the US Empire will collapse. but how can we get our heads around that fact?

[kurtilein3]

@KKKSuperFan

illegal immigrants are not the problem, the problem is that entrepeneurs can easily make these illegal immigrants work for less than the minimum wage.

but of course all these foreign wars in distant countries dont make the US safer, to the contrary, US foreign policy inspires those terrorists, real defense would look different. real defense is when you know the troops are there and can fight and strike back effectively if necessary, but you see only diplomacy.

[CMRage]

We need a complete shift in thinking.

Hopefully in education, technology and shift from limited fuels.

With development of electric motors that put out more power and torque than combustion engines, Solid State Battery technology, geothermic, solar, hydro and wind sources. 2 solar panels would be enough to charge your car daily for LIFE.

If a collapse comes it will be those that embraced these forms that will survive and thrive.

You're only salvation is to evolve.

[ssgkillsuall]

there comes great benefits for an empire around the world falling ex russia france england

[Pfsif]

It's going to get harder over here no doubt!

[Charlie666XZ]

A! where are we going

and WHY are we in this handbasket?

9/11/2001 was AMERICA's Reichstag fire

Think people!

[moegreen2]

Have you ever filled e85 on your car? I had no idea that was 85% ethanol, 15% gasoline. The usa will have enough corn fields for alot of ethanol fuel, don't think europa is better off? "Brazil's ethanol consumption today covers more than 50% of all energy used by vehicles in that country" From wikipedia on ethanol, they are half way there^^.

[moegreen2]

The silicon would be much the same as hydrogen, it does not solve anything unless you have enough electrisity. And half of it comes from coal as far as I know. Plant oil might be something. I think they are making some of that in the us. Gene manipulate some cactus and make them store oil instead of water. Or maybe better, genemanipulate some seaweed too make it. But as it is now, we can not make it fast enough whatever we do.

[moegreen2]

I just calculated some more, you need about 4.4kwh too make 0,79l of hydrogen in luquid form, not sure about the source tho, but it sounds about right. This will make about 18l a day. The bmw hydorgen7 can run about 10km on 18l. Enough for my use. But I would need 4.4kw/h, hehe, and that is alot. This could recharge an electric car many times over, and an electric car can go atleast 3times as far. Just wanted too put it in perspective.

[moegreen2]

"the US Empire will collapse" I guess too some extent. But the oil will be a problem for everyone. With enough hydrogen plants and nuclear powerplants we might do the tranaction somewhat ok. As far as I know, hydrogen is more potent, the problem will be too make it fast enough.

[kurtilein3]

hydrogen is not a source of energy, because it does not naturally occur in its elementary form on this planet.

creating hydrogen requires as much energy as you get out of it in a fuel cell, thats if all machinery you use is 100% efficient without any loss.

hydrogen is only a way to store and transport energy. like lithium batteries cannot be a source of energy because you dont find charged lithium batteries in nature, you dont find elementary hydrogen that you could burn anywhere in nature.

[kurtilein3]

nuclear energy will help. did you watch bill gates recent talk on tedtalks? he also says nuclear will be the most likely solution.

but it only provides electricity, and infrastructure will be the real problem. infrastructure appears to be largely combustion engine and jet engine based, meaning cars trucks and airplanes. shifting from that to an infrastructure that runs on electricity, meaning electric cars and railroad systems to replace trucks and airplanes, will be a major transition.

[moegreen2]

No, I did not, but I don't like the coal crap, only got watermills where I am from^^, but I think we should make a nuclear plant and sell the energy^^. More jobs and stuff.

Ofc hydrogen is a source of energy. We just need to compansate for the production costs with more powerplant. If we do this we got a better and polluting free energy. And we don't need too change anything, only adapt the cars and stuff we got. But I do not know if it's possible too make enough of it tho.

[moegreen2]

At some stage we must start too recycle energy anyways. I do not think there are any polluting free options except from hydrogen. Do you know of any?

[moegreen2]

I guess it's not possible with hydrogen. I checked it out, and we would need 3000 nuclear plants just too get enough energy. I did not know oil was that potent. I guess we need a new energy source or something.

[kurtilein3]

oil just is a tremendously potent and useful and easy to deal with form of stored energy.

by the way, if you want to know the basics about everything that has to do with physics, then go to the channel "ucberkeley" and watch "letters and science". the course is also called physics for future presidents.

[88arau]

@kurtilein3: Is it true you guys pee sitting down?

[kurtilein3]

electricity.

[kurtilein3]

another option would be to reduce quartz, which is silicon oxide, into pure silicon. you can get the energy back out of the silicon by reacting it with oxygen from the air. (before you ask: yes that means that there actually is a lot of energy stored in silicon-based integrated circuits, it requires lots of energy to make them).

quartz is abundant anywhere and you could trade/store/move the elementary silicon just like coal.

[mpctheg]

@kurtilein3 yes, but sio2 is bonded covalently, so it is not very easy to reduce it back to pure silicon/oxygen. it takes energy, about as much energy as you get from an oxidation reaction, so it's not very efficient

[mpctheg]

@moegreen2 hydrogen is hard to store at any pressure as the molecules (diatomic)

are small enough to escape most containers

[moegreen2]

@mpctheg You can tank with it at some gass stations, so they have solved it. But it's not a substitute, might be usefull where they have to much electrisity and can't sell it.

