I lived in China for a year and the overall impression confirmed after watching all this history here is a lack of real directed thought and certitude. 1911-49 was on long tug of war with numerous missed opportunities.
The horror of communism and the flaws in Marxism weren't as clear approaching 1949 and indeed the Soviet system was to do fairly well for a while once Stalin was out the way.
But it just seems that with a little more foresight the Americans could have looked ahead to the Japanese defeat and what would likely happen. They could easily have had Mao and the communists bombed- instead they armed them against the Japanese.
Was there a thought to let Mao win to control the Japanese in the future?
this video is old hat. read a more recent evaluation based on more recent evidence from jay taylor, who served in the state department in hong kong during the cultural revolution. do a youtube search or read the washington post book review (or even better, read the book.)
the sad thing about these leaders they start out impressing people with hope of change. They go behind and take money aland and use the poor for personal gains Im not so sure they wanted freedom as much as to rule and control money influence prestige. Look up the soong family they were all in it to control money and power. the sad part u.s. money funded the failure and millions died and then Mao and millions died only death brought there freedom
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Mao was a shitty leader and set back by decades China's drive to bring a better life for the Chinese people. But ANYONE knowing what had happened to China the 100 years before 1949 will understand how powerful the statement "China will never again be insulted" was to the Chinese people.
This explains why whenever the west makes demands and threats to China, China just ignores the west because China simply doesn't care what the west wants or thinks.
The communist takeover was just a matter of time. Chinese history is a history of revolutions and the communist one is just the latest. In time the PRC government will fall too. I don't feel sorry for Chiang because his government deserved to be removed from power.
Chiang-Kai-Shek was a right-wing dictator, a corrupt president who was loved by western imperialism. Mao was supported by many poor Chinese, but he betrayed them. China became his personal empire, never did he allowed workers to control their own lives.
China never became a socialist state. It was a deformed workers state, ruled by the bureaucracy of the communist party. Mao's regime ended in capitalism. He CCP betryaed not only Mao, but Marx and Lenin as wel.
I watch the history of the Chinese revolution with so many emotions, feeling often that the people had to bear so many hardships - from the Japanese, from the Nationalists, and for many after the revolution, from the Party itself. Mao was a brilliant military leader, but a strange totalitarian. I don't think he is quite the monster that the media will make it out to be, but history has shown us that revolutionaries seldom make good leaders. Still, Chiang Kai-Shek was no angel at all.
If COMMUNISM is so Good why does China Open Up to do Business? Why does Chinese want to get the hell out of there and go to America, Japan, Europe, and Taiwan.....CAPITALISM is better than COMMUNISM. PERIOD.
@noformstyle Political stability is not about "which is better, left or right?", but about trying to maintain a balance between left and right. For someone to support one side completely over the other is either a facist (right) or a communist (left). Capitalism is good, i agree, but it needs a bit of socialism mixed in as well to help the poorer people get by and keep the capitalists in check, to prevent corruption. But of course, no political system is perfect, they're always flawed somehow.
@AD3PTUZ totally agree. When there's too corruption near the top, govt is doomed eventually. I'm not communist, but after watching this doc, I'm glad Chiang lost. His stupidity, arrogance and nepotism screwed him over.
@noformstyle China was to big to govern as a capitalist society. There were only 2 groups- wealthy and poor, no middle class. To unite the country communism had to be accepted.
400 Millions of Uneducated Dumba** pick Communism over Capitalism. It is like picking Russia over America, DR Sun Yat Sen have traveled world wide and told you which to follow and you idiots pick other............. Retarded Fuuuuuck. Cultural Revolution is that good for China. 30million starved to death...Mao is a Devil,,and burnt in hell.
it's all about timing. the KMT under capitalism went so corrupted, 1 or 2 % of ppl controled 99% of the country's resource. the rest of ppl were at the edge of starving to death. imagine u r in that starving position, and some one came up to u said "my idea is to let every buddy have food and job and a place to live for free", what do u think?
.
basically ppl were forced to choose communism BY CAPITALISM itself at that time!
fact 2, communism at that time was a brand new idea, it's hard to say if it's bad or not until u really tried it. and it worked out fine in the begining.
.
fact 3, the CCP brings China from a exetreme proverty condition to the 2nd largest economic today. Regardless democracy and political debates, in terms of building up the country, it's not ALL bad!!
Mao and the CCP promised freedom and socialism. They betrayed the trust of millions. The Chinese Communist Party soon became the new KMT, corrupt and capitalist. Since 1983 the CCP is more like the KMT. They adapted capitalism and Chinese nationalism.
