@lowellkylewilliamson To be fair, to be a freethinker does NOT imply taking all things anyone claims into ones brain and squeeze them in. It means "[the] philosophical viewpoint that holds opinions should be formed on the basis of science, logic, and reason, and should not be influenced by authority, tradition, or other dogmas."
Afraid belief-based arguments are automatically out with freethinking, in fact. So "freethinking believer" is indeed an oxymoron.
@lowellkylewilliamson You don't limit yourself from beleiving in him, you're open to every option and because of that you weigh up the evidence and logic and realise its not true
Belief based claims and arguments are, examined, questioned and analysed they may be based in some historical event or story.
However pure faith based arguments lack any evidence, thoes that make huge claims to explain everything but explain nothing are little more than insane rants, it takes little examination to find them lacking in any value or based on anything other than imagination. Remember God belief is the handicap.
The Atheist Experience claims a Muslim or a person of another faith has not seen Jesus when they Died and thats INCORRECT in fact look up all the near death experience on youtube and google NOT ONCE has no one seen any other god but JESUS when they died. I have researched this. /watch?v=1FvwXhDgDBc Just because we cant see that protons and neutrons are held together by invisible force. They still are. And we cant see things beyond this world. But there there.
I love when religious people like yourself say well the universe couldn't create itself. I say then If the universe can't create itself then how come god can? The response is he is "supernatural" well if god is supernatural why cant the universe be? Answer my question with proof!
summersunshine seems to be a professional troll. Top rated comments are adressing SS-88 and were posted a month ago. The last responses from SS88 are just 20minutes ago....
seriously, you guys feed a troll for more than a month?
DieudonneSeal ..to see the most famous and oft cited of these so-called christian OT prophecy's entirely dismantled ,see the various YT clips by profMTH exposing their often blatant dishonesty and intentional misapplication or mistranslation .
@krissmith1986 Logic is the thinking process of the brain for it to solve simple/complex problems, the brain controls the nervous system, however logic has nothing to do with nervous system, ya know... The nervous system is a SYSTEM of NERVES... From your motor skills to your reflexes to the veins and arteries in your body... Nothing to do with the brain or "logic"
OK! let me explain to you a little. you talk about a "GOD" and you refer with this word to the Creator the one and only. Since the issue you are trying to discuss is th existence of the Creator, if you are referring to a dalse concept with a false word, you are invariably will fail to make a point since a man made word that refers to a man made concept will be false defacto. Instead, since Creator should be a conscious being you should define Him the way He defines Himself. (cntd)
I have a question for Christians. Did God impregnate Mary with some sort of divine sperm via a midnight rendevous, or did the egg develop without first being fertilized?
@SummerSunshine1988 I dont need to disprove him anymore than i need to disprove unicorns. The burden of proof lies on the person making the positive claim. For example, if i say that i can fly, it is not up to you to prove i cant, it is up to me to prove that i can.
@itchygonads : According to Romans 1, you have all the proof you need right in front of your face. It's up to you to decide if you are going to accept the proof that God has given to you.
@SummerSunshine1988 I am sorry, not only is quoting from the bible to prove the bible circular logic, your bible is also wrong. Roman 1 is a piece of shit, and it is completely wrong. There is NO evidence at all. Okay, let me use your logic.
I have a bit of paper beside me, saying there is no god...Therefore there is no god.
@itchygonads : I'm not quoting the Bible to prove the Bible. You're right, that would be circular logic. I am quoting the Bible as the word of God. God isn't a book. God is the only One who can prove Himself to you.
@itchygonads : That's the point. If we're all dead, there is no afterlife and there is no God. If, however, when we die our spirit is still alive, there is an afterlife and there is a God.
@SummerSunshine1988 Because there is not one shred of evidence that ANY of the bible is true, and there are mounds of evidence against it. Why would something as ridiculous as that be true? Think about how stupid that claim is. It is ridiculous, why would you have any reason to believe there is anything after you die? Truth is you dont, you just believe it because you feel better.
@SummerSunshine1988 You honestly think that is a justifiable reason for you to believe such nonsense? We knew we had the potential too, and science showed that we did. However there is NO potential for heaven, as it isn't real. What a ridiculous comparison.
@SummerSunshine1988 No, it is nonsense to anyone who isnt a brainwashed fool. A magic man in the sky created everything, just to worship him, he created mankind with faults then punishes them forever, he sent his son (yet also himself) down to earth, to sacrafice himself to himself, which somehow saved everyone? Yet we are still sinners. Also he failed so badly at convincing everyone he is even real. It is ALL rubbish. The book talks of 7 headed lizards LOL utter rubbish.
@itchygonads : Ah. Now I'm caught up. I see what's going on. Okay, first of all, God did not create us with faults. We gain those faults on our own by disobeying God. Second, God did not "sacrifice Himself to Himself". Jesus Christ sacrificed Himself for our sins. God and Jesus are two separate beings, united by one purpose. And actually, He did a great job convincing people. The Bible is very clear that few will enter the gate of Heaven.
@SummerSunshine1988 Yes he did, god created EVERYTHING, apparently, thus he created evil, suffering and all faults, to claim anything else just makes you a liar. And no, god knows all that has or will be, therefore he would KNOW that we would do that, yet he created us anyway...so yeah, he created our faults. He made us that way.
And jesus is god, yet at the same time is his son, so no he did sacrafice himself to himself, lol i know more than you about the bible! all utter fantasy. like batman.
@itchygonads : The word "God" is an umbrella term that encompasses the Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit. There is only one God, manifested in three ways.
You are right, God is all-knowing. However, that's not the point. The point is us. This life is not for God's benefit, it's for ours. So that we can learn and hopefully become more like God and gain His qualities.
