Is it not the case that the u.s.a ,along with most democratic countries ,has a very high divorce rate with second or third marriages being quite common it is also my understanding that the u.s has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the western world.This despite the fact that in a country in which the majority claim to be biblical christians divorce is ,unlike homosexuality,specifically forbidden by christ.There are so many other things in the bible that people conveniently ignore. hypocrasy.
I've known many couples who are heterosexual and one or both have HIV others who have AIDS. Was it that they weren't monogamous? Was it because they were inherently promiscuous? What we who are Christian ought do is offer our compassion to anyone who lives with HIV/AIDS, just as we should those who believe it is their place to judge others.
What the heck is wrong with this guy? Does he have any self control? And If he and the other guy could so swiftly change their allegiances from family to each other, maybe Gary cheated on him after all.
@TheOoshed There is nothing wrong with this guy. It seems he was obviously brainwashed by the church, what he thought to be his friends and family and he was forced into this marriage and family. He finally realized he wasn't happy and left to be with his real love. Would you rather be married to someone who kept quiet and "pretended" to love you? Or let that person go? I also don't think it is a matter of Gary cheating on him. I think that is not the point of the matter.
@TheOoshed I think you may have missed the point. He never was straight, he was lying to himself, he even states it along those lines. He always was gay and realised when he met the person who was right for him, that is not to say he did not love his wife but there is a big difference between loving someone and being in love with them. To be fair life is too short, do what makes you happy and fuck everyone else.
straight people fall into their old ways as well. The Bible says he(she) that endureth to the end shall be saved. P.S. If they stayed with their wives and not gone back-Gary would not have gotten AIDS
@kbkcogic How do you know... women are perfectly capable of transmitting AIDS. God this comment area is full of undeducated morons, you can have AIDS for years without even knowng, he could have got it off his wife or anything. The bible also says that you can not marry outside of jewish sects and you are not to judge anyone in any way what so ever and accept them and love them no matter what.........but i don't see any "christians" paying attention to these things. Fakers or what lol
you cannot change who you are because they made that choice before you were born. Gays are probably Nature/God way of saying .. have unconditional love in your hearts, whoever you love. If anything prejudice is shown when minorities are prosecuted for being different ... just look at the normal people, where do you lead the lives ? any better than other minorities ?
@AlessioDAlessandro to be honest im a fellow atheist and i say religion is corrupt and evil and it is a cancer and my biggest dream is to cut that cancer away from the planet. Religion has corrupted people and brainswashed them while the churches continue to take their money and their dignaty as humans and now they are racists because god say it is wrong. In the Bible they say homosexuality is wrong but they say that slavery is right. Religion is just not worth it in life.
@jakeharris2010 hear hear, i am not an atheist, i am spiritual but not in a religious way. I think that religion is the biggest cause of suffering next to war and famine. Christians only take what they want from the bible they ignore things like "do not marry outside of jewish sects" or "do not divorce" or "stone a woman for cheating" or my favourite is the allowance of dating anyone above the age of 12. There is not one single true christian on the planet, bar perhaps the jews
@Manasseh1988 I like how he smiles and laughs as he talks about destroying the lives of his and Gary's wives and children. What he did was completely selfish and disgusting. And then of course Gary "gets" AIDS...........which means they weren't exactly a monogamous couple were they?
@LettersOfCentinel76 Gary could have contracted AIDS a long while back. And just then found out about it. You can go around for years with the AIDS virus and not know you have it. Do your research before you speak.
@sep26198719 Dude, fags do not know the meaning of monogamy. All guys have a desire to be sexually promiscuous, only with the help of a good woman can a guy become tied down.
All gay guys sleep around. Gay marriage is a total joke.
@AtheistinFundyLand There was a study by 2 gay men on 300 people (150 long term relationship couples), and after a few years, 100% of the 300 people were non-monogamous. Now, you need to ask me for the source since I'm probably making this up.
@LettersOfCentinel76 and it is people like you with that attitude that create the suffering and misery LGBT people have to go through. Why don't you go blow paws shotgun already or at the very least just come out as being LGBT yourself, your anger kinda indicates it moron
@LettersOfCentinel76 I love people like you, utter moron of a person. I support the guy, he did what made him happy and life is too short to not do that. As for AIDS, you can contract it years previously and never know until years later. How do you know his wife did not give it to him?? women are perfectly capable of transmitting an catching AIDS. Got it rooted in your head that only homosexuals have AIDS??? Go educate yourself a little you fool.
When science told the church that the Earth is not flat, they didn't believe it. However, they couldn't flatten it, regardless of all the people that died because of the religious ignorance... Now science told them that homosexuality is not a decease. But they wouldn't stop trying to cure it...
That's what happens to people when they get hooked up on books from the bronze age...
We used to hang out and have a great time together, we went together to see too fast to Furious 1, behind the back of the ministers, hahahahahahaha, and had a great time together, we had a blast. I’m doing great been gay now, I’m a Born Again Christian man who is gay, and I feel a call to the gay churches all over the world, support your gay bothers and sisters in Africa, thanks.
First of all I want to explain that, I’m a born again Christian gay man. I used to attend the meetings in Rosslyn VA, and I just want to say that for me, and for what I judged from the group, It was a really a nice group of people, nobody said anything about not being gay anymore nor repair therapy, they were meeting compose by very smart group of people, and nobody inside the meeting said "I’m not gay anymore," nobody said "I used to be gay."
The problem is that people are looking to the organization and not to the developing of their own personal relationship with God. Either He is God (all powerful), or He isn't. And in the end, everyone has to give their own account for the deeds that they have done. Exodus is not your savior or deliverer! So don't blame exodus if you have given in to your temptation or lusts in your flesh. Is there anything to hard for God? To Jesus be all the glory. I KNOW FOR MYSELF.
@heavywght Ok answer me a question. God made man in his own image yeah, ok so if that is the case and ever man is an image of god then why are there homosexuals, transgender and bisexual people. Surely these people are imaging god? they must be if we take the bible so litterally as you seem to. So god must be a straight homosexual with transgender tendancies who loves nothing more than buffing himself at the gym in 12 inch heels.
Sorry to hear that Garry contacted Aids & as a result of that died. I also hope he is not in Hell as eternity is one heck of a long time.
2 Samuel 24:15 So the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning even to the time appointed: and there died of the people from Dan even to Beersheba seventy thousand men.
Ecclesiastes 3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
@Romans1014Preach There is no hell, it does not exist. The words used for hell translate into english as pit, grave, being underneath, rubbish dump and one (gehena) refers to a valley just outisde of jerusalem. devil comes from an old english word and that word goes back to proto germanic hellja meaning one who covers things up (how is that a place). Lucifer is latin for morning star, satan means opposition. Please will one christian somewhere learn about there own belief.
@y0urbrainisbr0ken This man did his wife a favor...breaking her free from the already Sham marriage he entered into with her. Would you like to live a life where you feel absolutely unsexy/unappretiated by your husband or wife. His biggest mistake was buying into the notion that sexuality can be changed, and entereing into marriage with a woman in the first place. yes the kids were hurt...but they are not fragile glass chachkies when they grow older they'll realize what really went on.
My favorite part is "he loved his wife and children. So we moved in together and started to get po.op on each other's you know what" This man-whore is a home-wrecker. As a side note, there is nothing biologically or mechanically unnatural about 2 men being together. I know this one guy that got pregnant in his bottom. And when he went diarrhea, he gave birth to a beautiful baby poopie.
I'm an exgay man.Happily married since1996&I have2beautiful kids.I need to say tis to everyone who finds pleasure in abusing exgays…“Just as it's your rights to be gay/whatever u want(which isn’t my business)-it's TOTALLY MY RIGHTS to be an exgay.Y can’t u respec people for what we’ve decided for OUR OWN lives.No1has forced me into the exgay lifestyle.It’s my CHOICE.Respec others IF u want to be respected!Stop bullyin people jst bcoz they r different from/refuse to believe what u believe."
