Weapon Demonstration: Razorback

[neburtech]

sees razorback...FACESTAB

[ColaKnight]

noob F2P Spy:*backstab* HAXHAXHAXHAXOMGOMGHOWDOYOUSURV­IVEBACKSTABBANHIMOMG

Skilled F2P or P2P Spy: *pulls out revolver*

[TheMLVideos]

@ColaKnight Thank you for mentioning how some F2P's can be skilled. I know not to backstab a razorback sniper.

[RandomGuy1994]

Probably the most useless weapon in tf2

At least it's in the top 10

[TARINunit9]

@RandomGuy1994

That was definitely true when it first came out. Slightly less true nowadays, since it no longer gives you a speed penalty and it totally pisses off Eternal Reward and Kunai Spies

[Doughman824]

I like the YER you jerks :/

[Doughman824]

When i see sniper with this item, i will either taunt kill, or use Ambassador to headshot sniper

[TheMagicalFace]

I only use this in medieval mode

[TheTitto]

I don't give a shit what the haters say about the Razorback, I like it. It gives me a feeling of safety whenever I use it. Most of the time, Spies ignore me and find someone else to stab.

[Aruenos]

@TheTitto Those are beginner spies then. Find a real spy and they will just shoot you. Worthless item.

[ArchzAngel]

Isn't it a bit eerie that the sniper's death cam has the body moving further than in the spy's perspective?

[Aquasharkyboy]

The only time one should equip the razorback is on Degroot Keep, since most spies won't bother trying to double-backstab you and you can't equip jarate as your secondary anyway.

[privatepessleneck]

this is useful to prevent a spy from just running by and back stabbing you because it makes it more tricky.

[TwilightKun4]

"Hale's Own Razorback"

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

[TheBritishPlatypus]

I like the Razorback and don't think it's useless. I'm never alone and if a spy tries to shoot me with his revolver, I have the chance that I and my team mates (unless they are retarded n00bs) will take him out before he gets his third shot off (overhealed 4th or 5th), it's A LOT more noticeable and takes more time than a backstab, it also makes it impossible for him to chain-backstab and he therefore prefers to target on other players. Just not being a spy's first prey is already a big relief.

[oxjmanxo]

so you shoot the spy 3 times in the back of the head when he has a razor back, itsnt that much longer to kill them than.

[ironman19725]

It seems like the Razorback (and Danger Shield) really could use some sort-of buff. They wouldn't even need to have a big buff, but maybe have something like...

Give a melee or explosive damage reduction with the Razorback and a fire damage reduction to the Danger shield (actually making the set work better), or something along those lines.

[derolme]

@ironman19725 maybe comining them into one item like darwins dangerback, that combines both of the weapons ability.

[ironman19725]

@derolme I actually thought about that, but it seems like some people might be upset with that too, and say that with the Croc-a-style kit that it would be OP (no headshots or backstabs causing insta-kill), or just dislike it in general as people always seem to do.

[derolme]

@ironman19725 hmm, yah i don't like set-effects in general. so i would remove them :D

[ManOfManyLolz]

Enemy point of view: body falls in front of where you were standing

Your point of view: YOU GO MOTHERFUCKING FLYING ACROSS HALF OF THE GODDAMN MAP

[luizmw2]

it should have a buff.

if the sniper gets any hit, the razorback breaks.

if the sniper receives ANY attack from an enemy spy, the backstabbin' douchebag will be incapable to use any weapon for that very short period of time.

[MiguelAlves1337]

The razorback is the worst secondary for the sniper. The only thing it is good for is to troll YER Spies. But in all honesty, who uses the YER?

[ginganinja714]

@MiguelAlves1337 Most spies nowadays, actually.

[DecoyCannon]

The razorback:

Spy: oh no what should I do?

*pulls out ambassador*

Thanks for the headshot.

