dharma available, which does NOT require the cult-like subservience so inherent in NKT.
cIoserelative 1 year ago 2
Dorje Shugden has five emanations and these represent peaceful, increase, control, wrathful and the main emanation. These are the enlightened emanations of a fully enlightened being. So many clues that reveal the level of his mind.
closerelative 1 year ago
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On the contrary, to Western audiences the Dalai Lama repeatedly says that he issued this ban In order to save this pure and profound Tibetan Buddhism from degenerating into spirit worship. And This ban is applied in order to promote peace and harmony between the four Tibetan Buddhist traditions.
What is the reality behind these statements?
Find out more at dorjeshugden(dot)com
TheDharmaKnight 1 year ago
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The justification given to the Tibetan public by DL, which destroyed the entire harmony of the Tibetan community, is: Worshipping this evil deity is a danger for my life and for the freedom of Tibet. If you Tibetans want me to be dammed and dont care at all about the cause of Tibet, then go ahead with the worship of this deity.
TheDharmaKnight 1 year ago
When we break our samaya to our Gurus in any way, shape or form, we make it very difficult for Dorje Shugden to bring benefit to all of us. This goes for any Dharma protector and the broken samaya is so powerful that it becomes a bond that ties up the protectors from coming to our aid.
closerelative 1 year ago
Yes, the people who work to create this tremendous website is amazing for the sheer amount of people it bring relief. It is the only website that doesn't criticize either the Dalai Lama or Dorje Shugden in its articles and reporting. It has the most unbiased view and is very authoritative on what is happening right in the heart of the Tibetan community as well. Amazing work!
closerelative 1 year ago
very nice video. Thank you to the kind people who are running this channel and posting up great videos. And I assume that you guys are the same people who are running the dorjeshugden website? Keep it up - you're doing a great job and giving much hope and strength to DS practitioners like me who have little access to any centres and resources and practice. You are like the shar gaden of the west. Thank you for your courage.
dharmadolly 2 years ago
Varavaken,
Actually Dorje Shugden are not too happy with those who break their samaya with the lineage masters and go around finding more teachings from different lineages before mastering their own.... He doesn't go round destroying other lineages.
closerelative 2 years ago
I haven't seen any evidence of Dorje Shugden destroying anything at all! In fact, i hear and read more about him encouraging harmony - stopping criticism of the Dalai Lama - stopping Kache Marpo from intervening when people go over the top to criticise DS or his practitioners.
wisdombeing 1 year ago
Dear Varavaken,
It seems to me that you're trying to create some sort of SECTARIANISM here. Why can't u listen to what these people have to share with you and be so uptight abt ur views?
Let's debate.
If Pabongkhapa is spreading sectarianism thru DS then so is Trijang Rinpoche. If so, HHDL did his divination and it came out that Trijang Rinpoche can practice DS.
If so, isn't HHDL AUTHORISING THIS SECTARIANISM? SO U R TRYING TO TELL ME THAT HHDL IS A HYPOCRIT?
THINK B4 SPEAK
harrynephew 2 years ago
DS embodies the sectarian belief that other Tibetan lineages should be destroyed.
DS had to go.
Varavaken 2 years ago
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Varavaken 2 years ago
DS has been acknowledged by many Masters, including the 5th Dalai Lama, and the 14th Dalai Lama (tho now he says he was 'mistaken'). DS is recognised for the past 350 over years and practised by HH Trijang Rinpoche, Pabongkha Rinpoche, and many more (see Great Masters under the dorjeshugden . com website). They have all reincarnated back even tho it's said that if you propitiate him you will go to hell because he's a spirit! So according to Buddhist logic, it must be that DS is enlightened.
wisdombeing 2 years ago
wisdombeing
Don´t start all over again
same comments, over and over....
Follow anyone you like and shut up.
For a follower you spend an awful lot of time on youtube.
Since you´re not a Buddhist, you don´t have to worry about Buddhist logic.
Varavaken 2 years ago
closerelative
Buddhists don´t take refuge in protectors.
The practice of life-entrustment to Shugden is non-Buddhist.
Propitiating protectors/dharmapalas to help sustain spiritual practice is something else.
The problem is that the authenticity of DS has been disputed.
The practice did not come from Tsongkhapa.
Varavaken 2 years ago
Yes Jayasina,
Dorje Shugden is a special protector. He is the only Protector who can take trance as a Lama and give blessings, teachings and prophesies as such. If you listen to his advice, tears would well up in your eyes because it is quoted from scriptures and delivered in the most compassionate manner. You can just feel his compassion and wisdom. When you listen to him, you will be certain that he is definitely a Buddha!
closerelative 2 years ago
from the look of this footage, i see that this being taking trance isn't ordinary and mundanely motivated but by Dharma and compassion.
