tyson was heavier than frazier and quicker and more powerful a 20 year old tyson would have for sure beat a 20 year old ali ,ali got better but lost a whole lot more fights than his record would suggest ,people only talk about tysons power ,but it was his speed and power that would turn a mans lights out ,he had a better punch than frazier and cooper ,ali had the better career but was helped alot cos he was a cash cow and a spokesman for the black muslims,tyson minus damato is ali minus dundee
No way. A young Ali was one of the quickest fighters ever. He would dance and keep tyson at bay all day long with that jab. Tyson was an inside fighter but could never work his way inside as good a Frazier. Tyson had quicker handspeed than Frazier easily and far more power but was not as relentless. You have to be working your way inside constantly hoping to wear down Alis arms and praying to land that one shot.
@chromeheart65 Muhammad Ali minus Dundee is still the same Muhammad Ali. Dundee didn't train Ali the way you think he did, he didn't have to keep Ali focussed. All Dundee had to do is go with the flow, and be a good cornerman. He said it himself. Tyson would get his ass handed to him if he fought Ali in 1967. The only man Tyson beat was grandaddy Holmes who was about 246 years and was 9 months pregnant.
@LIVINGONTHEDOLE I'm in the minority I am sure, but I don't see "Smokin" Joe standing up to Tyson. He was able to take everything that Ali hit him with, ut let's be fair to Tyson. Ali doesn't hit half as hard as Mike. However, If Joe survives three or four rounds then it's over for Mike. I lean towards the second round KO myself.
@periechontology Yeah, I loved Frazier but I think Tyson would have took him out early. Tyson was a fast starter, Frazier a slow starter. If it lasted past 8 rounds, which I doubt, then Frazier would wear Tyson down and win.
Hahahahaha why is their even a debate on who would win Tyson or Ali? Ali would murder Tyson just like how me murdered Frazier, Foremon, Liston, Norton, ect. Ali was just to smart of a fighter and to fast. All of you that say Tyson would win well you're pretty fuckin' stupid to think that. That's like saying Sidney Crosby is a better hockey player then Wayne Gretzky.
@ImKoolWithThis I agree with you except Norton actually had Ali's number. Norton was not as good as Ali but some fighters match up with other fighters better. I have all three Norton- Ali fights and the only one Ali really one was the second one. Norton got robbed big time in the third fight.
@revelation6415 No doubt Ali was the better fighter, but even Ali admitted that Norton was beating him to the punch, that he felt slower than Norton, but as always, Ali was smart- he knew how to get points. He would loose most of the round then rally in the closing seconds to make it look like he was in control- especially head shots. In the Ali- Frazier fights, Frazier woul land more punches but they were mostly body shots- Ali's were head shots, so Frazier was marked, Ali clean
@lubui2583 I'm not so sure. Tyson would have thrived on it , made him even more of a mad-man if that's possible . Tyson was fearless , Ali's clowning about wouldn't have phased him one bit in my opinion . Tyson was way beyond ridicule-too mean and too angry . Ali was awesome but then love him or hate him so was Tyson.
Tyson was well known to be psychologically fragile, and pissing the other guy off is part of why Ali did what he did. Being pissed off does not work for you in the ring, it hurts you, even if you're Tyson.
@periechontology I don't think Tyson would have been pissed off at all. Under Kevin Rooney he had was very well trained and psyched up for all of his fights. 85-88 he was complete focus and out to do business personified .
Well he was never tested in this area. Most of his opponents were terrified of him and in no position to taunt him. But we know that as a person he had a fragile psyche, even in the 80's outside of the ring where other things actually DID test him.
Tyson wouldn't fall apart immediately, but after 6 or 7 rounds of Ali dancing and jabbing him, tying him up everytime he came close and insulting him in his era, it would get to him. That on top of everything Ali would do before the fight.
lol can't believe there are people out there that think tyson was better than ali....c'mon man.......but i do have to say that ali's ears would have been in trouble if they fought
I'll state it plain: anybody who thinks Tyson would have a hope against peak Ali is a boxing know-nothing. Tyson looked good on the way up against club fighters and beating aging fighters when he first won the title, who hasn't in history? Who did he beat under 35 with any real ability though? As for his vaunted punch, he landed plenty on Holyfield but couldn't take it when he landed back. I can't see young Foreman or Shavers hitting Holyfield so often and his being able to fight on. They...
...always say the punch is the last thing you lose as a boxer. Where was Tyson's, according to his fans the greatest puncher ever, at the end of his career when he he was pounding ineffectually on the likes of Danny Williams? Ali, with his hand speed, would have punched holes in his defence. Tyson's no Joe Frazier; in spite of the ducking and crouching he hasn't the mental strength or endurance. He'd crack under Ali's persistent jab and combinations, and be knocked out.
@thehitchrules Like I said, boxing know-nothings. Ali fought some of the best heavies ever, and no-one ever knocked him out. And you think that Tyson, who never really progressed from flattening tincans, could do it early? Absolutely deluded....
@madmax8903 Like I said ,yeah I do ,and there are many, many people who also think the same .You've only got to look around these forums to see that . You seem to be implying that Tyson's punch wasn't up to much ; now to me THAT'S deluded . And who are you calling people boxing no-nothings ? You're on here posting comments just like everyone else smartarse
Floyd Mayweather knows was hes talking about, hes a great fighter just like ali was, he brags but it's all for show to get people to watch the fight other wise it's boring
Ok your clearly an expert on boxing whos knowledge of the sport is superior to mine.
Tyson doesnt need to get the timing down his head movement was non stop his defence in his peak was perfect. Ali would not be able to get close enough to clinch if he did it would only hinder the end result.
Tyson can hit alot harder than frazier ali was amazing but is not superhuman mate if tyson landed one on his chin flush he would be out tyson throws punches in bunches when tyson hits you he hurts you.
And nbot only does Ali say hed win he says if he caught him hed be knocked out and he says he hits harder than shavers so if you have watched it you should know
@TheUKConman tyson says shavers and foreman hit MUCH harder than him. He says Ali would beat him in several interviews. Ali didn't really say Tyson would win, he just halfass points after being asked to be nice and mumbles.
@TheUKConman Almost any fight with Ali would go the distance, if Tyson didn't get lucky and KO him early Ali would have outboxed him. He could just pepper the jab to win rounds. Tyson was easily frustrated, just how Ali liked his opponents.
when people compare ali with tyson,they take the tyson loss to douglas and make their predictions that ali would win but that was a disinterested bad tyson that night.He abandoned all his techniques of defensive first posture.Only the late 87 early 88 tyson vs ali.Thats a pickem.The way tyson beat alis adversary,holmes,was a demolition of a still very capable fighter(watch the holmes mercer and holmes holy fights) And this was holmes vs tyson 5 yrs younger! That particulatr tyson is the only one
@AjViShus But as ali was often heard to say,'Hitting power don't mean nothing if there's nothing to hit'. Ali was being gracious; He would've danced rings aroung Tyson.
@Nickcat5 Sure but tyson of late 87 early 88 was fast also.Ali was worried about hitting power when the hits landed on him ala frazier 1971.That fight alone shows a prime hungary focuses tyson would give ali NIGHTMARES especially if frazier and norton could!classic tyson was a lot like a frazier/norton mix with more power.He was strong,fast and "very awkward to hit" Holmes quote post holmestyson fight.
@fadethetrade Holmes was 110 years old when he fought Tyson & since you like quotes so much,Tyson said something to the effect that if Holmes was younger the outcome may have been different,Implying that he probably wouldn't have won. I agree; Holmes woul've took his head off. He(Holmes) had a Jackhammer for a jab. Did you ever see the first Clay(Ali) -Liston. fight? Watch hit. I'm a Big Frazier Fan but I would have been hard-pressed to bet on him had he fought Ali a few years earlier.
@Nickcat5 That was part of tysons great humble attitude saying holmes would beat him in his prime.Cus Damato always maintained tyson would beat holmes in his prime.ALWAYS.Styles were perfect for a 87-88 classic tyson to beat larry in 1980 or 1988 version.Makes no difference.Also,if holmes was 110 ,then vs holyfield,he was 115!!!!! and looked good vs holy. TYson slipped and eluded all great jabbers when tyson was classic 87-88.Douglas would lose to the 87-88 tyson because tyson slips douglas jab.
@fadethetrade HIs 'Humble attitude'?? I won't even bother with that. Holyfield also was a busy fighter,Holmes hadn't been. Cus said Tyson would beat Holmes? He,D'Amato, also thought Wilt Chamberlain could beat Ali. Even Wilt's own father told him not to think about fighting Ali. Cus was good for Tyson,but he was not perfect about predicting outcomes,as none of us really are. The fact remains that Tyson was in his prime when he fought & lost to Douglas.
@Nickcat5 The fact is you don't understand the point.Tyson by age was in his prime until 27 but his style was relying on defensive first posture .damato always told tyson if you lose your elusivness,your best asset could become your downfall.tyson was a 3 yr fighter,as frazier was as marciano was adn as dempsey was.You are a fool to take tyson and think he could be a long term champ like ali.Tyson relied on his elusiveness to beat any fighter in history.Wthout it,he was beatable.
