Nancy Pelosi visits a Denver clinic to raise support for Obamacare 08-06-09

[DINGLEtheBERRY]

pelosi is republican charade

[Angellicationify]

Obamacare was signed on March 2010 with 59% of the people disapproving according to a CNN poll. The CBO scored Obamacare on six years of coverage for 10 years of taxes, which is how the CBO showed the bill to be deficit neutral . It’s unconstitutional mandating all citizens to purchase health care. Even Pelosi said, “We have to pass the bill, so you can find out what is in it.” watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To It’s also meant to take over industry watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk

Allen West 2012

[GenevaPilgrim]

"Keith Olbermann & Rachel Maddow. Most of these people watch FOX noise" LOL She has no idea what she's talking about. I don't just watch FOX, I turn off the TV & research! I've read almost 300 pgs of the bill & am still reading. We have a group in my city that meets once a week to read the bill too (although I have never attended) but to accuse us of having no idea what's in the bill is ludicrous. People like her don't care what's in the bill as long as they get their taxpayer handout!

[owchywawa]

LOL Keith and Maddow! Wow, great sources.... not.

[rlindsay23]

TY for agreeing with my conclusion about simple facts.Your response: yes there is a shortage of nurses and doctors, but that is not an argument for not reforming health care.

Sounds more like an argument for creating incentives to go to med school. So, what your saying is,CASH FOR MED SCHOOL! WTF?You have one more chance to debate with me about ObamaCare and no B.S. After that I'll try my best to avoid you. You have brought nothing informative to the table...I'm Done!!!

[rlindsay23]

Seriously...You want a cash for clunker, oh damn, my bad, Cash for Doctors government run program? Our hospitals are packed to the MAX. Now you think 48 million more people in the same system, the same amount of Doctors, will allow you a faster and more efficient experience with the Health Care System run by the Government? Seriously, please, wake up and smell the coffee.

[nERVEcenter117]

She gets her facts from talk show hosts.

Smooth.

At least we know our talk show hosts provide their own personal views and commentaries, and don't run around spouting numbers "because Rush Limbaugh said so." Sheesh, that's utter stupidity.

[kosmickosmo]

the best is the two morons at 7;25 that have there facts completely screwed up i would bet a months pay that neither one of these two have every had a steady job.they recieved their info from tv they never did any research of thier own i would guess that they probably feel like someone is supposed to provide that for them also its amazing how some will support something and not know anything about it

[kosmickosmo]

why do some people believe that they are entitled to things that they do not work for ,no one in this country is denied health care even illegals get treated at the er,and if you cant afford healthcare you get medicare or medicaid face it you do not have the right to take from other people to better your life.you are only entitled to what you work and pay for take responsibility for your own life and stop try to get a free ride through life.

[rlindsay23]

You hit the nail on the head. I agree 100%, awesome comment.

[mendern]

Come on people! You've all become pawns of the insurance companies' PR campagin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!

[mvrbeek]

Her research is the media and newspapers. all which have a tendancy to lean far left. Hummmm..... maybe she should broaden her horizons

[themunz126]

naw .. she's smart and punny "Fox noise", never mind she's a clueless sheep. I like the other woman who doesn't care medicare is bankrupt, "THEY still pay it"

Who does she think "THEY" are?

Brain surgeons ... probably not, but they play one on you tube.

[noneyabiddness]

Sounds great! Like my right to health care, I have a right to clothing, a car to get to my job, a house to live in, & the right to be warm in the house the govt should pay for. The govt should help pay for my food (I don't mean by sending corporate welfare to the farmers)...I want the $. Oh, what about the gas to get me to my job, & the price I pay the EVIL car insurance agencies? The people I pay for services I need are evil & some make A LOT more $ than I do & THAT'S NOT FAIR! Obama save me!

[themunz126]

You have the right to keep and bear arms, the government needs to buy you a gun and ammunition as well. don't forget that

[f01863]

I can't believe this country have elected socialists to plot it's future.

[eslake]

I mostly watch TV.. and her research is to read the newspaper.

No freaking wonder she supports the death care bill, she hasn't read a word of it.

Sadly, that's the same stance a lot of our Representatives are taking.. just tell me whats in it and I'll vote the way you tell me (to Obama, not the people they're paid to represent).

