Any conclusions drawn about Socialism versus Facism with regards to Spain without knowing Spains history is moronic!!! Spain was on a path which nobody knew what the conclusion would be. What ordinary Spaniards wanted was an end to centuries of repression by the Church; Aristocracy and Military. What many Nationlists wanted was a continuation of the nations wealth in the hands of a corrupt minority; crushing poverty for the majority and with few (if any) rights for the ordinary people of Spain.
There were massacres committed by both sides in the war. however, the fascists committed a lot more executions (around 200 000). the only people i can empathize with are the civilians and guerillas who were only trying to protect what they believed in to be freedom, not politics
The republicans were communists, if they would have won all their freedoms would have gone with them to the gulags. If stalinism would have prevailed, do you think Spain would be what it is today?
@pdailey1950 Why you think every proletarian/marxist movement is stalinist? That is ignorant naiveness. Socialism, is in its core, libertarianism, freedom. Now we live in fascist plutocracy, and that is not better than any policial/economical system.
@seigneurvoland666 Well the republican side wasnt just "communists," it included groups like socialists, workers, anarchists, ect, and some statists-communist might have seen this as a threat.
"The Soviet Union primarily provided material assistance to the Republican forces. The Soviet Union ignored the League of Nations embargo and sold arms to the Republic when few other nations would do so; thus it was the Republic's only important source of major weapons."
I am a Democratic Socialist from America and would not have supported the Republicans and their Communist supporters. They crashed their economy Franco saved it. Republicans massacred innocent clergy men and women.
@kristianOLS stay in america you understand nothing of euro politics.this war was a prelude to the second world war.many of your countrymen would be ashamed by your remarks as i am
I lived in spain in the 1960s. Franco kept the country at an economic and social standstill. I barely even remember any cars in the street, and the towns seemed devoid of people, they stayed indoors for safety.
Give me a break. The Red Army had bled for 3 years agianst the Wehrmacht before the first American landed on the beaches of France. At least 80 % of the German armed forces where stationed on the Eastern Front in battle against the Soviet forces. In the later parts of the war Hitler ordered all remaining forces to march East and on the Western Front all non-SS forces surrendered without much opposition while those in the East fought to the death most of the time.
@gabrielooss America funded Hitler and actually Franco, in the same way it now funds saudi arabia and pakistan and previous dictatorships in latin america. Do you actually know what america stands for? the rich few controlling the poor of the world. Google operation ajax or operation condor to see how much USA loves democracy. And the Soviets did win the war, east germany? Stalin turned Russia from a third world nation into a super power. Not that im a stalinist, but historys history.
This video is TOTALLY ONE-SIDED. It does not mention that the Soviet Union helped the republicans with the most advanced tanks of the time, together with planes and soldiers. It only talks about the executions of the Nationalists (which happened) but not the EXECUTIONS DONE BY THE REPUBLICANS, which also happened. The Spanish Civil war is not about freedom vs totalitarism. It is rather the battle between two evils, the least of which won the war for the benefit of the present and future of Spain
@mazamolamazo Soviet Russia did not help with any tanks!No planes and no soldiers! Give me a legitimate source. The only foreign help was from the international brigades of volunteers. Don't forget that the fascists were invaders of a legitimate democratic government (the first non monarchist one). Franco was supported by foreign capital and military to force a brutal nationalist regime on his country. There is no beneficent in fascists wining. Fascists were the monarchy supported aggressors.
@seezarorest Source for the USSR aid to the Republicans: Hugh Thomas Historia de la Guerra Civil Española. The "Republicans" stood against the "invaders", the "invaders" stood against the destruction of Spain. I don't know where you are from, but the Socialists in Spain are not like other countries (I have travelled a lot). In Spain, they destroy the economy and the social-territorial integration of the country.
@mazamolamazo I was talking about the anarchists not republicans. The Nationalists had professional Spanish soldiers, the international help consisted of professional soldiers, they had more planes tanks etc.On the side of the republicans fought mainly civilians, and international volunteers. The soviet Union provided military help because many European countries provided military aid to the Nationalists, despite the non intervention pact, and the fact that a legitimate government was attacked!
What the hell are you saying. The Republicans where made up of liberals, social democrats, anarchists and communists and they all stood together against the murderous fascist forces of Franco. The USSR didn´t really support the Republic since they didn´t trust the 'revisionist' social democrats. They demanded pay for every single tank and gun the Republicans recieved and as it turned out part of the equipment was defective.
A lot of peasants supported the nationalists. Big cities leaned to the left the countryside to the right. Another point the real fascists the Falanje was socialist too and despised monay and capitalism . They wanted more equality in Spain and social justice. Many Anarchists entered the Falanje
@DeRoquencourt Fascists wanted more equality?!? LOOOL. Nationalism is right, socialism is left. The reason why Nazi/fascists wanted to seem socialist is to be closer to the undereducated public which cannot understand that right wing policy's are elitist, and left wing are egalitarian. Anarchists HATED and still HATE Fascism. By definition Anarchy is freedom, and Fascism is authority."Many Anarchists entered the Falanje" You must be retarded to make a statement like that..
@DeRoquencourt "José Calvo Sotelo was the leading Spanish monarchist and a prominent parliamentary conservative.He protested against agricultural reforms,expropriations,and restrictions on the authority of the Catholic Church,which he considered Bolshevist and anarchist.He instead advocated the creation of a corporative state" Wikipedia.The countryside was uneducated,and didn't know what the real agenda of the right was.The right stands for conservatism/chauvinism/militarism/elitism/monarchy
Republican militians were very good at defense but bad at organized attacks. They never could mount big successfull offensives. They lack discipline and were stronly divided. Moreover the communists battled the Anarchits and the Trotskian POUM. The communists used Largo Caballero as a puppet to create a stallinian state
2/2 He" decided to seize first the north because of the heavy industry located in Gijon, Oviedo, Bilbao and the aramament manufactures. Franco didn't ask men to Mussolini but weapons, materials. He despised the italian soldiers
1/2 This bias video lets us think that Franco won because the Nazis and the Italians helped him BUT on the other side the Soviet helped the Republicans (tanks, planes) and the International Brigades brought a big help to the leftists. Franco army at the beginning lacked big weapons.
This is a very biased presentation of the civil war. The Republic was extremely corrupted and dominated by leftist fanatics who refused election results. Largo Caballero the socialist leader appealed to revolution, non respect of democracy, violence and dictature of proletarians. The state acknowledged the assassination of Gil Robles by Asaltos. Such a terrible situation triggered the army upheaval to restore order.
Santiago Carillo with soviet Komintern men (Orlov) organized the spanisk Katyn in Paracuellos where innocent people were slaughtered (10000 killed). They were guilty for the bloody communists because they belonged to suspected social classes (priests, monks, retired officers, nons). The republican terror equated the nationalist one.
@AnthemicPolemic Fuck you and your revolution. You tried to force communism on the people and they rose up. You killed priests and nuns and many more people in the name of your communist revolution. Thanks god they stopped you nuts or else you would have sent millions more to their deaths in your gulags. Disrespectful...no, just relieved.