@Nickcat5 The 87-88 form was able to beat ali,lewis,holy ,holmes and bowe.Becasue he was the most elusive fighter since Clay.Only when tysson lived in the gym and practiceed,practiced and practiced those techniques ,they became secondary.Against douglas,he went in looking to head hunt and stood straight up outside and took the jab all night and partied weeks before the fight and didnt have rooney to set him straight so your tyson in his prime assessment is full of shit!!!
true. But look at the opponents Ali faced, all OLD SCHOOL type of boxing no where near the hand/head/and footspeed of some of todays heavyweights... Ali's style was revolutionary for its age and was difficult for opponents back then. It was easy to dance around opponents back then. imo 80's tyson had the same speed (maybe even faster) as prime Ali. Ali was great FOR HIS TIME, "he is the greatest?"... I don't see it, not with Tyson.. "nothing to hit?" Tyson would kill Ali :(
@AjViShus What happened toTyson when Buster Douglas hit him on the way in? Ali,Holmes & any good jabbing fighter would've picked him off .Tyson was great for a bit,But once his weaknesses were exposed,look what happened to him. Ali is considerably more gracious in his old age than he ever was before facing an opponent. Even if he,Tyson beat Ali,he would've only did it once,& never would've knocked him out Ali would've solved the puzzle & easily beaten Tyson in every match afterwards.
@AjViShus Not to forget Cus D'amato's death certainly had it's effect. I'm not anti-Tyson. Liked him until he got stupid about some things. A Great Fighter for a while.Just don't think he'd match up against Ali or Holmes in their primes. Didn't think there was that much,if any difference in Tyson 88- to 90. I think he had just met a determined Douglas that night.
@AjViShus But as Ali was often heard to say,'Hitting power don't mean nothing if there's nothing to hit'. Ali was being gracious; He would've danced rings aroung Tyson.
Ali would dance around him and be able to take the blows, dont underestimate Alis ability to take punishment lol, this guy fought 10 rounds with a broken jaw, what other fighter has done that since? Ali was a smart fighter, ton more then Tyson.
Ali would dance around him and be able to take the blows, dont underestimate Alis ability to take punishment lol, this guy fought 10 rounds with a broken jaw, what other fighter has done that since? Ali was a smart fighter, ton more then Tyson.
@matrix4022 Take your head out of Ali's ass. He IS the greatest of all time but you must accept the fact that he did lose fights. He is not undefeatable.
@batalarabe lol foreman has much harder punches then tyson, watch foremans fights even as an old man, his japs were enough to knock somone out. but tyson was faster and had better accuracy. thats why all his knockouts look so devastating
Ali would get demolished by Tyson. His rope a dope is useless on Tyson, saying Ali would get in to Tyson's head is ridiculous. Tyson doesn't think when he fights, he had nothing to live for but to box. Just a beast wanting to be loved. Ali's footwork was great but he won't win just with his feet. They both had the full package, power, speed, and agility but Tyson's skill level and determination was much more advanced than Ali's.
@JiveDG Tyson thinks trust me, but his thinking isn't what wins him fights, Ali would make him have to think even harder which is something he's not good at.
a prime ali would definately handle tyson might not be easy but he would just move around tyson and jab him the whole fight, tyson will chase ali which will be the wrong thing to do because ali would come at you with that lighting speed from his left jab, ali would win ppl need to calm the fuck down about that 1 punch tyson wins, seriosly ali fought foreman enough said foreman was knocking guys out like butter. ali wins
i think tyson would win... he was too quick, too strong, too powerful, too relentless.... foreman, bonecrusher - tyson would have finished them in the first round.... you cannot compare any of alis opponents to tyson what so ever, because back then you never got people as big + quick as tyson
@0salot, you do know that Tyson fought Bonecrusher, right? And no, he didn't knock him out in the 1st round. He didn't knock him out at all. Shows what you know. Next, of course Ali fought bigger men than Tyson. Foreman, Liston, Terrell all bigger than Mike, and Patterson faster than him, with a nearly identical style (the D'Amato influence, obviously). Then factor in how Tyson was mentally weak and crumbled in every close fight, Ali wins all day. And Foreman would have slaughtered Tyson!
@iljn1988 sorry i meant liston not bonecrusher... how silly of me.... boxings dead nowadays, i was just saying tyson was the best and most exciting boxer ever
Tyson was an inside fighter but its not like he stalked his opponent the entire fight like other swarmers did (frazier, marciano). I watched many Tyson fights where he'll just stand and try to box with the guy and then he'll jump out at him and try to land some combinations. Its true Tyson did have great evasion and head bobbing but that was only in the early rounds. Joe frazier relentlessly went forward the entire fight, even in the latter rounds. His body in my opinion was disproportioned
Both in their youth I think Tyson, simply because Ali didnt have a rope a dope or the experience as a young guy to depend on tactics, he was all athleticism. I think both of them being young an inexperienced wouldve gave edge to tyson his reflexes were as good as ali's although not as fast, wouldve caught ali eventually probably early then to me a young ali wouldnt be able to handle being in that position. But also Ali may actually be able to dance the entire fight but seems unlikely to me.
Not a chance. Tyson didn't like getting hit, and Ali would have stuck that jab in his face for the first four or five rounds and knocked him out around eight. Tyson would have been sucking wind by the sixth.
Tyson in his prime would ve destroyed Joe Frazier,but the way Joe Frazier was able to connect on Ali in the first fight,i would be scared to get Ali in the ring with Tyson in his prime,Now the Ali that fought Sonny Liston,ll beat Tyson regardless,but the Ali that came back after his conviction was overturned,Prime Tyson would destroy. So it all depends.
Ali would have beat Tyson. Possibly even easy. Tysons mindset was all over the place. The way Ali would have to talked him down would have more than likely REALLY got in Tysons head. Oh and Ali was a master boxer knowing his role and knowing what not to do. Ali would have kept turning Tyson around till he got dizzy. Lol. If Buster Douglas did so well with his jab just imagine it from the king of the jab. He would have been popping Tysons head back all day. Oh and Ali had pop to his shots too.
The only thing people say in Tyson's favour is that "if he hit Ali, it would be over" because Mike was such a powerful hitter, but Ali took hits from men that were as strong as arguably strong than Tyson, like Foreman, and kept standing and dancing. There's just no one that could have defeated Ali in his prime and on top of his game. Not now, not ever.
@matrix4022 Foreman only hit Ali with glancing blows though. He threw with huge power but very slow. Mike threw rapid combinations with insane speed. He also moved his head like a madman. Foreman was like an immovable statue.
@matrix4022 Comments like this simply blow my mind.
Imagine a taller, stronger, faster, more intelligent, better boxer was born than Ali ever was. You're saying he wouldn't win? Maybe it hasn't happened yet, but to say it never will is an exercise in futility.
A fast mile time in 1950 was 4:45 , now there are guys that run a 4:00 flat.
IMO Tyson would have SLAUGHTERED Ali, but that's not to say that a heavyweight twenty years from now wouldn't do the same to Tyson.
@CaliforniaCarpenter7, the comparison with track and field is tedious to say the least, and makes no sense. Boxing isn't measured in numbers, distance or time. Do you reckon they could run so fast if their opponent could hinder them, as they can in boxing? Boxing has been around since 3BC, all of a sudden you think a 20 year gap is going to produce a massive gulf in evolution!? Dear me. Moreover, boxing isn't reliant on technology and conditions.
The point is, when the precedents of what a "great boxer" or a "fast mile" are set, athletes throughout history have trained like crazy in order to set a NEW precedent.
Boxing has been around since 3 B.C.? Running has been around for longer, and yes, I believe that 20 years from now, the mile time will have dropped ever so slightly.
As for boxing? It's dead. So I guess Rocky Marciano and Tyson will still be the two greatest of all time.
@CaliforniaCarpenter7, and again, you ignore the fact that boxing ISN'T MEASURED IN DISTANCE, TIME OR NUMBERS! When you look at Manny Pacquiao, do you honestly see a more balanced and technically complete fighter than, say, Kid Gavilan, Ray Robinson or Eder Jofre? I doubt it. Skill levels in boxing haven't improved since Ali's day, and nor have they really declined. Of course, there's a chance that a better Heavyweight than Ali could come along - just hope you're not suggesting Klitschko is it!
Well said. I can appreciate somebody that stays composed in one of these YouTube arguments.
You definitely know more about boxing than I do. But when I watch tape of Tyson decimating his opponents, time and time again, and watch tape of Ali going the distance and weathering the storm to get decisions, I feel that Tyson would have no problem knocking Ali out.
Ali himself said that Tyson would have beaten him in his prime. Just sayin...
@CaliforniaCarpenter7, no problem mate, same to you. I see your point about Tyson cutting swaythe through his opposition - but so had Liston and Foreman before they met Ali. Also, I'd add that the image of Ali 'weathering storms' and being pushed hard regularly only really applies to the older, post-exile version. In his first title reign between '64-'67 Ali was dominant in all senses, in a way that no other Heavyweight champion has been. Anyway, cheers for the debate, take care.
