I think this was a very well laid out video tho i have my agnosticism which is how i see fit to acknowledge what is there but in all other retrospects it is common knowlege no matter how Christians try to deny it that almost every aspect of their faith came from paganism my mother is Wicca and i have been to both church and Wicca ceremonies and i have to say in the end we all agree that there is a god and its a personal relationship with a higher being that we come to forge our beliefs.
No matter what the truth is nothing but the truth! & it's all I could ever want.
1 Corinthians 13:4-8
New International Version (NIV) Written by Apostle Paul
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres
I am a Falun Gong practitioner. Falun Dafa is a cultivation system in the Buddha School based on the principles of the Universe: 真 Truthfulness 善 Compassion 忍 Forbearance.
Since 1999 it has been brutally persecuted by the CCP in China. People are being killed, tortured, put into concentration camps and have organs harvested from live people, simply because of their belief. More than 3400 Falun Gong practitioners have died at the hands of CCP in the past 12 years.
There is only ONE GOD, and that is Allah. Islam is the ONLY true Monotheistic religion, that believes in ALL the messengers of Allah.. There is no God but Allah, and Muhammed is his final messenger, and slave.
NO CHRISTIAN will acknowledge this because it put their religion in a light the bible does not portray, CHRISTIANS cannot think outside the bible or the church, so i dontt even listen to their that was "wrong" speeches.
CHRISTIANS get your head out of your bible and church and see the light, sorry that is impossible for you.
The poor Flying Spaghetti Monster is the Rodney Dangerfield of the gods. No fucking respect. Haha! Religion is is nothing more than a mass minfuck to assert control for the "Inner Circle" that controls everything from religion to government to global economy. They want total power and a N.W.O. and they're getting it. Ever seen "Face/Off"? Barack is dead. He was a ringer for Bin-laden. Osama is in the White House. (Check out the major nip tuck work on the Pres.& the eerie similarities)
@duddy11 Well, Fuck you very much. Crazy? yup. In bunches. Delusional? Not a chance. Religion has yer balls boyo. Say bye bye nutsack. You religious sanitykillers need to just shut the fuck up and die already. Your a fucking disease. Atheism is the cure. That and Spaghetti. With a hearty Meatsauce and a shit load of cheese. BWAHAHA!
the music is ver unfitting in such a video ou have to make lots of times for the slides and some calm background music soyou can think not this dominating music.
there are always counterfeits to the real. especially the good stuff.
additionally, in a larger scale, there's always conflict with the good and the bad in life as well. Where there is great good, you will also see great evil.
or where there might be great truth (God) there might be great lies (Satan)
@DaddyOD13 they dont celebrate xmas because they thinks its pagan, and they dont celebrate birthdays because when birthdays are depicted in the bible someone always gets hurt or killed, for example john the baptist got beheaded as a birthday present for a queen or a princess, because she wanted his head for her birthday gift, they dont and cannot believe in evolution and a earth that is billions of years old because they take Adam and eve litterally.
Christianity has nothing to do with the teachings of jesus.It was invented by paul.
The trinity of it was invented by the romans.God never gave the Bible to jesus.The real Book of God who was given to jesus was the Injeel.Some know it as the gospel.
Bible is man invented.It is full contradictions.A Book of God can never have contradictions in it.The first DUMB contradiction of the bible is "God first created day and night and after 3 days He created the sun.hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.
there is no real history in Torah, Bible... it is all a political semitic occult hoax; even Semites today know this and proved many things; that there was no "Great flood" 5000 Bc, no Exodus, no Jesus in year 0.
Beyond that it is the ancient scientific religion which prayed for the well being of Gods creations not only human beings.
Again,the details of Hinduism wantonly kept suppressed by vested interests to the westerners and other people of the world due to the fear that its concept of higher and noble spirituality would get the admiration of the world people immediately even though Hinduism never interested in numbers!
Spare the 'Holier than thou' shit please. Hinduism is a vile and archaic religion with its sickening caste system, especially in rural parts of India, whereas to their credit Islam and Christianity have mostly stopped observing such a system in India.
Also lets not forget that it's an absolute load of crazy nonsensical shit, and you'd have a tough time converting anybody to it. Religious indoctrination only works (for the most part) on children.
Were you still a child when you were indoctrinated? All that you have done in this video is repeat what men have taught you. You did not discover this for yourself, nor was it told to you by an angel. Thus, you are but another doctrinaire.
If you ever meet the Son and learn from Him, then you will become an original. Bless you.
@jonny616 I find it gloriously ironic that YOU, in your comments sound so "Holier than though". Athiests are the firmest "believers" and absolutists. hahahahhahah... im laughing my devilish ass off at you.
@VictoryJenn7 Do you mean the culture that has been behind, by far, MOST of the human-caused atrocities in history and up to this day! No sweetheart...Christians & Muslims, in particular, have LOST that right of respect! Deranged worldviews distort people's ability to function harmlessly in the SHARED reality! It has been proven to be NOTHING BUT DANGEROUS & INHIBITING TO PROGRESS! If you have the right to free speech, intelligent people have the right to chastise those who spread BULLSHIT!
Recently came out a female scholar, certain Sara Hermon, that has written a book " The Galileus Gospel" (italian language). She claims to have been a pupil of prof. Morton Smith, maybe by mailing because she lived in Europe and not in USA; anyway, it seems they met sometimes in England many years ago. We don't know if Hermon's book is fiction or reality, but it's amazing how many similarities the novel shows, compared to Smith hypothesis about secret, gnostic Mark gospel.
@MRBLACKPEARL04 Maybe, but a lack of understanding is I think the only thing that seperates good and evil. It's a very thin line between good and evil.
@855842 Yes. Where would we be without all the bombings, beheadings, mutilations, and wars? How would we possibly get by without their hatred of women and their subjugation, the indoctrination of hatred and intolerence in their children, and the primative, ignorant, uncivilized societies that they have created that look more like the 7th century than the 21st. Wonderful book written by a pedophile rapist and drug addict who earned a living by murder and theft. Good reading, right?
@edwardschlosser1 a drug dealer and a rapist?? and earned his living by murdering and thef???? where are you getting your info from?? some anti Islamic site??wow you like to believe lies dont you... the world is about to end no one knows when it is..God sent a great guidance The holy Quran and perfected it from being corrupted by man like the other scriptures God revealed to man..i suggest you read it and repent to God and God alone who created all things. worship God only God is 1 amen
the events of the NT are historical. So whether or not there are similarities and if any they are greatly exaggerated, matters little for the events took place. There miracles were real and Jesus the teacher is counted by the historian Josephus as leading the people astray.
@VictoryJenn7 -- Xians have been claiming to be living in the end for the past 2000 years. Nothing has happened yet. Gee, imagine that! Only the religious can be that excited to die. It's pretty sick.
before u assume things think of the possibilities, think of the possiblities that wat we r being taught could be a lie that there is a groupof people who r powerful that can keep u from know the truth
@093darkknight How convenient, to say someone is the FINAL prophet! Good way to preemptively dismiss the wisdom of ANY genius, or 'prophet', that may exist now, or yet come! What a foolishly dangerous point-of-view, you might as well find the switch to your brain and flick it completely to the OFF position, FUCKIN DUMB!!!
@Saraswathiputra I know Hinduism happens to be a living, evolving understanding (or collection of understandings) that has a more accepting & cooperative attitude toward other systems (an enlightened point-of-view). If I am not mistaken, there have been no 'Crusades', filled with brutal conquest & torture, to convert the world to Hinduism! Imagine that...NOT being driven to MURDER everyone in the name of an ALL-LOVING, ALL-FORGIVING BEING!...What a novel concept!
REV 22-16 IS THE BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR-VENUS WORSHIP--ITS ALL ASTROTHEOLOGY-JESUS IS REPTILLIAN WORSHIP-AND HE WAS BARIED IN SRINIGAR-INDIA--ANYWAYS--CHRISTIANITY IS --A THROW AWAY SOLAR CULT RELIGION WAKE UP-THE SAME STORY WAS RUNNING AROUND THE MED FOR `1000 YEARS BEFORE RA HORUS--MYTHRA-KRISHNA-SAME STORIES --IT CAME THRU THE MEROVIGN BLOODLINE THIS RELIGULOUS NONSENSE
ww.youtube.com/watch?v=vkXOwBIRX7Y-please watch and understand ur own bible
Recently came out a female scholar, certain Sara Hermon, that has written a book " The Galileus Gospel" (italian language). She claims to have been a pupil of prof. Morton Smith, maybe by mailing because she lived in Europe and not in USA; anyway, it seems they met sometimes in England many years ago. We don't know if Hermon's book is fiction or reality, but it's amazing how many similarities the novel shows, compared to Smith hypothesis about secret, gnostic Mark gospel.