@SummerSunshine1988 Exactly, so if he is manifested. that still means he sacraficed himself to himself.
No, there is no such thing as god, and probably not jesus, and if there was then he did not perform a single miracle. Stop preaching, sigh, its so tiresome trying to debate braindead, brainwashed, gullible sheep like you. When presented with facts you shrug them off, and then you jsut makes stupid random asserstions without facts and claim them true. I pity you sir, open your eyes. its a lie.
@SummerSunshine1988 "I am not ashamed to be a Christian." Do you support and defend that your "good" god killed millions of men, women, children, puppies, kittens, pandas, etc. with a global flood, murdered hundreds of Egyptian children to punish one stubborn person for ethnocentric reasons, and masterminded the brutal torture and death of his "only" child? If so, have you asked yourself why you're not ashamed to defend genocide, infanticide, racism, and filicide?
@SummerSunshine1988 But you just said that there is only one God, manifested in 3 ways. By saying Jesus is a manifest of God, you cannot say Jesus is not God. He is God in another form. A baby is not their parent in another form; it is a new being born from another. However, you do not believe that Jesus is a separate being born from God but that he is God. Who, may I add, orchestrated his own conception, in what appears to be as a very strange sexual fetish.
@SummerSunshine1988 Tinity is illogical. If you can't communicate what it is by claiming that others don't understand it, then you don't understand it as well.
@SummerSunshine1988 I don't think you got me, Trinity is illogical, even for you. So, you are no more understanding what trinity is than someone else. Think about it really hard. When you talk about trinity you talk about either three equal gods that exist in unisom act likewsie, or you are talking about three 1/3 gods that add up to one god. Otherwise, Jesus should be one and the same with the Father etc. which is denied by Christian theologists from the beginning,
@SummerSunshine1988 That's fine ... then you should be open minded to those who have or claim to have special understanding of "God." Did you know that the word God, for example, is a man made word that no original religious text mentions and it could well be a different deity than Theos of the NT or ELOHIM of OT or Allah of the Quran?
@SummerSunshine1988 I am not talking about that ... I am talking about the word GOD. You know words represent concepts. The NT talks about "THEOS" or "KURIOS" the OT talks GOD is a made up word to refer to these deities. The issue is how much human element is involved in making up this word and realting this word with those other concepts from the Bible? Can you understand what I'm saying?
@SummerSunshine1988 2-) However for that you should really know where and how the Creator defined Himself. If you try to defend the Creator by the words of others then the only thing you are defending will be the perceptions of those poeple about a creator i.e. a man made creator.
I hope I was able to make things clearer for you.about what I am trying to communicate.
@SummerSunshine1988 Actually, I apologize too for the poor language, I am doing something else here in the mean time and I posted those without reading them and I realised that my sentences are possibly not understandble at least easily for those who are not already aware of what i am trying to say. So, sorry for that.
@SummerSunshine1988 LOL! No not really, I like sleeping after staying awake prolonged times. For me it is like eating a delicious meal after staying hungry for some time. I eat one meal day too :)
@Fussinated OK I am reading your answer to referendwym, I have to warn you again, you say that "even children are not innocent in the eyes of God." How do you conclude that? Muslims for examples believe that humans are innocent until they reach adulthood and even the adults are forgiven by Allah continuously. So, a "GOD" who punishes the whole humanity due to one man's sin sound just to you while there are other teachings portray a Creator doesn't teach life on earth due to sinfulness.
@SummerSunshine1988 The question is does the Creator support the Bible? Or, the Creator that is taught in the Bible is the one and only true Creator? How do you decide about this?
@SummerSunshine1988 Well, you didnt answer my question. He created you too. So how do you decide that you chose the right creator. you mentioned your experiences for example. If your experiences would have been different would you make your choice the same way? What is wrong, then, if someone choose different than yourself due to his experiences being different than yours? What makes your experiences so worthy that you make a universal choice with them? What is wrong with other's experiences?
@SummerSunshine1988 He proved himself to you how? While believing in him is your responsibility howcome it became an issue of him proving himself to you? If you already knew to whom you should give a chance, then what is the point to expect a proof, you merely prove that your decision is preconditioned?
So, instead of uttering words without saying anything, how about starting to give straight answers?
@Fussinated : I'm trying to give straight answers. It would be easier to do if you would give straight questions. I am not sure exactly what you are asking me.
@SummerSunshine1988 My questions are straight. However, I told you that I let the Creator to chose me, you gave a DUH! answer and yet you said a similar thing by giving him chance to prove himself. This sounds like you are a little confused.
I will rephrase the essential question, how do you know that you are giving a chance to to god to prove himself but but not the satan?
The basic answer has two parts to it. The first is that Satan cannot remain where God is, so calling upon the name of Jesus automatically sends Satan away.
The second part of that is that Satan does not have my well-being at heart. God does, and this is shown through God's own words.
@SummerSunshine1988 "The basic answer has two parts to it. The first is that Satan cannot remain where God is, so calling upon the name of Jesus automatically sends Satan away."
For this you should already know the difference between satan and Jesus(?)
OK for the second part, what is for your well being? in case of gangrene to save life you cut off the organ. which is well being then getting gangrene or cutting off the organ?
@Fussinated : The Bible says that God uses everything to work together for our good. I trust that, and, looking back on the past twenty three years, I would concur.
Jesus is my Savior. He died to save me. Satan is God's enemy, therefore making him my own enemy. He did not die to save me.
@SummerSunshine1988 "Jesus is my Savior. He died to save me. Satan is God's enemy, therefore making him my own enemy. He did not die to save me."
What makes you think that you needed to be saved in the first place?
