Atheist Church Nov 15, 2009 Pornography

[shinokiba]

I AM 19, I AM A MAN, AND I LOVE PORN.

[TheMathGuy]

Personally I'm a fan of the amateur porn that people post themselves on places like XTube. They don't really know what they're doing, so they don't realize they're supposed to act fake.

[damandels]

And that is why the Bible regards us all as mere vermin due to be totally exterminated in Armageddon round about 2011/5772.

According to the Maya the World will end totally on the 21st December 2012 (which is when their calendar ends) when the Sun expands and burns us all to death.

Typical of the general Roman (catholic) orgy.

And you are just talking pure crap.

Try taking a vow of silence for a change as every word is an invocation.

[sexykatie911]

klfly my msn in profile! Atheist Church Nov 15, 2009 Pornography

[moonlightavenger]

Why, when do some people hear "pornography" they scream "imoral". What´s the conection? imoral would be a rape (in the context of sex, yet): it invades another person's life.

[marianware]

YES! I've never heard it expressed better. You forgot the words "trite", "formulaic", "improbable", and "boring".

[sheppaul]

What is this Bull shit about storyline,what good is fast forward

[Gunsand42]

ya some of those porons like the sandbox are really fucked up

[Oceanus57]

Pornography is one guy explaining to lots of other guys what he thinks is horny in exchange for money, usually using photographs, drawings, writing or film.

[sheppaul]

just saw Julia Sweeney Special...AMAZING!!!. It basically told my story

[worldsworstjukebox]

Where did you see it? I'd like to see it.

[sheppaul]

show time

[worldsworstjukebox]

Is it on YouTube? I've seen clips, but not the entire show. I don't have cable...

[nick95628]

Good video. You didn't touch on the idea that porn stars are just funding a lifestyle of drugs. It may be anecdotal, and there are plenty of doctors, cops, and waiters funding their drug habits with their pay checks.

[SephirothSpirit]

So i guess this whole video is trying to say, Bye bye morals?

Atheism = sucks

[klfly]

@SephirothSpirit Right, because morality isn't about trying to respect each other and looking at the real impact of what we do, it's about sex being dirty and being ashamed of our sex drives and our bodies.

[sheppaul]

sex is only dirty when you do it right

[sheppaul]

I find it hard to believe,A movie with.Hit me beat me , Love me, as the title couldn't have the best intentions,For some guys Porn is about what we aren't getting.The best porn movie I have seen was one called Babylon pink. With Dildo winning actress Vanessa Del Rio. You see Kfly you such had a kid so we know you are scorning. I've been married 30 years.I know I'm not getting any

[nick95628]

When you don't do something because "god will be mad at you" is that really moral. Or is it moral to not do it because you understand the negative results of your actions. You own your actions as a Atheist. By the most traditional standards I am more moral than ever, having no excuses can do that to you. We don't agree with some of our neighbors views, but we still need to live in the community. cheating is about complicating relationships. I am less likely to do it than if it is just #7.

[DoobieDude56]

right on, nick

[TehPirateSquid]

Haaaaa, I love you.

Atheism is epic!

And you're hilarious, hope you get more famous :P

[RadicalWhig]

One word: RODOX.

[TheEddyMetal]

LMAO! "That's the only reason, I swear!"

[FreeThinkingCrusader]

I prefer AMP Animal Midgit Porn, and for you politically correct AVCP

[DaveODrisc]

Good stuff Keith!

The Japanese pixelation thing always struck me as defeating the purpose somewhat.

I wonder if the average Japanese porn fanatic gets turned on watching shows like cops with their tendency to pixilate lawbreakers.......

[popeyroach]

lol very funny and quite true, but i have to say this. you are not bill hicks so do not tell his jokes!

[klfly]

Have you ever seen the Southpark Episode, "Simpons Already Did It"? It's about how hard it is to come up with a concept that the Simpsons hasn't already explored.

Well, the same is true with Mr. Hicks, who I deeply respect and admire. The things I expressed here were my own and I assure you, if I ever knowingly repeat something he said I will give credit, and I have done so in the past.

