hahahaha this is funny video! Did you pick up the fishing net from Victoria market? Love it! Those must be the useless duracell batteries from Coles!
These Kogan guys are funny and are cutting down costs, we relate to video like this. Ordinary people doing ordinary things unlike the big guys who think celebrity endorsement works, not in the age of Youtube, Facebook and off-shoring.
What about how to vote! What would be the best option in finding out & obtaining monkey see monkey do approach for voting Conroy out and putting proper suits in place who oppose this! I have many people saying how do I vote, who should I vote for regarding this being stopped. Many just want a template approach, sort of like the ones they try to hand U outside the voting ballot by different parties! If I can formulate one I can make a jpeg version so people can print & take with them when voting.
I'm helping to arrange activities for International Software Freedom Day.
We'll be buying some of these and promoting their sale to help parents to ensure their children are safe when accessing the Intertubes.
All children should be effectively covered by this sort of hardware to ensure they don't do things like checking the Internet for games which are refused classification, such as destructive, vicious, nasty games about graffiti.
love it guys!!!! been watching your company for the last few years and checking out your products - i will seriously consider buying next time - you peeps are now cool in my books :)
I want one!!! :-) Good work boys, nice to see someone sticking it to the government - politicians are not technicans, but it's hell funny to watch them try.. did anyone say 'clueless'?!!
Yep, if only we could use this on the communications minister himself and protect us from him coming through the Parliament House portals to make stupid legislation.
OMG! that was soooo lame .. not even funny! Kogan needs to attach electrodes to testicles of those responsible for that .. and Light 'em up! .. I think i deserve a free cheap GPS for having to watch that!!
Now that's another great price/ great product from Kogan Ent.
I hope it will stop all "those ads"...... for male-extension products....oh sure i do need them, but i'm not in a financial posistion to purchase them
wow that's really *cough* crappy *cough* good. if it apparently protects you from spam and scams, why doesn't it protect me from "cookies"? a lot of cookies can fit through that you know.. I think I'm just going to stick with norton antivirus for now....
Hey...no need to worry. This isn't an iPhone..there's no built in obsolescence. We've gone all out on our first release of this product to ensure it's as good as can possible be :)
We're currently working with a few installation companies to see if we can get a great bulk deal for our customers. But keep in mind, it comes with comprehensive installation instructions and is very easy to install!
I thought you guys used a special Conru-tack? I was charged an extra $100 for it last time and then found it for sale at the supermarket for $40. Rip offs!!!!
Sorry. We've limited the offer to 3 per customer. 8000 thread count Egyptian cotton is in very short supply at the moment and we need to ensure as many households as possible have access to this sort of protection.
@kaptinkle With saying that, people were stupid enough to vote in NSW Labor again. I have no faith in the Australian public.. not after they believed that Krudds bullshit scam to help working families.
Sorry..We did try and work steak knives into the offer but we were working with a very tight budget and wanted to make the Portector affordable for everyone.
It's a Schrodinger's Cat situation; the list lies in both a state of secrecy and non-secrecy. ;-)
BTW, the Kogan video above mentions the cost will be $128 million. I think that's closer to the mark. We should all get our story straight? Why? Currently, the cost is just informed opinion. The actual cost will not be known until the system is actually complete.
$2.2 million for a national filter covering all Australian network traffic? Hah! That's unbelievably cheap! Literally.
Software licenses to overseas companies: $12 million
Manpower to put it all together and maintain it : $24 million
The look on Conroy's face when a kid uses an overseas proxy to download porn: priceless.
There are some freedoms that money can't buy. For everything else, see your local investment banker, because Mastercard sure ain't lending you money for this.
So how can you people argue on one hand that the list of banned sites are secret and that kids will have access to the list at the same time? Someone's lying.
@msnakp Why would we be interested in lying about this? The list is kept secret by the government. However, a group of hackers managed to get ahold of the list and they distributed it all over the internet. One of the sites listed was the personal webpage of a dentist.