Also, you are aware that you can;t love your god unconditionally do you? Because, he saved you once and your love will always be a subject to the question of what if he wouldn't have saved you. would you love him anyway?
@Fussinated : I am a sinner. All sinners fall short of God's expectations. That's how I know I needed to be saved.
I can't really honestly answer that question, because I don't know how I would react if He did not save me. You are probably right that I probably would not love Him, or at least not to the degree that I do now.
The degree now is conditional for you. However those who loved god priior to Jesus loved god unconditionally yet they are not saved but you are. This sounds like a contradiction.
@SummerSunshine1988 Incredible! We actually agree on something. Since there are no gods, it doesn't matter what I would expect of them - there is nothing that could fulfill my expectations.
@SummerSunshine1988 "Mostly." LOL. It's either the truth or it's not. You don't get to pick and choose.
Anyway, "Adrammelech and Anammelech, the gods of Sepharvaim" are named in the bible. There are more. I don't care to research the rest.
I assume you do not believe in these other gods, which just goes to show we are closer than you think. I don't believe in them either. And I don't believe in Yahweh, because he is made up, just like the rest of them. (Cont)
@SummerSunshine1988 If you are not a religious scholar, which your lack of knowledge would indicate, then you are in no position to give a "definitive" answer. You can ONLY give your interpretation. Feel free to look up the rest - they are not hard to find. Again, you are welcome to interpret their existance as you see fit - we already know where that will lead.
So, again, we are very close. You already think they are all made up. Me too. So is Yahweh.
@SummerSunshine1988 Have fun: Adramelech Amm Amun Anamelech Anat Ancient of Days Asherah pole Ashima Astarte Baal Peor Baal-berith Baal-hamon Baal-zephon Baali Baʿal Bel Belial Berith Bethel Chemosh Dagon Destiny El El Roi El Shaddai Elyon Gad Heresy of Peor Jah God of the Moon Marduk Melqart Moloch Mot Nabu Nehushtan Nergal Nisroch Queen of heaven Rahab Remphan Resheph Rimmon Ruah Shaddai Shahar Shapash Succoth-benoth Sydyk Tammuz Tartak Teraphim Yahweh Yam
@SummerSunshine1988 That is an invalid argument. The original sources do not capitalize any names, or the word "god". The decision to capitalize or not capitalize is a question of interpretation or translation.
@tjhombs : Well, it's pretty commonly accepted that a "god" refers to a false idol, as opposed to God, the Creator and Savior. You obviously don't accept this definition, which is fine.
@SummerSunshine1988 No it's not. "a god" refers to any supernatural "creator of the universe." God is "a god," just like Zeus, and Odin, and so on. You are trying to pretend that your god has a special status among god concepts, and it doesn't.
@BigD71889 I do i have a personal experience where Zeus and his BFF Odin reveled me that they made the universe. and if u dont belive in the word of our creator u gonna be tortured forver on the underwolrd where hades is goin to rip off your skin forever. til the titan cronus bend the times and do it again. if i were you i wouldnt risk. u better belive like me! or ELSE!
@TheIncognitusMe WRONG theres 1 GOD and if there was 1 GOD that means the others that claimed to be THAT GOD were made up. SO your arguement falls to shravels you fuckin fucktard.
@Bjoernzor The Atheist Experience claims a Muslim or a person of another faith has not seen Jesus when they Died and thats INCORRECT in fact look up all the near death experience on youtube and google NOT ONCE has no one seen any other god but JESUS when they died. I have researched this. /watch?v=1FvwXhDgDBc Just because we cant see that protons and neutrons are held together by invisible force. They still are. And we cant see things beyond this world. But there there.
@1xThreeDaysGrace1x Incorrect! :3 Studies made in labs showed that when we have "near death experiences" (or any"out of body" situation) which can be recreated in labs, religious people saw whatever god or spirit they worship. Non religious people would just hear voices or such. The difference between that and the force that hold protons and neutrons together is that it can be measured and proved.
@Bjoernzor Incorrect.. Do the research bro. And if the non religious hear voices after death thats a clear indication that there is life after death... See but my believe is GOD is Consiousness. That would explain how hes everywhere at once and in all things and made all things. and doesnt have to be created.
@1xThreeDaysGrace1x I heard from a friend that had a near death experience that a purple teddybear spoke to her and told her the secret of life could only be found when she would pray to the teddybear every sunday. Don't you believe me? Well disprove it! ;/ Ok now being serious, it has been proven that when someone is about to die the brain releases a chemical that causes hallucinations like tunnelvision/figures/colours/voices, afterlife is yet to be proven.. just like god.
@1xThreeDaysGrace1x I heard from a friend that had a near death experience that a purple teddybear spoke to her and told her the secret of life could only be found when she would pray to the teddybear every sunday. Don't you believe me? Well disprove it! ;/ Ok now being serious, it has been proven that when someone is about to die the brain releases a chemical that causes hallucinations like tunnelvision, figures,colours, voices, afterlife is yet to be proven.. just like god.
You can look up as many videos as you want, but you will never PROVE those people ACTUALLY saw THE Jesus described in the Bible assuming he even exists. That's like saying someone saw Ronald Reagan vs seeing King Arthur. We know with tangilbe proof that Reagan existed, and Arthur has some literary relavance, but no tangible proof that he existed. I agree, there are still things we don't know about the universe, but it was explained 2000+ years ago? No.
I would love to know if a child is brought up on a desert island and never introduced to any religion whatsover and still had a near death experience... would they still see Jesus? ...or the image that has been ingraned in their head since youth by parents, friends, media, etc.