@UDSS However, corruption in KMT during Chiang Kai Shek's time became a huge liability compared the to corruption in the CCP today. For that, Chiang Kai Shek is more likely to cry since it cost him the Chinese Mainland.
Chiang Kai Shek downfall was his own doing. He forgot the teachings of his mentor - Sun Yat Sen. His arrogance got into his head and became a dictator himself.
@humpingbird Yes. I agree. Watching this doc makes me disgusted with his tactics. By allowing his subordinates (many of his relatives) to do as they please with funds, it repeated the downfall of the previous Qing dynasty and allow the population to starve and brutalized by Japs.
chiang kai-shek continued his reign of terror in taiwan, placing it under martial law for 38 years! he was a stubborn, facist, corrupt, elitist, arrogant, incompetent fool. cks, his inner circle, wife and family were a bunch of thieves.
today, taiwan still has some brainwashed people who respect chiang and his wife, they believe they were good people who led a humble existence!
US President Truman: "the Chiangs, the Kungs, and the Soongs (were) all thieves", having taken $750 million in US aid
@hemingway2407 yes, chiang kai-shek was a tyrant. however, we shouldn't overlook his contribution. he did resist japanese invation. without his act, large portion of chinese may speak japanese today. beside that, Mao Zedong was not too great, either. his culture revolution cost million people's lives.
I think we ought to face that communism = bad, capitalism = good is an erroneous stereotype produced by the cold war. Chiang Kai Shek made life miserable for millions of Chinese people, whilst the communists were promoting things like literacy and low rents for peasants (who made up something like 80% of the population). "Capitalist" Chiang admired Hitler and opposed democratic reform. Of course I am not a communist, but it was understandably an attractive option for starving Chinese peasants.
Totally agree with you! While millions of China's population barely had enough food to eat, Chiang and his wife swindled off huge fortune before fleeing to Taiwan.
@mogenim it all depends on how the government works. Truth is Capitalism is generally a much easier government to rule over a country. Communism needs far more control and therefore far more room for corruption is present. I think the best possible government would be a Socialist/Capitalist regime, but that's just my humble opinion
@mogenim Lol, 'opposed democratic reform'. Aye, that's why the Republic of China was the only regime that held elections over all of China. National elections of 1947 and 1948, read up on it. And watch the previous parts again, you missed many things which were said throughout the documentary.
@lukebccb Actually no, Martial Law was not declared in 1949 by Chiang, Martial Law was declared in 1947 by Chen Yi. Chiang simply didn't end it, nor was logical to end it. When you are looking at an imminent invasion, it would be against all logic to end martial law. Still, despite not continued martial law, elections were continued to be held, or in the case of local elections, started by Chiang started in the early 1950s.
I think it is a very objective documentary. I was surprised that the film makers were actually able to interview high ranking officials both from the KMT and from the Communist Party. I wonder when this film was made.
A very good ending too, with that Chinese proverb. The film maker certainly did his share of research into Chinese history. Impressive.
I find it funny that when ROC find Communist they execute them, While when the Communist find ROC they locked them in jail. Now doesn't it look like it should be the other way around lol........ Well at least the Communist did not execute these prisoners of war like how the nationalist did. What an Irony........
Its not Irony. America has painted communism and capitalism in black and white terms.
Communism has no bearing on a person's morality. Some are bad and some aren't.
Anyway, 6:00 is the reason why the nationalist lost the war. Their leader was also down right treasonous against his people. He preferred to fight and kill his own people than stop a foreign invasion.
Overall the communist, were the good guys in this conflict.
ROC troops did poorly. the enlisted and ncos were poor. chiang was suppose to promise each man 1000 acres of land and 500 americn gold eagles if they win. lol.
Soviet did supply CCP with soviet weapon. CCP couldn't have supply their army with ammo that were salvaged. The old CCP guy was only joking about using salvaged supply from Chiang.
Search "Chinese Civil War" in wikipedia. One of the heavy machine guns the communist used was SG-43. The service years for the weapon is 1943-1968. It was a newer weapon from the Soviet Union. How does CCP acquire this weapon without Soviet aid?
Mao was a great strategist - while he wasn't good at economy, he could find and appoint ones that are. And he created a system which could sustain and improve itself. So that China is prosperous now.
Thank you very much for this excellent section of history of China. Chinese history is discussed very little in schools in the United States. This story was very informative.
...After General MacArthur planned to push his troops further than the North Korea/China border. He was prepared to use Nuclear bombs! Did you expect China just to sit there and hope that he wouldn't invade?
