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  • they couldnt find the plane for 6 hours

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  • Only plane that didnt make it where it was going was the one headed for the White House, strange to me.

  • @1MtnBoy If you've never heard it. There's a former wtc 20 yr. employee, William Rodriguez who was the last person to get out of the north tower & called a hero for his actions that day. He's told his story & it's one that everyone should listen to, many of his unedited interviews are here on youtube. He became a "truther" only after the 9/11 commision report came out.

  • @mrh785 The biggest issue with the commission report has always been the unfinished testing by Sandia & Dayton group. "Most" of the structural steel testing was still being conducted after the initial test results were published. The 2nd round by Sandia & Dayton group had just begun when the report was pressed into review. The missing data everyone was screaming for is published now of course but thats too late to stop the controversy now, LOL

    thats been the reports biggest criticism.

  • @1MtnBoy you remember that nearby lake you mentioned, where they found debris? It wasn't really nearby, it's 6 miles away from the "crash site". face it, they shot it down. they're liars. 9/11 witnesses are being murdered, what else can I say.

  • @mrh785 Indian lake is 1.5 miles from the crash site, not 6. It wouldn't be so far fetched anyway since light debris including paper, nylon and cloth was found as far as 8 miles away (downwind).

    The FDR data recovered shows the 757 impacted intact, and struck the ground inverted at 40' nose first at over 563mph and left a crater 10 ft deep. It was not hit by an AIM-9 and broke up in mid-air.

    The facts show that it hit the ground intact at speed.

  • @1MtnBoy If I'm wrong about the lake it wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong (haaa). That doesn't change the fact that if debris was found 8 miles away as you said it can only mean 1 thing. It broke up at altitude, most likely due to a missle strike. I'm still waiting for you to show me another non-9/11 plane crash where NO debris was IMMEDIATELY visible. If it's not proof of anything it must be a common occurance. How many same day,1st time & unlikely events are willing to believe?

  • @mrh785 the 5 eyewitnesses did not see the plane struck by a missle, they saw the plane intact diving towards the ground. "LIGHT" debris. flight plans, magazine pages, barf bags, seat cushion fabric, foam, nylon ripstop fabric, etc.

    If any plane hit at 500mph creating a 10 ft deep smoking hole could toss debris into the wind easily enough. I would not want to see it, lol.

    I have to believe what the 5 folks said they saw, it matches that big hole in the ground. I am not going to call them liars.

  • @mrh785 non 9/11 crash where no debris was visible ? not sure what your point is but I am sure there are plenty of bush pilots that could tell us both stories.

  • @1MtnBoy ahhhh, "9/11 physics".

  • @mrh785 funny how that works. there are plenty of NTSB investigations far stranger than flight 93 but since they are apparently not related to 9/11, nobody gives those crash's a second thought.

  • @1MtnBoy I'd like to hear your take on the plane that hit the pentagon. Let's review, it's been almost an hour since a hijacked plane has hit WTC 1 & more than a half hour since a 2nd plane hit WTC 2. How does a 3rd plane, acting exactly the same as those 2 did, has changed its course & is now heading strait for D.C. not only gets there but makes it all the way to its target through the best defended air space in the world? I believe that "official" story is a lie too.

  • @mrh785 another example of percentages. 90% of us believe the simple facts as published, the other 10% will exist, I suppose in almost any topic you would care to bring up. Then using your logic 100% of us need to agree on anything in order for it to be true. If that was the case, we would all be master electricians and mechanics and computer engineers or else all that technology is just a hoax too.

  • @1MtnBoy OK, If you can show me 1 non-9/11 plane crash where NO plane debris was IMMEDIATELY visible then I'll consider your theory, it must be on land, obviously. I see that ya don't care to comment on the 3rd hijacked plane, C' mon! tell me how it got all the way to the pentagon without being blown out of the sky like it would've in ANY OTHER SITUATION?

  • @mrh785 There are plenty of high speed air crashes where the plane breaks up or impacts at a steep angle, there are few like this though that come in almost directly straight down. But there are a few over the years.

    From what I have read and seen on TV, there were USAF squadrons that were normally stationed close by that were not on station a few days that month, for several reasons. That put the F-16's 30 minutes out of DC. My understanding is that 2 USAF F-16's did manage to get there asap.