ME ENCANTA LA INVESTIGACION Y ESTOY DE ACUERO QUE LA HOMOSEXUALIDAD TIENE CURACION POR SER UNA CONDUCTA CORREGIBLE CUANDO EL SUJETO DESEA UN CAMBIO, ADMIRO AQUELLAS PERSONAS QUE HAN CAMBIADO SU CONDUCTA HOMOSEXUAL POR HETEROSEXUAL CLARO QUE SI SE PUEDE, FANTASTICO.SI HAY UNA PUERTA GRANDE PARA TODO HOMOSEXUAL NO TE SUICIDES AMIGO HOMOSEXUAL PUEDES Y ERES CAPAZ DE CAMBIAR EL RUMBO DE TU VIDA ESTOY COMPLETAMENTE SEGURO. DIOS LOS BENDIGA A TODOS Y SIGAN LAS INVESTIGACIONES MAGNIFICO.
Many straight people also have anal sex on occasion, and many more incorporate some stimulation of the area around the anus, without penetration. This is not a result of "radical gays" promoting anal sex. It's simply because there is a high concentration of nerve endings around the anus, making it an erogenous zone on both women and men. Why are you so disgusted by the human body?
I won't say homosexuality is wrong, but I think that enjoying your sex life is less important than honoring a promise made to someone. Even if the sex in your marriage isn't satisfying you anymore, a promise was made and that's kind of low to even allow yourself to get close to close enough to another person to discover that you love them.
When you get married you promise to be faithful, and falling in love someone else - male or female - is unfaithfulness.
@koenan1 Ok so imagine for one second you get married, 10 years later you know you are not in love with the person or are sexually attracted to her anymore. So you are saying you would put you and her through an unhappy unfulfilled marriage just because of a promise made when you wed. I think not, you would divorce and move on with your life. To do otherwise is just stupid because your then just basing your marriage on lies and deciept which goes against the vows anyway.
Will any Christians on here change their minds by watching the video or reading the comments?
Will any gay people change their minds by watching or reading?
Will anyone else change their minds about anything ever?
To get at these deep issues, something has to be at stake. That's why only friends should talk these things over with each other. With a friendship at stake, both sides will actually listen!
So make friends with people you disagree with. I do...and I'm a -------
Reparative therapies don't work. & how could someone whose aunt knew I was gay in the EIGHTH GRADE before I even knew be "cured"? She told me AFTER the fact of coming out as a lesbian that she knew and I laughed and said "Why couldn't you have told me that THEN when I was YOUNGER!?" lol I didn't even claim to be interested in girls until sophmore year. & even then I didn't CHOOSE it. I just realized it. My aunt knowing before me means that it's definately not something you can change or CHOOSE.
TOTALLY agree with MikeCNW, ArielCohen & Mr.Farcy. This man smirks thinking he's so clever as he attempts to discredit the Exodus Int'l group. In reality, he is a sad excuse of a man who sacrificed his own children to follow after his own perversion. The success of Exodus or AA, etc. is not dependent on one's OWN willpower -- that kind of life-changing power can only happen by daily yielding our will to God. He was clearly never an "ex-gay" & has left a tragic path of destruction all around him.
@bethsbabies "that kind of life-changing power can only happen by daily yielding our will to God."
Which god? You mean the god that someone introduced to you -- the god that you CHOOSE to follow? Or could it be the voice in your head that tells you to condemn people because you don't understand their attraction(s)?
Remember, god is a fallacy...unless you can explain why there are so many gods around the World and so many denominations in N.America's 'christian' lifestyle.
@Dave175 I'm talking about the reason there is something rather than nothing. 13.7 billion years ago the universe started. I'm not talking about "Polar Express" real. I'm talking about real life. If I "believe" then something's real? no.
@MPaulHolmes Well, something came from nothing just because it happened. It didn't need a reason, it just happened. Life just kind of works that way. Stuff happens because it can, not because of any predestined plan. We can't have free will if our lives have already been planned out by a higher power.
@Dave175 It happened because it happened? Now, that sounds pretty intellectually lazy to me. Who says our lives are already planned out? God allows us to choose.
@MPaulHolmes That's true, but you could also argue that only using one book to determine what is right and wrong based only on when it was first written instead of using regular judgement is equally as lazy.
@Dave175 Regular judgment? You mean let the final authority of what's right and wrong come from inside my head? I think something's OK because I really really want to do it?
@MPaulHolmes Well, hopefully you wouldn't just make a decision based on how much you wanted it. Even without religion, basic human morality is about thinking about how doing something helps you AND the people around you.
@bethsbabies Then maybe if this he wasn't going to stay with a women under false pretenses, they shouldn't have tried to change him and force him to live a false life for who knows how long, at the expense of a wife and child who couldn't possibly know any better.
There's no more meaning or determined path to our lives than there is to a Jew's face appearing on piece of toast. And yes, I'm talking about Jesus.
@MPaulHolmes Jews have a tendency not to act like religions that came after them. Except for Jews For Jesus, but we aren't exactly proud of that tangent.
While I don't have any hatefulness for gays, I do have negativity for idiots like this fool who leaves his family because he's now decided to act apon his homosexuality.
@MIKECNW So he should just stay in a marriage that is based on a lie. Is that fair to his wife?? she would never be happy or fullfilled or experience true love from him.
@MIKECNW Ok but how many straight people meet, get married, think they are in love, produce a child and 20 years later split up for one reason or another. Divorce always affects a kid but children are not the reason to stay together, that can be worse for the child and especially the parents because without fail they will inevitably start arguing and creating and even unhappier family environment than there would be if they split. Sometimes splitting is the best option.
@soraseetan Based on what lie? Let's say I think my wife is unattractive. Is it living a lie to stay committed to her and my children? What's the lie?
@MrFarcry1966 That's no different than a straight relationship where a man or woman cheats and contracts a disease or AIDS and brings it back into the relationship. U can't just say this is a gay thing. It happens to ALOT of couples. & maybe he caught AIDS through another medium other than sex??? You have to think about this from BOTH sides the straight AND gay ability to catch diseases through cheating and/or needles and other ways. AIDS can be caughts in a NUMBER of ways.THAT'S called logic.
Destroyers of their families? Divorce doesn't happen in straight marriages? If anybody hurt their marriages it's those who talked them into pretending to be someone they aren't.
Humans have been around for 100,000 years, but the bible is only 2000 years old and based on punishment and fear of a god. The bible is not the only authority on life and it's meaning.
1. why change? If you take religion out of the picture, what is the purpose of changing? I have no doubt that i could be brainwashed into just having sex with a woman. But why would an atheist who has a healthy life decide to brainwash himself to fit the ideals of a religious group?
2. There has to be a percentage of bisexuals who have gone into exodus. This can account for what would appear to be a successful transition. It's not as black and white as portrayed.
Well how did Cooper get AIDS if he was faithful? Christians sometimes get it wrong, I admit that. But Christians are not suposed to hate homosexuals. They are supposed to love everyone. Just because they don't believe that homosexuality is right doesnt mean they hate gays. I think Exodus is a good thing because some people want to change and Exodus can help with that. Yeah there might not be a 100% successful change rate but what do you expect? Dealing with unwanted homosexual desires is tricky
Well, they asked a good question...if Gary was so faithful to Michael how DID he contract AIDs? It's not a valid question. IOW: He doesn't want to admit the promiscuity statistics in the gay community or the fact that his "committed" lover was screwing around on him.
@sarumbley Apparently you lack basic knowledge of physiology; lesbians, being female, cannot have anal intercourse. Gay men are predominantly butt fuckers, hence why they make up half of the AIDS cases in the US.
@RebelWrestler45 And apparently you lack basic understanding of the HIV virus. The virus is spread through semen, vaginal fluid, blood, and breast milk. Straight people are just as susceptible to HIV as gay men are.
@sarumbley The female gender lacks any insertable venereal organ, making contraction of HIV through vaginal fluid transfer highly improbable. Statistics don't lie; 5% of the population accounts for half of nation wide AIDS cases, due to unprotected butt sex. Since 30-40% of sexually active heterosexuals practice anal sex, that means that straights are simply more likely to practice safe sex than gay men are.