[whynotflip]

OMG that woman who was confronted with the statement "medicare is bankrupt" her response was "they're still paying it" with the attitude of who cares? OMG.

[pandabead]

Why can't we just split the country into 2. Progressives stay in their ignorant utopia and us conservatives live by our constitution and uphold it for FREEDOM!!!!

[pandabead]

what the fuck? Do these democrats think they are going to get away with this fascism and be reelected? Oh yeah gerrymandering will make sure they stay in office forever and they will destroy America.

[pandabead]

Our bill of rights gives us the right as well as repsponsibility to abolish our government if they become tyrannical and not represents the people. Shutting people out a townhall meeting is no longer representing them. I urge all Americans to get a petitiion drive to recall Pelosi out of office.

[mendern]

(Matthew 25:31-46)

Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.

[drrohe]

Yes, WE the PEOPLE should do all these things.... not the GOVERNMENT. The government should do what WE the PEOPLE tell it to do. The Congress and Representatives should partake of social security and pensions just like those of WE the PEOPLE. The government people should not set themselves up as ROYALTY, but as SERVANT LEADERS. Jesus the King was humble and served the poor to show us to do unto others, one by one - We should not expect the elected government to do our jobs for us.

[nowhiteguilthere]

Marxist lefties are such stupid sheep . they can never debate the facts only spew "approved" soundbites Obama..Zombies what stupid mindless sheep

[mausermilitia]

good point..easy to see that the dems are well funded..they are evil bastards

[mausermilitia]

and then we can pass judgement on you once we find something about you we dont like and deny you meds, maybe forced sterilization and euthanasia when you hit a certain age..emm yaaaa! what goes around comes around ehh? Now thats change we can live (and) die with!!

[Kapan60]

Sorry there, but it took two political parties to get us into the so-called "War on Terror".

The Democrats and Republicans are part of the same ugly beast that is Washington DC.

[tntplatt]

No arguements here, Kapan. Both sides of the aisle in DC feel they are American Royalty, and both need to be flushed by the people that aren't being represented. This uprising, protesting, groundswell, whatever you want to call it, isn't simply a partisan or racially charged issue. Hear that, Jeanine Garafoulo? It's about the people who's government has failed them. It's about Americans who know it's time to take back our country to what our founding fathers intended.

[CLONG3]

uh yeah! She believes when people get close to her somebody must have paid them......Like every time a doctor gets close her face gets tighter and it costs a bundle.

[BeachedWhale09]

"um ah um my sources are keith olbermann and rachel maddow" lol does that woman honestly believe that the people across from her are being paid to protest lol

[lovinlindyhop]

I am reading the actual bill. This has nothing to do with helping anyone, it is about government control. Those political hacks inside the beltway dont give a rats behind for anyone but themselves. Notice govn't is exempt from this boondoggle. This monstrosity has more new, bureaucratic alphabet agencies than a warehouse of soup. This bill is begging for waste, fraud and abuse. Past page 800 we start hemorrhaging, and I mean hemorrhaging money. If you believe in prayer, please start now.

[tntplatt]

BTW, Agnostic, I appreciate that you want to have a discussion. Please understand that I am not personally a big corporation, don't work in healthcare, and question the motives of Big Pharma and the cozy relationship with the FDA. I pay for my own healthcare, as I'm self employed. My premiums have risen to disgusting levels, and I'm mad, but I want real reform. Reform is not what this bill is about. It's about taking 1/5 of our GDP and putting into the congressional budget.

[pinoymchan]

now that is patriotic - I love it when Americans come together and put to use their right to free speech which is protected by the constitution. There is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion - so why do so many government officicials and obama supporters complain about americans exercising their right to free speech?

[Boomer1949]

Those who are comparing this Insurance Reform Bill to Medicare or any other gov FUNDED health care service, haven't even read the first page of the bill. It's about providing affordable health insurance to everyone, not universal health care for all. Please read the bill, even the first 50 pages will inform you better than any web site, or tv personality will.

[schizophrenic2]

Those of you who want Government-run health care are ignoring several important factors. Here are 2 - due to limited space

1. Government-run medicare, medicaid, and social security are bankrupt.

2. you are ignoring those of us who do not want health-insurance, and don't want to pay for other ppl's.

