I find the origin of the word "faggot" becoming a slanderous term fascinating. To all the homophobes (at battle with their own gay tendencies) if nothing else, you should appreciate learning something. But that's the problem, you don't want to learn. Growth means change.
I used to live in a small town and have "FAGGOT" shouted at me every day (oddly I'd be holding hands with a beautiful girl) and it fucking sucked. So I have nothing but empathy for victims of peoples ignorance turned violent.
Great scene, but homosexuals weren't burned, at least not systematically, so that's not where the word comes from. It derives from an insult aimed at old women.
@mikeyholding What's your source? I agree that gays could not have been systematically burned. But I could see them becoming random kindling found out. Look what they did to women. I love the show. When I heard that I was blown away being very into the origin of things. So I wanted to see what people were saying about this scene. If what he's saying isn't correct I will be disappointed, but, will probably tell this story anyway. Because if it makes people think, to me, that's the real point.
If I use the word faggot with my friends etc. and refrain from using it around homosexuals (keep in mind when I use the word faggot with friends, in my head I'm not thinking of the term as disparaging toward gay people, just as a jokey banter thing) would you--the homosexuals--think I'm a bad person? Even though I never use it around you guys because I know the word CAN have a particular meaning and affect to particular people? Same question for the word Nigger.
@LuckyJack1289 I wouldn't think you're a bad person. I'd tell you to stop doing that because it contributes to a lot of unhealthy things in our society, but I wouldn't think you're a bad person.
This is great and it showcases my problem with asshole organizations like GLAAD. According to them. Any reference a COMEDIAN MAKES to a gay or lesbian that is not complimentary is regarded as hate speech when in reality it's just having fun. If you want acceptance, if you want integration that means you have to be able to make fun of yourself and allow others to make fun of you. Everyone can be made fun of and screwed with, if you want different treatment people will treat you differently.
@amayagab Wow dude. Way to miss the point entirely.
If a word has been used as a slur against a particular group for years upon years, it is NOT OKAY to pretend that word is now entirely neutral. You don't get to reclaim that shit; WE DO. It's a word that has a long, awful history among us, a word that's been repeated at us all our lives in order to dehumanize and humiliate us.
@BreakOutTheLobsters no, YOU do not, because as long as you think of yourself as separate from anybody, you give them right to do the same. WE are all the same, just as as we're all different. some people are going to be ignorant and hateful. it's up to the rest of us to be better...even if it means taking inhuman amounts of abuse and loving people anyway.
We're talking about the reclamation of words used to abuse and harm other people here, and who has the right to do that. I fail to see how asking people to not be dicks and hurt their fellow men because they like a certain swear word makes me as bad as them.
Also, *headdesk*
*headdesk*
*headdesk*
We are all EQUAL as humans. We are not all the SAME. Recognizing that is important as Hell when it comes to social justice.
@amayagab Straight cis people who haven't experienced that kind of discrimination once in their lives need to check their privilege and learn to shut the fuck up and show some respect to their fellow man. When LGBTQ people aren't second-class citizens with insanely high suicide rates at young ages and a long history of oppression, THEN maybe we'll talk.
@amayagab tl;dr: Cultural context: It's a thing. You can't just erase years upon years of injustice and decide that EVERYTHING'S EQUAL NOW LET'S BREAK OUT THE SLURS.
Because you're not seeking equality. You just want an excuse to shout "faggot". You piece of shit.
@BreakOutTheLobsters You're right, you cannot erase years of injustice, what you can do is move on from them and not let it bother you or try to get someone fired when they use word you find bothersome.
@amayagab Actually, not everyone CAN, because believe it or not a lot of us have to deal with really severe trauma related to homophobia and transphobia. (Faggot isn't an anti-trans word, but many people don't have any idea what transgenderism actually is, so it applies.)
It is not okay to pretend that the word no longer has any negative connotations. Period. If it's that distressing to people you should modify your language and not be a dick, because there are PLENTY of words to replace it.
@BreakOutTheLobsters Nobody should modify their speech for anyone. The constitution protects my right to not have my speech altered in any way, it does not protect your right not to have your feelings hurt.
@amayagab No, but we're not talking about the Constitution; we're talking about being a functioning, decent human being with respect for other human beings. If that's too hard for you, well, I'm sorry.
(FYI: Freedom of speech is not, and never has been, freedom from criticism.)
@BreakOutTheLobsters When have you ever heard of comedians being decent and having respect for others? The only one I can think of is Brian Regan. Appart from that, I can't think of any truly talented comedian in the last 15 years that hasn't crafted very offensive and deplorable content into humour.
@BreakOutTheLobsters I never said that comedy routines should represent real life behaviour, I'm saying that we should be alowed to say what we want, ESPECIALY if you are a comedian without the fear of being fired or having your livelyhood destroyed.
@amayagab Comedians can say whatever the fuck they want. I thought Louis's speech was HILARIOUS; I just didn't think anyone was dumb enough to take it seriously. It's an entirely different matter when you're in a social situation where people don't know that they're in a safe space and you throw that word around.
Shit, it goes without saying that using "faggot" as a synonym for "idiot" has a silent message of "gay = bad" so how, may I ask, can you even begin to defend that?
@amayagab But yeah, people should NOT be allowed to say whatever they want without fear of retribution. Words are NEVER just words; words can harm, and words can kill. If I called a black coworker a nigger or used "nigger" to describe some (white) idiot because "niggers = bad" I would be in hot water SO fast. And I would DESERVE it.
@BreakOutTheLobsters That's a very cute saying and in the spirit of cooperating with nonsense I will pretend that physical harm is comparable to words that only bother those who allow words to bother them. If saying mean things inflicted physical harm, I call you a fag and you have a cut on your face, then you are absolutely right. But it does not work that way. In this case, you can have the fist swung directly in our face and have it pass right through your head.
