Jacky most likely thought that the pass was complete, that Stefan would tuck in behind him and have a go at repassing him on the run up to Les Combe. Sadly, they both slightly misjudged the situation...
curioso é que ickx era o diretor de prova em monaco 84, interrompeu por causa da chuva forte, prost acabou vencendo, mas com metade dos pontos(4,5 ao inves de 9, caso tivesse chegado em 2. lugar e ganho 6 pontos teria sido campeao em 84, pois ele perdeu de 72 a 71,5, e niki lauda ficou com o titulo) caso a corrida terminasse e senna vencesse com prost em 2. o campeonato seria 73 a 72 prost. bellof foi desclassificado
Bellof era um pilotaço, na epoca ainda comentei com um amigo: morreu o stefan errado...claro comentário de mau gosto, eu me referia a stefan johansson , que foi um piloto mediocre. Bellof era o grande piloto alemão, não fosse a tragédia, ele teria rivalizado com Senna em muitas corridas, pois assim como o brasileiro ele arriscava muito.
To me Bellof is guilty of his death. J.X overtake him before l'O Rouge, so: why Bellof following him and (if my impression is correct), touch on the back the J.X car?. J.X was in his fast lap, and him risk to die for the stupidity of Bellof. When someone die, is bad say what i say, but that's the true.
@HomoEconomicusX It's not liking the death, it's like him and what he did. Videos like this can have different meanings in dislike and like as it becomes a question of relative opinion.
You're looking at the wrong car. The driver (Ickx) gets out of the car after the crash, yes, but the camera wasn't in the car of the driver who died in the crash.
Bellof was in the other car, the car that can be seen in front, after Ickx' car has come to a halt.
@superdooperroofer I don't get why you would post that. It's quite obvious the Porsche is a purpose-built race car, which can't be said of the Zonda or the Ferrari, and the SR8 does not have the power of the Porsche, so of course the fastest lap would come from the race car in the group.
BTW, how far ahead of his competitors was Bellof in qualifying? Was he a minute ahead of 2nd place, or was it a few tenths or a couple of seconds? I never understood why people hail his lap time so much.
@UltimateWheelman 5 seconds to 2nd, 20 sec to 3rd, 28 sec to 4th. all porsche 956. but bellof was in a 1982 956 with a heavy cam in it. Ickx was in a 1983 956...impressive right? i mean it's the fastest lap EVER and that's a reason to "hail" it...
Excelente vídeo cechinel31 apesar de triste. Vale lembrar que no ano anterior o Bellof deu um show na pista de Mônaco debaixo de um verdadeiro dilúvio com uma Tyrrel limitadíssima terminando o GP em 3o atrás de Prost com Mclaren e Senna com a carroça da Toleman (este não preciso nem falar, foi roubado descaradamente pela direção de prova porque o Prost sempre foi um cagão e sempre teve "medo de água"). Se vivo fosse ele seria campeão na F-1.
@brunoctere Bellof era excelente na chuva. Acredito que, se o GP de Mônaco 1984 continuasse, ele seria o vencedor. Mas sua atuação naquele GP foi ofuscada pela brilhante atuação de Ayrton Senna, o melhor de todos, inclusive na chuva.
woodymcruk, i agree! what a senseless death. why race thru one of the most intrepid corners in all motorsports. Can't tell if both cars were even, but if Bellof was past by Ickys he could have easily repast him back on the kimmel strait after eau rouge. stubborn or not, must've been some on track feud between the two.
@madtoytle HI! that was nodoubt a big mistake for a pro driver.
If memory serves there were several laps still to go and apparently Bellof charged
Ickx in the most dangerous curve to remark his personal supremacy as he was the rising star in F1,almost to jeopardize his opponent. As you correctly say,a long straight was there after the esses...and that was not a GP but a long term race.This fact was softly pointed out in those days as well.
still think ickx ,would have been aware of him on left side,he just didnt give the room as they were both fighting for 1st and 2nd place,any one know if bellofs nurbergring record still stands?(6.11),maybe im wrong but bellof was very stuborn and jacky was determined to stay in 1st place
Stefan Bellof drove in 1983 a c-porsche at Nordschlife (i think) the time was 6.11. But the FXX hasn't ever ben driven by any one under 6minutes on Nordshlife. Last year they sat a recorde with the Fxx at 6.58. And last weak the Pagani Zonda R broke the Fxx recorde by 9 seconds (6.47)
@woodymcruk Well its easy to say ickx should see him on the left but he doesnt have to give stefan any room because the truth is you cant go through Eau rouge side by side its just not designed to hold two cars going through it, it's not Jacky ickz fault.