@cosmosman sorry, I was typing fast, and I hit the 't' an extra time by mistake. Have you no actual content? Only "haha, he hit the 't' an extra time"? Is it the case that 25% of "straight" men have over 1000 partners in their lifetime? Have you read the study of 100 gay couples, written by a gay couple, that discovered that after a few years, 100% of them had moved on to new couples? uh oh. ignore everythingf I said, because I accidentally typed an 'f' at the end of "everything".
@MPaulHolmes firstly....100 (200 gay individuals) is hardly a representative group of the gay community. If you could show me this study i would love to see it and how far fetched it actually is.
Your comments hold no water in my mind because of your most recent one...where you say a man gave birth to a beautiful baby poopie.
@cosmosman D McWhirter and A Mattison, “The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop”, (Englewood Cliffs, Prentice-Hall).
The conclusion of the study was that sexual monogamy is a passing stage of homophobia and that many homosexuals separate emotional fidelity and sexual exclusivity.
@MPaulHolmes yes this is the view of some homosexuals..."many" as you put it....but that is still not an encompassing characteristic of all homosexuals.
if you are going to talk about gay people being promiscuous...you have to talk about straight men and women being promiscuous as well..
promiscuity is in human nature...its up to personal decision making if you act on such sexual desires/ instincts.
@cosmosman I would actually say "the overwhelming majority". Women typically want husbands that don't sleep around. In the case of men with men, the overwhelming majority have no such concern. I would be very interested in a study of over 150 male /female couples in long term committed relationships (like the above study) that were 100% non-monogamous after a few years. I would also be interested in a study that shows that this study is NOT representative.
@MPaulHolmes it Isn't representative...no study of 200 people that is supposedly mirroring the behaviors and actions of millions of people is representative = bad, and misleading data....and without reading the actual data from the book...i can no longer argue this with you.
@cosmosman over 300 people actually. Studies are generally done on hundreds of people. It's not practical to ask all of the united states to stop over and answer some questions at some research facility. haha. But from hundreds of people, conclusions can indeed be drawn, and are drawn all the time. It's what studies do. Have you ever seen political polls? A sample of 400 people were asked 'x'. We now know result 'y' with an error of +/- 4% or whatever.
@MPaulHolmes its usually several hundred people from each state....thats a representation of the US as a whole. you wouldn't take 400 people from a democratic state and call that an accurate prediction of the election.
200 gay people in 1 area (this is all i can assume seeing i have no data from the source you cited...not buying it on amazon soley for this purpose) is not an accurate prediction of the greater population either.
@cosmosman sorry, I thought it was 100 couples, but I re-read it, and it was over 150 couples. So, several hundred people from each state is sufficient? hehe. Well, if that's the case,then I'd be curious to know which state it was from, or if it was spread out. If the 300 some people were from a single state, then I guess we know that everyone in that state that's gay sleeps around with others too. Well, +/- 4%.
@MPaulHolmes also please provide an abundance of studies that support your claims that 100% of gay people are non monagamous...and that monogamy is a fleeting stage of homophobia....
because 1 study...is yet again...not representative of a greater body of people....Highschool statistics would grant anyone this knowledge.
@cosmosman Who's saying that 100% = "overwhelming majority"? Not me. I'm sure there are other studies out there. I gave one involving over 300 people. Now it's your turn. Wow me with the other side. The bottom line is this: Do whatever you want, but don't pretend that you can be a Christian while doing it. That's my only beef.
@gjprice4jc Or maybe he had HIV for a long time and didn't know he had it. Even if he was promiscuous, what difference does that make? Should we also discriminate against straight couples that are unfaithful to each other or prone to promiscuity? It's a personal choice and people should not be discriminated against for making decisions that you personally dislike.
"I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women."
That said, well so THE GOD'S ANOINTED KING David loved someone the same gender and that love he felt towards him, Jonathan, was even stronger/higher than what David felt towards women... mmmmmm, doesn't it sound like homosexual love to you?!?
I just wonder why people keep hiding the truth! God bless us all!!!
@fabianobra There is not an inkling of truth to be found in the bible, and trying to discover pro-gay sentiments in such a hatefully homophobic book make you look very desperate. Throw out this whole religious nonsense and embrace your own identity.
@fabianobra "mmmmmm, doesn't it sound like homosexual love to you?!?
No, actually it doesn't. That's called "Scripture-twisting". Our contemporary world tends to sexualize practically *everything* and take Scripture out of context. Eros (sexual love) is NOT stronger nor more important than phileo (friendship) or storge (family affection/commitment), much less agape (God's unconditional love). It is wrong to put it on a pedestal. Without the latter 3 as a foundation, eros "love" cannot stand.
Besides which, the Bible is also very clear that any and all sexual relationships outside of marriage are forbidden; also (by precedent and original design of God) that marriage is to be between a man and a woman. So therefore the homosexual acts forbidden in Romans chapter 1 was not just with "temple prostitutes," as the gay apologists claim; because gay marriage (i.e., civil or otherwise) did not exist during Biblical times.
This world is so wrong... Homosexuality always existed the same way Heterosexuality always existed. both are natural states of different human beings. It's not a choice and it's not an illness either. Others think it is a curse, sin or something abnornal. The fact is that a horse cannot be a butterfly and neither can a dove suddenly turn into a lion. People are just people despite who they sleep or remain awake with in their 4 walls.
This world is so wrong... Homosexuality always existed the same way Heterosexuality always existed. both are natural states of different human beings. It's not a choice and it's not an illness either. Others think it is a curse, sin or something abnornal. The fact is that a horse cannot be a butterfly and neither can a dove suddenly turn into a lion. People are just people despite who they sleep or remain awake with in their 4 walls.
What's up with these gay guys having families and children?, if you want to live the gay lifestyle that's fine but why mess up someone else (wife and children) life just to prove to the world that you're straight?
This guy carries amazing blindness! Destroying their families, catching AIDS, destroying their lives, and so forth. And still trying to appear relaxed and happy, and talking nonsense...
The woman in these relationships simply go along with the luxury of life provided for them by there gay partners. The truth always sets you free don't feel sorry for delusional people.
It's this simple to me. When i think about pressing my lips to someone elses I think of a girl. I'm guessing that gay men close their eye's that want a mans lips to press against. if this doesn't repulse him he's gay. It wasn't a choice to me to like girl lips anymore his to like a mans. Sad how religion screws people up for years.
How come you white gay guys, especially the younger ones, only go for your own kind (i.e., other white guys) and always reject guys of other races? Aren't you physically attracted to us? We are to you, I can definitely say that! That's why most of us think that you gay white guys are racists.
The other part was that you said you both "loved " your wives. Was the sexual attraction of a man so strong, or the love of another man so strong that it outweighed the love you had for your wife? How can you be in love with your wife, a strong devout Christian, and fall in love or lust with another person and act on it?
No offense, but it sounds like you were playing a part and not really living or feeling what you said inside. It makes your story hard for me to take serious.
I can understand your confusion but think of it this way: If you were the minority and due to strong religious, social, and familial pressures had to live in a gay partnership, could you do it? If you stood to lose everything otherwise? Most people could find someone who they cared deeply for and make it work. You'd love your husband like a brother. Compare this to romantic love. Not lust. I'm talking about falling in love. It doesn't make an affair right, but it may help you to understand.
Ok.. so.. they loved their wives, but they weren't "in love" with them because they are gay and really more or less settled with someone they could see getting along with, but then they met someone that they actually fell in love with and it was a person of the same sex. That makes more sense to me.. thanks.
I guess the confusing part is that when you talk about lust, you'll always have to deal with attraction straight or gay, if you are in a monogamous relationship, but you stay faithful.
Todd, Thank you SO much for taking the time to understand.
Exactly. Lust happens to both straight and gay people. What someone does with lust has to do with character, not orientation. This guy was with his partner for 17 years. No way this was lust - this is deep, committed love. Particularly when you think what they had to sacrifice to be together. How many people (gay or straight) wouldl sacrifice so much to be together? It says a lot about the quality and intensity of their love.