@BreakOutTheLobsters I know what they are and I also know why most of them are unaplicable and complete garbage to the point their users are trying to convey, like you just did.
@amayagab I'm sorry, how is "Your freedom to be a complete jackass only exists as long as you don't dick around with other people in the process" not applicable here?
@BreakOutTheLobsters Because you CAN dick around with anyone you want. You cant physically hurt them but you can fuck with them all you want. They, on the other hand, can choose to be dicked around and offended or leave the situation without acknowledging it. What they cannot do is threaten to have them fired, force them to apologise and fuck with their livelihood.
@amayagab Oh okay. So you think it's the victim's fault as long as they don't get physically attacked, in other words, because of course verbal and emotional abuse have no effects and cannot be traumatic ever.
@amayagab I'm guessing you've never been on the receiving end of any serious kind of abuse, dude, or you'd actually have some idea of what it's like. It's not as simple as flicking an "I don't give a fuck" switch.
@BreakOutTheLobsters that's a calm rational response that I appreciate not because of wit, but sincerity. People are always trying to outwit each other. Speaking from a real place inside yourself is far more effective. But unfortunately when one opens themselves up enough to speak from the heart they reveal themselves and become vulnerable. Vulnerable to assholes on fucking youtube that are so miserable they actually come here just to make waves. Their lives suck that much. Yours doesn't have to
@amayagab I like how you turned that around, though. Poor little underprivileged straight cis male, getting brought down by the mean ole gays just 'cause he's showing no respect for them as human beings. D:
@amayagab And we're missing the point yet again. Throwing around a slur in a way that devalues and dehumanizes other people is NOT okay, and if you know that you're doing it right in front of a person who has very good reasons for being upset by it and do it anyway, that's incredibly selfish at best and abusive at worst. You're assuming that just because YOU don't have a problem with it, it must be fine.
@BreakOutTheLobsters Alright. I tried to make it coherent and understandable but I'm just not that kind of person and I cant keep talking this politely so let me just be blunt. It IS okay for me or anyone to say anything you want because I don't care that t hurts you. I don't care that you are offended. That's YOUR problem, not mine.
@amayagab "I'm a selfish dick and the minor happiness brought on by me getting to do whatever I want is way more important than how the people around me might feel."
The argument by @amayagab and @BreakOutTheLobsters is really good stuff. I see both sides of their arguments Had this same argument the other day. I won't say what side I am on bc I don't want to be bias but I will say that I think both of u took something completely different from this video. U all have different perspectives on the situation that don't allow to understand the others.
@BreakOutTheLobsters I would like to throw in that while people sometimes say things so stupid you have to react. You don't need to become offended because it is THEMSELVES making themselves look that way. Which is uneducated, full of fear and possible homosexuals themselves. BUT, unfortunately, they have the right to be an ass. But you also reserve the right to tell them to put a plastic bag over their head and breath until they collapse and the world becomes a better place ;)
This is the scene that made this my favorite show on television. This is what comedy is. It's a way to speak to each other about the things we'd otherwise be fighting over.
I loved the part where he mentioned the usage of the word dredging up a nasty history, and then the camera focuses on the other guy on that table who could probably relate.
the thing that annoys me about this is that every man at that table ALREADY KNOWS how faggot is used to bully people. They went to high school, right? But they pretend to be learning some lesson from the token gay friend as if his experiences happened on a different planet than the one they've been living on.
@moremi123@moremi123 I don't think the point of the video was to understand that the word is insulting. I think it showed an interesting interaction...Most of time time it's 6 to 7 straight men together using the word without care. With a gay man in the mix it becomes different, and people act differently and choose different words. I like how Louis CK picked his brain about how it felt rather than change the way he speaks or hide his real personality. Hilarious and interesting exchange!
@moremi123 The token bigot response to this would be "SO WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY WORDS JUST BECAUSE THEY HURT SOMEONE'S FEELINGS?!", which I always find funny because it's so absurd. No one ever mentions making words illegal; it's just that using them (in a particular context or in public), despite knowing how it affects others, makes you a piece of shit.
Whether the etymology is or is not correct is not the point. This vignette is brilliant regardless for taking the time to make viewers think about so casually using a word that has been used towards gay men while they are being bullied, beaten up, or killed. Sure there a couple things that could have been tweaked to make this more effective but as a part of a comedy show, this is a brilliant piece of art.
While it obviously does so conciously and with an allusion towards promoting understanding of sexual descrimination It comes across as crass and ignorant layered over genuinely hateful sentiments. The highlights of this are the 'mother' joke and it's deliberate explanation and the final 'thanks faggot' comment.
Maybe I just need to see more of this in the proper context but in 7 minutes all this managed to convey was tasteless and age-old homphobic and biggotted attitudes.
@zofspade Right yeah, I forgot that this was happening in youtube comments, I should've expected any replies to jump straight to insults. You'd probably be a good replacement for the 'dick in the ass' character. He seems like a lovely fella.
@HomercleeseSimpson The fact you don't know his name says everything. You have no context to the show or who these people are (they are real all comedians). You jumped to a conclusion (that these were homophobic characters purely because they asked a candid question of a gay man) so I jumped my own: That you're an idiot.
@bmxracer91 Oh, I can understand. Regardless of who says it or the point being made, my wife cannot be near someone using the N word without wanting to knock their teeth in--even if using that word establishes the ludicrousness of it, a la Boondocks or Dave Chappelle.
This, though, is worth watching from 05:15 on, because the whole point is how flippant and common a term it's become, and he then explains the chilling and vicious beginnings--the disgust was a necessary lead-up to a worthy point.