The difference between Tyson decimating his opponents and Ali going the distance is their competition. Most of Tyson's highlight reels are full of opponents who literally had records like 12-19, guys who'd been KO'ed in one round many times before. Ali defeated many GREAT fighters, men who are or will be in the hall of fame. Ali fought them while they were in their primes, and in some of the fights, Ali was already out of his. Mike never ONCE defeated a great fighter who wasn't long shot.
As for Ali saying Mike would beat him, I assume you mean the clip from the Arsenio Hall show, but.he followed it up with "Well, if he caught me, but I was pretty fast!" ...
Anyway, if you want to put so much weight into boxers comments, how about the fact that Mike said the same thing about Ali, that Ali would win? He also said the results would have been different vs a young Holmes, and that he'd never have beaten Lewis, "too big and strong" was his quote...agree with all that?
As for Ali saying Mike would beat him, I assume you mean the clip from the Arsenio Hall show, but.he followed it up with "Well, if he caught me, but I was pretty fast!" ...
Anyway, if you want to put so much weight into boxers comments, how about the fact that Mike said the same thing about Ali, that Ali would win? He also said the results would have been different vs a young Holmes, and that he'd never have beaten Lewis, "too big and strong" was his quote...agree with all that?
@matrix4022 roy jones jr could beat ali in his prime. and although foreman might have had more power he wasnt as fast as tyson or had accuracy like tyson. if ali fought tyson i dont think he would win by dancing because tyson would run in fast and it would be to much for ali. thats only if ali did what he always does, but i really cant say tyson would beat ali. but i im telling you know roy jones jr could, he was the best fighter ever in his prime
@93609890 Jones vs Ali?????? I can't even comment on that. It's just too ridiculous. How about Optimus Prime vs Ronald Regan? Crazy talk right? Even so, it's not as crazy as Jones vs Ali.
@93609890 Yes. He was great at middleweight and lightheavy. 1 match (against John Ruiz) @ Heavyweight, does not qualify him to fight Ali. C'mon dude. Ali??? 1 thing Jones DID lack was a chin. That much has been proven. A truly strong and more importantly FAST heavyweight like Ali, would have got to him and KO'ed him. He was just too small for Ali. A good big man will beat a good little man, any day. Jones = great middle/lightheavyweight, period. NO chance against the "best" heavies.
@gjc82071 he lacked a chin but made up for it with everything else, i mean we are talking about the only fighter ever to go a whole round with another fighter without being touched, roy jones jr is out of this world
@93609890 The chin would play a big part in an Ali/Jones fight. Jones would never hurt Ali, but without question, Ali would hit and HURT Jones. With Ali's speed & power, he'd have kept Jones at the end of his jabs and......god, I can't even talk about this. It's just too far fetched. Why not Jones vs Frankenstein or Dracula, etc? LOL Ali vs Jones! Come on dude! BTW, Pernel Whitaker (a round without being touched). Oh, and Willie Pep once won a round without throwing a single punch! :-)
@gjc82071 wateva bro, we arent gonna agree but atleast admit that jones had the most natural talent in boxing history, he was the fastest and had some insane reflexes
@93609890 Exactly. I can never agree that a middle weight with a weak chin, would have a chance against what is arguably the greatest heavyweight in history. He struggled with Tarver & was unproven/tested @ heavy. As for Jones natural talent, I don't know about "most", but it's way up there. Off hand I can think of nobody with more. Ali, Mayweather, the 3 "Sugars", all had all had natural talent. I don't know who had more though. Yea, Jones was way beyond fast. Floyd is very fast too.
Frazier knocked down Ali twice in 1971, and won the "Fight of the Century" by unanimous decision.
What Ali did in Zaïre, dancing and rope-a-dopin' was clever, but it has nothing to do with boxing. Toe to toe, trading punches, Foreman would have won. If you wanna dance, go to ballet class
Ali had great chin, but all he did was jabs. He had no demolishing left hook like Frazier, or those sledgehammer punches Foreman had.
For such a big guy, Ali's punching power was too little
@matrix4022 ye ur right he took hit and was still standing no wander hes got parkinson, i bet he cant even hold a cup of milk before he turns it into a milk shake btw am joking ali is probably top ten heavy weights with joe louis and others
@matrix4022 not to mention earnie shavers who many boxing analysts regard as the the strongest puncher in boxing history , n that was when ali was WAYYYY over his prime n he not jus avoided being knocked out he won , its sad how sum ppl still dnt give ali the respect he deserves
@matrix4022 Foreman was strong, but imo Tyson hit like nobody else. I've seen fights from both boxers, and I hasten think of the monster that comes along one day that can hit harder than tyson. In the only Ali & Tyson interview, Ali even said "if he hit me..." before pretending to fall unconscious, so he even knows that one hit from tyson is lethal. Ali probably would of stuggled to mess with tyson, pre match; Tyson's too focussed, aggressive fighter to be annoyed by what Ali's said pre-match.
@HelloIamBarnsy Good answer you know your stuff. Ali is the greatest but Tyson would win he was another animal Frazier gave Ali real trouble n Tyson style is similar to Frazier but ten times better in every area.
Foreman knocked people down not out cold like Tyson
@TheUKConman the first fight, ali had a 3 yr. layoff. 2nd fight, he almost KO'd Frazier in rd.2, the ref stopped it, then continued. The third, Aliwas old, didn't train, Frazier threw more punches in that fight than in any other fight.
@carmodifire You havn't proved a point here at all or taken in what i said.
Frazier gave ali real trouble and tyson was a hundred times better in every area that gave ali trouble.
If frazier was heavier hit twice as fast, ten times harder, more accurate, nastier, better defensively and with cus as a trainer from 14 years old he would have won? the answersno.
Lets not forget everyone tyson fought in his prime was the next big thing good fighters technically excellent fighters all demolished
@TheUKConman Actually, Ali was DOMINATING Frazier while dancing, but because of the layoff, he couldn't keep it up, and Frazier gained points later. Ali was better in every way in the 60's. Also, Tyson only had good stamina until the middle rounds, like Foreman, Frazier could go for 15. Tyson's weakness was the jab, Ali had one of the best. It would be a Ali-Liston 1.
@carmodifire It was clear from Ali-Frazier 1 that Ali didn't come prepared and in shape like he should have. For whatever reason, he started to believe his own trash talk and didn't train hard enough or take the fight seriously enough. Like you said, Ali started out great, dancing and moving, scoring points, but burned out. He lost his legs and just stood there clowning around and eating left hooks. Ali-Frazier 2 tells a much different story, doesn't it? That's an Ali who was REALLY ready.
@carmodifire I have to disagree completely with your assessment of Tyson's stamina and jab. On the contrary, Tyson, in his prime, always arrived in great shape and ready to go 15 rounds, not just the 12 they were fighting, but a full 15. He had plenty of stamina in those early days and could fight hard the whole way through. Also, Tyson's jab is SERIOUSLY underrated. Remember, this was a man who was 5'10" who could stiff jab a man 6'4". He's even knocked guys down with that jab.
@LedWhisky69 Stamina- I don't know, I've heard contradictory stuff on that. Tyson said in some documentary that he had a lung problem and was always glad that fights weren't long when he KO'd his opponents. Tyson just wasn't the same after the first 6. As for the jab- I meant that Tyson gets hit by the jab.
@TheUKConman Yeah, but in that same interview, Tyson said that Ali would win. People that knew Tyson said that Ali would win. The Ali that lost to Frazier was not the same as a prime Ali. Damato said that there is no set style to defeat Ali. Before Ali and Tyson became friends, Ali explained how he would defeat Tyson; dance away, jab. Douglas did that. Tillis went the distance, so could Ali. Ali had one of the best chins out there, and so Tyson wold have to win on points. Not happening.
Tyson actually says I dunno he is the Greatest which is him just being respectful.
I know the Ali that lost to Frazier was not a prime Ali. You watch Tyson in is prime 1987 he cannot be touched He would have been all over Ali like a rash.
Ali's stick and move style works wonderfully against standard boxers people forget Tyson was a counterpuncher whos style was based on slipping the jab.
As for the chin comment everyone gets knocked out the same if hit properly e.g Tyson
@TheUKConman The stick and move is exactly Tyson's weakness. He could slip the jab, but only once he got the timing down. Ali's jab didn't have any timing, he just randomly threw it. If Tyson did slip and throw combos, Ali could clinch; nobody had the strength to get him off, not Foreman, Liston, Holmes. Patterson didn't land any combos against Ali.
Ali had great defense, and Tyson would have to get past that, and the chin. Frazier said he threw his hardest punch against Ali, flush. cont.
@carmodifire Ali got up after a 3 count. He beat Foreman, who had the highest KO ratio ever at the time (40 W, 37KO's). Ali would not get KO'd by Tyson, if Frazier kept up a sustained 15 round body attack followed by perhaps the most powerful left hook in history.
And in your example, if you are referring to Tyson being KO'd because of chin, I think it's stamina, not chin. How he shook off Ruddock's Smashes is amazing. Ali would never hurt Tyson.
@HelloIamBarnsy Your using a clip of Muhammad Ali being humble to Tyson, when at the time of the clip Tyson was in his prime and Ali was retired and brain damaged.. Ali was being humble in respect, even then during that same interview Tyson said every head must bow, and Ali was the greatest of all time, so even he knew that Ali would beat him right? Also, George Foreman definitely hit harder than Mike Tyson, and most people know this, bar the tyson fanboys.