I saw the boy being held and blessed and given proper blessings. it is really touching.
jayasina 2 years ago
If you watch closely, around 2:15 mins, you will see that the oracle in trance is receiving the offerings with Vajra and Bell. This is of great significance, which shows Dorje Shugden is not just any Protector, but is also is a Lama and Yidam. Do read up more about Dorje Shugden at dorjeshugden(dot)com, his previous incarnations, and the benefits of his practice.
TheDharmaKnight 2 years ago
another thing: the enlightened Dharma protector Setrap (emanation of Amitabha) and Dorje Shugden exist within the same mandala - this is explained in the practice text and commentaries and there are thangkas depicting this harmony. If DS is a spirit, then why would Setrap endorse a spirit? This doesn't make sense!
TheRedNiece 2 years ago
@ wisdombeing: good point there. If Nechung was the one who requested Dorje Shugden to arise as Dorje Shugden, then it totally doesn't not match that he then advised Dalai Lama not to propitiate him anymore . that is saying the deities and Dalai Lama himself are fickle n forgetful? I don't think so.
TheRedNiece 2 years ago
Adorei!!!
lucianakimus 2 years ago
Dorje Shugden is a worldly "protector", not a Buddha.
Buddhas do not speak through oracles,
spirits do.
Varavaken 2 years ago
SHUGDEN WAS SAID TO ATTACK AND KILL MEMBERS OF THE TRADITION IT IS SWORN TO PROTECT IF THEY TAKE TEACHINGS FROM OTHER TRADITIONS.
THERE ARE ALSO STORIES OF D.S. ATTACKING PEOPLE OF OTHER TRADITIONS OUT OF PURELY SECTARIAN MOTIVATION.
PABONGKHA USED SHUGDEN TO PROMOTE HIS OWN SECTARIAN VIEWS.
He was the "Dharma Protector" for the magical suppression of other schools.
Pabongka´s Shugdenism WAS NOT DERIVED FROM HIS LINEAGE but by the VOICE of Shugden.
It is not Tsongkhapas tradition.
Varavaken 2 years ago
Read THE YELLOW BOOK
It is based on Trijang Rinpoche´s words.
It was published 1973.
It´s about SECTARIANISM.
Why can´t you understand the meaning of that word.
Varavaken 2 years ago
I've gotten a copy of the Yellow Book and look forward to reading it. You have mentioned this book many times.
I am sure you are well aware that HH Trijang Rinpoche is practicing Dorje Shugden. I don't think he contradicts himself, so there must be more to it.
TheDharmaKnight 2 years ago
Shar Gaden is just one of a growing number of monasteries that propitiate the practice of Dorje Shugden. Others are Serbom monastery in India, Amarbayasgalant in Mongolia and Phelgyeling monastery in Kathmandu, Nepal. His practice is growing and spreading all over the world. OM BENZA WIKI BITANA SOHA is his powerful blessing mantra.
vinayaholder 2 years ago
who is king duldzin? He was one of the 8 great disciples of Lama Tsongkhapa himself and his later incarnations include Panchen Sonam Dragpa, whose texts are still being studied in the great Gelugpa monasteries such as Gaden, and Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen whom many believe to have been murdered and then reincarnated back as the deity Dorje Shugden. In this video, the oracle takes trance of King Duldzin himself
vinayaholder 2 years ago
Nechung, who is the current Dharma Protector of the Tibetan Govt in Exile (TGIE), is the one who requested Dulzin Drakpa Gyeltsen to arise as a uncommon Protector to protect Nagarjunas view as embodied within Lama Tsongkapas lineage only 350 years ago. Nechung also reminded Dulzin's incarnation, Tulku Dragpa Gyeltsen, of his previous promise. Intriguing how everything links together.
wisdombeing 2 years ago
The state protector Nechung is unable to help the Dalai Lama gain autonomy or freedom for Tibet.
The Tibetan Govt should invoke the Dorje Shugden protector, apologize and ask his help and seek his advice.
Dorje Shugden is a very powerful being that can be a great ally, friend and help to the Dalai Lama. Dalai Lama needs all the friends he can get both human and non-human.
truth1888 2 years ago
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Pelden Hlamo, Kalarupa, Mahakala are fierce, with bloodshot eyes, wearing bone ornaments, trampling or riding over blood, humans, gods and the like. They are near naked, dark in color and have fangs.
Many countries, religions and ignorant ppl would consider them evil or demonic in nature.
Certainly they take on that appearance. So why should we be shocked if some ppl believe Dorje Shugden to be not sacred and holy?
Just continue your practice what you feel is right for YOU.
truth1888 2 years ago 2
OH! This is the Great King!
buddhafollower 2 years ago