@sagahod No, Cherokee. But she grew up in St Louis, and heard it all the time. She heard it used by rednecks about black people, and from black people to talk about others. Her first boyfriend in middle school, though, was black , and I think seeing the way that word, used in a personal and insulting manner, affected him, and just decided she was never going to be okay with it. She doesn't abide the word used in this vid either, or any other racial/sexual/religions slur. Overall, not a bad rule.
"I don't know, and I've actually read things online where people are saying that's not accurate. I don't think it matters. this scene is about a guy who believes that to be the true origin of the word, and it's about his feelings about it and what impact it has on me.
If it's not the real explanation of the word faggot, I don't think it matters. The point of the scene isn't to be accurate. It's not a news show. It's an exchange between characters"
It's funny how straight guys act as though group sex is such an evil and perverted thing, but if they were offered the chance to fingerbang a room full of women for free I bet they'd run over their own mother to get there.
i love this show...its not what i expected at all because every new show is basically cookie cutter, and louis ck isnt afraid of speaking his mind and bringing hard to swallow ( no pun intended ) subjects like homosexuality into a comedy show. I watched this scene with my friends high and we were all blown away....there was a silence in the room and i dont think either of us will use the for faggot again.
I love Louis CK but I wasn't sure how much I'd love his show. When I saw this scene I knew it was my kind of show - it's the perfect balance of smart, funny, and thoughtful, it's honest but not preachy. If there were more shows like this on TV I'd pay for cable again
I'm not defending the use of "faggot" (which I'm quoting here because we all just heard it). But the etymology given in this video is complete bullshit, an urban legend. Yes, men were burned alive as punishment for having sex with other men. But there's no evidence of a connection between that and the use of "faggot" as a slur.
And for fuck's sake, no one should need a false etymology to convince them not to demean gay people.
I wonder how much based in reality this conversation was. If it isn't wholly a figment of imagination and something like this occurred, it is a shining example of how we can be different and still find space to be kind to one another. Think hat would the world be like if we could all learn to respect and accept each other long enough to have an honest and open conversation about the things we don't understand like this. Kudos to Loius CK for a shining example of evolved thinking.
I love louie, becaus ehe has the vocabulary and articulate speaking of a really sophisticated guy, but he has the anger and dirty mind of a poor trashy guy.
See, I enjoy the funny aspects here and there. But when they talk about more serious subjects, very realistically, but still a hint of jokes to keep the "lightness" up, is when it really shines. Kind of like David Sedaris's work. The second half of this scene is simply incredible. Also, the episode when Louie's friend tells him he going to commit suicide. Some of the best writing I've ever seen.
Man! I know I've commented already, but I cannot say enough how F**KIN funny this is! Especially when Louie sarcastically interprets what Nick means by "no room for a card in dudes mothers ass from too many d**ks". When he says "Wait, I'm not finished", I lose it every time!
Kind of annoying that he makes it seem like its totally normal for gay guys to go and jerk each other off in a room and have orgies. That'd be cool if TV showed a gay guy that had normal relationships like me and all of my gay friends.
@Cryan32789 Its not making it seem totally normal. This is just a view into one conversation between a bunch of friends/comedians. They're talking about some guy's mother sucking disembodied dicks.
@MrG0dbar , maybe I was mistaken, but when Rick was asked about "Jerks" he seemed pretty blase about the whole thing and almost offended when the other guys though his club was weird.. in turn, making it seem like this kind of activity is not out of the ordinary for a gay guy to participate in. Also, they are obviously joking when they talk about all the dicks in the guy's mom. I like this show too, that's why it's annoying to see it perpetuate stereotypes like the rest of TV.
@Cryan32789 This is just about the most normal gay guy I've ever seen on tv. He is gay in real life, and the "club" they talk about actually did exist. This whole conversation was based on a real life one the two of them had.
@Epidemic017 Hah yeah that is exactly my point. This is just about the most normal gay guy I've seen on TV, yet he still has to talk about/be a part of a jacking off club, which I wholly believe exists in real life. The fact that he is actually gay in real life doesn't really matter. If some straight dude talked about a fetish he had i wouldn't say it's normal just because "he's straight in real life."
OH....MY...GOD!!!!! That was THE FUNNIEST 7 MINUTES OF DIALOG EVER WRITTEN!!! As a matter of fact, HOW DO YOU EVEN WRITE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? FUCKING BRILLIANT!!!!
Probably a stupid question but, have you had a chance to catch the actual show on FX? Even the episodes that aren't as funny still have some pretty amazing dark scenes that leave ya saying "What the HELL just happened"? IE; Episode where he's apartment hunting. While looking out a window sees some government looking types swap out one homeless guy with another they had in there car! Genius, pure GENIUS!
I watched the show the first time, and sometimes it's really not funny but it's still seriously good.
It can be deep and that.
Did you see the episode where he's on the subway, and there's some weird brown puddle on the seat, and he soaks it up with his jacket, and all the people look at him like he just did some great thing?
That scene was like what the hell, but it was awesome.
I appreciate how the guy who brings up the topic of gay sex is the same guy who decries it as disgusting and wants to shut the conversation down. It rings true.
This is by far one of my favorite scenes of all time. diffidently good work by Louie, this is why you know the show as full giant potential , hopefully they can do more of this for the full 30mins :)
I really loved and admired that they shined on that word. I think it really puts things in perspective, especially for a lot of straight guys with gay friends and it still managed to be lighthearted enough to be laughed about. it's beautiful.
I was like... shellshocked after this scene. Because this is the first show I've ever seen that was able to give me "gasping-for-air laughs" and then instantly go into really uncomfortable "fuck-this-is-serious" moments.
I love this, but the origin given for the use of "faggot" as a homophobic slur is incorrect. the Online Etymology Dictyionary has more on the subject.