It's also, as mentioned, impossible to find these pages "inadvertently". Even if you go to Google, type "child porn" directly even with safe search off, you will not even get any porn links.
The difference between the governmentt internet filter and the Australian Classification Board, is that we know what the ACB have refused classification.
An installed filter on your computer is actually more effective than the one proposed by the govt. You're getting zero extra protection for the millions in cost for the filter. Don't know why you think it'll only cost $2.2 million. It will be much more than that.
@davekho2000 As I mentioned below I only think it will cost $2.2 million because you guys told me that's how much it cost. Sounds like you should all get your story straight.
@msnakp The $2.2 million spent doesn't protect kids. These sites cannot be found through any search engines - you can't "accidentally" come across them. You need to be given the web address. This is what the government did with their trial.
It's like spending $2.2 million on bubble wrap to put on the front of cars for crashes. Except this bubble wrap also stores all of your internet search history
@msnakp The long and short of it is that the liberal government already provides you with a solution. The issue with this internet filter is the banning of websites discussing things like euthanasia (something not banned in discussion in media presently).
We're opposed because it (a) doesn't work (b) gives out URLs to sites kids didn't previously have access to (c) is wasting millions (d) will slow down the internet (e) is open to abuse by politicians (f) the libs already provided a solution
I already have a net filter but I see no problem with spending the $2.2 million one of you guys mentioned before to make it just a bit harder for kids to inadvertantly come across sites that might upset them greatly for months or years to come. Money well spent I say.
@msnakp The filter will not block R rated material (i.e. legal), so their arguement about "protecting children" is simply a political gimmick. It's phrased in such a way as to be unopposable - how could you say "i'm NOT for the protection of children". The filter will be used in part to silence political dissent, see the blocking of Wikileaks after it made the blacklist public.
That doesnt seem to be a political gimmick - it seems that they are blocking the worst stuff on the internet from young Australians. Stuff you cant watch on TV etc. And I think you are proving my point exactly. It should be as hard as possible to inadvertantly access this stuff. Even if it stops a couple of Aussie kids seeing a couple of pages I think its worth doing.
Apart from the reality that Conroys filter is pointless for technical reasons, it is an example of government controlled censorship from a government which has proven itself incompetent and untrustworthy.
I don't trust this or any other government to decide what information I can be permitted to see, what I can't be permitted to see.
@msnakp Do you honestly see nothing wrong with the fact that we will be the ONLY western democracy to take up a filter which is the same as China and Iran's? If you want to be controlled by the government in that way, move there. There's nothing at all wrong with the internet in its current state, you just need software (which should be subsidised by the government with the money they're blowing on their "filter") to protect your kids.
The State of Victoria was the first in the world to make seatbelts compulsory. Very controversial at the time. Not so controversial anymore now that we have seen the benefits of it in action.
@msnakp That is a fair, if somewhat predictable point.
If, however, your point was about publications, games, films, etc, being 'refused classification' by the OFLC, the difference is that the board members of the OFLC are drawn from the community, their identities are made public and they serve for a limited period. Their findings and decisions are published and are subject to appeal. Open to public debate.
I will teach my kids what I can to protect them from inadvertently coming across filth on the internet but without an internet filter it will be much harder for parents. I dont know why you guys are up in arms about this but are silent about the laws protecting kids from seeing similar things on TV or in newspapers or in books. Double standards by the IT industry I say.
As a dad and an internet expert, I know that the government filter won't do squat to protect my children. I know that the only way to do it is with PC based filtering or by subscribing to a provider who provides filtered web access (by definition this is NOT internet access). Education and personal responsibility is the way to go, not ineffective nanny state feel-good policy
As a dad I want the government to do everything possible to reduce the chances of my kids seeing the vilest stuff on the internet. I know that its not 100% foolproof but why shouldnt we do what we can to protect young eyes from absolute filth? Seems like the IT industry is trying to hijack this debate to me and its parents who should be talking louder.