True!! Zora Ester is hardly ever brought up, He was Ancient Persian messiah who came back from the dead 6 times. Religion was started as a form of control, thats why around the World theres similarities, in dates, aspects, Characters actions, stories, etc. Religions contain some truth, some fiction, a lot plagiarism, and codes for those who know what it means? ..This was done on purpose, seriously having all these Religions only divides us, our DNA is coded, our languages were changed too.
In the Greek Drama, the idea of the Single Actor, the same One Host, would come out on stage wearing the "Masks" literally , in Latin, meaning "Persona " Thus the Mystery of God who is One, is understood by the Trinity ,as One Original Single Host, God, but having a Divine or dividing nature, to wear a hat or crown or robe or ring, and thus bear the "
" Masks" or Persons available coming out of the same one Actor, the Single Host. So the Father ,Son and Holy Ghost is the Same Host as One
You are misunderstanding the meaning of Pagan. The early people thought the Stars had a Divine Mission by moving around, to create the world. Thus "Elementalism" was later dismissed in favor of Monotheism, the idea a core Truth is One that began the World and reflects in all works of Nature, and that the Stars then were not as gods, but as servants in the greater Good of the One, that defines the Reality. Universe= One Verse, a Single Idea, instead of stars and planets ruling over it
@REALITYCHURCH Yea the point we are in 2011 and people are fighting this hard to defend something that was worshiped by people that would worship one of us if we went back into the past with a Iphone and ipad is weird.. The part that makes me laugh is none of these people lived 1000s of years ago but they swear up and down this is what happen.. I can say a UFOs landed in San Francisco and give the exact name just because San Francisco exist doesn't mean that event happen the way I said it..
Christianity — The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
You really should do more research before taking on such a topic. Do you honestly believe that we are ignorant of the false religions, (paganism that is), and that this topic has never been addressed before. You SEEM TO BE LIKE all the other fluffy bunny pagans who picked up their latest copy of new age junk and pass it on like its some great revelation. Do better research, as you are the educated one fighting the noble cause. Ill pray for ya.
Our knowledge regarding Mithraism is very imperfect; some 600 brief inscriptions, mostly dedicatory, some 300 often fragmentary, exiguous, almost identical monuments, a few casual references in the Fathers or Acts of the Martyrs, and a brief polemic against Mithraism which the Armenian Eznig about 450 probably copied from Theodore of Mopsuestia (d. 428) who lived when Mithraism was almost a thing of the past
Hey john, jesus was not born on december the 25th, and we know that Catholicism is full of pagan lies. Every thing your Zeigeist friends have told you is a lie and has been totally refuted. The pagan origins you are talking about are not pagan at all they originally came from the records of the Antidiluvian Fathers. Research what you are saying before you open mouth and insert foot.
Origin of CHRISTianity is Jesus Christ. Origins of paganism IN christianity is catholic church who are NOT christians. Fact is catholics prophetically been mixing their vain traditions of men into christianity about 1500 years. God gave christianity Martin Luther to exposed its evil doctrines & later gave us America to practice religious freedom from opression of iron grip of catholicism theocracy/dark ages, but now its diggn its claws into pagan usa senate & supreme crt=all catholics!Prophecy
@1978dagreat Thank you my brother: i search hi and low for some of us who have actually researched the truth. It amazes me how so many thinking people cannot see the difference, such as how the birth of the savior ended up on December the 25th. They hear the lies of the Zeigeist movement and the no longer wish to question that maybe the Zeigeist movement is lying to destroy their Faith. It is my hope that i can encourage some of them to investigate the other side of the story.
Thanks, Jonny616, for this tight little gem of well researched video myth busting and for your thoughtful and thought-provoking written wisdom. The music is brilliant. For the rest of y'all, there is plenty of research questioning the historicity of "the Christ". Try reading The Christ Conspiracy or just watching Zeitgeist. But some folks just want to believe in Jesus and Christianity, proof or no. I say subvert the dominant paradigm. Down with the patriarchy!
@Ring0fSaturn Oh yes the christ conspiracy written a conceived of by a whole bunch of people who are known athiests and communists. Who make shit up as they go along and all you so called intelligent people strain the gnat and swallow a camel. How smart you are. Good luck: i hope your Zeigeist friends are right???
@MrEbonyice There is no harm in that. The harm comes when people begin taking every word in the bible literally. The bible have some nice passages along with many absurd and violent passages that are full of contradictions. Here's 1: Deuteronomy 13:10 "And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage." God promotes murder? What happen to free will?
@creamone No kidding, I can't find ONE supposed 'Christian' who even knows this is in the bible, nor can they contend with it without some serious maneuvering & interpretation: LUKE 19:27 (Jesus speaking to Zacchaeus & others) "...THESE ENEMIES OF MINE THAT DID NOT WANT ME TO BECOME KING OVER THEM BRING HERE AND SLAUGHTER THEM BEFORE ME." Explain that one my fine, and thoroughly acquainted with your own (very short) magic book of the absolute meaning of life, Christian friends!!!
Jesus is real, he was known as Esa, but the pagan Romans who incorporated Christianity into their culture changed it and added/deleted things from it. Thats why attributed these Characters to him. Modern day Christianity is nothing more than pagan idol worship, cloaked as monotheism.
Everyone should research Islam, and read the Qur'an as well as a biography of the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh). I suggest "Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources" By Martin Lings.
If this is one God then why does it say in the bible "LET US " make man in out image it doest make scene. Clearly there is more than one God that created us and other living organism
@YAGIRLLUCCIONO I think people should become Deist. Deism believes a God created the Universe and the Earth. Deist don't belive in any revealed religiions claiming they know what God is. Deist don't believe in the bible because it was written by man. It's obvious that man created God in his image not the other way around. Deist belive that God is a force of nature or energy force not some man in the sky watching your every move. Thermodynamics law #1 Energy is eternal, can't be destroyed.
Christianity is pagan but the religion of Jesus was the truth! i agree with u Christianity was created by romans but Jesus was real n lived on this earth!Jesus was not a God/son of God BUT was a servant n prophet just like Adam,Moses just to name a few prophets of God Almighty!! u assume Christianity was what Jesus preach but how can he preach what he was not!?? Jesus was real! but Christianity is a false religion!
if jesus really rose from the dead and floated up to heaven then where did he really go? there is no heaven in the sky there is only an vast cosmos which would take billions of light years to reach the end of. so basically if JC floated out in space hes not even out of the galaxy yet so his "return" is not going to happen. youd reach this same conclusion if you thought logically. if youre a dumbass you'd continue to believe the bible litterally.
Jesus never claimed to be a Christian nor did he teach Christianity! Christianity's origin begins with the teaching of the false Apostle Paul! Who taught n claimed that Jesus was the son of God n introduced a pagan doctrine of Jesus(Trinity) being apart of God! Only after his death was his teachings changed by The council of Nicca who inserted more Pagan beliefs(Mithra,Christmas,Sunday) into Christianity n introducing a New version of Pauline pagan Christianity aka Catholicism(pagan Christians)!
Jesus spoke Aramic / Arabic, and His name is Eesa and not Jesus. It would make sense that his name in the original language that he him self spoke is the true one. Jesus means something white mixed with darkness and redishness, if you wanna know the truth about Christianity then see what is behind the scenes in the Vatican because there's no point of arguing if someone is "just" being stubborn to defend the more convenient truth.
2:09 , you are asking to give thoughts to Pagan gods like Helios and Such? this video is more promoting paganism than helping Christians. The whole conflict and misleading is when you go to a Church and kneel, kneel to God not Jesus, you are kneeling to a statue that is man made and has nothing to do with holiness.
@TheAntichristRising Listen here, potty mouth. I researched everyone of the god's in this video. None of them are even close to the Christian God. That claim is a total lie!
Christianity has been misled to proclaim a wrong name for the One Who they worship, now for over 1900 years. They are the only religion on earth that stubbornly refuses to acknowledge the name of Whom they worship, convinced by the names they hear from their pastors and read in their establishment Bibles. Yet some wonder what the name of the impostor who is foretold to come will be, though the answer is under their very noses.
It only makes sense that this should be thus, since if the Lie came by any other name, Christians would not be willing to switch, and Satan has not been idle for these 2000 years! Plus, since this is not the true name of Whom we do worship, there is no reason the Lie cannot come by this name. “Matthew” (MattithYâ´huw) 24: 4-5 does not say “many shall come by My name”, it actually says:
Beware, lest anyone cause you to wander astray! For many shall come against My name, saying I am “the Anointed One” Yet they will cause many to wander astray.”
So if this is not the true name of Who we worship, what does this false name really mean?
