Guy in sweater vest at 24:26 : for spinoza "nature is not the object of worshipful awe, or any kind of religious attitude; the proper attitude to take towards nature is that of scientific inquiry". an interesting claim about spinoza's ethical posture towards the world, which he has determined to be of one substance. but i think it is a hasty one. In my understanding he does not want to seize upon nature and render it knowable, as this would suggest.There seems to be room for ontological awe
Why Spinoza came to write what he did was not discussed. His grandparents fell victum to inquisition and fled Portugal to France. His family confronted with the same problems in France and the whole family fled and found refuge in Holland. Spinoza, born in Amsterdam, now educated and sophisticated recognises the horrors of the past and delivers democracy instead. That is Spinoza, telling the world about the deception of organised religion making miracles believable. Thomas Jefferson, way to go!
Where Dr. Joel Whitebook says: "even clinically the problem is to find the most valid... fit, or the most valid... form of communication between the drives of the emotions, the ego, and the conscienceness"
Won't that be a startpoint where Carl G. Jung's works come in handy?
Once again you are all a great example of patience and mutual respect.
At first i was very angry & sad ofcourse.. that Spinoza was never mentioned at school.
"We could have done so much good with his works!"
Great to watch this debate!
High Five to you all! (and one extra to Steve since my bookshelf hold more of his books : ) To be continued because one view will not promise total saturation.
Spinoza is not a dualist. your reference to a dualism of thought and extension is misconstrued I suspect. He says that thought and extension are one and the same thing but are expressed in two different ways. Which would be explainable by his argument for Modes of the one substance being the source of all existing variety and apparent differences we can perceive. We could say he appears to be, on the surface, a dualist.. but only if we do no further reduction
What a great surprise, especially getting the chance to hear Jonathan Israel. I have recently come to know his work and he seems to have done a tremendous achievement with his massive tomes on enlightenment. Specially, his focus on Spinoza’s significant influence on radical enlightenment. THANKS for the post!!
It depends on how we define atheism. Spinoza was very critical of the Judeo-Christian God and essentially argued that all religion is based on superstition and lies.
Spinoza's God is synonymous with Nature. In "the Ethics" he uses the terms interchangeably. Many atheists were attracted to Spinoza because he argued that their is no divine power that places judgment on the actions of men. Spinoza In this sense, I would like to think that Spinoza is atheist.
@knocked44 So Catherine Wilson spent her personal time to participate in this roundtable discussion for your personal and strictly serious enjoyment? What an absurd and condescending thing for you to write.
If Spinoza makes a ontological distinction between mental and physical, and these are equal components of nature, then he isn't a naturalists in the modern sense of the world. Modern naturalists do not make such a distinction; and if they do, it's not an ontological distinction.
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archie977 3 months ago
Why is madonna discussing spinoza???
ThermalHD 8 months ago
Guy in sweater vest at 24:26 : for spinoza "nature is not the object of worshipful awe, or any kind of religious attitude; the proper attitude to take towards nature is that of scientific inquiry". an interesting claim about spinoza's ethical posture towards the world, which he has determined to be of one substance. but i think it is a hasty one. In my understanding he does not want to seize upon nature and render it knowable, as this would suggest.There seems to be room for ontological awe
ringawing 8 months ago
Catherine Wilson is cute. It's hilarious they all dodge a discussion of Deleuze.
Urdoxa 11 months ago
@Urdoxa Probably busy discussing Spinoza instead, the jerks!
dantean 8 months ago
Why Spinoza came to write what he did was not discussed. His grandparents fell victum to inquisition and fled Portugal to France. His family confronted with the same problems in France and the whole family fled and found refuge in Holland. Spinoza, born in Amsterdam, now educated and sophisticated recognises the horrors of the past and delivers democracy instead. That is Spinoza, telling the world about the deception of organised religion making miracles believable. Thomas Jefferson, way to go!
langzaam2 11 months ago
Why dont you put ads on your videos? If you need money (I am aware that this came out in 09) but if you still do...well...
sulthus 1 year ago
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Urdoxa 1 year ago
Where Dr. Joel Whitebook says: "even clinically the problem is to find the most valid... fit, or the most valid... form of communication between the drives of the emotions, the ego, and the conscienceness"
Won't that be a startpoint where Carl G. Jung's works come in handy?