So you believe in Allah? Afterall it's the Araibic word for God and is capitalised therefore he must be the 'true' god. Right? What about the gods of the Hindu pantheon? They're all capitalised, are they 'true' gods? In English, to this day, we still capitalise the names of the Roman and Greek gods, they must be true aswell! I forgot the Norse and Eyption pantheons! They're all capitalised aswell!
Looks like there is no one true god, but loads of them!
So do I, in so far as I've not done the nessecary research into his historicity and so assume that a man called Jesus did once exist. Does that mean he's a god? Of course not.
Back to the actual topic. Why do you believe in Yahweh and not any of the other 'capitalised' gods - as if the capitalisation matters.
You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose freewill
godbluffvdgg 1 week ago
Nice! Rush on the bumper music... Oh, and god is dog spelled backwards...Just sayin.
godbluffvdgg 1 week ago
5:05 Before the actual discussion starts in case you're wondering...
jjaus 1 week ago
How can you be a "freethinker" and want to limit yourself from believing in God?
lowellkylewilliamson 1 week ago
@lowellkylewilliamson It's an oxymoron. Freethinking believer
HellomynameisN 1 week ago
@lowellkylewilliamson To be fair, to be a freethinker does NOT imply taking all things anyone claims into ones brain and squeeze them in. It means "[the] philosophical viewpoint that holds opinions should be formed on the basis of science, logic, and reason, and should not be influenced by authority, tradition, or other dogmas."
Afraid belief-based arguments are automatically out with freethinking, in fact. So "freethinking believer" is indeed an oxymoron.
Truthiness231 4 days ago
@lowellkylewilliamson You don't limit yourself from beleiving in him, you're open to every option and because of that you weigh up the evidence and logic and realise its not true
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@lowellkylewilliamson
Belief based claims and arguments are, examined, questioned and analysed they may be based in some historical event or story.
However pure faith based arguments lack any evidence, thoes that make huge claims to explain everything but explain nothing are little more than insane rants, it takes little examination to find them lacking in any value or based on anything other than imagination. Remember God belief is the handicap.
VideoAudioDisco09 1 day ago
Matt enjoys rock...and he pretends to be a drummer. True dat!
TheBrunozxc 1 week ago
If an atheist show is going to start an episode with Rush, it should be "Freewill." Duh!
purv989 2 weeks ago
seems to me like he doesnt want to give the believer a chance to speak for more than 10 seconds
WindischMan 2 weeks ago
Rush!
ChainsawVsGod 2 weeks ago 7
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The Atheist Experience claims a Muslim or a person of another faith has not seen Jesus when they Died and thats INCORRECT in fact look up all the near death experience on youtube and google NOT ONCE has no one seen any other god but JESUS when they died. I have researched this. /watch?v=1FvwXhDgDBc Just because we cant see that protons and neutrons are held together by invisible force. They still are. And we cant see things beyond this world. But there there.
1xThreeDaysGrace1x 2 weeks ago
this is boring. This guy is too smart and sane.
madmiguelh2o 2 weeks ago
RUSH
beamith 3 weeks ago
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I love when religious people like yourself say well the universe couldn't create itself. I say then If the universe can't create itself then how come god can? The response is he is "supernatural" well if god is supernatural why cant the universe be? Answer my question with proof!
FuckReligionItSucks 3 weeks ago
Matt Slick killed my father.
yislamislame 3 weeks ago
I had a dream Matt was my hairdresser last night. Hmmm...
ProtestantsRUs 4 weeks ago
@ProtestantsRUs you know what that means right? your hair is satan.
dopeasfuckk 4 weeks ago
@ProtestantsRUs Must have been a nightmare....
Tooopper 4 weeks ago
@ProtestantsRUs Matt slick or Dillahunty?
yislamislame 3 weeks ago
summersunshine seems to be a professional troll. Top rated comments are adressing SS-88 and were posted a month ago. The last responses from SS88 are just 20minutes ago....
seriously, you guys feed a troll for more than a month?
skaribou 1 month ago 14
@skaribou I'm pretty sure summersunshine is some kind of tape recorder. Or a Christian. Same diff.
Snakepliskinist 1 month ago
@Snakepliskinist yeah, its obvious... so why do they even bother to answer?
.. well thats youtube, do not take it seriously ;)
skaribou 1 month ago
@skaribou soon to be two months, haha
olwerXL 2 weeks ago
@olwerXL omg, its still on xD
thx for letting me know
skaribou 2 weeks ago
I was hoping this would be shockofgod calling :(
TheCanadianArchetype 1 month ago
DieudonneSeal ..to see the most famous and oft cited of these so-called christian OT prophecy's entirely dismantled ,see the various YT clips by profMTH exposing their often blatant dishonesty and intentional misapplication or mistranslation .
woodenmajor 1 month ago in playlist Matt Dillahunty Vs. Matt Slick: TAG debate
@krissmith1986 Logic is the thinking process of the brain for it to solve simple/complex problems, the brain controls the nervous system, however logic has nothing to do with nervous system, ya know... The nervous system is a SYSTEM of NERVES... From your motor skills to your reflexes to the veins and arteries in your body... Nothing to do with the brain or "logic"
TheFlames376 2 months ago
Logic is a process of the nervous system. Your nervous system controls your decision making, sort of like how big corporations run the government.
krissmith1986 2 months ago
@krissmith1986 Um.....no
InteGrayting2 2 months ago
OK! let me explain to you a little. you talk about a "GOD" and you refer with this word to the Creator the one and only. Since the issue you are trying to discuss is th existence of the Creator, if you are referring to a dalse concept with a false word, you are invariably will fail to make a point since a man made word that refers to a man made concept will be false defacto. Instead, since Creator should be a conscious being you should define Him the way He defines Himself. (cntd)
Fussinated 2 months ago
I have a question for Christians. Did God impregnate Mary with some sort of divine sperm via a midnight rendevous, or did the egg develop without first being fertilized?
seaturtlesnsharks 2 months ago
God shows himself to me, but only when i mix wine, beer, vodka, pot, cocaine and cat nip in a magical glass vase and inhale the smoke of visions.
chuckn0rris100 2 months ago
haha, nice use of rush! Canada wins again. shitty audio on this vid tho
BadGroundBand 2 months ago
God is real, and He loves you.
