Love all your vids, but especially the Goju ones. My Goju Sensie also is also well trained in tai chi and puts huge emphasis on sensitivity drills. Thankyou.
Nice drill try to remain with your arms closer to your body so as to not be isolated when doing the exercise statically tnen the body is never out of equilibrium keep up the good work.
when your both practising, and trying to feel out an imbalance or opportunity-easily one of the most tiring training techniques! So good for getting that instant response to an incoming technique (In my opinion), as you can practise these drill blindfolded from the sensitivity you gain. Also really good for misdirecting and opening up counters/locks etc
My previous comments outline my theory as to the origins of Tensho and its relationship to the Tou'on Ryu drill "Rokkishu". It is a theory because there is so little surviving "proof" of anything. If Miyagi occasionally referred to Tensho by the name "Rokkishu/Rokushu" that might prove that he used 2 names for his form. It wouldn't "prove" anything else to me. If you are satisfied that it proves the pre-existence of a Chinese form "Rokushu" you are entitled to your opinion.
Well said. No offence meant. Have you seen that the Tensho or Rokushu kata is a series of wristlock escape techniques? Check out ko-do ryu. Your flow technique is on the right path to the kata's more logical bunkai.
I have seen the ko-do ryu videos and I am quite impressed. I am not surprised that tensho techniques are capable of being used for wristlock techniques. However I don't think this is their primary interpretation. It seems to me atemi and gyaku waza (both offensive and defensive) share the same biodynamics. Wrist escapes are therefore just one of many valid applications, in my opinion. Thank you for your input.
A very commendable effort! I enjoyed it, thank you for sharing. As a former Karateka I went on to study WC (which I now teach) and have an avid interest in the Various crane Lineages. Although the structure is slightly different , this is quite similar to Chi sau especially the early prototypes as taught in Guondong. IMHO this the the best effort I have seen at returing Kakie to it's chinese influence and intent. Best of luck to you on your Journey!
My pleasure. Most of the efforts I have seen are either two mechanical or to strength and muscle driven misunderstanding the purpose. As I know you probably get far more critizism then compliment, I thought you were do one! Don't let anyone discourage you! Best Wishes.
Tensho (or Rokushu) is a wrist-lock escape kata. It traces six hand positions (which have received animal names) and shows how to escape from grips. Check out ko-do ryu on this site.
In my view most deflections can be utilised as lock escapes simply because of shared biodynamics. Tensho and Rokkishu (the 6 hand positions in the Bubishi) don't appear to me to be at all related.
It is common knowledge that Miyagi Chojun based his Tensho kata on Rokushu. He is also responsible for a closed-fist Sanchin (although there are many Sanchins in China) having seen the Uechi/ openhand (read sai) version first.
Have a look at the ko-do ryu / zen shorin do clubs with their rokushu applications and see what you think.
It is commonly said that Tensho is related to Rokkishu. However there is nothing to support this (if by Rokkishu you mean the 6 hand positions in the Bubishi). Take a look at researcher Mario McKenna's blog on this subject.
I am not aware that Rokushu, a Chinese form features in the Bubishi. Does this prove that Japan/Okinawa modified a Chinese form?
Allegedly Miyagi studied Rokushu quan from 1917 to 1921, having maybe learnt some parts from Higaonna. The 6 vital techniques of Rokushu are NOT missing from Tensho, the kata which he later taught in Goju.
Kogyu Tasaki said that tensho was referred to as Rokushu as late as 1929.
I am not aware of any Chinese form called Rokushu. The Bubishi features 6 hand shapes/positions called by that name (more commonly Romanized as "Rokkishu"). Miyagi did learn some white crane from his mate Gokenki, but his Tensho looks more like Yong Chun Baihe Quan sanzhan (sanchin) than what survives of Gokenki's forms.
In my view Tensho is probably a combination of stray techniques Miyagi learned from Kanryo Higaonna and from the Kojo dojo in Fuzhou. The name "Rokkishu" appears to have been erroneously associated with Tensho after Miyagi created the kata.