Solution: Those who want it, band together in groups. You pay for yours and the ppls who can't afford it who want it. Now you have health insurance w/o Government.

[barrania2]

Look at the women @ 7:45. What a BEAUTY!

"Bla Bla Bla . . . Republicans. Bla Bla Bla . . Fox News." Give me a break.

[rockthejungle]

This is a quote from then Senator Obama on September 17, 2008 at a rally in Nevada.

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face," he said.

S.F. Chronicle

We are only doing what Obama wants you to do to us ,but we are turning the tables and doing it to you fools ...you have just been owned by a conservative.

[greenback001]

ObamaCare is not Health Care. It is neo eugenics and the creation of more beauracratic agencies in DC filled with individuals who are trying to take money from honest hard working Americans

[barrania2]

Look at the guy in the background @ 1:55 trying to shout over the protester who is being interviewed by the local TV station. Liberals are so classy.

[agnosticautonomy]

why not. Why are you telling me not to believe in the public option? Because it was proposed by dems?

[lovinlindyhop]

agnosticcautonomy, you don't have to take anyones word, you can read the bill and make up your own mind. I started reading it (the real bill, not just the summary) last night to prepare for my local town hall. It is chocked full of government double speak. Some segments are making me extremely uncomfortable, and I always trust my instincts in these situations. It is my  belief that politicians are more in love with power and c-o-n-t-r-o-l than they are with "helping" anyone.

[tntplatt]

I have tried 3 times to post a link for you from the Washington Post and this site doesn't like links. 7/19/09 the Post printed an article called Lawmakers Warned About Healthcare Costs. One of the authors was Lori Montgomery. That s/b more than enough for you to find in a google. Take particular note of the last sentence in paragraph 4. It states ..'House bill, which aims to cover 97 percent of Americans by 2015. '

Aims to cover 97% by 2015? Doesn't sound optionish to me.

[agnosticautonomy]

I saw the article. But the quote you are talking about is coming from fiscal conservatives not the CBO. If the CBO came out and said that this plan aims to cover 97% by 2015 then I think you have a valid argument.

[tntplatt]

Interesting. You'll believe the rhetoric spewed by proponents of the bill, but you won't believe quotes from 'fiscal conservatives'. Answer this one for me: if this is such a crisis and must be done in such a hurry, why doesn't the bulk of the plan take effect until 2013? Think about that time frame. We'll feel the pain of the plan and it's consequences, but not until after the next presidential election cycle. Hmmm. Interesting. Coincidence?

[agnosticautonomy]

Fiscal conservatives have a stake and are probably partisan. It is the same with the Liberal Dems. Thats why I pointed to the CBO being non-partisan

In regards to your question "why it wont take effect intil 2013," it is becasue they cant just hastily inact such a sweeping piece of legislation. If we wait a few years it might be too late becasue this timeframe of inacting such a sweeping piece of legislation will still have a similar timetable on it.

[lushfauna]

Nobody likes Nancy

[RickButts]

It's chilling to watch Pelosi and the liberal hack media roll up in blacked out SUVs (don't they have a huge carbon footprint?) and be whisked untouched by actual citizens into their staged liars forum...

[ryanshaunkelly]

Single payer Premium free Medicare for all Big Pharma on diet Zero insurance profit No deductible & no co-pay Off the table? Just like Impeachment was?! DNC & RNC have BOTH sold out the country in order to enrich themselves. Independents agree on more than we disagree. Beware the divide and conquer. (intellectual prostitution)

[BrinkmanTraining]

It is easy to tell that this is filmed in America. See how run down the area looks and how poverty stricken people appear. No you can not go inside..IT IS RESERVED FOR THE PRESS. Oh my..they have already won!

[tntplatt]

Brinkman, this is at 21st and Broadway. The northern end of Downtown Denver. It's not a slum, just urban jungle. Pelosi's press conference was held at the Colorado Coalition for the Homeless to tout stimulus $ projects.

[agnosticautonomy]

Death treats against congressmen, burning effigies, its scary, but it makes all the right wingers look crazy. Just out of touch with main stream America.

DO you like that your premiums have increased 119% since 1999? Is that what you want?! I mean get in touch with society. The people want it the people are going to get it. If you don't like it too bad! keep shouting on deaf ears and be out of touch. Just makes you and the likes look more crazy!