@pauls317@pauls317 Haha what? Who forced communism? Me? What a funny little guy you are. You obviously know nothing of communism, revolution, nor the Spanish Civil War. Go away and leave this to those who can think freely.
@pauls317 You Sir, are an idiot, and little more. I am not a communist, I am a free thinker as I said. You on the other hand, are clearly the type who merely suscribes to a ready-established set of opinions, I know your type, and you are boring and annoying, go away.
A British documentary totally biased towards the side of the communists.
Biased British documentary that is not worth 10 cents. The British government will take sides with ANYONE opposed to Catholic governments. The Spanish Civil War was about only one thing, faithfull Catholics versus the enemies of Christ. That is why the fighters on both sides were so passionate. That point of course, is never mentioned in the documentary.
@Chrysostomite while I agree that this doc is biased to some extent, one should never attempt to pin down complex historical phenomena to just one particular cause.
There was some element of religious ideology involved in the Spanish Civil War, but the political ideological conflict was either equally, or more, important.
@Will762 Political ideology far more important. Anti-clericalism was rife due to them being representatives of the fascist regime and the fact that Communism and Anarchism had proven more effective in supporting the people than the Church was. The Church sybolised the dogmas of facism. Franco supported the Church as he was a sincere Catholic and appreciated the importance of winning over the Christian old-guard.
@AnthemicPolemic The Church didnt suport the dogmas of fascism it suports the dogmas of "Feudalism" of Ancien Regime Franco was a suporter of the Church and a Catholic because he symbolizes that "old regime" "sect" he was hardly a fascist
@Chrysostomite Wow you are an idiot, shut up and read a book. It was a political fight, the religious tension was merely symptomatic of any fight against oppression, as religion is almost synonymous with dicatatorship and authoratarianism. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, leave this to people who read, discuss and understand.
He left Cuba for Idaho not very long after Castro got to power. Cuba, the USSR and China aren't particularly shining examples of the ideals of socialism.
Leninists weren't socialists.. they were more like Fascists.. Socialism and Fascism is basically opposite on the political spectrum.. Russia was rather fascist.. it also was controlled by an inner circle in the kremlin..
Communist by some small measure in financial theory, but fascism in action
For the spanish Libertarian Communists.. it was something entirely different.. it was the beginning of Anarchism in action.. never able to sprout because the idea was squashed by oppressors
hear hear! I couldn't have put it better. The Stalinists-Leninists of the PCE cared more about obtaining power than any 'revolution' that might have come. They appealed to the middle classes, and used force to crush the CNT/FAI and the POUM. Looking at China, North Korea, and the USSR, we can see how well Leninism works
@ramberghini You don't know what you are talking about. So you suggest that by looking at the countries you mentioned one can make an assumption that the cause was Leninism? You just randomly linked two things that might have a negative connotation in the opinion of some people. Read what Leninism is.The fact's are that PCE and CNT/FAI didn't agree on some important topics, Franco with foreign help crushed the legitimate majority republican government,and slaughtered/imprisoned the opposition.
@ImperialGuard9001 No, they weren't at all Stalinists. They were socialist Marxists who had no interest in a totalitarian Stalinesque regime but wanted nothing other than civil peace and individual security. So stop spouting pseudo-intellectual crap that means nothing.
@AnthemicPolemic Pff What joke yes they were Stalinists! Almost all communist in time of Civil War were Stalinists! See how they react to POUM and to the CNT! THey folow Stalin orders from the Kremlin!They had "political police" that actualy persecuted not fascists but other leftists such as anarchists and trotskysts what happen in Barcelona what happen to the CNT and POUM proves my theory! This is not pseudo crap like your "fantasy vision" that you have of romantic communists! Read facts not my
@ImperialGuard9001 No, they weren't Stalinists. Have you ever even been to Spain? You sound like an armchair politician who has spent no time immersing themselves in the reality. They were simply not Stalinists but came to rely on the exclusive support of Russia as countries like the US and UK were too spineless to stand up to facism, the US was even supporting Hitler at the time.
@AnthemicPolemic I went to spain several ocasions since imy country has border with it! But that is not even the point why going to Spain change anything? What Spain is stil in Civil War?! My info comes from sources such books have you ever read Homage to Catalonia by George Orwell?Or as "free thinker" you think is propaganda? US wasnt suporting Hitler it had supoters in country that suported Hitler such UK Ireland and other countries had US also had leftits like Abrawn Lincolnd Brigate
Sure take the high ground, I was talking about the fact that if the "popular" front had won, there would have been bickering between anarchists and socialists, further supression of the catholic church and eventual soviet style dictatorship leading to inevitable collapse in the early 90's leaving Spain a weak post-communist blank spot like many former eastern bloc countries, opression, isolation, oscurantism and censorship would have still taken place.
I take the high ground for a reason; because I am certain that the communist/post communist hellscape you describe inyour comment would never have occurred, with people like Manuel Azana leading the country. The second republic was in many ways more progressive and modern (politically speaking of course) than most other countries at the time. I disagree with you sir, and believe your original comment is both tactless and insulting to those who suffered under the Franco-regime.
For the love of fuck, I made one off-colour remark and i'm scorned for life
What I meant was the following, had there been a third entity in the war, a democratic one I would have supported them, but the unfortunate truth was that the only side that opposed communism was a far-right side
The Republican government was left-wing, but clearly parliamentary and democratic. The anarchist movement was for grassroots, decentralised democracy as well.
@Rykemasters Actually the Republican government was rendered ineffective by the fact that it wasn't decidedly left-wing, but rather fragmented and comprised of anyone anti-facist, pro-democratic, anti-clerical and anti-authoratarianism. A highly divided group and that is the reason it could not pull itself together.
@LiberalCounterpart yeah opression and isolation, however England and France didn´t waste time to recognize Franco´s Cabinet, in the end, the United States, France and the United KIngdom did at the end of the 50´s. Because they thought that the URSS was behind the Republic.
@jetdude101 you rationalize brutality through GDP? you fucking degenerate, what the fuck does that have to do with casualties? i want to shit in your fucking throat you stupid ignorant sociopathic fuck, get help
adopt a fucking stray cat or something, there's gotta be a little empathy somewhere deep down in there, i'm sure you haven't sold ALL of it off just yet
because it was the nazis responsible for the deaths you cant change history and it had nothing to do with religion pick up a book and stop filling in the lines and actually read it
Anarchy is democracy, in its pure form. See all the Greek city states that had horrible deaths. Anarchy is mob rule and fails to defend itself and its adherents. See Los Angeles in 1992, for example! IT DOESN'T WORK. Semi-Social/Heavily regulated capitalist ~Republics/Royal Republics~ do!
Not true. Franco was recognised only AFTER the demose of the Republic. Look up XV International brigade, Made up of Frenchmen, Englishmen, and American voluteers.
I dont get the point you are trying to make. The British and French governments recognised Franco rather than democratic rule period and certainly did not support the volunteers of the 15th international brigade, they made their own way there.
By the way compared with the 1500 or so Brits 10,000 germans fought for the republic in the CNT POUM and Communist Party
Our problem was the cowards nations in europe, did not help us, and then they paid with the second world war.The war front was steady while the anarchist were in control, after the traitors communist were in power everything went down, the popular army (controled by the russian communist) was a disaster for our war and revolution. But one day we will win.