You're all faggot cunt nigger deers for arguing on YouTube.
antonio610 3 days ago
Wow, I actually learned something from this video! Much more insightful than I thought it would be.
eccovictor 1 week ago
I find the origin of the word "faggot" becoming a slanderous term fascinating. To all the homophobes (at battle with their own gay tendencies) if nothing else, you should appreciate learning something. But that's the problem, you don't want to learn. Growth means change.
I used to live in a small town and have "FAGGOT" shouted at me every day (oddly I'd be holding hands with a beautiful girl) and it fucking sucked. So I have nothing but empathy for victims of peoples ignorance turned violent.
ryanranger 1 week ago
you jerk him! you jerk him! Break!
TChosenwun23 1 week ago
Wow! That was deep...
clruwe 1 week ago
Great scene, but homosexuals weren't burned, at least not systematically, so that's not where the word comes from. It derives from an insult aimed at old women.
mikeyholding 2 weeks ago
@mikeyholding What's your source? I agree that gays could not have been systematically burned. But I could see them becoming random kindling found out. Look what they did to women. I love the show. When I heard that I was blown away being very into the origin of things. So I wanted to see what people were saying about this scene. If what he's saying isn't correct I will be disappointed, but, will probably tell this story anyway. Because if it makes people think, to me, that's the real point.
ryanranger 1 week ago
dick diamond
OoStevieboyoO 3 weeks ago
If I use the word faggot with my friends etc. and refrain from using it around homosexuals (keep in mind when I use the word faggot with friends, in my head I'm not thinking of the term as disparaging toward gay people, just as a jokey banter thing) would you--the homosexuals--think I'm a bad person? Even though I never use it around you guys because I know the word CAN have a particular meaning and affect to particular people? Same question for the word Nigger.
LuckyJack1289 3 weeks ago
@LuckyJack1289 I wouldn't think you're a bad person. I'd tell you to stop doing that because it contributes to a lot of unhealthy things in our society, but I wouldn't think you're a bad person.
BreakOutTheLobsters 3 weeks ago
this is truly impressive.
iPriestHolmes 1 month ago
They should have got Patrice on this bit...
haribo687 1 month ago
This is great and it showcases my problem with asshole organizations like GLAAD. According to them. Any reference a COMEDIAN MAKES to a gay or lesbian that is not complimentary is regarded as hate speech when in reality it's just having fun. If you want acceptance, if you want integration that means you have to be able to make fun of yourself and allow others to make fun of you. Everyone can be made fun of and screwed with, if you want different treatment people will treat you differently.
amayagab 1 month ago
@amayagab Wow dude. Way to miss the point entirely.
If a word has been used as a slur against a particular group for years upon years, it is NOT OKAY to pretend that word is now entirely neutral. You don't get to reclaim that shit; WE DO. It's a word that has a long, awful history among us, a word that's been repeated at us all our lives in order to dehumanize and humiliate us.
BreakOutTheLobsters 3 weeks ago
@BreakOutTheLobsters no, YOU do not, because as long as you think of yourself as separate from anybody, you give them right to do the same. WE are all the same, just as as we're all different. some people are going to be ignorant and hateful. it's up to the rest of us to be better...even if it means taking inhuman amounts of abuse and loving people anyway.
xsnokex 3 weeks ago
@xsnokex What.
What does that.
WHAT.
We're talking about the reclamation of words used to abuse and harm other people here, and who has the right to do that. I fail to see how asking people to not be dicks and hurt their fellow men because they like a certain swear word makes me as bad as them.
Also, *headdesk*
*headdesk*
*headdesk*
We are all EQUAL as humans. We are not all the SAME. Recognizing that is important as Hell when it comes to social justice.
BreakOutTheLobsters 3 weeks ago
@amayagab Straight cis people who haven't experienced that kind of discrimination once in their lives need to check their privilege and learn to shut the fuck up and show some respect to their fellow man. When LGBTQ people aren't second-class citizens with insanely high suicide rates at young ages and a long history of oppression, THEN maybe we'll talk.
BreakOutTheLobsters 3 weeks ago
@amayagab tl;dr: Cultural context: It's a thing. You can't just erase years upon years of injustice and decide that EVERYTHING'S EQUAL NOW LET'S BREAK OUT THE SLURS.
Because you're not seeking equality. You just want an excuse to shout "faggot". You piece of shit.
BreakOutTheLobsters 3 weeks ago
@BreakOutTheLobsters You're right, you cannot erase years of injustice, what you can do is move on from them and not let it bother you or try to get someone fired when they use word you find bothersome.
amayagab 3 weeks ago
@amayagab Actually, not everyone CAN, because believe it or not a lot of us have to deal with really severe trauma related to homophobia and transphobia. (Faggot isn't an anti-trans word, but many people don't have any idea what transgenderism actually is, so it applies.)
It is not okay to pretend that the word no longer has any negative connotations. Period. If it's that distressing to people you should modify your language and not be a dick, because there are PLENTY of words to replace it.
BreakOutTheLobsters 3 weeks ago
@BreakOutTheLobsters Nobody should modify their speech for anyone. The constitution protects my right to not have my speech altered in any way, it does not protect your right not to have your feelings hurt.
amayagab 3 weeks ago
@amayagab No, but we're not talking about the Constitution; we're talking about being a functioning, decent human being with respect for other human beings. If that's too hard for you, well, I'm sorry.
(FYI: Freedom of speech is not, and never has been, freedom from criticism.)
BreakOutTheLobsters 3 weeks ago
@BreakOutTheLobsters When have you ever heard of comedians being decent and having respect for others? The only one I can think of is Brian Regan. Appart from that, I can't think of any truly talented comedian in the last 15 years that hasn't crafted very offensive and deplorable content into humour.
amayagab 3 weeks ago
@amayagab >implying comedians' stage personae are the same as their real life personae
>implying that comedians' stage personae should be emulated
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BreakOutTheLobsters 3 weeks ago
@BreakOutTheLobsters I never said that comedy routines should represent real life behaviour, I'm saying that we should be alowed to say what we want, ESPECIALY if you are a comedian without the fear of being fired or having your livelyhood destroyed.
amayagab 3 weeks ago
@amayagab Comedians can say whatever the fuck they want. I thought Louis's speech was HILARIOUS; I just didn't think anyone was dumb enough to take it seriously. It's an entirely different matter when you're in a social situation where people don't know that they're in a safe space and you throw that word around.