But I also feel really bad for the wife and kids. I hope they stayed in touch with their children.
I know a guy that is sort of going through this, but he isn't being honest with what he says to me about some of it. He said "I am doing everything I can to save my marriage and stay with my family", but he is a journalist and travels and is meeting men on the internet and "playing" with them as he visits different cities, so I guess I don't get it. He isn't facing it or something.
I totally agree. It's a sad story all around. But amazing he has the courage to use it to help other people. I think he actually is close with his ex-wife and kids. And research shows that kids actually are mentally healthier when parents amicably divorce than when they tough it out and maintain a dysfunctional marriage. At least it gives his wife a chance to be with someone who can be fully in love with her. I agree, though - sad it ever happened. Take a look at "Former ex-gays apologize."
"And research shows that kids actually are mentally healthier when parents amicably divorce than when they tough it out and maintain a dysfunctional marriage."
Thumbs way up for that one... when will people finally get that?
Ooh, sorry about your friend. I can see why you reacted the way you did to the video. This is why living a life that is inconsistent with your identity is damaging to both the invidual and their family. You'd be shocked to know how many people have wound up in this kind of situation for a range of reasons. Most can't pull it off - it's like constantly walking against a current. Sounds like your friend needs to commit one way or the other and start being honest to himself and his family. Sorry.
This is my problem.. whether gay is right or wrong.. you both were married. So what if you had met a woman you were attracted to? Would you have allowed yourself to fall in love and left your wife and family? The fact that you had any type of affair behind your wife's back and allowed yourself to leave your marriage and family shows a lack of character and commitment to me. I don't care if it was for a man or a woman.
Well, the thing is if you are a gay man, you are not going to fall in love with another woman. You might love her as a friend or sister, but you are not going to have the mixture of sexual attraction and genuine love you would have of the person of the same sex. Gay men do such a great job of hiding their true feelings that I can understand how it would be difficult for straight person to understand.
A strong part of me hopes that some ancient document is unearthed and proves that Gay Christian apologists are right about homosexual intimacy in God's eyes. But whatever this proves about the effectiveness of the "therapy," the real victims in this man's story were the wives and kids of him and his partner. Whether its a sin or not, the greater sin here was adultery. I hope their family's were very open minded, otherwise I can't imagine the pain this caused them. I hope he's repented of that.
Uh, straight people can't change into being gay any more than gay people can turn straight. FACT!!! Leave ppl alone. Mind ur OWN business ...
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Is it not the case that the u.s.a ,along with most democratic countries ,has a very high divorce rate with second or third marriages being quite common it is also my understanding that the u.s has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the western world.This despite the fact that in a country in which the majority claim to be biblical christians divorce is ,unlike homosexuality,specifically forbidden by christ.There are so many other things in the bible that people conveniently ignore. hypocrasy.
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I've known many couples who are heterosexual and one or both have HIV others who have AIDS. Was it that they weren't monogamous? Was it because they were inherently promiscuous? What we who are Christian ought do is offer our compassion to anyone who lives with HIV/AIDS, just as we should those who believe it is their place to judge others.
TucsonPaolo 6 months ago
What the heck is wrong with this guy? Does he have any self control? And If he and the other guy could so swiftly change their allegiances from family to each other, maybe Gary cheated on him after all.
TheOoshed 6 months ago
@TheOoshed There is nothing wrong with this guy. It seems he was obviously brainwashed by the church, what he thought to be his friends and family and he was forced into this marriage and family. He finally realized he wasn't happy and left to be with his real love. Would you rather be married to someone who kept quiet and "pretended" to love you? Or let that person go? I also don't think it is a matter of Gary cheating on him. I think that is not the point of the matter.
sep26198719 5 months ago
@sep26198719 Uh he wasn't forced into marriage. It was his own choice to get married and hide his hmosexuality so don't kiss up to him.
MIKECNW 5 months ago
@TheOoshed I think you may have missed the point. He never was straight, he was lying to himself, he even states it along those lines. He always was gay and realised when he met the person who was right for him, that is not to say he did not love his wife but there is a big difference between loving someone and being in love with them. To be fair life is too short, do what makes you happy and fuck everyone else.
soraseetan 1 week ago
Are they ex-gay or ex-ex-gay or X gay or cross gay? Pretty pathetic.
Makater77 6 months ago
@Makater77 are you ex-moron, ex-ex-moron or just a moron. Answer that and you will find what you seek.
soraseetan 1 week ago
straight people fall into their old ways as well. The Bible says he(she) that endureth to the end shall be saved. P.S. If they stayed with their wives and not gone back-Gary would not have gotten AIDS
kbkcogic 7 months ago
@kbkcogic How do you know... women are perfectly capable of transmitting AIDS. God this comment area is full of undeducated morons, you can have AIDS for years without even knowng, he could have got it off his wife or anything. The bible also says that you can not marry outside of jewish sects and you are not to judge anyone in any way what so ever and accept them and love them no matter what.........but i don't see any "christians" paying attention to these things. Fakers or what lol
soraseetan 1 week ago
you cannot change who you are because they made that choice before you were born. Gays are probably Nature/God way of saying .. have unconditional love in your hearts, whoever you love. If anything prejudice is shown when minorities are prosecuted for being different ... just look at the normal people, where do you lead the lives ? any better than other minorities ?
lovebeyondnow 7 months ago
@AlessioDAlessandro to be honest im a fellow atheist and i say religion is corrupt and evil and it is a cancer and my biggest dream is to cut that cancer away from the planet. Religion has corrupted people and brainswashed them while the churches continue to take their money and their dignaty as humans and now they are racists because god say it is wrong. In the Bible they say homosexuality is wrong but they say that slavery is right. Religion is just not worth it in life.
jakeharris2010 7 months ago
@jakeharris2010 hear hear, i am not an atheist, i am spiritual but not in a religious way. I think that religion is the biggest cause of suffering next to war and famine. Christians only take what they want from the bible they ignore things like "do not marry outside of jewish sects" or "do not divorce" or "stone a woman for cheating" or my favourite is the allowance of dating anyone above the age of 12. There is not one single true christian on the planet, bar perhaps the jews
soraseetan 1 week ago
What a thing...allowing their lusts to overtake their lives to the point of destroying the lives of those who loved them...my goodness.
Manasseh1988 8 months ago
@Manasseh1988 I like how he smiles and laughs as he talks about destroying the lives of his and Gary's wives and children. What he did was completely selfish and disgusting. And then of course Gary "gets" AIDS...........which means they weren't exactly a monogamous couple were they?
LettersOfCentinel76 6 months ago
@LettersOfCentinel76 Gary could have contracted AIDS a long while back. And just then found out about it. You can go around for years with the AIDS virus and not know you have it. Do your research before you speak.
sep26198719 5 months ago
@sep26198719 Dude, fags do not know the meaning of monogamy. All guys have a desire to be sexually promiscuous, only with the help of a good woman can a guy become tied down.
All gay guys sleep around. Gay marriage is a total joke.
LettersOfCentinel76 5 months ago
@LettersOfCentinel76 And you know this how? Apparently, YOU have a problem with monogamy and are projecting it onto others.
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@AtheistinFundyLand There was a study by 2 gay men on 300 people (150 long term relationship couples), and after a few years, 100% of the 300 people were non-monogamous. Now, you need to ask me for the source since I'm probably making this up.
MPaulHolmes 1 week ago
@LettersOfCentinel76 and it is people like you with that attitude that create the suffering and misery LGBT people have to go through. Why don't you go blow paws shotgun already or at the very least just come out as being LGBT yourself, your anger kinda indicates it moron
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LettersOfCentinel76 1 week ago
@LettersOfCentinel76 I love people like you, utter moron of a person. I support the guy, he did what made him happy and life is too short to not do that. As for AIDS, you can contract it years previously and never know until years later. How do you know his wife did not give it to him?? women are perfectly capable of transmitting an catching AIDS. Got it rooted in your head that only homosexuals have AIDS??? Go educate yourself a little you fool.
soraseetan 1 week ago
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@soraseetan Dude c'mon. We all know that he got AIDS from fag sex NOT from his wife. You sound fucking retarded.