@msnakp There is a very good reason that the IT industry is up in arms about the filter. It's because anyone with a decent knowledge of IT knows that the filter is an utterly ridiculous idea. The government's filter would be about as effective as the one in this video. It won't protect your kids.
@msnakp The government current offers you a free "Net Nanny" product that will provide more effective protection for your children if you're worried. The proposed "national filter" will do the following:
a) Block sites that neither you, nor 99.9% of internet users can find (Google does not help you find them). Basically, you need to know the site's URL to get there.
b) Luckily, the government provides a concise list of the URLs for the "vilest" sites to your children (unintentionally).
@msnakp c) You can also look forward to them banning your access to sites discussing topical controversial issues like euthanasia.
d) They also want to store all of YOUR browsing history. All of it. If you've ever "accidentally" gone to a porn site yourself, hackers (and anyone who knows one) will be able to find that out.
@msnakp e) Your children will still be able the 420 million other pornographic sites out there.That's right, your government is spending $2.2 million blocking 550 / 420,000,000 websites. If you're not good with percentages, that's about 0%. Hence you'll have to get Net Nanny anyway, which would block those sites anyway.
@msnakp The best thing is that you're right, it's not 100% foolproof either. Millions of people in this country now have a list of banned websites that they previously wouldn't have been able to find.
As a parent, you should already have a net filter, you should educate yourself about how you're willingly to sacrifice their privacy to the government sheerly because their plan of "filtering the bad things on the internet" sounds good on the surface.
Unfortunately for Aus, Conroy the Incapable would believe this as fair dinkum, he is a vacant space technically.... his current little project to get the ISP's to store ALL our movements on the web for possible later review by the law is frightening... Comrade Conroy your Zil limousine is waiting.
The thing that kills me is Conroy’s approach of “We don’t know what it is exactly we want to filter, but let’s figure out if we can filter it first”. Excuse me?
Well, Youtube has that now with it's policy :D
Jason9811 4 weeks ago
hahahaha this is funny video! Did you pick up the fishing net from Victoria market? Love it! Those must be the useless duracell batteries from Coles!
These Kogan guys are funny and are cutting down costs, we relate to video like this. Ordinary people doing ordinary things unlike the big guys who think celebrity endorsement works, not in the age of Youtube, Facebook and off-shoring.
We hate Australian retail giants!
Kayse2010 1 year ago
HAHAH you guys are soo funny, and an awesome brand of tv...
Jay2097 1 year ago
this technology looks advanced. maybe it can protect me from con-taigous viruses?
ok that was the best conroy-related play-on-words i could come up with. don't judge me.
chicane2k 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
HOW TO VOTE THE INTERNET CENSORSHIP OUT!
And you can still vote for who you like!
Go to: w w w. filter-conroy. org
I suggest checking out the entire site too.
Please vote this up and spread the info if you agree.
TheUltraNinja 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
What about how to vote! What would be the best option in finding out & obtaining monkey see monkey do approach for voting Conroy out and putting proper suits in place who oppose this! I have many people saying how do I vote, who should I vote for regarding this being stopped. Many just want a template approach, sort of like the ones they try to hand U outside the voting ballot by different parties! If I can formulate one I can make a jpeg version so people can print & take with them when voting.
TheUltraNinja 1 year ago
... is that a fishing net?
vane00kn 1 year ago
@vane00kn no, it's an anti phishing net
MusicSpotRick 7 months ago
LOL made my day!
Macka007 1 year ago
Haha, love it
jj05h 1 year ago
I'm helping to arrange activities for International Software Freedom Day.
We'll be buying some of these and promoting their sale to help parents to ensure their children are safe when accessing the Intertubes.
All children should be effectively covered by this sort of hardware to ensure they don't do things like checking the Internet for games which are refused classification, such as destructive, vicious, nasty games about graffiti.
Grand Theft Auto is a wholesome family game :)
4ebees 1 year ago
Was this supposed to be...funny?