SummerSunshine1988 3 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 I love Satan more.
vegasnegas111 3 months ago
@vegasnegas111 : Good luck with that. Read Revelations. Satan is no match for God.
SummerSunshine1988 3 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Thanks but I'm not into fairy tales anymore.
vegasnegas111 3 months ago
@vegasnegas111 : Ah. You were being sarcastic. Well, that's your choice.
SummerSunshine1988 3 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 I guess your God failed in that department.
vegasnegas111 3 months ago
@vegasnegas111 : God doesn't fail at anything He sets out to do.
SummerSunshine1988 3 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Maybe it's all in your head.
vegasnegas111 3 months ago
@vegasnegas111 : Nope.
SummerSunshine1988 3 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 God isnt real.
itchygonads 2 months ago
@itchygonads : If that's what you believe, that's fine.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 It is not a belief. It is as factual as saying unicorns dont exist.
itchygonads 2 months ago
@itchygonads : Obviously I disagree with you. But that's okay too.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Yes it is okay, not justifiable in the least however.
itchygonads 2 months ago
@itchygonads : Well, you can't really disprove God. Granted, I can't really prove Him to you either.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 I dont need to disprove him anymore than i need to disprove unicorns. The burden of proof lies on the person making the positive claim. For example, if i say that i can fly, it is not up to you to prove i cant, it is up to me to prove that i can.
itchygonads 2 months ago
@itchygonads : According to Romans 1, you have all the proof you need right in front of your face. It's up to you to decide if you are going to accept the proof that God has given to you.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 I am sorry, not only is quoting from the bible to prove the bible circular logic, your bible is also wrong. Roman 1 is a piece of shit, and it is completely wrong. There is NO evidence at all. Okay, let me use your logic.
I have a bit of paper beside me, saying there is no god...Therefore there is no god.
itchygonads 2 months ago
@itchygonads : I'm not quoting the Bible to prove the Bible. You're right, that would be circular logic. I am quoting the Bible as the word of God. God isn't a book. God is the only One who can prove Himself to you.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 The bible is not the words of god though, it is the words of ancient bronze age savages. So your argument is invalid.
itchygonads 2 months ago
@itchygonads : I believe the Bible is the word of God. I believe that God exists, that Jesus Christ died for the sins of mankind.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Believe it all you want. It simply isn't true.
itchygonads 2 months ago
@itchygonads : We'll find out eventually.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Lol actually we wont, as we will be dead. But enjoy your fairytale.
itchygonads 2 months ago
@itchygonads : That's the point. If we're all dead, there is no afterlife and there is no God. If, however, when we die our spirit is still alive, there is an afterlife and there is a God.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 True...It wont happen of course, and it is amusing that you think it could...but okay.
itchygonads 2 months ago
@itchygonads : Why do you think it couldn't?
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Because there is not one shred of evidence that ANY of the bible is true, and there are mounds of evidence against it. Why would something as ridiculous as that be true? Think about how stupid that claim is. It is ridiculous, why would you have any reason to believe there is anything after you die? Truth is you dont, you just believe it because you feel better.
itchygonads 2 months ago
@itchygonads : To use your own words, people once thought that "something as ridiculous as" man walking on the moon couldn't happen.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 You honestly think that is a justifiable reason for you to believe such nonsense? We knew we had the potential too, and science showed that we did. However there is NO potential for heaven, as it isn't real. What a ridiculous comparison.
itchygonads 2 months ago
@itchygonads : God and the Bible are only nonsense to those who do not believe.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 No, it is nonsense to anyone who isnt a brainwashed fool. A magic man in the sky created everything, just to worship him, he created mankind with faults then punishes them forever, he sent his son (yet also himself) down to earth, to sacrafice himself to himself, which somehow saved everyone? Yet we are still sinners. Also he failed so badly at convincing everyone he is even real. It is ALL rubbish. The book talks of 7 headed lizards LOL utter rubbish.
itchygonads 2 months ago
@itchygonads : Ah. Now I'm caught up. I see what's going on. Okay, first of all, God did not create us with faults. We gain those faults on our own by disobeying God. Second, God did not "sacrifice Himself to Himself". Jesus Christ sacrificed Himself for our sins. God and Jesus are two separate beings, united by one purpose. And actually, He did a great job convincing people. The Bible is very clear that few will enter the gate of Heaven.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Yes he did, god created EVERYTHING, apparently, thus he created evil, suffering and all faults, to claim anything else just makes you a liar. And no, god knows all that has or will be, therefore he would KNOW that we would do that, yet he created us anyway...so yeah, he created our faults. He made us that way.
And jesus is god, yet at the same time is his son, so no he did sacrafice himself to himself, lol i know more than you about the bible! all utter fantasy. like batman.
itchygonads 2 months ago
@itchygonads : The word "God" is an umbrella term that encompasses the Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit. There is only one God, manifested in three ways.
You are right, God is all-knowing. However, that's not the point. The point is us. This life is not for God's benefit, it's for ours. So that we can learn and hopefully become more like God and gain His qualities.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Exactly, so if he is manifested. that still means he sacraficed himself to himself.