LettersOfCentinel76 1 week ago
@Manasseh1988 It's called being true to yourself. And not living a lie. Seems like a pretty noble thing to see.
sep26198719 5 months ago
@Manasseh1988 Exactly!!!
MPaulHolmes 1 week ago
When science told the church that the Earth is not flat, they didn't believe it. However, they couldn't flatten it, regardless of all the people that died because of the religious ignorance... Now science told them that homosexuality is not a decease. But they wouldn't stop trying to cure it...
That's what happens to people when they get hooked up on books from the bronze age...
Firewalkerbg 8 months ago
We used to hang out and have a great time together, we went together to see too fast to Furious 1, behind the back of the ministers, hahahahahahaha, and had a great time together, we had a blast. I’m doing great been gay now, I’m a Born Again Christian man who is gay, and I feel a call to the gay churches all over the world, support your gay bothers and sisters in Africa, thanks.
panamanubian 8 months ago
First of all I want to explain that, I’m a born again Christian gay man. I used to attend the meetings in Rosslyn VA, and I just want to say that for me, and for what I judged from the group, It was a really a nice group of people, nobody said anything about not being gay anymore nor repair therapy, they were meeting compose by very smart group of people, and nobody inside the meeting said "I’m not gay anymore," nobody said "I used to be gay."
panamanubian 8 months ago
The problem is that people are looking to the organization and not to the developing of their own personal relationship with God. Either He is God (all powerful), or He isn't. And in the end, everyone has to give their own account for the deeds that they have done. Exodus is not your savior or deliverer! So don't blame exodus if you have given in to your temptation or lusts in your flesh. Is there anything to hard for God? To Jesus be all the glory. I KNOW FOR MYSELF.
heavywght 8 months ago
@heavywght Ok answer me a question. God made man in his own image yeah, ok so if that is the case and ever man is an image of god then why are there homosexuals, transgender and bisexual people. Surely these people are imaging god? they must be if we take the bible so litterally as you seem to. So god must be a straight homosexual with transgender tendancies who loves nothing more than buffing himself at the gym in 12 inch heels.
soraseetan 1 week ago
@soraseetan Why are there child molesters? Why are there men that like to sleep with dogs? Your logic is horrible.
MPaulHolmes 1 week ago
Sorry to hear that Garry contacted Aids & as a result of that died. I also hope he is not in Hell as eternity is one heck of a long time.
2 Samuel 24:15 So the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning even to the time appointed: and there died of the people from Dan even to Beersheba seventy thousand men.
Ecclesiastes 3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
Romans1014Preach 8 months ago
@Romans1014Preach There is no hell, it does not exist. The words used for hell translate into english as pit, grave, being underneath, rubbish dump and one (gehena) refers to a valley just outisde of jerusalem. devil comes from an old english word and that word goes back to proto germanic hellja meaning one who covers things up (how is that a place). Lucifer is latin for morning star, satan means opposition. Please will one christian somewhere learn about there own belief.
soraseetan 1 week ago
@soraseetan You are not correct about Hell and the Bible. Read "Erasing Hell". It's a very thorough treatise on the subject.
MPaulHolmes 1 week ago
Exodus International= epic fail
choongd 9 months ago
@y0urbrainisbr0ken This man did his wife a favor...breaking her free from the already Sham marriage he entered into with her. Would you like to live a life where you feel absolutely unsexy/unappretiated by your husband or wife. His biggest mistake was buying into the notion that sexuality can be changed, and entereing into marriage with a woman in the first place. yes the kids were hurt...but they are not fragile glass chachkies when they grow older they'll realize what really went on.
cosmosman 9 months ago
My favorite part is "he loved his wife and children. So we moved in together and started to get po.op on each other's you know what" This man-whore is a home-wrecker. As a side note, there is nothing biologically or mechanically unnatural about 2 men being together. I know this one guy that got pregnant in his bottom. And when he went diarrhea, he gave birth to a beautiful baby poopie.
MPaulHolmes 9 months ago
@MPaulHolmes You are an idiot. A plain pure idiot. Re arrange these well chosen words.....shotgun, fathers, your, blow, go.
soraseetan 1 week ago
@soraseetan I really do know a baby poopie, by the way, which is proof of God's divine plan for families.
MPaulHolmes 1 week ago
What a ridiculous notion, that you can prey away your sexuality and ignore your own nature.
America is still learning, slowly...
HarrysSecret 10 months ago 2
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I'm an exgay man.Happily married since1996&I have2beautiful kids.I need to say tis to everyone who finds pleasure in abusing exgays…“Just as it's your rights to be gay/whatever u want(which isn’t my business)-it's TOTALLY MY RIGHTS to be an exgay.Y can’t u respec people for what we’ve decided for OUR OWN lives.No1has forced me into the exgay lifestyle.It’s my CHOICE.Respec others IF u want to be respected!Stop bullyin people jst bcoz they r different from/refuse to believe what u believe."
EdmundLawrenceSmith 10 months ago
@EdmundLawrenceSmith Why was this marked as spam?
MPaulHolmes 1 week ago
ME ENCANTA LA INVESTIGACION Y ESTOY DE ACUERO QUE LA HOMOSEXUALIDAD TIENE CURACION POR SER UNA CONDUCTA CORREGIBLE CUANDO EL SUJETO DESEA UN CAMBIO, ADMIRO AQUELLAS PERSONAS QUE HAN CAMBIADO SU CONDUCTA HOMOSEXUAL POR HETEROSEXUAL CLARO QUE SI SE PUEDE, FANTASTICO.SI HAY UNA PUERTA GRANDE PARA TODO HOMOSEXUAL NO TE SUICIDES AMIGO HOMOSEXUAL PUEDES Y ERES CAPAZ DE CAMBIAR EL RUMBO DE TU VIDA ESTOY COMPLETAMENTE SEGURO. DIOS LOS BENDIGA A TODOS Y SIGAN LAS INVESTIGACIONES MAGNIFICO.
GIOVANI34921 10 months ago
Many straight people also have anal sex on occasion, and many more incorporate some stimulation of the area around the anus, without penetration. This is not a result of "radical gays" promoting anal sex. It's simply because there is a high concentration of nerve endings around the anus, making it an erogenous zone on both women and men. Why are you so disgusted by the human body?
heidirh 10 months ago
better a repenting gay than a proud gay...thumbs up for honesty!
hudna1 11 months ago
I won't say homosexuality is wrong, but I think that enjoying your sex life is less important than honoring a promise made to someone. Even if the sex in your marriage isn't satisfying you anymore, a promise was made and that's kind of low to even allow yourself to get close to close enough to another person to discover that you love them.
When you get married you promise to be faithful, and falling in love someone else - male or female - is unfaithfulness.
koenan1 11 months ago
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MrFarcry1966 10 months ago
@koenan1 Ok so imagine for one second you get married, 10 years later you know you are not in love with the person or are sexually attracted to her anymore. So you are saying you would put you and her through an unhappy unfulfilled marriage just because of a promise made when you wed. I think not, you would divorce and move on with your life. To do otherwise is just stupid because your then just basing your marriage on lies and deciept which goes against the vows anyway.
soraseetan 1 week ago
@soraseetan Not sure how your question relates to my comment.
koenan1 1 week ago
@soraseetan You discover that you aren't in love anymore? How about look up love in the bible.
MPaulHolmes 1 week ago
Will any Christians on here change their minds by watching the video or reading the comments?
Will any gay people change their minds by watching or reading?
Will anyone else change their minds about anything ever?
To get at these deep issues, something has to be at stake. That's why only friends should talk these things over with each other. With a friendship at stake, both sides will actually listen!