[dejEtack]

spy: oh look, a razorback, whatever shall I do? *pulls out gun*

[MLDKF]

@dejEtack Actually, I hade some newb try backstabbing me the other day when I had the razorback equipped. Needless to say, they were easily dispatched. It happenned again about a minute later after I got it back from the refresh locker in spawn.

[dejEtack]

@MLDKF they my have just been trying to get the "die another way" achevment

[MLDKF]

@dejEtack Well if they were, they failed.

[freak8Out]

Why the hell is the razorback visible by enemy spy? valve should make it invisible so when the spy trys to backstab theyll be like "Oh shit!!!"

[D0Samp]

@freak8Out That happens way more often by accident as you might expect.

[moriorinvictus69]

by far the most useless item in Tf2 ever created. The only thing this is worth is half a scrap metal.

[ZzVinniezZ]

i named it : "stab me bitch!"

[SuperNESmanJr]

Valve can make a Strange Razorback but not a Strange SMG.

[cloftus4]

Some people think they can outsmart knife, maybe, maybe

But I've yet to meet someone who can outsmart revolver

[Shaqkill14]

You know there exist a Hale's own Razorback? Lol.

[DMZ6KG]

@Shaqkill14 That's an outright lie, Saxton Hale would never need a razorback.

[XiaoXiaoMan1123]

Well, it certainly does prevent Spies from backstabbing you. Watch them pull out their Revolver instead.

[privatepessleneck]

@XiaoXiaoMan1123 then snipers will evolve to "meerkat snipers" and crouch upon taking damage :)

[PikaRobo]

>Hears an electrical breaking sound from behind and noticeably less weight on back.

>Probably nothing...

[lkhrizl]

imagine a sniper using machina and razorback ROFL xD

[Reierdacool]

This thing is so useless.

[96crisadi]

I just noticed, Sniper's corpse flew much farther in client view than from the Spy's view.

[HowHighAreYou96]

I remember when I backstabbed a sniper... I gave him the 50th backstab, so he got ,,The Consolation Prize" achievement and the Sniper milestone 3, along with the Razorback. Felt good :]

[randommadness12]

We used to think the Razorback was useful.... then Valve gave us the Enforcer.

[XxxT900xxX]

@randommadness12 Alternatively you could use the Ambassador if you're skilled with headshots such as myself. I for one don't think the increased fade delay that comes with the Enforcer makes up for the damage increase.

[randommadness12]

@XxxT900xxX Yeah, I used to use the Ambassador, but I later realized that was a bad idea since I never really was competent with headshots. So I just prefer ambushing with the Enforcer. To be quite honest, the fade delay doesn't really bother me that much.

[randommadness12]

@randommadness12 And plus, I use the Dead Ringer as my invisible watch replacement, so because of that, the Enforcer has no fade delay. :D

[thefreakDWN]

@randommadness12 Sorry to interrupt you but it does it delays the time it takes for you to take out your dead ringer

[randommadness12]

@thefreakDWN No it doesn't. Look it up on Official TF2 Wiki.

[6000NoobTube]

@XxxT900xxX Dead Ringer?

[HydroMonsoon]

Sniper: HA! You can't backstab me now, you bloody traitor!

Spy: Fencing taunt.

Sniper: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU­UUUUU-

[Denthedragon]

Should've never been a Strange Weapon...

[vichogonzalez15]

I felt so disappointed when I got this with sniper milestone 3, I was expecting something useful.

[Ainaryu]

If you backstab it with Eternal reward....

YOU TURN INTO A RAZORBACK

So....

BEWARE

[UltimateHobo77]

@Ainaryu lol

[TacosIncorperated]

@Ainaryu I WISH IT WAS TRUE D:

[CharroArgentino]

At least is useful on Degroot Keep :I

[Pikaandpi]

@CharroArgentino Not really. Most Snipers stay on the battlements, where Spies can't get them unless the gate has already been opened once... and that's assuming said Spies don't get caught before they get up there. Even the Darwin's Danger Shield is a preferable "weapon" in comparison, which says a lot IMO.