GLaDOSDanIsCool 1 year ago
This sounds legit :)
Where can I order one?
wei00007 1 year ago
love it guys!!!! been watching your company for the last few years and checking out your products - i will seriously consider buying next time - you peeps are now cool in my books :)
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MrKingquayle 1 year ago 3
$3000 What a scam!
After buying 2 of them I found out it could get pretty much the same thing for 8 bucks!
just wish I had of shopped around before buying
NOT HAPPY!
MrKingquayle 1 year ago
i bought one and it didnt work. this is such a spam.
jimmiow 1 year ago
@jimmiow or is it a scam? :O!
icantrememberlol 1 year ago
I live in the United States, where the internet is a series of tubes, not a portal. Does Kogan make an American version that works on tubes?
NinaPaley 1 year ago 3
@NinaPaley
My company make devices which ensure Intertube protection and which may just meet your requirements:
Compressed Occlusive Removable Kap System ( or C.O.R.K.S. for short)
They have been redesigned especially for the US market and are 100% guaranteed.
We presently have a sale on ($AU400 down from $AU500 per unit) and I'm quite happy for you to contact me directly. We take credit cards and paypal.
We are not associated with Kogan.
4ebees 1 year ago
Why not wrap one around Parliament House, that would keep the rubbish contained. BJ
SchauGermanSpitz 1 year ago 3
Hey you could use a big one of these to keep the illegal whaling ships out of our waters ! BJ
SchauGermanSpitz 1 year ago
Hahaha, at this point in time, the video has ONE (1) dislike... im guessing its Conboy, he doesnt like the competition with his idea!
Nice parody lads!
AS5AS51N666 1 year ago
Thank you Korgan, I was sick of all those spams and scams coming through the internet portal!!
Flame003 1 year ago
@Flame003 and by Korgan I meant Kogan :/
Flame003 1 year ago
I got one and it works a treat!!!, no more spam in my house.......Thanks Kogan.
xj6001991 1 year ago
This is hilarious, its great to see kogan turn into political commentators. Branching out from no nonsense value for money tv sales, good 4 u.
FadeToNet 1 year ago
I want one!!! :-) Good work boys, nice to see someone sticking it to the government - politicians are not technicans, but it's hell funny to watch them try.. did anyone say 'clueless'?!!
taskeegs 1 year ago
the government filter looks a bit expensive, at least the kogan filter will catch fish.
TradieTrev 1 year ago
Yep, if only we could use this on the communications minister himself and protect us from him coming through the Parliament House portals to make stupid legislation.
creeky1974 1 year ago 2
BP might market this if it will this work on the oil slick in the gulf
bangers 1 year ago
does it come in any other colour?
sydneyozguy 1 year ago
Product looks OK but the marketing is all wrong.
No Dancing Cowboy GIFs or even no flashing "You Have Won a Prize" in Comic Sans will always equal Poor Sales.
Also does not appear to be Mac compatible.
jgdctracker 1 year ago
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jgdctracker 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
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backreefoil 1 year ago
OMG! that was soooo lame .. not even funny! Kogan needs to attach electrodes to testicles of those responsible for that .. and Light 'em up! .. I think i deserve a free cheap GPS for having to watch that!!
backreefoil 1 year ago
what the fuck? this has to be a joke right?
brodogs1 1 year ago
Now that's another great price/ great product from Kogan Ent.
I hope it will stop all "those ads"...... for male-extension products....oh sure i do need them, but i'm not in a financial posistion to purchase them
wildwombat 1 year ago
I have 3 computers at home. is there a discount for multiple computers?