@matrix4022 Tyson would have beat him because styles make fights tyson was perfect to beat ali.
Frazier beat Ali and tyson was similar to Frazier but on another level. He was quicker, better defensively, hit harder just alround another animal. Power is more to do with speed and timing foreman was a beast but he knocked people down not out cold like tyson.
@matrix4022 that is correct, plus the two hardest hitters of all time are 1. earnie shavers (ali beat) foreman (ali beat) and sure did take punches from them.. tyson wasnt even in the top 10 hardest hitters of all time, thats official.
Read alot of comments, it seems people forget young Mike Tyson, they only seem to recall the post CUS, Tyson. NO DOUBT 21 year old Tyson would defeat Ali, at ANY age. Tyson was on his way to become the most dominating fighter ever, but we all know how that went, kinda like the "greatest that never was" But go back and watch him from when he was 16 til his loss with Buster, he was on a lvl never touched.
of course! ali can beat tyson! tyson has the most powerfull one punch knockout but he has no stamina,desciplin, chin, and technique, he's the perpect example of one dimensional fighter. but pacquiao is defferent fraud gayweather! so stop this boxer|brawler fantasy bullshit of yours. if u really think pac one dimensional fighter! pee and fight mother fucker!
Actually Mohamid Ali admitted that Tyson would beat him in his prime. Because Tyson was a new breed of fighting. After tyson more severe boxers came. But Tyson said no Ali would win him. Its funny how nobody mentioned Sugar Ray Lenard a great himself. Unfortunately though to me Tyson was like Joe Frasier only rope a dope I believe can't be done anymore, and joe had bad vision and hearing when Ali won. They are all great though, unfortunately Mohammid suffered alot for his rope a dope.
Tyson could beat anyone when he was in his prime. He'd have a PUNCHERS CHANCE against anyone.
We'll never know anyway. These debates are dumb. How do you know for sure that sugar ray robinson could box with floyd mayweather jr? How does anyone really know?
As a boxing fan, I waited for years and years and years
for Tyson to fight Evander. I always wondered why he was ducking Evander cuz it was the fight i most wanted to see. When it finally happened, I knew why.
Ali would SMOKE Tyson. It wouldn't even have been close. At all.
@biozamadotcom what are you talking about? Tyson was set to fight holyfield before he went to prison. That would have been the real fight. Not an older out of prison tyson with a few rounds under his belt before fighting holyfield who had been in wars the last few years.
It's crazy how people forget that we lost Mike Tyson and 4 years in his PRIME while he was in prison. Had he not gone to prison, his story might be much greater. Nobody EVER brings that up.
@lighterbuds Wah! Why is there always such a wait in boxing? We see that with Floyd and Manny now, too. Instead of fighting, there's years of talk and acting, but no nitty gritty. Tyson ducked Holyfield until it was too late. That is the real story. Lots of Tyson MYTH still around. I'm surprised anyone still brings him up. What other fighter uses such excuses? What do excuses matter? Other fighters point to fights, while losers point to excuses and to stories? Tyson was exposed. He was a fraud
if ali was able to beat prime foreman, who then went on to become world champion when he was 45, then this shows that these were a different breed of boxers. foreman was world champion when tyson was around, so therefore foreman was nearly as good as tyson when he was way past his prime.
so, if ali can beat foreman in his prime, then ali>tyson NO SWEATTTTT
Ali was, and probably still is the best fighter. I cnt put anyone past Ali.
rdhayden55 6 days ago
before 6 tyson would win, after 6 ali would win. its as easy as that
1478ball 1 week ago
tyson was heavier than frazier and quicker and more powerful a 20 year old tyson would have for sure beat a 20 year old ali ,ali got better but lost a whole lot more fights than his record would suggest ,people only talk about tysons power ,but it was his speed and power that would turn a mans lights out ,he had a better punch than frazier and cooper ,ali had the better career but was helped alot cos he was a cash cow and a spokesman for the black muslims,tyson minus damato is ali minus dundee
chromeheart65 4 weeks ago
@chromeheart65
No way. A young Ali was one of the quickest fighters ever. He would dance and keep tyson at bay all day long with that jab. Tyson was an inside fighter but could never work his way inside as good a Frazier. Tyson had quicker handspeed than Frazier easily and far more power but was not as relentless. You have to be working your way inside constantly hoping to wear down Alis arms and praying to land that one shot.
willsmackyoudown 3 weeks ago 2
@willsmackyoudown Well said, I agree.
Stevetheperformer 5 days ago
@chromeheart65 Muhammad Ali minus Dundee is still the same Muhammad Ali. Dundee didn't train Ali the way you think he did, he didn't have to keep Ali focussed. All Dundee had to do is go with the flow, and be a good cornerman. He said it himself. Tyson would get his ass handed to him if he fought Ali in 1967. The only man Tyson beat was grandaddy Holmes who was about 246 years and was 9 months pregnant.
michaelyouth 4 days ago
There's only one way to find out. Build a time machine
undeadpresident 3 months ago 3
@LIVINGONTHEDOLE I'm in the minority I am sure, but I don't see "Smokin" Joe standing up to Tyson. He was able to take everything that Ali hit him with, ut let's be fair to Tyson. Ali doesn't hit half as hard as Mike. However, If Joe survives three or four rounds then it's over for Mike. I lean towards the second round KO myself.
thelordmemnoch 3 months ago
@thelordmemnoch
Yeah, I love the old school fighters but that fight is just all wrong for Frazier.
periechontology 3 months ago
@periechontology Yeah, I loved Frazier but I think Tyson would have took him out early. Tyson was a fast starter, Frazier a slow starter. If it lasted past 8 rounds, which I doubt, then Frazier would wear Tyson down and win.
Stevetheperformer 5 days ago
Hahahahaha why is their even a debate on who would win Tyson or Ali? Ali would murder Tyson just like how me murdered Frazier, Foremon, Liston, Norton, ect. Ali was just to smart of a fighter and to fast. All of you that say Tyson would win well you're pretty fuckin' stupid to think that. That's like saying Sidney Crosby is a better hockey player then Wayne Gretzky.
ImKoolWithThis 3 months ago
@ImKoolWithThis I agree with you except Norton actually had Ali's number. Norton was not as good as Ali but some fighters match up with other fighters better. I have all three Norton- Ali fights and the only one Ali really one was the second one. Norton got robbed big time in the third fight.
Stevetheperformer 5 days ago
@Stevetheperformer No i disagree Ali won the third but it was very close
revelation6415 16 hours ago
@revelation6415 No doubt Ali was the better fighter, but even Ali admitted that Norton was beating him to the punch, that he felt slower than Norton, but as always, Ali was smart- he knew how to get points. He would loose most of the round then rally in the closing seconds to make it look like he was in control- especially head shots. In the Ali- Frazier fights, Frazier woul land more punches but they were mostly body shots- Ali's were head shots, so Frazier was marked, Ali clean
Stevetheperformer 9 hours ago
Tyson would drill Ali til the ref stop the fight
illmatic826 3 months ago
@illmatic826
really? Why didn't he do it to James Tillis then?
periechontology 3 months ago
@periechontology ok Ali lover
illmatic826 3 months ago
@illmatic826
Actually I'm a Boxing lover, you're a Tyson lover.
periechontology 3 months ago
@periechontology man gtfo
illmatic826 3 months ago
nah ali would defeat tyson mentally before the fight even starterd lol. maybe i sent u the wrong message.
lubui2583 3 months ago
@lubui2583 I'm not so sure. Tyson would have thrived on it , made him even more of a mad-man if that's possible . Tyson was fearless , Ali's clowning about wouldn't have phased him one bit in my opinion . Tyson was way beyond ridicule-too mean and too angry . Ali was awesome but then love him or hate him so was Tyson.
thehitchrules 3 months ago
@thehitchrules
Tyson was well known to be psychologically fragile, and pissing the other guy off is part of why Ali did what he did. Being pissed off does not work for you in the ring, it hurts you, even if you're Tyson.
periechontology 3 months ago
@periechontology I don't think Tyson would have been pissed off at all. Under Kevin Rooney he had was very well trained and psyched up for all of his fights. 85-88 he was complete focus and out to do business personified .
thehitchrules 3 months ago
Well he was never tested in this area. Most of his opponents were terrified of him and in no position to taunt him. But we know that as a person he had a fragile psyche, even in the 80's outside of the ring where other things actually DID test him.
Tyson wouldn't fall apart immediately, but after 6 or 7 rounds of Ali dancing and jabbing him, tying him up everytime he came close and insulting him in his era, it would get to him. That on top of everything Ali would do before the fight.
periechontology 3 months ago
@periechontology Totally agree.