[popeyroach]

yep indeed i have, and i understand that. hell I couldn't do your job. But having said that I just couldn't let it go unsaid or I'd have been thinking about it all damn night!

keep making video's, imma go look for cuddle porn!

[Itabar]

brilliant.

just brilliant.

[klfly]

Thanks! Nice of you to say. :D

[Xinadium]

YAY PORN.

[Mathenaut]

I'd debate the point that some higher-quality porn is an art. What some of those actresses can do is seriously an art form.

Not that I watch it that much of course, but still.

[Temuldjin]

Porno voice = da pwnage :D

may i add.... JAY PORN! :D

[finallyfreethinking]

I could have gone my entire life without knowing tubgirl existed... wow that is just hard to believe.

[fr3d420]

You think so far out of the box, that I fell out of the box, and now I kinda lost my way... oh , but then I toked my bong, and now Im back on track... Great video brah.

[TireMonster]

Hehe. You said porn. Also, I am definitely going to search for Tubgirl — this is news to me.

[verdugocarlos]

What EVER happened to Cuddling on Porn movies??

[klfly]

How about a genre called Cuddle Porn?

[sambudwiser]

I think he means in like the same scene.

[jcurious]

You posted this because you secretly wanted "recommendations for research"...

Alice in Wonderland: An X-Rated Musical Fantasy (ASIN:B000ZHDBCW). It's a comedy musical porn.

Must be seen to believe. Also I highly recommend Tinto Brass's stuff, though it tends to lean more towards the "soft core" some of his stuff is very explicit.

[klfly]

Ha ha. I am so transparent. And now I am so googling...

[anwyll]

Heh your opening criticism of the difference between porn and advertising reminded me of Bill Hicks

[klfly]

Yeah, a couple of folks have mentioned that. He was pretty amazing. It's hard to say anything that he hasn't already said, that fucker. :D

[otherether]

He's dead; he hasn't said it all. No disrespect to Willie, as I'm a huge fan. I refer to him as my Prophet.

[juliuschas]

In the words of the late, great comedian and presidential candidate Pat Paulsen, "We need a strong policy of censorship, for fear that something might be said."

[klfly]

Yay, Pat Paulsen from the Smothers Brothers show. Great stuff.

[otherether]

A bag of six bagels can conjure sexual thoughts. Some butter, a microwave...anyone see where I'm going with this?

[juliuschas]

The butter brings to mind "Last Tango In Paris." Those were the days! Remember Brando's monologue about "the dying fart of the fucking pig"? Now THAT was art!

[klfly]

Eeek. I rented that movie once on "date night." Didn't get laid that night, or the next.

[morleigh13]

Haha. I specifically read in school that there were secret exhibits in England with pornographic sculptures or paintings kept from the public, because they thought if any low class person saw it, it might inspire them. I think that idea is still around today. We watch it and we're so stupid we'll get "ideas."

[wrongheadedfool]

In my meanderings across the web I've encountered many people whose predilections are much darker than my own. From them I've learned that not all forms of extreme porn are bad per se; some people are mature enough to enjoy macabre, even violent fantasies, but still keep themselves grounded in reality. Provided no one is harmed in the production I think we should live and let live, just as they should accept us for being easily squicked. =P

[rmac40]

dude, i wish you were my neighbor. Reasonable people are hard to come by. Another great vid and congrats on the beautiful baby! cheers

[klfly]

Ah thanks.

[drakejoseph25]

i saw u on manswers helll ya

[Spoonfoon]

I invoke Rule 34!

[klfly]

Heh heh. Is there Atheist Church porn yet?

[Spoonfoon]

Wait.... WHAT?!

I thought this _was_ Atheist Church Porn.

What have I been doing?!?!!

*vomits*

[LordSlag]

Par Excellence, as usual. Keep up the good work, Keith. :D 5/5

I entreat you, if you haven't already, check out the work of DarkMatter2525. He's hilarious. Make sure you haven't done sit ups or eaten in the last 2 hours before watching some of his better stuff like "God Fail-Tower of Babel".