Reading most comments adds to the fact that legend overcomes fact on your minds. You say things that wouldn´t pass any serious analiys, based only on others oppinions but, again not on facts.
There is much emotional hijacking about this part of history, but truth will conquer its way through the ruins of wary theories demolished by facts.
Tells nothing on your objectivism to deliver the same common stands held for decades without taking into account facts that counter the version given here.
You see I do not take sides, but simply denounce the general lack of information that shapes the state o generally accepted oppinion.
This work would not stand any serious and scientific confrontation with facts.
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"historian", the Church had looted the people for centuries to build and furnish its churches. It supported oppressive regimes.
It you knew anything about the war, you would know that Franco massacred many times more people than the Republican side. Franco also started the terror bombing of civilians in cities.
For a "historian" you give a one-sided propaganda view. No reason to take you seriously. You also seem to be a Catholic fanatic.
Yes but no one is without their crimes! Communist USSR = 20 million dead Soviets. Communist China = hard to count but roughly the same. 1st Paris commune = around 2 - 3000 dead/injured
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These videos are just propaganda. Not a word about the communists raping, murdering and plundering.
Does anyone else see the hypocricy here? Americans and Brits love to talk of the horror of Guernica and the Blitz on London and yet they both committed far larger atrocities in Germany.
Franco was too merciful on this scum. Viva Franco!
Neo-Nazi? Republican? Wrong on both accounts. If you want a clue to my affiliation-check out my channel.
I am an historian and all I care about in regards to this video, is the FACTS. The facts in this case is long list of crimes against humanity commited by the 'Democratic' Republic of Spain.
Even Hemingway, who was there on the Republican side, recorded their atrocities. My advice to you is to stop drinking the kool-aid.
The 'republican' (Communists) attacked the Church, anyone who knows anything of Spain, knows that that will never be tolerated. They proceeded to kill priests, rape and kill nuns, burn churchs, not forgetting to loot them of any valuables first and then they moved on to shop-keepers, teachers and many others. They were scum and Franco was too merciful on them. Read a history book once in a while, it will do you good.
"i am an historian and all i care about in regards to this video, is the FACTS" ... "franco was too merciful on this scum. viva franco" ... im sure from such a removed position your 'historical conclusions' are completely unbias. yawn.
Fact: Franco started the war against the elected government. all blood, left or right wing, is on his hands.
Fact is that the socalled elected goverment couldn't control the anarchist and communist who were murdering nationalist, monarchist, catholic clerics and nuns in socalled goverment controlled cities. Franco's uprising was caused by that!.
when a country is continually shackled and denied democracy by a monarchy-backed hierarchial-clergy then what exactly did you think was going to happen? the people saw the church as the oppressor and hundreds of years of this crap was unleashed on them for 4 years
clergymen were sided with the nationalists, fascists, scum (whatever you want to call them) They did not believe in freedom, and they helped shelter and support the right's military invasion. of course this doesnt justify rape
i dont know the exact term for it but 78% of spains land was held by around 3% of the population which was the church and the crown. this pretty much locked the people in a state of serfdom just like in russia.
and what exactly do you mean by 'so-called' elected government?
spain got the chance to vote for a democratically-elected government for the first time in its history and they voted left. Franco didn't like it and threw his toys out of his bloody pram
Vicente schau mal auf den unteren Kommentar. Und lies mal K. Rings Werk über die Legion Condor, bevor du hier andere dumm anmachst. Ich zumindest hab hier die Quellen vorliegen u.a. auch Artikel zur Genfer Konvention.
Whas für einen verlogenen Scheiß erzählt dieser Plumpuddingfresser da? Tieffliegerangriffe auf die Zivilisten in Guernica hats nie gegeben und es sind auch keine 1000 ums Leben gekommen!
Sprichst du von dir selbst, oder? Ich halte mich jedenfalls an die Fakten und Quellen, u.a. an Werken von Hans Ring, Karl Ries (Legion Condor) und J. Piekalkowic. Aber für dich Linksautonomen sind das vermutlich alles Nazi-revisionisten, selbst wenn sie wie letzterer damals im Widerstand gegen die Nazis gekämpft haben.
Both sides forget many facts. The Republic bears responsibility for the murder of Calvo Sotelo by the Assault Guards. This act gave the Nationalists crediblity and middle class support. Forgotten too is the Falange program of social reform in redistribution of land, rights for labor, and social justice. Almost 60 years after the war, the underlying hatreds continue unabated.
A sad tale, this war - the Spanish Communist Party sabotaged the Republics own efforts far better than any agents of Franco could've managed. With allies like that, who needs enemies.
La Pasionaria was a truly evil witch with a silver tongue. But then as she was buddies with Stalin this shouldn't surprise anyone.
She was the whore of Stalin and if the communists had won Spain would have been devastated and would have looked like an Eastern European country after the fall of communists when the berlin wall fell down.
fuck nazism spanish civil war was a chanse for free society with no church capitalism or state worker self menagment and solidarity toke over... if the nais didnt bomb who knows.. maybe the world woud now be united hum,an and worker brotherhood triumfing over the ruins of all states!!!!
Guernica,is proved, has been a mystification from both side. Nowaday we know that it was only propaganda. The fake republican regime was abettor of the killers of the opposition's leader Calvo Sotelo, that crime led to the insurrection of the army. The truth must be respected.
Well, what about all States...they have the monopoly of armed violence. The people are at the mercy of those with the guns and the power. How long will we accept this?
they are in iraq for the fucking oil that,s the only reason and some of those soldiers are mexicans and blacks who would do anything for the mooooneyyyy!!!
maybe you are right thats no good reason to kill innocent humans .
My grand father fought against fascism and tradicional church and latifundist wich control many chief in the army, Aznar and the right party repesent the past, and the delay of thinking in my country. They arrive to the government just at the moment when european economy began to growth, they didn´t make any special, they only repesent misery of the past long live socialism, United States need social democracy.
Zapatero's current government is benefiting from the economic situation left by the government of the Popular Party of Aznar. It's a fact, at least in Spain, that centre-right PP manages the economic issues much better. As an example: the former Minister of Financial Affairs, Rodrigo Rato, has been working as head of the International Monetary Fund since he left the government.
People could have elected a right-wing party for the government in the next elections, if they really wanted a change.
But currently, Spain has a socialist government. Spain has had more socialist than right-wing governments after the death of Franco. But the fact is: when Spain has a socialist government, the economy goes down. It has happened with all socialist governments so far.
It's a pity... Spain was completely devastated, and due to the fact that Franco won the war, it was left outside the Marshall Plan (it was the only non-communist country left aside). I think the UK and France should have done something, perhaps if they had entered the war, just as Germany and Italy entered in the fascist side, the Republic could have won the war. And I don't really think the Republic was a good government, but a coup d'etat is not the way to act in politics.