[tntplatt]

No, agnostic. You're not getting it. It's August recess for congress. The time when they should be back listening to the people they allegedly represent. What is Pelosi doing? Press conferences without public admittance FAR from her constituents. She isn't from Denver?! She is the one out of touch with society. She and her cronies. You, my friend, are a victim of the mainstream media. You have also lost touch with mainstream America.

[agnosticautonomy]

What Pelosi is doing is not acceptable and I do not support what she is doing. I agree that she should be in the GS addressing her constituents. There is no disagreement here.

[tntplatt]

Freedomworks and Americans for Prosperity happen to have some very good platforms, but I'll bet last month's paycheck that not a damn one of those protestors was bussed, funded or even contacted by either organization. They showed up on thier own. I've attended Tea Parties, and never once thought to get funded or transported by any organization as did none of the other participants. We are not saying reform isn't necessary, we're saying the government can't run 1/5 of our economy.

[agnosticautonomy]

You are not addressing that this is a PUBLIC OPTION. If the people do not want the public option they will be able to keep their private insurer. They will be able to keep their personal doctor. This is great for free market capitalism. The CBO has already said that having a public option will not take over the private sector. I understand that you do not want a public plan. Thats fine. Keep your private plan. But I would rather have a public plan that will lower my premiums.

[staginglt]

Read pg 16 of HR3200. You can only keep your private plan if  1) you *have* a private plan prior to this bill becoming law and/or 2) you don't make any changes to your plan after it becomes law.

I don't *currently* have health insurance. If I don't get it before it becomes law, then my only "option" is the gov't-run "option" by law. If you can't afford "adequate" health care, then you are TAXED! (pg167)

*I* want support for HSA's, tort reform, etc... *not* HR3200!

[agnosticautonomy]

Are these the people that the insurance companies are busing around?

[tntplatt]

Wow. How much are you being paid by the Obamanites? (See, I too can make unqualified assumptions. Works both ways.) Insurance companies are not busing anyone of those citizens in. There are many of us that feel this way. It is genuine, and it is founded in the information directly from HR 3200. Have you read the bill? Do you know what it means? How long have you been completely bamboozeled by this administration and the MSM?

[agnosticautonomy]

Americans for Prosperity and Freedomworks are funded by private corporations and the insurance industry. This is Fake Grassroots. They are not local constituents. They are busing people around the country. It has all already been uncovered. The Right wing gig is up.

Bob McDuffey Volunteer for freedomworks has come out stating "be disruptive early and often." He is not about having dialogue about heathcare he is about disrupting things.

[tntplatt]

Excellent job, Thornton. The staging of the crowd footage is priceless. The Obama chick with the ..'Medicare, they're still paying it...' is classic Dem mentality. Does this idiot realize 'they' means the US taxpayer? Does she realize the amount of fraud involved with Medicare?

[agnosticautonomy]

How do you know that was an Obama Staffer? She never said she was a staffer and I have seen no proof of this. Are you just believing what the poster of this video says?

[tntplatt]

Evidence tells me the scared looking women in suits were staffers. Probably Pelosi staffers. Protesters show up in comforable clothes and comfortable shoes knowing they'll be on the street corner for hours. They went to gather the stage Obamanites and pulled them to the front of the other protestors. Are you blind?

[agnosticautonomy]

So you are telling me you have no evidence only assumptions. Point made. thanks.

[tntplatt]

No. I'm telling you that you are making assumptions. I'm telling you that Nancy Pelosi is a lying bag of botox trying to save herself and the rest of the gang in DC that thinks they are American Royalty and that we are minions and serfs.  Wake up, Agnostic!

[Thornton912er]

I never said she was an Obama staffer. The facts are she had access to the back area of the clinic before durring and after Nancy Pelosi was there. If you watch the very end of the video this woman walks back into the clinic through the same door Pelosi used to enter and exit the clinic. It is indisputable that this woman went to get Obamacare supporters and she placed them in front of the anti-Obamacare protesters.

[CHEVEL67NI]

God damn do these people supporting Obamacare embarass me. Holy shit, I cant stand either party but damn these people are real morons.

[websuspect]

The people who Support the health care Bill all Look like Constituents and there holding professionally made signs. Come on people your missing the basic stuff.