[pfarabee]

It is really distracting when the person waving the rocks of crack in front of the pornstars slips a bit, and the little plastic baggy falls down into frame. For fuck's sake, hire talented crack-rock wavers!

[seppesai]

good definition :D

[ArmchairAccomplice]

As far as I'm concerned Steven Shainberg's movies "Secretary" and "Fur" are porn, really beautiful, artistic, thoughtful porn with real actors. Of course I'm a chick so its more about the story for me.

[wrongheadedfool]

To me Secretary is a romantic comedy for the BDSM community. It's also what I think of when someone talks about a classier type of porn.

For what it's worth, I'm a guy who cares much more for ideas and narrative. Not that I think it's inherently better, just different. I'm a very visual person as well, but I much prefer for images or video to tell a story.

[klfly]

I really liked Secretary. I'll have to check out Fur. Thanks

[Spleep007]

Don't Google tub girl!

[klfly]

Seriously. I described it with the term "enema porn" so anyone who went forward from there and googled it, well, you kind of asked for it. :D

[PraiseShemp]

98% of everything is crap, including porn.

Novels, for instance. Ever try to read a fucking Ayn Rand novel? That's even less tolerable than lousy porn.

TV? Up that percentage to 99%.

And so on.

[otherether]

Ha! I've never read Ayn Rand, thank you for sparing me the torment.

[klfly]

Exactly!

Except... I enjoy Ayn Rand's crazy soap operas.

[Anon1696]

Lol@tubgirl joke.

[orgixvi3]

Lesbian is the way to go in my book. :3 Viv Thomas is a god.

And as long as the people in the porn are enjoying what they're doing, then I don't think it's degrading to anyone.

[zet168]

That reminds me once I saw a banner that said "Homosexuality prevents abortions! Go girl on girl for Jesus!"

[PraiseShemp]

Jesus lived with twelve guys -- count'em, twelve -- say no more, nudge, nudge.

[orgixvi3]

I gotta go find that! :D

[klfly]

That's rad.

[mtanti87]

"Look at those people no don't it's disgusting"

Pure awesomeness.

[rextrek]

I love porn, preferrably for me - Gay porn, but to each thier own.

[zet168]

I'm bisexual so I enjoy both. :D

[sambudwiser]

good job rev.

[klfly]

Thanks Mr. Wiser.

[Singebuggercat]

Who was that arty director you mentioned? How's he spelled?

[klfly]

Radley Metzger is a favorite. The other is Andrew Blake.

[zet168]

Pornography is another area in which we Americans are about quantity over quality. We have the most porn but we also have some of the worst porn. I've seen some french erotica films that are very romantic, artistic and also very hot.:)

[kjg28]

I agree with this completely. Moral judgments on issues like porn should be based in reason and logic, as you have done.

[debbieomi]

This was a fantastic sermon! I especially love the comedy at the end.

I have no problem with porn, as long as everyone involved are consenting human adults and not coerced into any part of it.

I do wish there were more available with plausible storylines and sure, they could throw in some romance now and again.

[orangesfromlondon]

I stopped watching pornography.

It is degrading to women.

Also I'm sure many who watch it may feel like looser's who ain't gettin' none.

[zet168]

Not all of it is.

[orangesfromlondon]

If it is not degrading to women then it is not really pornography. Much nude art and art themed on sex would not come across as pornography to me.

But to be honest most porn actresses would rather be doing something else and for those who enjoy the money the footage is still degrading to all women and not just those involved in the industry.

[zet168]

"If it is not degrading to women then it is not really pornography. Much nude art and art themed on sex would not come across as pornography to me."

So if it is made purely for sexual arousal it's degrading? Are men in gay porn being degraded as well?

[orangesfromlondon]

I must say I have not watched much gay porn in my time.

Look I'll put it this way. If a single mom agrees to do a porn for a sum of money to provide for her child, has to expose herself to a camera, and viewers while she gets pounded by some steroid fueled guy. They have to take it where ever. Forcably.