Except that the republicans were controlled by communists and anarchist, who had turned it into a stalin controlled country and killed all the republicans if they had won the war. England and France were as worried as Franco about the revolutions and red uprisings in their own countries. They
the anarchists hated stalin as much as any capitalist.
spain would have differed from the state-capitalist countries in eastern europe as Spain's revolution was not a military coup (which was what happened when the Bolsheviks took power in 1917) - spain was a revolution from the bottom-up by anarcho-syndicalists. the stalinists screwed things up for the anarcho-syndicalist movement by constantly undermining it
Barcelona, the first time in history that civilians were sitematically attacked, demoralizing its population. It was started February the 13th 1937, by a Mussolini war ship called Eugeni de Saboya. The big essay for the Second World War.
Fuck Anarchism, Socialism, Communism and Fascism, all the same shit and don´t make me belive that republicans were "poor and inocent people" and nationals were the "bads", Spanish people didn´t choose that war so don´t fuck me with your shit ideas of anarchism
DIE RED SCUM!!!!!
gulfstream020 5 days ago
Any conclusions drawn about Socialism versus Facism with regards to Spain without knowing Spains history is moronic!!! Spain was on a path which nobody knew what the conclusion would be. What ordinary Spaniards wanted was an end to centuries of repression by the Church; Aristocracy and Military. What many Nationlists wanted was a continuation of the nations wealth in the hands of a corrupt minority; crushing poverty for the majority and with few (if any) rights for the ordinary people of Spain.
FrancoHitlini 4 months ago
There were massacres committed by both sides in the war. however, the fascists committed a lot more executions (around 200 000). the only people i can empathize with are the civilians and guerillas who were only trying to protect what they believed in to be freedom, not politics
Toro953 5 months ago
The republicans were communists, if they would have won all their freedoms would have gone with them to the gulags. If stalinism would have prevailed, do you think Spain would be what it is today?
pdailey1950 5 months ago
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@pdailey1950 Why you think every proletarian/marxist movement is stalinist? That is ignorant naiveness. Socialism, is in its core, libertarianism, freedom. Now we live in fascist plutocracy, and that is not better than any policial/economical system.
Konicava 2 months ago
@pdailey1950 Stalin supported the fascists nationalists.
tph2010 1 month ago
@tph2010 yea I've heard this, have you got any links of anything?
Long live the republic! long live an international Socialist Republic!
MrLovethelife 1 month ago
@MrLovethelife No I was wrong, apparently he supported the Republican side.
tph2010 1 month ago
@tph2010 I believe it, but how did he do so? how come other communist fought opposing it ?
seigneurvoland666 1 week ago
@seigneurvoland666 Well the republican side wasnt just "communists," it included groups like socialists, workers, anarchists, ect, and some statists-communist might have seen this as a threat.
"The Soviet Union primarily provided material assistance to the Republican forces. The Soviet Union ignored the League of Nations embargo and sold arms to the Republic when few other nations would do so; thus it was the Republic's only important source of major weapons."
tph2010 1 week ago
I am a Democratic Socialist from America and would not have supported the Republicans and their Communist supporters. They crashed their economy Franco saved it. Republicans massacred innocent clergy men and women.
kristianOLS 5 months ago
@kristianOLS stay in america you understand nothing of euro politics.this war was a prelude to the second world war.many of your countrymen would be ashamed by your remarks as i am
tezzabanboy 5 months ago
Franco was a good leader
JosephStalin11 6 months ago
I lived in spain in the 1960s. Franco kept the country at an economic and social standstill. I barely even remember any cars in the street, and the towns seemed devoid of people, they stayed indoors for safety.
rickcain2320 6 months ago
The communists are the plague of the humanity.
gabrielooss 9 months ago
@gabrielooss
And still it was the communists of the Red Army that saved us from Hitlers Germany.
ma82fo 8 months ago
@ma82fo
No,americans saved us.
gabrielooss 8 months ago
@gabrielooss
Give me a break. The Red Army had bled for 3 years agianst the Wehrmacht before the first American landed on the beaches of France. At least 80 % of the German armed forces where stationed on the Eastern Front in battle against the Soviet forces. In the later parts of the war Hitler ordered all remaining forces to march East and on the Western Front all non-SS forces surrendered without much opposition while those in the East fought to the death most of the time.
ma82fo 8 months ago
@gabrielooss America funded Hitler and actually Franco, in the same way it now funds saudi arabia and pakistan and previous dictatorships in latin america. Do you actually know what america stands for? the rich few controlling the poor of the world. Google operation ajax or operation condor to see how much USA loves democracy. And the Soviets did win the war, east germany? Stalin turned Russia from a third world nation into a super power. Not that im a stalinist, but historys history.
Mikeofdundee1987 7 months ago
This video is TOTALLY ONE-SIDED. It does not mention that the Soviet Union helped the republicans with the most advanced tanks of the time, together with planes and soldiers. It only talks about the executions of the Nationalists (which happened) but not the EXECUTIONS DONE BY THE REPUBLICANS, which also happened. The Spanish Civil war is not about freedom vs totalitarism. It is rather the battle between two evils, the least of which won the war for the benefit of the present and future of Spain
mazamolamazo 10 months ago
@mazamolamazo Soviet Russia did not help with any tanks!No planes and no soldiers! Give me a legitimate source. The only foreign help was from the international brigades of volunteers. Don't forget that the fascists were invaders of a legitimate democratic government (the first non monarchist one). Franco was supported by foreign capital and military to force a brutal nationalist regime on his country. There is no beneficent in fascists wining. Fascists were the monarchy supported aggressors.
seezarorest 9 months ago
@seezarorest Source for the USSR aid to the Republicans: Hugh Thomas Historia de la Guerra Civil Española. The "Republicans" stood against the "invaders", the "invaders" stood against the destruction of Spain. I don't know where you are from, but the Socialists in Spain are not like other countries (I have travelled a lot). In Spain, they destroy the economy and the social-territorial integration of the country.
mazamolamazo 5 months ago
@mazamolamazo I was talking about the anarchists not republicans. The Nationalists had professional Spanish soldiers, the international help consisted of professional soldiers, they had more planes tanks etc.On the side of the republicans fought mainly civilians, and international volunteers. The soviet Union provided military help because many European countries provided military aid to the Nationalists, despite the non intervention pact, and the fact that a legitimate government was attacked!
seezarorest 5 months ago
@mazamolamazo
What the hell are you saying. The Republicans where made up of liberals, social democrats, anarchists and communists and they all stood together against the murderous fascist forces of Franco. The USSR didn´t really support the Republic since they didn´t trust the 'revisionist' social democrats. They demanded pay for every single tank and gun the Republicans recieved and as it turned out part of the equipment was defective.
ma82fo 8 months ago
well this is not bias at all
ThePatrioticPotatos 1 year ago
A lot of peasants supported the nationalists. Big cities leaned to the left the countryside to the right. Another point the real fascists the Falanje was socialist too and despised monay and capitalism . They wanted more equality in Spain and social justice. Many Anarchists entered the Falanje
DeRoquencourt 1 year ago
@DeRoquencourt Fascists wanted more equality?!? LOOOL. Nationalism is right, socialism is left. The reason why Nazi/fascists wanted to seem socialist is to be closer to the undereducated public which cannot understand that right wing policy's are elitist, and left wing are egalitarian. Anarchists HATED and still HATE Fascism. By definition Anarchy is freedom, and Fascism is authority."Many Anarchists entered the Falanje" You must be retarded to make a statement like that..