[kurtilein3]

moegreen2:

im sorry to say but i think someone misled you about hydrogen. its a way to store and transport energy, its actually quite similar to natural gas, just that its a pure element and you artificially produce it.

electricity already does a good job at transporting energy, electricity itself is what hydrogen technology would need to beat. like electricity, its in itself very clean but you have to make it somewhere, and at best it will replace electricity in certain applications.

[bloozman32323]

The Fed is a private for profit bank with shares thatt can't be traded. There is a bill to audit the Fed that has over 250 co-sponsors in the House yet that gets no airplay. There was a secret meeting of the House of Reps last year. Only the 4th time in the history of the US yet it didn't make the news, DUH? Conspiracy crap my ass. Get off the couch people and do your due diligence while you still have a free internet. This collapse is being orchestrated to bring in a one world government..

[kurtilein3]

dmitry orlov does not indicate that a conspiracy will cause the collapse. and i also dont indicate that.

and the people that have power in the current system will try hard to prevent or delay this collapse. i think they will eventually fail.

no backroom conspiracy can change the fact that crude oil is running out, and while they can start wars to get control over what is left they do not have the power to ultimately change anything about this fact.

[bloozman32323]

People should watch the Dmitry Orlov video before posting. It is extremely powerful. As far as conspicacy theories....get out of the dark ages people. Conspiracies are a fact of life in the business and political world. Ever wonder why gas prices all change nationally in unison? Or why there is no video footage of the war in Iraq? Or how an unknown like Obama can become president but someone like Ron Paul gets no airplay or is ridiculed?

[kurtilein3]

there is plenty of footage of that war, its just that journalists were either embedded in the military, or they could easily end up becoming victims of that war. so the picture we get focuses on the perspective of the soldiers, not on the perspective of the local people. but there still are ways to get that second perspective.... in alternative media.

[WimDeVolder]

I think it won't collapse, officially that is.

super bonusses are there again, it's the first you see after a crisis situation.... "Make sure our big boys can continue their usual...... habits".

As soon as a little money is available again, it's spend on the same things it was spend on previously.

It's a matter of American habit : Women & Children first and all for themselves.

I don't see America change their idea's concerning all for themselves and the strongest survive.

[WimDeVolder]

As long as there is no serious awakening in that every single being has to think further than their own street, there will be no positive reaction.

Same dogma's as the social security ""drama"". It's all about freedom, freedom to think for yourself, freedom to think about yourself, freedom to think ONLY about yourself and not the other.

[Mikeltxmn]

Next time reconsider before you post garbage like this.

[kurtilein3]

are you aware that your comment only shows that you disagree, but does not contain any information about the topic being discussed?

truth is not a democracy, so pointing out that you disagree is meaningless. give arguments that can be discussed, or dont.

[Mikeltxmn]

You want comment....How about the fact that a general statement like the U.S. will collapse is very subjective. What exactly is the criteria for a collapse? What research have you done that leads you to believe this? Yes the empire meaning specifically the military base overload and troop dispersion is unsustainable. But you don't even define what "empire" means. Is it the economy? The military?

[kurtilein3]

definition of empire? if there is one nation that has by far the strongest military on the planet and uses it to defend its own interests and to punish nations in their sphere of influence for doing something against its interest, then i call it an empire.

definition of collapse? well, if that military power suddenly disappears, if the dominance over foreign countries disappears and if the empire loses the ability to project power beyond its borders.

[Siddis33]

I don't think that there will be a dramatic collapse like in the soviet union. US has the advantage that all its debt is in dollars. When the $ goes down the debt will be reduced. But also, peoples wages will go down and the foreigners need to use the $ in the US to buy production facilities. The changes will seem gradual, but the US will look very different in 20 years.

[kurtilein3]

i dont think it will be gradual at all.

a falling dollar might hurt your oil imports which might crush your infrastructure. a falling dollar will also not help you to get out of debt, because there is more debt than dollars around, and the FED can only "print" dollars by creating more debt as a side-effect. then there is china. there are some vicious cycles that you need to watch out for, and i think some of those have already started turning. and some appear to be spinning out of control.

[kurtilein3]

but if it really is too late, and there will be some kind of collapse, then you can make it less bumpy and much less painful for the people by making the right decisions. thats why i want to raise awareness about the possibility. maybe people in the US need to start to actively work to make the collapse less dramatic and more gradual, instead of hoping that it will not be that bad and doing other things.

[MicrosoftsourceCode]

With the energy equation people over look the science of energy. Most of out energy is produced from matter. Once the Energy is used up it does not disappear and can be reused if you stop the governments using pseudo science to scare the shit out of everyone. Most of the energy wasted is on repetitive useless tasks like wars and the biggest problem is overpopulation. People do not like to talk about overpopulation because babies are supposed t be cute.

[kurtilein3]

on what planet have you spent most of your life?

once fossil fuel has been burned, how can it be re-used? that sounds like pure nonsense to me.

what pseudo-science are you talking about? physics, chemistry? are you sure that you are not confusing pseudoscience with real science?

could you please define the word "energy" for me, to see where you are coming from?