So make friends with people you disagree with. I do...and I'm a -------
koenan1 11 months ago
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MrFarcry1966 10 months ago
Is there any chance that they would be 'Ex-Ex-Ex-Gay'?
gupsphoo 11 months ago
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MrFarcry1966 10 months ago
Reparative therapies don't work. & how could someone whose aunt knew I was gay in the EIGHTH GRADE before I even knew be "cured"? She told me AFTER the fact of coming out as a lesbian that she knew and I laughed and said "Why couldn't you have told me that THEN when I was YOUNGER!?" lol I didn't even claim to be interested in girls until sophmore year. & even then I didn't CHOOSE it. I just realized it. My aunt knowing before me means that it's definately not something you can change or CHOOSE.
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MrFarcry1966 10 months ago
TOTALLY agree with MikeCNW, ArielCohen & Mr.Farcy. This man smirks thinking he's so clever as he attempts to discredit the Exodus Int'l group. In reality, he is a sad excuse of a man who sacrificed his own children to follow after his own perversion. The success of Exodus or AA, etc. is not dependent on one's OWN willpower -- that kind of life-changing power can only happen by daily yielding our will to God. He was clearly never an "ex-gay" & has left a tragic path of destruction all around him.
bethsbabies 1 year ago
@bethsbabies "that kind of life-changing power can only happen by daily yielding our will to God."
Which god? You mean the god that someone introduced to you -- the god that you CHOOSE to follow? Or could it be the voice in your head that tells you to condemn people because you don't understand their attraction(s)?
Remember, god is a fallacy...unless you can explain why there are so many gods around the World and so many denominations in N.America's 'christian' lifestyle.
thecommercialedge 1 year ago
@thecommercialedge The God of the Bible. God is fake because some people believe in other Gods?
MPaulHolmes 1 week ago
@MPaulHolmes Basically, God is as real as those other Gods. In that you only need to believe in order for them to be real.
Dave175 1 week ago
@Dave175 I'm talking about the reason there is something rather than nothing. 13.7 billion years ago the universe started. I'm not talking about "Polar Express" real. I'm talking about real life. If I "believe" then something's real? no.
MPaulHolmes 1 week ago
@MPaulHolmes Well, something came from nothing just because it happened. It didn't need a reason, it just happened. Life just kind of works that way. Stuff happens because it can, not because of any predestined plan. We can't have free will if our lives have already been planned out by a higher power.
Dave175 1 week ago
@Dave175 It happened because it happened? Now, that sounds pretty intellectually lazy to me. Who says our lives are already planned out? God allows us to choose.
MPaulHolmes 1 week ago
@MPaulHolmes That's true, but you could also argue that only using one book to determine what is right and wrong based only on when it was first written instead of using regular judgement is equally as lazy.
Dave175 1 week ago
@Dave175 Regular judgment? You mean let the final authority of what's right and wrong come from inside my head? I think something's OK because I really really want to do it?
MPaulHolmes 1 week ago
@MPaulHolmes Well, hopefully you wouldn't just make a decision based on how much you wanted it. Even without religion, basic human morality is about thinking about how doing something helps you AND the people around you.
Dave175 1 week ago
@bethsbabies Then maybe if this he wasn't going to stay with a women under false pretenses, they shouldn't have tried to change him and force him to live a false life for who knows how long, at the expense of a wife and child who couldn't possibly know any better.
There's no more meaning or determined path to our lives than there is to a Jew's face appearing on piece of toast. And yes, I'm talking about Jesus.
Dave175 11 months ago
@Dave175 At least you aren't pretending to be a Christian. Of that I'm thankful.
MPaulHolmes 1 week ago
@MPaulHolmes Jews have a tendency not to act like religions that came after them. Except for Jews For Jesus, but we aren't exactly proud of that tangent.
Dave175 1 week ago
@bethsbabies Nicely put.
MPaulHolmes 1 week ago
While I don't have any hatefulness for gays, I do have negativity for idiots like this fool who leaves his family because he's now decided to act apon his homosexuality.
Bastard!
MIKECNW 1 year ago 3
@MIKECNW yea I mean when they remarried...... where were the first promises made to their wifes?
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MrFarcry1966 10 months ago
@MIKECNW So he should just stay in a marriage that is based on a lie. Is that fair to his wife?? she would never be happy or fullfilled or experience true love from him.
soraseetan 1 week ago
@soraseetan Well my concern is that the child they produced has both parents in the house and if they're not satisfield, that's their problem.
MIKECNW 1 week ago
@MIKECNW Ok but how many straight people meet, get married, think they are in love, produce a child and 20 years later split up for one reason or another. Divorce always affects a kid but children are not the reason to stay together, that can be worse for the child and especially the parents because without fail they will inevitably start arguing and creating and even unhappier family environment than there would be if they split. Sometimes splitting is the best option.
soraseetan 1 week ago
@soraseetan Studies just don't bear that out. Divorce has been shown to be much more detrimental to children than previously thought.
MPaulHolmes 1 week ago
@soraseetan Based on what lie? Let's say I think my wife is unattractive. Is it living a lie to stay committed to her and my children? What's the lie?
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MrFarcry1966 1 year ago
@MrFarcry1966 That's no different than a straight relationship where a man or woman cheats and contracts a disease or AIDS and brings it back into the relationship. U can't just say this is a gay thing. It happens to ALOT of couples. & maybe he caught AIDS through another medium other than sex??? You have to think about this from BOTH sides the straight AND gay ability to catch diseases through cheating and/or needles and other ways. AIDS can be caughts in a NUMBER of ways.THAT'S called logic.
ComedyLandTV1 1 year ago
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MrFarcry1966 1 year ago
@MrFarcry1966
It is transmitted through risky sexual behavior, not sexual orientation. Correlation is not causation.
BjoernarEricSven 10 months ago
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MrFarcry1966 10 months ago
@MrFarcry1966
I pointed out that AIDS is the result of risky sexual behaviour. How is that "obfuscating the facts"?
BjoernarEricSven 10 months ago
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MrFarcry1966 1 year ago
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Destroyers of their families? Divorce doesn't happen in straight marriages? If anybody hurt their marriages it's those who talked them into pretending to be someone they aren't.
BjoernarEricSven 10 months ago
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MrFarcry1966 10 months ago
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Sure they have a responsibility. First and foremost for themselves.
And to lead happy lifes they don't need assholes telling them to lie about themselves.
BjoernarEricSven 10 months ago
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MrFarcry1966 10 months ago
Jesus was gay, so why do christians hate homosexuals?
Northernrebel666 1 year ago
Humans have been around for 100,000 years, but the bible is only 2000 years old and based on punishment and fear of a god. The bible is not the only authority on life and it's meaning.
2degucitas 1 year ago
At 5:18 he says "were coming to my backdoor."
fibrousfeces 1 year ago
Although Michael seems like a nice enough guy, he is AGAIN in a position to influence the public.
After having been seriously wrong once, he would do well to scrupulously consider what he is communicating this time.
Is rooting out "anti-gay hypocrisy" really a constructive tactic, and is promoting "anti-hate laws" really beneficial?
Feeding the legal system?
It seems MB is ALWAYS a part of an agenda of social engineering, and if he would do his homework, he might realize he's being used...
suddenlyitsobvious 1 year ago
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suddenlyitsobvious 1 year ago
1. why change? If you take religion out of the picture, what is the purpose of changing? I have no doubt that i could be brainwashed into just having sex with a woman. But why would an atheist who has a healthy life decide to brainwash himself to fit the ideals of a religious group?
2. There has to be a percentage of bisexuals who have gone into exodus. This can account for what would appear to be a successful transition. It's not as black and white as portrayed.
zackipoo 1 year ago
Well how did Cooper get AIDS if he was faithful? Christians sometimes get it wrong, I admit that. But Christians are not suposed to hate homosexuals. They are supposed to love everyone. Just because they don't believe that homosexuality is right doesnt mean they hate gays. I think Exodus is a good thing because some people want to change and Exodus can help with that. Yeah there might not be a 100% successful change rate but what do you expect? Dealing with unwanted homosexual desires is tricky
Sarkasm47 1 year ago
@Sarkasm47 Exodus is not a good thing because it gives false hope.
the "success" stories are about successful supression. Most of the men if not all fall back on their old ways.
It doesn't work....the Board of psychology agrees with this.
