Imitating other musicians is even more difficult than imitating oneself after one has played a real good solo. (Only Johnny Guarnieri and few others could.) 40 years ago I thought I could imitate Kid Ory as my trombone technique was better than his. The result. as heard on tape, was disheartening. Imitating somebody else`s solo is like imitating yesterday`s sex. It`s no point. You just HAVE TO add something new. This "Virginia" is like a rest of canned soup warmed up for the 4th or 5th time.
Generally am inclined to avoid other performers' versions of certain tunes I've always associated with Bix Beiderbecke: for instance - I'm Coming Virginia, Singin' The Blues, Royal Garden lues....Comparisons are almost inevitable and I don't like to make them.
That is interesting because along a similar line I read once that Louis Armstrong wouldn't play or record Singin' The Blues. I think I also read that Eddie Condon said the recording of I'm Coming Virginia was closer to Bix that he heard than Singin' The Blues. Can anyone verify? When a musician today tries to play like or imitate Bix some find those musicians far short and won't listen to them. But since I can't hear Bix live I would like to hear someone who is close that I can hear in person.
So in the 1980's when I knew Paul Mertz and talked to him he told me that Tom Pletcher sounded closer to Bix's tone and the way Bix played than anyone else he had heard. I respected Paul Mertz's opinion because he was in the Goldkette band with Bix and heard him so many times. Mertz was also the pianist on the Bix Rhythm Jugglers session. I was able to hear Tom Pletcher with the Son's Of Bix at the Los Angeles Classic Jazz Festival in 1983. Judging by listening to Bix on records for 50 years...
@jazzgirl1920s I read the same thing about Louis who probably did not believe that "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". And I agree with Louis. I would like to know how it flatters a jazz musician to imitate him. And Bix said you can't play the same thing the same way twice--Bix's Law should be observed.
Yes, but when I tried to view the video at santopec's page of this recording I couldn't see it because got I the message "This video is private." I subscribed to his videos and I still couldn't see it because of that "this video is private message."
Imitating other musicians is even more difficult than imitating oneself after one has played a real good solo. (Only Johnny Guarnieri and few others could.) 40 years ago I thought I could imitate Kid Ory as my trombone technique was better than his. The result. as heard on tape, was disheartening. Imitating somebody else`s solo is like imitating yesterday`s sex. It`s no point. You just HAVE TO add something new. This "Virginia" is like a rest of canned soup warmed up for the 4th or 5th time.
MrJimmienoone 1 year ago
I understand and respect your point of view.
But there are more aspects to also take into account!
To give a few:
You can see this music as "classical" music and a tribute to the old masters.
It's very satisfying to play this musical milestones yourself, surrounded by musical friends with the same passion.
The acquaintance and concentration on a specific style is very instructive for the musical and technical development of an instrumentalist.
santopec 11 months ago
Bix Biederbecke Volume 1: Singin the Blues is available at Amazon for as little as 6.99 new. The album contains this song and so many others
GeminiNightOwl 2 years ago
Does anyone know where this recording can be found on CD?
brutusbrutilda 2 years ago
Generally am inclined to avoid other performers' versions of certain tunes I've always associated with Bix Beiderbecke: for instance - I'm Coming Virginia, Singin' The Blues, Royal Garden lues....Comparisons are almost inevitable and I don't like to make them.
That said, I did enjoy hearing this.
lt059 3 years ago
That is interesting because along a similar line I read once that Louis Armstrong wouldn't play or record Singin' The Blues. I think I also read that Eddie Condon said the recording of I'm Coming Virginia was closer to Bix that he heard than Singin' The Blues. Can anyone verify? When a musician today tries to play like or imitate Bix some find those musicians far short and won't listen to them. But since I can't hear Bix live I would like to hear someone who is close that I can hear in person.
jazzgirl1920s 3 years ago
So in the 1980's when I knew Paul Mertz and talked to him he told me that Tom Pletcher sounded closer to Bix's tone and the way Bix played than anyone else he had heard. I respected Paul Mertz's opinion because he was in the Goldkette band with Bix and heard him so many times. Mertz was also the pianist on the Bix Rhythm Jugglers session. I was able to hear Tom Pletcher with the Son's Of Bix at the Los Angeles Classic Jazz Festival in 1983. Judging by listening to Bix on records for 50 years...
jazzgirl1920s 3 years ago
I thought Tom Pletcher sounded remarkably close. But Paul Mertz had the advantage of hearing Bix in person and playing in a band Bix was in.
jazzgirl1920s 3 years ago
@jazzgirl1920s I read the same thing about Louis who probably did not believe that "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". And I agree with Louis. I would like to know how it flatters a jazz musician to imitate him. And Bix said you can't play the same thing the same way twice--Bix's Law should be observed.
punchsboy 2 years ago
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santopec 3 years ago
Of course you do and thanks for the explanation. I really like the videos on your page.
jazzgirl1920s 3 years ago
Yes, but when I tried to view the video at santopec's page of this recording I couldn't see it because got I the message "This video is private." I subscribed to his videos and I still couldn't see it because of that "this video is private message."
jazzgirl1920s 3 years ago
One of the musicians did not agree with this particulair video in the public domain, so.....!
I've have to respect that.
santopec 3 years ago
Santopec has this orchestra on video.
heinbanjo12 3 years ago