Shit, it goes without saying that using "faggot" as a synonym for "idiot" has a silent message of "gay = bad" so how, may I ask, can you even begin to defend that?
BreakOutTheLobsters 3 weeks ago
@amayagab But yeah, people should NOT be allowed to say whatever they want without fear of retribution. Words are NEVER just words; words can harm, and words can kill. If I called a black coworker a nigger or used "nigger" to describe some (white) idiot because "niggers = bad" I would be in hot water SO fast. And I would DESERVE it.
BreakOutTheLobsters 3 weeks ago
@amayagab General rule of thumb: Your right to swing your fist ends where another person's nose begins.
BreakOutTheLobsters 3 weeks ago
@BreakOutTheLobsters That's a very cute saying and in the spirit of cooperating with nonsense I will pretend that physical harm is comparable to words that only bother those who allow words to bother them. If saying mean things inflicted physical harm, I call you a fag and you have a cut on your face, then you are absolutely right. But it does not work that way. In this case, you can have the fist swung directly in our face and have it pass right through your head.
amayagab 3 weeks ago
@amayagab No. I'm not REALLY going to have to explain what a metaphor is, am I?
I mean.
REALLY?
BreakOutTheLobsters 3 weeks ago
@BreakOutTheLobsters I know what they are and I also know why most of them are unaplicable and complete garbage to the point their users are trying to convey, like you just did.
amayagab 3 weeks ago
@amayagab I'm sorry, how is "Your freedom to be a complete jackass only exists as long as you don't dick around with other people in the process" not applicable here?
BreakOutTheLobsters 3 weeks ago
@BreakOutTheLobsters Because you CAN dick around with anyone you want. You cant physically hurt them but you can fuck with them all you want. They, on the other hand, can choose to be dicked around and offended or leave the situation without acknowledging it. What they cannot do is threaten to have them fired, force them to apologise and fuck with their livelihood.
amayagab 3 weeks ago
@amayagab Oh okay. So you think it's the victim's fault as long as they don't get physically attacked, in other words, because of course verbal and emotional abuse have no effects and cannot be traumatic ever.
Nice, buddy.
BreakOutTheLobsters 3 weeks ago
@amayagab I'm guessing you've never been on the receiving end of any serious kind of abuse, dude, or you'd actually have some idea of what it's like. It's not as simple as flicking an "I don't give a fuck" switch.
BreakOutTheLobsters 3 weeks ago
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ryanranger 1 week ago
@BreakOutTheLobsters that's a calm rational response that I appreciate not because of wit, but sincerity. People are always trying to outwit each other. Speaking from a real place inside yourself is far more effective. But unfortunately when one opens themselves up enough to speak from the heart they reveal themselves and become vulnerable. Vulnerable to assholes on fucking youtube that are so miserable they actually come here just to make waves. Their lives suck that much. Yours doesn't have to
ryanranger 1 week ago
@amayagab I like how you turned that around, though. Poor little underprivileged straight cis male, getting brought down by the mean ole gays just 'cause he's showing no respect for them as human beings. D:
BreakOutTheLobsters 3 weeks ago
@BreakOutTheLobsters In no way does anything said in this video, or 99% of things told by entertainers as a joke counts as abuse.
amayagab 3 weeks ago
@amayagab And we're missing the point yet again. Throwing around a slur in a way that devalues and dehumanizes other people is NOT okay, and if you know that you're doing it right in front of a person who has very good reasons for being upset by it and do it anyway, that's incredibly selfish at best and abusive at worst. You're assuming that just because YOU don't have a problem with it, it must be fine.
BreakOutTheLobsters 2 weeks ago
@BreakOutTheLobsters Alright. I tried to make it coherent and understandable but I'm just not that kind of person and I cant keep talking this politely so let me just be blunt. It IS okay for me or anyone to say anything you want because I don't care that t hurts you. I don't care that you are offended. That's YOUR problem, not mine.
amayagab 2 weeks ago
@amayagab "I'm a selfish dick and the minor happiness brought on by me getting to do whatever I want is way more important than how the people around me might feel."
'Kay bro.
BreakOutTheLobsters 2 weeks ago
The argument by @amayagab and @BreakOutTheLobsters is really good stuff. I see both sides of their arguments Had this same argument the other day. I won't say what side I am on bc I don't want to be bias but I will say that I think both of u took something completely different from this video. U all have different perspectives on the situation that don't allow to understand the others.
TChosenwun23 1 week ago
@BreakOutTheLobsters I would like to throw in that while people sometimes say things so stupid you have to react. You don't need to become offended because it is THEMSELVES making themselves look that way. Which is uneducated, full of fear and possible homosexuals themselves. BUT, unfortunately, they have the right to be an ass. But you also reserve the right to tell them to put a plastic bag over their head and breath until they collapse and the world becomes a better place ;)
ryanranger 1 week ago
@ryanranger Not to be a dick about this, but nobody every chooses to become offended. It just happens.
What we CHOOSE to do is how to DEAL with our emotions. I happen to choose to do it by debating and deconstructing shitty arguments.
:D
BreakOutTheLobsters 5 days ago
I want this video on my G7000 unit.
gordoncraig410 1 month ago
so powerful......and yet it was still truly funny.
LMLR187 1 month ago 2
THis could be one of the best intro in a tv-show ever!