Stevetheperformer 5 days ago
*insulting him in his ear.
periechontology 3 months ago
You have to look at strength of opposition: ALI and Holmes defeat Tyson in their prime.
examinfo 3 months ago
If floyd says ali was better than tyson y'all should sit up and take notice coz floyd is da man
bertelliish 4 months ago
@bertelliish whoa lmao. as soon as u get his penis out of your mouth, then come talk some boxing litle g
lubui2583 3 months ago
@lubui2583 Huh? are you saying tyson was better than ali? Green horn you don't know shit lol lol
bertelliish 3 months ago
lol can't believe there are people out there that think tyson was better than ali....c'mon man.......but i do have to say that ali's ears would have been in trouble if they fought
jdstox1 4 months ago
I'll state it plain: anybody who thinks Tyson would have a hope against peak Ali is a boxing know-nothing. Tyson looked good on the way up against club fighters and beating aging fighters when he first won the title, who hasn't in history? Who did he beat under 35 with any real ability though? As for his vaunted punch, he landed plenty on Holyfield but couldn't take it when he landed back. I can't see young Foreman or Shavers hitting Holyfield so often and his being able to fight on. They...
madmax8903 4 months ago
...always say the punch is the last thing you lose as a boxer. Where was Tyson's, according to his fans the greatest puncher ever, at the end of his career when he he was pounding ineffectually on the likes of Danny Williams? Ali, with his hand speed, would have punched holes in his defence. Tyson's no Joe Frazier; in spite of the ducking and crouching he hasn't the mental strength or endurance. He'd crack under Ali's persistent jab and combinations, and be knocked out.
madmax8903 4 months ago
@madmax8903 ... or he'd floor Ali early on . You aren't the only arm-chair expert. There are plenty who'd put their money on Tyson .
thehitchrules 3 months ago
@thehitchrules Like I said, boxing know-nothings. Ali fought some of the best heavies ever, and no-one ever knocked him out. And you think that Tyson, who never really progressed from flattening tincans, could do it early? Absolutely deluded....
madmax8903 3 months ago
@madmax8903 Like I said ,yeah I do ,and there are many, many people who also think the same .You've only got to look around these forums to see that . You seem to be implying that Tyson's punch wasn't up to much ; now to me THAT'S deluded . And who are you calling people boxing no-nothings ? You're on here posting comments just like everyone else smartarse
thehitchrules 3 months ago
Floyd Mayweather knows was hes talking about, hes a great fighter just like ali was, he brags but it's all for show to get people to watch the fight other wise it's boring
revelation6415 4 months ago 2
Ok your clearly an expert on boxing whos knowledge of the sport is superior to mine.
Tyson doesnt need to get the timing down his head movement was non stop his defence in his peak was perfect. Ali would not be able to get close enough to clinch if he did it would only hinder the end result.
Tyson can hit alot harder than frazier ali was amazing but is not superhuman mate if tyson landed one on his chin flush he would be out tyson throws punches in bunches when tyson hits you he hurts you.
TheUKConman 4 months ago
@TheUKConman Ali fought the hardest puncher of all time in Earnie Shavers
NextWorldApparel 4 months ago
@NextWorldApparel
Its not all about the power tyson hits alot harder than shavers because hes alot quicker more accurate and lands combos
In the only interview with ali n tyson ali says tyson would win
TheUKConman 4 months ago
@TheUKConman And Tyson says Ali would win. Are you referring to the Arsenio Hall interview?
NextWorldApparel 4 months ago
@NextWorldApparel
tyson says -
I dunno man hes the greatest
He is just being respectful
And nbot only does Ali say hed win he says if he caught him hed be knocked out and he says he hits harder than shavers so if you have watched it you should know
TheUKConman 4 months ago
@TheUKConman tyson says shavers and foreman hit MUCH harder than him. He says Ali would beat him in several interviews. Ali didn't really say Tyson would win, he just halfass points after being asked to be nice and mumbles.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@adrenacrumb
Theres no way foreman or shavers hit harder than him weightier punches yes heavier not more power though power comes from speed.
Tyson was a flying machine
TheUKConman 4 months ago
@TheUKConman Almost any fight with Ali would go the distance, if Tyson didn't get lucky and KO him early Ali would have outboxed him. He could just pepper the jab to win rounds. Tyson was easily frustrated, just how Ali liked his opponents.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
when people compare ali with tyson,they take the tyson loss to douglas and make their predictions that ali would win but that was a disinterested bad tyson that night.He abandoned all his techniques of defensive first posture.Only the late 87 early 88 tyson vs ali.Thats a pickem.The way tyson beat alis adversary,holmes,was a demolition of a still very capable fighter(watch the holmes mercer and holmes holy fights) And this was holmes vs tyson 5 yrs younger! That particulatr tyson is the only one
fadethetrade 4 months ago
ALI even stated that Tyson would knock him out if he hit him... so there you go... coming from the man himself don't question it :)
TYSON WAS A BEAST!!
AjViShus 4 months ago
@AjViShus But as ali was often heard to say,'Hitting power don't mean nothing if there's nothing to hit'. Ali was being gracious; He would've danced rings aroung Tyson.
Nickcat5 4 months ago
@Nickcat5 Sure but tyson of late 87 early 88 was fast also.Ali was worried about hitting power when the hits landed on him ala frazier 1971.That fight alone shows a prime hungary focuses tyson would give ali NIGHTMARES especially if frazier and norton could!classic tyson was a lot like a frazier/norton mix with more power.He was strong,fast and "very awkward to hit" Holmes quote post holmestyson fight.
fadethetrade 4 months ago
@fadethetrade Holmes was 110 years old when he fought Tyson & since you like quotes so much,Tyson said something to the effect that if Holmes was younger the outcome may have been different,Implying that he probably wouldn't have won. I agree; Holmes woul've took his head off. He(Holmes) had a Jackhammer for a jab. Did you ever see the first Clay(Ali) -Liston. fight? Watch hit. I'm a Big Frazier Fan but I would have been hard-pressed to bet on him had he fought Ali a few years earlier.
Nickcat5 4 months ago
@Nickcat5 That was part of tysons great humble attitude saying holmes would beat him in his prime.Cus Damato always maintained tyson would beat holmes in his prime.ALWAYS.Styles were perfect for a 87-88 classic tyson to beat larry in 1980 or 1988 version.Makes no difference.Also,if holmes was 110 ,then vs holyfield,he was 115!!!!! and looked good vs holy. TYson slipped and eluded all great jabbers when tyson was classic 87-88.Douglas would lose to the 87-88 tyson because tyson slips douglas jab.
fadethetrade 4 months ago
@fadethetrade HIs 'Humble attitude'?? I won't even bother with that. Holyfield also was a busy fighter,Holmes hadn't been. Cus said Tyson would beat Holmes? He,D'Amato, also thought Wilt Chamberlain could beat Ali. Even Wilt's own father told him not to think about fighting Ali. Cus was good for Tyson,but he was not perfect about predicting outcomes,as none of us really are. The fact remains that Tyson was in his prime when he fought & lost to Douglas.
Nickcat5 4 months ago
@Nickcat5 The fact is you don't understand the point.Tyson by age was in his prime until 27 but his style was relying on defensive first posture .damato always told tyson if you lose your elusivness,your best asset could become your downfall.tyson was a 3 yr fighter,as frazier was as marciano was adn as dempsey was.You are a fool to take tyson and think he could be a long term champ like ali.Tyson relied on his elusiveness to beat any fighter in history.Wthout it,he was beatable.
fadethetrade 4 months ago
@fadethetra.There is no need to for name calling. No more to be said to you. Over & Out.
Nickcat5 4 months ago
@Nickcat5 The 87-88 form was able to beat ali,lewis,holy ,holmes and bowe.Becasue he was the most elusive fighter since Clay.Only when tysson lived in the gym and practiceed,practiced and practiced those techniques ,they became secondary.Against douglas,he went in looking to head hunt and stood straight up outside and took the jab all night and partied weeks before the fight and didnt have rooney to set him straight so your tyson in his prime assessment is full of shit!!!
fadethetrade 4 months ago
@fadethetrade Says you. There was no need to get nasty & stupid,But I guess you couldn't help yourself when someone disagrees with you. Over & Out.
Nickcat5 4 months ago
@Nickcat5
true. But look at the opponents Ali faced, all OLD SCHOOL type of boxing no where near the hand/head/and footspeed of some of todays heavyweights... Ali's style was revolutionary for its age and was difficult for opponents back then. It was easy to dance around opponents back then. imo 80's tyson had the same speed (maybe even faster) as prime Ali. Ali was great FOR HIS TIME, "he is the greatest?"... I don't see it, not with Tyson.. "nothing to hit?" Tyson would kill Ali :(
AjViShus 4 months ago
@AjViShus What happened toTyson when Buster Douglas hit him on the way in? Ali,Holmes & any good jabbing fighter would've picked him off .Tyson was great for a bit,But once his weaknesses were exposed,look what happened to him. Ali is considerably more gracious in his old age than he ever was before facing an opponent. Even if he,Tyson beat Ali,he would've only did it once,& never would've knocked him out Ali would've solved the puzzle & easily beaten Tyson in every match afterwards.
Nickcat5 4 months ago
@Nickcat5
We all know what happened to tyson, don't deny it...
tysons prime
1985-1989 the kevin rooney years.