[CharroArgentino]

@Pikaandpi Blu Snipers :U

[Pikaandpi]

@CharroArgentino Completely forgot about them. Still, so very few people play Spy, and those who do are generally obvious. And even then, the Danger Shield's additional HP gives enough health to survive one more non-Crit melee attack backstabs excluded, making it more useful even in that scenario.

[oiramldx]

This is useless because even L'stranger (the weakest Spy gun) can kill a Sniper before he reacts.

[vivhero]

@oiramldx

A dumb Sniper, yeah, an aware Sniper, with any revolver, can counter at around the second shot. However, the Enforcer makes it impossible for a Sniper to react fast enough. Anyways, yes, this Razorback is mostly useless.

[privatepessleneck]

the razorback is good if your next to a sentry or allies so if they try to shoot you, the sentry or friends will stop them, if your by yourself, your easily disposed of,

[SuperAlexandroid]

Yeah, this thing is next to useless unless you're using Eternal Reward and there's sentries everywhere.

[bestdudeever765]

not so tough when ambassador takes the place...

[OmfgDef]

Strange Razorback: Spies Shocked: (x)

REALLLLLLLY VALVE???

[ShieldLessLink]

This right here, is for lazy players who won't have to watch their anymore. Not like they ever did. But if they did, well, they would survive longer than they do hahaha.

[ShieldLessLink]

Really doesn't matter if this this is useful or useless. Each class has something more better than what a class uses. For instance, yeah, sure, I can break my disguise if I first shoot the Sniper two times or, shoot the sniper then facetab him. But all I have to do is really pull out my Dead Ringer (as though I died and have no disguise), and, well, get in arms way, and BINGO, I have an disguise. Obviously that's what pros do anyways if they fail a backstab lol.

[0terminater0]

How do you use the strange razorback? O_O

[WoodenZigzagoon]

Defence against stair stabs on the occasion you come across someone who tries them.

[ThatsEvenMoreCrap]

@WoodenZigzagoon

If a spy can trickstab efficiently he'd be smart enough to just 2-shot with the amby.

[Andres510000]

Razorcrap ??

[gmc5626]

"Server-clearing Razorback"

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

[isprel221]

@gmc5626 I already have a "Unremarkable Razorback"

[Kaine852]

This is a real threat to spies with no luck with the Eternal Reward. This is also a threat to spies who panicstab.

[weezing22arbok]

one counter for the Razorback is the Ambassador. Or if the Sniper happens to be REALLY focused on that Engie's head.

[FightOfTheBumblebees]

Only useful for dissuading the awful spies that still use YER.

[RyuuHawke]

This item proves its worth when the spy abuses the eternal reward, with the razor back, they have no choice but to forfeit their disguise to kill you

[ProjectAngelLuna]

Only useful if the enemy team has a backstab-happy Spy.

[TtestPL]

Actually this weapon is quite useful against spies in Medieval Mode, since they can't use their revolver and is restricted to their knife. And the Sniper can't carry his SMG or his Jarate in this mode anyway.

[OperationAnime262]

I think the Razerback should kill the backstabbing spy thorugh electricution instead of just stopping one backstab.

[Hal0Sux]

@OperationAnime262 That's way overpowered, maybe -25 to -50 health?

[MultiInsaniac]

@Hal0Sux Then it wouldnt be as completely useless as it is now, stil useless, but not AS useless

[Hal0Sux]

@MultiInsaniac It's not useless, the spy has to give away his disguise to kill the sniper when you use it.

[MultiInsaniac]

@Hal0Sux And he dosent when he has to backstab? Any kind of attack causes the spy to give away his disguise not just shooting.

[Hal0Sux]

@MultiInsaniac You'd be surprised at the amount of times I've gotten away with a backstab right in front of people, shooting however completely gives it away unless the other team is deaf and a bunch of idiots.

[Gytax0]

Like someone said:

"This item works from one class, from one weapon, from one direction and it only works once."

[SuperAwesomeTiago]

This weapon is useless,however spies will always go after backstabs anyway because they are dumbshit pussies.