Also, is it Mac compatible? Considering how much money it'll save from those hard-hit spams, it's well worth the $2999 price.
expert25 1 year ago
...but is the Kogan Portector extensible enough to filter out such filth as Euthanasia and (*shudder*) dentistry!
p0ke53281 1 year ago
Is it compatible with MacOS/X?
macamelo 1 year ago
:( is there any left!? you didn't have a phone number... I need my ports to be tected, I'm worried about malicious spam.
brodyguest 1 year ago
Should I purchase a cheaper "Krogan" brand filter from Hong Kong? Their plastic sheets keep everything out of the portal. Seems like a good idea...
dilandach 1 year ago
for some strange reason this makes me want to pay for a kogan portector
Androopy1 1 year ago
must be one of Conroy's hoons who solely disliked this.
Androopy1 1 year ago
lol. Classic.
jumanous 1 year ago
@msnakp if you want internet filtering, google k9 web protection. It's free and works. Conroys solution is a wast of hundreds of millions $
walou12 1 year ago
Love the video, and even the comments are pretty amusing to read.
HollyHimeko 1 year ago
wow that's really *cough* crappy *cough* good. if it apparently protects you from spam and scams, why doesn't it protect me from "cookies"? a lot of cookies can fit through that you know.. I think I'm just going to stick with norton antivirus for now....
kctwistie 1 year ago
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mikechaw1 1 year ago
My friend got one.
I mean like, it was OKAY.
but i think i'll just wait for the next better version to come out...
SmexiiLisa 1 year ago 5
@SmexiiLisa
Hey...no need to worry. This isn't an iPhone..there's no built in obsolescence. We've gone all out on our first release of this product to ensure it's as good as can possible be :)
KoganVideo 1 year ago 6
@KoganVideo lmao
sooot175 1 year ago
It worked ok for me. I was just glad I was able to get 3 of the 8000 thread count specification to share with my family members. Thanks Kogan
David63190 1 year ago
@redback80
We're currently working with a few installation companies to see if we can get a great bulk deal for our customers. But keep in mind, it comes with comprehensive installation instructions and is very easy to install!
KoganVideo 1 year ago
I bought one and had it installed just like in the video
I tested it out by throwing a can of spam at it
and smashed my $3000 computer!
Not Happy! It did not work at all.
MrKingquayle 1 year ago 7
@MrKingquayle
Did you follow the installation instructions? Are you using original brand Blu-Tack?
KoganVideo 1 year ago 6
@KoganVideo
Yes I followed the instrutions
But it said use Blu-Tack
not original brand Blu-Tack!
which I cant find anywhere by the way
Original dont make Blu-Tack
NOT HAPPY!
MrKingquayle 1 year ago 2
@KoganVideo
I thought you guys used a special Conru-tack? I was charged an extra $100 for it last time and then found it for sale at the supermarket for $40. Rip offs!!!!
4ebees 1 year ago
WOW! Thats great value for a product of equal quality!
audo85 1 year ago
Please send a pack of 10
David63190 1 year ago
@David63190
Sorry. We've limited the offer to 3 per customer. 8000 thread count Egyptian cotton is in very short supply at the moment and we need to ensure as many households as possible have access to this sort of protection.
KoganVideo 1 year ago 3
i'll have 2 thanx!
TheBearEzentials 1 year ago
Fuck everyone. I'm voting Greens.
Tahlia5 1 year ago 5
where can i order? i'm so worried about this spam
Shade1541 1 year ago
YEVO YOUR NAME IS NOT ROY
PooJou 1 year ago
where can i order? i'm so worried about this spam
ottopotomas 1 year ago
There's a review of this product at techlogg.com/2010/06/review-kogan-portector-portal-protector/786
valveguru 1 year ago
lool
Malkaking 1 year ago
I want one!
dkk00159 1 year ago
So true Justin so true.. If any of you vote Labour at the next election then you deserve what you get.. Never, ever, again
kaptinkle 1 year ago
@kaptinkle With saying that, people were stupid enough to vote in NSW Labor again. I have no faith in the Australian public.. not after they believed that Krudds bullshit scam to help working families.
carmengetit123 1 year ago 2
hahahahhahahahahaha
mlezaic 1 year ago
Yawn !
hobo59 1 year ago
awesome.... how do I get one?
keltonharvey 1 year ago
@keltonharvey
They're selling on our website..but be quick..this sort of high tech product doesn't stay in stock for long!