Douglas would never beat a 88' tyson, i'd bet my 401k
AjViShus 4 months ago
@AjViShus Not to forget Cus D'amato's death certainly had it's effect. I'm not anti-Tyson. Liked him until he got stupid about some things. A Great Fighter for a while.Just don't think he'd match up against Ali or Holmes in their primes. Didn't think there was that much,if any difference in Tyson 88- to 90. I think he had just met a determined Douglas that night.
Nickcat5 4 months ago
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@AjViShus But as Ali was often heard to say,'Hitting power don't mean nothing if there's nothing to hit'. Ali was being gracious; He would've danced rings aroung Tyson.
Nickcat5 4 months ago
Tyson was good, but Ali was twice as nice :-)
RNOB 4 months ago
Pacquiao can beat Tyson and Ali in their primes.
tonic2gin 4 months ago
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@tonic2gin
"Pacquiao can beat Tyson and Ali in their primes"
You know nothing about boxing.How would a guy that can`t fight people over 150 pounds beat a heavyweight?
drakebudasz 4 months ago
@tonic2gin He is awesome, but a small guy.
reggiecleveland 4 months ago
@tonic2gin u obviously know nothing about boxing.
chrispyw16 4 months ago
@chrispyw16 You obviously know nothing about boxing.
tonic2gin 4 months ago
@tonic2gin manny's a fukin welterweight! wats a 66kg man going to do to a 100 kg man,not a fukin thing!
chrispyw16 4 months ago
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Ali would dance around him and be able to take the blows, dont underestimate Alis ability to take punishment lol, this guy fought 10 rounds with a broken jaw, what other fighter has done that since? Ali was a smart fighter, ton more then Tyson.
julius7651 4 months ago
Ali would dance around him and be able to take the blows, dont underestimate Alis ability to take punishment lol, this guy fought 10 rounds with a broken jaw, what other fighter has done that since? Ali was a smart fighter, ton more then Tyson.
julius7651 4 months ago
Ali would beat Tyson mentally before the fight started. Then he would systematically take Tyson apart and win by late TKO or wide unanimous decision.
DannyA123 5 months ago
@matrix4022 Take your head out of Ali's ass. He IS the greatest of all time but you must accept the fact that he did lose fights. He is not undefeatable.
LittleD123abc 5 months ago
floyd chats shit
BRUMTOWNTRU 5 months ago
Ali Ali Ali The greatest boxer ever!!!
xukun0 5 months ago
Tyson would beat Ali just as Pacquaio would beat Mayweather, 2 butterflies beaten by the best punchers of all time!!
dlc85007 5 months ago
foreman as strong as tyson ? lol back in alis day them niggas wasnt nearly as strong as they are today u stupid faggot tyson would destroy ali
batalarabe 5 months ago
@batalarabe lol foreman has much harder punches then tyson, watch foremans fights even as an old man, his japs were enough to knock somone out. but tyson was faster and had better accuracy. thats why all his knockouts look so devastating
93609890 5 months ago
ali never get knock out
tienvingers 5 months ago
i got mike tyson beating ali
icebur91 5 months ago
he would have to beat him mentally
sz42781 5 months ago
@sz42781 That would be no problem for Ali, He ain't called the greatest of all time for nothing... Tyson isn't even mentally stable.
Viper194 5 months ago
Ali would get demolished by Tyson. His rope a dope is useless on Tyson, saying Ali would get in to Tyson's head is ridiculous. Tyson doesn't think when he fights, he had nothing to live for but to box. Just a beast wanting to be loved. Ali's footwork was great but he won't win just with his feet. They both had the full package, power, speed, and agility but Tyson's skill level and determination was much more advanced than Ali's.
JiveDG 5 months ago
@JiveDG Tyson thinks trust me, but his thinking isn't what wins him fights, Ali would make him have to think even harder which is something he's not good at.
Viper194 5 months ago
a prime ali would definately handle tyson might not be easy but he would just move around tyson and jab him the whole fight, tyson will chase ali which will be the wrong thing to do because ali would come at you with that lighting speed from his left jab, ali would win ppl need to calm the fuck down about that 1 punch tyson wins, seriosly ali fought foreman enough said foreman was knocking guys out like butter. ali wins
ThePeRuAno18 6 months ago
Lennox Lewis would make them all look stupid.
DestroyerAlexandros 6 months ago
@DestroyerAlexandros u just made urself look stupid by writing that in a video that doesnt even mention lenox lewis. get laid son.
ThePeRuAno18 6 months ago
@ThePeRuAno18 Well it's just that I'm pissed off when people mention "Best boxer" and people go like "Tyson vs Ali" immediately.
DestroyerAlexandros 6 months ago
Check the interview between Ali and Cus D'mato... Tyson would have taxed that ass.
Blindianboy 6 months ago
i think tyson would win... he was too quick, too strong, too powerful, too relentless.... foreman, bonecrusher - tyson would have finished them in the first round.... you cannot compare any of alis opponents to tyson what so ever, because back then you never got people as big + quick as tyson
0salot 6 months ago
@0salot, you do know that Tyson fought Bonecrusher, right? And no, he didn't knock him out in the 1st round. He didn't knock him out at all. Shows what you know. Next, of course Ali fought bigger men than Tyson. Foreman, Liston, Terrell all bigger than Mike, and Patterson faster than him, with a nearly identical style (the D'Amato influence, obviously). Then factor in how Tyson was mentally weak and crumbled in every close fight, Ali wins all day. And Foreman would have slaughtered Tyson!
iljn1988 6 months ago
@iljn1988 sorry i meant liston not bonecrusher... how silly of me.... boxings dead nowadays, i was just saying tyson was the best and most exciting boxer ever
0salot 6 months ago
anybody saying ali would beat tyson doesn't know boxing at all
stop watching it
niceshotquanz 6 months ago
@niceshotquanz you dont know boxing..ali was just as fast and would hit ali with a jab and keep moving...
skyiscrying53 6 months ago
Tyson was an inside fighter but its not like he stalked his opponent the entire fight like other swarmers did (frazier, marciano). I watched many Tyson fights where he'll just stand and try to box with the guy and then he'll jump out at him and try to land some combinations. Its true Tyson did have great evasion and head bobbing but that was only in the early rounds. Joe frazier relentlessly went forward the entire fight, even in the latter rounds. His body in my opinion was disproportioned
willsmackyoudown 6 months ago
Both in their youth I think Tyson, simply because Ali didnt have a rope a dope or the experience as a young guy to depend on tactics, he was all athleticism. I think both of them being young an inexperienced wouldve gave edge to tyson his reflexes were as good as ali's although not as fast, wouldve caught ali eventually probably early then to me a young ali wouldnt be able to handle being in that position. But also Ali may actually be able to dance the entire fight but seems unlikely to me.
ErickJR1130 6 months ago
Not a chance. Tyson didn't like getting hit, and Ali would have stuck that jab in his face for the first four or five rounds and knocked him out around eight. Tyson would have been sucking wind by the sixth.
vgr112261 6 months ago
Tyson in his prime would ve destroyed Joe Frazier,but the way Joe Frazier was able to connect on Ali in the first fight,i would be scared to get Ali in the ring with Tyson in his prime,Now the Ali that fought Sonny Liston,ll beat Tyson regardless,but the Ali that came back after his conviction was overturned,Prime Tyson would destroy. So it all depends.
deepbg1 6 months ago
Ali would have beat Tyson. Possibly even easy. Tysons mindset was all over the place. The way Ali would have to talked him down would have more than likely REALLY got in Tysons head. Oh and Ali was a master boxer knowing his role and knowing what not to do. Ali would have kept turning Tyson around till he got dizzy. Lol. If Buster Douglas did so well with his jab just imagine it from the king of the jab. He would have been popping Tysons head back all day. Oh and Ali had pop to his shots too.
pussylicker24 7 months ago
tyson would take anyone is his prime
SuperQetuo13579 7 months ago
obviously lol
65ejbennett95 7 months ago
Ali was greater. PERIOD. And I believe he beats Tyson.
sparkz2112 8 months ago 17
@sparkz2112 I agree
auspunk79 7 months ago
The only thing people say in Tyson's favour is that "if he hit Ali, it would be over" because Mike was such a powerful hitter, but Ali took hits from men that were as strong as arguably strong than Tyson, like Foreman, and kept standing and dancing. There's just no one that could have defeated Ali in his prime and on top of his game. Not now, not ever.
matrix4022 8 months ago 19
@matrix4022 Foreman only hit Ali with glancing blows though. He threw with huge power but very slow. Mike threw rapid combinations with insane speed. He also moved his head like a madman. Foreman was like an immovable statue.
playwithmadness0528 6 months ago
@matrix4022 Comments like this simply blow my mind.
Imagine a taller, stronger, faster, more intelligent, better boxer was born than Ali ever was. You're saying he wouldn't win? Maybe it hasn't happened yet, but to say it never will is an exercise in futility.
A fast mile time in 1950 was 4:45 , now there are guys that run a 4:00 flat.
IMO Tyson would have SLAUGHTERED Ali, but that's not to say that a heavyweight twenty years from now wouldn't do the same to Tyson.
