Just no power and crispness in the majority of these punches. Slow, and completely ineffective. That sensei looks like he could hit like a ton of bricks but these students look like they hit like my grandma and she's been dead for 3 years. The sensei is sweating harder than all of these scrubs..
@MRmamalon666 y me dices ofnesivo a mi, jajajajjajaj, mira no digas tonterias y supera las verdades que te dije, si te interesa sino pues haya tú. Cultivate, sal de tu casa pequeño agorafóbico, chavo esfuerzate no hay superación sin esfuerzo, venga echale ganas y ya no molestes bye,
Ya gotta feel for the sensei and the students in this class. They've paid to have an 8th dan come over from JKA for a seminar. When he gets there, he realises everyone in the class has a black belt and most of them have bad basic technique. Its not their fault I guess, they didnt teach themselves and they didnt award themselves black belts. This 8th dan has no choice but to drill the crap out of their basics despite probably wanting to move onto kata etc
So instead of arguing about what martial art is better, or how these students are "bad". Lets just agree that everyone who is on a path or "way" are on that path to better themselves.. Be it physically or mentally. And there are two types of people who take martial arts too. There are those taking it for a hobby, and there isn't anything wrong with it. Then there are people who make it apart of their lives. Both are great things and we shouldn't quarrel about silly nonsense.
And as for the "bunkai" of kata, every instructor is different. the kata meaning that I learn from my sensei is different from what others learn from their instructors. and sadly to say this, but when there are seminars like this from visiting sensei, they spoil American students and take it easy on them. I've seen this with Kendo and Iaido as well it is not just karate. But they do not train you hard unless you demand it.
Even though wannabeebee is arguing a lot with other people on these videos, he does have one valid point. You must hit something. That is why makiwara, and heavy bag hitting is very important. So you know how it feels to hit something and your techniques have power behind them. It also shows through your kata, a lot of karate ka (in America) look like they are swimming in the air with their techniques, and they have no power behind it...
why do you guys bother so much about how Shotokan practice kihon over and over again? even though they do advanced techniques, it still looks kihon to me. Karate's waza is all about kihon and basic, they focus on perfection of all basics since that what karate is all about. That's why karateka learn other stuffs like aikido, judo, etc.
THE BASICS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS!!! I'm a 1st kyu and we do alot of kihon. But when our sensei does a REAL basic training (oi zuki in two counts etc) he still can correct anybody in class. A karateka strives for perfection, but since nobody's perfect you have to do the same things over and over again.
When you're a shodan, you'll still do a lot of kihon. When you're a nidan, you'll still do a lot of kihon. Same for sandan, same for yondan....basics, basics, basics. I started in Isshin-ryu at age 14, went over to Shotokan at 18, and now, in my mid fifties, I'm still doing kihon. Maybe someday I'll get a decent maegeri or oizuki. Then again...keep at it. You're on the right path.
I totally agree with you. The more you practice the basics the more you understand how powerful it is. Ultimately, this understanding only applies when you reach the more advanced stages of training and you realize you don't need the more "fancy" moves.
listen fool I have train in wado ryu and Goju ryu since twelve, by the time I earned my brown belt, these basic techniques were already became second to nature! and of even shodan to juudan should always train basic techniques.
listen fool I have train in wado ryu and Goju ryu since twelve, by the time I earned my brown belt, these basic techniques were already became second to nature! and of even shodan to juudan should always train basic techniques.
what i think is when u finally reach black belt that is when u need to start perfecting all the move u learn. in order to move ont he second degree. black belt only shows that u have learn all the move just need to work on them.
being a Black Belt Karateka is not an end. Rather, it's just a beginning. In fact, I think their training is really great. As for self defense, I bet they went through a lot of hardships and they have the proper mentality to take care of themselves when the real fight comes. What westerners don't understand is that patience is very important, that's why their skills suck. Man it's really good to be asian!
lol Shin, but honestly I don't think it's a matter of being asian :-) I just think it's the mentality that's different. I've seen western training focus on the height of the kick for instance, while Japanese instructors will focus on the ankle that's on the ground and proper hip rotation.
Its funy to see them repeat the same over and over again; eventhough that, I think that if you want to learn a martial art, Karate, you'll have to repeat the basics over and over until you do it virtually perfect and after that you'll learn advanced stuff; that is many many years...on the other hand if you just want to be capable of defend yourself in a street fight once in your life you better learn some self-defense techniques and thats all.
Many of the comments are contradictory. Many comments are saying that these students are not good and what is the point in all the basics. The reason the level is low is because these students are practicing fancy techniques on a regular basis and neglecting basics. If this class practiced like this every week they would be fantastic. However they are not and that is why many people think they "suck". If you cannot do basics then how can you possibly do anything fancier?