“I have come by the name of My Father, yet ye do not accept Me; whenever another might come by his OWN name, that one then ye will receive!”
exculpate one who lifts His name to corruption/ falseness" (Exculpate means make blameless). The third commandment commands us to not lift His name to corruption/ falseness. At the risk of offending nearly everyone, such corruptions of the name of Yâ-hwéh Yâhuwshúa` (eswhy hwhy) include: "Jehovah ", "Yahuwah", "Yahveh", "YAOHU", " Yahuah", "Yahuweh", and worse, and of the name of the Anointed: "Yehoshua", "Yahshua", "Yeshua", "Jesus", " YAOHUSHUA", "Yahwehshua", " Yahusha" & worse.
Lord is the English translation of the Hebrew title and false deity Bá`al (Baal), which is also a term used for Satan (Bá`al-Zvuwv), and demons in general, as they possess humans. It means Controller, Owner, Despot, Dominator, and in Latin is Domine, in Spanish is Señor.
Hey, Johny, do you believe that Jesus was an actually born, or do you think he was just a myth? If you believe he was a myth, I dare you to go on google, and put "Jesus' tomb face imprint." It's the second image. It's his face imprinted on his tomb. With graphic computer graphics, it was possible to look at it clearly.
I googled it because I suspected you meant the Shroud of Turin. You probably don't know what that is, but it's the picture you meant. This shroud has been shown to be from the 13th Century by carbon dating, and also the weave is typical of that time. There were about 4 or 5 of them about just a couple of centuries ago; the Catholic Church loves a moneymaking scheme ;)
Also this is a huge cloth, whereas the Bible suggests their were several, covering different parts of the body...
@jonny616 Well, actually what they've said was that they carbon dated it, and yes, it came out to be 13th century. However, they found out the reason why was because (I don't remember exactly what it was) the catholics or some group of people were taking the tomb to the church or something ( I can be wrong of this). So they basically accidently carbon dated their finger prints, and it came out to be in the 13 century. On the other hand, they carbon dated it again, and it did came out to be
@jonny616 What out extra-biblical refference to Christ in letters from Pliny, and the account of Tacitus, which is debated to even refference the ressurection? May I suggest the volumes written by Samuel Shuckford "The Sacred and Profane History of the World Connected" great explanation of how you can confuse Zorastianism with Christianity.
@jonny616 Hi Killjoy. You are really something killing the whole story by inserting Bible suggest there were several, covering different parts of the body. What a scoop? There is no irrefutable historical evidence of a Jesus of Gospels. However, there was man, according to Death Sea Scrolls, who led an ascetic Jewish sect, Esseness, with a name: The Righteous One. He died natural death & was buried according the Jewish rites. Esseness still exists albeit a few.
...(John 20)So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. 4 Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5 He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7 as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen.
@digga115 God is the Hebrew name of a false deity worshipped by Babylon (Bavel), Fortune, known in Aramaic as Mammon, and translated into Greek as Demon.
@digga115 You are a complete moron.... And a waste of good air that could be better used to fuel the brains of intelligent people. Please hold your breath...... indefinately.
@TAER99 Hmm, If I was a waste of good air, then why did you wasted your time commenting about me? It's all good because I believe you're a waste of sperm that should've been a simple cumshot in the eye. Tss, I'm just saying.
Tomb face imprint ? AHAHAHAHAH, this is a great lie my friend, one more created for pagan religion call cristianism. In india too many fake proves how that cited for you, in india there is people that confirms that ganesh(God elefant) appears in sometimes . Have be many inocent for belief in this mitologys.
@MrIluw Indian also thought the earth hung on elephants. However, Job 26;7 "...He hangs the earth on nothing..." It's really no point of arguing with you, actually.
Man, you are really a typical mindless, naive American (and I am ashamed to admit I live here)! Is that the extent of your compelling proof there digga??? How could you or anyone else possibly recognize the face of someone that no one in our time has ever seen an actual image of? Tell us, is it painful to be so incredibly ignorant?!
@evman5000 Nope. These are actual big evidence that Jesus was born. I don't know if you believe in the zeitgeist stuff, but I've refuted this page, but the user that made this video had erased the comment. The source of this whole video came from the zeitgeist video made by Peter Joseph. Once you actually research what he has claimed, you'll find out that he pretty much made everything up. It's been refuted for a long while now. I just think it's funny that people still cling on to this. :-)
Genuinely never seen 'Zeitgeist', as I said last time. This video was made using archaeological findings, historical studies and so on, with some stuff sourced from essays on Jesusneverexisted (d)ot com. There is ZERO evidence that Jesus was ever born. Absolutely none. The great literary age of Augustus and nobody wrote about him whilst he was apparently alive...
Where is your evidence digga? You'd be the first ever human being to provide any, so I'm looking forward to it.
@jonny616 Then how come I can easily find another source of the story of Mithra, and it totally contradicts your video?
Why do you keep being biased and say that there's "ZERO" evidence when you can easily look it up and see even historical writers that believed in another religion had even stated that Jesus did exist, they just didn't believe he was the son of God?Even if I gave you evidence and showed it right in your face, you'd more than likely come up with an excuse to why it's there. :-)
As much as I appreciate why you would backtrack on debating with me, I'd still love to see your evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ, digga (as, I'm sure, would every Historian in the world.)
Poems songs and stories were a common way of spreading news and recording events, and it just so happens that under Augustus, literature and poetry were very popular. So you shouldn't have much trouble finding one that talks about the son of god and his incredible miracles. :)
@jonny616 Hehehe... I think you really told yourself that I was not going to respond to this one, huh? Hehe, let's start. Cornelius Tacitus, a roman historian that lived from 55- 120 AD. Tacitus was considered to be one of the best historians in Rome. He verified the biblical account of Jesus' execution in the hands of Pontias Pilot (Sorry if I did not spell his name correctly) who govern Judea from 26-36 AD during the reign of Tibiries (did not spell his name right more than likely once again)
(continuation) Tacitus writes the following "Crustis, the founder of the Christian name was put to death by Pontias pilate(pro creater of Judae and the reign of Tiberias), but the pernicious superstition repressed for a time broke out again. Not only through Judea, but through the city of Rome also. It would confirm the following; Jesus did exist. Jesus was the founder of Christianity, Jesus was put to death by Pilate, Christianity originated in Judea, Christianity later spread through Rome.
@digga115 this is all Afro Semitic occult "history" - written in 11th century AD . The oldest "Torah" is Leningrad Codex or Pentateuch. Many people think it is the "older than New Testament" - but was written in 11th century AD- paradoxical. the whole "history" is based on this manuscript. Christ-os is just new version of Osirian Egyptian Krst, perverted Krishna.
@VendPrekmurec Sad thing is your source are actually not even strongly supported nor taken seriously, which is why the things you believe are only called conspiracy.
(continuation) Next. Lucian of Samosata was a second century greek satirist and scornfully describe his view of early Christianity. Even though he mocked christianity, his writings confirmed that Jesus was executed and He was the founder of Christianity.
(continuation) Lucian of Samosata also wrote "Christian, you know, worship a man to this day- the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account... It impressed on them by their original lawgiver, that they are all brothers from the moment they are converted and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his law..." The Death of peregrinus 11-13
(continuation) The passage of the book confirms once again 1.) Jesus did exist 2.) Jesus was the found of Christianity. 3.) Jesus was worshiped by His followers. 4.) Jesus suffered death by crucifixion.
(continuation) Now, another historian, Flavius Josephus who also lived at that time. "Now there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it's lawful to call him a man for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as received the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him many of the jews and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ. And when Pilate had condemned him to the cross. Those that loved him, at first did not forsake him. For he appeared to them alive again the third day.
(continuation) "as the divine prophets had foretold these and 10,000 other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribes of Christian so name for him are not extinct today. :-)
Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all Abrahamic religions. Muslims believe in the same prophets (only with Arabic names) but believed the words that god give them have been changed and mistranslated so as to not be reliable, so he had an angel recite to his final messenger Muhammad, so that his words would be exact, which is what Muslims believe about the Qu'ran. It also says that Jesus will be at the right side of Allah on Judgement day.
Mithra is worshipped on sunday, but there is no biblical history that states you have to worship God on a sunday, however, the seventh day of the week, which is Saturday.
It's because Sunday was the day after the Resurrection, which is the Feast of Firstfruits. In Corinthians, Paul calls the resurrection of Jesus the "first fruits" of the resurrection for this reason.
Surely you know your own Bible? Then again, if Christians truly knew the Bible - when and how it was written, by whom and how it was compiled, they wouldn't mistake it for the truth.
@jonny616 Hmm...so you erased my other comment, huh? :-) It's okay. And to be honest, I don't read the bible so much as I think I should, however, I research and look up things in the bible.
You needn't read the Bible at all, it's full of completely fabricated stories belonging to a ancient religion that only became popular thanks to the expanse of the Roman Empire and the reforms of Emperor Theodosius. Whilst I believe there to be no god, that's not what I'm arguing here, I am just saying that Christianity, and in fact all Abrahamic religions, can be proven to be false.