Ele tinha o perfil de um bom piloto na F1...vi em alguns vídeos...da década de 80 onde ele tem um desempenho na chuva semelhante a Ayrton Senna, tinha boas chances de competir ao título da F1...nos anos posteriores...a 85...
terrible tragedy- Spa claims another life. What a legendary track with a reputation for death & carnage.Four little words struck fear in the hearts of drivers... "Spa in the rain".
At 24 seconds your see Bellof hitting the wall head on. I wonder whose corner was it. Surely u would back off at bottom of Eau Rouge. Its single file folks. Its a fast corner.
Stefan Bellof era la gran promesa de ser el futuro gran rival de Ayrton Senna, hizo una gran carrera en Mónaco '84, al igual que el brasileño, pero fue penalizado. Un año más tarde muere...
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That's not correct. Bellof was driving way faster than Ickx. The car in the beginning of the video doesn't show Bellof it is someone else to be laped. When Ickx went to the left Bellof was already half way beside him, Ickx just pushed him off the track, later claiming he didn't see him. For sure, since he has been blocking for several rounds already. Bellof didn't have any space left to go. Anyway that's racing, it was an accident! Noone wins a race if he wouldn't try like any of these two.
I'm disgusted that the Porsche Bellof was driving deformed in the way it did. Under no circumstances would any front axle be allowed to thrust upwards and back towards the driver's head like that. No wonder he died
Bellof, sorry, but in that circostance driving like a very inconscent. J.Icx impost whit a perfect line the 'O Rouge. Bellof, tuch him on back. The tragedy consequence, are imputable only Bellof absourd driving. That's all.
I'm sure if they had paid more attention to the fact that the front axle beam on his car decapitates when struck by a sudden load, he would have lived.
i think it was stefan´s fault because ickx had already overtaken him but you cant really blame stefan since he was a driver and as a driver his instinct was to defend his position. atleast we know that nobody will ever try to overtake in eau-rouge again. rip
i wasnt born when this happened. how was bellof killed? was it the impact or the fire that ensued. tis a shame when the greats of a sport die before their time but thats the risk every driver is willing to take when he races. rip stefan
@Grebennikova No its not something you try with machines like this. Lewis Hamilton has the only successful overtake around the outside of Eau rouge that ive seen but he was in a formula 3 at the time. With Machines like this there is too much at stake.
@puddingpants7 I tend to agree, even though Felipe Massa overtook Juan Pablo Montoya 2004 in Eau rouge. But regardless of that, Stefan's manouvre was nothing but suicidal. And everyone trying to blame Jacky Ickx for having deliberately risked this collision should explain how the hell Jacky could have known in advance that such a crash would only kill Stefan. The crash could as well have turned out different, killing Jacky instead of Stefan or both of them.
then the drivers dont have time to look in their wing mirrors they rely on the other driver to have plenty of space. this was totally bellofs fault it is an insult to call yourself a racing fan if you think otherwise and youd be jumping on the we waz robed bandwagon weve lost a special talent. its not really to arrogance its more competitiveness but put an experienced driver in and they know long before when to give it up. ickx was hugely experienced in those types of cars. maybe bellof was
my opinion: experienced, older and more wise person ickx, who probably knew himself when he was younger, and himself drove more dangerous, should have understood that the cockiness of youth is no attack on special persons. it's just the way you act when u got energy and less experience. and if you take youself in the other mans position you could let him place to survive, but egoistic idiot ickx didn't let him survive...
I think that's a bit harsh on Ickx, he's a lovely chap and a fine driver, one of the best. He jumps straight out of the car and straight down to Bellof's.
Group C Drivers were heroes, some had to die, some nut...
t's a shame he couldn't show all his gift, tragic!
he was young and gutty, like many men in their youth, maybe Group c wasn't the place young driver should drive for...
and old, (wise??!) and experienced driver like ickx should have known better in lettin him place to survive, cause he maybe knew himself in his younger years, driving more dangerous and so on....
nah man look at 1:29 at his car. its total damaged. i dunno he crashed with 210km/h or something and in thsese days savety wasn soo great as it is today...
If you take a closer look, you´ll see, that Icks is driving to the right side of the lane before the Eau Rouge corner. That´s not the racing line and because of that Bellof thought, that Ickxs is going to let him by. That was a pure racing accident which ended in a tragedy.
I was clear Icks was in the lead as in his way ahead of bellof, sure he wasnt in the right line, but Bellof should have let Ickxs in when he tried to get into the proper line.