Oh yes, he demanded the use of weapons and he was getting out of control, finally Truman had to sack him. If MacArthur ever forced the use of a-bombs in Korea, the world today would be much different as USSR would justify using it in Korea and elsewhere, and other nuclear nations as well later on. Thank God he was sacked.
I lived in China for a year and the overall impression confirmed after watching all this history here is a lack of real directed thought and certitude. 1911-49 was on long tug of war with numerous missed opportunities.
SeanMcHugh00 3 weeks ago
The horror of communism and the flaws in Marxism weren't as clear approaching 1949 and indeed the Soviet system was to do fairly well for a while once Stalin was out the way.
But it just seems that with a little more foresight the Americans could have looked ahead to the Japanese defeat and what would likely happen. They could easily have had Mao and the communists bombed- instead they armed them against the Japanese.
Was there a thought to let Mao win to control the Japanese in the future?
SeanMcHugh00 3 weeks ago
So rare to see General Huang wei's video.
lizijian1212 1 month ago
this video is old hat. read a more recent evaluation based on more recent evidence from jay taylor, who served in the state department in hong kong during the cultural revolution. do a youtube search or read the washington post book review (or even better, read the book.)
mattaki 1 month ago
the sad thing about these leaders they start out impressing people with hope of change. They go behind and take money aland and use the poor for personal gains Im not so sure they wanted freedom as much as to rule and control money influence prestige. Look up the soong family they were all in it to control money and power. the sad part u.s. money funded the failure and millions died and then Mao and millions died only death brought there freedom
krglongbourn 2 months ago
Thanks for uploading this documentary
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
Mao was a shitty leader and set back by decades China's drive to bring a better life for the Chinese people. But ANYONE knowing what had happened to China the 100 years before 1949 will understand how powerful the statement "China will never again be insulted" was to the Chinese people.
This explains why whenever the west makes demands and threats to China, China just ignores the west because China simply doesn't care what the west wants or thinks.
lukebccb 5 months ago
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lukebccb 5 months ago
Whats the name of the song the woman sings at 10:30?
Fon3uos 7 months ago
The communist takeover was just a matter of time. Chinese history is a history of revolutions and the communist one is just the latest. In time the PRC government will fall too. I don't feel sorry for Chiang because his government deserved to be removed from power.
crackmonster99 10 months ago
Thanks
Mishimoto123 10 months ago
Chiang-Kai-Shek was a right-wing dictator, a corrupt president who was loved by western imperialism. Mao was supported by many poor Chinese, but he betrayed them. China became his personal empire, never did he allowed workers to control their own lives.
China never became a socialist state. It was a deformed workers state, ruled by the bureaucracy of the communist party. Mao's regime ended in capitalism. He CCP betryaed not only Mao, but Marx and Lenin as wel.
UDSS 11 months ago
Confucious say: He who go to sleep with itchy ass wake up with smelly finga.
EnigmaticWolf1 11 months ago
I watch the history of the Chinese revolution with so many emotions, feeling often that the people had to bear so many hardships - from the Japanese, from the Nationalists, and for many after the revolution, from the Party itself. Mao was a brilliant military leader, but a strange totalitarian. I don't think he is quite the monster that the media will make it out to be, but history has shown us that revolutionaries seldom make good leaders. Still, Chiang Kai-Shek was no angel at all.
ichigatsujohn 1 year ago
If COMMUNISM is so Good why does China Open Up to do Business? Why does Chinese want to get the hell out of there and go to America, Japan, Europe, and Taiwan.....CAPITALISM is better than COMMUNISM. PERIOD.
noformstyle 1 year ago
@noformstyle Political stability is not about "which is better, left or right?", but about trying to maintain a balance between left and right. For someone to support one side completely over the other is either a facist (right) or a communist (left). Capitalism is good, i agree, but it needs a bit of socialism mixed in as well to help the poorer people get by and keep the capitalists in check, to prevent corruption. But of course, no political system is perfect, they're always flawed somehow.
AD3PTUZ 1 year ago
@AD3PTUZ totally agree. When there's too corruption near the top, govt is doomed eventually. I'm not communist, but after watching this doc, I'm glad Chiang lost. His stupidity, arrogance and nepotism screwed him over.
donguinto 1 year ago
@noformstyle China was to big to govern as a capitalist society. There were only 2 groups- wealthy and poor, no middle class. To unite the country communism had to be accepted.
weinmanjoe 1 year ago
400 Millions of Uneducated Dumba** pick Communism over Capitalism. It is like picking Russia over America, DR Sun Yat Sen have traveled world wide and told you which to follow and you idiots pick other............. Retarded Fuuuuuck. Cultural Revolution is that good for China. 30million starved to death...Mao is a Devil,,and burnt in hell.
noformstyle 1 year ago
@noformstyle
ur comment just shows how ignorant u r.