This training is excellent!! Mr Yano is fantastic. The reason he is putting this class through all this kihon is because he wants their Karate to improve. I cant understand comments that say he is just torturing them. He is drilling neccesarry basics into them. This is kindness. Teachers who quickly go on to teach fancy moves are obviously not aware of what is important for their students. They are just worried about losing students. I would love to join this class.
how do you get your sensei to move on to other stuff? you do what he wants you to do until you do it right. obviously these black belts are not doing it right, based on the number of corrections he makes.
but you have a point, at some point you need to move on to other things.
how can they defend themselves in a fight if all they learn is the same stuff over and over again? the sensei must be frustrated because they cannot do even a simple basic technique correctly and are black belts???>duh?
Even if they did not "suck" (which I agree many, but not all blackbelts shown here do), they should still make doing the basic kihon a priority. Westerners just love so much to do the fancy stuff instead, so tehir basic kihon never really improves.
how did these folks get their black belts? they don't even execute basic forms correctly. Over and over, sensei tells them to put power in their punches.
Just no power and crispness in the majority of these punches. Slow, and completely ineffective. That sensei looks like he could hit like a ton of bricks but these students look like they hit like my grandma and she's been dead for 3 years. The sensei is sweating harder than all of these scrubs..
bwconklin 1 year ago
@MRmamalon666 como dije no molestes, y en lo demás lo dudo, pero bueno haya tú suerte.
zenkenshu 1 year ago
@MRmamalon666 y me dices ofnesivo a mi, jajajajjajaj, mira no digas tonterias y supera las verdades que te dije, si te interesa sino pues haya tú. Cultivate, sal de tu casa pequeño agorafóbico, chavo esfuerzate no hay superación sin esfuerzo, venga echale ganas y ya no molestes bye,
zenkenshu 1 year ago
I practise goju ry, but this videos are very beautifuls, congratullatios. This ist the really JKA karate. Gut luck arigato
zenkenshu 1 year ago
Ya gotta feel for the sensei and the students in this class. They've paid to have an 8th dan come over from JKA for a seminar. When he gets there, he realises everyone in the class has a black belt and most of them have bad basic technique. Its not their fault I guess, they didnt teach themselves and they didnt award themselves black belts. This 8th dan has no choice but to drill the crap out of their basics despite probably wanting to move onto kata etc
sirsmokealotz 2 years ago 9
agree!
christianbrecht 2 years ago
So instead of arguing about what martial art is better, or how these students are "bad". Lets just agree that everyone who is on a path or "way" are on that path to better themselves.. Be it physically or mentally. And there are two types of people who take martial arts too. There are those taking it for a hobby, and there isn't anything wrong with it. Then there are people who make it apart of their lives. Both are great things and we shouldn't quarrel about silly nonsense.
Osu
shotokanshdn 2 years ago 5
but they should work harder
jiggahippo 2 years ago
And as for the "bunkai" of kata, every instructor is different. the kata meaning that I learn from my sensei is different from what others learn from their instructors. and sadly to say this, but when there are seminars like this from visiting sensei, they spoil American students and take it easy on them. I've seen this with Kendo and Iaido as well it is not just karate. But they do not train you hard unless you demand it.
shotokanshdn 2 years ago
Even though wannabeebee is arguing a lot with other people on these videos, he does have one valid point. You must hit something. That is why makiwara, and heavy bag hitting is very important. So you know how it feels to hit something and your techniques have power behind them. It also shows through your kata, a lot of karate ka (in America) look like they are swimming in the air with their techniques, and they have no power behind it...
shotokanshdn 2 years ago
why do you guys bother so much about how Shotokan practice kihon over and over again? even though they do advanced techniques, it still looks kihon to me. Karate's waza is all about kihon and basic, they focus on perfection of all basics since that what karate is all about. That's why karateka learn other stuffs like aikido, judo, etc.
rizalzenbudo 2 years ago
this is my next martial arts style i`m gonna learn
ilovejapan888 2 years ago
@ilovejapan888 what were the ones before ?
xMOONxKNIGHTx 1 year ago
is the karate instructer like 75 years old?
cpisretartedmuch 2 years ago
"Moving on beyond kihon"? What a silly idea...
mallardgreen 3 years ago
agree! kihon is everything really. seriously.
christianbrecht 2 years ago
THE BASICS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS!!! I'm a 1st kyu and we do alot of kihon. But when our sensei does a REAL basic training (oi zuki in two counts etc) he still can correct anybody in class. A karateka strives for perfection, but since nobody's perfect you have to do the same things over and over again.