And I deleted the other comment because it was a link with no description of what it was.
@jonny616 Actually, the bible totally contradicts what the Romans actually believed. The reason why we celebrate the birth of Jesus in December is because the first Roman Christian Emperor, Constanting, wanted to "Christinize" the pagan beliefs by setting it at the same time the pagan holidays were celebrated. All the Egyption mythology did not have the same stories as Jesus. If you look up on google, earth history, you'd see their actual stories. I can't post the link since it won't let me.
@jonny616 You mixed up Catholicism in this video with Christianity, Christianity as a whole doesn't practice Catholicism. (I'm an atheist by the way so spare the your god is fake shit)
Ergh, uploaded this video 4 years ago and this has to be the 10th time I heard this daft comment.
Does nobody study history anymore?! Catholicism is the ORIGIN of Christianity. Have you never heard of the reformation, in which protestantism was born out of Catholicism? If Catholicism was inherently flawed from the moment of its creation in the halls of Rome - as this video shows - then can we not also deduce that any offspring of it is therefore also flawed? Common sense really.
@jonny616 Amen to that, brother! Or should I say "Amun-Ra" to that! (I expect that to be a little over the heads of our fine pseudo-Christian friends.)
@digga115 Correct! The early christians were Jews & so Shabbat (sunset friday-sunset saturday) was a rest/worship day. However Shabbat/Sabbath can also fall any day during the week during certain biblical festivals/feasts. By jewish reckoning the day begins at sunset & 2 biblical references to motza'ei shabbat (the going out of the sabbath) translated as "the lords day" or "first of the week" would have been saturday night after sunset they gathered to break bread/communion & can include sunday
@spiritfingers1 You have great knowledge! I think when you watched this video, you realized that everything he stated of midthria having the same story as Jesus is pretty much refutable. I already refuted him on the real story of midthria, which came from the website of earth history. But Jonny616 erased it, so he won't feel too embarrassed about the refute, even though he claims it's because "it was a link with no description of what it was."
@digga115 Exactly. There is a new movement to try to say that the faith of Yahweh came from Paganism.. instead of fact that the pagan garbage was later crammed into the faith of the Scriptures. I have my doubts about a lot of the stuff surrounding Yahshua Messiah in the New Testiment.. But the more I study the origins of the words in the Old Testiment, the more it is proved - the more it is justifiable. Constantine & the Roman Church clung to the Pagan Sun Worship and called it Christian.
@mokoko143 why the fuck do xtians all think atheism=nihilism:p I have never raped, murdered, stolen ( I did steal when I was a xtian actually, not sense I've became atheist), or do anything else anyone would consider bad... The worst I've done is look at porn, but who the hell doesn't? hahaha
also there is a difference between a slave and a servant, in ancient pagan times the servants were paid a slave is not paid and so the bible is not paying any referenece to a slave Crownideas
@irimanan27 In the Deut. 24 passage about not oppressing a poor servant it does appear that it is a different hebrew word. But Exodus 21 about free a slave who's eye or tooth you have destroyed and being punished for killing them is definately a slave in the sense you're speaking of. And slaves did have rights. A slave could even own his own slaves in some cases.
@CrownIdeas you are giving me passages from deut then heres one deut 21.18 if a man has a disobedient child then the family and towns people shall stone him/her to death. the hebrew who fled egypt for old canaan were stone masons these people were paid wages but treated cruel they considered themselves slaves. how ever if they were paid they were servants if you arent paid you are a slave and have no rights! when these testimonies were written it was regarding servants but slaves to freedom
I understand where this video is coming from but you have thrown out the baby with the bathwater. YHWH is SET APART from all gods! He says so! He is not a pagan deity, christianity is a pagan religion that was ONCE Jewish and Biblical!
I think this was a very well laid out video tho i have my agnosticism which is how i see fit to acknowledge what is there but in all other retrospects it is common knowlege no matter how Christians try to deny it that almost every aspect of their faith came from paganism my mother is Wicca and i have been to both church and Wicca ceremonies and i have to say in the end we all agree that there is a god and its a personal relationship with a higher being that we come to forge our beliefs.
the1battousai 22 hours ago
No matter what the truth is nothing but the truth! & it's all I could ever want.
1 Corinthians 13:4-8
New International Version (NIV) Written by Apostle Paul
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres
JohnnyRocks21 1 week ago
@JohnnyRocks21 "I am the beginning the middle and the the end of all that is..." -Krishna (avatara of Vishnu)
DarkBeautyLoraine 2 days ago
You do realize that the cult of Mithras came into prominence AFTER Christianity started....
TheLueii 1 week ago
Thank you for this video!
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Xiaolian7 1 month ago
What's funny is that all these "pagan" beliefs that are ridiculed now, actually validated long ago the need of humanity for a savior.
kub73158 2 months ago
@kub73158
Reducto ad absurdum, amen!
AldousAnimus 4 weeks ago
There is only ONE GOD, and that is Allah. Islam is the ONLY true Monotheistic religion, that believes in ALL the messengers of Allah.. There is no God but Allah, and Muhammed is his final messenger, and slave.
duddy11 3 months ago
@duddy11 ... and why?
SenLinFu 3 months ago
@duddy11 Uh, you do know that every other person who worships other gods thinks that THEIR god is the one true god too?
lesliekwan80 2 weeks ago
@ resonantdave
Sorry for your ignorance!
I will send those Hindus cosmogony and cosmology.
Tell me,where it is not scientific !!
Saraswathiputra 3 months ago
NO CHRISTIAN will acknowledge this because it put their religion in a light the bible does not portray, CHRISTIANS cannot think outside the bible or the church, so i dontt even listen to their that was "wrong" speeches.
CHRISTIANS get your head out of your bible and church and see the light, sorry that is impossible for you.
blackbat1339 3 months ago
HO NOW I KNOW WHY WORLD HAVES TO END
TheBoricua122 4 months ago
The poor Flying Spaghetti Monster is the Rodney Dangerfield of the gods. No fucking respect. Haha! Religion is is nothing more than a mass minfuck to assert control for the "Inner Circle" that controls everything from religion to government to global economy. They want total power and a N.W.O. and they're getting it. Ever seen "Face/Off"? Barack is dead. He was a ringer for Bin-laden. Osama is in the White House. (Check out the major nip tuck work on the Pres.& the eerie similarities)
TheCrimsonification 4 months ago
@TheCrimsonification you sir are crazy, and delusional.
duddy11 3 months ago
@duddy11 Well, Fuck you very much. Crazy? yup. In bunches. Delusional? Not a chance. Religion has yer balls boyo. Say bye bye nutsack. You religious sanitykillers need to just shut the fuck up and die already. Your a fucking disease. Atheism is the cure. That and Spaghetti. With a hearty Meatsauce and a shit load of cheese. BWAHAHA!
TheCrimsonification 2 months ago
the music is ver unfitting in such a video ou have to make lots of times for the slides and some calm background music soyou can think not this dominating music.
turbofritz2 4 months ago
lol nice just wut i need for re class
crazyrahul97 4 months ago
well done you fried my brain with ALL those gods.lol
idontsignin 4 months ago
there are always counterfeits to the real. especially the good stuff.
additionally, in a larger scale, there's always conflict with the good and the bad in life as well. Where there is great good, you will also see great evil.
or where there might be great truth (God) there might be great lies (Satan)
yelloputz 5 months ago
There's only one Christian religion that I know of,
that is possibly free of pagan influences.
Although they had to gradually do away with aspects of them.
The Jehovah's Witnesses.
DaddyOD13 5 months ago
@DaddyOD13 ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! lol yeah ok
zipitup75 4 months ago
@zipitup75 That was my attitude about them also.
I thought they didn't celebrate Xmas & birthdays because they were fun.
Or some other strange reason. I'm not JW. But I've studied.
I've been unsure if God exists for a long time.
It's obvious the universe is older than 6000 yrs.
JWs believe this & evolution to a degree. Just not AbioGenesis.
But they follow the Bible far more than any other so called Christian.
And I respect them for that.
Religious war mongers should be put out of our misery.
DaddyOD13 4 months ago
@DaddyOD13 they dont celebrate xmas because they thinks its pagan, and they dont celebrate birthdays because when birthdays are depicted in the bible someone always gets hurt or killed, for example john the baptist got beheaded as a birthday present for a queen or a princess, because she wanted his head for her birthday gift, they dont and cannot believe in evolution and a earth that is billions of years old because they take Adam and eve litterally.
zipitup75 4 months ago
@zipitup75 Those I've talked to believe animals adapt to environments.
& that all cats are related. All birds, etc., etc.
But not reptiles & mammals, or that life sprang up by it's self.
Evolution to "a degree". But not "ABioGenesis".
They don't think Earth's only 7000 yrs old. But they say mankind is.
