This usage is just like the Dai Xinyi shape "Hawk into Forest". Greetings friend. I am Barbara from the US's XY teacher. I always admire and respect you and your teacher Mr Zhou. Take care and be well.
His baji counter moves rely too much on steady attacks and long-periods exposed arms... can´t see how this moves would work EVEN against a layman martial artist.
i must say that the first tech. that he uses for entry is very proactive as it covers itself simultaneously defending and attacking but, as he grapples the leg he leaves himself way open. two hands around his thigh means no hands to defend his head and throat.
its video game character, that shoulder strike was available to akira's moveset(all might be, cause he was hyakyukken practitioner or bajiquan in chinese), believe me...akira yuki,from virtua fighter
I do not know Baji but I think of your hands in the defence must be fron outwards to inwards to get a position to not to be attacked by the oponent Sorry if I undetstood bad this vid
Well my SIFU and other SIFU that i have met told me that CLF is a mort artistic way of fighting, of course its a good martial art , but BAJI QUAN is the style of kung-fu that is 1st mission is to put your oponen on the ground with only 1 hit
Interestingly enough the japanese beat the clf and external fighters during the sino-japanese war. It was the internals and a few non internal like baji that beat the japanese. In fact the japanese respect for this style is so high that they have baji schools in japan. i've fought clf before and it's nothing special.
CLF: Surely you jest -- I've never spoken of nunchucks -- nor have I spoken of assailants.
It's too late I've already bowed and vouchsafed (given way) to your taintless bounty knowledge; you will have to find another way to retreat from your own magnanimity which I find myself humbly supplicant before.
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Here's a couple of Sanda Fighters getting "creamed" by American Fighters -- Of course these are the "worst" Sanda fighters in China or whatever "other" excuse you come up with.
sanda is kung fu alot of sanda fighters do different forms of traditional kung fu the last time we had american kick boxing vs chinese team americans got thrashed n this was a national competition go look it up americans r just jealous they do not have ne form of martial arts so they need to go aorund n talk shit on the internet oh yea fuk tibet while ur at it fuk kosovo n chechyna ur wat 38 years old and ur still talking shit on the inetrnet u must make liek wat less than 20k a year
No -- I'm talkin' shyt...I just posted a couple of videos to back up what I was saying -- those were national champions by-the-by.
Yeah -- It's because of high integrity that Chinese never make it far in Boxing or MMA tournaments yet Americans (who love "real" Kung Fu by-the-by) come all the way over there to defeat the best 2B can produce.
A "Free" China would produce and at one time historically produced the greatest fighters -- but, some how they started swallowing Gov't Bean Curd.
uh shoot boxings just an entertainment circut uve got to be an idiot if u think shoot boxing represents national tournamnet n the other video involving the fat guy that fat guy was just sum student still learning china beat america every single time on the national kick boxing challenges while their at it they also beat the god of ring sports the thais on 4 seperate occasion whole the thai only won 1 competiton
ur just a jealous american cuz americans never had their own martial art so like all american u ahve to make fun of wat u dun have we dun make it we shame just about everyone that was sent to us on the national competitions as boxing 2 guys only using punches is not very apealing n mma is just a shit circut its so small only a minority of the american population even knows about it let alone the wolrds population ppl would have better reconition if they entered the IKF
Sound: China got everything from India -- everyone knows most of the best chinese fighting arts either went up into Mongolia or mostly went down into Indonesia, Brunei, and Thailand.
"Americans" actually have many indigenous fighting arts, American Indian that is.
Unless by American you mean "white" -- I'm not "white" so there's a little problem.
That being said the Celtic and Germanic Tribes all had indigenous fighting arts -- all countries did.
shaolin kung fu had sum indian origins but everything else was made by the chinese aside from a few minority styles n europeans adbandoned almost all their art 4 the use of firearm
Sound: I don't have time to prove you wrong -- suffice it too say you do not know the history of 2B people anymore than you know the history of 700M europeans -- it is prepostorous to say they "threw" out their art forms -- truth be told they went "underground."
I'm black-cuban-irish and I was taught as a child the indigenous fighting styles of those people -- you woult not know of them; because you can't know everyones history.
mma isnt a sport mma is marketed as enetrtainment they depend on teenage redneck kids 4 revenues if mma was a sport they would have an international league like the IKF or WBO n me being a communist y would i live in america if i like communism so much use ur head n stop talkin shit on youtube r u mad cuz the content of ur wallet is small
these fighters arent even national champions they do not represent there r low levels everywhere u can go to art of war n watch countless ameircans gettin beat by sanda fighters ne1 can use propaganda
this is the first application of this art that really impressed me. i never thought much of it based on my (lacking) research and no actual experience. amazing!
i hate those MMA fanboy try to down kung-fu...if you are mixed marial artist you must also appriciate some of kung-fu moves, your obviously say you are MIXED MARTIAL ARTS,so if you really apply this principle you must also learn some part of kung-fu arts instead of downing it...so mixed martial arts means you have to mixed some variety of martial arts
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Chinese Kungfu is rediculous, 80% of it.
