Stockholm Changing of the Guard 22-08-2010

[Arodon3x0]

oh värnplikt jag saknar dej =(!

[DoktorMarx]

Varför är Dalaregementet och hemvärnets flaggor representerade?

[1dalea]

Why don't we fight dressed like this anymore? War used to be fun, now it's all browns and grey. Sigh...

[bh5496]

@1dalea i hole that was a joke, the war fun thing

[Gouki6669]

@1dalea war is never fun, people die you stupid cunt

[SMGJohn]

@1dalea War has never EVER been fun. But I do agree, soldiers dressed better in old days. Now everyone looks like American army except for North Korea and China which still keeps their traditional uniforms

[FrankLakai]

@SMGJohn Respect to the American army who invented the blue color and place it on the army dresses, before the country even was born, when the rest of the world didn´t exist

[SMGJohn]

@FrankLakai American army didn't invent a shit and Blue Colour was invented way before America even existed. And there where other armies before America with blue uniforms

[anonymous133711]

not these pussies

where are the viking guards

[Abbadon380]

they look like WW1 german troops

[Abbadon380]

they look like WW1 german troops in BLUE

[anbr90]

så, vet någon vad som hade hänt, på riktigt, om någon hade sprungit in på torget och ställt till med något. typ knuffat en av soldaterna eller liknande. vad hade hänt om någon sprang in bland dem? (does someone know what would happen if someone where to run into the plaza? just run in there and make a scene. what would the soldiers do? what CAN they do?)

[sperrepolken]

@anbr90

shoot you on the spot.

[ILickGlue]

@anbr90 There are royal guards that are not participating in the ceremony located in the courtyard. The keep an eye on the audience and will interfere with people that are not behaving.

[sabbersolo]

3:15 Can someone please remind me the name of this march?

[bipoe]

@sabbersolo Its the march of the Royal Lifeguard Dragoons, "Dragonerna Komma".

[sabbersolo]

@bipoe Tack! :)

[TrummBandLomm]

And they do this everytime a guard has to go to the toilet...

[breakingbisley]

That is one very smart group of soliders i didnt realise that Swedes still had a Monarch !!!

[MaskinJunior]

@breakingbisley We have constitutional monarchy. Our king is pretty much just a figurehead. He may not express any political views.

[usafisasome]

@breakingbisley Its a Constutiounial Monarchy.Like the UK

[breakingbisley]

@usafisasome Ok thanks guys !!

[LuwiiiMusic]

3:28 *PAUSE* längst till vänster, Kpt Haddock?

[nenithel]

1:24 LOL

[wirman777]

hawe anay one notices that the horse music corp nearly dose and hawe the same things as the german during the ww2 ?

[Arodon3x0]

@wirman777 what you se on the video they have done it for 200 years...

[Summonspaceqex200]

@wirman777 Have you noticed how poorly you spell?

[JustWickedSwede]

Vackert att få se Dalaregementets vapen vajja!

[F03NovaSpark]

At 1:57, what do they call the swords that they carry with them?

[H0llaZ1990]

@F03NovaSpark Bajonett, or it might be a sabel.

[HazMatMedia]

@F03NovaSpark

Those are Mauser rifle bayonets.

[AtrumMixer]

This is beautiful. I wish so that we would treasure our nation our order and our traditions instead of destroying everything to replace it with rootlessness ignorance and anarchism. Its just a matter of time before this disappears for good.

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer waste of taxpayer money if you ask me, those who like silly ceremonies and national dictatorship-romanticism should pay for it themselves. :P

I wish we could have deeper and more meaningful national ideals and symbols if that's what you're looking for.

[AtrumMixer]

Indeed I am looking for things that can unify us.

A royal family is the strongest national symbol a country such as ours can have. They're of historical and cultural importance, not only to Sweden, but also to Europe.

It costs money, yes. But so does immigration. Immigration even cost us thousands of lives, but people arent complaining about that nearly as much as on the Royal family.

If you're looking for money holes there are far better targets to turn your gaze to in this country.

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer Immigration isn't allowed because it's fun you know, it's allowed as a charity to those who flee from war-zones like for example Iraq. If there was no Iraq-war we wouldn't have as many Iraqi immigrants. It is costly short term, but if we look at immigration historically it usually pays off economically in the long run.