[MicrosoftsourceCode]

There is potential energy and kinetic energy. If you spent more time debating with intelligent people you would not forget. Solving problems is not very helpful if you let emotions get in the way. A battery has potential energy. It's energy becomes kinetic when it is in a closed circuit. All energy that is not put to good use is potentially useful. Even the heat from so called global warming can be used to produce other forms of energy

[kurtilein3]

microsoftsourcecode:

a better definition would be to say that energy can be used to perform work. it is something like work potential. global warming is no useful energy, unless you can show how you can turn it into work. temperature alone is not really usable energy, you need differences in temperature in order to get work out of it. a battery has energy stored in it, because you can use it to power a motor.

it is this work potential that makes energy useful.

[MicrosoftsourceCode]

What is wrong with growing more evergreen plants to soak up all that C02. Pseudo science is when politicians and the money men hijack the global warming issue and talk about carbon offsetting and carbon tax. Most of the solutions require that are leaders and ourselves get rid of old habits. We have stopped smoking in public places now we need to stop creating thing we do not need. Example is newspapers when we have Internet, TV, radio and cellphone that can bring you the news.

[MicrosoftsourceCode]

I leave on the same planet with you only I have chosen not to be sidetracked by childish arguments about whether there is a god or not. Solutions to most problems are much simpler to achieve if you concentrate on finding the solution rather then get into arguments about personalities. this is a trap that many people on yt fall into. When made aware of certain facts we all take time to adjust. If you don't take the time to think then you lose the plot.

[StevoDog21]

A rather laughable notion of world economics and geopolitical reality, and a fairly childish view of world history are evident in your remarks, but then that's always been the hallmark of the Amnesty International party line, which stems far more from desperate wishful thinking than from any real grasp of the actual situation. Leftist looney-tunes like you have been confidently predicting our "collapse" since, oh, 1776 or so.

Hope springs eternal I guess, but- don't hold your breath.

[pmarie2003]

My goal is to stay away from people, not meet more of them! I find that most of the time they are far more trouble than they are worth and I have nothing in common with the vast majority of them. You have to remember, this is the U.S. where ignorance is rampant. Virtually no one that I know reads anything. They glue their face to the TV and believe what they are told. They know how to do their job, and that is ALL they know. Yes, I live in a small town, but it is south of Houston, TX.

[kurtilein3]

what kind of people do you expect in the local amnesty international group?

there might be some people in there that really dont read much. there might be some ignorant people in there. but they will trust the annual AI reports about the status of the world (basically a brilliant book that gets published each year) more than their TV.

it may be difficult, but you REALLY CAN find structures that have a very strong tendency to attract the people that you might consider worth it.

[AcidAndVodka]

Why do you hate America?

[kurtilein3]

how did you arrive at the conclusion that i hate america?

do you hate the truth so much that you need to assume that the only reason why i made this video is because i supposedly hate america?

if i would really hate america, i would not have made this video. the concept of "hate" implies the concept of "enemy", would you warn your enemy about dangers that are ahead?

next time think before you post.

[AcidAndVodka]

Just the fact you assume what you are saying is the ˝truth˝ and ˝it vil hapen˝and not just your personal analysis,that tells me you just hate America.

What you made is not a ˝warning˝,but a mockery.

[kurtilein3]

so you say that the US will be able to pay back its debt?

lol. you need to explain it. how is the US dollar not going to weaken if the fed keeps printing obscene amounts of money? and how will the US infrastructure survive it if the dollar weakens? what i really dont like is people that are unable to deal with facts, unable to draw conclusions if those conclusions are uncomfortable.

[SKUNKBALLScom]

thanks!

Having to printout wikipedia articles.. That's a harsh reality, but very realistic

[kurtilein3]

qbe9584:

ill send you a PM to respond to your comments.

[transnatic]

thats no ugly chick.,

[UltimatePuppy]

I don't think the US will collapse in the terms of things like no electricity, sort of how you described with people should print out Wikipedia articles and the mentioning of TV connecting people, but it might collapse in the terms that it could no longer be a world superpower if we have so much debt that we end up not being able to afford super weapons, or a massive military.

[UltimatePuppy]

Also, I would like to note I don't actually think it would happen, just that perhaps it's possible. I hate YouTube's low character limit. =/

I myself think everything'll just be fine eventually.

[isreasontaboo]

The US won't collapse. Any fall of the dollar would stimulate US exports, make oil more expensive than locally produced renewable energy and ultimately lead to a normalisation of the situation. The real big problem is the US/Remnimbi peg that keeps the yuan artificially low and the USD artificially high, allowing China to save more than it should and the US to borrow more than it should.

[kurtilein3]

isreasontaboo:

the problem is that oil will not only become more expensive. you will not be able to get as much oil into the US as the US needs.

the people will make it through, but the empire wont. when you get lets say 30% less oil (and all other imports going down as well) while not being sufficiently adapted for that, what do you think will happen? i say people will not arrive at work, frozen food will not make it to the supermarket, it will be crushing for employment, tax revenues, ...

[isreasontaboo]

The lack of oil affects EVERY nation, not just the US.

Renewables have to be massively pushed and the huge trillion dollar investments worldwide are even the cure for the current deleveraging.