They never ever win MMA, why? Because they talk and analyse and use really strange logic like: "Dragon Silk reeling always destroys Dolphin in Plum sauce," I'm like, whoa man, have you had Dolphin in Plum Sauce, besides when Gandalf fell in Moiria (for like 8 hours) how did he wind up on a mouthain top? Because "middle earth" is related to "hollow earth" theory (Tibetans know this) and why China dominates them, Tibetans guard passage to Moiria!!!
i agree that a lot of traditional martial arts can be rediculous, in the way that they are practiced. but the same can be said of MMA. People look at the UFC and see it as the ultimate test of a style/fighter. It's still a sport, there are no groin strikes, no eye gouging, no biting, no dropping your elbow into the back of someone's head/spine when they shoot. Everything has its limitations, because you can't fully train without hurting people, which doesn't make it rediculous.
Dawei: The UFC people are not using groin strikes, eye gouging, biting, and they did used to drop elbows to the back of the head. I'm saying this in response to the notion that "dirty" fighting cannot be learned is short order. I train MMA and Street Fighting, the only difference is what you mentioned and it only takes a little bit of training to get the MMA guy to be ruthless. What I'm saying is the core of what Kung Fu trains is off, its in the mechanics. I have over 12 years in each community
Dawei: Look at the people in an average kung fu school, they are D&D types, un-coordinated office workers -- they are not the "raw" fighters of yester-year. My first kung fu style was Wing Chun (12 years) and my instructor used to fight No Holds Bared (in the 70's early 80's when there were only two rules, no biting or gouging) so our training methods were very practical. He trained local wrestlers and this added a level of realism that you just don't find in regular Wing Chun schools.
Dawei: Lastly, my point is that there is a responsibility on the part of the master to keep his system updated, this "antiquity" approach is a by-product of communism/fuedalism over the last 100 or more years. The "tradition" used to be "change" the forms were an expression of the master not a religious rite, each master createda form to represent his "style of change" not to be practiced by future students. Every student was to create one, like a signature! The "real" training was more like MMA
I'd like t see an MMA pratictioner try his hand at fighting a silat practitioner no holds barred.
You challenge a silat practitioner to no holds barred you better be prepared to stare death in the face. Silat is all about breaking limbs, blows to the spine and throat, and hurting your foe as much as possible as fast as possible. Not to mention over 50% of silat's techniques are countermoves.
Cheezeofages: Kung Fu, Silat, Aikido, and all Bullshido styles rely on being "so powerful and dangerous" that they can never be shown, less the audience have arterial spray (like a Galagher concert) all over them and how is that going to sell to little Johnny and little Suzy (not at all my friend). Hahahahaha.
Silat looks cool -- all systems teach: eye gouge, balls strike, throat chop,fishhooks, and finger/wrist breaks.
"MMA" gives the people a chance to see the "base" athleticism.
Cheeze: (continued) The only difference from one style to the next is how the "lethal" moves are delivered and how (if they even bother) they deal with weapons and mob fighting.
Are you telling me a person training 5 days per week (3 hours per day) in a good MMA school is going to lose to a spongey office worker training Silat twice per week? Of course not. Are you saying that the MMA guy cannot learn in short order the "lethal" techniques, course not.
Working on an uneven base there, aren't you? If a MMA fighter trains 3 hours a day 5 days a week, of course he is going to beat someone doing the regular 1.5 hours twice a week, it stands to reason. And the same would be true the other way around. Now, when two people of the same build and ability train two separate combat systems for the same amount of time, we have a base for discussion. As for which system is best... that's another discussion.
Vikverjar: Good Point. I'm really only making Bruce Lee's argument, who was an MMA practisioner extraordinare, smile.
If I rolled a barrel up hill 2-hours per day and you Wrestled 4-hours per day and the event was barrel rolling (ceteris peribus) I'm going to win.
If you perform less relevant work more of the time (like forms training) or un-realistic two-man sparring drills, and I train boxing for 1/8 that amount of time AND the event is boxing (ceteris peribus) I'm going to win.