[AtrumMixer]

"If there was no Iraq-war we wouldn't have as many Iraqi immigrants"

We already had many Iraqians/Arabs before the wars.

In a world ruled by money that thrive on destruction, do you think for 1 second that an i-country would "care" about people in poor nations without an ulterior motive?

Immigration pays off, when capable immigrants are imported. When foreign low class borderline criminals are imported it ends with disaster. That is the other side of history you are neglecting.

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer low class doesn't equal criminal! O_o

There will be beneficial effects in the long term whether you think they are capable or not, when we talk about a large enough groups of people, statistically enough will be "capable". And again, we allow immigration primarily for humanitarian reasons, not profit. Anyway, as anyone with some education realize the main problem is socio-economic. If people were better integrated and not placed in ghettos there would be far less tension.

[AtrumMixer]

"Low class doesn't equal criminal". Not in the eurocentric point of view. But in many countries abroad.

People, will only be efficient if it stands united. A large intolerant group of people that comes divided from the start? Who recives free wellfare per each child they have (ca 8 per family)

Children who are, despite grown up in Europe, taught not to associate with Europeans? A unification is near impossible.

In order for there to be profit/unification, one people must be erased first

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer The problem today is the government is destroying the welfare state our ancestors fought so hard to created and wich ensures everyone is taken care of and feel included in society. If you care about a united society, that is what you should worry about. The goal of the current government is to create a society where everyone has to fend for themselves and can only hope to rely on their family for support (Night watchman state). That is the opposite of a united people.

[AtrumMixer]

"If people were better integrated and not placed in ghettos there would be far less tension"

That is not the problem. They can live in palaces, and the same results would occur.

The problem is they live isolated together, of their own choise. Because they feel at home that way. Thats very nice for them. But not nice for any of us in the future, when both of our populations have grown and we still are parts of different cultures who can barely stand eachother.

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer "The problem is they live isolated together"

Yes, that's what I was saying (you might have confused the word ghetto with slum?) This is what the mayor of Malmö has been saying for a long time as well, but our government doesn't care. Private religious schools might be a problem as well since they allow people to be brought up completely isolated from the rest of society.

[AtrumMixer]

@otangis

Ghettos, usually end up being called slums due to the quality of the population living there.

My point is a palace would represent the centrum of integration. But integration will not work aslong as they seek to keep their religion and identity intact by grouping up with others from the same culture.

"Private religious schools might be a problem"

A Christian private school in a muslim country will cause problems. A Christian school in a Christian country will not. Its simple.

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer "A Christian school in a Christian country will not"

The problem isn't the religious orientation but rather that children grow up separated from the rest of society. It doesn't matter if it's a christian, muslim or an upper class private school. Private schools doesn't have to be like that but some appear to be constructed with segregation as a primary goal wich is unfortunate. No, I don't think it's simple.

[AtrumMixer]

@otangis I grew up seperated from society along with other children. I never turned into a criminal. I never destroyed things for fun. Maybe because I felt I was not really seperate. I felt like the entire country was my tribe.

Immigrants dont feel that way. To him, his own people is his tribe, and therefor he feels no responsibility for the nation of strangers he's living in. Do you see what I'm getting at? Thats the reason different ethnicities have seperate countries.

[AtrumMixer]

It's not about seperation. Its about identity, genetic survival and pride. This is all very instinctual. Don't forget that humans are animals.

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer Not sure what you mean by "quality of the popultaion living there" but it sounds pretty racist. The reason these areas in Sweden have lower material standard is clearly due to poverty which in turn is due to segregation, etc.

[AtrumMixer]

You think it sounds racist? Would it still sound racist to you if the population of the slum is of the same nationality as the rest of the country? You need some time to wake up and see things for what they are.

I don't want to see the word racist mentioned again.

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer Should I call it prejudice instead? I think it's you who need to wake up, you have an overly simplified view of how society works. There are some individuals who are prone to violence in all groups, if they grow up in a poor segregated area the chance is much larger that they will express that violence. That's why criminality is higher in poor areas. Not an excuse, but an explanation. Most people aren't and won't resort to violence or crime no matter what of course.

[AtrumMixer]

Seeing as I live in the middle of a 80% muslim populated area I would hardly call myself prejudice.