...its just standard motorsports practice
Lets put it this way, where would you have expected Ickxs to go? It was Bellofs own fault. Face it
it cant be a standard motorsports practice if they dont even do it in NASCAR. If someone falls out of the racing line they fight their way back into it or find another groove to race in if there is another one. Than again NASCAR is usually just oval racing so idrk :p
yeah nascar has a totally different idea of the racing line to L R cornering circuits, a nascar driver knows if he stays were he is three abreast give or take a foot due to it being tight or loose then the others wont have reason to correct position. however only 1 car can realistic go through a corner on the unwritten rule is yield if the overtaking driver has a little or all of the rear tyre up to the very front of the car behind. a corner like this 140-145 back in the day in those types of ca
Was Bellof exclusively in sports cars in 85 or doing both F1 and Sportscars? Brundle went to Sportscars when he couldnt get an F1 drive in 88. What was Bellof's story in 85?
They are "worshiped" because of their bravery and skill, not unlike other athletes. There are all sorts of dangerous sports out there (granted, racing is one of the more dangerous). People die boxing, playing football, etc, I suppose they are "asking for it" as well?
@borde049 Not necessarily "asking for it", but I know what you mean, they kinda like have a cavalier attitude towards life, as in "oh if it happens right now, there's nothing I could do bout it anyways, so let it happen. at least I'll die doing my favourite kind of thing", yeah.
If they want nothing to do with danger why do they drive on public roads - they know the risks and are "asking for it" as much as any racing driver. Even more so as they have no driving skills to justify taking the risk.
im amazed how destroyed the car gets, you see a lot of these group c cars crashing at e.g. lemans and they look ok but here with a comparitavely low speed hit it was totally decimated, i presume his injuries came from the hit being straight into the barrier rather than at an angle?
there were many causes for this outgoing. Firstly Stefan drove the very unsafe 956, note the safer 962C. Then the impact occured at nearly 200kph. Not the best speed to crash. But the main cause of the fatal injuries were the concrerte fundaments of the tribune which stood only 20cm behind the guardrail.
my god...his car was totaly fucked up...i wouldn't want to see how he was in there...that was one of the main reasons they baned those cars from racing. they were too fast to be safe in any way. RIP Stefan.
Most of great past drivers died because fucking directors of race had shit protections on cars and on tracks. Now, I think that is good to slow the cars with limited things to be more secure. Not to slow down them but make them go slower.
eau rouge really is a tricky corner... i have seen a lot of crashes myself there. full speed corner with lots of bumps. when you crash here you really have a 100% chance of being heavely injured or death.
Parabéns pelo seu aniversário Stefan Bellof!!! Hoje é 20-11-2011!!!
pauloararaquara 2 months ago
Jacky most likely thought that the pass was complete, that Stefan would tuck in behind him and have a go at repassing him on the run up to Les Combe. Sadly, they both slightly misjudged the situation...
azapro911 2 months ago
:/ pais um triste caso
Leoxrr8 5 months ago
curioso é que ickx era o diretor de prova em monaco 84, interrompeu por causa da chuva forte, prost acabou vencendo, mas com metade dos pontos(4,5 ao inves de 9, caso tivesse chegado em 2. lugar e ganho 6 pontos teria sido campeao em 84, pois ele perdeu de 72 a 71,5, e niki lauda ficou com o titulo) caso a corrida terminasse e senna vencesse com prost em 2. o campeonato seria 73 a 72 prost. bellof foi desclassificado
onofreh 6 months ago
rip mecier belloff
MrDacioss 6 months ago
i know its not the respectful thing to say but where is his body
warholatyler 7 months ago
Rothman is a killer
view1983 7 months ago
Bellof era um pilotaço, na epoca ainda comentei com um amigo: morreu o stefan errado...claro comentário de mau gosto, eu me referia a stefan johansson , que foi um piloto mediocre. Bellof era o grande piloto alemão, não fosse a tragédia, ele teria rivalizado com Senna em muitas corridas, pois assim como o brasileiro ele arriscava muito.
augustodriver 7 months ago
not many people notice it, but that red mazda pickup at 1:01 is still in service today at the track lol
DVGTS1 8 months ago
Its really sad he lived the crash but died slowly of choking in the smoke RIP.Bellof
fgtxpaco7458ss 9 months ago
@fgtxpaco7458ss
he died instantly.
the footage from inside of the car, is not Bellof's car, That is Ickx's car. Ickx got out of the car.
Ballof's car is seen from the camera inside of Ickx's car, at :30
BluntAnim 6 months ago
To me Bellof is guilty of his death. J.X overtake him before l'O Rouge, so: why Bellof following him and (if my impression is correct), touch on the back the J.X car?. J.X was in his fast lap, and him risk to die for the stupidity of Bellof. When someone die, is bad say what i say, but that's the true.