Again, you are comparing things that are a bit slanted, yes? That's like saying if I practiced shaolin forms and drills 1/8th of the time you practiced judo sparring, or randori, and the event was Shaolin... Now, if you practiced tennis for 3 hours every day, and I practiced baseball 3h/day, and the event was bicycling, who would win? I agree that a lot of the classical martial arts have become sports, or stylized forms with music, so the combative aspects have dwindled away. At their-
conception, the forming of the forms, so to speak, it was the most suitable way of teaching, since they did not have all the equipment, armor and sparring gear we have today. Perhaps if they did have all that back then, things would be very different. Also, some believe that forms, or schools should be run the old way, out of respect or a desire to keep things original, perhaps forgetting that forms changed and evolved over time. 200 years ago there were no practical handgrenades, for instance-
so someone trained 200 years ago wouldn't know how to deal with such tactics. I am not saying the old forms are useless, far from it, but they dealt with people who trained and fought in the same manner. Now, if you want a real interesting topic, consider the greco-roman wrestlers who fought and died at the arena, and match one of those veterans, that is, those that were not crippled or killed but won their matches, against today's MMA fighters. By roman rules, the MMA guy probably wouldn't-
make it, and the greco-roman wrestler would be disqualified and probably banned by MMA rules. Even MMA is limited on the street, since MMA fighters are trained to avoid groinshots, eyegouging, and other things that might be the first choice of tactics for some street thug. Hopefully neither of us will truly learn what style means the difference between life and death like the old ones did.
Viki: Tennis would better prepare you for bicycling (assuming both of you were just as skilled at riding a bike and that your cardio and torque strength were the same from the beginning). Tennis builds far more powerful leg muscles then baseball which only have certain players at a time.
Better than tennis would be basketball and better than basketball would be soccer (ceteris peribus) if the goal was cycling.
Speedskating would probably be the best of all, as it truly isolates the quads
I'm just glad that they only put up the "low level" stuff so the imperialist swine only learn garbage -- hahaha. Keep the purity solely for Chinese People.
*sighs in pleasure* its so wonderful and refreshing to see when someone actually knows the full transcendence and strategic use of the techniques. lovely.
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this is sh7t try doin tht in a real fight would b very hard to do i wish people would stop tryin teach people moves tht are not street pratical just so they can look gd
wut are u talking about. bajiquan is very famous for its practical applications. if u look up the history of bajiquan (check out wikipedia dot org) you'll note that this technique is popular among body guards and other such jobs.
also, bajiquan is known for being brutal, ignoring fancy crap thats just meant to, as u say, "look gd"
No dude, Bajiquan is actually pretty effective(i do muay thai and bjj i don't believe in katas and all that BS) i have used that move twice in a real fight, shit i didn't even learn it from a teacher, i learnt it from akira in virtua fighter 4 and that stuff works, because people never expect you to do that, you just have to be bold enough to do it
o right ye my bjj instructor who used 2 b a bouncer says the same thing ti isnt always about how hard u hit them but hitting them with a move they totally unexpect gets a greater result.
Katas and any forms practice in different martial arts have deeper meanings besides for show. I used to believe they were useless, until somehow figure they contain a deeper meaning for the art.
It is all on how u learn things. Some can visualize a simulated fight in Kata, while someone like me personally would rather learn from improvising in sparing.
I see how others would use forms in their ways. Keep in mind, for those who want to use them in sparring tournaments, must be careful for some forms may bear techniques that can seriously injure or kill one or may opponents.
Yeah no joke. I have a friend who used to study this weird form of martial arts that involved hitting pressure points on the body (Fist of the North Star shit). Anyway he was in a difficult tournament fight, and he hit the guy right in the chest- stopped the guy's heart from pumping for a second, almost killed him.
Let me guess, your friend was inspired by that anime, and he started to take lessons to kill a person. Honestly, he should had at least known to avoid deadly techniques in combat sports.
I was taught how to fight from forms, my evading, shielding, covering, striking skills all came from form work. I'm able to spar effectively because of forms....
Wow very cool. since I started learning kung fu about a year ago, I've wanted to learn Baji Quan but there isn't anyone who teaches it where I live :\ Looks like a lot of fun. Did you guys do any sparring??
guys you are very lucky, your teacher is great! I am going to Mengcun to train if evrything works out. Maybe next time I could go to Tianjin, keep it up!
Fedor would ko him.
MrLinder 6 months ago
This usage is just like the Dai Xinyi shape "Hawk into Forest". Greetings friend. I am Barbara from the US's XY teacher. I always admire and respect you and your teacher Mr Zhou. Take care and be well.