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it's all about timing. the KMT under capitalism went so corrupted, 1 or 2 % of ppl controled 99% of the country's resource. the rest of ppl were at the edge of starving to death. imagine u r in that starving position, and some one came up to u said "my idea is to let every buddy have food and job and a place to live for free", what do u think?
.
basically ppl were forced to choose communism BY CAPITALISM itself at that time!
hhuang4 1 month ago
@noformstyle - continue
first of all, i am not a communism, but-------
fact 2, communism at that time was a brand new idea, it's hard to say if it's bad or not until u really tried it. and it worked out fine in the begining.
.
fact 3, the CCP brings China from a exetreme proverty condition to the 2nd largest economic today. Regardless democracy and political debates, in terms of building up the country, it's not ALL bad!!
hhuang4 1 month ago
Mao and the CCP promised freedom and socialism. They betrayed the trust of millions. The Chinese Communist Party soon became the new KMT, corrupt and capitalist. Since 1983 the CCP is more like the KMT. They adapted capitalism and Chinese nationalism.
Chiang Kai-Shek is laughing in his grave.
UDSS 1 year ago 2
@UDSS However, corruption in KMT during Chiang Kai Shek's time became a huge liability compared the to corruption in the CCP today. For that, Chiang Kai Shek is more likely to cry since it cost him the Chinese Mainland.
ssw1989 1 year ago
@ssw1989
In the end, they were both flawed equally as Chinese with variations
jacqueshauer 1 year ago
Chiang Kai Shek downfall was his own doing. He forgot the teachings of his mentor - Sun Yat Sen. His arrogance got into his head and became a dictator himself.
humpingbird 1 year ago 19
@humpingbird Yes. I agree. Watching this doc makes me disgusted with his tactics. By allowing his subordinates (many of his relatives) to do as they please with funds, it repeated the downfall of the previous Qing dynasty and allow the population to starve and brutalized by Japs.
donguinto 1 year ago
我要把这个纪录片推荐给所有的中国人。
liningwzgl 1 year ago
chiang kai-shek continued his reign of terror in taiwan, placing it under martial law for 38 years! he was a stubborn, facist, corrupt, elitist, arrogant, incompetent fool. cks, his inner circle, wife and family were a bunch of thieves.
today, taiwan still has some brainwashed people who respect chiang and his wife, they believe they were good people who led a humble existence!
US President Truman: "the Chiangs, the Kungs, and the Soongs (were) all thieves", having taken $750 million in US aid
hemingway2407 1 year ago
@hemingway2407 yes, chiang kai-shek was a tyrant. however, we shouldn't overlook his contribution. he did resist japanese invation. without his act, large portion of chinese may speak japanese today. beside that, Mao Zedong was not too great, either. his culture revolution cost million people's lives.
loveryoda 1 year ago
China, rhanks for the IPADS
hsuson 1 year ago
Amazing documentary.
Viva La Revolucion
sskrewdriver 1 year ago
Thx for posting this. Really opened my eyes to things I didn't realize when I was in Beijing last year
goraddy 1 year ago
Finally finished, shish.
Hougoumont 1 year ago
it is easy to seize power
difficult to maintain it..
goodluckpeace44 2 years ago 3
I think we ought to face that communism = bad, capitalism = good is an erroneous stereotype produced by the cold war. Chiang Kai Shek made life miserable for millions of Chinese people, whilst the communists were promoting things like literacy and low rents for peasants (who made up something like 80% of the population). "Capitalist" Chiang admired Hitler and opposed democratic reform. Of course I am not a communist, but it was understandably an attractive option for starving Chinese peasants.
mogenim 2 years ago 26
Totally agree with you! While millions of China's population barely had enough food to eat, Chiang and his wife swindled off huge fortune before fleeing to Taiwan.
gschua18 1 year ago
@mogenim Just goes to show the power of a lie to an uneducated grunt. Mao played his cards right, gotta give him that.
clanpsi 1 year ago
@mogenim it all depends on how the government works. Truth is Capitalism is generally a much easier government to rule over a country. Communism needs far more control and therefore far more room for corruption is present. I think the best possible government would be a Socialist/Capitalist regime, but that's just my humble opinion
HamGreenandEggs 1 year ago
@mogenim Lol, 'opposed democratic reform'. Aye, that's why the Republic of China was the only regime that held elections over all of China. National elections of 1947 and 1948, read up on it. And watch the previous parts again, you missed many things which were said throughout the documentary.