BRUCEFOREVER1 9 months ago
why do 114 people find it good, when someone past away?
HomoEconomicusX 11 months ago
@HomoEconomicusX It's not liking the death, it's like him and what he did. Videos like this can have different meanings in dislike and like as it becomes a question of relative opinion.
matty2k001 9 months ago
why do 114 people find it good, when someone die?
HomoEconomicusX 11 months ago
@xXPaRaDoXiCXx and villenueve
Glibzer 11 months ago
He definitely wouldve won the World Championship.
MonacoLager1 1 year ago
He is on a better place now. Probably racing with Ayrton Senna or Jim Clark.
R.I.P Bellof
xXPaRaDoXiCXx 1 year ago 10
i think at 0:21 u can hear the impact of bellof's car
izidor 1 year ago
i cant understand
after collision , he opened the doors
so shat happend that he couldnt escape totally. ?
i am so sad that world lost so great racer
Turboo911 1 year ago
@Turboo911
You're looking at the wrong car. The driver (Ickx) gets out of the car after the crash, yes, but the camera wasn't in the car of the driver who died in the crash.
Bellof was in the other car, the car that can be seen in front, after Ickx' car has come to a halt.
Y00p 1 year ago
R.I.P.
SAU4625 1 year ago
Lite kul med den svenska textningen.
robertjansson72 1 year ago
Schlimm, schlimm!
Wenn Vettel nicht bald Autofahren lernt, wird er leider auch nicht alt!
freakyfrank64 1 year ago
oh cool, it's that porsche in forza 3 :P
Superchickenman159 1 year ago
Fastest production car: Radical SR8 LM 6:48
Fastest Road Legal car: Pagani Zonda R 6:47.5
Fastest EVER lap: Porsche 956 6:11.13 by the legend Stefan Bellof
Ferrari 599xx: 6:58.16
superdooperroofer 1 year ago 18
@superdooperroofer I don't get why you would post that. It's quite obvious the Porsche is a purpose-built race car, which can't be said of the Zonda or the Ferrari, and the SR8 does not have the power of the Porsche, so of course the fastest lap would come from the race car in the group.
BTW, how far ahead of his competitors was Bellof in qualifying? Was he a minute ahead of 2nd place, or was it a few tenths or a couple of seconds? I never understood why people hail his lap time so much.
UltimateWheelman 1 year ago
@UltimateWheelman 5 seconds to 2nd, 20 sec to 3rd, 28 sec to 4th. all porsche 956. but bellof was in a 1982 956 with a heavy cam in it. Ickx was in a 1983 956...impressive right? i mean it's the fastest lap EVER and that's a reason to "hail" it...
Morthelion 1 year ago
@superdooperroofer
Actually the Zonda R isn't completly Road legal...
The car is louder than a sound maximum so you might drive the car if it wouldn't be so "loud" but let's say if it wouldn't sing that much
Saguru17 7 months ago
@Saguru17
isn't completely road legal? It's NOT road legal in any way shape or form and it's not just because it's loud.
MrPlagues 4 months ago
Excelente vídeo cechinel31 apesar de triste. Vale lembrar que no ano anterior o Bellof deu um show na pista de Mônaco debaixo de um verdadeiro dilúvio com uma Tyrrel limitadíssima terminando o GP em 3o atrás de Prost com Mclaren e Senna com a carroça da Toleman (este não preciso nem falar, foi roubado descaradamente pela direção de prova porque o Prost sempre foi um cagão e sempre teve "medo de água"). Se vivo fosse ele seria campeão na F-1.
brunoctere 1 year ago
@brunoctere Bellof era excelente na chuva. Acredito que, se o GP de Mônaco 1984 continuasse, ele seria o vencedor. Mas sua atuação naquele GP foi ofuscada pela brilhante atuação de Ayrton Senna, o melhor de todos, inclusive na chuva.
cechinel31 1 year ago
Jacky Icks co drove with Allan Moffat to win the greatest race in Australian history, Bathurst, James Hardy 1000 at Mt Panarama. Ford 1/2. 1977.
SPOOKSTR 1 year ago
from what he died? he was still alive after the crash
christosGTAIV 1 year ago
woodymcruk, i agree! what a senseless death. why race thru one of the most intrepid corners in all motorsports. Can't tell if both cars were even, but if Bellof was past by Ickys he could have easily repast him back on the kimmel strait after eau rouge. stubborn or not, must've been some on track feud between the two.
madtoytle 1 year ago
@madtoytle the dead of one of the biggest!!