Its everything but simplified. I know how humans work. A typical behavior is to group together with likeminded people. And if we step over eachothers boundries (ex, for a female, which is seen as valued property) we become hostile towards eachother as groups. Can we rule a country together that way in the future when our populations match eachother in numbers? Chances are slim.

[AtrumMixer]

"Most people aren't and won't resort to violence or crime no matter what of course"

That completely depends on what background you have, and what ideals you grew up with.

Is violence justified if its against another religion or ethnicity? Many middle eastern immigrants believe so. While we in the west have been taught not to be "prejudice" or "racist", immigrants have not. And since they live isolated in their own communities, with their own rules, whos going to teach them?

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer "And since they live isolated in their own communities, with their own rules, whos going to teach them?" I think they have eyes and ears. They will learn about Swedish values in school (according to law), from tv, from friends, etc etc. I'm convinced most of them will prefer Swedish peaceful/liberal ideals while still holding on to some of their own traditions of course. I don't understand why you assume the worst?

[AtrumMixer]

@otangis

I assume the worst because I live among them. They have completely different ideas about how to live. And right now we pose a threat to their way of life. We're putting pressure on them that they have never faced before.

Either they close up, or they split up. But radical extremists will always be here from this day.

What I see is extremely dominant men, walking around always making sure their women do not associate with us. Some also enforce sharia in their neighbourhoods.

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer See, now you are generalizing and talking about "them" as a single homogeneous group and you are demonizing that group by assigning them extremist ideas and values. No doubt there are some who oppress their women (just like some Swedes do) and some are religious fundamentalists (like some Swedes) and that's totally unacceptable no matter who it is. But it's not true for the majority of people.

[AtrumMixer]

@otangis

Its very hard to go against family in their culture. And even harder to go against their culture, thanks to the others as a group. You know what happened to Fadime.

They dont give a shit about our "values". They think our values are complete crap.

And I dont blame them. Even I hardly know what our values are anymore.

We're completely segregated between ourselves. While they know exactly who they are and what they want.

Our influence mixed with their intolerance, can be deadly.

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer It's hard to go against family or social norms in any culture. We are not completely segregated between ourselves, although economic differences (class) are growing again which is troubling. I have a pretty good idea about what our values are, and they include helping people in need.

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer What happened to Fadime is horrible. Every politician/policymaker and the mainstream media agree that we need to deal harshly with this kind of "honor culture". But it is only represented by a minority within a minority of immigrants from a certain area. Again you are generalizing and judging everyone because of the actions/values of a few individuals.

[AtrumMixer]

"And again, we allow immigration primarily for humanitarian reasons, not profit."

I've heard that many times, but I really font believe in that anymore. In the name of humanism we are letting them in?

But what about the future? How humanitarian will the future be due to our naive excessive compassion today?

I thought the ultimate goal was to strive for world peace? Not world chaos?

Hasnt history taught us anything about what happens when different cultures come together?

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer "But what about the future? How humanitarian will the future be due to our naive excessive compassion today?"

I don't believe it's excessive. If you see someone who is about to die, isn't it everyones moral obligation to help even if it requires a large effort? I trust our current politicians are greedy enough they won't spend more on immigration than they think they can afford in the long run.

[AtrumMixer]

If I see 1 child who is about to die, then I will of course help. But if there are thousands of children dying, because their parents are incompetent? Then I would simply ignore the children and try to change their parents instead. That way, I've helped all the children plus the children of the future aswell.

If I simply try to take care of all the children (while new children keep piling up) I will soon be overrun by foreign children whom I in actuality have no real responsibility for.

[AtrumMixer]

And if I am overrun by foreign children, children who I cant really take care of anyway. Children who will grow up on wellfare, then pretty soon, I will be bankrupt. And if I go bankrupt, who will help the new wave of children who are dying? Not to mention me? Who will help me when I'm poor? The next rich country?

It all comes down to defeating the SOURCE of problems, before they grow bigger.

Otherwise it will all just be an endless shitstorm of monkey poo flying all over.

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer And what is the SOURCE of the problem, I agree we should deal with that, but that doesn't mean we cant help people who are suffering today.

[AtrumMixer]

The source of the problem is a mix between lack of education, cultural pride/dominance, and male sexual urges. Fact is, the dumber a male is, the more of a threat he becomes to a countrys chances of success.

That's how we men are. Without proper guidelines from early years and up, we become dumb animals beyond saving. And stupid men always seek to dominate others.