KoganVideo 1 year ago
lol good one
RealCommunist2 1 year ago
win win win
Mico454545 1 year ago
This... is complete and total WIN!
N0NEoftheAB0VE 1 year ago
Haha that is great!
S2333 1 year ago
hahaha so great
djcoreyboi 1 year ago
Fucking perfect guys!!
Conroy and Rudd need to go, boot those pieces of shit out!!!!!!!!
shagmaster1 1 year ago
Perfect, can everyone forward this link onto conroy's email? I think he should know about this awesome filter. His email is minister@dbcde.gov.au
123machet 1 year ago 2
This is the best laugh I've had in a while. Thanks Kogan, I'm going to buy a telle.
davindamuller 1 year ago
Just awesome... Conroy is such a cunt.
justinpember 1 year ago 58
this is genius. You need to make a facebook fan page for this fine product.
TinMan666 1 year ago 6
@TinMan666
We used up so many resources creating this product that we just don't have the time. If you create the page, we'll all click "I Like" ;)
KoganVideo 1 year ago
Hahah! Gold! I love it. Everyone is hilarious. Especially that Roy guy. Throwing the Spam = Classic!!!!
kotaz92 1 year ago
@kotaz92
Roy has actually been contacted by Hollywood agents since we launched this video. We are trying hard to keep him on the Kogan team :)
KoganVideo 1 year ago
I think this is actually more effective than Conroy's filter.
derukureetsu 1 year ago 4
@derukureetsu
We agree!! Countess hours of research went into this project!!
KoganVideo 1 year ago
Top stuff. Even though you're not offering steak knives with it, I'd buy!
Bleeter 1 year ago
@Bleeter
Sorry..We did try and work steak knives into the offer but we were working with a very tight budget and wanted to make the Portector affordable for everyone.
KoganVideo 1 year ago
bwahaha, excellent!
Zoootex 1 year ago
It's a Schrodinger's Cat situation; the list lies in both a state of secrecy and non-secrecy. ;-)
BTW, the Kogan video above mentions the cost will be $128 million. I think that's closer to the mark. We should all get our story straight? Why? Currently, the cost is just informed opinion. The actual cost will not be known until the system is actually complete.
$2.2 million for a national filter covering all Australian network traffic? Hah! That's unbelievably cheap! Literally.
davekho2000 1 year ago
@davekho2000 - no that's the cost of the Cybersafety plan which includes things like hiring lots more AFP cops to crackdown on child porn etc.
msnakp 1 year ago
@msnakp
Hardware Infrastructure: $15 million
Software licenses to overseas companies: $12 million
Manpower to put it all together and maintain it : $24 million
The look on Conroy's face when a kid uses an overseas proxy to download porn: priceless.
There are some freedoms that money can't buy. For everything else, see your local investment banker, because Mastercard sure ain't lending you money for this.
p.s locally installed filters _would_ block porn downloaded via remote proxies.
davekho2000 1 year ago
So how can you people argue on one hand that the list of banned sites are secret and that kids will have access to the list at the same time? Someone's lying.
msnakp 1 year ago
@msnakp Why would we be interested in lying about this? The list is kept secret by the government. However, a group of hackers managed to get ahold of the list and they distributed it all over the internet. One of the sites listed was the personal webpage of a dentist.
It's also, as mentioned, impossible to find these pages "inadvertently". Even if you go to Google, type "child porn" directly even with safe search off, you will not even get any porn links.
ImPaulAyre 1 year ago
@msnakp Seatbelts do something. This filter doesn't. (Except provide a list of sites to children to explore and allow them to track your activity)
ImPaulAyre 1 year ago
@msnakp
The difference between the governmentt internet filter and the Australian Classification Board, is that we know what the ACB have refused classification.