  • @1MtnBoy Washinton D.C. was never left unprotected, NEVER. On that morning for reasons that appear legitimate there was a gap in the defenses right at the spot that is normally the best defended airspace on earth. By yet another highly unlikely coinsidence that's when the attack took place. That is very suspicious by itself & even more so when linked with other events of the day.

  • @mrh785 Yes, I remember that too I can't recall off hand why the USAF was not stationed as they normally would have been. I heard it discussed before, just have to go read it again.

    I agree with you, at first glance it looks like we really got caught with our proverbial pants down. I have many questions about how flight 93 was ever taken over and crashed but I have no doubt that it did indeed crash right where it did.

  • @mrh785 While I agree, Yes the circumstances that unfolded that morning allowed our defenses to be breached makes me angry as hell, We must remember the ADIZ was set up initially to prevent foreign incursion into sovereign US airspace. the USAF SOP is to intercept "bogie's" with military aircraft and be escorted to the nearest airport, not blown out of the sky on sight. Now make the "bogie" a domestic airliner with 200+ souls on board and you have a whole new can of worms.

  • other than on 9/11, I can think of no other time a plane has crashed with no immediatly visible debris. I'm sorry but two dumpsters of plane pieces showing up on the internet doesn't really prove anything!, If it's not at the crash site then it could've come from anywhere. It certainly doesn't explane why debris was found 6 miles away either. Every answer brings up more questions. I won't tell you or anyone that I have all the answers but....... too many unlikely events happening together

  • @mrh785 there are many more photo's of what the scene looked like before anyone started doing the dreaded "FOD" walk across the field. most of the tail was in one piece as well as several other large pieces in a shallow lake close by. this has all been documented on film, without your coroner friend.

    True, no whole bodies were recovered, many small bits & pieces along with a lot of clothing and shoes, etc. again there are old photo's showing all this was the case.

  • @1MtnBoy The coroner I was refering to was (i don't know if he's still there) the coroner for the city of Shanksville, PA . I've never met him as I do not live in the shanksville area, so we're not friends. There was next to nothing left of that plane & now you're telling me about a whole tail section, where the hell was that on 9/11? Oh!!! that's right a "shallow lake", how convient. Hell, it sounds like they've come up a whole new set of facts!!! smells like........BULLSHIT.

  • @mrh785 PART of the tail. and more larger fuselage pieces in the lake. yes. go look it up already. all retrieved from the scene. if you bother to do a little research you will find the same photo's and lists I did. The facts have only changed for the hoaxers, they are the same today as they were on that day.

  • @1MtnBoy I'd like to know how you're so sure that this "evidence" has been documented from 2001? Because it says so? I guess that half the nation & millions upon millions of people around the world have gotten it wrong. They've had "evidence" all this time. Your the very first person I know of to speak of this in close to 10 years, doesn't that seem strange? They shot the plane down, but it's a better story if they say it was a passenger revolt. The plane debris was scattered for miles!

  • @mrh785 New cast footage from TV and photographs taken by NTSB invesitgators. and there were 5 eyewitnesses who watched the plane hit and were able to validate the physical evidence seen. There are far more folks out there than me. I am not the first to present this well documented evidence. unfortunately there are those that insist on a cover up but have so far provided no credible evidence, yet their incompetent speculation persists despite all published information, God only knows why.

  • @1MtnBoy The thing is man, that I'm not calling YOU stupid or questioning your knowlege. What I'm saying is the people your believing are liars. Over time I've noticed that when questions have come up, in some cases, new "proof" has found it's way onto the internet. It will happen again. I don't believe that a hijacked plane (35-55 mins. AFTER both WTC towers have been hit) can make it into Wash. D.C. which is the best defended airspace in the world & get all the way to it's target. NO WAY

  • @mrh785 Why would the FAA & NTSB lie ?and why would their findings verify the eyewitness accounts ? Hmmm. see this is where the facts and speculation diverge,nobody has ever been able to provide an alternate explanation that is supported by the facts observed, yet their lies and innuendo's and uneducated opinions are still promoted as facts, even if though they contradict recorded evidence from the scene. so there is no proof, just speculating without regard for the facts shown.