KTMxtremeSTUNTS 1 year ago
@madtoytle HI! that was nodoubt a big mistake for a pro driver.
If memory serves there were several laps still to go and apparently Bellof charged
Ickx in the most dangerous curve to remark his personal supremacy as he was the rising star in F1,almost to jeopardize his opponent. As you correctly say,a long straight was there after the esses...and that was not a GP but a long term race.This fact was softly pointed out in those days as well.
He payd the highest price for his showing off.
indigoblue555 1 year ago
Porsche 917?
russotragik 1 year ago
still think ickx ,would have been aware of him on left side,he just didnt give the room as they were both fighting for 1st and 2nd place,any one know if bellofs nurbergring record still stands?(6.11),maybe im wrong but bellof was very stuborn and jacky was determined to stay in 1st place
woodymcruk 1 year ago
@woodymcruk
official record: yes
unofficial record: no
i believe the ferrari fxx did the nordschleife in under 6 minutes
superd00d89 1 year ago
@superd00d89
no, the FXX did it in 6,47. The pagani Zonda R is the fastes "almost" leagel road car...
Knape2 1 year ago
@superd00d89
Stefan Bellof drove in 1983 a c-porsche at Nordschlife (i think) the time was 6.11. But the FXX hasn't ever ben driven by any one under 6minutes on Nordshlife. Last year they sat a recorde with the Fxx at 6.58. And last weak the Pagani Zonda R broke the Fxx recorde by 9 seconds (6.47)
Knape2 1 year ago
@woodymcruk Well its easy to say ickx should see him on the left but he doesnt have to give stefan any room because the truth is you cant go through Eau rouge side by side its just not designed to hold two cars going through it, it's not Jacky ickz fault.
puddingpants7 1 year ago
la cago e l chassis se doblo en un pesimo lugar que mal
rallyswiftgti 1 year ago
Está muerto ?
nikiwolff 1 year ago
In english please!
mathias921 1 year ago
really?
pauldmcder 1 year ago
Ele tinha o perfil de um bom piloto na F1...vi em alguns vídeos...da década de 80 onde ele tem um desempenho na chuva semelhante a Ayrton Senna, tinha boas chances de competir ao título da F1...nos anos posteriores...a 85...
brunoac2009 1 year ago
morreu é o cara q foi ultrapassado e o cara da camera onboard sobreviveu?
VMBxCrazy 1 year ago
Sim, o piloto do carro com a câmera onboard sobreviveu.
cechinel31 1 year ago
Manobra idiota. Depois dessa curva tem 2 km de reta pra passar. O cretino quis forçar ali. Morreu pela burrice.
Kw12345ff 2 years ago
terrible tragedy- Spa claims another life. What a legendary track with a reputation for death & carnage.Four little words struck fear in the hearts of drivers... "Spa in the rain".
Panzer928 2 years ago
At 24 seconds your see Bellof hitting the wall head on. I wonder whose corner was it. Surely u would back off at bottom of Eau Rouge. Its single file folks. Its a fast corner.
newromantic888 2 years ago 3
Is there better footage of this? Like footage of the Porsche hitting the wall?
R.I.P
snayil 2 years ago
so there is no there cam footage of this or what
nahumsayin 2 years ago
Fatal = quando causa a morte. E ele morreu? =O
Gabriiel94 2 years ago
Sim, Stefan Bellof não resistiu aos ferimentos e morreu 50 minutos após o acidente.
cechinel31 2 years ago
Que ruim! =(
Gabriiel94 2 years ago
Stefan Bellof era la gran promesa de ser el futuro gran rival de Ayrton Senna, hizo una gran carrera en Mónaco '84, al igual que el brasileño, pero fue penalizado. Un año más tarde muere...
R.I.P Bellof
WatanukiF1 2 years ago
Overtaking at Eau Rouge is impossible. I wonder why he tried anyway, because he was an experienced driver, though...RIP
MrNightmareOnTime 2 years ago
Hm, never seen F1 Cars like these before...
TheNickelchen 2 years ago
That´s because those aren't F1 cars, Bellof was killed at the 1985 1000 km of Spa sports car race.
grtorrest 2 years ago 3
Do you know how he died like I mean did he break his neck or internal bleeding or what
DPat6590 2 years ago
His car was actually the Porsche 962, famous racing car, propably world's best ;)
ManTaQue 2 years ago
no it wasn´t, Bellof was driving the earlier 956 model starting for the Brun privateer team, while Ickx was driving it´s successor, the 962C.