DaiBoxer 8 months ago
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watching this video DID remind me more of Akira than Leo. Akira is like a fucking freight train with his style of Bajiquan
linux750 8 months ago
this is sooooo fuckin cool!
kenseisato1989 10 months ago
i'm a tekken fan but, talking about bajiquan, i have to admit that akira whoops leo's ass
demoniosinalas 10 months ago 2
這位師傅可否說說貼山靠的勁法怎麼練?
GyroZepplin 1 year ago
His baji counter moves rely too much on steady attacks and long-periods exposed arms... can´t see how this moves would work EVEN against a layman martial artist.
Azfargh 1 year ago
around 48 -- doesn't he leave his neck exposed?
xxscooterxx 1 year ago
When he showed that first move at :08 , I thought of Leo from Tekken doing 1+2 while rising!
seansocheap 1 year ago
@seansocheap That's because Leo is essentially using Bajin Quan/Hakkyoken.
paddymoep 1 year ago
Fuck leo, Akira is the Bajiquan badass of videogaming.
ShiroKreuz 1 year ago 7
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i agree :)
hotshahzrulz 1 year ago
@ShiroKreuz you mean gen fu from dead or alive
cfG21 1 year ago
No.
ShiroKreuz 1 year ago
@ShiroKreuz i wasn't talking about baji i meant as an all fighter since mr fu uses xing yi
cfG21 1 year ago
Oh yeah, well he's good at what he does lol
ShiroKreuz 1 year ago
@ShiroKreuz
watching this video DID remind me more of Akira than Leo. Akira is like a fucking freight train with his style of Bajiquan
linux750 8 months ago
东莞有没有任何八极拳管。。。?
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I live in san jose in ca where i can learn bajiquan?
wonderfultiger 1 year ago
I live in san jose in ca where i can learn bajiquan?
wonderfultiger 1 year ago
he talks so fast >.<
izzadi 1 year ago
Very good explained and demonstraited.
qazwsxedcrfvg123 1 year ago
Leo does those moves on Tekken 6 :D
LeoTekkenfan 1 year ago
i must say that the first tech. that he uses for entry is very proactive as it covers itself simultaneously defending and attacking but, as he grapples the leg he leaves himself way open. two hands around his thigh means no hands to defend his head and throat.
opticannon 1 year ago
@ 0:09, akira moves
asyo22 2 years ago
damn right
sonicsnake9 2 years ago
akira? this was made b4 the japanese attempt of martial arts...
Hungry4Tacos 1 year ago
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its video game character, that shoulder strike was available to akira's moveset(all might be, cause he was hyakyukken practitioner or bajiquan in chinese), believe me...akira yuki,from virtua fighter
asyo22 1 year ago
Chinese styles will be always the most complete in martial arts. u.u No ofenses.
robertvoice 2 years ago
I do not know Baji but I think of your hands in the defence must be fron outwards to inwards to get a position to not to be attacked by the oponent Sorry if I undetstood bad this vid
frater 2 years ago
Well my SIFU and other SIFU that i have met told me that CLF is a mort artistic way of fighting, of course its a good martial art , but BAJI QUAN is the style of kung-fu that is 1st mission is to put your oponen on the ground with only 1 hit
mrcooki3 2 years ago
Interestingly enough the japanese beat the clf and external fighters during the sino-japanese war. It was the internals and a few non internal like baji that beat the japanese. In fact the japanese respect for this style is so high that they have baji schools in japan. i've fought clf before and it's nothing special.
cfG21 2 years ago
CLF: Surely you jest -- I've never spoken of nunchucks -- nor have I spoken of assailants.
It's too late I've already bowed and vouchsafed (given way) to your taintless bounty knowledge; you will have to find another way to retreat from your own magnanimity which I find myself humbly supplicant before.
By-your-leave my Grace
By my Troth I am off
*gallops away*
OctoBox 3 years ago
CLF: You are a man/woman of deep understanding and wisdom -- your peerless eyes have penetrated my psychological defenses.
In the land of the blind the one eyed dwarf is king
OctoBox 3 years ago
where have i heard that line...
Khorne177 2 years ago
"In the land of the blind the one eyed [man] is king" -- In regione caecorum rex est luscus -- Erasmus.
I used "dwarf" to create a greater dichotomy (increase the sarcasm) while dealing with that idiot below, haha.
You may have also heard it here:
-- watch?v=XraulmM0ReI
OctoBox 2 years ago
Minority Report?
Khorne177 2 years ago
CLF -- Nice attitude
GoGoOcto 3 years ago
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Here's a couple of Sanda Fighters getting "creamed" by American Fighters -- Of course these are the "worst" Sanda fighters in China or whatever "other" excuse you come up with.
youtube com/watch?v=Dzx8diCwI-M&feature=related
youtube com/watch?v=sKd-mB2vIdI
OctoBox 3 years ago
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What makes a fighter great has to do with training tactics.