  • @1MtnBoy I guess we disagree on what the credible facts are. I'm going by pictures & witnesses, your going by pictures & witnesses. If you think the truth movement is based on speculation you've been mis-informed. Unfortunately your probably not the only one. Just remember, people where once told that JFK was killed by one man & "the magic bullet". If there is now all these plane parts then why where we told it "disintegrated" 10 yrs ago? They can't both be true.

  • @mrh785 There are many supporting facts. the issue really is: who is actually trying to reconcile all the evidence using their opinion and who is actually trying to reconcile the evidence using the facts. I don't recall any other missing UA757 that made a smoking hole that day in Penn. The eyewitnesses are listed by name on the net, One fellow has passed away recently I recall. the other 4 are there to interview anytime, nobody has recanted their witnessing the crash first hand.

  • As a veteran of a Marine crash crew, and at the crash site of a couple plane crashes, I can say with all honesty that a plane didn't crash at Shanksville! Fires should have been everywhere! No debris! Plus they just found the "Black Box"! 8 miles away! An 8 mile debris field says one thing! The plane broke up at altitude! Most likely from a missile strike!

  • if there was enough fire in a plane to bring down the tallest building in the world..where is the raging inferno of fuel from 93?

  • @MrMojoRisin53 fuel sorry*

  • lol

  • OMG, slap ! where did that 757-200 come from ? those 2 dumpsters full of plane debris (luggage etc) come from, and where did all that N591UA FDR and all that data come from? silly NTSB guys, you got the wrong crater !! thats another 757-200 crash stupid humans......

    OK #1

    they did recover over 600 lbs of human remains. it was used to provide DNA evidence for the victims families.

    #2 they did recover about 1/2 of the aircraft and the FDR, 25 ft down.

    #3 mound is the strip mine at the site

    NEXT!

  • @1MtnBoy man C'mon!!!

  • @mrh785 Go look it up ! there are pictures of 2 dumpsters full of small pieces of the plane collected.

    Human remains were recovered and the DNA evidence was used to help identify the remains for the victims families.

  • @1MtnBoy It's funny how yrs later, when questions arise, a few months later "evidence" shows up online. I know that the coroner who arrived at the site right after the crash said "after 20 mins I stopped being a coroner cause there weren't any people". Then the official story was that this plane, like the one that hit the pentagon, "desintagrated" & now you're telling me this!?!. Assumeing your right then they've changed their story AGAIN. Face it man, something isn't right here.

  • @mrh785 This debate has persisted since day-1 despite all attempts at logic. Nobody came up with anything "years later" this is all published News, FAA & NTSB material from 2001.

    The fact that I was not aware of a flight 93 hoax debate on here until recently does not diminish the facts I am using. There were no whole bodies that I read about, just lots of fragments, like the pentagon, teeth, bones, blood and other bits. and a lot of clothing, especially shoes & seat cushions littered around.

  • I love how he says "but I AIN'T stupid either." lolllll

  • WOW !!! Excellent video, thanks for sharing it . TOTALLY love that line ...."the 911 drug is wearing off"...totally agree it's the "smoking gun" ...NOT building 7, which is where they want everyone looking .....again excellent job

  • so where'd Flight 93 really go? or did it never exist... Perhaps the people who died in 93 where really on the other planes that hit the towers; but they manipulated the records to make it look like there was people on a flight known as "93".... this does look like a smoking gun.

  • YOU ARE NUTTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­

  • thanks for posting this, I've been hunting for a video or photo of that scar previously present for 5 years. saw it once and it disappeared. This is another smoking gun of deceit. a woman in that area SAW a drone go right over her minivan, up over the trees and straight down on the other side where the alleged crash of an airliner happened. the engines would fit 2 to a backhoe scoop...airline engines are 9ft in diameter...this is great. kudos.

  • Planes that crash don'r leave a 7 mile long debris field.

  • Check out dallasgoldbug Yt channel about the Giffords Tuscon Az shootings.

    Fake, and staged.

  • They faked all the crashes!

  • COME ON DEBUNKERS, EXPLAIN THIS..

  • @babanapeal which explanation do you need more? there was no plane crash of flight 93. the plane didn't crash, just watch the video. use google earth, make your own research and you'll see that all this stuff is true!

  • @TobyTobsen82 Thats what I am saying, the plane didn't crash.

  • @babanapeal sorry, now i got it ;-)

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