They say the days of creation weren't 24 hours long.
The Bible says Gods days aren't as mans.
So I'm pretty sure they believe the universe could be billions of years old.
I'll ask them about that.
DaddyOD13 4 months ago
What song is this and who is it from?
jityr2 5 months ago
If Christianity came from Iran, then all the MORE reason to BOMB IRAN !
Avalon400 5 months ago
this guys an idiot......damn moron.
OVtigerstripe 5 months ago
Christianity has nothing to do with the teachings of jesus.It was invented by paul.
The trinity of it was invented by the romans.God never gave the Bible to jesus.The real Book of God who was given to jesus was the Injeel.Some know it as the gospel.
Bible is man invented.It is full contradictions.A Book of God can never have contradictions in it.The first DUMB contradiction of the bible is "God first created day and night and after 3 days He created the sun.hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.
izri1 6 months ago
there is no real history in Torah, Bible... it is all a political semitic occult hoax; even Semites today know this and proved many things; that there was no "Great flood" 5000 Bc, no Exodus, no Jesus in year 0.
VendPrekmurec 6 months ago
lol this video is funny
troysz 6 months ago
jonny616,do you know Hinduism!I
Is it?
Dumb ass!
Do yo have any idea about the purpose of Caste system?See the records of Greek historians 2300 years ago as witness accounts.
Your vies on Hinduism is simply show you are a moron!!
Improve your knowledge first!
Dont show you humbug!!
Saraswathiputra 6 months ago
Beyond that it is the ancient scientific religion which prayed for the well being of Gods creations not only human beings.
Again,the details of Hinduism wantonly kept suppressed by vested interests to the westerners and other people of the world due to the fear that its concept of higher and noble spirituality would get the admiration of the world people immediately even though Hinduism never interested in numbers!
Saraswathiputra 6 months ago
@Saraswathiputra
Spare the 'Holier than thou' shit please. Hinduism is a vile and archaic religion with its sickening caste system, especially in rural parts of India, whereas to their credit Islam and Christianity have mostly stopped observing such a system in India.
Also lets not forget that it's an absolute load of crazy nonsensical shit, and you'd have a tough time converting anybody to it. Religious indoctrination only works (for the most part) on children.
jonny616 6 months ago 2
@jonny616
Were you still a child when you were indoctrinated? All that you have done in this video is repeat what men have taught you. You did not discover this for yourself, nor was it told to you by an angel. Thus, you are but another doctrinaire.
If you ever meet the Son and learn from Him, then you will become an original. Bless you.
OKandNOWwhat 5 months ago
@jonny616 but they have a monkey god with super powers! lol how awesome is that
Frizzurd 3 months ago
@jonny616 I find it gloriously ironic that YOU, in your comments sound so "Holier than though". Athiests are the firmest "believers" and absolutists. hahahahhahah... im laughing my devilish ass off at you.
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notjam3 4 months ago
@Saraswathiputra There are no scientific religions. Faith and reason are litterally opposites.
resonantdave 3 months ago
@VictoryJenn7 Do you mean the culture that has been behind, by far, MOST of the human-caused atrocities in history and up to this day! No sweetheart...Christians & Muslims, in particular, have LOST that right of respect! Deranged worldviews distort people's ability to function harmlessly in the SHARED reality! It has been proven to be NOTHING BUT DANGEROUS & INHIBITING TO PROGRESS! If you have the right to free speech, intelligent people have the right to chastise those who spread BULLSHIT!
evman5000 6 months ago
Great piece of music by the way.
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reginadelgraal 6 months ago
Even if this was real about the religions you cant escape the fact that there is Good and Evil. good and evil spirits
MRBLACKPEARL04 6 months ago
@MRBLACKPEARL04 Maybe, but a lack of understanding is I think the only thing that seperates good and evil. It's a very thin line between good and evil.
ahauntedhistory 6 months ago
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evman5000 6 months ago
THANK GOD FOR THE HOLY QURAN ♥
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EarthlingChild 6 months ago
@855842 Yes. Where would we be without all the bombings, beheadings, mutilations, and wars? How would we possibly get by without their hatred of women and their subjugation, the indoctrination of hatred and intolerence in their children, and the primative, ignorant, uncivilized societies that they have created that look more like the 7th century than the 21st. Wonderful book written by a pedophile rapist and drug addict who earned a living by murder and theft. Good reading, right?
edwardschlosser1 6 months ago
@edwardschlosser1 a drug dealer and a rapist?? and earned his living by murdering and thef???? where are you getting your info from?? some anti Islamic site??wow you like to believe lies dont you... the world is about to end no one knows when it is..God sent a great guidance The holy Quran and perfected it from being corrupted by man like the other scriptures God revealed to man..i suggest you read it and repent to God and God alone who created all things. worship God only God is 1 amen
855842 6 months ago
Is it just me or does the music in this video not go with the theme? I found it very distracting. Other then that, it's a great video. Good job! :)
prsldy 7 months ago
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prsldy 7 months ago
the events of the NT are historical. So whether or not there are similarities and if any they are greatly exaggerated, matters little for the events took place. There miracles were real and Jesus the teacher is counted by the historian Josephus as leading the people astray.
j919or 7 months ago
@j919or -- not one single reputable historian will vouch for jesus ever having existed.
nthomas87 6 months ago
@nthomas87 yes, we're living in the end times. Of course they wont admit Jesus to be real...... v.v
VictoryJenn7 6 months ago
@VictoryJenn7 -- Xians have been claiming to be living in the end for the past 2000 years. Nothing has happened yet. Gee, imagine that! Only the religious can be that excited to die. It's pretty sick.
nthomas87 6 months ago
before u assume things think of the possibilities, think of the possiblities that wat we r being taught could be a lie that there is a groupof people who r powerful that can keep u from know the truth
cristiancore64 7 months ago
Nothing great can be achieved without sacrifice.
chemerich 7 months ago
What! I was wrong! I lost my chance at the holiest of holy! Damn you cookie monster! I wanted that cookie! Why do you curse us so!
QBRebel16 7 months ago
Oh, oh! I know the answer! It's Christianity right? Do I win a cookie?
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youneekk 7 months ago
thank god (hah) for people like you getting this info out into the youtube community.
ItsEasyIfYouThink 7 months ago
Being an ex-muslim, there is an islamic belief that every nation was sent a prophet by God for guidance, Muhammad being the final one.
Amazing music btw :P
093darkknight 8 months ago
@093darkknight How convenient, to say someone is the FINAL prophet! Good way to preemptively dismiss the wisdom of ANY genius, or 'prophet', that may exist now, or yet come! What a foolishly dangerous point-of-view, you might as well find the switch to your brain and flick it completely to the OFF position, FUCKIN DUMB!!!
evman5000 6 months ago
digga115,dumb ass!
Tell me,what do you know exactly on Hinduism.
Why this kind of humbug!!
Saraswathiputra 8 months ago
@Saraswathiputra I know Hinduism happens to be a living, evolving understanding (or collection of understandings) that has a more accepting & cooperative attitude toward other systems (an enlightened point-of-view). If I am not mistaken, there have been no 'Crusades', filled with brutal conquest & torture, to convert the world to Hinduism! Imagine that...NOT being driven to MURDER everyone in the name of an ALL-LOVING, ALL-FORGIVING BEING!...What a novel concept!
evman5000 6 months ago
in the end learn how to love...or now.....for many will not be of his religion, many will be judge but whats in there hearts.. peace and love.
italazil 8 months ago
excelent finding
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theywarnedus 9 months ago
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reginadelgraal 9 months ago
True!! Zora Ester is hardly ever brought up, He was Ancient Persian messiah who came back from the dead 6 times. Religion was started as a form of control, thats why around the World theres similarities, in dates, aspects, Characters actions, stories, etc. Religions contain some truth, some fiction, a lot plagiarism, and codes for those who know what it means? ..This was done on purpose, seriously having all these Religions only divides us, our DNA is coded, our languages were changed too.
SwaggerLikeUz 9 months ago
In the Greek Drama, the idea of the Single Actor, the same One Host, would come out on stage wearing the "Masks" literally , in Latin, meaning "Persona " Thus the Mystery of God who is One, is understood by the Trinity ,as One Original Single Host, God, but having a Divine or dividing nature, to wear a hat or crown or robe or ring, and thus bear the "
" Masks" or Persons available coming out of the same one Actor, the Single Host. So the Father ,Son and Holy Ghost is the Same Host as One
CarmineFragione 9 months ago
You are misunderstanding the meaning of Pagan. The early people thought the Stars had a Divine Mission by moving around, to create the world. Thus "Elementalism" was later dismissed in favor of Monotheism, the idea a core Truth is One that began the World and reflects in all works of Nature, and that the Stars then were not as gods, but as servants in the greater Good of the One, that defines the Reality. Universe= One Verse, a Single Idea, instead of stars and planets ruling over it
CarmineFragione 9 months ago
All I hear in my head is; "Religion is sooo stupid! You have to turn your brain off just to accommodate all the lies, contradictions and absurdness!"