Roronoanne 3 years ago 2
When you're a shodan, you'll still do a lot of kihon. When you're a nidan, you'll still do a lot of kihon. Same for sandan, same for yondan....basics, basics, basics. I started in Isshin-ryu at age 14, went over to Shotokan at 18, and now, in my mid fifties, I'm still doing kihon. Maybe someday I'll get a decent maegeri or oizuki. Then again...keep at it. You're on the right path.
mallardgreen 3 years ago 3
You are sooo right! OSS!
rw1601 2 years ago
HAHAHAHAHA!!! good call.
farorin 3 years ago
The emphasis seems to be on strong, driving power.
Strider1978 3 years ago
@kilter99:
I totally agree with you. The more you practice the basics the more you understand how powerful it is. Ultimately, this understanding only applies when you reach the more advanced stages of training and you realize you don't need the more "fancy" moves.
balrais 3 years ago
listen fool I have train in wado ryu and Goju ryu since twelve, by the time I earned my brown belt, these basic techniques were already became second to nature! and of even shodan to juudan should always train basic techniques.
PakDaeHan 4 years ago
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brown belt fails asshole get black
cpisretartedmuch 2 years ago
listen fool I have train in wado ryu and Goju ryu since twelve, by the time I earned my brown belt, these basic techniques were already became second to nature! and of even shodan to juudan should always train basic techniques.
PakDaeHan 4 years ago
what i think is when u finally reach black belt that is when u need to start perfecting all the move u learn. in order to move ont he second degree. black belt only shows that u have learn all the move just need to work on them.
GhostDotClear 4 years ago
being a Black Belt Karateka is not an end. Rather, it's just a beginning. In fact, I think their training is really great. As for self defense, I bet they went through a lot of hardships and they have the proper mentality to take care of themselves when the real fight comes. What westerners don't understand is that patience is very important, that's why their skills suck. Man it's really good to be asian!
ShinSuperSaiyajin 4 years ago 2
lol Shin, but honestly I don't think it's a matter of being asian :-) I just think it's the mentality that's different. I've seen western training focus on the height of the kick for instance, while Japanese instructors will focus on the ankle that's on the ground and proper hip rotation.
balrais 3 years ago
Its funy to see them repeat the same over and over again; eventhough that, I think that if you want to learn a martial art, Karate, you'll have to repeat the basics over and over until you do it virtually perfect and after that you'll learn advanced stuff; that is many many years...on the other hand if you just want to be capable of defend yourself in a street fight once in your life you better learn some self-defense techniques and thats all.
25500 4 years ago
very good
tiozzostefano1 4 years ago
Many of the comments are contradictory. Many comments are saying that these students are not good and what is the point in all the basics. The reason the level is low is because these students are practicing fancy techniques on a regular basis and neglecting basics. If this class practiced like this every week they would be fantastic. However they are not and that is why many people think they "suck". If you cannot do basics then how can you possibly do anything fancier?
mrc768203 4 years ago
This training is excellent!! Mr Yano is fantastic. The reason he is putting this class through all this kihon is because he wants their Karate to improve. I cant understand comments that say he is just torturing them. He is drilling neccesarry basics into them. This is kindness. Teachers who quickly go on to teach fancy moves are obviously not aware of what is important for their students. They are just worried about losing students. I would love to join this class.
mrc768203 4 years ago
they cannot do anything else because he burns them out by doing the same thing over and over and over!
PakDaeHan 4 years ago
how do you get your sensei to move on to other stuff? you do what he wants you to do until you do it right. obviously these black belts are not doing it right, based on the number of corrections he makes.
but you have a point, at some point you need to move on to other things.
eml666eml 4 years ago
how can they defend themselves in a fight if all they learn is the same stuff over and over again? the sensei must be frustrated because they cannot do even a simple basic technique correctly and are black belts???>duh?
PakDaeHan 4 years ago
Even if they did not "suck" (which I agree many, but not all blackbelts shown here do), they should still make doing the basic kihon a priority. Westerners just love so much to do the fancy stuff instead, so tehir basic kihon never really improves.
christianbrecht 4 years ago
they just do not understand him.
or maybe, like you, they think they know kihon.
Shotokan is all kihon, in real fight you maybe can use 10% of the techiques you know.
if you do the kihon ok you will easily apply the knowledge and experiance on everything else.
msbuca 4 years ago
how did these folks get their black belts? they don't even execute basic forms correctly. Over and over, sensei tells them to put power in their punches.
co596 4 years ago
I totally agree?? how the hell did they get their black belts?
PakDaeHan 4 years ago