No, there is no such thing as god, and probably not jesus, and if there was then he did not perform a single miracle. Stop preaching, sigh, its so tiresome trying to debate braindead, brainwashed, gullible sheep like you. When presented with facts you shrug them off, and then you jsut makes stupid random asserstions without facts and claim them true. I pity you sir, open your eyes. its a lie.
itchygonads 2 months ago
@itchygonads : If I had a baby, that baby will have some of my DNA, but that doesn't make the baby me.
You haven't presented me with any facts. You have ony presented me with the statement "there is no God".
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 another embarrassing justification. You should be ashamed at how you present your religion.
itchygonads 2 months ago
@itchygonads : I am not ashamed to be a Christian.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
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@SummerSunshine1988 "I am not ashamed to be a Christian." Do you support and defend that your "good" god killed millions of men, women, children, puppies, kittens, pandas, etc. with a global flood, murdered hundreds of Egyptian children to punish one stubborn person for ethnocentric reasons, and masterminded the brutal torture and death of his "only" child? If so, have you asked yourself why you're not ashamed to defend genocide, infanticide, racism, and filicide?
ReverendWyrm 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 But you just said that there is only one God, manifested in 3 ways. By saying Jesus is a manifest of God, you cannot say Jesus is not God. He is God in another form. A baby is not their parent in another form; it is a new being born from another. However, you do not believe that Jesus is a separate being born from God but that he is God. Who, may I add, orchestrated his own conception, in what appears to be as a very strange sexual fetish.
seaturtlesnsharks 2 months ago
@seaturtlesnsharks : It's confusing, I know. I'm trying to explain it the best way I know how. Obviously I'm not doing a very good job of it.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Tinity is illogical. If you can't communicate what it is by claiming that others don't understand it, then you don't understand it as well.
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated : You're right, it's hard for even me to wrap my head around. But that's okay. Like I said, I tried to explain it as well as I know how.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 I don't think you got me, Trinity is illogical, even for you. So, you are no more understanding what trinity is than someone else. Think about it really hard. When you talk about trinity you talk about either three equal gods that exist in unisom act likewsie, or you are talking about three 1/3 gods that add up to one god. Otherwise, Jesus should be one and the same with the Father etc. which is denied by Christian theologists from the beginning,
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated : I don't claim to have any special understanding of God. I'm still on my journey in this life, along with all of the rest of you.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 That's fine ... then you should be open minded to those who have or claim to have special understanding of "God." Did you know that the word God, for example, is a man made word that no original religious text mentions and it could well be a different deity than Theos of the NT or ELOHIM of OT or Allah of the Quran?
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated : Yes, the Bible was written by man. Several of whom actually walked and talked with Jesus.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 I am not talking about that ... I am talking about the word GOD. You know words represent concepts. The NT talks about "THEOS" or "KURIOS" the OT talks GOD is a made up word to refer to these deities. The issue is how much human element is involved in making up this word and realting this word with those other concepts from the Bible? Can you understand what I'm saying?
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated : I've never heard of the words "theos" or "kurios" in the Bible, but I'll look into that.
And no, I don't understand what you're saying.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 If you are going look into it look for the original version of the NT written in Greek. or Hebrew OT.
I am glad you understand me because who wrote the Bible is a different issue than what I am trying to communicate here.
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated : I actually don't understand all of what you are telling me, but that's okay.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 2-) However for that you should really know where and how the Creator defined Himself. If you try to defend the Creator by the words of others then the only thing you are defending will be the perceptions of those poeple about a creator i.e. a man made creator.
I hope I was able to make things clearer for you.about what I am trying to communicate.
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated : Ah. Now I understand. Sorry for the confusion.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 No problem.
Fussinated 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Actually, I apologize too for the poor language, I am doing something else here in the mean time and I posted those without reading them and I realised that my sentences are possibly not understandble at least easily for those who are not already aware of what i am trying to say. So, sorry for that.
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated : That's okay. Multi-tasking is hard work! :-)
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Yes especially if you are also trying to keep focus from sleep deprivation.
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated : Ouch. Poor you.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 LOL! No not really, I like sleeping after staying awake prolonged times. For me it is like eating a delicious meal after staying hungry for some time. I eat one meal day too :)
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated : I can't even sneeze if I don't get enough sleep.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 I hear you. me as well, at for the last quarter of my awake time.
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated : Well, when you finally do go to sleep, sleep well.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
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@SummerSunshine1988 "Well, when you finally do go to sleep, sleep well."
Thanks I will try my best, You do the same regardless.
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated OK I am reading your answer to referendwym, I have to warn you again, you say that "even children are not innocent in the eyes of God." How do you conclude that? Muslims for examples believe that humans are innocent until they reach adulthood and even the adults are forgiven by Allah continuously. So, a "GOD" who punishes the whole humanity due to one man's sin sound just to you while there are other teachings portray a Creator doesn't teach life on earth due to sinfulness.
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated : Some people believe in an "age of accountability". But the Bible doesn't support such a thing.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 The question is does the Creator support the Bible? Or, the Creator that is taught in the Bible is the one and only true Creator? How do you decide about this?
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated : It's been my personal experience that God is the Creator. What you believe is your choice.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 I don't believe it is a matter of choice but matter of wisdom. I let the Creator choose me.
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated : Well, He created you, so... yeah.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Well, you didnt answer my question. He created you too. So how do you decide that you chose the right creator. you mentioned your experiences for example. If your experiences would have been different would you make your choice the same way? What is wrong, then, if someone choose different than yourself due to his experiences being different than yours? What makes your experiences so worthy that you make a universal choice with them? What is wrong with other's experiences?