GollumSupernova 1 month ago
Real Talk
invaderXC 1 month ago
I fucking love this scene!
WelcomeGhostsIV 1 month ago
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dustykeller924 1 month ago
This is the scene that made this my favorite show on television. This is what comedy is. It's a way to speak to each other about the things we'd otherwise be fighting over.
TheBSG 2 months ago 23
epic ending
rolanthas 2 months ago
whose in this?
TheIndycolts123 2 months ago
lil jimmys squinty eyes are enraging.
turtledoveshit 2 months ago
I remember this scene, it was wack!
halifaxx55 2 months ago
So any reason the music suddenly cuts out? I liked that music.
FatherTime89 2 months ago
Does anyone know who the black comic is?
Redgerandom 2 months ago
@Redgerandom Hannibal Buress, one of the best up and coming comics. He's like a black Mitch Hedberg imo.
countchunkula 2 months ago
@countchunkula that's a perfect way to describe him
dylanlenn 2 months ago
@Redgerandom hannibal buress
johnmac4eva 1 month ago
love you louis
TheRealDJLO 2 months ago
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Fags are so gross.
mrjjking77 2 months ago
Great scene. Funny, poignant, but not too preachy.
SiriusMined 2 months ago in playlist More videos from louisck
nobody is funnier that nick diPaolo
mondaywar 2 months ago 2
lol at jimmys little blinking problem haha
mondaywar 2 months ago
0:19 Jimmy's so cute :)
timmni 3 months ago
I loved the part where he mentioned the usage of the word dredging up a nasty history, and then the camera focuses on the other guy on that table who could probably relate.
mistervader 3 months ago 2
"Why don't you shut up?
"I don't want to."
Subtle anti-insult.
Zolio6 3 months ago 3
the thing that annoys me about this is that every man at that table ALREADY KNOWS how faggot is used to bully people. They went to high school, right? But they pretend to be learning some lesson from the token gay friend as if his experiences happened on a different planet than the one they've been living on.
moremi123 3 months ago
@moremi123 @moremi123 I don't think the point of the video was to understand that the word is insulting. I think it showed an interesting interaction...Most of time time it's 6 to 7 straight men together using the word without care. With a gay man in the mix it becomes different, and people act differently and choose different words. I like how Louis CK picked his brain about how it felt rather than change the way he speaks or hide his real personality. Hilarious and interesting exchange!
JustinOSU99 2 months ago
@moremi123 The token bigot response to this would be "SO WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY WORDS JUST BECAUSE THEY HURT SOMEONE'S FEELINGS?!", which I always find funny because it's so absurd. No one ever mentions making words illegal; it's just that using them (in a particular context or in public), despite knowing how it affects others, makes you a piece of shit.
BenkaiDebussy 2 months ago 22
That's astonishingly good
Liquidator81 3 months ago
This show is either incredibly boring and stupid, or brilliant past what some people can see.
YoungGrasshopper08 3 months ago
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I liked the part about the origins of the phrase "flaming fag". Never knew that.
milksteak74 3 months ago
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milksteak74 3 months ago
Whether the etymology is or is not correct is not the point. This vignette is brilliant regardless for taking the time to make viewers think about so casually using a word that has been used towards gay men while they are being bullied, beaten up, or killed. Sure there a couple things that could have been tweaked to make this more effective but as a part of a comedy show, this is a brilliant piece of art.
dspippy 3 months ago
While it obviously does so conciously and with an allusion towards promoting understanding of sexual descrimination It comes across as crass and ignorant layered over genuinely hateful sentiments. The highlights of this are the 'mother' joke and it's deliberate explanation and the final 'thanks faggot' comment.
Maybe I just need to see more of this in the proper context but in 7 minutes all this managed to convey was tasteless and age-old homphobic and biggotted attitudes.
HomercleeseSimpson 3 months ago
@HomercleeseSimpson Wow you're an idiot.
zofspade 2 months ago
@zofspade fantastic argument boss.
HomercleeseSimpson 2 months ago
@HomercleeseSimpson A statement. Not an argument. If you actually think this scene is homophobic, then you can't be argued with.
zofspade 2 months ago
@zofspade Right yeah, I forgot that this was happening in youtube comments, I should've expected any replies to jump straight to insults. You'd probably be a good replacement for the 'dick in the ass' character. He seems like a lovely fella.
HomercleeseSimpson 2 months ago
@HomercleeseSimpson The fact you don't know his name says everything. You have no context to the show or who these people are (they are real all comedians). You jumped to a conclusion (that these were homophobic characters purely because they asked a candid question of a gay man) so I jumped my own: That you're an idiot.
zofspade 2 months ago 4
I love this show but this scene the acting is so wooden
purplenurps 4 months ago
This is the best teaching moment on TV I've ever seen.
hisprincecharming 4 months ago 5
brilliant ! *obama-not-bad*
TubeofDestiny 4 months ago
What is FX? Which country?
Zxenmusic 4 months ago
This isn't scripted...right? It's too honest to be scripted.
ThaPremiere1 4 months ago
Genius.
codewordsecret 4 months ago
I could only handle 5 minutes of this
bmxracer91 4 months ago
@bmxracer91 you realize the whole point of the thing, and the part that makes you stop and think, happens at about 5:17, right?
senselocke 4 months ago
@senselocke yeah, but it was disgusting, thats why i had to stop
bmxracer91 4 months ago
@bmxracer91 Oh, I can understand. Regardless of who says it or the point being made, my wife cannot be near someone using the N word without wanting to knock their teeth in--even if using that word establishes the ludicrousness of it, a la Boondocks or Dave Chappelle.