BMWizardofOz 2 years ago
overtake icks in eau rouge inhis land .......that was a wrong move ......rip
rdtli 2 years ago
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Waitingforriki 2 years ago
is there a video thats not in car view?
snayil 2 years ago
was a mistake Bellof
M4luS 2 years ago
That's not correct. Bellof was driving way faster than Ickx. The car in the beginning of the video doesn't show Bellof it is someone else to be laped. When Ickx went to the left Bellof was already half way beside him, Ickx just pushed him off the track, later claiming he didn't see him. For sure, since he has been blocking for several rounds already. Bellof didn't have any space left to go. Anyway that's racing, it was an accident! Noone wins a race if he wouldn't try like any of these two.
Maidi76 2 years ago
Sorry for all of you. I have co-driven with Derek Bell, and driven Spa many times.
The team managere allowed Bellof to continue smashing the lap record lap after lap- thus pushing on his demise.
This was an endurance race, not an F-1 race.
But, alas, I am an old man.
Bigknoxguy 2 years ago
I'm disgusted that the Porsche Bellof was driving deformed in the way it did. Under no circumstances would any front axle be allowed to thrust upwards and back towards the driver's head like that. No wonder he died
deeb1978 2 years ago
Bellof, sorry, but in that circostance driving like a very inconscent. J.Icx impost whit a perfect line the 'O Rouge. Bellof, tuch him on back. The tragedy consequence, are imputable only Bellof absourd driving. That's all.
WHITEORSE 2 years ago
I'm sure if they had paid more attention to the fact that the front axle beam on his car decapitates when struck by a sudden load, he would have lived.
Never mind, eh!
deeb1978 2 years ago
i think it was stefan´s fault because ickx had already overtaken him but you cant really blame stefan since he was a driver and as a driver his instinct was to defend his position. atleast we know that nobody will ever try to overtake in eau-rouge again. rip
TheF1PinkVoltaDream 2 years ago
i wasnt born when this happened. how was bellof killed? was it the impact or the fire that ensued. tis a shame when the greats of a sport die before their time but thats the risk every driver is willing to take when he races. rip stefan
newzealandkiwi2009 2 years ago
Do people routinely go for an overtake around the outside of a top driver at eau rouge ? seems a bit mad to try it ?
Clearly a very fast driver, and maybe his foolishness made gave him that last bit of speed ?
Grebennikova 2 years ago
@Grebennikova No its not something you try with machines like this. Lewis Hamilton has the only successful overtake around the outside of Eau rouge that ive seen but he was in a formula 3 at the time. With Machines like this there is too much at stake.
puddingpants7 1 year ago
@puddingpants7 I tend to agree, even though Felipe Massa overtook Juan Pablo Montoya 2004 in Eau rouge. But regardless of that, Stefan's manouvre was nothing but suicidal. And everyone trying to blame Jacky Ickx for having deliberately risked this collision should explain how the hell Jacky could have known in advance that such a crash would only kill Stefan. The crash could as well have turned out different, killing Jacky instead of Stefan or both of them.
TheColinChapman 1 year ago
wow, that car was folded in half!! RIP.......
SwanKong11 2 years ago
what i think is the worst crash of them all next to greg moore. R.I.P...
mosportkarting6 2 years ago
So the war continues even today
KHARN1488 2 years ago
then the drivers dont have time to look in their wing mirrors they rely on the other driver to have plenty of space. this was totally bellofs fault it is an insult to call yourself a racing fan if you think otherwise and youd be jumping on the we waz robed bandwagon weve lost a special talent. its not really to arrogance its more competitiveness but put an experienced driver in and they know long before when to give it up. ickx was hugely experienced in those types of cars. maybe bellof was
NewYankee01 2 years ago
Group drivers were heroes - some died!
my opinion: experienced, older and more wise person ickx, who probably knew himself when he was younger, and himself drove more dangerous, should have understood that the cockiness of youth is no attack on special persons. it's just the way you act when u got energy and less experience. and if you take youself in the other mans position you could let him place to survive, but egoistic idiot ickx didn't let him survive...
Stefan - unforgotten HERO!!
TheBoilermakr 2 years ago
I think that's a bit harsh on Ickx, he's a lovely chap and a fine driver, one of the best. He jumps straight out of the car and straight down to Bellof's.
Grebennikova 2 years ago 2
Group C Drivers were heroes, some had to die, some nut...
t's a shame he couldn't show all his gift, tragic!
he was young and gutty, like many men in their youth, maybe Group c wasn't the place young driver should drive for...
and old, (wise??!) and experienced driver like ickx should have known better in lettin him place to survive, cause he maybe knew himself in his younger years, driving more dangerous and so on....
nevertheless Bellof had his own part in it...