Once again you are all a great example of patience and mutual respect.
SweetFire96 1 year ago
Ever since i started to read Spinoza's work, very soon i felt his words placed me in warm Sunlight.
Amazing how Spinoza shows through his work the patience he allows/chooses to explain his idea's.
Ofcourse, i ain't very surprised that youngsters recognise what they miss in our current day "Coffee to Go" society.
SweetFire96 1 year ago
At first i was very angry & sad ofcourse.. that Spinoza was never mentioned at school.
"We could have done so much good with his works!"
Great to watch this debate!
High Five to you all! (and one extra to Steve since my bookshelf hold more of his books : ) To be continued because one view will not promise total saturation.
SweetFire96 1 year ago
in response to Dr. Nadler:
Spinoza is not a dualist. your reference to a dualism of thought and extension is misconstrued I suspect. He says that thought and extension are one and the same thing but are expressed in two different ways. Which would be explainable by his argument for Modes of the one substance being the source of all existing variety and apparent differences we can perceive. We could say he appears to be, on the surface, a dualist.. but only if we do no further reduction
danielmizzle 1 year ago
Here a vlog about spinoza: freethought point com
Borisvdham 1 year ago
What a great surprise, especially getting the chance to hear Jonathan Israel. I have recently come to know his work and he seems to have done a tremendous achievement with his massive tomes on enlightenment. Specially, his focus on Spinoza’s significant influence on radical enlightenment. THANKS for the post!!
castano2001 1 year ago
Thank you! What a rare find on youtube, a 2 hour and 15 minute discussion between Spinoza scholars! This made my day!
alifeofreason 1 year ago
It depends on how we define atheism. Spinoza was very critical of the Judeo-Christian God and essentially argued that all religion is based on superstition and lies.
Spinoza's God is synonymous with Nature. In "the Ethics" he uses the terms interchangeably. Many atheists were attracted to Spinoza because he argued that their is no divine power that places judgment on the actions of men. Spinoza In this sense, I would like to think that Spinoza is atheist.
TheNovembergraveyard 1 year ago
Isn't capitalism an absolutely wonderful system?!
Evey ime I put the news on there is no money for this or that. or there are cut backs. They should be discussing Karl Marx!
DrMontague 1 year ago
Catherine Wilson, I appreciate you're sunny-side-up attitude, but try to take my time seriously. I'm not interested in a giggle fest.
knocked44 1 year ago
@knocked44 So Catherine Wilson spent her personal time to participate in this roundtable discussion for your personal and strictly serious enjoyment? What an absurd and condescending thing for you to write.
BarcSsarc 1 year ago
did Nadler just say the mind is a 'reflection' of the body? Wow, stick to thumbtack analogies. You're out of your depth if that's your conclusion.
knocked44 1 year ago
did somebody tell Jonathan Israel that he would be getting paid per word?
knocked44 1 year ago
If Spinoza makes a ontological distinction between mental and physical, and these are equal components of nature, then he isn't a naturalists in the modern sense of the world. Modern naturalists do not make such a distinction; and if they do, it's not an ontological distinction.
zappa3837 2 years ago
Akeel's style is fine. Be nice folks.
FaaarLeft 2 years ago
qualcuno aggiunga sottotitoli in italiano
ThWilder 2 years ago
the more this video goes on the more i dont really care for Akeel Bilgrami
esharpie420 2 years ago
i wish steven nadler spoke more. hes more interesting to listen to.
esharpie420 2 years ago
never bring a solution to the table, they just bable about questions that have been asked since the age of time by all kinds of poets.
juanamary999 2 years ago
I agree Jacob. He's too slow. He needs to stop introducing his thought and just get on with it.
m4ddn3ss 2 years ago
The guy at 6:20 is apparently from the future.
bledges 2 years ago
The moderator talks as if he's saying something great, but he doesn't end up saying much.
jacobkinzey 2 years ago
philosophers should never have to talk about finances or administration
JerryKitich 2 years ago
First, Philosophical genius...then a hard working lens grinder.
RosaeCrucis57 2 years ago