Sanda Fighters would cream most all forms of Kung Fu -- because they are practical.
And Americans will defeat most top Chinese Fighters because we are "freer"
If the Chinese were a "free" people then they would come up in ranks -- in the fighting world.
You have to have something worth fighting for.
Free Tibet
Ron Paul 2012
OctoBox 3 years ago
sanda is kung fu alot of sanda fighters do different forms of traditional kung fu the last time we had american kick boxing vs chinese team americans got thrashed n this was a national competition go look it up americans r just jealous they do not have ne form of martial arts so they need to go aorund n talk shit on the internet oh yea fuk tibet while ur at it fuk kosovo n chechyna ur wat 38 years old and ur still talking shit on the inetrnet u must make liek wat less than 20k a year
SoundwaveSuperior373 3 years ago
No -- I'm talkin' shyt...I just posted a couple of videos to back up what I was saying -- those were national champions by-the-by.
Yeah -- It's because of high integrity that Chinese never make it far in Boxing or MMA tournaments yet Americans (who love "real" Kung Fu by-the-by) come all the way over there to defeat the best 2B can produce.
A "Free" China would produce and at one time historically produced the greatest fighters -- but, some how they started swallowing Gov't Bean Curd.
GoGoOcto 3 years ago
uh shoot boxings just an entertainment circut uve got to be an idiot if u think shoot boxing represents national tournamnet n the other video involving the fat guy that fat guy was just sum student still learning china beat america every single time on the national kick boxing challenges while their at it they also beat the god of ring sports the thais on 4 seperate occasion whole the thai only won 1 competiton
SoundwaveSuperior373 3 years ago
ur just a jealous american cuz americans never had their own martial art so like all american u ahve to make fun of wat u dun have we dun make it we shame just about everyone that was sent to us on the national competitions as boxing 2 guys only using punches is not very apealing n mma is just a shit circut its so small only a minority of the american population even knows about it let alone the wolrds population ppl would have better reconition if they entered the IKF
SoundwaveSuperior373 3 years ago
Sound: China got everything from India -- everyone knows most of the best chinese fighting arts either went up into Mongolia or mostly went down into Indonesia, Brunei, and Thailand.
"Americans" actually have many indigenous fighting arts, American Indian that is.
Unless by American you mean "white" -- I'm not "white" so there's a little problem.
That being said the Celtic and Germanic Tribes all had indigenous fighting arts -- all countries did.
Japan sure did huh?
GoGoOcto 3 years ago
shaolin kung fu had sum indian origins but everything else was made by the chinese aside from a few minority styles n europeans adbandoned almost all their art 4 the use of firearm
SoundwaveSuperior373 3 years ago
Sound: I don't have time to prove you wrong -- suffice it too say you do not know the history of 2B people anymore than you know the history of 700M europeans -- it is prepostorous to say they "threw" out their art forms -- truth be told they went "underground."
I'm black-cuban-irish and I was taught as a child the indigenous fighting styles of those people -- you woult not know of them; because you can't know everyones history.
GoGoOcto 3 years ago
mma isnt a sport mma is marketed as enetrtainment they depend on teenage redneck kids 4 revenues if mma was a sport they would have an international league like the IKF or WBO n me being a communist y would i live in america if i like communism so much use ur head n stop talkin shit on youtube r u mad cuz the content of ur wallet is small
SoundwaveSuperior373 3 years ago
these fighters arent even national champions they do not represent there r low levels everywhere u can go to art of war n watch countless ameircans gettin beat by sanda fighters ne1 can use propaganda
SoundwaveSuperior373 3 years ago
I knew you'd say that -- that's why I prefaced my comment that way. It's always the same with Communists.
"F" the Tibetans huh -- nice :) It's that compassion that has you living in a Nanny State.
GoGoOcto 3 years ago
this guy puts miaogi to shame.
amotisi8859 3 years ago
Hey. A Good master. Show the execute and the counter as well. Good video for sharing!