seezarorest 9 months ago
A lot of peasants supported the nationalists. Big cities leaned to the left the countryside to the right
DeRoquencourt 1 year ago
@DeRoquencourt "José Calvo Sotelo was the leading Spanish monarchist and a prominent parliamentary conservative.He protested against agricultural reforms,expropriations,and restrictions on the authority of the Catholic Church,which he considered Bolshevist and anarchist.He instead advocated the creation of a corporative state" Wikipedia.The countryside was uneducated,and didn't know what the real agenda of the right was.The right stands for conservatism/chauvinism/militarism/elitism/monarchy
seezarorest 9 months ago
Republican militians were very good at defense but bad at organized attacks. They never could mount big successfull offensives. They lack discipline and were stronly divided. Moreover the communists battled the Anarchits and the Trotskian POUM. The communists used Largo Caballero as a puppet to create a stallinian state
DeRoquencourt 1 year ago
2/2 He" decided to seize first the north because of the heavy industry located in Gijon, Oviedo, Bilbao and the aramament manufactures. Franco didn't ask men to Mussolini but weapons, materials. He despised the italian soldiers
DeRoquencourt 1 year ago
1/2 This bias video lets us think that Franco won because the Nazis and the Italians helped him BUT on the other side the Soviet helped the Republicans (tanks, planes) and the International Brigades brought a big help to the leftists. Franco army at the beginning lacked big weapons.
DeRoquencourt 1 year ago
This is a very biased presentation of the civil war. The Republic was extremely corrupted and dominated by leftist fanatics who refused election results. Largo Caballero the socialist leader appealed to revolution, non respect of democracy, violence and dictature of proletarians. The state acknowledged the assassination of Gil Robles by Asaltos. Such a terrible situation triggered the army upheaval to restore order.
DeRoquencourt 1 year ago
Santiago Carillo with soviet Komintern men (Orlov) organized the spanisk Katyn in Paracuellos where innocent people were slaughtered (10000 killed). They were guilty for the bloody communists because they belonged to suspected social classes (priests, monks, retired officers, nons). The republican terror equated the nationalist one.
DeRoquencourt 1 year ago
-Mass killings suceed in both sides.
-La Pasionaria is well known in Spain as a killer and a comunist political dictator despite of the smilling photos shown in this video.
- Nearly all the navy stayed near the republicans.
-Even if Franco conmetted all those crimes during the war time and shortly after you cant ignore all those done by the other side.
-There where no saints fighting for any part as this video tries to transmitt.
In justice dont never believe only one side version!
KARABOUDJANUNO 1 year ago
the best commie is a dead commie
4449626 1 year ago
i would have been a republican to live and fight for what spain really was, a republic not NAZIS!
DuinHark 1 year ago 3
Fuck communism. Good job Franco.
pauls317 1 year ago
@pauls317 How disrespectful to all who died between 1936-1945. You are obviously a braindead Hitlerite, so go fuck yourself you Nazi.
AnthemicPolemic 1 year ago
@AnthemicPolemic Fuck you and your revolution. You tried to force communism on the people and they rose up. You killed priests and nuns and many more people in the name of your communist revolution. Thanks god they stopped you nuts or else you would have sent millions more to their deaths in your gulags. Disrespectful...no, just relieved.
pauls317 1 year ago
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AnthemicPolemic 1 year ago
@pauls317 @pauls317 Haha what? Who forced communism? Me? What a funny little guy you are. You obviously know nothing of communism, revolution, nor the Spanish Civil War. Go away and leave this to those who can think freely.
AnthemicPolemic 1 year ago
@AnthemicPolemic Wow "free thinker". That must be a BIG word for you communist. Or is it better to let the state think for you?
pauls317 1 year ago
@pauls317 You Sir, are an idiot, and little more. I am not a communist, I am a free thinker as I said. You on the other hand, are clearly the type who merely suscribes to a ready-established set of opinions, I know your type, and you are boring and annoying, go away.
AnthemicPolemic 1 year ago
@AnthemicPolemic You know what they do to free thinker in communism? Send them to the gulags...
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@AnthemicPolemic I not here to entertain you. And you don't know shit.
pauls317 1 year ago
This is left wing propaganda! I love it when commies start talking preserving democracy!
billybill56 1 year ago
man the barricades
loz1023 1 year ago
A British documentary totally biased towards the side of the communists.
Biased British documentary that is not worth 10 cents. The British government will take sides with ANYONE opposed to Catholic governments. The Spanish Civil War was about only one thing, faithfull Catholics versus the enemies of Christ. That is why the fighters on both sides were so passionate. That point of course, is never mentioned in the documentary.
Viva Cristo Rey!
Chrysostomite 1 year ago
@Chrysostomite while I agree that this doc is biased to some extent, one should never attempt to pin down complex historical phenomena to just one particular cause.
There was some element of religious ideology involved in the Spanish Civil War, but the political ideological conflict was either equally, or more, important.
Will762 1 year ago
@Will762 Political ideology far more important. Anti-clericalism was rife due to them being representatives of the fascist regime and the fact that Communism and Anarchism had proven more effective in supporting the people than the Church was. The Church sybolised the dogmas of facism. Franco supported the Church as he was a sincere Catholic and appreciated the importance of winning over the Christian old-guard.
AnthemicPolemic 1 year ago
@AnthemicPolemic The Church didnt suport the dogmas of fascism it suports the dogmas of "Feudalism" of Ancien Regime Franco was a suporter of the Church and a Catholic because he symbolizes that "old regime" "sect" he was hardly a fascist
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@Chrysostomite Wow you are an idiot, shut up and read a book. It was a political fight, the religious tension was merely symptomatic of any fight against oppression, as religion is almost synonymous with dicatatorship and authoratarianism. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, leave this to people who read, discuss and understand.
AnthemicPolemic 1 year ago
Now I know the meaning behind The Clash song Spanish Bombs.
repacementsfan 1 year ago
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Rico8458 2 years ago
He left Cuba for Idaho not very long after Castro got to power. Cuba, the USSR and China aren't particularly shining examples of the ideals of socialism.
Rykemasters 2 years ago
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Rico8458 2 years ago
did american jewish idealist create these american intl brigades?
Rico8458 2 years ago
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Rico8458 2 years ago
Leninists weren't socialists.. they were more like Fascists.. Socialism and Fascism is basically opposite on the political spectrum.. Russia was rather fascist.. it also was controlled by an inner circle in the kremlin..