[kurtilein3]

the US invested trillions in its financial sector, but not in renewable energy.

and this only moved debt: your financial institutions are still under water, but much of their debt has been moved to the federal government. the whole US dollar as a currency is doomed if the government is unable to pay back this debt, and is unable to stop the printing press now that they started printing dollars. while other nations will struggle to adapt, the US will struggle to get a working currency.

[isreasontaboo]

They can repay the debt. Don't believe these anti-fractional reserve banking conspiracy theories. What matters is debt/GDP ratio and that of i.e. Japan or Ireland is a lot higher. New wealth will be created. New money CAN be printed without it debasing the currency whenever GDP grows again, even though it will take time but the USA are a resilient lot. And I'm not from there myself, btw.

[kurtilein3]

isreasontaboo:

US GDP didnt grow during the last decade, only the financial sector has been growing rapidly, inflating GDP. now the GDP as well as tax revenues are falling, while the fed is printing dollars like there is no tomorrow.

how are you going to pay back the debt? if you use printed money for that, while GDP and tax revenues continue to fall, the dollar will weaken. so, HOW is the US going to pay its debt back?

[isreasontaboo]

A weaker dollar is good for US exports and/or tourism. Don't compare the USD to i.e. the Zimbabwe dollar, a country that printed money but did not produce ANYTHING. If the dollar fell to historically low levels then many more tourists will travel there, buying dollars to spend there thereby supporting it. More US products will be exported, stimulating the dollar again. It could NEVER fall to i.e. EUR/USD = 4.50 or something ugly like that. Let alone trillion dollar bills to buy a hamburger

[kurtilein3]

isreasontaboo:

the US is an importing nation. you do not produce much. and when the US dollar weakens, and US infrastructure collapses, the consequences of this will probarbly scare away most tourists.

when it comes to the exports you are referring to, do you only include stuff that is actually being produced in the US? or do you include stuff that is just put into different packaging in the US but actually comes from china?

[isreasontaboo]

First stop saying "you" thereby assuming that I'm American. Not that I'd be ashamed to be one but because I want to point out how one can be European yet pro-American. Second, the US weren't an exporting nation because of a dollar that was too strong. Globalisation dynamics are so fast that a weaker dollar could mean more (new) exporters from the US. The dollar could never fall to abysmally low levels à la Zimbabwe.

[kurtilein3]

i dont like the US government, but im not anti american, i like people in general and some US citizen are among those people that i like the most. its about facts, and drawing conclusions from those facts.

zimbabwe levels of inflation are NOT necessary to cause US infrastructure to collapse. its enough if oil supply in the US is being reduced by lets say 30% before the US can prepare for it. if global oil prices rise, and they will, and the dollar falls a bit, it can happen easily.

[kurtilein3]

... second comment

about half of oil imports are used for agriculture, the other half is used for vehicles. this IS a significant part of US infrastructure. reduced oil imports will cut into it (or into food supply) like a hot blade into butter.

i want to warn people, so that they can hopefully prepare better. one thing that could help the US, including as i mentioned quite a few people i really like, would be to find alternatives to the highway system that are crisis-proof IMMEDIATELY.

[BeechBumagan]

Why do you think the US will collapse like former Soviet Russia did? With a bang. In part because the country was for a long, long time built on shaky financials, despite its wealth of nature resources. Why would the US not go into a somewhat long and steady stagnation like Great Britain, which lost its Empire after being bankrupted by two world wars and a major loss of colonial assets?

[kurtilein3]

beechbumagan:

the problem is that the US relies too heavily on oil. otherwise, i would agree with you. once the US dollar weakens, the US will be unable to get as much oil as it needs. so some people will be unable to go to work, frozen food wont arrive at supermarkets, companies that have a business model that relies too much on oil will be gone, and this in turn will have dramatic impact on tax revenue. thats why i think it will happen rather quickly, infrastructure and oil.

[centervilletn]

there is a growing number of americans who agree with you. I read orlov over a year ago...folks here are preparing and continue to prepare. great video!

[noproofforjesus]

sorry man i disagree totally and we will see in the next 8 years what happens if your right i will say it but i don't think so. the big dog on the block will give up so easy. you better hope that things don't go to shit here if are government gets in the hands of those who see the only way to get stuff is to take it we will be back to roman times but with nukes and the most kick as fighting force on the planet. for some reason you think we couldn't take what we what. your lucky were not like the

[noproofforjesus]

invite people to live with me. fuck that are you on mars man what planet do you live on there has never been peace on earth and there never will there will be as it is human nature try to rule others do i hope in the distant future we will have some kind of one world government with freedom for all like in the states maybe more freedom then this but what you are talking about is some hippie idea of peace on earth where no one has more than the other this sounds like Communism

[noproofforjesus]

enough with this get every one to like you shit once the usa wakes up to this then we will be better of on top of this we have tons of natural gas that can power us for a shit load of time if need be i think you think the usa will be like o well fuck it lets let it crash unemployment gets to high they will need to stop all this high tax shit to have biz come back home. the country wont just fall apart you have lost it man but i would expect this from someone outside the usa, u hope we crash

[kurtilein3]

qbe:

or here, a much shorter video that is on youtube.

watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg

viggo mortensen reading a segment of howard zinns "a peoples history of the american empire". after watching it, do you still think that the US is not an empire?