Ming1975 3 years ago
Woah, power increasing techniques, good for against bigger guys while Pigua uses parries and swipes together, good against faster guys
dapithapon 3 years ago
晕,刚看完 你后边写得 ,还红毛星星,唉,难道你不知道人身长等于臂展吗 ,你让上边得徒弟抓师傅 绰绰有余
gsyjojo 3 years ago
难道你不知道胳膊往两边伸张伸直就根本没有力气吗?就不得劲。
台湾的八极拳只是一支,怎能说是正宗呢?多看点大陆的。
还不要忘记这是一个很慢的示范。
jingang 3 years ago
哈哈,有人回帖,我只是感觉,我不是练八级得,看的事台湾那边的
gsyjojo 3 years ago
不怎么样,不正宗 用头那段,在大内八极拳里 可以右手抓脚跟,左手从头得位置往对方身后压
gsyjojo 3 years ago
吴秀峰的系。。。不会比他更正宗。功夫是千变万化才是正宗,拘泥于固定的招法才会失去它的真心。我们也练你所说的那个摔法,你不认识我们练的才能证明你所学的不是正宗或者你的师傅不叫你们。
继续练吧慢慢就会学全部的啊,别急
一手在脚跟一手在他的头,胳膊怎么这么长?红毛星星练八极吗?!
jingang 3 years ago
Quan Chi @ @
noruby5764 3 years ago
this is the first application of this art that really impressed me. i never thought much of it based on my (lacking) research and no actual experience. amazing!
thanks for sharing.
smokefan1420 3 years ago
i hate those MMA fanboy try to down kung-fu...if you are mixed marial artist you must also appriciate some of kung-fu moves, your obviously say you are MIXED MARTIAL ARTS,so if you really apply this principle you must also learn some part of kung-fu arts instead of downing it...so mixed martial arts means you have to mixed some variety of martial arts
asyo22 3 years ago
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Assho22: "hate" is a powerful emotion -- you should get more "peace" out of your Temple Kung Fu - hahahaha.
OctoBox 3 years ago
alot of mixed martial artists only look to Muay Thai, Boxing, Kickboxing, wrestling, or jiujitsu to get what they want.
However, I am forming my own Jeet Kune Do to use when I begin my MMA career.
GreatestCreation909 3 years ago
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Chinese Kungfu is rediculous, 80% of it.
They never ever win MMA, why? Because they talk and analyse and use really strange logic like: "Dragon Silk reeling always destroys Dolphin in Plum sauce," I'm like, whoa man, have you had Dolphin in Plum Sauce, besides when Gandalf fell in Moiria (for like 8 hours) how did he wind up on a mouthain top? Because "middle earth" is related to "hollow earth" theory (Tibetans know this) and why China dominates them, Tibetans guard passage to Moiria!!!
OctoBox 3 years ago
i agree that a lot of traditional martial arts can be rediculous, in the way that they are practiced. but the same can be said of MMA. People look at the UFC and see it as the ultimate test of a style/fighter. It's still a sport, there are no groin strikes, no eye gouging, no biting, no dropping your elbow into the back of someone's head/spine when they shoot. Everything has its limitations, because you can't fully train without hurting people, which doesn't make it rediculous.
Dawei3 3 years ago 2
Dawei: The UFC people are not using groin strikes, eye gouging, biting, and they did used to drop elbows to the back of the head. I'm saying this in response to the notion that "dirty" fighting cannot be learned is short order. I train MMA and Street Fighting, the only difference is what you mentioned and it only takes a little bit of training to get the MMA guy to be ruthless. What I'm saying is the core of what Kung Fu trains is off, its in the mechanics. I have over 12 years in each community
OctoBox 3 years ago
Dawei: Look at the people in an average kung fu school, they are D&D types, un-coordinated office workers -- they are not the "raw" fighters of yester-year. My first kung fu style was Wing Chun (12 years) and my instructor used to fight No Holds Bared (in the 70's early 80's when there were only two rules, no biting or gouging) so our training methods were very practical. He trained local wrestlers and this added a level of realism that you just don't find in regular Wing Chun schools.
OctoBox 3 years ago
Dawei: Lastly, my point is that there is a responsibility on the part of the master to keep his system updated, this "antiquity" approach is a by-product of communism/fuedalism over the last 100 or more years. The "tradition" used to be "change" the forms were an expression of the master not a religious rite, each master createda form to represent his "style of change" not to be practiced by future students. Every student was to create one, like a signature! The "real" training was more like MMA
OctoBox 3 years ago
I'd like t see an MMA pratictioner try his hand at fighting a silat practitioner no holds barred.
You challenge a silat practitioner to no holds barred you better be prepared to stare death in the face. Silat is all about breaking limbs, blows to the spine and throat, and hurting your foe as much as possible as fast as possible. Not to mention over 50% of silat's techniques are countermoves.
cheezeofages 3 years ago
Cheezeofages: Kung Fu, Silat, Aikido, and all Bullshido styles rely on being "so powerful and dangerous" that they can never be shown, less the audience have arterial spray (like a Galagher concert) all over them and how is that going to sell to little Johnny and little Suzy (not at all my friend). Hahahahaha.