And besides that. If you saw your mother or your sister or wife being treated like this you would not be content with it.

Don't bother justifying it.

[klfly]

But we're all in agreement that this sort of thing sucks. The point is, it doesn't have to be that way. It can be explicit but not horrible and it sometimes is, even if too rarely.

So it's not porn you hate, it's the abuse and degradation in too much of the porn out there.

Nobody is trying to justify the abuse. Nobody has said anything of the kind.

[zet168]

I'm not trying to justify the abuse that goes on.

[natmanprime]

I think if it's woman on woman, and and there's no real pain, such as bleeding, marks, etc

Then it's OK

Thumbs

Up

Or if you're gay, then man on man with no ridiculously harsh stuff etc. as with women.

If you're bi, then man on woman only if they are in a relationship.

Anything else is sick and disturbing, yes INCLUDING man on woman if they are not in a relationship, doing it for money in front of cameras.

But then you sane people already knew that!

;P

[MistressArte]

What's wrong with a little blood? Pain and pleasure are more closely linked then you think. As long as all parties are ok with it it's ok, and depending on how hot the people are in it kind of hot.

[natmanprime]

I agree they are indeed closely linked, uh, but when there's BLOOD I think it's gone a LITTLE too far over on the side of pain?!?!?!?!

How the hell can you get turned on by an open wound???

I mean I personally love fetish as long as it's woman on woman and done well, but seeing female buttocks covered in welts and scars is just f**ked UP

[MistressArte]

@natmanprime

Who really hasn't accidentally or even on purpose cause the person they were being intimate with to bleed? I know I have bit my boyfriends in the past when we were kissing caused them to bleed. (not on purpose lol XD) Also the more people make love the less people make war, look at the bonobo as an example. People like what they like and I don't have any issues with it, so long as everyone is old enough, knows what's going on, and is ok with it. Whatever makes people happy.

[natmanprime]

causing it is one thing, but getting turned on by it?? I thought THAT was the point you were arguing before, yet you haven't done that in this comment...

Seeing your loved one bleeding arouses in ME a strong feling of tenderness, not sexual lust.

Yes, war is bad.

As for what consenting adults do, I just think that when it comes to serious injuries like open wounds, both individuals would be better off with a little therapy to quell their inner demons. No couple/man/woman is an island...

[MistressArte]

Why can't it be both depending on the circumstances?

Also as far as serious injury goes most masochist have their limits. Their partner knows what those are and doesn't go beyond them. Also their partner usually isn't a sadist. They do what they do to make their partner happy which is really all that matters that you are happy with the one you love.

[natmanprime]

haha, you seem to be gradually veering the argument away, comment by comment, from dealing with the point that was originally being discussed! Come come, deal with the issue at hand milady...

The point was, that the ones who go BEYOND a certain limit , i.e. when blood is drawn, and get turned on by the SIGHT of it, are messed up individuals. They become self destructive and affect those around them, because of wilful lack of empathy. This matters.

You say no

I say yes

Accidental blood is fine.

[MistressArte]

Well like I said in my last reply all that matters that you are happy with the one you love. It's not accurate to put limitations on things because of your own personal taste. That's why there are all kinds of porn out there.

[natmanprime]

So therefore, it IS accurate to place no limitations on pornography?

If by "accurate" you mean "ideal", then am I to assume that you have no objection to child pornography?

I find your logic curious.

[MistressArte]

So because I'm ok with kink I should like child porn? No, as long as they are consenting adults I'm ok with whatever makes them happy. However not when it comes to kids, since they can't consent. However there is the case of Billy Miller where he got pictures of his niece at her b day party from his mom and is now getting charged with child porn in Afghanistan because she had on a swimsuit. In that case I disagree it isn't porn, and he should be let go to be with his family.

[Hamhark98]

Degrading to women? What are you talking about?

[orangesfromlondon]

Well I don't think it boosts any woman's feeling of self worth does it?

[klfly]

What about lesbian porn made by women for women? I think you're speaking about mainstream porn, or the most common porn, but isn't always and doesn't have to be that way which is my point here.