This, though, is worth watching from 05:15 on, because the whole point is how flippant and common a term it's become, and he then explains the chilling and vicious beginnings--the disgust was a necessary lead-up to a worthy point.
senselocke 4 months ago 3
@senselocke This might be an odd question to ask, but is your wife black?
sagahod 3 months ago
@sagahod No, Cherokee. But she grew up in St Louis, and heard it all the time. She heard it used by rednecks about black people, and from black people to talk about others. Her first boyfriend in middle school, though, was black , and I think seeing the way that word, used in a personal and insulting manner, affected him, and just decided she was never going to be okay with it. She doesn't abide the word used in this vid either, or any other racial/sexual/religions slur. Overall, not a bad rule.
senselocke 3 months ago
@bmxracer91 you are weak...how do you manage when u have a real problem in your ife?
gabsylv 4 months ago
Awkwaaard
nikoincroatia 4 months ago
I find it sweet how Nick doesn't wince at the end when he kisses him on the forehead. Brilliant scene.
thegov08 4 months ago
That black guy sounds so lazy and funny. Who is he?
thegov08 4 months ago
@thegov08 Hannibal Buress.
Superstarseven 4 months ago
Love this scene
WelcomeGhostsIV 5 months ago
I love how this show can be crazy funny but still have it's heartfelt moments
SantanaScripts 5 months ago
does anyone else think this video is hilarious and extremely insightful too? These little clips feel so real.
boatofcoins 5 months ago 6
Ok thanks faggot, we'll keep that in mind.
kMC303 5 months ago
"I don't know, and I've actually read things online where people are saying that's not accurate. I don't think it matters. this scene is about a guy who believes that to be the true origin of the word, and it's about his feelings about it and what impact it has on me.
If it's not the real explanation of the word faggot, I don't think it matters. The point of the scene isn't to be accurate. It's not a news show. It's an exchange between characters"
That's from an interview that aired on NPR.
Superstarseven 5 months ago 59
0:09 the lawyer from Chappelle shows "law and order" sketch
sondanielshah 5 months ago
Nick HAD to be the person to fire off that last joke. Perfect scene.
sichuevos 5 months ago 7
I really like how its both serious and hilarious at the same time.
mavrick45 5 months ago 45
I want to sit on that table.
atemlos2585 5 months ago 3
@atemlos2585 On that table or at that table? I'm pretty sure those guys would be like "Who the fuck is this guy on our table?".
StackCityEntOfficial 5 months ago
Best show on television.
pointofinfo 5 months ago 4
It's funny how straight guys act as though group sex is such an evil and perverted thing, but if they were offered the chance to fingerbang a room full of women for free I bet they'd run over their own mother to get there.
Woolfrey 5 months ago
i love this show...its not what i expected at all because every new show is basically cookie cutter, and louis ck isnt afraid of speaking his mind and bringing hard to swallow ( no pun intended ) subjects like homosexuality into a comedy show. I watched this scene with my friends high and we were all blown away....there was a silence in the room and i dont think either of us will use the for faggot again.
bxeggy 5 months ago
@bxeggy you just did...
redwolf2k 5 months ago
@redwolf2k well as a true louie ck fan, see his skit on the word nigger and you'll understand.
bxeggy 5 months ago
I love Louis CK but I wasn't sure how much I'd love his show. When I saw this scene I knew it was my kind of show - it's the perfect balance of smart, funny, and thoughtful, it's honest but not preachy. If there were more shows like this on TV I'd pay for cable again
karaterobot 6 months ago
I'm not defending the use of "faggot" (which I'm quoting here because we all just heard it). But the etymology given in this video is complete bullshit, an urban legend. Yes, men were burned alive as punishment for having sex with other men. But there's no evidence of a connection between that and the use of "faggot" as a slur.
And for fuck's sake, no one should need a false etymology to convince them not to demean gay people.
anemone9 6 months ago
@anemone9
I agree. I love this show but sometimes the way he delivers certain messages bothers me.
psychopomp88 6 months ago
I wonder how much based in reality this conversation was. If it isn't wholly a figment of imagination and something like this occurred, it is a shining example of how we can be different and still find space to be kind to one another. Think hat would the world be like if we could all learn to respect and accept each other long enough to have an honest and open conversation about the things we don't understand like this. Kudos to Loius CK for a shining example of evolved thinking.
UpRoaryus 6 months ago
"I thought masterbation meant only one person" i was ROTFL
Sappa9702 6 months ago
OK, I know Louie, Nick Dipaolo, Hannibal Burress, and Jim Norton.
Who are the other 2 guys?
heatbucspies55 6 months ago
Eddie Brill and Rick Crom
Bandre0114 6 months ago
This scene was amusing until it became a 'oxygen' channel drama.
Shargrailar 6 months ago
This is one of the best series I've seen in a very long time.
donmt1961 6 months ago
Good of Gene Hackman there to make a cameo.
MickeyD100 6 months ago
I love louie, becaus ehe has the vocabulary and articulate speaking of a really sophisticated guy, but he has the anger and dirty mind of a poor trashy guy.
And it's hilarious.
heatbucspies55 6 months ago
dumb. It always makes it less funny when they show others laughing at their jokes
Camus286 6 months ago
See, I enjoy the funny aspects here and there. But when they talk about more serious subjects, very realistically, but still a hint of jokes to keep the "lightness" up, is when it really shines. Kind of like David Sedaris's work. The second half of this scene is simply incredible. Also, the episode when Louie's friend tells him he going to commit suicide. Some of the best writing I've ever seen.
Heifsin85 6 months ago 4
Man! I know I've commented already, but I cannot say enough how F**KIN funny this is! Especially when Louie sarcastically interprets what Nick means by "no room for a card in dudes mothers ass from too many d**ks". When he says "Wait, I'm not finished", I lose it every time!
Badabing2271 6 months ago
I believe the episode that scene came from was nominated for an Emmy this year.