[randygray]

you want healthcare? get a job

government robs from some to give to others, that is not the American way

[CHEVEL67NI]

You said it! Healthcare is not a right!

[isair81]

The lady at the end must be retarded.

Some guy asks her if she does her own research , and she says "Yes, i watch the news, and read the newspaper." oh i see.

So in other words she's as stupid as stupid gets if she bases her asumptions on what the talking heads on TV tells her.

[stevenbrown30240]

The protesters in this video make me proud to be an America. God bless you all. all you Obama sheeple need to wake up and wise up.

[DodgeVip3r]

So its basically a choice between the corrupt federal reserve paid gov. owning your healthcare or the big insurance company cartels. Thats democracy.

[brodudemonkey]

This * makes my stomach sick, I stand against tyranny.

[ScottishViking1977]

This is some of the best footage showing who's the hired help. The professional sign shows how disconnected these people are. "Medicare is broke"....."they are still paying it"..."they are still paying it".......way too much cool aid for that one"

Keep up the great work. Peace

[purechaos2000]

Egyptian... I agree to a point. Wars of empire and intervention are never good. The only just war is in defense of your country and by declaration of the people's representatives.

However, this is off topic. The topic here is health care "reform".

[ronquila]

Americans are a bunch of morons!!!

[FreedomsReigning]

/\ /\ /\ Swiss slave /\ /\ /\

Make a note of how the Swiss feel about America. It will come in useful when the EU collapses and the Swiss are standing over a pile of gold defended by eugenic scum.

[hushionc]

Sorry, I don't quite understand what you are saying. How do the Swiss feel about Americans?

[FreedomsReigning]

Notice that the "health care now" signs are professionally made, and the anti Obama signs are written in grease pen at home by real Americans.

[purechaos2000]

Yep.. I noticed it too. Real Americans are pissed off and against this. The other side has to pay people to be there to act as if they want it. That should tell a lot to people. Wonder how much is being spent in taxpayer dollars trying to sell this on the American people?

Thats another thing. Has anyone else noticed how Obama and his cronies have to go around and "sell" us on these ideas. I don't trust salesmen, because good things sell themselves and don't need a pitchman.

[mendern]

What makes you more of a real American than me?

Where were you during the last administration?

Open your eyes!

[purechaos2000]

I was out protesting the wars after 2003.. In 2000 I was warning people about Bush...

Where are you now that Obama is here perpetuating and ramping up the wars and re-authorizing all the trash Bush put through...

That is where I was and where I am... I figured out that the anti-war movement was BS..it was an anti-Bush movement.. Those people seem to give a crap less about war in reality..They are obviously OK with Obama doing it.

[mendern]

Unfortunately you're right.

I am disappointed that he actually increased military spending and continues many of his predecessors policies. There is no way a military victory can be achieved in Afghanistan. I've heard some say Afghanistan is to Obama what Iraq is to Bush (NPR I believe).

[purechaos2000]

Well... It seems to be getting even worse. Obama is not only sending more troops to Afghanistan, but he is now sending troops into Pakistan and sending thousands of national guardsmen to Iraq... But not a peep from the "anti-war" movement.. :/

[mendern]

He is after all he is still a politician. I think he wants to do more (still not enough for me), but politically he feels he can't. Remember all the crap he got when he scrapped the F22? (also another example of a small step).

I also agree that many people were anti Bush just to be anti Bush, which I also grew tired of. I'm anti Bush, Cheney and his cronies because of their policies and actions not just because.

I wish there was more coverage of legitimate criticisms such as that.

[purechaos2000]

Yep... Most people just don't get it.. Hopefully people wake up that both sides are bought and paid for and that politicians are in the profession of lying.

Just keep up the good fight man.. It's all we can do..

[mendern]

There is still a lot more change that NEEDS to happen in DC, but it seems the system is too corrupt. Although he is not perfect, I feel Obama truly wants to transform DC. I recommend reading The Audacity of Hope.

Don't be a Anti Obama just because

[purechaos2000]

I have read both his autobiographies.. Those alone make me question the guy. He is 46 years old and has TWO autobiographies? And both are a mix of fact and fiction (it even says so in the prefaces)..

I worry about this guy because of who he has surrounded himself with in the past and present. I have read a lot of his policy ideas and some are pretty much in direct violation of the constitution. He has been flat caught in so many lies. So was Bush.. I am not surprised by any of this stuff.