REALITYCHURCH 9 months ago
@REALITYCHURCH Yea the point we are in 2011 and people are fighting this hard to defend something that was worshiped by people that would worship one of us if we went back into the past with a Iphone and ipad is weird.. The part that makes me laugh is none of these people lived 1000s of years ago but they swear up and down this is what happen.. I can say a UFOs landed in San Francisco and give the exact name just because San Francisco exist doesn't mean that event happen the way I said it..
grownman455 8 months ago
Nice job. There's been a lot of criticism of the first zeitgeist movie's handling of the religious myths of christianity. What say you?
longslidenyc 9 months ago
Christianity — The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
MrTruthAddict 9 months ago
@MrTruthAddict ~ My Kindred... I am stealing that. Perfectly true.
REALITYCHURCH 3 months ago
@REALITYCHURCH Please do...
MrTruthAddict 3 months ago
Sounds like Catholic not Christian. Also two different words!
14greg14 9 months ago
You really should do more research before taking on such a topic. Do you honestly believe that we are ignorant of the false religions, (paganism that is), and that this topic has never been addressed before. You SEEM TO BE LIKE all the other fluffy bunny pagans who picked up their latest copy of new age junk and pass it on like its some great revelation. Do better research, as you are the educated one fighting the noble cause. Ill pray for ya.
kacertj 10 months ago
Our knowledge regarding Mithraism is very imperfect; some 600 brief inscriptions, mostly dedicatory, some 300 often fragmentary, exiguous, almost identical monuments, a few casual references in the Fathers or Acts of the Martyrs, and a brief polemic against Mithraism which the Armenian Eznig about 450 probably copied from Theodore of Mopsuestia (d. 428) who lived when Mithraism was almost a thing of the past
kacertj 10 months ago
Hey john, jesus was not born on december the 25th, and we know that Catholicism is full of pagan lies. Every thing your Zeigeist friends have told you is a lie and has been totally refuted. The pagan origins you are talking about are not pagan at all they originally came from the records of the Antidiluvian Fathers. Research what you are saying before you open mouth and insert foot.
Mrpl778 10 months ago
Origin of CHRISTianity is Jesus Christ. Origins of paganism IN christianity is catholic church who are NOT christians. Fact is catholics prophetically been mixing their vain traditions of men into christianity about 1500 years. God gave christianity Martin Luther to exposed its evil doctrines & later gave us America to practice religious freedom from opression of iron grip of catholicism theocracy/dark ages, but now its diggn its claws into pagan usa senate & supreme crt=all catholics!Prophecy
1978dagreat 10 months ago
@1978dagreat Thank you my brother: i search hi and low for some of us who have actually researched the truth. It amazes me how so many thinking people cannot see the difference, such as how the birth of the savior ended up on December the 25th. They hear the lies of the Zeigeist movement and the no longer wish to question that maybe the Zeigeist movement is lying to destroy their Faith. It is my hope that i can encourage some of them to investigate the other side of the story.
Mrpl778 10 months ago
Thanks, Jonny616, for this tight little gem of well researched video myth busting and for your thoughtful and thought-provoking written wisdom. The music is brilliant. For the rest of y'all, there is plenty of research questioning the historicity of "the Christ". Try reading The Christ Conspiracy or just watching Zeitgeist. But some folks just want to believe in Jesus and Christianity, proof or no. I say subvert the dominant paradigm. Down with the patriarchy!
Ring0fSaturn 10 months ago
@Ring0fSaturn Oh yes the christ conspiracy written a conceived of by a whole bunch of people who are known athiests and communists. Who make shit up as they go along and all you so called intelligent people strain the gnat and swallow a camel. How smart you are. Good luck: i hope your Zeigeist friends are right???
Mrpl778 10 months ago
@MrEbonyice Obvious indoctrination is obvious.
Poltionorch 10 months ago
@MrEbonyice There is no harm in that. The harm comes when people begin taking every word in the bible literally. The bible have some nice passages along with many absurd and violent passages that are full of contradictions. Here's 1: Deuteronomy 13:10 "And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage." God promotes murder? What happen to free will?
creamone 11 months ago
@creamone No kidding, I can't find ONE supposed 'Christian' who even knows this is in the bible, nor can they contend with it without some serious maneuvering & interpretation: LUKE 19:27 (Jesus speaking to Zacchaeus & others) "...THESE ENEMIES OF MINE THAT DID NOT WANT ME TO BECOME KING OVER THEM BRING HERE AND SLAUGHTER THEM BEFORE ME." Explain that one my fine, and thoroughly acquainted with your own (very short) magic book of the absolute meaning of life, Christian friends!!!
evman5000 6 months ago
This video shows one of the reasons why I'nm an atheist.God is an invention of man.Man creates god to suite his many ideas and purposes.
skepticthinker111 11 months ago
This video shows one of the reasons why I'm an atheist.
skepticthinker111 11 months ago
Jesus is real, he was known as Esa, but the pagan Romans who incorporated Christianity into their culture changed it and added/deleted things from it. Thats why attributed these Characters to him. Modern day Christianity is nothing more than pagan idol worship, cloaked as monotheism.
Everyone should research Islam, and read the Qur'an as well as a biography of the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh). I suggest "Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources" By Martin Lings.
Peace
hansbricks912 11 months ago
If this is one God then why does it say in the bible "LET US " make man in out image it doest make scene. Clearly there is more than one God that created us and other living organism
YAGIRLLUCCIONO 11 months ago
@YAGIRLLUCCIONO I think people should become Deist. Deism believes a God created the Universe and the Earth. Deist don't belive in any revealed religiions claiming they know what God is. Deist don't believe in the bible because it was written by man. It's obvious that man created God in his image not the other way around. Deist belive that God is a force of nature or energy force not some man in the sky watching your every move. Thermodynamics law #1 Energy is eternal, can't be destroyed.
creamone 11 months ago
Christianity is pagan but the religion of Jesus was the truth! i agree with u Christianity was created by romans but Jesus was real n lived on this earth!Jesus was not a God/son of God BUT was a servant n prophet just like Adam,Moses just to name a few prophets of God Almighty!! u assume Christianity was what Jesus preach but how can he preach what he was not!?? Jesus was real! but Christianity is a false religion!
moeazysgc 1 year ago
if jesus really rose from the dead and floated up to heaven then where did he really go? there is no heaven in the sky there is only an vast cosmos which would take billions of light years to reach the end of. so basically if JC floated out in space hes not even out of the galaxy yet so his "return" is not going to happen. youd reach this same conclusion if you thought logically. if youre a dumbass you'd continue to believe the bible litterally.
pistolpete667 1 year ago
Jesus never claimed to be a Christian nor did he teach Christianity! Christianity's origin begins with the teaching of the false Apostle Paul! Who taught n claimed that Jesus was the son of God n introduced a pagan doctrine of Jesus(Trinity) being apart of God! Only after his death was his teachings changed by The council of Nicca who inserted more Pagan beliefs(Mithra,Christmas,Sunday) into Christianity n introducing a New version of Pauline pagan Christianity aka Catholicism(pagan Christians)!
moeazysgc 1 year ago
Free Thinker!! Bad Choice! To you that don't believe God, go separate way don't force
any one to accept your concept!
elazar79 1 year ago
Jesus spoke Aramic / Arabic, and His name is Eesa and not Jesus. It would make sense that his name in the original language that he him self spoke is the true one. Jesus means something white mixed with darkness and redishness, if you wanna know the truth about Christianity then see what is behind the scenes in the Vatican because there's no point of arguing if someone is "just" being stubborn to defend the more convenient truth.
NaserMusic 1 year ago
2:09 , you are asking to give thoughts to Pagan gods like Helios and Such? this video is more promoting paganism than helping Christians. The whole conflict and misleading is when you go to a Church and kneel, kneel to God not Jesus, you are kneeling to a statue that is man made and has nothing to do with holiness.
NaserMusic 1 year ago
@TheAntichristRising Listen here, potty mouth. I researched everyone of the god's in this video. None of them are even close to the Christian God. That claim is a total lie!
CrownIdeas 1 year ago
Christianity has been misled to proclaim a wrong name for the One Who they worship, now for over 1900 years. They are the only religion on earth that stubbornly refuses to acknowledge the name of Whom they worship, convinced by the names they hear from their pastors and read in their establishment Bibles. Yet some wonder what the name of the impostor who is foretold to come will be, though the answer is under their very noses.