CynicTheInfotainer 6 months ago
Kind of annoying that he makes it seem like its totally normal for gay guys to go and jerk each other off in a room and have orgies. That'd be cool if TV showed a gay guy that had normal relationships like me and all of my gay friends.
Cryan32789 6 months ago
@Cryan32789 Its not making it seem totally normal. This is just a view into one conversation between a bunch of friends/comedians. They're talking about some guy's mother sucking disembodied dicks.
MrG0dbar 6 months ago
@MrG0dbar , maybe I was mistaken, but when Rick was asked about "Jerks" he seemed pretty blase about the whole thing and almost offended when the other guys though his club was weird.. in turn, making it seem like this kind of activity is not out of the ordinary for a gay guy to participate in. Also, they are obviously joking when they talk about all the dicks in the guy's mom. I like this show too, that's why it's annoying to see it perpetuate stereotypes like the rest of TV.
Cryan32789 6 months ago
@Cryan32789 This is just about the most normal gay guy I've ever seen on tv. He is gay in real life, and the "club" they talk about actually did exist. This whole conversation was based on a real life one the two of them had.
Epidemic017 6 months ago
@Epidemic017 Hah yeah that is exactly my point. This is just about the most normal gay guy I've seen on TV, yet he still has to talk about/be a part of a jacking off club, which I wholly believe exists in real life. The fact that he is actually gay in real life doesn't really matter. If some straight dude talked about a fetish he had i wouldn't say it's normal just because "he's straight in real life."
Cryan32789 6 months ago
Whatever you do, don't let Colin Quinn on your show. If you do, the show will immediately get cancelled.
gravytrain84 7 months ago 46
@gravytrain84
LOL!!! IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE IT'S TRUE!!!!!
Badabing2271 6 months ago
OH....MY...GOD!!!!! That was THE FUNNIEST 7 MINUTES OF DIALOG EVER WRITTEN!!! As a matter of fact, HOW DO YOU EVEN WRITE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? FUCKING BRILLIANT!!!!
Badabing2271 7 months ago
@Badabing2271
I actually can't believe how funny this is.
heatbucspies55 6 months ago
@heatbucspies55
Probably a stupid question but, have you had a chance to catch the actual show on FX? Even the episodes that aren't as funny still have some pretty amazing dark scenes that leave ya saying "What the HELL just happened"? IE; Episode where he's apartment hunting. While looking out a window sees some government looking types swap out one homeless guy with another they had in there car! Genius, pure GENIUS!
Badabing2271 6 months ago
@Badabing2271
I thought that exact same thing.
I watched the show the first time, and sometimes it's really not funny but it's still seriously good.
It can be deep and that.
Did you see the episode where he's on the subway, and there's some weird brown puddle on the seat, and he soaks it up with his jacket, and all the people look at him like he just did some great thing?
That scene was like what the hell, but it was awesome.
heatbucspies55 6 months ago
"Florshiem has some stuff..."
CitySkin09 7 months ago
I appreciate how the guy who brings up the topic of gay sex is the same guy who decries it as disgusting and wants to shut the conversation down. It rings true.
cafm21 7 months ago 63
@KreativeFilmz Well...in my opinion, it's not meant to be taken seriously. I wouldn't get too upset about it.
Grayhawk33 7 months ago
@KreativeFilmz debunked? It's not a fucking BBC historical documentary...it's a comedy show.
Grayhawk33 7 months ago
"Quote having nothing to do with the video"
couturebabex33 7 months ago
fucking dutch rudder convention
lilice1907 7 months ago
This is by far one of my favorite scenes of all time. diffidently good work by Louie, this is why you know the show as full giant potential , hopefully they can do more of this for the full 30mins :)
gmaster999 7 months ago in playlist louis ck
WOW, what a great show....
NAEEM718 7 months ago
I really loved and admired that they shined on that word. I think it really puts things in perspective, especially for a lot of straight guys with gay friends and it still managed to be lighthearted enough to be laughed about. it's beautiful.
SoraNeko 7 months ago 2
This will get somebody's award...it's just too genuine to go unrecognized.
shindean 8 months ago 8
I was like... shellshocked after this scene. Because this is the first show I've ever seen that was able to give me "gasping-for-air laughs" and then instantly go into really uncomfortable "fuck-this-is-serious" moments.
lagore144 8 months ago in playlist LOUIS CK 7
@lagore144 as with the best comedy...
28g34ajbsd 8 months ago
Friendship among men is the strongest relationship after family relatiosnips!
Its not powered by blood but dear God.....its damn near!
Friendship between women.....now thats where you get mind fucked!
LinkSoul2 8 months ago
WHO ARE THESE GUYS? THEY ARE AMAZIINGGG!
dubey666manu 8 months ago 3
That was amazing.
enaksound 8 months ago
Excellent scene. Funny but with heart.
uptightkid 8 months ago
FAG!
alihosseini1175 8 months ago
that douche is annoying
wokzilla 8 months ago
i don't know I don't talk to her everyday.
BRILLIANT!!!! This whole scene is brilliant.
watervillegangmember 8 months ago 2
thanks faggot
lol
revisisland96 1 year ago
thrown away penises behind the bus shack
asspiss400 1 year ago 2
this show's awesome! this is all scripted, but sounds just like improv. Fucking a man great job
biofire 1 year ago
Who's the gay guy in this? I've seen him before but idk who he is....he's really good. Amazing scene.
YeahYeahYuhBoy 1 year ago
@YeahYeahYuhBoy Rick Crom
Margammill 1 year ago
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Margammill 1 year ago
This is so brilliant on a level I can identify myself with, I laugh everytime they laugh. I never laugh at videos...
JackCarver10 1 year ago
I love this, but the origin given for the use of "faggot" as a homophobic slur is incorrect. the Online Etymology Dictyionary has more on the subject.
SuperSimonScott 1 year ago 2