[kurtilein3]

qbe9584:

you should watch noam chomskys documentary "manufacturing consent". its online on google video.

the US behaves like an empire and has the power of an empire. if the executive wants to go to war in, lets say, iraq, all they need to do is to feed some propaganda to the corporate media, which will then repeat and spin the propaganda 24/7. it doesnt matter if the truth gets out later, they DID invade iraq, and now they do make sure that their corporations get the market and the oil.

[kurtilein3]

"Russia will use force to claim the Caucuses and their pipelines to strangle Western Europe."

with force, do you mean, military force? are you aware that this would lead to a nuclear war between russia and france+UK? on the very day that russian troops set foot on european soil, the UK and france will threaten the use of thermonuclear force against russian cities, especially moscow.

[noproofforjesus]

the government will fall in line or the people will vote them out. we just haven't seen this yet all over but trust me Americans are not good with suffering for the environment especially kids of today they talk big but once they cant live get a job because of some green movement they will change there tune. my prediction is a huge change in power in are government and you will see this nice guy thing go away.

[noproofforjesus]

so in the end, if the American people think the only way to survive is to drill of shore go super nuclear then we will do that. the American people put the environment first only when it doesn't effect them once we have a gas crisis or food price go up things like this you will see people all over begging for nuclear and drilling off shore this country hasn't seen this in are generation once it does the environment will be the last thing on peoples mind.

[kurtilein3]

offshore drilling and nuclear energy will not save you in this situation, it just wouldnt be enough.

much of the "green movement" is about sustainability. and the problem with the US empire is that its based on and utterly reliant upon strategies that now prove themselves to be unsustainable. uranium and oil are limited, and the whole planet is running out of both of it. focusing more on unsustainable things will only cause the US to hit the wall faster and harder.

[ardamels01]

Although I often find myself agreeing with you Kurtilein3, I dont' just this once... First off I think that although the US may be in decline atm they will recover if they fix their financial institutions and focus on moving away from the use of fossil fuels. And we will never run our of uranium. The average concentration of uranium in the earth crust is aprox. 4 mg/kg. There are HUGE amounts of uranium that could be extracted for nuclear use.

[kurtilein3]

ardamels:

i think you are wrong about uranium. all the easy to get uranium has already been mined, its getting more and more difficult. and extracting concentrations that are too low doesnt work beyond a certain treshold.

think about what processing you would need to do with your 1 kg of rock to get those 4 mg of uranium out of it. grind it to powder? melt it? how much energy will it take, how much can you get out of those 4mg uranium?

[hugo987]

Könntest du mal ein Video über Mathe machen? Ich glaube das würden nicht so viele interessieren, aber du bist doch Mathematikstudent. Da gibts bestimmt was interessantes. Spieletheorie oder Kryptographie sind interessante gebiete.

[noproofforjesus]

dude i find it funny how all these people from these small country's are thinking the usa will collapse. one you don't live here so your perspective is skewed. it would be like me telling you how things are in your country this is just silly. as for oil we have an ass of a president and he will be voted out in 2012 as well as dem controlled congress in 2010 there numbers are horrible.

[kurtilein3]

noproofforjesus:

im not sure that i correctly understand what you want to say.

so you say a different US president will cause the amount of oil left on our planet to suddenly and magically increase? how? and how is the US going to get rid of that debt without devaluing the dollar in the process?

[noproofforjesus]

your kidding right, how much fossil fuel do you think is left 2 years worth im sorry but the USA will drill us nuclear energy until we have the renewal fuel in a coast effective manner. comparing the USA to the USSR is freaking crazy we are nothing like them. so no i never said a new president would make magic happen i said the USA will do what it has to to keep its power in the world. this pres, is a fucking pussy apologizing all the time.

[bestckt]

The boy just spends over ten minutes telling me that my life is going straight to hell in a handbasket and then ends it with "the future is bright".....

[kurtilein3]

i always use this ending sentence... this is one of the few videos where it does not really fit.

and no, if you dont want it your life wont go to hell. focus on what is necessary, get to know the people around you, cooperate, adapt. if you have the guts, lead. otherwise contribute. but first of all: connect.

[jacobromu]

Almost ready for new microphone eh?

[kurtilein3]

-.- new sound card. and somehow i really dont want to replace my creative labs sound blaster 16. its like an oldtimer car, a part of history that is still alive. and when you listen to music, its just perfect, many modern onboard sound cards dont deliver this kind of bass. but i guess i have to replace it sooner or later.

[metalorg]

One of big lenders to the U.S. is Japan, but for some reason Japan also has a debt 200% the size of their GDP. Weird eh? Are they borrowing money to lend us money?

As oil speculation declares a declining source of oil the price will go through the roof. That's the time everyone will invent better engines. We'd have a few years of 20 people in pick-up trucks because it's too expensive. It's not going to run out instantaneously.

[NEWSTOGOD]

Kurt-you appear depressed and you are making the argument with a bunch of unrelated facts like a christian. You have no idea of the the strength of the USA financially-the illegal drug trade here is bigger than the German economy. US infrastructure is beyond massive. The current financial hit is severe for sure and oil will run out some day- I suggest our biggest threat is the Muslim religion and ignorance that is my short term fear. Your too bright to stick your head in the sand. Take care.