You will note from Mario McKenna's blog that Tou'on Ryu's "Rokkishu" drill (featuring both the rising AND horizontal ko uke and shotei uke) is part of Miyagi's tensho (some versions change the hand shape a little). This might suggest that this portion was taught to Miyagi by Kanryo Higaonna.
Mario's relevant blog entries are okinawakarateblog dot blogspotdotcom/2006_06_01_archivedothtml and okinawakarateblogdotblogspotdotcom/2006/08/little-more-on-tensho-and-rokkishudothtml.
great video, but look some what like wing chun chi sao. If someone added wing chun sticky legs and wing chun wooden dummy training to goju ryu they wood have an unstopable style
Indeed - in our school we supplement our goju training with a variety of techniques including the Wing Chun "Muk Yan Chong" or wooden dummy drills. However while the above kakie has some common elements with Wing Chun (as do Yong Chun and other white crane schools) I don't think these techniques are directly comparable.
Great instruction. Would be nice to slow it down at first so we can study movement.
theinein 4 months ago
This is still one of my favorite videos on youtube.
Shinkyu42 1 year ago
This is still one of my favorite videos on youtube.
Ronin6575 1 year ago
Love all your vids, but especially the Goju ones. My Goju Sensie also is also well trained in tai chi and puts huge emphasis on sensitivity drills. Thankyou.
SuperUnbeliever 2 years ago
Thank you very much for your kind words.
dandjurdjevic 2 years ago
I have been taught the application of Tensho kata once. This video is a good guideline in understanding the application of Tensho.
SithV1 2 years ago
is like chisao of wing chun!!! great!!
sombras1981 3 years ago 2
i dont like the way he is leaning in
chiens 3 years ago
Nice drill try to remain with your arms closer to your body so as to not be isolated when doing the exercise statically tnen the body is never out of equilibrium keep up the good work.
ozhungga 3 years ago
fix the link in the info, parentheses needs to be seperated from the address.
RUSEMANE 3 years ago
that's Tommy Carruthers!!!!! :D
tigre777blanco 3 years ago
Sorry - it's me, not Tommy.
dandjurdjevic 3 years ago
when your both practising, and trying to feel out an imbalance or opportunity-easily one of the most tiring training techniques! So good for getting that instant response to an incoming technique (In my opinion), as you can practise these drill blindfolded from the sensitivity you gain. Also really good for misdirecting and opening up counters/locks etc
umjabbawonga 3 years ago
whats the point of these drills?
whoareyou2009 4 years ago
They are predominantly for hand sensitivity training (touch sensitivity to direction changes by your opponent).
dandjurdjevic 4 years ago
Rokushu is tensho; miyagi used the first name as a reference for tensho; surely that is proof enough.
gaugustcrane 4 years ago
My previous comments outline my theory as to the origins of Tensho and its relationship to the Tou'on Ryu drill "Rokkishu". It is a theory because there is so little surviving "proof" of anything. If Miyagi occasionally referred to Tensho by the name "Rokkishu/Rokushu" that might prove that he used 2 names for his form. It wouldn't "prove" anything else to me. If you are satisfied that it proves the pre-existence of a Chinese form "Rokushu" you are entitled to your opinion.
dandjurdjevic 4 years ago
Well said. No offence meant. Have you seen that the Tensho or Rokushu kata is a series of wristlock escape techniques? Check out ko-do ryu. Your flow technique is on the right path to the kata's more logical bunkai.
gaugustcrane 4 years ago
I have seen the ko-do ryu videos and I am quite impressed. I am not surprised that tensho techniques are capable of being used for wristlock techniques. However I don't think this is their primary interpretation. It seems to me atemi and gyaku waza (both offensive and defensive) share the same biodynamics. Wrist escapes are therefore just one of many valid applications, in my opinion. Thank you for your input.
dandjurdjevic 4 years ago
it's nice to see people like yourself with an open mind to these kata.
gaugustcrane 4 years ago
A very commendable effort! I enjoyed it, thank you for sharing. As a former Karateka I went on to study WC (which I now teach) and have an avid interest in the Various crane Lineages. Although the structure is slightly different , this is quite similar to Chi sau especially the early prototypes as taught in Guondong. IMHO this the the best effort I have seen at returing Kakie to it's chinese influence and intent. Best of luck to you on your Journey!