[Hamhark98]

So what.

[orangesfromlondon]

So it degrades women.

[AAL]

that's stupid

[zet168]

How is it degrading simply because it doesn't boost anyone's feeling of self worth? Why does it have to be one or the other?

[orangesfromlondon]

Do you take everything literally?

The majority of porn is a disgrace. Pornstars do not enjoy what the do?

Do you think girls want to get fucked in the ass until they bleed?

Have you ever watched out takes from porn. It is an emotionally destroying industry that takes advantage mainly of young women.

[zet168]

Okay it seems your problem is with many types of common, mainstream porn and certain acts done by people in the porn industry. I can agree with that, but you still haven't explained how ALL porn is in itself degrading. There are many many types of porn out there. Some porn isn't even involved with the industry. There sites like YouPorn which are completely user-generated.

[PraiseShemp]

When I was a kid, I got my hands on a Victorian porn book called "The Debauched Hospodar." To this day, it's the sickest thing I've ever come across. Its ONLY redeeming quality was that it was not - fucking - boring.

THAT'S why "Plan 9 From Outer Space" is a better movie than "2001: A Space Odyssey." Poor old Ed Wood's pathetic little stinking wet fart of a movie is NOT monumentally BORING -- like "2001."

[zet168]

Also, since your problem with porn is how women are "degraded", it's interesting to note that a lot of the porn which is becoming in higher and higher demand is gay porn, with no women whatsoever. How do you feel about that kind? is that type of porn degrading to men?If not, it really makes no sense why as soon as a woman is involved it becomes degrading.

[klfly]

Uh.... sorry, but the majority of straight porn that I've seen is indeed degrading to women.

[zet168]

Yeah I know what you mean, I don't like that kind, but I'm talking about his argument that ALL porn is in itself degrading.

[klfly]

:D Right. It's the absolutes that are ridiculous, I agree.

[klfly]

"THE MAJORITY OF" Yes, exactly. We're all in agreement on this you silly person. Our point YET AGAIN is that this doesn't have to be. It's the shame and pushing it underground that keeps it SO BAD!

[winstonsmith00]

I really enjoyed church this week. LMAO! Thanks!

[AncelDeLambert]

Speaking of Japan...

Tentacle PORNNNN!!!

[orgixvi3]

Pr0n

[klfly]

Wandering Kid! Legend of The Overfiend. First saw it when I was 19 and I could not believe my eyes. Disturbed!

[AQandDF]

My first Atheist church. Nice way to start thins off too lol.

[Babaldira]

Agree 100% ...

[DeletedDelusion]

Great stuff.

[TomMSTie]

I was just about to go to bed (I work nights) when I saw a video with 'porn' in the title...I'M UP! ^_^

NFD = Not Fucking Disgusting. For a minute there, I thought you were making a NEDM (Not Even Doom Music) reference.

Is any of the stand-up at the end on your new CD?

Great video, and goodnight.

[klfly]

:D

Not familiar with NEDM.

Yes, all of the stand up on this is on my CD.

[TomMSTie]

If I remember the legend right, some guy once made a video of him setting a cat on fire. Someone said, "Not even Doom (video game) music would make this cool" and it became a catchphrase around the Internets.

[Pjatten]

Atheist pornography - when you don't believe in an orgasm? :) Nice to see regular atheist church's dropping in!

[TomMSTie]

Bill Hicks did a bit about that. The punch line was like, "Oh Random chance!"

[DemoLeont]

1 Description about porn. by : Bill Hicks he used it in his act .

[klfly]

What is that description?

[TomMSTie]

Oh boy, I'm so glad I read these...

Bill said porn is described as any media that "has no artistic value and causes sexual thought." Which he also followed with a comparison to commercials, only he went a LOT further.

[bluestrobe1]

LOL...Bill Hicks was a god!

[TomMSTie]

@bluestrobe1 That he was...and he died for our sins.

[Notsorandomnumbers]

Woot porn!

[jcurious]

Woohoo! It's wootoff time! :)