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated : There is only one Creator. You know you've chosen the "right" Creator when you give Him a chance to prove Himself to you.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 He proved himself to you how? While believing in him is your responsibility howcome it became an issue of him proving himself to you? If you already knew to whom you should give a chance, then what is the point to expect a proof, you merely prove that your decision is preconditioned?
So, instead of uttering words without saying anything, how about starting to give straight answers?
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated : I'm trying to give straight answers. It would be easier to do if you would give straight questions. I am not sure exactly what you are asking me.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 My questions are straight. However, I told you that I let the Creator to chose me, you gave a DUH! answer and yet you said a similar thing by giving him chance to prove himself. This sounds like you are a little confused.
I will rephrase the essential question, how do you know that you are giving a chance to to god to prove himself but but not the satan?
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated : OH! Okay, I understand now. Sorry.
The basic answer has two parts to it. The first is that Satan cannot remain where God is, so calling upon the name of Jesus automatically sends Satan away.
The second part of that is that Satan does not have my well-being at heart. God does, and this is shown through God's own words.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 "The basic answer has two parts to it. The first is that Satan cannot remain where God is, so calling upon the name of Jesus automatically sends Satan away."
For this you should already know the difference between satan and Jesus(?)
OK for the second part, what is for your well being? in case of gangrene to save life you cut off the organ. which is well being then getting gangrene or cutting off the organ?
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated : The Bible says that God uses everything to work together for our good. I trust that, and, looking back on the past twenty three years, I would concur.
Jesus is my Savior. He died to save me. Satan is God's enemy, therefore making him my own enemy. He did not die to save me.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 "Jesus is my Savior. He died to save me. Satan is God's enemy, therefore making him my own enemy. He did not die to save me."
What makes you think that you needed to be saved in the first place?
Also, you are aware that you can;t love your god unconditionally do you? Because, he saved you once and your love will always be a subject to the question of what if he wouldn't have saved you. would you love him anyway?
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated : I am a sinner. All sinners fall short of God's expectations. That's how I know I needed to be saved.
I can't really honestly answer that question, because I don't know how I would react if He did not save me. You are probably right that I probably would not love Him, or at least not to the degree that I do now.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 "All sinners fall short of God's expectations"
How do you know this?
"at least not to the degree that I do now"
The degree now is conditional for you. However those who loved god priior to Jesus loved god unconditionally yet they are not saved but you are. This sounds like a contradiction.
Fussinated 2 months ago
@Fussinated : I know this because the Bible says so.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
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@SummerSunshine1988 "I know this because the Bible says so."
How do you know that the Bible says the truth?
Fussinated 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 All gods fall short of my expectations.
tjhombs 2 months ago
@tjhombs : Your expectations of God don't matter.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Incredible! We actually agree on something. Since there are no gods, it doesn't matter what I would expect of them - there is nothing that could fulfill my expectations.
tjhombs 2 months ago
@tjhombs : Actually, we couldn't disagree more. I believe in God, you don't.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Do you believe in any of the other gods mentioned in the bible, besides yahweh?
tjhombs 2 months ago
@tjhombs : There are no other gods mentioned. Only the Christian God.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 There are many gods named. You should read it sometime.
tjhombs 2 months ago
@tjhombs : I've read the Bible from Genesis to Revelations. Which other gods are you referring to?
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Do you take the bible literally, or is it just stories open to interpretation?
tjhombs 2 months ago
@tjhombs : Mostly literally.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 "Mostly." LOL. It's either the truth or it's not. You don't get to pick and choose.
Anyway, "Adrammelech and Anammelech, the gods of Sepharvaim" are named in the bible. There are more. I don't care to research the rest.
I assume you do not believe in these other gods, which just goes to show we are closer than you think. I don't believe in them either. And I don't believe in Yahweh, because he is made up, just like the rest of them. (Cont)
tjhombs 2 months ago
@tjhombs : I'll look up the passages that specifically mentions them, but they are likely named as false gods.
I've never claimed that Christians have never killed.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 I never said you did. I was just pointing out the hypocricy of your religion.
They are in with a passage where a few "false gods" are named. But the passage does NOT say these are false. They are stated to BE gods.
tjhombs 2 months ago
@tjhombs : If they are thrown in with a list of false gods, then they are false gods.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 There you go - interpretting again. Be careful. You might interpret the whole thing as a lie.
tjhombs 2 months ago
@tjhombs : I'm looking them up right now, and then I'll be able to give you a definite answer.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 If you are not a religious scholar, which your lack of knowledge would indicate, then you are in no position to give a "definitive" answer. You can ONLY give your interpretation. Feel free to look up the rest - they are not hard to find. Again, you are welcome to interpret their existance as you see fit - we already know where that will lead.
So, again, we are very close. You already think they are all made up. Me too. So is Yahweh.
tjhombs 2 months ago
@tjhombs : In this passage, the word "God" is written "god". This indicates a false god.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 All that indicates that it is not the Hebrew god.
tjhombs 2 months ago
tjhombs 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Is it proper to capitalize god's name in the bible, or pronouns referring to god?
tjhombs 2 months ago
@tjhombs : A "god" is a false idol. I could turn my cell phone into a "god" if I really wanted to.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 That is an invalid argument. The original sources do not capitalize any names, or the word "god". The decision to capitalize or not capitalize is a question of interpretation or translation.
support. biblegateway. com/entries/186635-why-isn-t-god-s-name-capitalized-in-some-bibles
tjhombs 2 months ago
@tjhombs : The original sources do not follow the rules of grammar we have today.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 That is true - which means any assumptions about capilatization, by definition, are wrong.