CaliforniaCarpenter7 6 months ago
@CaliforniaCarpenter7, the comparison with track and field is tedious to say the least, and makes no sense. Boxing isn't measured in numbers, distance or time. Do you reckon they could run so fast if their opponent could hinder them, as they can in boxing? Boxing has been around since 3BC, all of a sudden you think a 20 year gap is going to produce a massive gulf in evolution!? Dear me. Moreover, boxing isn't reliant on technology and conditions.
iljn1988 6 months ago
@iljn1988 I disagree.
The point is, when the precedents of what a "great boxer" or a "fast mile" are set, athletes throughout history have trained like crazy in order to set a NEW precedent.
Boxing has been around since 3 B.C.? Running has been around for longer, and yes, I believe that 20 years from now, the mile time will have dropped ever so slightly.
As for boxing? It's dead. So I guess Rocky Marciano and Tyson will still be the two greatest of all time.
CaliforniaCarpenter7 6 months ago
@CaliforniaCarpenter7, and again, you ignore the fact that boxing ISN'T MEASURED IN DISTANCE, TIME OR NUMBERS! When you look at Manny Pacquiao, do you honestly see a more balanced and technically complete fighter than, say, Kid Gavilan, Ray Robinson or Eder Jofre? I doubt it. Skill levels in boxing haven't improved since Ali's day, and nor have they really declined. Of course, there's a chance that a better Heavyweight than Ali could come along - just hope you're not suggesting Klitschko is it!
iljn1988 6 months ago
@iljn1988 Alright, dude.
Well said. I can appreciate somebody that stays composed in one of these YouTube arguments.
You definitely know more about boxing than I do. But when I watch tape of Tyson decimating his opponents, time and time again, and watch tape of Ali going the distance and weathering the storm to get decisions, I feel that Tyson would have no problem knocking Ali out.
Ali himself said that Tyson would have beaten him in his prime. Just sayin...
CaliforniaCarpenter7 6 months ago
@CaliforniaCarpenter7, no problem mate, same to you. I see your point about Tyson cutting swaythe through his opposition - but so had Liston and Foreman before they met Ali. Also, I'd add that the image of Ali 'weathering storms' and being pushed hard regularly only really applies to the older, post-exile version. In his first title reign between '64-'67 Ali was dominant in all senses, in a way that no other Heavyweight champion has been. Anyway, cheers for the debate, take care.
iljn1988 6 months ago
The difference between Tyson decimating his opponents and Ali going the distance is their competition. Most of Tyson's highlight reels are full of opponents who literally had records like 12-19, guys who'd been KO'ed in one round many times before. Ali defeated many GREAT fighters, men who are or will be in the hall of fame. Ali fought them while they were in their primes, and in some of the fights, Ali was already out of his. Mike never ONCE defeated a great fighter who wasn't long shot.
CoronaJoe 5 months ago
As for Ali saying Mike would beat him, I assume you mean the clip from the Arsenio Hall show, but.he followed it up with "Well, if he caught me, but I was pretty fast!" ...
Anyway, if you want to put so much weight into boxers comments, how about the fact that Mike said the same thing about Ali, that Ali would win? He also said the results would have been different vs a young Holmes, and that he'd never have beaten Lewis, "too big and strong" was his quote...agree with all that?
CoronaJoe 5 months ago
As for Ali saying Mike would beat him, I assume you mean the clip from the Arsenio Hall show, but.he followed it up with "Well, if he caught me, but I was pretty fast!" ...
Anyway, if you want to put so much weight into boxers comments, how about the fact that Mike said the same thing about Ali, that Ali would win? He also said the results would have been different vs a young Holmes, and that he'd never have beaten Lewis, "too big and strong" was his quote...agree with all that?
CoronaJoe 5 months ago
Neither of those two were anywhere near the greatest of all time, not even if we were only discussing heavyweights.
CoronaJoe 5 months ago
@CoronaJoe lewis? foreman?
passingpoor 5 months ago
@matrix4022 Watabaut S.R.R?
RookDP 5 months ago
@matrix4022 dude come on now tyson was also better than foreman way faster and way more elusive
bill23138 5 months ago
@matrix4022 roy jones jr could beat ali in his prime. and although foreman might have had more power he wasnt as fast as tyson or had accuracy like tyson. if ali fought tyson i dont think he would win by dancing because tyson would run in fast and it would be to much for ali. thats only if ali did what he always does, but i really cant say tyson would beat ali. but i im telling you know roy jones jr could, he was the best fighter ever in his prime
93609890 5 months ago
@93609890 Jones vs Ali?????? I can't even comment on that. It's just too ridiculous. How about Optimus Prime vs Ronald Regan? Crazy talk right? Even so, it's not as crazy as Jones vs Ali.
gjc82071 5 months ago
@gjc82071 bro, jones was a another species in his prime. He was the best ever in his prime.
93609890 5 months ago
@93609890 Yes. He was great at middleweight and lightheavy. 1 match (against John Ruiz) @ Heavyweight, does not qualify him to fight Ali. C'mon dude. Ali??? 1 thing Jones DID lack was a chin. That much has been proven. A truly strong and more importantly FAST heavyweight like Ali, would have got to him and KO'ed him. He was just too small for Ali. A good big man will beat a good little man, any day. Jones = great middle/lightheavyweight, period. NO chance against the "best" heavies.
gjc82071 5 months ago
@gjc82071 he lacked a chin but made up for it with everything else, i mean we are talking about the only fighter ever to go a whole round with another fighter without being touched, roy jones jr is out of this world
93609890 5 months ago
@93609890 The chin would play a big part in an Ali/Jones fight. Jones would never hurt Ali, but without question, Ali would hit and HURT Jones. With Ali's speed & power, he'd have kept Jones at the end of his jabs and......god, I can't even talk about this. It's just too far fetched. Why not Jones vs Frankenstein or Dracula, etc? LOL Ali vs Jones! Come on dude! BTW, Pernel Whitaker (a round without being touched). Oh, and Willie Pep once won a round without throwing a single punch! :-)
gjc82071 5 months ago
@gjc82071 wateva bro, we arent gonna agree but atleast admit that jones had the most natural talent in boxing history, he was the fastest and had some insane reflexes
93609890 5 months ago
@93609890 Exactly. I can never agree that a middle weight with a weak chin, would have a chance against what is arguably the greatest heavyweight in history. He struggled with Tarver & was unproven/tested @ heavy. As for Jones natural talent, I don't know about "most", but it's way up there. Off hand I can think of nobody with more. Ali, Mayweather, the 3 "Sugars", all had all had natural talent. I don't know who had more though. Yea, Jones was way beyond fast. Floyd is very fast too.
gjc82071 5 months ago
@gjc82071 alright cool, glad we had this debate
93609890 5 months ago
@matrix4022
Frazier knocked down Ali twice in 1971, and won the "Fight of the Century" by unanimous decision.
What Ali did in Zaïre, dancing and rope-a-dopin' was clever, but it has nothing to do with boxing. Toe to toe, trading punches, Foreman would have won. If you wanna dance, go to ballet class
Ali had great chin, but all he did was jabs. He had no demolishing left hook like Frazier, or those sledgehammer punches Foreman had.
For such a big guy, Ali's punching power was too little
DolleHengst 5 months ago
@matrix4022 ye ur right he took hit and was still standing no wander hes got parkinson, i bet he cant even hold a cup of milk before he turns it into a milk shake btw am joking ali is probably top ten heavy weights with joe louis and others
mtumnene 5 months ago
@matrix4022 not to mention earnie shavers who many boxing analysts regard as the the strongest puncher in boxing history , n that was when ali was WAYYYY over his prime n he not jus avoided being knocked out he won , its sad how sum ppl still dnt give ali the respect he deserves
blakTiGGeRXXX 5 months ago
@matrix4022 Foreman was strong, but imo Tyson hit like nobody else. I've seen fights from both boxers, and I hasten think of the monster that comes along one day that can hit harder than tyson. In the only Ali & Tyson interview, Ali even said "if he hit me..." before pretending to fall unconscious, so he even knows that one hit from tyson is lethal. Ali probably would of stuggled to mess with tyson, pre match; Tyson's too focussed, aggressive fighter to be annoyed by what Ali's said pre-match.
HelloIamBarnsy 4 months ago 2
@HelloIamBarnsy Good answer you know your stuff. Ali is the greatest but Tyson would win he was another animal Frazier gave Ali real trouble n Tyson style is similar to Frazier but ten times better in every area.
Foreman knocked people down not out cold like Tyson
TheUKConman 4 months ago
@TheUKConman the first fight, ali had a 3 yr. layoff. 2nd fight, he almost KO'd Frazier in rd.2, the ref stopped it, then continued. The third, Aliwas old, didn't train, Frazier threw more punches in that fight than in any other fight.
carmodifire 4 months ago
@carmodifire You havn't proved a point here at all or taken in what i said.
Frazier gave ali real trouble and tyson was a hundred times better in every area that gave ali trouble.
If frazier was heavier hit twice as fast, ten times harder, more accurate, nastier, better defensively and with cus as a trainer from 14 years old he would have won? the answersno.