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MrFarcry1966 10 months ago
Suppression, like prohibition, never works. Period. You'll only end up hurting yourself.
SkyFoxCode 1 year ago
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i agree with those words.
"Homosexuality always existed the same way Heterosexuality always existed. both are natural states of different human beings"
wetdream09 1 year ago
Well, they asked a good question...if Gary was so faithful to Michael how DID he contract AIDs? It's not a valid question. IOW: He doesn't want to admit the promiscuity statistics in the gay community or the fact that his "committed" lover was screwing around on him.
gjprice4jc 1 year ago
@gjprice4jc as if there isn't any promiscuity in the heterosexual community....give me a break Please.
Straight people get aids...like gay people get aids.
cosmosman 1 year ago 33
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Because women have aids! Because they share needles. Because of blood transfusions.... Idiotic comment.
ighhhhufzdgi 1 year ago
@ighhhhufzdgi if you are implying that Men only get aids because they get it from women you are an ignorant fool.
Straight people get aids from having sex in the same way that Gay people get aids from having sex.
and getting aids from blood fusions is almost unheard of in this day and age because blood goes under many tests to ensure that it is safe.
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MrFarcry1966 1 year ago
@cosmosman Not at the same rates; 50% of AIDS cases in the US are homosexual males, who only make up about 5% of the population
RebelWrestler45 11 months ago
@RebelWrestler45 Also, lesbians have the lowest HIV/AIDs rate of any orientation... Soooo I doubt the virus is homophobic.
sarumbley 11 months ago
@sarumbley Apparently you lack basic knowledge of physiology; lesbians, being female, cannot have anal intercourse. Gay men are predominantly butt fuckers, hence why they make up half of the AIDS cases in the US.
RebelWrestler45 11 months ago
@RebelWrestler45 And apparently you lack basic understanding of the HIV virus. The virus is spread through semen, vaginal fluid, blood, and breast milk. Straight people are just as susceptible to HIV as gay men are.
sarumbley 11 months ago
@sarumbley The female gender lacks any insertable venereal organ, making contraction of HIV through vaginal fluid transfer highly improbable. Statistics don't lie; 5% of the population accounts for half of nation wide AIDS cases, due to unprotected butt sex. Since 30-40% of sexually active heterosexuals practice anal sex, that means that straights are simply more likely to practice safe sex than gay men are.
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azsenade 5 months ago
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"The female gender lacks any insertable venereal organ, making contraction of HIV through vaginal fluid transfer highly improbable."
Apparently you aren't aware that dicks can obtain the HIV virus from vaginal fluids.
azsenade 5 months ago
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MrFarcry1966 10 months ago
@cosmosman Promiscutity NOT like the gay community. Do some research before making your comments.
MPaulHolmes 9 months ago
@MPaulHolmes i have no idea what your comment is trying to check me for.....
you can't even spell promiscuity
cosmosman 9 months ago
@cosmosman sorry, I was typing fast, and I hit the 't' an extra time by mistake. Have you no actual content? Only "haha, he hit the 't' an extra time"? Is it the case that 25% of "straight" men have over 1000 partners in their lifetime? Have you read the study of 100 gay couples, written by a gay couple, that discovered that after a few years, 100% of them had moved on to new couples? uh oh. ignore everythingf I said, because I accidentally typed an 'f' at the end of "everything".
MPaulHolmes 9 months ago
@MPaulHolmes firstly....100 (200 gay individuals) is hardly a representative group of the gay community. If you could show me this study i would love to see it and how far fetched it actually is.
Your comments hold no water in my mind because of your most recent one...where you say a man gave birth to a beautiful baby poopie.
how mature
cosmosman 9 months ago
@cosmosman D McWhirter and A Mattison, “The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop”, (Englewood Cliffs, Prentice-Hall).
The conclusion of the study was that sexual monogamy is a passing stage of homophobia and that many homosexuals separate emotional fidelity and sexual exclusivity.
MPaulHolmes 9 months ago
@MPaulHolmes yes this is the view of some homosexuals..."many" as you put it....but that is still not an encompassing characteristic of all homosexuals.
if you are going to talk about gay people being promiscuous...you have to talk about straight men and women being promiscuous as well..
promiscuity is in human nature...its up to personal decision making if you act on such sexual desires/ instincts.
this study is still NOT representative.
cosmosman 9 months ago
@cosmosman I would actually say "the overwhelming majority". Women typically want husbands that don't sleep around. In the case of men with men, the overwhelming majority have no such concern. I would be very interested in a study of over 150 male /female couples in long term committed relationships (like the above study) that were 100% non-monogamous after a few years. I would also be interested in a study that shows that this study is NOT representative.
MPaulHolmes 9 months ago
@MPaulHolmes it Isn't representative...no study of 200 people that is supposedly mirroring the behaviors and actions of millions of people is representative = bad, and misleading data....and without reading the actual data from the book...i can no longer argue this with you.
cosmosman 9 months ago
@cosmosman over 300 people actually. Studies are generally done on hundreds of people. It's not practical to ask all of the united states to stop over and answer some questions at some research facility. haha. But from hundreds of people, conclusions can indeed be drawn, and are drawn all the time. It's what studies do. Have you ever seen political polls? A sample of 400 people were asked 'x'. We now know result 'y' with an error of +/- 4% or whatever.
MPaulHolmes 9 months ago
@MPaulHolmes its usually several hundred people from each state....thats a representation of the US as a whole. you wouldn't take 400 people from a democratic state and call that an accurate prediction of the election.
200 gay people in 1 area (this is all i can assume seeing i have no data from the source you cited...not buying it on amazon soley for this purpose) is not an accurate prediction of the greater population either.
cosmosman 9 months ago
@MPaulHolmes also i keep pushing the 200 people number because you said 100 couples.....
cosmosman 9 months ago
@cosmosman sorry, I thought it was 100 couples, but I re-read it, and it was over 150 couples. So, several hundred people from each state is sufficient? hehe. Well, if that's the case,then I'd be curious to know which state it was from, or if it was spread out. If the 300 some people were from a single state, then I guess we know that everyone in that state that's gay sleeps around with others too. Well, +/- 4%.
MPaulHolmes 9 months ago
@MPaulHolmes also please provide an abundance of studies that support your claims that 100% of gay people are non monagamous...and that monogamy is a fleeting stage of homophobia....
because 1 study...is yet again...not representative of a greater body of people....Highschool statistics would grant anyone this knowledge.
cosmosman 9 months ago
@cosmosman Who's saying that 100% = "overwhelming majority"? Not me. I'm sure there are other studies out there. I gave one involving over 300 people. Now it's your turn. Wow me with the other side. The bottom line is this: Do whatever you want, but don't pretend that you can be a Christian while doing it. That's my only beef.
MPaulHolmes 9 months ago
@gjprice4jc The AIDS virus can remain in the body for up to 10 years.
Neithie 1 year ago
@gjprice4jc Or maybe he had HIV for a long time and didn't know he had it. Even if he was promiscuous, what difference does that make? Should we also discriminate against straight couples that are unfaithful to each other or prone to promiscuity? It's a personal choice and people should not be discriminated against for making decisions that you personally dislike.
jossman25 1 year ago
I am so sorry for the people that had to go through this. You should be who you want to be, never hide who you are. Share the love.
selty 1 year ago
I appreciate the courage and integrity of these guys.
Keep speaking the truth!
Equality is for EVERYONE!
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
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MrFarcry1966 10 months ago
HOLY BIBLE 2 SAMUEL 1:26
"I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women."
That said, well so THE GOD'S ANOINTED KING David loved someone the same gender and that love he felt towards him, Jonathan, was even stronger/higher than what David felt towards women... mmmmmm, doesn't it sound like homosexual love to you?!?
I just wonder why people keep hiding the truth! God bless us all!!!
fabianobra 1 year ago
@fabianobra There is not an inkling of truth to be found in the bible, and trying to discover pro-gay sentiments in such a hatefully homophobic book make you look very desperate. Throw out this whole religious nonsense and embrace your own identity.
manusdextra 1 year ago
@fabianobra "mmmmmm, doesn't it sound like homosexual love to you?!?