CreateRealWorldPeace 1 year ago
666
Transliterated to Classical Hebrew, in the Aramaic alphabet this would be:
דְ לֹרְדּ חֵזֻס כְרִסְטֹס
60, 9, 60, 200, 20; 60, 7, 8; 4+4, 200, 30; 4
60 + 289 + 75 + 238 + 4 = 666
And it also adds up to 666 in Hebrew numerals!
CreateRealWorldPeace 1 year ago
@CreateRealWorldPeace And it also adds up to 666 in Hebrew numerals!
Christian interpolation. The gematria number for man and beast is 256.
Matthew1944 1 year ago
It only makes sense that this should be thus, since if the Lie came by any other name, Christians would not be willing to switch, and Satan has not been idle for these 2000 years! Plus, since this is not the true name of Whom we do worship, there is no reason the Lie cannot come by this name. “Matthew” (MattithYâ´huw) 24: 4-5 does not say “many shall come by My name”, it actually says:
CreateRealWorldPeace 1 year ago
Beware, lest anyone cause you to wander astray! For many shall come against My name, saying I am “the Anointed One” Yet they will cause many to wander astray.”
So if this is not the true name of Who we worship, what does this false name really mean?
“I have come by the name of My Father, yet ye do not accept Me; whenever another might come by his OWN name, that one then ye will receive!”
(Yâhuwchânâ´n (“John”) 5: 43)
CreateRealWorldPeace 1 year ago
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CreateRealWorldPeace 1 year ago
Even corruptions of His actual name are unacceptable to Him, because He says in the third commandment: "Yâ-hwéh your Mighty Ones shall not....
CreateRealWorldPeace 1 year ago
exculpate one who lifts His name to corruption/ falseness" (Exculpate means make blameless). The third commandment commands us to not lift His name to corruption/ falseness. At the risk of offending nearly everyone, such corruptions of the name of Yâ-hwéh Yâhuwshúa` (eswhy hwhy) include: "Jehovah ", "Yahuwah", "Yahveh", "YAOHU", " Yahuah", "Yahuweh", and worse, and of the name of the Anointed: "Yehoshua", "Yahshua", "Yeshua", "Jesus", " YAOHUSHUA", "Yahwehshua", " Yahusha" & worse.
CreateRealWorldPeace 1 year ago
Dios is the Greek name of Zeus (Jupiter), and it is used in Acts 14:13 in all Greek New Testaments,
CreateRealWorldPeace 1 year ago
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CreateRealWorldPeace 1 year ago
Lord is the English translation of the Hebrew title and false deity Bá`al (Baal), which is also a term used for Satan (Bá`al-Zvuwv), and demons in general, as they possess humans. It means Controller, Owner, Despot, Dominator, and in Latin is Domine, in Spanish is Señor.
CreateRealWorldPeace 1 year ago
God is the Hebrew name of a false deity worshipped by Babylon (Bavel), Fortune, known in Aramaic as Mammon, and translated into Greek as Demon.
CreateRealWorldPeace 1 year ago
Hey, Johny, do you believe that Jesus was an actually born, or do you think he was just a myth? If you believe he was a myth, I dare you to go on google, and put "Jesus' tomb face imprint." It's the second image. It's his face imprinted on his tomb. With graphic computer graphics, it was possible to look at it clearly.
digga115 1 year ago
@digga115
I googled it because I suspected you meant the Shroud of Turin. You probably don't know what that is, but it's the picture you meant. This shroud has been shown to be from the 13th Century by carbon dating, and also the weave is typical of that time. There were about 4 or 5 of them about just a couple of centuries ago; the Catholic Church loves a moneymaking scheme ;)
Also this is a huge cloth, whereas the Bible suggests their were several, covering different parts of the body...
jonny616 1 year ago 8
@jonny616 Well, actually what they've said was that they carbon dated it, and yes, it came out to be 13th century. However, they found out the reason why was because (I don't remember exactly what it was) the catholics or some group of people were taking the tomb to the church or something ( I can be wrong of this). So they basically accidently carbon dated their finger prints, and it came out to be in the 13 century. On the other hand, they carbon dated it again, and it did came out to be
digga115 1 year ago
@jonny616 (continuation) about 2,000 years old.
digga115 1 year ago
@jonny616 What out extra-biblical refference to Christ in letters from Pliny, and the account of Tacitus, which is debated to even refference the ressurection? May I suggest the volumes written by Samuel Shuckford "The Sacred and Profane History of the World Connected" great explanation of how you can confuse Zorastianism with Christianity.
flyer54us 1 year ago
@jonny616 The carbon dating was in error because the Shroud was in a fire and saved from the building it was in before it burned down.
Rainy64 1 year ago
@jonny616 Hi Killjoy. You are really something killing the whole story by inserting Bible suggest there were several, covering different parts of the body. What a scoop? There is no irrefutable historical evidence of a Jesus of Gospels. However, there was man, according to Death Sea Scrolls, who led an ascetic Jewish sect, Esseness, with a name: The Righteous One. He died natural death & was buried according the Jewish rites. Esseness still exists albeit a few.
amoralis123 9 months ago
...(John 20)So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. 4 Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5 He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7 as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen.
jonny616 1 year ago
@jonny616 Know what a FOLDED napkin means at a dinner table???? Means I'll be back-
Rainy64 1 year ago
@jonny616 Know what a FOLDED napkin means at a dinner table???? Means I'll be back-
OK...What about the HISTORIC individual that was Jesus of Nazareth? Many "recent" witnesses to His actions...versus the ancient Mithra stories.
Rainy64 1 year ago
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@digga115 God is the Hebrew name of a false deity worshipped by Babylon (Bavel), Fortune, known in Aramaic as Mammon, and translated into Greek as Demon.
CreateRealWorldPeace 1 year ago
@digga115 You are a complete moron.... And a waste of good air that could be better used to fuel the brains of intelligent people. Please hold your breath...... indefinately.
TAER99 1 year ago
@TAER99 Hmm, If I was a waste of good air, then why did you wasted your time commenting about me? It's all good because I believe you're a waste of sperm that should've been a simple cumshot in the eye. Tss, I'm just saying.
digga115 1 year ago
@digga115 Not proven. Wrong carbon dating. A hoax.
MrJohnnyrace 8 months ago
Tomb face imprint ? AHAHAHAHAH, this is a great lie my friend, one more created for pagan religion call cristianism. In india too many fake proves how that cited for you, in india there is people that confirms that ganesh(God elefant) appears in sometimes . Have be many inocent for belief in this mitologys.
MrIluw 8 months ago
@MrIluw Indian also thought the earth hung on elephants. However, Job 26;7 "...He hangs the earth on nothing..." It's really no point of arguing with you, actually.
digga115 8 months ago
Man, you are really a typical mindless, naive American (and I am ashamed to admit I live here)! Is that the extent of your compelling proof there digga??? How could you or anyone else possibly recognize the face of someone that no one in our time has ever seen an actual image of? Tell us, is it painful to be so incredibly ignorant?!
evman5000 6 months ago
@evman5000 Nope. These are actual big evidence that Jesus was born. I don't know if you believe in the zeitgeist stuff, but I've refuted this page, but the user that made this video had erased the comment. The source of this whole video came from the zeitgeist video made by Peter Joseph. Once you actually research what he has claimed, you'll find out that he pretty much made everything up. It's been refuted for a long while now. I just think it's funny that people still cling on to this. :-)
digga115 6 months ago
@digga115
Genuinely never seen 'Zeitgeist', as I said last time. This video was made using archaeological findings, historical studies and so on, with some stuff sourced from essays on Jesusneverexisted (d)ot com. There is ZERO evidence that Jesus was ever born. Absolutely none. The great literary age of Augustus and nobody wrote about him whilst he was apparently alive...
Where is your evidence digga? You'd be the first ever human being to provide any, so I'm looking forward to it.
jonny616 6 months ago
@jonny616 Then how come I can easily find another source of the story of Mithra, and it totally contradicts your video?
Why do you keep being biased and say that there's "ZERO" evidence when you can easily look it up and see even historical writers that believed in another religion had even stated that Jesus did exist, they just didn't believe he was the son of God?Even if I gave you evidence and showed it right in your face, you'd more than likely come up with an excuse to why it's there. :-)
digga115 6 months ago
....continuation... Just like when I've refuted you and deleted the comment. That's why it's really no point of arguing with you.
digga115 6 months ago
@digga115
As much as I appreciate why you would backtrack on debating with me, I'd still love to see your evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ, digga (as, I'm sure, would every Historian in the world.)