[nintendoforumuser]

I never get why people even equip this, I see it everywhere. Razorback is very easy to take care of as you can shoot them 3 times before they can react, it also will not regenerate by itself. The danger shield may give you more hp but even then it is still not enough to protect from a headshot so it is useless to me. I prefer my jarate because it is anti everything, and you help the team with it.

[WHATISUTUBE]

@nintendoforumuser eeeeegzactly. In less than three seconds, the sniper is dead with the basic revolver. Usually, they dont act quick enough, and think someone from below or something got them.

[Kaine852]

@nintendoforumuser im pretty sure they equip it for the achievments

[lkhrizl]

in the words of spy "oh please now what i am going to do, by the way say hi to my little friend(revolver,ambassador,enf­orcer etc.) only stupid,f2pers and amateur spies will try to backstab a sniper using that

however this one on degroot spies are screwed

[MasterOfTheXP]

Snipers who use this are my best friends, cause they all have their volume off :)

[fullmetalchaz]

ooooooo a vintage razor back, we're being fancy today

[SpaceAnimator]

The Razorback is better suited to the rifles (Sniper Rifle, Sydney Sleeper and Bazaar Bargain) because you are usually behind the thick of the battle where Spies can get you easier. With the Huntsman, where you are closer to the battle, the Darwin's Danger Shield is better. That +25 health is helpful. But either way, you can't get past the Ambassador's headshot unless you have the Croc-O-Style Kit.

[VanguardFencer]

@SpaceAnimator Croc-O-Style makes u immune to headshots but vulnerable to backstabs

[SpaceAnimator]

@VanguardFencer Yup.

[DaMightyHuuma]

Why does the body fly 10 meters when it gets stabbed by a knife?

[VanguardFencer]

Spy:

Some snipers think they can outsmart me. Maybe..*sniff*.. maybe.

I have yet to find one who can outsmart bullet

[VanguardFencer]

Sniper: Spies will never get me now

-spy takes out ambassador-

Spy: BOOM! Headshot!

Sniper *DEAD*: HEY! Thats MY line

Spy: Not anymore. Thanks for standing still wanker

[yichl]

I hear the razorback break.

The fact it auto scopes you out helps.

[privatepessleneck]

they should make it more hidden from view so spy can't see it

when it is broken, it should have a alert you with a distinctive sound that is loud

[Multiknight]

If you play medieval mode or zombie mode it's alright to have but in a normal game it really is worthless. I can't tell you how many times I've just shot the sniper with my revolver or, hell, even just backstabbed him twice.

They should give him some small damaged resistance like 10% or 20% bullet and explosion resistance when equipped but when a spy backstabs the shield off you lose those buffs. I mean, geez, give this item SOME usefulness.

[TwilightKun4]

The uselessness...the sheer utter uselessness

throw on the +25 Health from the Danger shield and give the poor bloke some Damage resistances

[CognizantCheddar]

@TwilightKun4

If some other target is visible nearby for the spy, more often than not he'll go for that instead of troubling with the sniper wearing a razorback. That's the point of the item.

Of course the danger shield is better. But you have to remember the razorback is an unlockable and so easier to get, whereas far fewer people have the danger shield.

[TwilightKun4]

@CognizantCheddar because the Amby makes the Razorback obsolete

Headshot+Bodyshot=dead sniper

[Maxaxle]

I once backstabbed a sniper with a razorback, but he didn't notice. So I killed him.

[privatepessleneck]

@Maxaxle was it on barn blitz?

[Maxaxle]

@privatepessleneck I think it was 2Fort from TFC.

[privatepessleneck]

@Maxaxle oh because it might of been me because the first time i used it, i had no idea that a spy was trying to kill me, :/

[Maxaxle]

@privatepessleneck Unless you joined AFTER the Uber Update, I don't see how you could have missed that. I've gotten like five or ten Razorbacks over time.

[fedegon96]

Eternal reward's greatest enemy!