Gwohsau 4 years ago
Thank you for those kind remarks.
dandjurdjevic 4 years ago
My pleasure. Most of the efforts I have seen are either two mechanical or to strength and muscle driven misunderstanding the purpose. As I know you probably get far more critizism then compliment, I thought you were do one! Don't let anyone discourage you! Best Wishes.
Gwohsau 4 years ago
Tensho (or Rokushu) is a wrist-lock escape kata. It traces six hand positions (which have received animal names) and shows how to escape from grips. Check out ko-do ryu on this site.
gaugustcrane 4 years ago
In my view most deflections can be utilised as lock escapes simply because of shared biodynamics. Tensho and Rokkishu (the 6 hand positions in the Bubishi) don't appear to me to be at all related.
dandjurdjevic 4 years ago
It is common knowledge that Miyagi Chojun based his Tensho kata on Rokushu. He is also responsible for a closed-fist Sanchin (although there are many Sanchins in China) having seen the Uechi/ openhand (read sai) version first.
Have a look at the ko-do ryu / zen shorin do clubs with their rokushu applications and see what you think.
gaugustcrane 4 years ago
It is commonly said that Tensho is related to Rokkishu. However there is nothing to support this (if by Rokkishu you mean the 6 hand positions in the Bubishi). Take a look at researcher Mario McKenna's blog on this subject.
dandjurdjevic 4 years ago
I am not aware that Rokushu, a Chinese form features in the Bubishi. Does this prove that Japan/Okinawa modified a Chinese form?
Allegedly Miyagi studied Rokushu quan from 1917 to 1921, having maybe learnt some parts from Higaonna. The 6 vital techniques of Rokushu are NOT missing from Tensho, the kata which he later taught in Goju.
Kogyu Tasaki said that tensho was referred to as Rokushu as late as 1929.
gaugustcrane 4 years ago
I am not aware of any Chinese form called Rokushu. The Bubishi features 6 hand shapes/positions called by that name (more commonly Romanized as "Rokkishu"). Miyagi did learn some white crane from his mate Gokenki, but his Tensho looks more like Yong Chun Baihe Quan sanzhan (sanchin) than what survives of Gokenki's forms.
dandjurdjevic 4 years ago
In my view Tensho is probably a combination of stray techniques Miyagi learned from Kanryo Higaonna and from the Kojo dojo in Fuzhou. The name "Rokkishu" appears to have been erroneously associated with Tensho after Miyagi created the kata.
dandjurdjevic 4 years ago
You will note from Mario McKenna's blog that Tou'on Ryu's "Rokkishu" drill (featuring both the rising AND horizontal ko uke and shotei uke) is part of Miyagi's tensho (some versions change the hand shape a little). This might suggest that this portion was taught to Miyagi by Kanryo Higaonna.
dandjurdjevic 4 years ago
Mario's relevant blog entries are okinawakarateblog dot blogspotdotcom/2006_06_01_archivedothtml and okinawakarateblogdotblogspotdotcom/2006/08/little-more-on-tensho-and-rokkishudothtml.
dandjurdjevic 4 years ago
great video, but look some what like wing chun chi sao. If someone added wing chun sticky legs and wing chun wooden dummy training to goju ryu they wood have an unstopable style
yungizz3000 4 years ago
Indeed - in our school we supplement our goju training with a variety of techniques including the Wing Chun "Muk Yan Chong" or wooden dummy drills. However while the above kakie has some common elements with Wing Chun (as do Yong Chun and other white crane schools) I don't think these techniques are directly comparable.
dandjurdjevic 4 years ago