Poems songs and stories were a common way of spreading news and recording events, and it just so happens that under Augustus, literature and poetry were very popular. So you shouldn't have much trouble finding one that talks about the son of god and his incredible miracles. :)
jonny616 6 months ago
@jonny616 Hehehe... I think you really told yourself that I was not going to respond to this one, huh? Hehe, let's start. Cornelius Tacitus, a roman historian that lived from 55- 120 AD. Tacitus was considered to be one of the best historians in Rome. He verified the biblical account of Jesus' execution in the hands of Pontias Pilot (Sorry if I did not spell his name correctly) who govern Judea from 26-36 AD during the reign of Tibiries (did not spell his name right more than likely once again)
digga115 6 months ago
(continuation) Tacitus writes the following "Crustis, the founder of the Christian name was put to death by Pontias pilate(pro creater of Judae and the reign of Tiberias), but the pernicious superstition repressed for a time broke out again. Not only through Judea, but through the city of Rome also. It would confirm the following; Jesus did exist. Jesus was the founder of Christianity, Jesus was put to death by Pilate, Christianity originated in Judea, Christianity later spread through Rome.
digga115 6 months ago
@digga115 this is all Afro Semitic occult "history" - written in 11th century AD . The oldest "Torah" is Leningrad Codex or Pentateuch. Many people think it is the "older than New Testament" - but was written in 11th century AD- paradoxical. the whole "history" is based on this manuscript. Christ-os is just new version of Osirian Egyptian Krst, perverted Krishna.
VendPrekmurec 6 months ago
@VendPrekmurec Sad thing is your source are actually not even strongly supported nor taken seriously, which is why the things you believe are only called conspiracy.
digga115 6 months ago
(continuation) Next. Lucian of Samosata was a second century greek satirist and scornfully describe his view of early Christianity. Even though he mocked christianity, his writings confirmed that Jesus was executed and He was the founder of Christianity.
digga115 6 months ago
(continuation) Lucian of Samosata also wrote "Christian, you know, worship a man to this day- the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account... It impressed on them by their original lawgiver, that they are all brothers from the moment they are converted and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his law..." The Death of peregrinus 11-13
digga115 6 months ago
(continuation) The passage of the book confirms once again 1.) Jesus did exist 2.) Jesus was the found of Christianity. 3.) Jesus was worshiped by His followers. 4.) Jesus suffered death by crucifixion.
digga115 6 months ago
(continuation) Now, another historian, Flavius Josephus who also lived at that time. "Now there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it's lawful to call him a man for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as received the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him many of the jews and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ. And when Pilate had condemned him to the cross. Those that loved him, at first did not forsake him. For he appeared to them alive again the third day.
digga115 6 months ago
(continuation) "as the divine prophets had foretold these and 10,000 other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribes of Christian so name for him are not extinct today. :-)
digga115 6 months ago
@evman5000 You tell us if its painful to be ignorant. Degrading a culture like that...
VictoryJenn7 6 months ago
@mokoko143
Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all Abrahamic religions. Muslims believe in the same prophets (only with Arabic names) but believed the words that god give them have been changed and mistranslated so as to not be reliable, so he had an angel recite to his final messenger Muhammad, so that his words would be exact, which is what Muslims believe about the Qu'ran. It also says that Jesus will be at the right side of Allah on Judgement day.
But it's all fucking nonsense of course.
jonny616 1 year ago
Mithra is worshipped on sunday, but there is no biblical history that states you have to worship God on a sunday, however, the seventh day of the week, which is Saturday.
digga115 1 year ago 3
@digga115
It's because Sunday was the day after the Resurrection, which is the Feast of Firstfruits. In Corinthians, Paul calls the resurrection of Jesus the "first fruits" of the resurrection for this reason.
Surely you know your own Bible? Then again, if Christians truly knew the Bible - when and how it was written, by whom and how it was compiled, they wouldn't mistake it for the truth.
jonny616 1 year ago 3
@jonny616 Hmm...so you erased my other comment, huh? :-) It's okay. And to be honest, I don't read the bible so much as I think I should, however, I research and look up things in the bible.
digga115 1 year ago
@digga115
You needn't read the Bible at all, it's full of completely fabricated stories belonging to a ancient religion that only became popular thanks to the expanse of the Roman Empire and the reforms of Emperor Theodosius. Whilst I believe there to be no god, that's not what I'm arguing here, I am just saying that Christianity, and in fact all Abrahamic religions, can be proven to be false.
And I deleted the other comment because it was a link with no description of what it was.
jonny616 1 year ago
@jonny616 Actually, the bible totally contradicts what the Romans actually believed. The reason why we celebrate the birth of Jesus in December is because the first Roman Christian Emperor, Constanting, wanted to "Christinize" the pagan beliefs by setting it at the same time the pagan holidays were celebrated. All the Egyption mythology did not have the same stories as Jesus. If you look up on google, earth history, you'd see their actual stories. I can't post the link since it won't let me.
digga115 1 year ago
@jonny616 abrahamic religions, just like islam are total failure. Same basics, same ideas and same goal... political power.
And can you tell me name of song please.
uroswolf 8 months ago
@jonny616 You mixed up Catholicism in this video with Christianity, Christianity as a whole doesn't practice Catholicism. (I'm an atheist by the way so spare the your god is fake shit)
arishokful 6 months ago
@arishokful
Ergh, uploaded this video 4 years ago and this has to be the 10th time I heard this daft comment.
Does nobody study history anymore?! Catholicism is the ORIGIN of Christianity. Have you never heard of the reformation, in which protestantism was born out of Catholicism? If Catholicism was inherently flawed from the moment of its creation in the halls of Rome - as this video shows - then can we not also deduce that any offspring of it is therefore also flawed? Common sense really.
jonny616 6 months ago
@jonny616 That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, the disciples of jesus were not catholic.
You're stupid as fuck.
Ever heard of Orthodox?
arishokful 3 months ago
@jonny616 Amen to that, brother! Or should I say "Amun-Ra" to that! (I expect that to be a little over the heads of our fine pseudo-Christian friends.)
evman5000 6 months ago
@digga115 Correct! The early christians were Jews & so Shabbat (sunset friday-sunset saturday) was a rest/worship day. However Shabbat/Sabbath can also fall any day during the week during certain biblical festivals/feasts. By jewish reckoning the day begins at sunset & 2 biblical references to motza'ei shabbat (the going out of the sabbath) translated as "the lords day" or "first of the week" would have been saturday night after sunset they gathered to break bread/communion & can include sunday
spiritfingers1 1 year ago
@spiritfingers1 You have great knowledge! I think when you watched this video, you realized that everything he stated of midthria having the same story as Jesus is pretty much refutable. I already refuted him on the real story of midthria, which came from the website of earth history. But Jonny616 erased it, so he won't feel too embarrassed about the refute, even though he claims it's because "it was a link with no description of what it was."
digga115 1 year ago
@digga115 Exactly. There is a new movement to try to say that the faith of Yahweh came from Paganism.. instead of fact that the pagan garbage was later crammed into the faith of the Scriptures. I have my doubts about a lot of the stuff surrounding Yahshua Messiah in the New Testiment.. But the more I study the origins of the words in the Old Testiment, the more it is proved - the more it is justifiable. Constantine & the Roman Church clung to the Pagan Sun Worship and called it Christian.
brae53 9 months ago
@mokoko143 why the fuck do xtians all think atheism=nihilism:p I have never raped, murdered, stolen ( I did steal when I was a xtian actually, not sense I've became atheist), or do anything else anyone would consider bad... The worst I've done is look at porn, but who the hell doesn't? hahaha
fcdog555 1 year ago
@mokoko143 dang, you sure do seem like a moral person. calling the guy a stupid fucking atheist? you must be a christian.
wlchambers 1 year ago
also there is a difference between a slave and a servant, in ancient pagan times the servants were paid a slave is not paid and so the bible is not paying any referenece to a slave Crownideas
irimanan27 1 year ago
@irimanan27 In the Deut. 24 passage about not oppressing a poor servant it does appear that it is a different hebrew word. But Exodus 21 about free a slave who's eye or tooth you have destroyed and being punished for killing them is definately a slave in the sense you're speaking of. And slaves did have rights. A slave could even own his own slaves in some cases.
CrownIdeas 1 year ago
@CrownIdeas you are giving me passages from deut then heres one deut 21.18 if a man has a disobedient child then the family and towns people shall stone him/her to death. the hebrew who fled egypt for old canaan were stone masons these people were paid wages but treated cruel they considered themselves slaves. how ever if they were paid they were servants if you arent paid you are a slave and have no rights! when these testimonies were written it was regarding servants but slaves to freedom
irimanan27 1 year ago
its cliche to see these baseless vids when the script itself says there is a dominant false version. you'd think people might clue in on this...
SithMage 1 year ago
@TheAntichristRising you make claims without any proof. This video is based on total lies and fabrications. What do you base your claims on?
CrownIdeas 1 year ago
I understand where this video is coming from but you have thrown out the baby with the bathwater. YHWH is SET APART from all gods! He says so! He is not a pagan deity, christianity is a pagan religion that was ONCE Jewish and Biblical!
GanEdenAustralia 1 year ago