[DalleDrYgzor]

Time to intervene a backstab in progress: 0 seconds.

Time to intervene a lethal series of shots (counting from after the first shot, when the spy has to lose his disguise): ~0.6 - ~1.2 seconds.

The razorback is also an efficient tool for countering Eternal Reward users, a sniper without a razorback is an excellent opening for such a spy.

[resettimanalt]

Lol there are still some stupid snipers who are too slow to respond to their razorbacks getting broken, so I just end up actually backstabbing them anyways.

[illegalwaffles]

@squibble2 well, true, plus a car battery in medieval times doesnt make much sense. now a grenade on a stick, thats ok

[marcolaranja]

I just wore this to make the achievment, its back on the vault.

[FoobyZeeky]

Snipers don't notice their razorback's gone anyway, plus pistol ftw.

[UshiromiyaReiji]

>Implying anyone even uses Razorback anymore

[kehnis]

@UshiromiyaReiji Why yes....I do...(I can't aim for shit with the SMG)

[UshiromiyaReiji]

@kehnis

Well good, you're one of very few.

I thought it was a pretty cool idea when it was implemented, but now that the +25 health shield came out, virtually nobody uses Razorback.

I've literally seen only two guys with it in the last few months.

[kehnis]

@UshiromiyaReiji I'm not really a fan of the Darwins Danger Shield...Even with the +25 health I will still die just as fast even without it.

Razorback is also a good situational weapon when being picked on by spies since they then have to take the time to switch to their revolver and then shoot you and since I usually snipe right near my team the Spy usually has to be very cautious.

[UshiromiyaReiji]

@kehnis

I agree, it is, but most Snipers nowadays either A.Camp during the entire match, in which case they don't really need it or B. spam Lucksman, in which case Jarate is much more useful.

Also, I don't like the Danger Shield either.

[MezaseMaster]

@UshiromiyaReiji Razorback and Danger Shield serve two entirely different functions. I don't see why one could replace the other.

And the Razorback has become a lot more useful with the advent of Medieval Mode, and could be more useful in the main game had they implemented that flame retardant suit.

[UshiromiyaReiji]

@MezaseMaster

Because I implied that they serve the same function...

Okay.

[MezaseMaster]

@UshiromiyaReiji Ummm... by saying one completely replaces the other, you are implying something along those lines, yes.

[UshiromiyaReiji]

@MezaseMaster

..I never implied one completely replaces the OTHER, I said most people, who don't use Jarate or the SMG use the Danger Shield over the Razorback, which is absolutely different.

[someEsoldier]

@kehnis Me neither but I still use smg. My friend actually finds it overpowed and I don't know why.

[tudssquadbuisness]

@UshiromiyaReiji I've seen a decent number of people use it in medieval mode. I use it medieival myself considering I can't use the jarate or SMG. So why not save my back from a spy while playing :3 ?

[WaddleMoogle]

And that's why the Ambassador is the best Spy gun! =3

[chiscolbert0912]

one of the best things why snipers use the razorback is because you don't have to worry about a back stab, so it's more psychological than practical and plus, even a average sniper should be able to know when a spy stabs them, and unless there using the enforcer u probably can beat that spy using your kukri

[illegalwaffles]

only good in medieval

[ruffmajor]

ambassador?

[Hurricaaane]

The Razorback is only dangerous for spies if they succeed in a facestab

[rmeddy1]

Spies with the Enforcer just Yao Ming face when they see the Razorback now.

They need to change the mechanics of this item

[SoapTavish141]

When you are heavily focus on battle, spies may take a gamble on backstabbing your razorback and hope that you do not hear it. The spy's new revolver, The Enforcer, can kill you in 2 shots at close range, making the Razorback purely a waste of Secondary Slot unless you are dealing with more backstabbing spies.

[BotiBalint]

@ihasnotomato wat?

[ssbmar]

@ihasnotomato The movement speed reduction was removed a long time ago

[Specterish]

Shouldn't the Razorback, y'know, kill the Spy stupid enough to back-stab you...?