Communist by some small measure in financial theory, but fascism in action
For the spanish Libertarian Communists.. it was something entirely different.. it was the beginning of Anarchism in action.. never able to sprout because the idea was squashed by oppressors
dunngar 2 years ago
hear hear! I couldn't have put it better. The Stalinists-Leninists of the PCE cared more about obtaining power than any 'revolution' that might have come. They appealed to the middle classes, and used force to crush the CNT/FAI and the POUM. Looking at China, North Korea, and the USSR, we can see how well Leninism works
ramberghini 2 years ago 5
@ramberghini You don't know what you are talking about. So you suggest that by looking at the countries you mentioned one can make an assumption that the cause was Leninism? You just randomly linked two things that might have a negative connotation in the opinion of some people. Read what Leninism is.The fact's are that PCE and CNT/FAI didn't agree on some important topics, Franco with foreign help crushed the legitimate majority republican government,and slaughtered/imprisoned the opposition.
seezarorest 9 months ago
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@ramberghini Calling republicans stalinist/leninist is a faillure, most people were struggling against fascism, and that is a honorable ideal.
Konicava 2 months ago
Spanish Communist were sum they were pretty much stalanists that actualy betray the revolution of Sindicalistic Anarchists
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@ImperialGuard9001 No, they weren't at all Stalinists. They were socialist Marxists who had no interest in a totalitarian Stalinesque regime but wanted nothing other than civil peace and individual security. So stop spouting pseudo-intellectual crap that means nothing.
AnthemicPolemic 1 year ago
@AnthemicPolemic Pff What joke yes they were Stalinists! Almost all communist in time of Civil War were Stalinists! See how they react to POUM and to the CNT! THey folow Stalin orders from the Kremlin!They had "political police" that actualy persecuted not fascists but other leftists such as anarchists and trotskysts what happen in Barcelona what happen to the CNT and POUM proves my theory! This is not pseudo crap like your "fantasy vision" that you have of romantic communists! Read facts not my
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@ImperialGuard9001 No, they weren't Stalinists. Have you ever even been to Spain? You sound like an armchair politician who has spent no time immersing themselves in the reality. They were simply not Stalinists but came to rely on the exclusive support of Russia as countries like the US and UK were too spineless to stand up to facism, the US was even supporting Hitler at the time.
AnthemicPolemic 1 year ago
@AnthemicPolemic I went to spain several ocasions since imy country has border with it! But that is not even the point why going to Spain change anything? What Spain is stil in Civil War?! My info comes from sources such books have you ever read Homage to Catalonia by George Orwell?Or as "free thinker" you think is propaganda? US wasnt suporting Hitler it had supoters in country that suported Hitler such UK Ireland and other countries had US also had leftits like Abrawn Lincolnd Brigate
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
there is a thicker line than you think between socialists in their right minds and leninist communists
neothugx 2 years ago
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The only civil war that ended the way it should have
¡Viva el general Franco
googlexxxxxxx 2 years ago
You are a truly clueless idiot. Viva Franco? Viva 40 years of opression and isolation of the spanish people? Viva oscurantism and censorship?
If you dont know what youre talking about then just dont say anything. Your comment is insulting.
LiberalCounterpart 2 years ago 15
Sure take the high ground, I was talking about the fact that if the "popular" front had won, there would have been bickering between anarchists and socialists, further supression of the catholic church and eventual soviet style dictatorship leading to inevitable collapse in the early 90's leaving Spain a weak post-communist blank spot like many former eastern bloc countries, opression, isolation, oscurantism and censorship would have still taken place.
You sir, are the clueless idiot
googlexxxxxxx 2 years ago
I take the high ground for a reason; because I am certain that the communist/post communist hellscape you describe inyour comment would never have occurred, with people like Manuel Azana leading the country. The second republic was in many ways more progressive and modern (politically speaking of course) than most other countries at the time. I disagree with you sir, and believe your original comment is both tactless and insulting to those who suffered under the Franco-regime.
LiberalCounterpart 2 years ago
I believe it's the exact opposite mate
neothugx 2 years ago 2
For the love of fuck, I made one off-colour remark and i'm scorned for life
What I meant was the following, had there been a third entity in the war, a democratic one I would have supported them, but the unfortunate truth was that the only side that opposed communism was a far-right side
googlexxxxxxx 2 years ago
The Republican government was left-wing, but clearly parliamentary and democratic. The anarchist movement was for grassroots, decentralised democracy as well.
Rykemasters 2 years ago
@Rykemasters Actually the Republican government was rendered ineffective by the fact that it wasn't decidedly left-wing, but rather fragmented and comprised of anyone anti-facist, pro-democratic, anti-clerical and anti-authoratarianism. A highly divided group and that is the reason it could not pull itself together.
AnthemicPolemic 1 year ago
@AnthemicPolemic It was mainly left wing after the Popular Front
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
I think viva means home or something
neothugx 2 years ago
@LiberalCounterpart yeah opression and isolation, however England and France didn´t waste time to recognize Franco´s Cabinet, in the end, the United States, France and the United KIngdom did at the end of the 50´s. Because they thought that the URSS was behind the Republic.
Guilleramos 9 months ago
you are s fool
Orgyfan6 2 years ago
What??
googlexxxxxxx 2 years ago
@googlexxxxxxx Learn some respect for the lives of others you hatefull little maggot of a subhuman.
AnthemicPolemic 1 year ago
@AnthemicPolemic
Whoa! What comment are you replying to?
googlexxxxxxx 1 year ago
people!!!
this is not a battle between good vs evil, freedom vs opression, angels vs daemons
Red terror = 50'000 killed (including 20'000 priests)
White terror = 150'000-ish
btw id sooner be a fascist than a communist, at least i keep what if earn while being oppressed, also ancharchy is a situation not a ****ing ideology
dont believe me, compare todays Spanish GDP per capita with the former soviet nations
jetdude101 2 years ago 3
@jetdude101 you rationalize brutality through GDP? you fucking degenerate, what the fuck does that have to do with casualties? i want to shit in your fucking throat you stupid ignorant sociopathic fuck, get help
adopt a fucking stray cat or something, there's gotta be a little empathy somewhere deep down in there, i'm sure you haven't sold ALL of it off just yet
orubanabutt 1 year ago
@orubanabutt Sir, you are not worth argueing with
jetdude101 1 year ago
because it was the nazis responsible for the deaths you cant change history and it had nothing to do with religion pick up a book and stop filling in the lines and actually read it
negkreyol21 2 years ago
nothing works with people 'cause they are idiots now. İn the past people knew less but they had minds.
TodosSomosMarcos 2 years ago 2
So that's why people joined the armies of the world for no good reason at the declaration of politians
WolfeTone91 2 years ago
Teruel was the Spanish Stalingrad in a sense: no so much the fate of the battle, but of the conditions.
ramberghini 2 years ago
thanks for the upload!
kinglouisarteta 2 years ago
Does anybody know where to find the picture at 5:28? I've searched all over for it.
ramberghini 2 years ago
Anarchy is democracy, in its pure form. See all the Greek city states that had horrible deaths. Anarchy is mob rule and fails to defend itself and its adherents. See Los Angeles in 1992, for example! IT DOESN'T WORK. Semi-Social/Heavily regulated capitalist ~Republics/Royal Republics~ do!
TroupeDeMarine 2 years ago
Thats true, mate.
Anarchy now.
Nederlandac 2 years ago
Anarchy is definible. In world politics, maybe it could be called that. In much of Iraq, Somalia, and the DR of Congo absolutly(sp?)!!!