An installed filter on your computer is actually more effective than the one proposed by the govt. You're getting zero extra protection for the millions in cost for the filter. Don't know why you think it'll only cost $2.2 million. It will be much more than that.
davekho2000 1 year ago
@davekho2000 As I mentioned below I only think it will cost $2.2 million because you guys told me that's how much it cost. Sounds like you should all get your story straight.
msnakp 1 year ago
@msnakp The $2.2 million spent doesn't protect kids. These sites cannot be found through any search engines - you can't "accidentally" come across them. You need to be given the web address. This is what the government did with their trial.
It's like spending $2.2 million on bubble wrap to put on the front of cars for crashes. Except this bubble wrap also stores all of your internet search history
ImPaulAyre 1 year ago
@msnakp The long and short of it is that the liberal government already provides you with a solution. The issue with this internet filter is the banning of websites discussing things like euthanasia (something not banned in discussion in media presently).
We're opposed because it (a) doesn't work (b) gives out URLs to sites kids didn't previously have access to (c) is wasting millions (d) will slow down the internet (e) is open to abuse by politicians (f) the libs already provided a solution
ImPaulAyre 1 year ago
@turtlevids
One Kogan Portector will protect multiple computers, as long as they're in the same vicinity, both network-wise and physically.
Personally, I think this is much better value than the filter proposed by the government. And it's just as effective!
davekho2000 1 year ago
I already have a net filter but I see no problem with spending the $2.2 million one of you guys mentioned before to make it just a bit harder for kids to inadvertantly come across sites that might upset them greatly for months or years to come. Money well spent I say.
msnakp 1 year ago
@msnakp The filter will not block R rated material (i.e. legal), so their arguement about "protecting children" is simply a political gimmick. It's phrased in such a way as to be unopposable - how could you say "i'm NOT for the protection of children". The filter will be used in part to silence political dissent, see the blocking of Wikileaks after it made the blacklist public.
boneyd 1 year ago
@boneyd
That doesnt seem to be a political gimmick - it seems that they are blocking the worst stuff on the internet from young Australians. Stuff you cant watch on TV etc. And I think you are proving my point exactly. It should be as hard as possible to inadvertantly access this stuff. Even if it stops a couple of Aussie kids seeing a couple of pages I think its worth doing.
msnakp 1 year ago
Apart from the reality that Conroys filter is pointless for technical reasons, it is an example of government controlled censorship from a government which has proven itself incompetent and untrustworthy.
I don't trust this or any other government to decide what information I can be permitted to see, what I can't be permitted to see.
Nor should you.
cabdude2 1 year ago
@cabdude2
But you presumably do trust them to ban similar stuff from the TV or newspapers etc?
msnakp 1 year ago
@msnakp Do you honestly see nothing wrong with the fact that we will be the ONLY western democracy to take up a filter which is the same as China and Iran's? If you want to be controlled by the government in that way, move there. There's nothing at all wrong with the internet in its current state, you just need software (which should be subsidised by the government with the money they're blowing on their "filter") to protect your kids.
morriswins 1 year ago
@morriswins
The State of Victoria was the first in the world to make seatbelts compulsory. Very controversial at the time. Not so controversial anymore now that we have seen the benefits of it in action.
msnakp 1 year ago
@msnakp That is a fair, if somewhat predictable point.
If, however, your point was about publications, games, films, etc, being 'refused classification' by the OFLC, the difference is that the board members of the OFLC are drawn from the community, their identities are made public and they serve for a limited period. Their findings and decisions are published and are subject to appeal. Open to public debate.