[mendern]

Which lies?

[purechaos2000]

No bills by lobbyists...

No lobbyists in administration...

No pork attached bills..

No new taxes for those making under $250K.. (tobacco tax / takeover of industry)..

He has lied about the two health care bills and their contents..

He lied about transparency..

He lied about not reauthorizing the patriot act..

He lied about ending the Iraq war...

A better question is.. When has he told the truth?

[witecracker2]

thank you for your outspoken truth,

more and more people are waking up to the truth that americas government is run by one big family of crooks...

the best way i can see a true change is to set term limits on every politician,after that they are gone!!!

oh by the way release all of them asap of their terms now and start over,...no exceptions

[phillynotebook]

Pelosi can get advice on terrorism from Obama's friend bill ayers, he bombed federal buildings just like mcveigh

[guitarplayer4real]

@purechaos2000 "I worry about this guy because of who he has surrounded himself with in the past and present"

You mean criminals? LOL, yea it was hard to see any of this coming. Take the vote away from gangbanger America and this would not have happened in the first place.

[GenevaPilgrim]

Mend: I agree he wants to change DC-it's the kind of change that scares me! And I do a ton of research. I'm also very familiar with Black Liberal Theology, (BLT) which is/was (?) his religion and everything he's doing goes exactly as James Cone (Founder of BLT) says it should. I'd recommend reading that. I don't dislike Obama-he is a very nice guy, I just think his philosophies are anti-constitution. NOT that BUSH's weren't. I'm just now waking up to the fact that I've been duped for too long.

[rlindsay23]

mendern...incoming message...

[mendern]

????????

[mendern]

I was going to go one by one but I have other things to do. I'll just say that in my view Obama's optimism hit DC's reality.

Although a few of those lie are debatable (Pork, Taxes, Transparency) and as I recall are claims by lazy media outlets.

I'm trying to remain optimistic about Obama (but not blindly) because its been a long time since there's been any effort to clean up the mess that is DC.

[mendern]

Maybe becasue they're educated and know how to use MS Word and Kinkos

[thimbleberryicecream]

Isn't it interesting that the only two politicians in history that had a "logo" have been Obama and Hitler. Can you think of any other? I can't. Why does obama need a logo. Is it to create this cult following?

[0o0oo0o]

In all of history?

What was Hitler's logo? And if you're referring to the swastika, that was the logo of his party.

[Thornton912er]

In his 1925 work Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler wrote that:

I myself, meanwhile, after innumerable attempts, had laid down a final form; a flag with a red background, a white disk, and a black swastika in the middle. After long trials I also found a definite proportion between the size of the flag and the size of the white disk, as well as the shape and thickness of the swastika.

[mendern]

It is ridiculous that you all are comparing Obama to Hitler. Have an original thought. Stop listening t talk radio/cable TV and the blogosphere. Do some research (from reputable sources) and make up your own mind.

[rlindsay23]

mendern, Your an idiot!!! Let's debate on pure facts and I promise you will lose. Serious facts only, you poor brainwashed loser, anytime your ready, facts only.

rlindsay23

[rlindsay23]

Just wondering if the United States adds 50 million more people to government health care, don't we need more doctors to over see these additional 50 million people? If you don't know, please ask your own personal physician what they think, because honestly, they know more than you.

Nephilim Killer rlindsay23

[mendern]

I would, but I don't have a personal Doctor...I can't afford the insurance.

Yes there is a shortage of nurses and doctors, but that is not an argument for not reforming health care.

Sounds more like an argument for creating incentives to go to med school.

What if our founding fathers said Ya we'd like to declare independence, but those English guys have a lot more soldiers than us, and think it would be too hard?

[mendern]

Judging by your response you're incapable of having a logical, rational,and respectful debate, so any effort to reason with you would be futile.

Your response also reinforces my point. Insults, generalizations, and stereotypes are the primary causes of the this so called health care reform debate.

If you'd like to engage me like an adult I might consider a dialogue with you.

Didn't your mom teach you how to play nice?

[Thornton912er]

Be careful with generalizations and labels. Stick to the facts.

[CLONG3]

Hey jack, google 2 for one teeth cause you grill is busted.