TroupeDeMarine 2 years ago
Britain and France recognised a facist dictator rather than support spanish democracy
humanityfirstnow 3 years ago
Not true. Franco was recognised only AFTER the demose of the Republic. Look up XV International brigade, Made up of Frenchmen, Englishmen, and American voluteers.
TroupeDeMarine 2 years ago
I dont get the point you are trying to make. The British and French governments recognised Franco rather than democratic rule period and certainly did not support the volunteers of the 15th international brigade, they made their own way there.
By the way compared with the 1500 or so Brits 10,000 germans fought for the republic in the CNT POUM and Communist Party
humanityfirstnow 2 years ago
Our problem was the cowards nations in europe, did not help us, and then they paid with the second world war.The war front was steady while the anarchist were in control, after the traitors communist were in power everything went down, the popular army (controled by the russian communist) was a disaster for our war and revolution. But one day we will win.
ASJUNCIAS78 3 years ago
fuck anarchism
chelives3289 3 years ago
Communism- the False Prophet. Thank God it is being eradicated.
ZEDSTODT 3 years ago
great documentary
albatrossyglossy 3 years ago
Better a Communist then a fascist
robertrulebirtannia 3 years ago 10
what is the difference?
pr0evolution 3 years ago
read a Dictionary
robertrulebirtannia 3 years ago
better an anarchist than either
Eldritchard 3 years ago 17
communism fascism at some stage they all seem to be the same
grantourismo0109 3 years ago
@robertrulebirtannia Should go without saying, so long as you are of sound mental health and respect humanity.
AnthemicPolemic 1 year ago
@AnthemicPolemic that goes without saying
robertrulebirtannia 1 year ago
@robertrulebirtannia Better Anarchist than Communist
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@robertrulebirtannia YEAH, BETTER DEAD THAN FASCIST!
Tonypikmin 1 year ago
Reading most comments adds to the fact that legend overcomes fact on your minds. You say things that wouldn´t pass any serious analiys, based only on others oppinions but, again not on facts.
There is much emotional hijacking about this part of history, but truth will conquer its way through the ruins of wary theories demolished by facts.
Stay tuned
lopeibnmusa 3 years ago 2
Tells nothing on your objectivism to deliver the same common stands held for decades without taking into account facts that counter the version given here.
You see I do not take sides, but simply denounce the general lack of information that shapes the state o generally accepted oppinion.
This work would not stand any serious and scientific confrontation with facts.
I am sorry to say so, but facts are facts.
lopeibnmusa 3 years ago
Never heard more half truths and lies about the Spanish Civil war.
Absolutely biassed work you see right here.
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narusuka 3 years ago
"historian", the Church had looted the people for centuries to build and furnish its churches. It supported oppressive regimes.
It you knew anything about the war, you would know that Franco massacred many times more people than the Republican side. Franco also started the terror bombing of civilians in cities.
For a "historian" you give a one-sided propaganda view. No reason to take you seriously. You also seem to be a Catholic fanatic.
randall2020 3 years ago 5
Why do you hate Catholics?
NastevilsBack 3 years ago
Yes but no one is without their crimes! Communist USSR = 20 million dead Soviets. Communist China = hard to count but roughly the same. 1st Paris commune = around 2 - 3000 dead/injured
TroupeDeMarine 2 years ago
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These videos are just propaganda. Not a word about the communists raping, murdering and plundering.
Does anyone else see the hypocricy here? Americans and Brits love to talk of the horror of Guernica and the Blitz on London and yet they both committed far larger atrocities in Germany.
Franco was too merciful on this scum. Viva Franco!
serverfix 3 years ago
ok, I will do more studying before I Blurt out insults, sorry I didn't know much on the subject.
neurochris 3 years ago
serverfix, it is nice to see neo-nazis like you expose themselves. The Spanish Republican Government was the democratic government of Spain.
You are obviously an American Republican.
randall2020 3 years ago 3
Neo-Nazi? Republican? Wrong on both accounts. If you want a clue to my affiliation-check out my channel.
I am an historian and all I care about in regards to this video, is the FACTS. The facts in this case is long list of crimes against humanity commited by the 'Democratic' Republic of Spain.
Even Hemingway, who was there on the Republican side, recorded their atrocities. My advice to you is to stop drinking the kool-aid.
serverfix 3 years ago
Oh yeah, a "historian" like you sticks to the facts, like "Franco was too merciful on this scum. Viva Franco!"
The Republican side did not start the war, it was the fascist criminal Franco who did. Your hero.
randall2020 3 years ago 4
The 'republican' (Communists) attacked the Church, anyone who knows anything of Spain, knows that that will never be tolerated. They proceeded to kill priests, rape and kill nuns, burn churchs, not forgetting to loot them of any valuables first and then they moved on to shop-keepers, teachers and many others. They were scum and Franco was too merciful on them. Read a history book once in a while, it will do you good.
serverfix 3 years ago
"i am an historian and all i care about in regards to this video, is the FACTS" ... "franco was too merciful on this scum. viva franco" ... im sure from such a removed position your 'historical conclusions' are completely unbias. yawn.
Fact: Franco started the war against the elected government. all blood, left or right wing, is on his hands.
urtwistinmymelonman 3 years ago
Fact is that the socalled elected goverment couldn't control the anarchist and communist who were murdering nationalist, monarchist, catholic clerics and nuns in socalled goverment controlled cities. Franco's uprising was caused by that!.
wijse 3 years ago
when a country is continually shackled and denied democracy by a monarchy-backed hierarchial-clergy then what exactly did you think was going to happen? the people saw the church as the oppressor and hundreds of years of this crap was unleashed on them for 4 years
clergymen were sided with the nationalists, fascists, scum (whatever you want to call them) They did not believe in freedom, and they helped shelter and support the right's military invasion. of course this doesnt justify rape
TheFodman 3 years ago
i dont know the exact term for it but 78% of spains land was held by around 3% of the population which was the church and the crown. this pretty much locked the people in a state of serfdom just like in russia.
nemesixsixsix 3 years ago
and what exactly do you mean by 'so-called' elected government?
spain got the chance to vote for a democratically-elected government for the first time in its history and they voted left. Franco didn't like it and threw his toys out of his bloody pram
TheFodman 3 years ago 2
He was a militarist and had the power to screw it up, thus he did! Its not the elected government's fault.
TroupeDeMarine 2 years ago
who's he? Franco? Franco's mistake was to be born if anything.
ramberghini 2 years ago 4
I agree comrade.
MacTire06 3 years ago
fuck u franco!
neurochris 3 years ago
Viva Franco!
Muerte a los rojo y anarquista todos!
serverfix 3 years ago
fuck u franco!
neurochris 3 years ago
nazis hijosdeputa motherfuckers pigs fascist
hardmachine01 3 years ago
nazis hijosdeputa motherfuckers pigs fascist
hardmachine01 3 years ago
NO PASARIN
hungryasshit 3 years ago
nur merkwürdig dass ich roman herzog offiziell bei der spanischen regierung für das verhalten von deutschland entschuldigen musste !