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@tjhombs : Well, it's pretty commonly accepted that a "god" refers to a false idol, as opposed to God, the Creator and Savior. You obviously don't accept this definition, which is fine.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 No it's not. "a god" refers to any supernatural "creator of the universe." God is "a god," just like Zeus, and Odin, and so on. You are trying to pretend that your god has a special status among god concepts, and it doesn't.
TheIncognitusMe 2 months ago 59
@TheIncognitusMe Do you have any verifieable claims of Zeus and Odin being creators of the universe?
BigD71889 1 month ago
@BigD71889 Well duh. Look outside, the birds and the trees. We are evidence that Zeus and Odin created the universe. I don't know what more you want.
TheIncognitusMe 1 month ago
@BigD71889 The same goes for any Abrahamic god! haha Christians don't get it, your god is just as unverifiable as Apollo and Shiva.
tacticaloperator12 1 month ago
@BigD71889 I do i have a personal experience where Zeus and his BFF Odin reveled me that they made the universe. and if u dont belive in the word of our creator u gonna be tortured forver on the underwolrd where hades is goin to rip off your skin forever. til the titan cronus bend the times and do it again. if i were you i wouldnt risk. u better belive like me! or ELSE!
6runge 1 month ago 4
@TheIncognitusMe WRONG theres 1 GOD and if there was 1 GOD that means the others that claimed to be THAT GOD were made up. SO your arguement falls to shravels you fuckin fucktard.
1xThreeDaysGrace1x 2 weeks ago
@1xThreeDaysGrace1x Your argument relies on the fact that there's only one god. Which you've failed to demonstrate. Nice effort, though.
TheIncognitusMe 2 weeks ago
@1xThreeDaysGrace1x Well what argument do you have for your god that other religions don't have for theirs?
Bjoernzor 2 weeks ago
@Bjoernzor The Atheist Experience claims a Muslim or a person of another faith has not seen Jesus when they Died and thats INCORRECT in fact look up all the near death experience on youtube and google NOT ONCE has no one seen any other god but JESUS when they died. I have researched this. /watch?v=1FvwXhDgDBc Just because we cant see that protons and neutrons are held together by invisible force. They still are. And we cant see things beyond this world. But there there.
1xThreeDaysGrace1x 2 weeks ago
@1xThreeDaysGrace1x Incorrect! :3 Studies made in labs showed that when we have "near death experiences" (or any"out of body" situation) which can be recreated in labs, religious people saw whatever god or spirit they worship. Non religious people would just hear voices or such. The difference between that and the force that hold protons and neutrons together is that it can be measured and proved.
Bjoernzor 2 weeks ago
@Bjoernzor Incorrect.. Do the research bro. And if the non religious hear voices after death thats a clear indication that there is life after death... See but my believe is GOD is Consiousness. That would explain how hes everywhere at once and in all things and made all things. and doesnt have to be created.
1xThreeDaysGrace1x 2 weeks ago
@1xThreeDaysGrace1x I said in near death situations and other out of body situations recreated in labs. Not actually after they died....lol
Bjoernzor 2 weeks ago
@1xThreeDaysGrace1x I heard from a friend that had a near death experience that a purple teddybear spoke to her and told her the secret of life could only be found when she would pray to the teddybear every sunday. Don't you believe me? Well disprove it! ;/ Ok now being serious, it has been proven that when someone is about to die the brain releases a chemical that causes hallucinations like tunnelvision/figures/colours/voices, afterlife is yet to be proven.. just like god.
Sm0k4bl3 2 weeks ago
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@1xThreeDaysGrace1x I heard from a friend that had a near death experience that a purple teddybear spoke to her and told her the secret of life could only be found when she would pray to the teddybear every sunday. Don't you believe me? Well disprove it! ;/ Ok now being serious, it has been proven that when someone is about to die the brain releases a chemical that causes hallucinations like tunnelvision, figures,colours, voices, afterlife is yet to be proven.. just like god.
Sm0k4bl3 2 weeks ago
@1xThreeDaysGrace1x
You can look up as many videos as you want, but you will never PROVE those people ACTUALLY saw THE Jesus described in the Bible assuming he even exists. That's like saying someone saw Ronald Reagan vs seeing King Arthur. We know with tangilbe proof that Reagan existed, and Arthur has some literary relavance, but no tangible proof that he existed. I agree, there are still things we don't know about the universe, but it was explained 2000+ years ago? No.
firelawn74 2 weeks ago
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I would love to know if a child is brought up on a desert island and never introduced to any religion whatsover and still had a near death experience... would they still see Jesus? ...or the image that has been ingraned in their head since youth by parents, friends, media, etc.
firelawn74 2 weeks ago
@1xThreeDaysGrace1x if there is _no_ god, then all your claims fails you fuckin fucktard.
And the complete lack of evidence for any god, indicates there being no god.
MagnusNyborg 2 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988 God by definition refers to the one and only true god, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, your creator and saviour.
Those other gods are all false and idolised manmade constructs.
MagnusNyborg 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988
So you believe in Allah? Afterall it's the Araibic word for God and is capitalised therefore he must be the 'true' god. Right? What about the gods of the Hindu pantheon? They're all capitalised, are they 'true' gods? In English, to this day, we still capitalise the names of the Roman and Greek gods, they must be true aswell! I forgot the Norse and Eyption pantheons! They're all capitalised aswell!
Looks like there is no one true god, but loads of them!
DieudonneSeal 1 month ago
@DieudonneSeal : I believe in Jesus Christ.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
So do I, in so far as I've not done the nessecary research into his historicity and so assume that a man called Jesus did once exist. Does that mean he's a god? Of course not.
Back to the actual topic. Why do you believe in Yahweh and not any of the other 'capitalised' gods - as if the capitalisation matters.
DieudonneSeal 1 month ago