So, proper upbringing of children is of extreme importance for a country.

There is the source of the problem.

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer Not sure we agree on what "proper upbringing" is, but I agree that education and a good (safe and loving) upbringing is important.

[AtrumMixer]

@otangis If that was an insinuation that I might be sending my children off to nazi camp every summer, then this conversation is over.

[AtrumMixer]

@otangis "that doesn't mean we cant help people who are suffering today."

Quite right. That is why I am for a responsible immigration, and a real immigration program. Not this crazy mass immigration.

There is a saying. "He who defends everything defends nothing". Do you see the logic in that statement?

Lampedusa is a good example of what is happening in Europe. It is a sort of miniature version of the future.

[AtrumMixer]

@otangis Wait. Let me see if I understood your comment correctly.

You doubt, that there even is any mass immigration, from MENA countries, into Europe?

Then my second question is. How come you're not Googling it then? Wouldn't it be simple to find out that way?

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer Alright, I just did. According to Eurostat there was 859 000 people born outside of EU in Sweden 2010. Most of these from Former Yugoslavia, but also many from Iraq.

[AtrumMixer]

What I meant with "Who will help me?" is "Who will help our citizens?" since eventually the country I live in will be economically drained. But even if thigns go bad and we escape this country and move to the next, the same thing will just repeat itself, since all the European countries are doing the exact same thing.

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer "eventually the country I live in will be economically drained." Proof?

As you might have heard, Denmark isn't doing the same so you can move there (if they let you immigrate ;).

[AtrumMixer]

@otangis Denmark has the exact same mass immigration program. But even if the mass immigration would cease completely by tomorrow, immigrants or "settlers" as they're called now, would still rapidly increase to the second, third and fourth generations. 2nd generations are poorly adapted. Some barely speak the language despite being born in the country, and their chances of finding work to financially pay back the wellfare has become even smaller as their population is growing too fast.

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer some of the second generation have parents who don't speak Swedish very well, the 2nd generation is still better adapted than the first, the third and fourth even more so. they will grow up in Sweden and they will want the same thing as other Swedish youth, that's how humans work. Most people just want to belong and be "normal".

[AtrumMixer]

@otangis I am half Danish already. But even so, Denmark is part of the EU. It's free for all citizens to cross the borders. And it's even easier for scandinavians to switch nations between nordic countries since we're so compatible.

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer Maybe you have heard it many times because it's true?

You haven't shown that it is excessive today. You just claim the future will be horrible and there will be world chaos and what not, but you have no evidence to show for it.

Yes history have shown us what happens: USA is one example, they would never be what they are today if not for immigration. (They have a lot of problems but it's not because different cultures are living together).

[AtrumMixer]

@otangis

Of course, chaos is not 100% certain. True.

But the chance chaos is very big.

I am saying that we are deliberatley importing foreign populations with their own seperate cultural interests, that will cause the rest of Europes populations trouble, sometime in the future.

Its already happening. You can find thousands of clips here on youtube about the problems with the immigration from all over Europe.

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer "that will cause the rest of Europes populations trouble, sometime in the future."

I don't believe we are deliberately importing anyone. As I've said many times, we only allow those who are fleeing for their lives (or from torture, etc, you get the idea) to stay here. Will it cause us problem, yes, a little problem in the short-term, but that is a comparably small sacrifice in order to save many thousand from death and torture.

[AtrumMixer]

@otangis But if they are fleeing for their lives, why do they return to their homecountry for vacation?

"don't believe we are deliberately importing anyone"

Arbetskraftsinvandring talas det om varje dag.

"a little problem in the short-term, but that is a comparably small sacrifice"

Inte om de tar med sig sina problem hit. Small sacrifice. Du måste verkligen undersöka hur pass liten den uppoffringen idag har blivit.

Det låter nästan lite på dig som du tror dom kommer att åka hem igen?

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer "why do they return to their homecountry for vacation?" Jag vet inte varför men många flyktingar är t.ex. från Irak, om de flydde på grund av Saddam är det inte så konstigt om de kan åka tillbaka på semester nu när han är död och Irakkriget är över.

"Arbetskraftsinvandring talas det om varje dag."

Nja, en del av partierna i Alliansen, men de flesta är mot arbetskraftsinvandring eftersom vi bara ska släppa in på grund av humanitära skäl.