[kurtilein3]

US infrastructure beyond massive? what exactly do you mean? a massive highway system, and a railroad system that is apparently so dysfunctional that people prefer using airplanes.

germany is exporting about as much as china are exporting, those two nations are the biggest exporters on the planet. the US is importing, and paying for it with debt. financially, the US is ruined, your "financial strength" will simply drown in debt.

[NEWSTOGOD]

Hmm, You appear to want the US to fail. Where rail is available it is used -- the US east coast. If is was not for the US imports Germany and a lot of other countries would be in rough shape. You want people to panic for what purpose? Debt can be paid over time-- what is your hurry for the end of the world? Dig a hole jump in with some canned goods. Meanwhile, I am confident in the Good old USA . I think you need to read some stuff more to the right --you are lost in leftist propaganda.

[PopolVuh2]

Confident in the Good old USA lol

[kurtilein3]

NEWSTOGOD:

i am serious, considering all the data i have access to, i think it will happen. and yes, it will be devastating for germans exports, and i am living in germany. i just want to prepare people for the inevitable.

and.. hypothetically, if there would be no problem, the how could a youtube video create one? if you think that a simple panic caused by a youtube video could crash the system, then what kind of system is that?

[NEWSTOGOD]

If in fact your scenario were to take place, you would need more than a few neighbors. Atomic energy will become more acceptable--hydrogen will power cars and homes -- life will go on- you however won't be able to enjoy it-in that hole with a can of sour kraut :) seriously disappointed in you willingness to give up on the world -- you should be part of the solution. Panic has no value in either case collapse or not. It's like getting ready for death-what a bore.

[kurtilein3]

i definitively wont retreat into a bunker or anything like that :)

im living in munich, and here i just dont need a car, university, my workplace, my friends, everything can be reached quickly using public transportation. i wont panic, i dont want anyone to panic. but you have to consider that the situation is quite different here in germany, and a lot of preparation has already been done.

[NEWSTOGOD]

I live in Florida USA-I can walk to doctor-bank-restaurants-golf course. It's terrific-Formerly from MI weather is just too severe to walk in winter. Trains were widely used in the 30-40's -they were called

Interurbans -My grandfather walked 7 miles each way to work at Buick-year around. Economy will heal and science will pull us through energy situation--Muslims and ignorance, those are worth worrying about.

[pmarie2003]

My house (in Texas) is taking on the appearance of a bunker. I have stored food, live chickens, ammo, weapons, gold, silver, big dogs, a garden, fire wood, and tools. I have horses that can work in harness or be ridden. People think I'm nuts, so I just keep my mouth shut now. I hope I DON'T need this stuff, but what if it does get bad?

There are so many people here who don't know how to do ONE thing to help themselves such as garden, repair things, work with tools, etc.. Scary.

[kurtilein3]

pmarie:

cooperation will be very important, you wont make it on your own, no matter how well-prepared you are. but you really do seem well-prepared.

lend out some of your tools to other people, to put them to more use than they would be if only one person benefits from them. get ready to help other people, in order to receive help when you need it, and you will. maybe replace the ammo and guns with people: invite people that you trust to live with you in your home, it makes everyone safer.

[pmarie2003]

>invite people that you trust to live with you in your home,...

Haha! This is the U.S.! I There are maybe 2 people I trust enough to let in my house. I can't even IMAGINE letting someone live with me while I leave and go to work. They would have all day to get my account info., find my money, sell everything that wasn't tied down.... By the time I figured out they weren't honest, it would be too late.

[kurtilein3]

pmarie2003:

"There are maybe 2 people I trust enough to let in my house." i really dont want to offend you... but this doesnt seem to be even close to being enough. i know maybe about 300 people by name, and i think there are about 40-50 people that i would trust enough to let them enter my home in my absence. not including family/relatives. maybe even more if i think more about it. i think you need to get to know more people. (second comment needed)

[kurtilein3]

second comment to pmarie2003:

get to know people, the right people. join amnesty international, the local group in your area. if you are playing chess, join a chess club. if you are playing table tennis, join a table tennis club. if there is a local anonymous group that is still protesting the church of scientology each month, join them. get in touch with local organized humanists / freethinkers. you do need more connections, people with the right ethics and worldview.

[kurtilein3]

... third comment

i didnt consider that maybe you are living in a small village, where people have small village attitudes and small village beliefs. or maybe you are living in a very remote area. im so used to living in a huge city that its difficult for me to consider anything else, if you are living in the countryside then maybe access to some farmland is more important than social connections, especially if the people around are not that trustworthy. but 2 still doesnt seem enough.

[pmarie2003]

Sorry, my reply was supposed to go under your reply, but it's 1a.m. here and I am sleeeppy!

[kurtilein3]

no problem, its my vid so i get the same notification email no matter where you post on this board ;)

[quelist]

The United States economy is not going to collapse because the foundation is too stable. All American industry is built on top of two ingredients - wheat and Iron. The United Stated has thousand of miles of farms and hundreds of miles of Iron mines. The stock market and the auto industry are only the tip of the mountain. The top can fall off but the foundation will always be there.

[kurtilein3]

wheat and iron... depends on oil and coal.

thousands of miles of farmland on which nothing will grow unless you use the fertilizers and pesticides that have been used for decades there, huge areas designed for big machines. fertilizers and pesticides are made from fossil fuels.

but the main problem will be transportation. this is where decreased oil imports will hit hard.