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@LiouTao: then after 1949 Chiang and the KMT declared martial law in Taiwan that lasted decades.
lukebccb 5 months ago
@lukebccb Actually no, Martial Law was not declared in 1949 by Chiang, Martial Law was declared in 1947 by Chen Yi. Chiang simply didn't end it, nor was logical to end it. When you are looking at an imminent invasion, it would be against all logic to end martial law. Still, despite not continued martial law, elections were continued to be held, or in the case of local elections, started by Chiang started in the early 1950s.
LiouTao 5 months ago
I think it is a very objective documentary. I was surprised that the film makers were actually able to interview high ranking officials both from the KMT and from the Communist Party. I wonder when this film was made.
A very good ending too, with that Chinese proverb. The film maker certainly did his share of research into Chinese history. Impressive.
tbearzhang 2 years ago
I find it funny that when ROC find Communist they execute them, While when the Communist find ROC they locked them in jail. Now doesn't it look like it should be the other way around lol........ Well at least the Communist did not execute these prisoners of war like how the nationalist did. What an Irony........
m0rttal 2 years ago
Its not Irony. America has painted communism and capitalism in black and white terms.
Communism has no bearing on a person's morality. Some are bad and some aren't.
Anyway, 6:00 is the reason why the nationalist lost the war. Their leader was also down right treasonous against his people. He preferred to fight and kill his own people than stop a foreign invasion.
Overall the communist, were the good guys in this conflict.
RydarGames 2 years ago
ROC troops did poorly. the enlisted and ncos were poor. chiang was suppose to promise each man 1000 acres of land and 500 americn gold eagles if they win. lol.
Rico8458 2 years ago
Soviet did supply CCP with soviet weapon. CCP couldn't have supply their army with ammo that were salvaged. The old CCP guy was only joking about using salvaged supply from Chiang.
Civsuccess2 2 years ago
@Civsuccess2
prooflink, please
timfidotru 2 years ago
Search "Chinese Civil War" in wikipedia. One of the heavy machine guns the communist used was SG-43. The service years for the weapon is 1943-1968. It was a newer weapon from the Soviet Union. How does CCP acquire this weapon without Soviet aid?
Civsuccess2 2 years ago
@Civsuccess2 They probably made a cheap copy of it.
Pigeonzbomb12 1 year ago
Chiang is a great politician, a great domestic ruler, but not a great military commander.
Civsuccess2 2 years ago
where as Mao was a great military leader and tactician, unfortunately he was not a great ruler.
enjoycoke86 2 years ago
@enjoycoke86
Mao was a great strategist - while he wasn't good at economy, he could find and appoint ones that are. And he created a system which could sustain and improve itself. So that China is prosperous now.
timfidotru 2 years ago
wow, its the 60th anniversary of the prc!
clzjcmm 2 years ago
Thank you very much for this excellent section of history of China. Chinese history is discussed very little in schools in the United States. This story was very informative.
jdnam77 2 years ago
这片子好啊～ 别说共产党不好 再不好也要比70年代前的国民党好得多～ 两害取其轻 不是共产党 我现在可能还在东北什么几角旮旯呆着呢～～
da11371 2 years ago
And then, on June 25, 1950 China joined with North Korea to "re-unify" Korea...
YukiIsoya08 3 years ago
...After General MacArthur planned to push his troops further than the North Korea/China border. He was prepared to use Nuclear bombs! Did you expect China just to sit there and hope that he wouldn't invade?
arjunaaw 3 years ago 2
What evidence is there that he planned to push his troops further than the border? Or that he was planning to use nukes?
YukiIsoya08 3 years ago
Type it in Google,
Was general Macarthur prepared to use nuclear bombs?
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arjunaaw 3 years ago
Oh yes, he demanded the use of weapons and he was getting out of control, finally Truman had to sack him. If MacArthur ever forced the use of a-bombs in Korea, the world today would be much different as USSR would justify using it in Korea and elsewhere, and other nuclear nations as well later on. Thank God he was sacked.
warbuff1 2 years ago
ROC was corrupt and didnt care for the peasants and are bound to lose power at the time.
PRC spent the next 50 years going in circle doing nothing but causing harm to the country.
CaptainCool07 3 years ago
well said.....wow, couldnt of said it better myself captaincool =D
morfinictrauma 2 years ago
ROC is now governing Taiwan like a model province for all China. This last 50 years gave KMT time to reflect on what they did wrong.
CaptainCool07 2 years ago
both PRC and ROC sucks
CaptainCool07 3 years ago 2