Stefan - unforgotten Hero!!!
TheBoilermakr 2 years ago
how did he die?? cus he was moving around in the car after the crash
WillHapgood2 2 years ago
nah man look at 1:29 at his car. its total damaged. i dunno he crashed with 210km/h or something and in thsese days savety wasn soo great as it is today...
thepainbob666 2 years ago
the guy moving is jacky ickxx stefan was in another car
omosupra123 2 years ago
I still cant get over the remains of Bellof's car. that was horrible to see the car basically folded in half.
red03mitsu 2 years ago
at thsi time you CANT drive through the eau rouge with two cars ....
RIP STEFAN
BrotherHarley79 2 years ago
oh my god look at his car!
deadheat007 2 years ago
Stefan would of been a star in F1, remember the 1984 Monaco GP
dazcouz 2 years ago 30
@dazcouz if he would have lived that day, the germains wouldnt even know that 2cnd germain driver, schum-barf!
Think about him on sept the 1th, 25 years is a long time but not forgotten
Ivory1975 1 year ago
looks like it was his own fault
810Z 2 years ago
If you take a closer look, you´ll see, that Icks is driving to the right side of the lane before the Eau Rouge corner. That´s not the racing line and because of that Bellof thought, that Ickxs is going to let him by. That was a pure racing accident which ended in a tragedy.
Helldriver7839782389 2 years ago 3
I was clear Icks was in the lead as in his way ahead of bellof, sure he wasnt in the right line, but Bellof should have let Ickxs in when he tried to get into the proper line.
...its just standard motorsports practice
Lets put it this way, where would you have expected Ickxs to go? It was Bellofs own fault. Face it
lerlo 2 years ago
it cant be a standard motorsports practice if they dont even do it in NASCAR. If someone falls out of the racing line they fight their way back into it or find another groove to race in if there is another one. Than again NASCAR is usually just oval racing so idrk :p
RZTroiano 2 years ago
yeah nascar has a totally different idea of the racing line to L R cornering circuits, a nascar driver knows if he stays were he is three abreast give or take a foot due to it being tight or loose then the others wont have reason to correct position. however only 1 car can realistic go through a corner on the unwritten rule is yield if the overtaking driver has a little or all of the rear tyre up to the very front of the car behind. a corner like this 140-145 back in the day in those types of ca
NewYankee01 2 years ago
He got too high speed entering the turn.
After the car goes oversteer you're already dead at this speed.
Tobiash87 2 years ago
Bellof tapped the ass end of Ickx's car. Took them both out.
pressrolls 2 years ago
His car didnt oversteer. Please. Bellof didnt give in
lerlo 2 years ago
my god, Bellof was smased himself on that car.
sixtolojunior 2 years ago
Yes. The on board camera is in Jacky Ickx car.
Sim. A câmera on board estava no caro de Jacky Ickx.
cechinel31 2 years ago
beloff was in the other car,right??
vladburjassot 2 years ago
Bellof´s position of the right passing was absolutley wrong!
SVRotationHalle 2 years ago
unfortunately you could tell this was a fatal accident for bellof. the car was just a mess (._.) .
jraybay 3 years ago
Was Bellof exclusively in sports cars in 85 or doing both F1 and Sportscars? Brundle went to Sportscars when he couldnt get an F1 drive in 88. What was Bellof's story in 85?
Brainman94 3 years ago
He did both endurance and F1(in the Tyrell team) this year.
GreyBull88 2 years ago
No crash barriers, no tires, and these cars were notorious for having no protection for drivers in front....shame
Jelsick 3 years ago 3
THink of all the thousands of people that die in car accidents every year on public roads that want nothing to do with danger, speed.
These athletes that are literally "asking for it" that crash, and sometimes die, get worshiped like Gods.....
TruthDigger35 3 years ago
They are "worshiped" because of their bravery and skill, not unlike other athletes. There are all sorts of dangerous sports out there (granted, racing is one of the more dangerous). People die boxing, playing football, etc, I suppose they are "asking for it" as well?
borde049 3 years ago 14
@borde049 Not necessarily "asking for it", but I know what you mean, they kinda like have a cavalier attitude towards life, as in "oh if it happens right now, there's nothing I could do bout it anyways, so let it happen. at least I'll die doing my favourite kind of thing", yeah.
WhenWorldsCollide91 1 year ago
TruthDigger35:
speaking of digging, dig yourself a big hole n jump in. We'll send u off with a bang.
fabinharaujo 3 years ago
Losers like you have nothing better to do in their miserable life than envy whoever deserve their fame for pushing human limits ?
mm852147 3 years ago 2
If they want nothing to do with danger why do they drive on public roads - they know the risks and are "asking for it" as much as any racing driver. Even more so as they have no driving skills to justify taking the risk.