[DeistPaladin]

If the US does collapse, what do you think that will mean for the rest of the world? Will the rest of the world be concerned about "loose American nukes" the same way we are about the Russian's? What power will fill the vacuum, if any? And what will that mean for other parts of the world?

[kurtilein3]

i think it will depend on how long it will take until society regains some structure and stability again, and how much goes wrong in the time in between. apparently transitions like this can take place with or without ethnic cleansing and genocide, and with or without people starving, and with or without the electricity infrastructure failing. there are so many variants to this.

actually the russian nuke problem was resolved completely and satisfactory within just a few months.

[DeistPaladin]

Again, I was asking not about what will happen to us but what will happen to the rest of the world?  I'm interested in an outside perspective on this. Will it be a good, bad or just chaotic for those outside the US?

If it does happen, my biggest regret is we went out on the note created by Bush. The US could have been remembered as the power that helped create the UN and international law. Bush did so much to destroy that. Then again, Bush will have done so much to bring on the collapse.

[bjarczyk]

I'm trying to move out of the US in two years to Sweden. I want to get out now while I still can, unless there is a really legitimate resistance movement, which I doubt because it will probably be dominated by racist and capitalist teabaggers.

[xy11xy]

I'll try to get my head around that...right after I finish laughing my ass off.

[kurtilein3]

xy11xy:

did you watch the talk im linking to in the description box?

and can you name one empire in the history of our species (except the US) that has not collapsed?

how do you think this economic crisis will be resolved? i only see two options: the government defaults on foreign debt, or prints its way out of it. right now, they are printing. default or inflation. both would weaken the dollar and partially disrupt the imports the US relies on.

[xy11xy]

Kurt

No, I did not watch the talk you're linking to, not yet.

No, I cannot name one empire that hasn't collapsed. Though, "empire" is a relative designation.

Are you trying to assault me with your intelligence? The implication being that I am relatively "weaker" in that arena?

I don't care much about the economic crisis...

Whichever resolution it is...the earth will continue to orbit the sun, and the dog will need to be fed, and soup will still be yummy...

And if it's not, who cares?

[kurtilein3]

actually i care, because the outcome can be greatly influenced by what you do before it happens. i like your optimism, and i think you should keep it. its just that there are ways to prepare for this. when something weird happens to the US dollar and grocery stores are empty 1 week later and prices at mcdonalds are unaffordable 2 weeks later, how long will it be until you have a cooperative with some of your neighbors and relatives going to grow food by taking over an unused parking lot?

[xy11xy]

Sigh...

yes, yes. I don't eat McDonald's ....

Right now, I already have adapted to the increase in food prices...

It's not that I don't see your point..

It's just that I wanna laugh at the US collapsing FIRST...then I'll care...AFTER.

[kurtilein3]

... seond comment

the problem is that many people mentally dont manage to do the transition. thats why i try to talk about it on my channel. many turn to alcohol, others to crime, a few even commit suicide... and some just lower their expectations, build communities, focus on getting what they really need to live a life in dignity, get working and get over it.

and now watch the talk im linking to, i think you will like it, and if not then tell me why not and we can have a discussion :)

[metalplace567]

Sorry it say but I think we desvere it..

just hope when it does, America can return to that country that everyone liked.

[tattooskin72]

The US isn't really an Empire in the traditional sense. While we do have military bases all over, which I wish we'd just shut down, we don't have a political arm in any of these countries. It's not like the Roman, Spanish, British, Dutch, Italian, Portuguese, etc Empires of the past. We do have "protectorates"... I guess is what you'd call them.

Anyway, listening to him. I see where he is going, but it's a lot of assumption. I don't really consider the US to be a super power anyway :)

[kurtilein3]

tatooskin72:

just look at the iraq war. clearly the US does have the power of an empire, and uses it this way, to serve its own interests (not the interests of the US population).

you do have an political arm in many many countries, and you use it to enforce economic policies. if this doesnt work, the US often invades the country or uses other ways to punish those that defy US foreign policy. watch noam chomskys documentary "manufacturing consent", i think its on google video.

[KladionicaCity]

You can already convert your car to run on hydrogen or on rechargeable batteries and there already hydrogen pumps.Unfortunately it's still unpopular and it's mostly available only in major cities,but it is growing.

That's because no major player have started to invest in it other then Toyota.

As we run out of oil ,will are transiting more and more to those type of vehicles until we'll be finally independent of oil.

No WW3 is needed here like you are making it appear to be

[kurtilein3]

and where is the energy supposed to come from?

electricity and rechargeable batteries have one thing in common: they are both not sources of energy, because they both dont exist in nature in any useable way. but, even with all the new technology, and some of it might actually work once we get nuclear fusion running in ~30-50 years, consider the following: what will happen to your infrastructure when oil supply tanks within the next 5 years? will the electric car save you?

[KladionicaCity]

electricity can come from solar panels or fuel cells can extract energy from hydrogen,which is a renewable source.+ New methods are being discovered every year.There are electric and hydrogen vehicles that can almost match with conventional vehicles in speed,drag and carrying weight.Not mentioning ethanol which there are already production plants.Of course you and most people have still the same picture in your head of an small electric car going 20mph being driven by a dwarf as it was 20yrs ago

[kurtilein3]

thats not the problem.

the electric cars you are talking about are still terribly inefficient. a person goes from one place to another, transporting a ton of metal with him/her. there will not be enough solar panels and ethanol for such nonsense.

ethanol is basically just turning food into fuel. your agriculture turns fuel into food. hydrogen vehicles will not match a donkey if the grid goes down. much of this is about timing, you are basing your hope on solutions that are too small & slow.