Conroys list? Secret. Unpublished. Unappealable.
cabdude2 1 year ago
I will teach my kids what I can to protect them from inadvertently coming across filth on the internet but without an internet filter it will be much harder for parents. I dont know why you guys are up in arms about this but are silent about the laws protecting kids from seeing similar things on TV or in newspapers or in books. Double standards by the IT industry I say.
msnakp 1 year ago
just awesome!!
ank2000 1 year ago
As a dad and an internet expert, I know that the government filter won't do squat to protect my children. I know that the only way to do it is with PC based filtering or by subscribing to a provider who provides filtered web access (by definition this is NOT internet access). Education and personal responsibility is the way to go, not ineffective nanny state feel-good policy
sjhnmd 1 year ago
As a dad I want the government to do everything possible to reduce the chances of my kids seeing the vilest stuff on the internet. I know that its not 100% foolproof but why shouldnt we do what we can to protect young eyes from absolute filth? Seems like the IT industry is trying to hijack this debate to me and its parents who should be talking louder.
msnakp 1 year ago
@msnakp There is a very good reason that the IT industry is up in arms about the filter. It's because anyone with a decent knowledge of IT knows that the filter is an utterly ridiculous idea. The government's filter would be about as effective as the one in this video. It won't protect your kids.
Awpsbane 1 year ago
@msnakp or maybe you could , you know, learn how to protect your own kids.
LordDazzer 1 year ago
@msnakp The government current offers you a free "Net Nanny" product that will provide more effective protection for your children if you're worried. The proposed "national filter" will do the following:
a) Block sites that neither you, nor 99.9% of internet users can find (Google does not help you find them). Basically, you need to know the site's URL to get there.
b) Luckily, the government provides a concise list of the URLs for the "vilest" sites to your children (unintentionally).
ImPaulAyre 1 year ago
@ImPaulAyre
What is your source for that 99.9 % figure?
msnakp 1 year ago
@msnakp The source for the 99.9% figure is from:
internet-filter-review<dot>toptenreviews<dot>com/internet-pornography-statistics-pg4.html
Conroy mentions in SMH interviews that there are 550 sites that will be filtered
ImPaulAyre 1 year ago
@msnakp c) You can also look forward to them banning your access to sites discussing topical controversial issues like euthanasia.
d) They also want to store all of YOUR browsing history. All of it. If you've ever "accidentally" gone to a porn site yourself, hackers (and anyone who knows one) will be able to find that out.
ImPaulAyre 1 year ago
@msnakp e) Your children will still be able the 420 million other pornographic sites out there.That's right, your government is spending $2.2 million blocking 550 / 420,000,000 websites. If you're not good with percentages, that's about 0%. Hence you'll have to get Net Nanny anyway, which would block those sites anyway.
ImPaulAyre 1 year ago
@msnakp The best thing is that you're right, it's not 100% foolproof either. Millions of people in this country now have a list of banned websites that they previously wouldn't have been able to find.
As a parent, you should already have a net filter, you should educate yourself about how you're willingly to sacrifice their privacy to the government sheerly because their plan of "filtering the bad things on the internet" sounds good on the surface.
ImPaulAyre 1 year ago
Unfortunately for Aus, Conroy the Incapable would believe this as fair dinkum, he is a vacant space technically.... his current little project to get the ISP's to store ALL our movements on the web for possible later review by the law is frightening... Comrade Conroy your Zil limousine is waiting.
AusCalais 1 year ago
This is absolutely brilliant. Someone should get onto Conroy, he need never worry about all those scams and spams coming through the portal again!
ParadoxVoid 1 year ago
It's funny cause it's true!
thimdynamite 1 year ago
lol!!! awesome.
jordang1 1 year ago
Haha!
Oh I just read your product listing on Kogan.com.au
It says limit 3 per customer, that's crap - I have 5 PC's and 2 laptops I need protected from the portal!
turtlevids 1 year ago
Luvyawork guys! Wonderful stuff.
jimboot 1 year ago
The thing that kills me is Conroy’s approach of “We don’t know what it is exactly we want to filter, but let’s figure out if we can filter it first”. Excuse me?
toinfitiyandbeyond 1 year ago
Mr Conroy should have tendered the project to Kogan!
vizelman123 1 year ago
Funny as hell.
DJBuyDay 1 year ago
Hilarious!!!
evolutionary16 1 year ago
lol
poagee 1 year ago