[coffeeninja88]

I still think The Razorback should show a kill icon like with a destroyed building. Maybe only visible to the Sniper and the Spy that it affects. But, a kill tag like:

Spy's Name [backstab icon] Razorback (Sniper's Name)

[keggie09]

Why the reupload?

[WindyPower]

@keggie09 Seeing the action from three perspectives

[ZippyRagu]

Oh shucks, its a sniper with a razorback, whatever shall I dooooo?

*breaks out pistol*

[shaymenmaster2]

@ZippyRagu you would believe some smart spies would do that -.-

[ihasnotomato]

@ZippyRagu *breaks out enforcer* >:)

[Xmask]

@ZippyRagu screw pistol bring out th ebig lady abssador. But some spy players cans till attack a sinper if it just him and spy with attacks or doge enoguh to get the backstab.

[mariofan38]

@ZippyRagu I use the Razorback with the Huntsman while front lines sniping, so... :P

Best use of this secondary, in my opinion.

[CognizantCheddar]

@ZippyRagu

*promptly explodes from a rocket on his third pistol shot because he foolishly drew the attention of every nearby enemy*

[VanguardFencer]

@CognizantCheddar In the midst of a battle with exploding rockets/grenades and miniguns firing, how can a single pistol attract such attention? And in the back, where the sniper camps, isolated from the mad gunfire who is around to hear that?

[CognizantCheddar]

@VanguardFencer

Well, if the pub you're on is full of shitty players, sure, you can get away with it a lot. Or if the sniper is hanging out waaaaaaaay in the back somewhere all by himself (i.e. a bad sniper player that doesn't actually help his team).

Against decent players, though, it's just smarter, cleaner, and less risky for the spy to simply find someone else to backstab. And that's the razorback's value.

[CognizantCheddar]

@VanguardFencer

Anyway, the spy's revolver is one of the loudest and most noticeable gun-sounds in the game. Don't know how you haven't noticed that. The sound of it jumps out of the cacophony, even more so than the scout's scattergun.

And I'm sure that's very deliberate on Valve's part.

[VanguardFencer]

@CognizantCheddar even if the sniper was inside the battlefield, spy with Ambassador can headshot him from a distance. Besides, if he was closer to the battlefield, DDS would be better since he will more likely be hit by the bullet/rocket/nade spam. And the pyro in the battle field should be able to get rid of spies. No need for the razorback

[GameAtHeart]

@CognizantCheddar You did Correct the User by that information. However.....

It takes 2 Shots to kill a Sniper with an Enforcer Close-Ranged. You have to say which Pistol the Spy uses.

Uncloak, 2 Shots, Cloak back & run to get some Cover without dying.

[CognizantCheddar]

@GameAtHeart

Don't have this 'Enforcer' pistol. I took like a two year hiatus from the game and only started playing again recently, I wasn't around for the spy update when it first happened.

[ZippyRagu]

@ZippyRagu Oh shiz its a revolver not a pistol.

[asddsa76]

@ZippyRagu Think about it if you have Your eternal award. If you kill him with pistol, you will be undisguised. If you backstab him, you'll lose your disguise, get stunned, and make a very loud noise. You cannot redisguise without killing him, and backstabbing is really hard in a melee fight, and spy melee weapons suck when it's not from behind. (Come on, 40 damage and slow swing time)

[ThatsEvenMoreCrap]

@ZippyRagu

I know right? the Razorback is such a useless item. Jarate is TEN times better at taking out spies. I actually like snipers with the razorback, amby, 2 shot, kaythanks.

[ZippyRagu]

@ThatsEvenMoreCrap I never said it was useless...

[ThatsEvenMoreCrap]

@ZippyRagu

It is. xD

[CplJoebot]

distracted snipers not even hearing the sound of their razorback breaking

distracted snipers not even hearing the sound of their razorback breaking everywhere

[xRobG]

This would of been useful 15 years ago.

[lopo805]

@xRobG i dont get it