Vicente2782 3 years ago
Sowas machen Politiker halt, um dem gastgeber honig ums Maul zu schmieren, wenn dafür lukrative Verträge zu erwarten sind.
ichmalealsobinich 3 years ago
falls du es nicht raffst.... das deutsche hurensohn-pack hat in spanien kriegsverbrechen begangen und gegen das völkerrecht verstoßen !
Vicente2782 3 years ago
Vicente schau mal auf den unteren Kommentar. Und lies mal K. Rings Werk über die Legion Condor, bevor du hier andere dumm anmachst. Ich zumindest hab hier die Quellen vorliegen u.a. auch Artikel zur Genfer Konvention.
ichmalealsobinich 3 years ago
Whas für einen verlogenen Scheiß erzählt dieser Plumpuddingfresser da? Tieffliegerangriffe auf die Zivilisten in Guernica hats nie gegeben und es sind auch keine 1000 ums Leben gekommen!
ichmalealsobinich 3 years ago
bist du irgendwie geisteskrank? wenn man keine ahnung hat fresse halten du nazischwein !
Vicente2782 3 years ago
Sprichst du von dir selbst, oder? Ich halte mich jedenfalls an die Fakten und Quellen, u.a. an Werken von Hans Ring, Karl Ries (Legion Condor) und J. Piekalkowic. Aber für dich Linksautonomen sind das vermutlich alles Nazi-revisionisten, selbst wenn sie wie letzterer damals im Widerstand gegen die Nazis gekämpft haben.
ichmalealsobinich 3 years ago
¡arriba franco cabrones!
muerte a los traidores
alfonso22espana 4 years ago
Both sides forget many facts. The Republic bears responsibility for the murder of Calvo Sotelo by the Assault Guards. This act gave the Nationalists crediblity and middle class support. Forgotten too is the Falange program of social reform in redistribution of land, rights for labor, and social justice. Almost 60 years after the war, the underlying hatreds continue unabated.
boazrg 4 years ago 2
bastard gay
Raycogb 4 years ago
A sad tale, this war - the Spanish Communist Party sabotaged the Republics own efforts far better than any agents of Franco could've managed. With allies like that, who needs enemies.
La Pasionaria was a truly evil witch with a silver tongue. But then as she was buddies with Stalin this shouldn't surprise anyone.
EUBanana 4 years ago
She was the whore of Stalin and if the communists had won Spain would have been devastated and would have looked like an Eastern European country after the fall of communists when the berlin wall fell down.
wijse 3 years ago
fuck nazism spanish civil war was a chanse for free society with no church capitalism or state worker self menagment and solidarity toke over... if the nais didnt bomb who knows.. maybe the world woud now be united hum,an and worker brotherhood triumfing over the ruins of all states!!!!
nazibreaker 4 years ago 12
you sound like you believe in communism
well well what a romantic idealist wake up and stop dreaming
communism is nothing but a power game to control the masses as nazism was.
by the way dont ever forget that the real communist are and were in the USA .you see one always learns something in life.
pk031664 4 years ago
What's wrong with capitalism?
gn0m1k 3 years ago
Guernica,is proved, has been a mystification from both side. Nowaday we know that it was only propaganda. The fake republican regime was abettor of the killers of the opposition's leader Calvo Sotelo, that crime led to the insurrection of the army. The truth must be respected.
sciautereb 4 years ago
The Germans liked killing people for no good reason.
Steadno 4 years ago
what about the russians
pk031664 4 years ago
Well, what about all States...they have the monopoly of armed violence. The people are at the mercy of those with the guns and the power. How long will we accept this?
As Jim Morrison said:
They got the guns
But we got the numbers
Gonna win, yeah
We're takin' over
Come on!
OttOmOlOtOv 4 years ago
by the way
most leaders of the USA today are probably from from russia
they are not indians my friend and less and less british
so you see your idea of of the USA is based on hollywood
there no sense of what so ever on what you are saying.
if you are a communist you should know better
who financed communism on the first day that was: the
USA if you dont believe me just search in google and you find all imformation you need.
pk031664 4 years ago
Or the Americans who still kill people for no good reason to this day.
dawnrun911 4 years ago 2
for no good reason ?
they are in iraq for the fucking oil that,s the only reason and some of those soldiers are mexicans and blacks who would do anything for the mooooneyyyy!!!
maybe you are right thats no good reason to kill innocent humans .
pk031664 4 years ago
fuck the civil war
paulkelly64 4 years ago
My grand father fought against fascism and tradicional church and latifundist wich control many chief in the army, Aznar and the right party repesent the past, and the delay of thinking in my country. They arrive to the government just at the moment when european economy began to growth, they didn´t make any special, they only repesent misery of the past long live socialism, United States need social democracy.
ForoSabino 4 years ago 5
Zapatero's current government is benefiting from the economic situation left by the government of the Popular Party of Aznar. It's a fact, at least in Spain, that centre-right PP manages the economic issues much better. As an example: the former Minister of Financial Affairs, Rodrigo Rato, has been working as head of the International Monetary Fund since he left the government.
expeliarmo 4 years ago
@expeliarmo Yeah, and they are all a bunch of bankrupters, that steal public founds for buy suits, cars, buildings...
babehunter1324 1 month ago
People could have elected a right-wing party for the government in the next elections, if they really wanted a change.
But currently, Spain has a socialist government. Spain has had more socialist than right-wing governments after the death of Franco. But the fact is: when Spain has a socialist government, the economy goes down. It has happened with all socialist governments so far.
expeliarmo 4 years ago
It's a pity... Spain was completely devastated, and due to the fact that Franco won the war, it was left outside the Marshall Plan (it was the only non-communist country left aside). I think the UK and France should have done something, perhaps if they had entered the war, just as Germany and Italy entered in the fascist side, the Republic could have won the war. And I don't really think the Republic was a good government, but a coup d'etat is not the way to act in politics.
expeliarmo 4 years ago
Muy buena
melouski 4 years ago
Except that the republicans were controlled by communists and anarchist, who had turned it into a stalin controlled country and killed all the republicans if they had won the war. England and France were as worried as Franco about the revolutions and red uprisings in their own countries. They
wijse 3 years ago
the anarchists hated stalin as much as any capitalist.
spain would have differed from the state-capitalist countries in eastern europe as Spain's revolution was not a military coup (which was what happened when the Bolsheviks took power in 1917) - spain was a revolution from the bottom-up by anarcho-syndicalists. the stalinists screwed things up for the anarcho-syndicalist movement by constantly undermining it
TheFodman 3 years ago 2
Barcelona, the first time in history that civilians were sitematically attacked, demoralizing its population. It was started February the 13th 1937, by a Mussolini war ship called Eugeni de Saboya. The big essay for the Second World War.
histocat 4 years ago
Fuck Anarchism, Socialism, Communism and Fascism, all the same shit and don´t make me belive that republicans were "poor and inocent people" and nationals were the "bads", Spanish people didn´t choose that war so don´t fuck me with your shit ideas of anarchism
1986Mitfahrer 4 years ago
¿Pozo usted ahora tiene un gobierno socialista e hizo en los años 80, él no es así que el malo es él?
wildbillcleveland 4 years ago
¿Qué? No entiendo nada
1986Mitfahrer 4 years ago