Silat looks cool -- all systems teach: eye gouge, balls strike, throat chop,fishhooks, and finger/wrist breaks.
"MMA" gives the people a chance to see the "base" athleticism.
OctoBox 3 years ago
Cheeze: (continued) The only difference from one style to the next is how the "lethal" moves are delivered and how (if they even bother) they deal with weapons and mob fighting.
Are you telling me a person training 5 days per week (3 hours per day) in a good MMA school is going to lose to a spongey office worker training Silat twice per week? Of course not. Are you saying that the MMA guy cannot learn in short order the "lethal" techniques, course not.
Post a good Silat Link, so we can see
OctoBox 3 years ago
Working on an uneven base there, aren't you? If a MMA fighter trains 3 hours a day 5 days a week, of course he is going to beat someone doing the regular 1.5 hours twice a week, it stands to reason. And the same would be true the other way around. Now, when two people of the same build and ability train two separate combat systems for the same amount of time, we have a base for discussion. As for which system is best... that's another discussion.
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Vikverjar 3 years ago 2
Vikverjar: Good Point. I'm really only making Bruce Lee's argument, who was an MMA practisioner extraordinare, smile.
If I rolled a barrel up hill 2-hours per day and you Wrestled 4-hours per day and the event was barrel rolling (ceteris peribus) I'm going to win.
If you perform less relevant work more of the time (like forms training) or un-realistic two-man sparring drills, and I train boxing for 1/8 that amount of time AND the event is boxing (ceteris peribus) I'm going to win.
OctoBox 3 years ago
Again, you are comparing things that are a bit slanted, yes? That's like saying if I practiced shaolin forms and drills 1/8th of the time you practiced judo sparring, or randori, and the event was Shaolin... Now, if you practiced tennis for 3 hours every day, and I practiced baseball 3h/day, and the event was bicycling, who would win? I agree that a lot of the classical martial arts have become sports, or stylized forms with music, so the combative aspects have dwindled away. At their-
Vikverjar 3 years ago
conception, the forming of the forms, so to speak, it was the most suitable way of teaching, since they did not have all the equipment, armor and sparring gear we have today. Perhaps if they did have all that back then, things would be very different. Also, some believe that forms, or schools should be run the old way, out of respect or a desire to keep things original, perhaps forgetting that forms changed and evolved over time. 200 years ago there were no practical handgrenades, for instance-
Vikverjar 3 years ago
so someone trained 200 years ago wouldn't know how to deal with such tactics. I am not saying the old forms are useless, far from it, but they dealt with people who trained and fought in the same manner. Now, if you want a real interesting topic, consider the greco-roman wrestlers who fought and died at the arena, and match one of those veterans, that is, those that were not crippled or killed but won their matches, against today's MMA fighters. By roman rules, the MMA guy probably wouldn't-
Vikverjar 3 years ago
make it, and the greco-roman wrestler would be disqualified and probably banned by MMA rules. Even MMA is limited on the street, since MMA fighters are trained to avoid groinshots, eyegouging, and other things that might be the first choice of tactics for some street thug. Hopefully neither of us will truly learn what style means the difference between life and death like the old ones did.
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Vikverjar 3 years ago
Viki: Tennis would better prepare you for bicycling (assuming both of you were just as skilled at riding a bike and that your cardio and torque strength were the same from the beginning). Tennis builds far more powerful leg muscles then baseball which only have certain players at a time.
Better than tennis would be basketball and better than basketball would be soccer (ceteris peribus) if the goal was cycling.
Speedskating would probably be the best of all, as it truly isolates the quads
OctoBox 3 years ago
its is only ridiculous when western conmen desecrate it go to china where its still alive go pick a fight with sum sanda guys u will get brutalized
SoundwaveSuperior373 3 years ago
I'm just glad that they only put up the "low level" stuff so the imperialist swine only learn garbage -- hahaha. Keep the purity solely for Chinese People.
OctoBox 3 years ago
*sighs in pleasure* its so wonderful and refreshing to see when someone actually knows the full transcendence and strategic use of the techniques. lovely.
Joninsho 3 years ago
Such an awkward yet effective move...he defends with his right and crushes in with his left boy...awesome!
Kuthroat 3 years ago
It may not look pretty, but it's effective.
"Kung Fu that looks good does not work." - Bruce Lee
;)
DaMartialMan 3 years ago
This is just great!