[KladionicaCity]

Like i said.Your knowledge of alternative technologies is outdated.

Ethanol can be produced through enzymatic hydrolysis now,which uses any non-food cellulose-containing organic waste.This biomass can include woodchips,dead grass,husk etc.There are already operational plants that can produce 3.17 million gal per year +26 plants under construction.Canada,Germany, Spain, and Sweden also have joined.

There are series Home Energy Station projects underway

p1...

[KladionicaCity]

...Honda and Toyota's HMS can supply a sufficient amount of hydrogen to power a fuel cell vehicle while providing electricity for an average-sized household.Toyota's HEMS trial commercial release by 2011.

˝still terribly inefficient...will not match a donkey if the grid goes down˝

The BMW hydrogen 7 can accelerate from 0-60mph in 9sec.Honda 2009 GX on natural gas can make over 200 miles when full tanked.These are a handful of those available now.

....

[KladionicaCity]

....

Much more efficient and fast are being produced by several auto-makers.

These are just a few of the innovation that were made just in the latests years.Give it a decade and we'll have vehicles that outmatches in performance petrol-fueled powered cars.

So No.We won't ˝run out of cars,as we run out of oil˝like that senile russian guy said.Just like we went from Technology evolves along with society.

[KladionicaCity]

˝when oil supply tanks within the next 5 years˝

I don't know were you got that data from,because some estimates we will run out of oil in 50 yrs,some even 100 yrs.

However,"running out of oil" is misunderstanding the significance of a petroleum industry measure called the Reserves/Production ratio (R/P) ,which is based on the concept of "proved" reserves of fossil fuels.

[kurtilein3]

kladoniacity:

there are predictions that oil will NEVER run out, because the world is less than 10000 years old which means that those oil reserves must replenish rapidly otherwise it wouldnt be there. thats about as unrealistic as your 50-100 year projections are. you need to base it on science, you need to take in account our past consumption patterns and the fact that oil is a finite resource, and look at the data.

watch my video about peak oil.

[kurtilein3]

"No WW3 is needed here like you are making it appear to be "

i never implied that there would be any wars originating from US soil once this goes down. when it comes to the US military, one of two things will happen: either the government will be unable to continue paying for the soldiers, or it will be unable to pay with anything that still has value. so they will come home to where their friends and family are, and probarbly bring some of the weapons and equipment with them.

[gotilk]

Thanks for the link, fascinating talk. Possibly quite helpful.

[CrimsonEdge38]

This started with Bush. It could have easily have been averted very easily by simply letting it go away. Instead, we dumped tons of money in to a problem that can not be solved by money, compounding the problem.

By we, I mean both Republicans and Democrats. The problem has been further exasperated by the Obama lead Democratic party and their insistence to put money in to problems that can not be solved by money and attempting to force more government control on industries that make money. Lame.

[kurtilein3]

the problem is in fact much older, it started when the US dollar turned into a bona fide currency, when they disconnected it from the gold reserves. then it really turned into a huge, incredibly difficult to solve problem when all the glass-steagall regulation got demolished. all in all i think clinton got the ball rolling, and bush repeatedly kicked it down the road with quite a lot of force and gave it quite a lot of momentum.

[GMLSX]

What the Heck? Did Craig Venter give up on his "Custom-Made, Oil-Pooping Bacteria"?

[dresteban]

Far too many vague "this will happen" statements. The position of the US may well change from a position of complete dominance to just being an important player but I feel confident saying that there will not be a soviet style collapse of the USA in the foreseeable future. You have not offered any proof.

[kurtilein3]

you are printing too much money, it cannt go on for much longer.

the united states is not exporting that much, but it seems to be addicted to the imports that are flowing in, especially crude oil. once it becomes apparent that the massive and ever-growing pile of debt will not be paid back, those goods will stop flowing.

where exactly do you disagree? and then just look at the infrastructure and think about what happens when oil supply drops by lets say 50%.

[dresteban]

1st off I'm not american

Oil will drop but it won't be a 50% rapid drop more like a slow taper

Rising oil prices will make other energies more attractive and they will fill the gap. As for the debt if the US defaults it screws the entire system it is in no-ones interest for this to happen therefore is just won't happen.

[DerCrossi]

I agree with you, that this will happen. I don't agree with when it will happen. You say 5 years give or take a few. I'm guessing it will happen during the next 50 years.

[kurtilein3]

you need to consider those piles of debt, trillions.

then you need to consider the percentage of annual growth inherent in this debt. and look at california, and the tent cities that have formed in response to the housing market crash. given all the facts im convinced that it will be this crisis that will disrupt this fragile system.

if the dollar as a currency weakens, imports will drop, and what will a drop in oil imports do to US infrastructure?

[mconn2112]

This is something that many of us know but too many people are in denial. The fall of Rome my friend.

[AbdultheImpailler]

interesting opinion Kurt, thanks for your thoughts