No, actually it doesn't. That's called "Scripture-twisting". Our contemporary world tends to sexualize practically *everything* and take Scripture out of context. Eros (sexual love) is NOT stronger nor more important than phileo (friendship) or storge (family affection/commitment), much less agape (God's unconditional love). It is wrong to put it on a pedestal. Without the latter 3 as a foundation, eros "love" cannot stand.
churchmousie 1 year ago
@fabianobra - re 2 Samuel 1:26 (cont.).:
Besides which, the Bible is also very clear that any and all sexual relationships outside of marriage are forbidden; also (by precedent and original design of God) that marriage is to be between a man and a woman. So therefore the homosexual acts forbidden in Romans chapter 1 was not just with "temple prostitutes," as the gay apologists claim; because gay marriage (i.e., civil or otherwise) did not exist during Biblical times.
churchmousie 1 year ago
This world is so wrong... Homosexuality always existed the same way Heterosexuality always existed. both are natural states of different human beings. It's not a choice and it's not an illness either. Others think it is a curse, sin or something abnornal. The fact is that a horse cannot be a butterfly and neither can a dove suddenly turn into a lion. People are just people despite who they sleep or remain awake with in their 4 walls.
God is love! Nature's diversity!
fabianobra 1 year ago
This world is so wrong... Homosexuality always existed the same way Heterosexuality always existed. both are natural states of different human beings. It's not a choice and it's not an illness either. Others think it is a curse, sin or something abnornal. The fact is that a horse cannot be a butterfly and neither can a dove suddenly turn into a lion. People are just people despite who they sleep or remain awake with in their 4 walls.
God is love! Nature's diversity!
fabianobra 1 year ago
What's up with these gay guys having families and children?, if you want to live the gay lifestyle that's fine but why mess up someone else (wife and children) life just to prove to the world that you're straight?
TheChance224 1 year ago
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MrFarcry1966 10 months ago
So how did Gary get AIDS? D:
DawnFaerie 1 year ago
It is great that the founders are coming out and criticizing the organization, I hope their comments lead to its ultimate downfall.
aZrevolution 1 year ago
This guy carries amazing blindness! Destroying their families, catching AIDS, destroying their lives, and so forth. And still trying to appear relaxed and happy, and talking nonsense...
axs2 1 year ago
I guess god isn't strong enough to help one overcome "sin". Oh well, maybe god needs therapy.
Brahmsfourth 1 year ago
i like this vid
clarencefields2007 1 year ago
The woman in these relationships simply go along with the luxury of life provided for them by there gay partners. The truth always sets you free don't feel sorry for delusional people.
SHADOW10621 1 year ago
It's this simple to me. When i think about pressing my lips to someone elses I think of a girl. I'm guessing that gay men close their eye's that want a mans lips to press against. if this doesn't repulse him he's gay. It wasn't a choice to me to like girl lips anymore his to like a mans. Sad how religion screws people up for years.
SHADOW10621 1 year ago 2
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A sin is a sin Repent!!!!
Obey his word Acts.2:38 2:4 recieve his word. You choose to be gay when you deny Jesus Christ.
apostolicmoma23 1 year ago
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@apostolicmoma23 What does the Bible really say?
Aside from the unicorns and talking snakes and donkeys
and the requirement to practice ritualized cannibalism
we see that your god commanded his people
to rip little girls from the bloody arms of their dead mothers
and take them home to enjoy
and to share them with YHVH's priests.
This is the book you are basing your morality on?
And you are worried about people in love?
How obscene.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
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How come you white gay guys, especially the younger ones, only go for your own kind (i.e., other white guys) and always reject guys of other races? Aren't you physically attracted to us? We are to you, I can definitely say that! That's why most of us think that you gay white guys are racists.
GianniBarbarona 2 years ago
The other part was that you said you both "loved " your wives. Was the sexual attraction of a man so strong, or the love of another man so strong that it outweighed the love you had for your wife? How can you be in love with your wife, a strong devout Christian, and fall in love or lust with another person and act on it?
No offense, but it sounds like you were playing a part and not really living or feeling what you said inside. It makes your story hard for me to take serious.
toddwoodamerican 2 years ago
I can understand your confusion but think of it this way: If you were the minority and due to strong religious, social, and familial pressures had to live in a gay partnership, could you do it? If you stood to lose everything otherwise? Most people could find someone who they cared deeply for and make it work. You'd love your husband like a brother. Compare this to romantic love. Not lust. I'm talking about falling in love. It doesn't make an affair right, but it may help you to understand.
bigbadliz444 1 year ago
Ok.. so.. they loved their wives, but they weren't "in love" with them because they are gay and really more or less settled with someone they could see getting along with, but then they met someone that they actually fell in love with and it was a person of the same sex. That makes more sense to me.. thanks.
I guess the confusing part is that when you talk about lust, you'll always have to deal with attraction straight or gay, if you are in a monogamous relationship, but you stay faithful.
toddwoodamerican 1 year ago
Todd, Thank you SO much for taking the time to understand.
Exactly. Lust happens to both straight and gay people. What someone does with lust has to do with character, not orientation. This guy was with his partner for 17 years. No way this was lust - this is deep, committed love. Particularly when you think what they had to sacrifice to be together. How many people (gay or straight) wouldl sacrifice so much to be together? It says a lot about the quality and intensity of their love.
bigbadliz444 1 year ago
But I also feel really bad for the wife and kids. I hope they stayed in touch with their children.
I know a guy that is sort of going through this, but he isn't being honest with what he says to me about some of it. He said "I am doing everything I can to save my marriage and stay with my family", but he is a journalist and travels and is meeting men on the internet and "playing" with them as he visits different cities, so I guess I don't get it. He isn't facing it or something.
toddwoodamerican 1 year ago
I totally agree. It's a sad story all around. But amazing he has the courage to use it to help other people. I think he actually is close with his ex-wife and kids. And research shows that kids actually are mentally healthier when parents amicably divorce than when they tough it out and maintain a dysfunctional marriage. At least it gives his wife a chance to be with someone who can be fully in love with her. I agree, though - sad it ever happened. Take a look at "Former ex-gays apologize."
bigbadliz444 1 year ago
"And research shows that kids actually are mentally healthier when parents amicably divorce than when they tough it out and maintain a dysfunctional marriage."
Thumbs way up for that one... when will people finally get that?
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MrFarcry1966 10 months ago
Ooh, sorry about your friend. I can see why you reacted the way you did to the video. This is why living a life that is inconsistent with your identity is damaging to both the invidual and their family. You'd be shocked to know how many people have wound up in this kind of situation for a range of reasons. Most can't pull it off - it's like constantly walking against a current. Sounds like your friend needs to commit one way or the other and start being honest to himself and his family. Sorry.
bigbadliz444 1 year ago
This is my problem.. whether gay is right or wrong.. you both were married. So what if you had met a woman you were attracted to? Would you have allowed yourself to fall in love and left your wife and family? The fact that you had any type of affair behind your wife's back and allowed yourself to leave your marriage and family shows a lack of character and commitment to me. I don't care if it was for a man or a woman.
toddwoodamerican 2 years ago
Well, the thing is if you are a gay man, you are not going to fall in love with another woman. You might love her as a friend or sister, but you are not going to have the mixture of sexual attraction and genuine love you would have of the person of the same sex. Gay men do such a great job of hiding their true feelings that I can understand how it would be difficult for straight person to understand.
Oksenholt 1 year ago 3
aww that was actually a really sweet love story he told in the beginning there. i support their love <3
taijacmonkey 2 years ago
A strong part of me hopes that some ancient document is unearthed and proves that Gay Christian apologists are right about homosexual intimacy in God's eyes. But whatever this proves about the effectiveness of the "therapy," the real victims in this man's story were the wives and kids of him and his partner. Whether its a sin or not, the greater sin here was adultery. I hope their family's were very open minded, otherwise I can't imagine the pain this caused them. I hope he's repented of that.
JRHockney 2 years ago