Thanks for posting your teachers stuff. Looks like you guys are on the right path
mixjourneyman 4 years ago 2
spunky shifu that you have there
cfG21 4 years ago
good stuff!!
codeagent47 4 years ago
Nice video! How I always imagined Bajiquan to be:)
Pecherin72 4 years ago
great video! i love baji, but usually practice it contemporary taolu style. this application is great!
jamescardinell 4 years ago
now that was PAUL from TEKKEN. awesome!
stardelta12 4 years ago
dude i freaking wish the techniques Master Zhou is demonstrating were in Tekken...preferably in Xiaoyu's movelist, o god she'd be broken.
good stuff, time to forward all your vids to a friend of mine interested in picking up the martial arts.
YukioSumadera 4 years ago
You should know that Julia also uses bajiquan for her arsenal, and now Leo is the series's sole bajiquan practioner.
6arcsn1sky 3 years ago
Very nice. Glad to see some good Baji videos on youtube.
Doroboneko 4 years ago
I enjoy your sifu's teaching approach, enthusiasm, and emphasis on the way the techniques apply to actual situations.
WarriorBoy 4 years ago 2
Thanks guys. I'm glad you all like the videos. Mr.Zhou is a great teacher and I enjoy studying from him very much.
jingang 4 years ago
Damn, this is good stuff!
eastpaw 4 years ago
Don't underestimate Baji, practitioners aim for speed and power of a particular technique and we develop it all through qigong
zah1984 4 years ago
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this is sh7t try doin tht in a real fight would b very hard to do i wish people would stop tryin teach people moves tht are not street pratical just so they can look gd
DoomCatcher 4 years ago
wut are u talking about. bajiquan is very famous for its practical applications. if u look up the history of bajiquan (check out wikipedia dot org) you'll note that this technique is popular among body guards and other such jobs.
also, bajiquan is known for being brutal, ignoring fancy crap thats just meant to, as u say, "look gd"
fallenangei 4 years ago 3
No dude, Bajiquan is actually pretty effective(i do muay thai and bjj i don't believe in katas and all that BS) i have used that move twice in a real fight, shit i didn't even learn it from a teacher, i learnt it from akira in virtua fighter 4 and that stuff works, because people never expect you to do that, you just have to be bold enough to do it
Rooseveltdunn 3 years ago
o right ye my bjj instructor who used 2 b a bouncer says the same thing ti isnt always about how hard u hit them but hitting them with a move they totally unexpect gets a greater result.
DoomCatcher 3 years ago
hahahaha...did you use dragon lance combo
asyo22 3 years ago
Katas and any forms practice in different martial arts have deeper meanings besides for show. I used to believe they were useless, until somehow figure they contain a deeper meaning for the art.
6arcsn1sky 2 years ago
It is all on how u learn things. Some can visualize a simulated fight in Kata, while someone like me personally would rather learn from improvising in sparing.
Franzy3000 2 years ago
I see how others would use forms in their ways. Keep in mind, for those who want to use them in sparring tournaments, must be careful for some forms may bear techniques that can seriously injure or kill one or may opponents.
6arcsn1sky 2 years ago
Yeah no joke. I have a friend who used to study this weird form of martial arts that involved hitting pressure points on the body (Fist of the North Star shit). Anyway he was in a difficult tournament fight, and he hit the guy right in the chest- stopped the guy's heart from pumping for a second, almost killed him.
Franzy3000 2 years ago
Let me guess, your friend was inspired by that anime, and he started to take lessons to kill a person. Honestly, he should had at least known to avoid deadly techniques in combat sports.
6arcsn1sky 2 years ago 3
Veeeeery scary. Now could you two tell us the one about Little Red Riding Hood?
CarNikolaj 2 years ago
Why are you going out of subject?
6arcsn1sky 2 years ago
I am staying on the subject. We were talking about fables.
CarNikolaj 2 years ago
Fables such as?
6arcsn1sky 2 years ago
I was taught how to fight from forms, my evading, shielding, covering, striking skills all came from form work. I'm able to spar effectively because of forms....
timoxe 2 years ago
this guy is great '' gen wu gong
shaolinkid81 4 years ago
Wow very cool. since I started learning kung fu about a year ago, I've wanted to learn Baji Quan but there isn't anyone who teaches it where I live :\ Looks like a lot of fun. Did you guys do any sparring??
frostydisco 4 years ago
Nice one!
Tunks1 4 years ago
guys you are very lucky, your teacher is great! I am going to Mengcun to train if evrything works out. Maybe next time I could go to Tianjin, keep it up!
Tianshanwarrior 4 years ago
Very nice vid, thanks for the translation ...
BajiFreak 4 years ago
No kidding. I was always wondering how one would use this. Now I know!
SubaruSama 4 years ago
Thanks!
Nomad101 4 years ago
this is great
GrassMonkey 4 years ago