You IDIOT!
Brainman94 3 years ago 3
I can only assume that you've never raced..........
Opinions differ - but if no-one ever strove to be the best, then we'd still be living in caves. :-)
Factnotfictionpeople 2 years ago 3
im amazed how destroyed the car gets, you see a lot of these group c cars crashing at e.g. lemans and they look ok but here with a comparitavely low speed hit it was totally decimated, i presume his injuries came from the hit being straight into the barrier rather than at an angle?
shazmeister2005 3 years ago
there were many causes for this outgoing. Firstly Stefan drove the very unsafe 956, note the safer 962C. Then the impact occured at nearly 200kph. Not the best speed to crash. But the main cause of the fatal injuries were the concrerte fundaments of the tribune which stood only 20cm behind the guardrail.
DARTCG 3 years ago
0:20. is the scariest thing ive ever seen. right when the wheel goes limp.
nIkbot4000 3 years ago
Sir Jack Ickx:
Senna & Bellof loves you!
Sua sorte, é que vais para o INFERNO!
Conanbr 3 years ago
my god...his car was totaly fucked up...i wouldn't want to see how he was in there...that was one of the main reasons they baned those cars from racing. they were too fast to be safe in any way. RIP Stefan.
xXturbo86Xx 3 years ago
Most of great past drivers died because fucking directors of race had shit protections on cars and on tracks. Now, I think that is good to slow the cars with limited things to be more secure. Not to slow down them but make them go slower.
DeScRuN 3 years ago
Sorry, everyone; these comments were posted as "replies" but the site doesn't seem to be working tonight. :-(
nutty1957 3 years ago
i think rothmans is cursed.
omg i am the second to notice it !!!
dammit !!!
dj7oya 3 years ago
Bellof was signed to the Rothmans team, but entered Spa in the privateer Brun outfit. The Rothmans you see here is the one of Ickx.
frontdebeouf 3 years ago
that was his car the one folded up like the cardboard?? :\
jraybay 3 years ago
Yes. The camera on board is of the car of Jack Icxk. The car that is towed was of Stefan Bellof.
Sim. A câmera on board é do carro de Jack Icxk. O carro que é guinchado era o de Stefan Bellof.
cechinel31 3 years ago
Bellof's 956 looked like it was made of tin foil, it folded too easily. It was a tragic loss and probably avoidable with better crash safety.
3000ST1 3 years ago 2
someone explain...
did he died?? he just lost the control of the car and crashed the wall, but he went away from the car???
what did happen??? something killed him later??
keimigoto 3 years ago
He died 50 minutes later in the hospital due to the wounds caused in the impact against the wall.
Ele morreu 50 minutos depois no hospital devido aos ferimentos causados no impacto contra o muro.
cechinel31 3 years ago
there are two cars. The dead body is not in the car where is the cam...
gjm79 3 years ago 3
RIP Stefan
BobbyBrown57 3 years ago
R.I.P.
gunner9878 3 years ago 2
One of the Best Drivers Of all Times!
Ein SuperRennFahrer!
Tonewheeldude 3 years ago 2
ROTHMANS Damnit. Rothman's = Death.
alexbiker185 3 years ago
Oh dear...
nutty1957 3 years ago
Bellof was not driving a Rothmans Porsche. Get your facts straight before posting infantile comments.
nutty1957 3 years ago 3
Stefan, you was the best! We thinking on you!
R.I.P
oosappyoo 3 years ago 4
stefan you are the best! we thinking of you.. R.I.P
schmui youre fat mother is lol!
oosappyoo 3 years ago 3
i think he could be a greatest driwer in motorsport history,
andriusssska 3 years ago 2
Don't get carried away...
nutty1957 3 years ago
I think you're getting a little carried away...
nutty1957 3 years ago
lol
schumi0001020304 3 years ago
but he come out of the car¡¡
unimogTAG 3 years ago
I think this is from Car Wars Volume 1
WSBT960 3 years ago
he is deat
andimeku2304 3 years ago
eau rouge really is a tricky corner... i have seen a lot of crashes myself there. full speed corner with lots of bumps. when you crash here you really have a 100% chance of being heavely injured or death.
08376 3 years ago
simplesmente o melhor!
PinhaShaka 3 years ago
Genre Documentary acceptable limit. Be as brief as possible, please.
Latitude4850Nord 4 years ago
never seen this footage before. Thanks for posting.
futuris81 4 years ago