[Revildonator]

@otangis Om kriget är över kan de ju rimligtvis åka hem då, eftersom att allt är lugnt hemma. Då det inte längre föreligger någon risk så kan de ju inte rimligtvis inneha flyktingstatus.

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer "You can find thousands of clips here on youtube" Yes, and those clips are generally misleading if not entirely untrue.

Generally these videos show a handful bad guys (who happen to be immigrants) and claim this is common or that all immigrants are like that (unlike Europeans) which obviously is untrue. Youtube videos isn't reality.

Even mainstream media is exaggerating the situation since fear and disaster sells newspapers.

[AtrumMixer]

@otangis

How can a handcam filmed situation be misleading? Were would you get 5 to 10 immigrants willing to pose as violent criminals? These are dangerous situations many of us have faced multiple times already. Many of them end up being filmed.

How can you claim that mainstram media is exaggerating, when the mainstream media does not even report about these racist hatecrimes?!

When you say "media is exaggerating", what are you referring to exactly?

[AtrumMixer]

@otangis

USA? Horrible example for comparison. Since all the migrants in the US were European. And what role would the Europeans, of todays immigration have, when compared to the US immigration? Would we be the native americans? And the arabs of today would be european settlers?

I dont think the native americans were too happy about the situation back then. And still not today.

Anyway, the U.S today, is facing the exact same problem that Europe is facing.

[AtrumMixer]

"There will be beneficial effects in the long term"

Then my question to that is, What sort of beneficial effects are expected in the future from this immigration project, that we couldnt produce ourselves? All the advanced educations lie right here in Europe.

And to import such a culture that easily goes rampant the second economy fails? It goes unsteady because it grows too fast and it can barely support its own growth.

It is in times like that, human lives turn cheap.

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer "Then my question to that is, What sort of beneficial effects are expected in the future from this immigration project, that we couldnt produce ourselves?"

I haven't seen any scientific studies of the subject but I imagine we will get better trade relations with the regions the immigrants come from (for example). And we can already now see an increased availability of new goods. We also get more working people who will pay tax.

[AtrumMixer]

"haven't seen any scientific studies of the subject but I imagine we will get better trade relations"

No way. The only, and I repeat, THE ONLY, language a country needs for good relations, is Money. It all comes down to Money. When it comes to money, religion, culture or race doesnt matter.

I can guarantee you, we are not importing these people just to create good trading relations in the future. Besides, what exactly would their job be, if they are only here to open up trade for us?

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer "we are not importing these people just to create good trading relations in the future." I never said we did, I said we do it for humanitarian reasons. People are fleeing for their lives and so we allow some of them to stay here. I merely speculated on long term beneficial effects. We shouldn't allow more than we can afford to of course. If you worry about who will help you if you become poor you should worry about the current neo-liberal regime instead of immigration.

[AtrumMixer]

@otangis

I and many many more, are under the impression that our governments dont care about human lives. I really wish they did though.

I'm not worried about myself. I am always able to take care of myself in all times.

What I am worried about, is seeing our children at the mercy of rampant men gone animal in tougher times.

"People are fleeing for their lives. we allow some of them to stay here."

Those people go home on vacations after gaining asylym. It sounds beautiful though.

[otangis]

@AtrumMixer Well, since the world changes that's not so strange. I can imagine there are some who had to flee from Iraq once who can return on vacation now when Saddam is gone and with the added protection of being a Swedish citizen. That said, I'm sure it's possible to find some exception where the immigration agency has made a mistake, it's inevitable. You claim this is a major problem though but then there should be a lot of evidence of that, which I haven't seen.

[AtrumMixer]

The new goods you're talking about are not new. They're old, and they have been brought to Europe long before any of us were born.

The thing is, because of our newly imported populations, these goods are now getting more interesting, because the immigrants like them. Once again, its part of culture. Their culture.

That is why its suddenly popular. Thats why its suddenly being imported.

[t1t296]

they are very smart! im glad to be allied to Sweden

[Andrekky]

Very nice, but good god, why does everyone film the orchestra when the flag is being paraded? >_> I mean, that's pretty much the heart of the ceremony, and the band has it's moment of fame before the leaving platoon marches off.

[WindowOnFinland]

Helsinki is in Finland. That is from Sweden.

[Alexander46656]

@WindowOnFinland fixed