Lets not forget everyone tyson fought in his prime was the next big thing good fighters technically excellent fighters all demolished
TheUKConman 4 months ago
@TheUKConman Actually, Ali was DOMINATING Frazier while dancing, but because of the layoff, he couldn't keep it up, and Frazier gained points later. Ali was better in every way in the 60's. Also, Tyson only had good stamina until the middle rounds, like Foreman, Frazier could go for 15. Tyson's weakness was the jab, Ali had one of the best. It would be a Ali-Liston 1.
carmodifire 4 months ago
@carmodifire It was clear from Ali-Frazier 1 that Ali didn't come prepared and in shape like he should have. For whatever reason, he started to believe his own trash talk and didn't train hard enough or take the fight seriously enough. Like you said, Ali started out great, dancing and moving, scoring points, but burned out. He lost his legs and just stood there clowning around and eating left hooks. Ali-Frazier 2 tells a much different story, doesn't it? That's an Ali who was REALLY ready.
LedWhisky69 4 months ago
@carmodifire I have to disagree completely with your assessment of Tyson's stamina and jab. On the contrary, Tyson, in his prime, always arrived in great shape and ready to go 15 rounds, not just the 12 they were fighting, but a full 15. He had plenty of stamina in those early days and could fight hard the whole way through. Also, Tyson's jab is SERIOUSLY underrated. Remember, this was a man who was 5'10" who could stiff jab a man 6'4". He's even knocked guys down with that jab.
LedWhisky69 4 months ago
@LedWhisky69 Stamina- I don't know, I've heard contradictory stuff on that. Tyson said in some documentary that he had a lung problem and was always glad that fights weren't long when he KO'd his opponents. Tyson just wasn't the same after the first 6. As for the jab- I meant that Tyson gets hit by the jab.
carmodifire 4 months ago
@carmodifire How cn you possibly say ali liston 1 dont be so silly tyson is another completely different and much more skilled fighter to liston.
The facts are this ali was the greatest but tyson was perfect for fighting ali.
In fact in the only interview with tyson and ali ali says tyson would have won
TheUKConman 4 months ago
@TheUKConman Yeah, but in that same interview, Tyson said that Ali would win. People that knew Tyson said that Ali would win. The Ali that lost to Frazier was not the same as a prime Ali. Damato said that there is no set style to defeat Ali. Before Ali and Tyson became friends, Ali explained how he would defeat Tyson; dance away, jab. Douglas did that. Tillis went the distance, so could Ali. Ali had one of the best chins out there, and so Tyson wold have to win on points. Not happening.
carmodifire 4 months ago
@carmodifire
Tyson actually says I dunno he is the Greatest which is him just being respectful.
I know the Ali that lost to Frazier was not a prime Ali. You watch Tyson in is prime 1987 he cannot be touched He would have been all over Ali like a rash.
Ali's stick and move style works wonderfully against standard boxers people forget Tyson was a counterpuncher whos style was based on slipping the jab.
As for the chin comment everyone gets knocked out the same if hit properly e.g Tyson
TheUKConman 4 months ago
@TheUKConman The stick and move is exactly Tyson's weakness. He could slip the jab, but only once he got the timing down. Ali's jab didn't have any timing, he just randomly threw it. If Tyson did slip and throw combos, Ali could clinch; nobody had the strength to get him off, not Foreman, Liston, Holmes. Patterson didn't land any combos against Ali.
Ali had great defense, and Tyson would have to get past that, and the chin. Frazier said he threw his hardest punch against Ali, flush. cont.
carmodifire 4 months ago
@carmodifire Ali got up after a 3 count. He beat Foreman, who had the highest KO ratio ever at the time (40 W, 37KO's). Ali would not get KO'd by Tyson, if Frazier kept up a sustained 15 round body attack followed by perhaps the most powerful left hook in history.
And in your example, if you are referring to Tyson being KO'd because of chin, I think it's stamina, not chin. How he shook off Ruddock's Smashes is amazing. Ali would never hurt Tyson.
carmodifire 4 months ago
@HelloIamBarnsy Your using a clip of Muhammad Ali being humble to Tyson, when at the time of the clip Tyson was in his prime and Ali was retired and brain damaged.. Ali was being humble in respect, even then during that same interview Tyson said every head must bow, and Ali was the greatest of all time, so even he knew that Ali would beat him right? Also, George Foreman definitely hit harder than Mike Tyson, and most people know this, bar the tyson fanboys.
RyderN7 4 months ago
@matrix4022 Tyson would have beat him because styles make fights tyson was perfect to beat ali.
Frazier beat Ali and tyson was similar to Frazier but on another level. He was quicker, better defensively, hit harder just alround another animal. Power is more to do with speed and timing foreman was a beast but he knocked people down not out cold like tyson.
TheUKConman 4 months ago
@matrix4022 that is correct, plus the two hardest hitters of all time are 1. earnie shavers (ali beat) foreman (ali beat) and sure did take punches from them.. tyson wasnt even in the top 10 hardest hitters of all time, thats official.
KidDynaMyt 4 months ago
Read alot of comments, it seems people forget young Mike Tyson, they only seem to recall the post CUS, Tyson. NO DOUBT 21 year old Tyson would defeat Ali, at ANY age. Tyson was on his way to become the most dominating fighter ever, but we all know how that went, kinda like the "greatest that never was" But go back and watch him from when he was 16 til his loss with Buster, he was on a lvl never touched.
stillrob420 8 months ago
fuck mma. a bunch of fags in speedos wrestling each other. wwe is far more entertaining..
miamiwax 8 months ago
ali said tyson would beat him
BRUMTOWNTRU 8 months ago
@ElConanteInterpete he said than when he was old he never would of said that in his prime Tyson also said Ali would win
DeadandPaid1996 8 months ago
of course! ali can beat tyson! tyson has the most powerfull one punch knockout but he has no stamina,desciplin, chin, and technique, he's the perpect example of one dimensional fighter. but pacquiao is defferent fraud gayweather! so stop this boxer|brawler fantasy bullshit of yours. if u really think pac one dimensional fighter! pee and fight mother fucker!
ManOfMagic1412 8 months ago
Actually Mohamid Ali admitted that Tyson would beat him in his prime. Because Tyson was a new breed of fighting. After tyson more severe boxers came. But Tyson said no Ali would win him. Its funny how nobody mentioned Sugar Ray Lenard a great himself. Unfortunately though to me Tyson was like Joe Frasier only rope a dope I believe can't be done anymore, and joe had bad vision and hearing when Ali won. They are all great though, unfortunately Mohammid suffered alot for his rope a dope.
ElCantanteIntrepete 9 months ago
He did NOT! ALi rolled his eyes when someone asked if Tyson would beat him and pointed to his head.
vgr112261 6 months ago
Kevin McBride?
Come on, stop the silly Tyson talk.
biozamadotcom 9 months ago
Tyson could beat anyone when he was in his prime. He'd have a PUNCHERS CHANCE against anyone.
We'll never know anyway. These debates are dumb. How do you know for sure that sugar ray robinson could box with floyd mayweather jr? How does anyone really know?
lighterbuds 9 months ago
As a boxing fan, I waited for years and years and years
for Tyson to fight Evander. I always wondered why he was ducking Evander cuz it was the fight i most wanted to see. When it finally happened, I knew why.
Ali would SMOKE Tyson. It wouldn't even have been close. At all.
biozamadotcom 9 months ago
@biozamadotcom what are you talking about? Tyson was set to fight holyfield before he went to prison. That would have been the real fight. Not an older out of prison tyson with a few rounds under his belt before fighting holyfield who had been in wars the last few years.
It's crazy how people forget that we lost Mike Tyson and 4 years in his PRIME while he was in prison. Had he not gone to prison, his story might be much greater. Nobody EVER brings that up.
lighterbuds 9 months ago
@lighterbuds Wah! Why is there always such a wait in boxing? We see that with Floyd and Manny now, too. Instead of fighting, there's years of talk and acting, but no nitty gritty. Tyson ducked Holyfield until it was too late. That is the real story. Lots of Tyson MYTH still around. I'm surprised anyone still brings him up. What other fighter uses such excuses? What do excuses matter? Other fighters point to fights, while losers point to excuses and to stories? Tyson was exposed. He was a fraud
biozamadotcom 9 months ago
Well, I guess Floyd's not as dumb as he looks...
madmax8903 9 months ago
if ali was able to beat prime foreman, who then went on to become world champion when he was 45, then this shows that these were a different breed of boxers. foreman was world champion when tyson was around, so therefore foreman was nearly as good as tyson when he was way past his prime.
so, if ali can beat foreman in his prime, then ali>tyson NO SWEATTTTT
dallen507 9 months ago
@dallen507 Styles make fights, just because Ali beat Foreman doesn't mean he'd beat Tyson.
Tyson is faster with a MUCH better defense than Foreman. George was way too easy to trick, hence the rope - a - dope.
But I do believe that Ali would beat Tyson, but if they were to fight at prime 10 times, I'd say Tyson would win a few.
orriray59 9 months ago
@orriray59 i like your views ;) im not puttin down tyson btw hes one of my favourite boxers
dallen507 9 months ago
@dallen507 I think Ali would beat the hell out of Tyson, lol. Even though Tyson is a beast. I love watching him fight.
orriray59 9 months ago
please, prime tyson would kill prime ali.
sk8forlife90 11 months ago
@sk8forlife90 please, learn your boxing history.
mattcollinson87 11 months ago 2